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Starting Pitchers (5)
$10,000,000 Hiroki Kuroda
*$475,000 Chad Billingsley
*$415,000 Clayton Kershaw
*$405,000 Eric Stults
*$400,000 James McDonald
*Total: $11,695,000

Bullpen (7)
*$2,500,000 Takashi Saito
*$1,300,000 Scott Proctor
*$1,500,000 Jonathan Broxton
*$425,000 Hong-Chih Kuo
*$420,000 Cory Wade
*$410,000 Ramon Troncoso
*$400,000 Scott Elbert
Total: $6,955,000

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Yhency Brazoban
Greg Miller
Justin Orenduff

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$17,100,000 Andruw Jones
*$3,000,000 Russell Martin
*$2,500,000 Andre Ethier
*$600,000 Matt Kemp
*$600,000 James Loney
*$500,000 Angel Berroa
*$410,000 Blake DeWitt
*$400,000 Tony Abreu
Total: $25,110,000

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$10,000,000 Juan Pierre
*$600,000 Jason Repko
*$410,000 Delwyn Young
*$400,000 Danny Ardoin
*$400,000 Chin-Lung Hu
Total: $11,810,000
Note: Team can buy out Ozuna's 2009 option for $200,000

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Lucas May
Xavier Paul

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$12,000,000 Jason Schmidt

Also Paying ...
$2,000,000 Brad Penny (buyout of $9,000,000 option)
$50,000 Gary Bennett (buyout of $900,000 option)
Note: Kansas City is responsible for $500,000 buyout of Angel Berroa's $5,500,000 option for 2009.

Working total: *$68,020,000

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Top Dodger Tools (And I Mean That in the Good Way)
2008-05-30 08:19
by Jon Weisman

This is tangentially inspired by Joe Posnanski's latest post. What do you think are the best tools in the Dodger organization? Clayton Kershaw's curveball, or Matt Kemp's speed, or Takashi Saito's smile, or what? Let's get a list.

Comments (246)
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2008-05-30 08:26:08
1.   ibleedbloo
Broxton's Fastball
Kemp's Speed (I think he is the best going 1st to 3rd on the team)
Martin's ability to walk
2008-05-30 08:29:52
2.   Eric Stephen
Repko's arm
Furcal's defense (& arm)
2008-05-30 08:29:58
3.   regfairfield
Loney's contact hitting
Broxton's fastball
Saito's slider
Bills/Kershaw's curve
Pierre's speed
Furcal's arm
LaRoche's patience
2008-05-30 08:31:00
4.   Inside Baseball
The dulcet tones of Vin Scully.
2008-05-30 08:33:21
5.   cargill06
3 speaking of loney, i think he's just so close to going on a tear.
2008-05-30 08:37:48
6.   Eric Stephen
Is it unrealistic that I expect Clayton Kershaw to go undefeated in his major league career?
2008-05-30 08:39:51
7.   D4P
I expect Clayton Kershaw to go undefeated in his major league career

Just like his presidential idol!

2008-05-30 08:42:02
8.   DodgerBlueBruce
Martin's durability.
2008-05-30 08:43:18
9.   Ken Noe
Ethier's resilience. Saito's character.

Off-topic, I have to recommend the latest posting on Cardboard Gods on one of my favorite books, Pat Jordan's A False Spring.

2008-05-30 08:44:19
10.   Eric Stephen
Scott Erickson's changeup.

What do you mean that's his fastball?

2008-05-30 08:54:22
11.   ToyCannon
Kuo's fastball to a lefty, looking Wagnerish to me
Kershaw's curveball
Russel Martins enthusiasm for playing the game.
DeWitt's ability to play a solid defensive 3rd base with stone hands. I would think they would break or the ball would bounce off them alot.
Andruw Jones ability to read where the ball is going when it is hit and his inability to read where the ball is going when it is pitched.
Juan Pierre's ability to convince the baseball establishment that because he's the hardest worker in baseball he deserves to play everyday on a major league team instead of doing what Doug Glanville does for a living.

