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*$475,000 Chad Billingsley
*$415,000 Clayton Kershaw
*$405,000 Eric Stults
*$400,000 James McDonald
*Total: $11,695,000

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*$1,300,000 Scott Proctor
*$1,500,000 Jonathan Broxton
*$425,000 Hong-Chih Kuo
*$420,000 Cory Wade
*$410,000 Ramon Troncoso
*$400,000 Scott Elbert
Total: $6,955,000

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*$3,000,000 Russell Martin
*$2,500,000 Andre Ethier
*$600,000 Matt Kemp
*$600,000 James Loney
*$500,000 Angel Berroa
*$410,000 Blake DeWitt
*$400,000 Tony Abreu
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*$600,000 Jason Repko
*$410,000 Delwyn Young
*$400,000 Danny Ardoin
*$400,000 Chin-Lung Hu
Total: $11,810,000
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Lucas May
Xavier Paul

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July 29 Game Chat
2008-07-29 17:53
by Jon Weisman
Comments (640)
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2008-07-29 17:55:14
1.   therickdaddy
I could have sworn the ad said BoxSuckBabes. I need an eye exam.
2008-07-29 18:00:52
2.   Alex41592
In the eighth at Fenway.
2008-07-29 18:02:10
3.   KG16
to answer fanerman's question...

crap shoot, as it is generally used, means that the outcome is entirely random. or at least that's my understanding of the vernacular. you could draw a better parallel to an actual crap shoot if you were to say that the team with home field advantage through the playoffs, and the better starting rotation is closer to 6, 7, or 8, while the wild card teams are closer to 2 or 12. So the better teams are favored. But then that discounts the whole random argument, I think.

but in craps, the previous roll has absolutely no determinative effect on the current roll, which has no determinative effect on the next. It is entirely possible to roll a 7 on a come out bet 50 times in a row (and make a lot of people a lot of money). it is also entirely possible to crap out on two tosses.

it is really a bad analogy that sounds cool.

2008-07-29 18:04:51
4.   larry slimfast
[crap shoot] you guys are way over analyzing something that is mostly just an expression.
2008-07-29 18:05:17
5.   OaklandAs
From the last thread...

Since MLB went to the present playoff format in 1995, the team with the better regular season record has gone 44-43 in postseason series.

The team with the best regular season record has won the World Series twice (2008 Red Sox, 1998 Yankees).

2008-07-29 18:06:13
6.   fanerman
3 For what it's worth, I've always taken the "crapshoot" analogy to mean that any team that gets in the playoffs has a chance of winning. Perhaps not an equal chance, but a respectable chance nonetheless. It's always seemed to be a fair enough assessment to me.
2008-07-29 18:06:25
7.   Bob Timmermann
I think everyone is forgetting the biggest news of the day:

Scott Podsednik is now on the DL for the Rockies.

2008-07-29 18:06:44
8.   fanerman
4 This is Dodger Thoughts. "overanalyze" is what we do.
2008-07-29 18:07:34
9.   Fallout
A crapshoot makes it sound like the playoffs might as well be played on an APBA board. I still have mine in my garage from when I was a teenager.
2008-07-29 18:08:43
10.   LogikReader
Humbug summarizes the two Texeira trades nicely. LOL
2008-07-29 18:09:46
11.   KG16
sorry, the (semi-)professional gambler in me loves this kind of stuff.

just be glad they didn't ask a legal question.

2008-07-29 18:10:42
12.   Bob Timmermann
11
Do you want to evaluate my disciplinary action that I filed against my cat?
2008-07-29 18:11:34
13.   KG16
12 - heh.
2008-07-29 18:12:30
14.   Alex41592
In the ninth at Fenway.
2008-07-29 18:12:59
15.   KG16
Lackey has thrown 96 pitches through 8 interesting innings, do you bring him back for the ninth?

(yes, i am aware of how a dumb that question is)

2008-07-29 18:13:46
16.   MollyKnight
Is ESPN going to switch over to the Red Sox/Angel game for the ninth?

Related: what's with interesting games and Fenway lately? It's not exactly a pitcher's park..

2008-07-29 18:19:34
17.   underdog
7 Bigger than the Farve Fax™?
2008-07-29 18:20:24
18.   Zak
So, is tall Chris Young going to do the Bums a favor tonight? Coz with Johnson vs Cain, we might need some help. Kevin Towers said recently, to paraphrase, it's a good night in the NL West when you have an off day because there is a good chance you will make up some ground. We really should have won last night... but then we really should have lost Kuroda start against AZ, and I'll take that win over last night's loss.
2008-07-29 18:20:53
19.   MollyKnight
Oh goodie. ESPN is going to break away from an exciting World Series of Poker repeat to show the ninth. Yah.
2008-07-29 18:21:26
20.   larry slimfast
8 lim x-> mundane (over-analyze / x) ≈ pedantic
2008-07-29 18:22:31
21.   GoBears
4. larry slimfast
[crap shoot] you guys are way over analyzing something that is mostly just an expression.

