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Dodgers Trade Meloan, Santana for Blake
2008-07-26 10:14
by Jon Weisman
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2008-07-26 10:20:20
1.   D4P
Hey: where's the analysis...?
2008-07-26 10:20:41
2.   silverwidow
Tony Jackson:

Again, this is a scaled-down version of the eight-player deal the clubs never consummated earlier this month. That one was CC Sabathia, Casey Blake and Jamey Carroll for (I believe) Santana, Matt Kemp, James McDonald, Cory Wade and Andy LaRoche.

INSANE!!!

2008-07-26 10:21:52
3.   Bob Timmermann
Analysis is part of "Dodger Thoughts Platinum."

"Dodger Thoughts Platinum" will be free for everyone for a week after a game in which Andruw Jones strikes out five times.

2008-07-26 10:22:35
4.   dzzrtRatt
Seems like another "he could've gotten more" type of deal. Meloan and Santana were good prospects, good trade bait, but not for an old, so-so hitter. You get the same production if you put Ethier back in the lineup and sit Jones.

This would have to mean either LaRoche or less likely DeWitt is gone in another trade soon. Today, probably.

OTOH, Blake isn't blocking anyone for long. But just because this isn't the worst imaginable deal doesn't make it less disappointing.

2008-07-26 10:22:36
5.   Who Is Karim Garcia
2

Well, I guess it could have been worse.

2008-07-26 10:23:33
6.   Bob Timmermann
Well, I guess it could have been worse.

That sort of attitude helped Napoleon in Russia.

2008-07-26 10:24:08
7.   dzzrtRatt
On the bright side, the guy in the ad seems to be enjoying his vacation.
2008-07-26 10:24:41
8.   regfairfield
Our four best pitchers are all ground ball pitchers.

We now have possibly the worst defensive infield in baseball.

This seems like it will end badly.

2008-07-26 10:25:39
9.   Greg Brock
I have been assured that Blake is a gamer, so I am mollified.

Go Team!

2008-07-26 10:25:45
10.   MC Safety
2 That makes my stomach hurt.
2008-07-26 10:26:03
11.   Alex41592
Casey Blake is OPSing 1.007 in July. Also, is OPSing .973 outside of Cleveland. He was awful in April and May. He broke out in June with a .954 OPS.
2008-07-26 10:26:09
12.   Who Is Karim Garcia
I have zero problem with this deal. I'm mildly irritated that that Meloan didn't get a shot over the likes of Jason Johnson or Falkenborg.

Then again, if Tron, Borg and JJ are getting shots before Meloan, that tells me a lot about Meloan.

I'll be very upset if this deal ends with Andy LaRoche heading to Oakland.

2008-07-26 10:26:24
13.   bhsportsguy
2 Tony Jackson is going to the mat with the CC deal but again who was the source?

This deal signals to me that the Dodgers are not going to deal anyone on their MLB roster and probably their 40 man roster (outside of Meloan) by this trading deadline.

I wonder if the Padres would take Greg Miller/Justin Orenduff for Greg Maddux?

2008-07-26 10:26:35
14.   sweepstakes
Awesome, the Dodger infield gets older. Now we just need to swap Loney for Delgado, then turn our attention to the outfield and deal Kemp for Alou.
2008-07-26 10:26:55
15.   Sharkie
I'm tired of Ned and his utter stupidity. I almost want AZ to win to force out Ned.
2008-07-26 10:27:01
16.   Ken Noe
4 But we did get more--Cleveland still pays Blake. Maybe it's time to start taking seriously the notion that McCourt won't let Ned add more salary.
2008-07-26 10:27:35
17.   dzzrtRatt
Colletti: "CC Sabathia, Casey Blake and Jamey Carroll for (I believe) Santana, Matt Kemp, James McDonald, Cory Wade and Andy LaRoche?"

White: "No!"

McCourt: "You heard him. No."

Colletti: "Okay, how 'bout Santana and Meloan for Blake."

White: "No!"

McCourt (after a long silence): "Logan, maybe we ought to let him just this once. So Jon Heyman and Ken Rosenthal stop killing us in the press."

White: "What's in it for me?"

McCourt: "Talk to me in three months."