Regarding the thread below I'll take the C Lee line. KC is in the depths of a huge offensive meltdown, and the Met's have David Wright.

2008-05-30 08:55:50
12.   PHilldodger
Jeff Kent's moustache
2008-05-30 08:56:04
13.   Disabled List
Derek Lowe.
2008-05-30 08:59:27
14.   fanerman
Andre Ethier's boyish good looks.
2008-05-30 08:59:46
15.   Eric Stephen
Just saw this cool organizational chart on Athletics Nation, courtesy of a link from Rob Neyer:

http://tinyurl.com/6dndgt

2008-05-30 09:01:22
16.   ImprobableImpossible
Bowa's helmet
Torre's brain (with memories provided by Penny and Lowe)
Beimel's hair
Ethier's face
Nomar's nose
Kent's mustache
DeWitt's sideburns
Vinny's voice
Saito's smile
Loney's necklace
Kershaw's left arm
Billingsley's right arm
Furcal's hands
Martin's heart
Andruw's belly
Broxton's thighs
Pierre's socks
Kemp's feet
2008-05-30 09:02:00
17.   cargill06
11 so like kershaw +2.5 something like that?
2008-05-30 09:04:01
18.   fanerman
16 All Loney contributes is his necklace? What about his crazy eyes?
2008-05-30 09:05:20
19.   the count
Lowe's sinker
Abreu's injury history
Torre's poker face
Colletti's mustache
Chan Ho Park's bow
2008-05-30 09:06:31
20.   fiddlestick
Brad Penny's contract
Brad Penny's girlfriends
2008-05-30 09:06:49
21.   arborial
19 I think Chan Ho Park's Flying Ninja Kick is definitely an 80
2008-05-30 09:08:49
22.   regfairfield
15 I did something like that for the Dodgers a while back, but without the draft pick compensation and the being good looking part.

http://images.truebluela.com/images/admin/Trade_Tree.gif

You can add Proctor and Brady Clark on there if you want to make it up to date.

2008-05-30 09:09:27
23.   regfairfield
18 His sunglasses subtract from his eye value.
2008-05-30 09:12:41
24.   Eric Stephen
I apologize if this was brought up yesterday, but this was in Keith Law's Thursday chat, about today's starting moundsman:

Dan (Bourne, MA): Jim Callis yesterday said Kershaw>Hamels. Is this true?

SportsNation Keith Law: I agree with that opinion.

2008-05-30 09:14:15
25.   Eric Stephen
22
There are never enough Aposto Garcia mentions on this site.
2008-05-30 09:21:38
26.   underdog
Kershaw's curve.
Russell's demeanor and arm.
Broxton's fastball.
The Bison's speed, arm and raw power.
Furcal's arm.
Loney's swing.
Brad Penny's balloony midsection.

---

Okay, Molly, we're waiting! {tapping foot}

2008-05-30 09:24:51
27.   regfairfield
I'm sure Jon never has the problem of going back to years old posts and wondering what the heck he was thinking when he threw the title on there.
2008-05-30 09:25:59
28.   silverwidow
Padres manager Bud Black says a crack in Chris Young's skull has to heal to ensure his brain doesn't get infected.

Just a sad situation.

2008-05-30 09:27:43
29.   fanerman
28 That's frightening! Gosh I hope he's okay.
2008-05-30 09:29:52
30.   sweepstakes
How about Billingsley's thighs? They could crush walnut shells.
2008-05-30 09:30:06
31.   D4P
Okay, Molly, we're waiting!

I guess she ordered the large cappuccino...

2008-05-30 09:37:20
32.   underdog
30 Good one.

28 Yikes. Was that from the Pujols line drive incident? I truly hope he heals up... makes baseball (and my hatred of the Padres) seem very trivial.