The problem, as so often, is that different people mean different things when using that expression. I think KG16 has it just right.

Some people mean "anything can happen."
Others mean "any outcome is equally likely."

The first is (trivially) true.
The second is obviously false.

But most importantly, the term is vague because of those two possible interpretations, so it's worth asking someone what they mean when they use it.

How many arguments, to say nothing of sports arguments, occur because those arguing are talking past each other, using one term to mean two (or more) different things?

As for me, I'll take precision over vagueness, thank you.

2008-07-29 18:23:16
22.   Alex41592
Bottom of the ninth at Fenway.
2008-07-29 18:25:03
23.   underdog
Of course, the one time I actually wish ESPN was showing a Red Sox game and they're showing the rerun of the Home Run Derby. Whoop de doo.
2008-07-29 18:25:52
24.   underdog
19 Oh cool! Never mind me then, and thanks for the tip. Switching away from ESPN News then.
2008-07-29 18:26:04
25.   trainwreck
Ron Artest will be traded to the Rockets on August 14th, when they are able to deal Donte Greene.
2008-07-29 18:26:05
26.   D4P
Probable ESPN headline:

"Red Sox Make History"

2008-07-29 18:26:24
27.   Tripon
one out.
2008-07-29 18:26:45
28.   larry slimfast
pedroia!
2008-07-29 18:26:46
29.   underdog
Ahhhhhhhhhh. I guess that was my fault then? Or ESPN's.

Figures.

2008-07-29 18:27:26
30.   Alex41592
Pedroia spoils the party. Boston rejoices. Until they realize they're down by 6. Make that 4.
2008-07-29 18:27:30
31.   larry slimfast
youk!
2008-07-29 18:28:07
32.   KG16
no longer interesting in Boston, now just a beat down.

25 - Yao, McGrady, and Artest? It's about time to break up the Western Conference, isn't it?

2008-07-29 18:30:46
33.   Tripon
I read in the previous thread that now Indians prospect Carlos Santana had three strike outs in his first game within the Indians minor league system. Is it wrong to cheer that Santana chokes so he doesn't bite us in the tuss 5 years from now?
2008-07-29 18:32:42
34.   Gagne55
29 To think that you had any effect at all on whether the Red Sox got a hit is pretty arogant.
2008-07-29 18:33:06
35.   PalmdaleSteve1
More good news from tonight's lineup, Andruw sits again tonight!
2008-07-29 18:33:36
36.   Gagne55
Also, to say that ESPN had any effect at all on that is almost dietizing ESPN.
2008-07-29 18:33:43
37.   D4P
Andy LaRoche is not in the lineup for Las Vegas tonight.

That is all.

2008-07-29 18:34:37
38.   Gagne55
35 So Jon was right ... for now at least.
2008-07-29 18:35:18
39.   Alex41592
Andre Ethier vs. Matt Cain:

10 for 16

However, all hits were singles. And he's batting third tonight.

2008-07-29 18:35:26
40.   larry slimfast
21 I would prefer not to engage in baseball conversation with someone that actually thinks that any playoff "outcome is equally likely." I seriously doubt anyone here thinks that.
2008-07-29 18:37:53
41.   Bumsrap
Based on exit poll interviews, 40 has predicted a world series winner.
2008-07-29 18:39:48
42.   bigcpa
37 I just checked the wire and the first name I see is "LaRoche...... on DL with muscle strain." As in Adam.
2008-07-29 18:39:59
43.   Jon Weisman
34 - Is that attitude really necessary?
2008-07-29 18:40:09
44.   Tripon
37 Trade, or callup back to the Dodgers?
2008-07-29 18:40:31
45.   Gagne55
41 Boston Red Sox?
2008-07-29 18:41:02
46.   Bumsrap
How many other Division contenders have a clean up hitter hitting .249 and 43 RBI and the Manager thinking out of the present?
2008-07-29 18:41:45
47.   D4P
44
Or just not playing for some reason. I don't know, but I think it's at least "kinda weird" that he hasn't played yet.
2008-07-29 18:41:57
48.   underdog
34 Uh, it's not I literally thought that, but it's just a reference to the nerves that come about jinx possibilities when it comes to no-hitters. I think we're all a little jinx-conscious around these parts. And the entire concept of jinxing is both arrogant and illogical, but that doesn't seem to stop the existence of Rule 9 on DT.
2008-07-29 18:42:55
49.   regfairfield
46 I'm still sticking with "Joe Torre is being really progressive and paying attention to Kent's PrOPS".

