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July 30 Game Chat

2008-07-30 18:12

by Jon Weisman

Giants at Dodgers, 7:10 p.m.

Comments (381)

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2008-07-30 18:17:05

1. Humma Kavula

As I listen, the Baseball Project album is making the leap from pretty great to actually great.

2008-07-30 18:18:53

2. the2pin

Rule #2? I attacked no poster. I was attached for suggesting an (in these parts) unconventional strategy. I'm not being argumentative -- I'm not trying to, anyway. My belief in the mediocrity of this team is deeply and honestly felt. I want the best, but I question whether their best is good enough. Hyperbole and sarcasm? Are these not two of the most effective methods of communication? Is it hyperbole to question why the Dodgers have been ineffective in the playoffs for twenty years? That's not hyperbole, it's reality. Perhaps your rules are obfuscating your eyes.

I'm gone for the night. Goodnight, all.

2008-07-30 18:19:08

3. Michael D

I always try to make it a point to watch Billingsley games so I hope we get a treat tonight. Hopefully this is another start to us simply calling him #1.

2008-07-30 18:19:09

4. Alex41592

Really interesting albeit far fetched rumor from ESPN:

Manny to the Marlins for Jeremy Hermida, Ryan Tucker and Mike Stanton they would then spin them off to Pittsburgh for Jason Bay.

2008-07-30 18:20:17

5. Icaros

Another DT martyr come and gone.

2008-07-30 18:28:41

6. imperabo

Hyperbole is the most awesome and effective debating force in the history of this or any other universe.

2008-07-30 18:29:37

7. imperabo

And sarcasm is twice as good.

2008-07-30 18:30:09

8. Bob Timmermann

6
I've always found it to be a bit of a crapshoot.

2008-07-30 18:30:48

9. RIYank

4 That's all over the air waves. Why far-fetched? The question, I guess, is why the Marlins want to end up with an incredibly expensive, old player. Maybe Boston pays a bunch of his salary?

2008-07-30 18:31:15

10. skybluesky

1 I had the same reaction with the Baseball Project CD, at first it's just kind of a fun little novelty, but the more you listen, the more you realize how good it is. The Dodger-related songs are very cool, too. Only problem is the one about Fernando is sung completely in Spanish, so I have no idea what the words are.

2008-07-30 18:32:02

11. Bob Timmermann

9
The Marlins wouldn't have to pay much since the season is close to over and he might just get the Marlins into first place in the NL Middlin' East.

2008-07-30 18:32:05

12. Alex41592

9 - I think you answered your own question. That's happening a lot around here lately.

2008-07-30 18:33:33

13. MC Safety

"Are you under the impression we have a pipeline to the front office?" is the answer/question a commenter gets when asking if there were any rumblings on the power bat front.

I knew Jon hated the deadline, but yikes.

2008-07-30 18:33:46

14. Tripon

Is Boston can get Bay for Manny, that is a fantastic return for him. The Red Sox needs to get rid of Manny if only because Boston is addicted to Manny's sweet words of Manny Being Manny. (As for Gammon's saying its all Manny's fault, who the hell gave out info that Manny's intentionally checked out for a strike out a couple of weeks ago? You're telling me the Red Sox didn't leak that to make Manny look like a jerk?) There's no good or bad guy in the Manny Daytime soap, just two sides who just need to stay away from each other.

2008-07-30 18:35:37

15. max power

I'm not swayed by any kind of attack that doesn't involve someone being called sheeple.

In this case, I would have preferred "Perhaps your rules are obfuscating the eyes of you sheeple"

or possibly

"Perhaps your rules are obfuscating your sheeple eyes."

2008-07-30 18:37:04

16. KG16

8 - Slowly, I turn... step by step...

2008-07-30 18:37:18

17. Alex41592

Mike Jacobs is out of the game in Florida.

2008-07-30 18:39:16

18. Bob Timmermann

17
Wouldn't that just be a regular defensive replacement? Who would want Mike Jacobs?

2008-07-30 18:39:20

19. RIYank

11 True. And, if he makes the difference between post-season and no post-season, he more than pays for that salary.

So, if it does make some financial sense for Florida, why is the rumor far-fetched, 4 and 12 ?

2008-07-30 18:40:39

20. trainwreck

Newest rumor is that Jack Wilson is now involved in the three-way deal.

Yes, make sure Ned can't trade for him.

2008-07-30 18:41:34

21. Alex41592

18 - Why, the Giants of course according to Will Carroll. It would be for Bengie Molina, but that's just speculation.

2008-07-30 18:41:43

22. Travis08

17 Mike Jacobs leaves a lot of games early for defensive or platoon reasons - in July, he's only completed 7 of the 20 games he started.

2008-07-30 18:41:45

23. Wilbert Robinson

Who would want Mike Jacobs?

............uh-oh.