2008-07-26 10:28:17
18.   overkill94
8 We might as well trade Lowe then, right?
2008-07-26 10:28:25
19.   Rob M
This is depressing. I just don't see how Blake solves any problems, unless he becomes the everyday left fielder and we sit Jones and Pierre. Even then, I don't think he's good enough to justify parting with Santana and Meloan. I keep hearing that there's discord in the front office, with Logan getting a bigger say in things and perhaps playing a role in the veto of the CC trade. This has the hallmarks of being a concession to Flanders.
2008-07-26 10:28:56
20.   Icaros
18

That's what we should've done in the first place.

2008-07-26 10:29:12
21.   Greg Brock
I'll be very upset if this deal ends with Andy LaRoche heading to Oakland.

Be ready to be upset.

2008-07-26 10:29:19
22.   overkill94
14 I wish we had Delgado right now. Dude is straight up mashing lately.
2008-07-26 10:30:17
23.   sporky
13 If this deal guarantees that either LaRoche or DeWitt is sent back down and neither of them are traded, I'll be happy.
2008-07-26 10:30:21
24.   D4P
LaRoche + X = Street

X = ???

2008-07-26 10:30:39
25.   Rob M
19 17 In other words...
2008-07-26 10:31:06
26.   dsfan
Is there an appropriate Santana song for this sad occasion? How many good catching prospects is Ned going to give away?
2008-07-26 10:31:27
27.   sweepstakes
22
Lately is the operative word.
2008-07-26 10:31:35
28.   Icaros
X = James McDonald
2008-07-26 10:32:59
29.   bhsportsguy
This is why you gotta love DT, there may be discord in the Dodger front office but there is nothing but respectful discussion here.

My final say on this before I run off today, I think this is a good deal for the current and future Dodger team.

2008-07-26 10:33:19
30.   Tommy Naccarato
6 Of course I got a good enough kick out of that comment that I had to log-in and post.

Thanks!

2008-07-26 10:33:35
31.   bigcpa
There's no reason to deal LaRoche if this is a 2 month rental. We could still cut Sweeney and use DeWitt as the first LH bat off the bench.

Oh and I propose we re-brand the August DT outing "Casey Blake's 35th B'Day Picnic."

2008-07-26 10:33:43
32.   JoeyP
Horrible.

Dumping a high ceiling catcher like Carlos Santana for ultimate non-consequential PVL...

Just fire Ned.

Not even Bhsportsguy can condone this anymore.

2008-07-26 10:33:48
33.   sporky
Didn't Omar Minaya want Casey Blake?
2008-07-26 10:34:56
34.   Ken Noe
33 Phillies too.
2008-07-26 10:35:15
35.   CanuckDodger
4 --LaRoche isn't going anywhere. 3B will have no incumbent heading into 2009, and the Dodgers will want to have an option beyond DeWitt. And what would LaRoche be traded for? A shortstop? The whole idea of getting an SS was so Nomar could be moved to 3B. No way Nomar gets benched. A closer? Dodger executives already "scoffed" at the idiotic Huston Street rumor, according to Gurnick. We know that Colletti refused to give up DeJesus for Rauch, so if the Dodgers were looking for a reliever, the price they were willing to pay probably wasn't too high.
2008-07-26 10:35:56
36.   JoeyP
I think this is a good deal for the current and future Dodger team.

Explain how adding Casey Blake makes the Dodgers better in 2009.

2008-07-26 10:36:08
37.   Icaros
32

He just did, three spots above you.

2008-07-26 10:36:11
38.   D4P
Not even Bhsportsguy can condone this anymore

My final say on this before I run off today, I think this is a good deal for the current and future Dodger team

2008-07-26 10:36:30
39.   blue22
15 - utter stupidity

Isn't that going a little far? LA has gotten a 665 OPS out of third base this year. Blake has an 830 OPS (119 OPS+) this year. Seems like an upgrade to me. And they didn't have to trade LaRoche to get him. I still feel LaRoche is the starting 3B next year.

The two guys traded were not really in the plans going forward either. I can see disagreeing with this deal, but not really the outrage.

2008-07-26 10:36:43
40.   Gen3Blue
I'm baffled. We seem to get a part time Bat/DH type for a few prospects I guess I can live without, but it totally feels like doing something for the sake of doing something.

If its a prelude to something else, Ive got a bad feeling.