It helps me get through the day.

2008-07-29 18:44:48
50.   underdog
Didn't notice 'til now that Adam Everett was actually DFA'd today. So if the Dodgers are still looking for cheap SS insurance after he clears waivers, that's another possibility, as the team stockpiles mediocre SS's. (But at least he can field better than Berroa.)
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2008-07-29 18:45:46
51.   berkowit28
35 Yes, for everyone who thought that Jones' pinch hit last night meant an immediate return today - you were wrong. When Torre finally can bring himself to hurt a PVL's feelings for good reason, he does seem to stick with it for a little while anyway. I'm sure Jones will make appearances, though.

Now who exactly would be sitting LaRoche every day in Vegas? OK, DeWitt is getting 3rd, and I guess Hu is doing so well at 2nd (or is he SS there?) that they want to keep playing him. But still, who would be calling the shots on LaRoche? Colletti, local Vegas manager, some organization Director who gets his cues from Colletti and Torre?

2008-07-29 18:45:51
52.   GoBears
36 dietizing

Good one.

2008-07-29 18:46:56
53.   underdog
The Pee Wee Chat transcript is up now, btw.

http://tinyurl.com/6m79pl

I hadn't seen the first question 'til now:
>>toby111213: Q: How was the earthquake for you?
Young: It was my alarm clock. I was in bed sleeping and at first I thought it was construction because they're working across the street. LaRoche was running through the house screaming and hollering. But this wasn't my first rodeo, so I never really got out of bed.<<

So LaRoche is his roommate? Maybe we can ask DY where Andy is!

2008-07-29 18:50:23
54.   D4P
53
LaRoche is in LA with Young...? I knew something weird was going on...
2008-07-29 18:51:10
55.   Alex41592
Nomar took BP and is available to pinch hit.
2008-07-29 18:52:34
56.   Tripon
46 D'Backs are having a guy who has a .239 BA, and a .305 OBP batting in the 2nd spot. (Chris Young) Does that count?
2008-07-29 18:55:30
57.   Bob Timmermann
The 150:1s are looking to have a good day as the Red Sox have lost and the Yankees are falling further behind the O's.
2008-07-29 18:56:00
58.   Branch Rickey
Pertaining to the "Crap shoot" discussion...
Has anyone here read this book? http://tinyurl.com/5cnwgg
Has a fascinating discussion of Maris hitting 61 HRs and how it would have been expected by purely random chance to happen by somebody at some point. It's only one chapter but the whole book throws a pretty twist on the outcome of baseball games.
2008-07-29 18:56:15
59.   bhsportsguy
54 Vegas team is scheduled to go on the road starting tomorrow in Oklahoma, maybe they just told him to hang out in LA for a few days and then he can travel with the team or on his own.
2008-07-29 18:56:57
60.   D4P
59
But why treat him differently from DeWitt...?
2008-07-29 18:57:11
61.   bhsportsguy
55 I guess baseball activities started a little earlier.
2008-07-29 18:58:06
62.   Louis in SF
LaRoche did not play last night either despite it being an extra inning game. Looks like to me that LaRoche will not play until Thursday, when he will either be in LA playing for the Dodgers or will be with someone else has part of a trade. I think they want to have the roster spot open, and that is why Nomar has not gone on the DL. Given his body, age and history and the actual injury, strikes me that something is up.
2008-07-29 18:59:33
63.   underdog
60 DeWitt was sent down a day earlier, no? And was probably informed even earlier than that, so it was early enough for him to join Vegas for their current series. Just guessing, though.
2008-07-29 18:59:58
64.   bhsportsguy
60 Who knows, maybe they didn't decide to activate Sweeney until Sunday morning. Maybe Andy had some personal stuff to deal with. Or maybe he was going to leave after the game on Sunday and then Nomar got hurt so decided to hold off until they knew how bad it was.

Its probably some combo of all that.