2008-05-30 09:38:10
33.   kinbote
Aggle flaggle klabble.
2008-05-30 09:41:09
34.   Johnson
Kuo's bat flip.
2008-05-30 09:49:33
35.   Eric Stephen
Kershaw had a game score of 60, the 13th best MLB debut in LA Dodger history. (Karl Spooner's game score was at least 93 and as high as 99 -- I'm not sure how many walks he had in his debut for Brooklyn, a 15 K 3-hit shutout in 1954)

http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/VAnw

Of the 12 ahead of him, how did they fare in start number two?

1) Pedro Astacio - 87 game score in debut / 45 in start #2
2) Nick Willhite - 82/63
3) Doug Rau - 77/56
4) Eric Gagne - 75/41
5) Kaz Ishii - 72/70
6) Hiroki Kuroda - 71/41
7t) Hideo Nomo - 68/23
7t) Ramon Martinez - 68/68
9t) Shawn Hillegas - 65/59
9t) Rick Sutcliffe - not counting - debuted in 1976 and didn't start again for 3 years
11) Edwin Jackson - 65/61
12) Doyle Alexander - 63/58

The collective ERA of these debut starts was 0.89, with a WHIP of 0.78. The pitchers were 7-0, and the Dodgers went 9-2 in these starts (losing the Gagne & Nomo debuts). Average game score was 72.

In start number two, the ERA dipped to a still respectable 3.45 with a WHIP of 1.35. The pitchers in start two were 3-6 with a team record of 5-6. Average game score was 53.

2008-05-30 09:51:50
36.   cargill06
Regarding the Met's and they can't hit lefties from the least thread

2006- .254/.332./406 vs. LHP
.268/.335/.461 vs. RHP
2007- .290/.357/.454 vs. LHP
.269/.337/.423 vs. RHP
2008- .278/.354/.437 vs. LHP
.247/.327/.384 vs. RHP

seems to me they hit LHP better.

2008-05-30 09:53:59
37.   Bob Hendley
The Solution's gumption.
2008-05-30 09:54:02
38.   Jon Weisman
33 - Knuffle Bunny!
2008-05-30 09:54:44
39.   Jon Weisman
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7594

From Baseball Prospectus:

"Cody Ross had one of the worst Aprils you can imagine, hitting .146, 7-for-48, with just two walks and no homers. Ross has followed that dismal performance with an oddly great May. So far, Ross has hit nine home runs in the month, but has just three other hits, all singles. From May 10 to May 25, Ross went 5-for-24, with each of those five hits landing in the seats. Ross followed that stretch up by hitting three homers in two games against the Mets, becoming the first player to amass eight home runs in a span of nine hits since Adam Dunn did it in May of 2003. For the month, Ross has an Isolated Power figure of .587; for contrast, the higest ISO figure over the course of a full season is the .535 mark of Bonds in '01. Finally, since the start of 2007--when Ross hit .335 with 12 homers and a .653 SLG in 197 plate appearances--Ross has a .319 ISO, which is the highest for any player in that period with at least 300 plate appearances."

2008-05-30 09:55:41
40.   kinbote
38 After much thought, that's the only thing I wanted to say this morning.
2008-05-30 09:56:48
41.   regfairfield
39 We're good at giving away guys named Ross who have occassional flashes of greatness.
2008-05-30 09:56:59
42.   Eric Stephen
36
Good point.

The Mets are 36-22 in games started by LHP in 2007-2008.

They are 78-78 in games started by RHP.

2008-05-30 09:59:46
43.   s choir
I hope this doesn't incite a rule 5-violating debate, but I just wanted to interject with the news that Nate Silver of Baseball Prospectus has outed himself as "Poblano", the shadowy figure behind the brilliant demographic political analysis at www.fivethirtyeight.com.

Nate/Poblano has been the most accurate predictor of the primary race outcomes this election season, and he doesn't take a single poll--he bases his analysis on census data.

2008-05-30 10:01:12
44.   Eric Enders
Does 41 include Ross Porter?
2008-05-30 10:02:26
45.   regfairfield
44 I just realized it did about a minute before you made that comment.
2008-05-30 10:06:39
46.   Eric Stephen
35
By the way, Karl Spooner followed up his 3-hit 15 K shutout debut with a 4-hit 12 K shutout in start #2 (his game score was anywhere from 89 to 95 depending on his walks).