2008-07-26 10:37:15
41.   Warren
I'm ok with the deal. It probably doesn't add much to the team but perhaps for two months Blake will be slightly better than LaRoche/DeWitt so unless either get traded it probably doesn't hurt. Meloan has potential but we've got the best pitching in the NL and middle relivers can be added on the cheap as needed.
2008-07-26 10:37:15
42.   Ken Noe
I think Ned is done--in more ways than one.
2008-07-26 10:37:27
43.   Bob Timmermann
32 see 29
2008-07-26 10:37:42
44.   Rob M
I actually think Blake is pretty good. I had him on my fantasy team the past few years - he plays 2B, 1B, 3B and corner OF, plus he has some power. I just don't like the idea of him putting Laroche in AAA or on the bench. As a supersub that plays alost every day, he's great.
2008-07-26 10:38:30
45.   blue22
42 - Yeah, I think so. McCourt gives him a little leash to make a deal and improve the team short term. But I think he's gone.
2008-07-26 10:38:39
46.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Silver lining: Over the last season and a half (222 games), at third base Blake has a DP-E ratio of 39-26, which is good.
2008-07-26 10:40:39
47.   JoeyP
My bad I was just hoping he explained it better.

Dealing Carlos Santana for 2 months of an inconsequential PVL is utter idiocy.

The two guys traded were not really in the plans going forward either.

Santana was probably having the best year of any Dodger prospect. Is giving him up really worth 2 months of Casey Blake?

Casey Blake?
Casey Blake???

2008-07-26 10:42:10
48.   underdog
I don't quite understand why people are jumping off of bridges about this deal. I am against trading Santana too but as Canuck said where was he going to play in this organization, I'd assumed he'd be traded at some point. I have less problem trading Meloan. I actually like Blake. Plus you get draft pick for him when he leaves, presumably. Blake plays 3B, 1B, and OF, and even played SS. The Dodgers had very little depth on offense right now. Again, I don't like trading Santana, because I think his value will go up and if they were going to trade him they could've waited for a higher value trade. But that said, I don't think people are being all that rational about this.

What I would do is send DeWitt down because he clearly needs more seasoning and to start full time, keep LaRoche around and give him some starts still since he has nothing to gain from being in the minors. I would not trade him for anything other than a Jason Bay or Holliday (which won't happen) type deal; otherwise he's at third next year.

2008-07-26 10:43:05
49.   overkill94
You guys realize Casey Blake now leads the team in OPS right?
2008-07-26 10:43:09
50.   underdog
Plus, NedCo will likely be gone no matter what happens so you can take comfort in that! (Barring a World Series appearance...)
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2008-07-26 10:43:20
51.   regfairfield
Will Plaschke point out that this is the ultimate fantasy baseball move?
2008-07-26 10:45:16
52.   fracule
6 Nice observation. The same could be said for many world leaders.
2008-07-26 10:46:06
53.   sporky
If we had Sean Casey, that could cause some real confusion.
2008-07-26 10:46:32
54.   Icaros
49

But it's only .830. Big deal. He's 34, and you're comparing him to a bunch of developing guys 23-25, and a couple of old stiffs. This move is still pointless and wasteful of future prospects.

2008-07-26 10:46:48
55.   Wilbert Robinson
So I guess this deal confirms that we do like players that strike out a lot as long as they're old.
2008-07-26 10:48:03
56.   PalmdaleSteve1
Casey Blake is a rental, no assurance that the Dodger will sign him during the off season. Brings .289 11 HR's, which ties with Ether and Kemp on the current roster...So a bat, sort of kind of maybe.

From SI.com

Right-handed pitching prospect Jon Meloan and catching prospect Carlos Santana will go to Cleveland for Blake, 34, a 10-year major league veteran who is eligible for free agency following this season.

2008-07-26 10:48:29
57.   natepurcell
Ugh.

Don't care for Meloan but losing Santana hurts.

If we get two draft picks for Blake AND this stops Colletti from making anymore retarded trades, then I can live with this.

But Santana.....ahhhh Carlos, you left me too soooon.

2008-07-26 10:49:03
58.   JoeyP
Meloan for Blake would have been fine.

But throwing in Santana to get an old guy for 2 months is just not forward thinking at all.

IF you're going to deal prospects, deal them for guys in their prime.

Not 2-month rentals that will just block the guy that should be playing 3rd base everyday anyway (LaRoche).