2008-07-29 19:00:40
65.   Alex41592
55 = In addition, Torre called Nomar earlier today and asked him if he wanted to go on the DL. Nomar said no.
2008-07-29 19:01:21
66.   bhsportsguy
62 Its been reported by an eyewitness (Delwyn Young) that Andy LaRoche was still in LA as of 11:42 a.m. PDT.
2008-07-29 19:03:01
67.   CanuckDodger
59 -- I bet that DeWitt and LaRoche, like Kershaw when he was demoted, were both told to take a couple days off before reporting to the minors, but DeWitt being a "ballplayer," said "No, I got to go help my new team right away."
2008-07-29 19:03:02
68.   Bob Hendley
Pee Wee and Andy are roommies! I am guessing that Weird Game lives alone.
2008-07-29 19:04:14
69.   trainwreck
Did the Angels get rid of Rex Hudler?
2008-07-29 19:04:57
70.   D4P
Short and Tall Chris Youngs will battle it out tonight in San Diego.
2008-07-29 19:05:31
71.   Fallout
I think that one of them is getting married in LA and the other is the best man.
2008-07-29 19:06:05
72.   Tripon
Guess the guys on the team like Andruw Jones well enough. I will now make a crazy prediction.

Jeff Kent gets two hits tonight.

2008-07-29 19:06:08
73.   Alex41592
70 - Bob is ALL over that!
2008-07-29 19:06:16
74.   scooplew
I don't know if this was covered last night, but yesterday was the first time this season that Sweeney and Jones had an RBI in the same game, and the second time this season they both a hit in the same game.
2008-07-29 19:08:01
75.   mrboma
69 - I think Rex Hudler has been shifted to radio only.
2008-07-29 19:09:49
76.   Bob Timmermann
The Angels alternate Hudler/Physioc and Markas/Gubicza on TV.
2008-07-29 19:10:32
77.   Tripon
Heh.

Vin: At 3rd is the Veteran Rich Arliria. At Shortstop the even more veteran Omar Visquel.

2008-07-29 19:10:43
78.   Hallux Valgus
part of me wishes that Pee Wee and LaRoche and Kemp and Loney could all live in a house together for a reality show. Ethier could take them out for dinner. Sweeney could be in charge of cleaning the house.

If Fox still owned the team, this would already be reality.

2008-07-29 19:10:47
79.   mrboma
Texiera going to the Angels mean the Dodgers wont be selling their souls to get him. That's a good thing in my book. Honestly, I don't see how he is an upgrade for the Angels.
2008-07-29 19:11:48
80.   trainwreck
Looks like pitchers are going to get the high strike tonight.
2008-07-29 19:13:29
81.   mrboma
21 3rd basemen in the last 4 years? Makes me almost long for Beltre.
2008-07-29 19:13:35
82.   Alex41592
Wow. Great play by Casey.
2008-07-29 19:14:18
83.   underdog
Nice pick, Zoot!
2008-07-29 19:15:41
84.   D4P
Randy Winn has stolen 20 bases this season and been caught once.
2008-07-29 19:15:53
85.   underdog
78 Heh. Yeah, or -- Earlier here someone (Toy?) suggested an animated series, animated versions of the young guys - I can see it done 70s Hanna Barbera style.
2008-07-29 19:18:26
86.   D4P
I wonder if the Giants will ever realize that Molina is not only not a good cleanup hitter, but not a good hitter in general.

Probably not.

2008-07-29 19:18:58
87.   trainwreck
Giants have a campaign:

What Would a Gamer Do?

2008-07-29 19:19:33
88.   underdog
The Giants announcers just predicted a shutout today for Cain? Or did I mis-hear that?
2008-07-29 19:20:09
89.   underdog
87 - They rejected "The Giants: The Gamiest Team in the West!"
2008-07-29 19:20:26
90.   Hallux Valgus
85 NO! Like ProStars:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0149510/

Tagline:
It's all about helping kids.

perfect.

2008-07-29 19:20:55
91.   Bob Hendley
85 - And yesterday someone wanted to match muppets with players! What a show business crowd.
2008-07-29 19:21:01
92.   Tripon
Is Ethier batting 3rd tonight because Torre trusts me, or is it because he thought the kid was due after screwing around with him the past week?
2008-07-29 19:21:25
93.   Hallux Valgus
89 you've just got to marinate them right
2008-07-29 19:22:18
94.   Tripon
Well, the Casey Blake trade is working currently right now.
2008-07-29 19:22:33
95.   scareduck
79 - he's got better power and at the moment better plate discipline. But I'm not sure I like this deal over the longer haul. The Angels have made several Win Now moves in the last couple moves, one of which is a flat-out bust (Gary Matthews, Jr.).
2008-07-29 19:22:33
96.   mrboma
92 - I think it's about the match-up.
2008-07-29 19:22:54
97.   Eric L
50 I wouldn't mind seeing the Dodgers pick up Everett. IIRC, the defensive metrics rated him very well when he was in Houston. He can't hit a lick, but neither can Berroa.
2008-07-29 19:23:23
98.   Hallux Valgus
92 Obviously, it's because Ethier's name came up when he spun the big line up wheel in his office.