His game score total in his first two (and only) starts in 1954 was 188. That has to be the highest for the first two starts of one's career, and I would venture to guess it's one of the highest two-start stretches for anyone in history.

The highest two-start stretch I could find for Koufax was 181. Pedro had a 188 stretch in 1999.

2008-05-30 10:13:58
47.   Eric Enders
Jose DeLeon had a 263 in his first three games. That's going to be tough to match.
2008-05-30 10:17:05
48.   Eric Enders
Actually, ignore 47 . Have I mentioned I'm lousy at math?
2008-05-30 10:18:23
49.   Sam DC
43 Wow, that's pretty interesting.

On another "sorry if this is old news," have folks seen the blogger mock draft put together by Future Redbirds. http://mlbloggermockdraft.wordpress.com/

Pretty interesting, though not the most readable presentation.

Dodgers are on the clock now -- Jason Churchill of Prospect Insider has the pick.

Here is the Nat's guy discussing who he thought the Nationals would pick. http://tinyurl.com/6lbl54

The concept is to predict what you think each time will do in the real world, not what you think it ought to do.

2008-05-30 10:23:20
50.   regfairfield
49 Now I'm definately glad I declined the offer to participate.
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2008-05-30 10:26:53
51.   dianagramr
0

Kim Ng

2008-05-30 10:32:32
52.   Eric Stephen
42
I should clarify that I meant the Mets were 36-22 in games started by LHP against them.
2008-05-30 10:40:26
53.   Bob Timmermann
*Morgan said that although Torre was criticized at the end of his managerial run with the Yankees, he deserves respect.

"When he came, they had 22 championships and when he left they had 26," Morgan said.*

When Bob Lemon started as manager of the Yankees, they had 21 championships and then they had 22 when he left (the first time).

When Ralph Houk started, the Yankees had 18 championships and then they had 20 when he left (for the first time).

2008-05-30 10:43:04
54.   dianagramr
53

Dear Mr. Morgan:
How many titles did the Mets, Braves and Cardinals have before/after Torre left?

(not dissing Torre's managerial ability, but the '96-'01 Yanks DID have some awesome talent)

2008-05-30 10:46:32
55.   D4P
54
I remember posting Torre's managerial records with the Mets, Braves, and Cards, around the time he was hired by the Dodgers.

They weren't pretty.

2008-05-30 10:51:54
56.   bhsportsguy
54 But really, do teams win without talent. Certainly, there are coaches and managers that have won with less talent then their competititon but I always think its unfair to throw out, well they should have won with those players argument.

How many baseball teams have won 3 or more World Series in a row? Two franchises.

The New York Yankees (Joe McCarthy, Casey Stengal and Joe Torre managing)
The Oakland A's (Dick Williams and Alvin Dark)

In the NBA, John Kundla, Red Auerbach and Phil Jackson have coached teams that have accomplished that feat.

2008-05-30 10:52:25
57.   Eric Stephen
Carlos Delgado, hitting .212/.246/.379 against LHP this season, sat out the last two games before the Dodger series as southpaws started against NY. Delgado has grumbled over this platoon development, but Willie Randolph stated Delgado would be in the lineup tonight against the lefty Kershaw.
2008-05-30 10:58:19
58.   Bob Timmermann
56
In Red Auerbach's mind, the Celtics won all those championships because they had great coaching. The Lakers only won because they had great players.

Because that Russell guy and that Cousy guy and (insert name of Hall of Famer here) guy were bums!

2008-05-30 11:15:44
59.   kinbote
http://tinyurl.com/5dwqxo

Rosenthal trying his best to make me stop following baseball altogether.