2008-07-30 18:42:59

24. larry slimfast

8 How do the outcomes line up with the possibilities in a hyperbole crapshoot?

2008-07-30 18:43:31

25. Who Is Karim Garcia

How hot is Erin Andrews?

Which 3 team deal is Wilson involved in?

2008-07-30 18:44:25

26. trainwreck

25
Very, even though she's a Gator.

The Manny/Bay/Hermida one.

2008-07-30 18:44:34

27. Wilbert Robinson

24. It is more like padugi than craps, IMO.

2008-07-30 18:45:14

28. Alex41592

19 - Because, I heard Steve Phillips give this rumor at first. So, I had reason to be skeptical. This rumor is picking up steam but sorry if I think Manny won't be traded. I only have seen this movie 4 to 5 times before.

2008-07-30 18:45:58

29. RIYank

18 When I heard that a large bucket of baseballs was removed from the Astros game, I knew Cashman had traded LaTroy Hawkins.

2008-07-30 18:47:05

30. Jon Weisman

13 - I guess I didn't know how to respond to the question, "Are the Dodgers in on any trades?" Of course, they're in discussions, yet how can you respond to that question without bringing up rumors that probably have no basis in reality.

But I guess the verdict is that I was at fault. Comment 73 in the last thread threw me for a loop, as it took my "I don't know" and turned it into something else, considering I've espoused none of the three opinions about Ethier, Hu and Schmidt the commenter suggested.

But I guess I overreacted, so I apologize.

2008-07-30 18:47:38

31. Wilbert Robinson

27. Badugi?

2008-07-30 18:47:48

32. RIYank

28 Ah, I didn't know Steve Phillips was reporting it! In that case, I'm with you, 10 to 1 against.

2008-07-30 18:48:33

33. Jon Weisman

13 - By the way, I don't hate the trading deadline at all. I just hate bad journalism and the effect it has on people. The fact that I admit that I don't have inside information on the Dodgers - I don't know how that gets translated as "Jon hates the trading deadline" or "Jon doesn't want the Dodgers to improve."

2008-07-30 18:49:21

34. Jon Weisman

33 - Or, just to head it off, "Jon likes 'Becker.' "

2008-07-30 18:52:15

35. the2pin

It's all good. I apologize as well. This team is frustrating sometimes, to say the least. I do enjoy a good bit of hyperbole, though. It adds some flavor, I think, to otherwise trite internet dialogue.

2008-07-30 18:52:49

36. Bumsrap

AS we all know, the Dodger rotation is now Billingsley, Kuroda, Kershaw, Johnson, and Lowe. Penny might not make it back this year. Schmidt most likely will not make it back this year. Kuroda might be hurt. Park and Stultz are the backups.

Is a Maddix or Byrd acquisition for precaution or might the Dodgers trade Lowe?

2008-07-30 18:54:52

37. regfairfield

I wouldn't be happy if we got a starting pitcher.

2008-07-30 18:56:43

38. RIYank

The Commissioner's Office has been informed of a deal involving Pittsburgh, Boston, Florida.

Commish approval required, that means a bunch of cash. Presumably the Sox will pay Manny's salary.

2008-07-30 18:56:52

39. Wilbert Robinson

36 Penny is minutes away from taking the mound in his first rehab start for the 66ers. He is scheduled to take the mound again for the 51s on the 4th and could take over Johnson's slot in the rotation on the 9th if all goes well. Maybe a strong rehab start tonight influences how aggressively the D's pursue a deal for an arm before the deadline?

2008-07-30 18:58:26

40. Bumsrap

39 - I will thus root for Penny more than I usually care to do.

2008-07-30 19:00:09

41. Bumsrap

Medium Seo Glass Vase for $38.00 Alex.

2008-07-30 19:00:21

42. larry slimfast

39 If Penny tanks, will the Dodgers 86 the prospects for some 30 somethings and place it's future in file 13?

2008-07-30 19:00:38

43. therickdaddy

39 -- I believe Penny is not going to do that start. It was announced he would be in Oklahoma on Saturday for just one rehab start.

2008-07-30 19:00:55

44. larry slimfast

its not it's

2008-07-30 19:04:05

45. KG16

some days, when I look at the Dodgers line up and pitching staff, I get bummed out that the Stadium isn't as pitcher friendly as it use to be.

kind of like the conversation Dave G had last night.

2008-07-30 19:04:55

46. Wilbert Robinson

43. yeah oops Garate is pitching for the 66ers. Thats what I get for believing what I read in the Inland Empire 66ers MILB.com news section.

2008-07-30 19:05:00

47. D4P

ESPN.com tells me to "brace (my)self, Manny talks are said to be 'serious.'"

I sure hope I'm sitting down if that trade goes through...

2008-07-30 19:07:26

48. Alex41592

The Giants are going super veteran tonight.