2008-07-26 10:49:27
59.   Sharkie
39 -- yes, I'm being a little harsh. But the benching Andruw gets you the same production. And moving JP down (or out) of the lineup gets you some more.
2008-07-26 10:49:30
60.   kecster
Santana was having a great year, but realistically he was #3 on the Dodgers' likely future plans behind the plate (Martin, May). If the Dodgers were that high on Meloan, they would have called him up at some point this year, don't you think? Blake gives the Dodgers a #6 hitter that they can start at 3B every night with confidence. He'll also end up a type A or B free agent, getting us a high draft pick or two back.

The past couple days it's seemed pretty likely that blake would be a player the dodgers would target. The fact that we didn't trade LaRoche or DeWitt (at least, not yet) to get him is great for us.

I'm not a big Ned supporter, but he did pretty well on this one!

2008-07-26 10:49:33
61.   Xeifrank
April fools, right? vr, Xei

LOS ANGELES – The Los Angeles Dodgers announced today they have acquired third baseman Casey Blake and cash considerations from the Cleveland Indians in exchange for minor league catcher Carlos Santana and minor league right-hander Jonathan Meloan. The announcement was made by Dodger General Manager Ned Colletti.

"Casey Blake is a gamer," said Colletti. "His experience and character will be a plus as we head down the stretch in the final two months of the regular season."

2008-07-26 10:49:40
62.   blue22
47 - I'm far from an expert here, but he's a 22-year old having a career year in high A-ball who happens to play the same position as our MVP at the big league level. I don't know, I'm not that broken up about it.

Plus Blake might bring a draft pick, takes away one of Torre's favorite toys in DeWitt, and provides more offense than we've seen all year out of 3B.

2008-07-26 10:49:48
63.   GoBears
If Casey Blake is just a rental, then I see this trade as merely pointless. I too believe that LaRoche could have put up the same numbers with better defense, but waiting for LaRoche to do so next year is something I can live with.

Of course, don't be surprised if Blake turns out not to be just a rental. Nomar, Sweeney, Ramon Martinez...not all were acquired in mid-season trades, but all were re-signed after they'd proved their worthlessness, and after it was clear that there were better options in the minors. Blake is a "gamer." I think Torre has even more of a PVL fetish than Colletti has.

Still and all, let's say Blake puts up the same numbers as LaRoche would have, or even a little better. That doesn't change the outfield situation. If Pierre and Jones continue to start all or most games, it doesn't matter who plays 3b.

One way that this COULD improve the team would be if Blake would replace Pierre in LF, and play alongside Ethier and Kemp. LaRoche could then man 3b.

And monkeys would fly out of you know where.

Our IF defense is going to be horrible. Kent, Nomar, and Blake? Yikes. They're taking money out of Derek Lowe's wallet - his ERA could jump by a run per game. All those late-inning defensive replacements don't help the starting pitchers.

2008-07-26 10:49:54
64.   fracule
Martin is our catcher. It would have been wrong to relegate a
player with a ceiling like Santana's to back-up status down
the line. Also, he's in class-A ball. That makes him a
somewhat unproven commodity imo. I give this trade a C-. Just below average, but there's time to bring the final grade
up before the end of the semester.
2008-07-26 10:50:26
65.   underdog
Yeah, do we know what draft pick bounty Blake will yield? Is it confirmed at two? Or one first rounder?
2008-07-26 10:50:34
66.   overkill94
Who cares how old he is if we only have him for two months? Is his decline going to be the most sharp in history?
2008-07-26 10:51:49
67.   regfairfield
65 He'd probably have to finish with better numbers than .282 .356 .479 to reach type A status.
2008-07-26 10:52:35
68.   fracule
63 Nomar's 1 million dollar season was hardly worthless.
He added alot to the Dodger's line-up. I'm not condoning
the contract he got afterwards, but he hardly proved himself
worthless.
2008-07-26 10:53:16
69.   regfairfield
I do agree that Santana was gone at some point, and this could very well be a sell high, but his numbers are completely insane this year.
2008-07-26 10:54:08
70.   overkill94
67 He was right on the cusp of the A/B cut-off last year, so I would assume that having a better year than last year would bump him up to an A.
2008-07-26 10:54:47
71.   ssjames
I think trading Santana just goes to show how little Colleti values OBP. This is a constant from him. Santana was leading his league in OBP. How many times do you see that from a catcher. This is the same story as Pierre all over again. Because don't forget "Pierre gets on base a lot."
2008-07-26 10:54:55
72.   Greg Brock
If this is the level of outrage for Meloan and Santana for a decent 3B, I can't wait for the inevitable LaRoche deal.