2008-05-30 11:16:50
60.   larry slimfast
logan white's methodology.
russell martin's tremendous patience.
the current roster's youth.
the 2009 roster's loss of dead weight.
joe torre's calm.
clayton kershaw's potential.
chad bills's right leg.
james loney's hands.
the team's fan written blogs.
2008-05-30 11:17:41
61.   Bob Hendley
35 - Speaking of debuts, the Dodgers purchased a 17 year old Mexican pitcher(aren't there child labor laws?), named Javier Solano from the Monterrey Sultanes. The last I heard he had done well in minor league camp and the thought was to send him up to the Loons, once the weather improved up there. Meanwhile he was to be in extended ST. I still don't see him on their roster, but don't know how to get info on what is happening (i.e., has the weather not improved or has his development slowed?) Any routine way to follow extended ST, or does one just have to wait for the odd comment from the media or management?
2008-05-30 11:18:29
62.   D4P
59
Good grief.

Before a Dodgers game earlier this season, Joe Torre asked outfielder Andre Ethier to state the most important thing he wished to accomplish that night.

"Hit a home run?" Ethier asked.

No, Andre.

"Get two hits?"

No again.

"How about to trying to win a game?" third base coach Larry Bowa interjected, with an expletive thrown in for good measure.

Welcome to the evolution of the Dodgers under Torre, the former Yankees manager who is making his return to New York this weekend against the Mets (MLB on Fox, Saturday, 3:55 p.m.).

"They all think, 'You put up good numbers, you get paid," Bowa says. "Joe's trying to convince these guys, 'If you win, you're going to get your money.'"

2008-05-30 11:20:33
63.   Ken Noe
54 55 Dodger fan Chuck Todd on MSNBC's "Morning Joe": "I thought we were hiring the American League Torre and not the National League Torre."
2008-05-30 11:22:36
64.   Jon Weisman
Myopia. Sure, the kids have something to learn. What kids don't? But is that really the story of the 2008 Dodgers?
2008-05-30 11:24:02
65.   Eric Stephen
I'm glad Mark Sweeney (I originally typed Mike) was able to get prominently quoted in that article before his decaying carcass is shipped home.
2008-05-30 11:26:24
66.   dianagramr
62
http://www.imsdb.com/transcripts/South-Park-Gnomes.html

CARTMAN
So what are you gonna do with all these underpants that you steal?

GNOME
Collecting underpants is just phase 1. Phase 1: collect underpants.

KYLE
Sooo, what's phase 2?

GNOME
Hey, what's phase 2?

GNOME 2
Phase 1: we collect underpants.

GNOME
Yeah yeah yeah, but. What about phase 2?

GNOME 2
Well, phase 3 is profit. Get it?

STAN
I don't get it.

GNOME 2
You see,
Phase 1: collect underpants.
Phase 2: ...
Phase 3: Profit.

CARTMAN
Oh, I get it.

STAN
No you don't, fatass!

KYLE
Do you guys know anything about corporations?

GNOME
You bet we do!

GNOME 2
Us gnomes are geniuses at corporations.

2008-05-30 11:26:48
67.   LogikReader
[all the posts]

Time to add more fuel to the fire. On ESPN Radio today, Peter Pasquerelli attributed the Dodger hitting woes to lack of production from the young hitters. "The young hitters need to start playing better."

Ok let's just see how much you're paying attention:

Last two weeks:

Ethier: .327 / .375 / .462
Martin: .320 / .370 / .360
Kemp: .293 / .408 / .341

Loney: .276 / .329 / .427
DeWitt: .227 / .292 / .386

I see Loney and DeWitt struggling, and the slg is awful for everybody, but that was still a pretty ignorant statement for Peter to make. I thought it had more to do with having three automatic outs in the lineup.

2008-05-30 11:27:30
68.   williamnyy23
62 Interesting exchange, but if the next question was what could Andre Ethier do to help the Dodgers win a [insert Bowa expletive here] game, two very good answers would be "hit a homerun" and "get two hits".
2008-05-30 11:28:04
69.   LogikReader
67

Heck, not even Loney.

2008-05-30 11:28:07
70.   D4P
I can't remember if I've said this before, but it seems to me that one difference between "new stats thinkers" and "traditionalists" stems from their beliefs about winning.