I am 100% positive that there's a wheel. Kent's name is written in the nail through the center that allows it to spin (axis? I'm stupid)

2008-07-29 19:23:38
99.   Tripon
That's a good error.
2008-07-29 19:23:49
100.   Alex41592
92 - The matchup (10 for 16 vs. Cain) and the fact that Martin and Nomar are both not starting.
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2008-07-29 19:23:55
101.   underdog
91 I think some of us, myself included, are clearly regressing. Soon I'll be wearing pajamas with feet and ordering things from the backs of comic books.
2008-07-29 19:25:32
102.   Bob Hendley
Get out there Joe!
2008-07-29 19:25:33
103.   mrboma
You don't run on the Molina brothers.
2008-07-29 19:25:46
104.   Tripon
Well, that sucked. Better luck next time Bison.
2008-07-29 19:25:48
105.   Gen3Blue
He was safe, but it was a very good throw and play, and thats the way it goes.
2008-07-29 19:25:58
106.   ucladodger
Took a perfect throw and a bad call to get him.

That sucks.

2008-07-29 19:25:58
107.   Alex41592
11 for 17.
2008-07-29 19:26:19
108.   silverwidow
Ethier now hitting .647 against Cain.
2008-07-29 19:26:19
109.   MonkeyBlue
Too bad Bison was thrown out. Ethier owns Cainster!
2008-07-29 19:26:38
110.   Hallux Valgus
101 between my basketball team giving way my favorite player, and the Dodgers doing, um, whatever it is they think they're doing it, I'm almost fully regressed. I might try to buy some Garbage Pail Kids cards tomorrow.

but yay! Spaced is out on American DVD!

2008-07-29 19:26:53
111.   Tripon
Hit number one for Kent. That one was due.
2008-07-29 19:27:13
112.   Gen3Blue
A good call and we score already.
2008-07-29 19:27:40
113.   mrboma
105 106 - Replay shows he was out. Tag hit the uniform, but the uniform is part of the body.
2008-07-29 19:27:51
114.   Hallux Valgus
110 also proof: that awesome spelling and grammar.
2008-07-29 19:28:27
115.   Tripon
Looks like UCLA and USC can wear their home jerseys for their game this year.
2008-07-29 19:28:27
116.   MonkeyBlue
Ugh... opportunity went down the popper.
2008-07-29 19:28:30
117.   alex 7
anyone notice how TINY Matt Kemp's leads are at first base? How do coaches not notice this and fix it?
2008-07-29 19:28:33
118.   overkill94
Dang, nice rope by Weird Game
2008-07-29 19:30:28
119.   Gen3Blue
Though we didn't score, we will get some more at bats from this inning. But we have that large black hole. And Johnson got hit hard a few times.
2008-07-29 19:30:43
120.   Tripon
113 Obviously, Kemp should try to steal 2nd without any clothes on.
2008-07-29 19:32:15
121.   underdog
I thought Kemp was safe, that he was never tagged, but the Giants announcers claimed the tag nipped the bill of the cap. Whatever, it was close, but another close play, like last nights series of them, and they would be up 1-0. Oh well, them's the breaks.

110 Hallux, I (heart) Spaced as well:
http://tinyurl.com/5qc825

2008-07-29 19:32:51
122.   trainwreck
115
Where did you see that?
2008-07-29 19:34:49
123.   Bob Timmermann
122
Brian Dohn says it would happen for NEXT year's game.
2008-07-29 19:34:50
124.   trainwreck
121
I love the running Twit joke.
2008-07-29 19:36:17
125.   underdog
William H Macy is in da house! And he looks like a homeless dude. Maybe he's playing a homeless dude in a movie.
2008-07-29 19:36:25
126.   Tripon
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Desperate-housewife-runs-loose-at-Dodger-Stadium?urn=mlb,96663

Nicollette Sheridan(I know a couple of you were going gaga over her.) shaking hands with Russell Martin, who either has a full on blush, or is just came back from a hard day in the gym. And Sheridan wearing a I love Joe Torre's wife beater while Joe looks like a pimp.

2008-07-29 19:36:34
127.   bhsportsguy
Did you know that Rich Auerilla was once a stage manager for the New York Metropolitan Opera?
2008-07-29 19:36:44
128.   mrboma
I'm liking the replays tonight; some great shots. First the replay showing the tag on Bison's steal. Then the overhead showing how far inside the strikout pitch was.
2008-07-29 19:36:49
129.   underdog
Actually he looks like Scruffy the Janitor.