Good times.

2008-07-26 10:55:26
73.   regfairfield
70 Better year than 2006, it takes into account the last two years so he'd have to beat those numbers to move up.
2008-07-26 10:55:55
74.   Icaros
66

I was using his age to make the point that his OPS should be higher than anyone on the Dodgers, since the Dodgers are mostly very young, developing players, while he is still at the back end of his prime.

2008-07-26 10:56:07
75.   natepurcell
But seriously, the comments from Colletti are absolutely mind boggling retarded.

He's a gamer?!?!!

HE'S A GAMER!??!!

Please say something else.

2008-07-26 10:56:09
76.   regfairfield
72 Except he's not a decent 3B. Fielding matters.
2008-07-26 10:56:10
77.   blue22
Is this a better deal than if Ned would've sent the same package for Jack Wilson, and moved Nomar to 3rd? The defense would've been better, but I think the offense continues to stagnate.
2008-07-26 10:56:11
78.   sporky
FWIW, Ken Gurnick before this deal went down:

>>Dodgers sources scoffed at rumors that the club is on the verge of trading third baseman Andy LaRoche to Oakland for reliever Huston Street.<<

2008-07-26 10:56:20
79.   fracule
72 Flipping over cars and setting them on fire (virtually), I reckon.
2008-07-26 10:58:20
80.   overkill94
74 So it helps the team this year. Why the outrage then?
2008-07-26 10:58:39
81.   Sharkie
Just because we have Martin, doesn't mean you give up quality catching prospects. Martin has the athleticism to play 3B or 2B full time or at least part time to rest his legs. This sort of lineup flexibility has great advantages. If Santana can play C, then he can probably play other positions too. Or you can package a trade for top-level talent, instead of a rental.

Is this a big trade? No. Could NedCo have done better? Yes. Could NedCo be more visionary and think more long term? Absolutely.

2008-07-26 11:00:21
82.   unlazy4sports
I'm kind of up in the air about this trade. Value wise, we got ripped off because like many have said, LaRoche would've matched Blake's production if given a chance. And if you're going to trade Santana at all, he would've net us more in the beginning of next year after the new BA rankings put him in the top 50 or so.

Reason why I might be ok with this trade is because even though LaRoche could've matched his production, we know Torre wouldn't have given him a chance. This is a way of putting that production in the lineup instead of the horrible numbers that Dewitt's been giving us, which definitely helps the Dodgers for the next 2 months.

Of course, all this is assuming Blake is gone after these two months and LaRoche stays a Dodger.

Now, the important question is: Will Blake get to LA in time for today's game? I was planning on starting LaRoche on my fantasy team tonite.

2008-07-26 11:00:46
83.   bhsportsguy
Its doubtful that Casey Blake arrives in time for tonight's game, there is only one non-stop flight out of Cleveland to LAX that remains today and even that one he would have to be at the airport right now.
2008-07-26 11:01:13
84.   Bob Timmermann
Is his decline going to be the most sharp in history?

I believe Dodgers fans know who holds that title.

2008-07-26 11:01:51
85.   overkill94
82 Apparently he's already on a plane over here, so I would assume he'd be here in plenty of time for tonight's game.
2008-07-26 11:02:09
86.   JoeyP
62--Look, what happens if Santana just continues to mash. It would have allowed Martin to move to 2nd base, or 3rd, etc.

At any rate, you just traded a very high ceiling prospect, for 2 months of Casey Blake.

Not 2 months of Carlos Beltran.

It has very limited short-term gain (since LaRoche for 2 months or Blake for 2 months isnt going to be the difference between winning the division and not), but alot of long-term risk (you just gave up Santana, who could have been a difference making player, and at worst could have been packaged for something better).

Honestly, what is 2 months of Casey Blake worth to a team that already has Andy LaRoche?

2008-07-26 11:02:32
87.   Icaros
80

Why does my disagreeing with the move have to be labeled as outrage? Am I screaming or something?

I do not agree that it helps the team this year. LaRoche is better defensively, and I think he would start producing if he continued to play everyday.