For new stats thinkers, winning is simply the result of scoring more runs than the opposition. Players are supposed to do things that help score runs for their team and prevent runs from being scored by the other team.

For traditionalists, winning is a thing in itself that transcends runs scored/prevented. Players can be winners in a sense that has little/nothing to do with runs. Players can either know how to win or not, independent of their runs-related performance. In fact, some kinds of run-supporting activities might even be thought to be harmful (or at least neutral) with respect to winning. Players aren't supposed to do things like hit HRs, strike opposing hitters out, etc.: players are supposed to "win".

2008-05-30 11:28:59
71.   underdog
59 A better bet would be to stop following Ken Rosenthal altogether.
2008-05-30 11:31:14
72.   underdog
67 - Peter, Peter... The Dodgers lack of hitting the past week has as much to do with: Furcal being absent (he made the offense "go" when he was around the first month); lack of clutch hits with RISP by everyone; Kent's suckitude; Pierre coming down to earth. Sheesh, do we have to re-live this "it's the kids" nonsense all over again?
2008-05-30 11:34:05
73.   regfairfield
I wonder if Maza counted as one of those young players?
2008-05-30 11:36:07
74.   adrian beltre
it really just drives me crazy that not only can rosenthal cite jeff kent and mark sweeney as his sources, but that so many of his peers consider them to be credible examples of what the young players should aspire to be. a career pinch-hitter and a second baseman with an attitude problem and the inability to see things as they really are are two main components of a world series contender?
2008-05-30 11:37:02
75.   regfairfield
72 There is some truth to it though. Except for Pierre we really haven't been running out any veterans and we've scored 12 runs in the last seven games. It's the young players fault because our lineup has been young guys+Pierre.
2008-05-30 11:37:22
76.   Ken Noe
Rosenthal entered Joe Morgan Territory a long time ago, but what most stands out to me in that piece is that Kent still wants to stir things up, this time with Sweeney as his Gonzo. I was afraid that a losing streak would lead to the resurrection of this nonsense.
2008-05-30 11:38:12
77.   bhsportsguy
72 But the kids are a big part of the story.

Five of the top 7 players with the most plate appearances have less than 2 years experience. Juan Pierre is pretty much Juan Pierre. Jeff Kent has had a bad May.

I know that the media has not done anything to stop this kids vs. veteran storyline but I think the point of the story is to say that you if you are Blake DeWitt or James Loney and a fly ball could give you the tying run. you have to approach the at bat that way. And I'm not saying they are not.

But it would not surprise me if this storyline continues on the two nationally televised games this weekend.

2008-05-30 11:40:26
78.   D4P
I will grant that it's ultimately unrealistic to expect these writers to check the stats to verify every single claim they make about stuff like "Team X is struggling because of their kids".

But is it too much to ask that they check one lousy time? I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say that every time some quote has come out the past few years about how the kids are primarily responsible for the Dodgers' struggles, I've been able to spend 1-2 minutes looking at the stats only to find that the kids were performing no worse (and usually better) overall than the veterans.

Why can't "professional" writers do the same thing, at least some of the time?

2008-05-30 11:42:03
79.   Eric Stephen
We just have to put up with a few more days of the misrepresentation of the Dodgers because they're in NY. We get Joe Buck, Tim McCarver, and Rosenthal tomorrow, and Jon Miller & Joe Morgan Sunday to recycle these tired stories, before getting back to the everyday hatred of Plaschke & Simers, et al.
2008-05-30 11:43:36
80.   adrian beltre
78 - its really sad. one time i read a, la sportswriter's critique on the zito signing and, of all the reasons to be against it, he questioned zito's durability. i wrote him and told him about all of zito's 200-inning seasons and he merely said thanks, it was an oversight. its scary how much influence they have and how little regard some have for accuracy.
2008-05-30 11:46:23
81.   natepurcell
Has this Chris Withrow story been talked about yet?
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=1086

And...what has happened to Bryan Morris? He has vanished!

2008-05-30 11:46:54
82.   bhsportsguy
79 I think both the stories and the reaction to the stories on DT are a bit over the top.
2008-05-30 11:47:31
83.   Bob Timmermann
79
Plaschke & Simers won't be anywhere near the Dodgers until the end of June. The only time Simers will be dealing with the Dodgers will be the Vin Scully-John Wooden talk.

There's this team called the Lakers that's having a good year...

2008-05-30 11:48:33
84.   Eric Stephen
83
But my hatred for them will still exist every day! :)
2008-05-30 11:49:13
85.   D4P
I looked at the correlation between Player's Age and (1) BA, (2) OBP, (3) SLG, and (4) OPS) for the following Dodgers:

Andre Ethier
Andruw Jones
Blake DeWitt
Chin-lung Hu
Delwyn Young
Gary Bennett
James Loney
Jeff Kent
Juan Pierre
Luis Maza
Mark Sweeney
Matt Kemp
Nomar Garciaparra
Rafael Furcal
Russell Martin

I found a significant negative correlation between Age and BA, and Age and OBP. (Age is also negatively correlated with SLG and OPS, but neither correlation is significant. However, it's worth noting that the correlations are reasonably strong, and the sample size of 15 is really small).

In other words, up to this point, a Dodger's batting average goes down as his age goes up, and his on base percentage goes down as his age goes up.

2008-05-30 11:50:12
86.   Bob Timmermann
I think there have been plenty of Dodgers beat writers who have been harping on the failings of Andruw Jones. And Brad Penny. And Derek Lowe.

Simers has focused almost all of his faux-wrath on Jones. Plaschke complained about Jones' weight in spring training.

2008-05-30 11:51:29
87.   natepurcell
85

So what you're saying is that a players hitting skills deteriorate (!!!gasp!!) as they get older?

2008-05-30 11:52:31
88.   Bob Hendley
85 - Yep, Bowa was right, the kids are just playing for the numbers.
2008-05-30 11:53:01
89.   Ken Noe
"'Everyone is here to try to help you get better, and you need to trust us on that.' But one thing about trust -- you have to earn it. You can't just tell 'em, 'trust us.'"

Gee Joe, you probably shouldn't let Bowa and Kent stick it to them with a reporter either, if trust is what you want.

2008-05-30 11:53:13
90.   Eric Stephen
82
I normally don't care about stories like these, but it's just so incredibly frustrating to see the same lazy and tired cliches use by national media to explain the club's struggles.

I'm not too bent out of shape because I don't necessarily think the organization (outside of maybe Bowa) believes this tripe. This seems like Rosenthal had a story to tell, and used his relatively benign quotes to frame his piece how he wanted.

I do enjoy the comic potential of a 4-for-42 Mark Sweeney exclaiming, "we wish it would happen a little quicker." (and I realize I'm parsing his quote and possibly using it out of context)

2008-05-30 11:53:21
91.   fanerman
85 If I remember my stats class right, correlation ALWAYS means causation. I think you're onto something.
2008-05-30 11:55:32
92.   bhsportsguy
89 Phil Jackson calls his players weenies in the press. Ben Howland called out a college player about his conditioning (Kevin Love) to the media.
2008-05-30 11:56:26
93.   Disabled List
To be fair, I think the single biggest problem with the Dodgers' offense right now is the lack of power. And the kids deserve to take their lumps in that regard. Matt Kemp with only a .341? Loney and Martin have been underwhelming as well.

However, the power outage is a systemwide flaw, and is hardly the kids' fault exclusively.

2008-05-30 11:58:18
94.   D4P
91
You remember correctly. The part you might be forgetting is this:

"When two variables are correlated, that necessarily means that one of the variables caused the other. Determining which variable caused the other requires the researcher to decide which explanation best suits his/her pre-conceived agenda and objectives at the time. If, at a later juncture, the researcher finds it expedient to change his/her mind, s/he is free to do so."

2008-05-30 11:59:56
95.   fanerman
94 I know