2008-07-26 11:02:56
88.   Greg Brock
Andrew, he's the 7th VORPiest 3B in baseball this year, middle of the pack last year. His defense is atrocious, but 3B isn't SS, C, CF, or 2B. He'll get how many chances?

If we can't even say "decent," we're not being totally fair.

This is not a terrible deal.

2008-07-26 11:03:31
89.   bhsportsguy
83 Was written before 82 was seen but as I stated and Bob Timmermann knows first hand, non-stop flights from Cleveland to LAX are limited (only 3, all on Continental) and the last one leaves Cleveland at 2:30 p.m. EDT.
2008-07-26 11:03:44
90.   sporky
Meloan has just been taken off the LV roster. No infielder has been added (yet).
2008-07-26 11:04:15
91.   Who Is Karim Garcia
We are buyers at the deadline, dealing with Mark Shapiro for the best 3B and bat on the market....

.... this wasn't Dave Littlefield or Jim Bowden in a December deal.

You have to give something up to get something.

2008-07-26 11:04:37
92.   fracule
83 They probably have him on a chartered flight.
2008-07-26 11:05:31
93.   still bevens
81 I love how you subconsciously channeled Jim Tracy in that last sentence.
2008-07-26 11:05:32
94.   Tripon
Unless you truly think Santana was going to start at catcher for the Dodgers in the next two years, this isn't that bad. Like I said in the previous thread, eventually the Dodgers and everyone else who coveted Santana that Martin was going to block Santana from catching, and while there is somebody who were advocating to move Martin to 2nd. (I'm sure Martin would have loved that, and then promptly demanded a trade.) Lets be honest with ourselves, Santana didn't have much of a future with the Dodgers as is. As for Meloan, there's a dozen more relief prospects from where he came from.
2008-07-26 11:05:59
95.   regfairfield
88 He's a first half hitter, guys don't have career years at age 34. Once his hitting declines and you've completely blown your infield open on a team of ground ball pitchers I don't see how you could count him as decent. We voluntarily made our team worse and gave up talent to do so. At least most of Ned's moves managed to improve the team in the short term.
2008-07-26 11:07:18
96.   JoeyP
So it helps the team this year. Why the outrage then?

Bc the team sucks this year.
Adding Blake might make it suck a bit less.

But why give up 1 of your best prospects for a guy that might make the team suck a bit less.

As I mentioned earlier, this isnt 2 months of Carlos Beltran. Its 35yr old Casey Blake, ultimate PVL.

Lets take away development time from LaRoche.
Lets trade a potential piece to the future.
Lets play Casey Blake for 2 months, bc having him in the lineup instead of LaRoche might lead the Dodgers to 82 wins instead of 80.

Meanwhile, if Santana goes on to be an All-Star (like um whats that guy's name--Navarro), who cares bc we'll always fall back on the excuse that "we have Russ Martin, we had to get rid of [insert catching prospect's name]..

This management really makes it difficult to root for them.

2008-07-26 11:08:18
97.   overkill94
How can we assume that LaRoche would hit as well as Blake if he got to play every day? Every other youngster that we love (Martin, Loney, Kemp, Ethier, etc.) has gotten a chance to play every day all year and Blake has outproduced all of them at the plate. When it was DeWitt vs. LaRoche it was easy to pull for LaRoche, but it would take a real leap of faith to think LaRoche would outperform Blake for the rest of the year.
2008-07-26 11:08:24
98.   bhsportsguy
85 Unless the deal announcement was held up or it was a condition that Casey Blake be here tonight, I don't know how its possible he could be on a plane right now. There was one other flight that left Cleveland at 12:30 p.m. EDT but that would mean that the deal was done by 9:00 a.m. EDT since Casey Blake would have to go to the ballpark to get his gear and then the tickets and everything would have to be arranged.

Also, though perhaps they just get money if it isn't possible, per the MLBPA CBA, players whose rights are transferred during the season, have to be transported via First Class on any flights longer than a certain time period.

2008-07-26 11:08:27
99.   GoBears
The stuff about Santana and Meloan "not being the in the team's plans" does not necessarily tell you anything about Santana or Meloan. It might just indict "the team's plans." And even IF those guys really were blocked (talent-wise, not just perception-wise) that doesn't mean they're throwaways. If they're more highly valued by others, then