Roberts, Castillo, Winn, Molina, Rowand, Bowker (lone exception), Aurilia, Vizquel

2008-07-30 19:07:36

49. KG16

47 - how sweet would it be for both the the Red Sox and the Yankees to miss the playoffs? (no offense RIYank). Or would the post-season chat be nothing but "how could both the yankess and red sox miss the playoffs?" or some variation thereof?

2008-07-30 19:07:38

50. Ken Noe

ESPN: Everything Sox, Patriots, New York.

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2008-07-30 19:07:50

51. Ian Capilouto

38 So I am guessing Bay to Boston, Florida's prospects to Pittsburgh, Manny to Florida. If true, that would be an interesting trade.

2008-07-30 19:08:14

52. Ken Noe

48 Like Frodo, Ned aches to slip on the ring....

2008-07-30 19:08:45

53. Fallout

Maybe Pierre is not in the starting lineup tonight because he's involved in a trade for Manny? Ahh, maybe not...

2008-07-30 19:08:48

54. Michael D

Will Carroll at BP is reporting the Manny deal is done pending getting all the approval done:

Marlins get Manny Ramirez, one prospect (BOS), and cash (likely Ramirez's remaining salary)
Pirates get Jeremy Hermida and three prospects (two FLO, one BOS)
Red Sox get Jason Bay and John Grabow

2008-07-30 19:09:16

55. MonkeyBlue

Well at least the Dodgers don't have any more games against the Marlins.

2008-07-30 19:09:23

56. Wilbert Robinson

47 According to rotoworld Will Carroll says:

http://tinyurl.com/5dvvnj

bp link won't load though...

2008-07-30 19:09:24

57. RIYank

49 No worries.

But who would be the wild card? Oakland? Deserving, I admit.

2008-07-30 19:10:23

58. KG16

57 - the twins are just a game back, looking at the standings.

2008-07-30 19:12:15

59. MonkeyBlue

Roberts will not have a good time against Bills... this time!

2008-07-30 19:12:45

60. Alex41592

Rosenthal says Dodgers put Maddux deal on hold to work on other deals. Money is the hangup. Padres want us to pay the rest of the contract and we don't want to pay any money.

2008-07-30 19:13:01

61. trainwreck

57
Twins or White Sox.

2008-07-30 19:13:38

62. Andrew Shimmin

34- Way to step on my bit!

2008-07-30 19:16:01

63. regfairfield

54 Obviously whoever "prospects" are makes all the difference but it sure seems like the Pirates got screwed again.

2008-07-30 19:16:20

64. trainwreck

I'm the Billz
The big bad Billz
The strikeout monsteeerr.

2008-07-30 19:16:49

65. thinkblue88

Wow, Bills blowin' 'em away on fastball fastball fastball.

2008-07-30 19:17:02

66. MC Safety

33 The guy mentioned Jeff Kent not cutting it in the cleanup spot. That's not the mark of a person under the influence of bad journalism. I was probably just confusing hating the trading deadline and distracting ones self from the trading deadline, as the title of the last thread suggested. Considering how ridiculous his one post was, I sort of question what I'm even typing right now, I just thought the reaction to the initial topic he brought up was a tad harsh.

2008-07-30 19:17:06

67. trainwreck

63
They apparently get Mike Stanton who gets a lot of acclaim.

2008-07-30 19:17:09

68. Wilbert Robinson

63. According to the BP article the prospects have yet to be decided on

2008-07-30 19:17:14

69. Alex41592

Leadoff HR Jody Gerut. 1-0 Padres Bot 1.

2008-07-30 19:18:01

70. KG16

scoring the first inning: 4-3, K, K.

now, just 8 more like that, please.

2008-07-30 19:18:32

71. Icaros

What do they want with a 50-year-old LOOGY?

2008-07-30 19:18:37

72. regfairfield

67 I'm sure that's a different Mike Stanton, right?

2008-07-30 19:19:08

73. trainwreck

Yes, this guy is a young outfielder in Single-A.

2008-07-30 19:19:24

74. Andrew Shimmin

Hermida will hit 30 home runs this year.

Book it.

2008-07-30 19:20:06

75. overkill94

67 How can a 40-something journeyman reliever get a lot of acclaim? ;)

2008-07-30 19:20:18

76. RIYank

67 Someone from the Marlins' org denies that Stanton was involved.

Also, Peter Gammons says that the deal is not close to done, and is so complicated that it will likely continue through Thursday.

2008-07-30 19:20:24

77. trainwreck

Now that is how you lead-off!

2008-07-30 19:20:25

78. thinkblue88

Bison Patience.

2008-07-30 19:20:33

79. Alex41592

Leadoff walk for Kemp. Excellent.

2008-07-30 19:20:56

80. Michael D

Bison knows how to lead off. Just pointing that out to various people in the organization who seem to not know this.

2008-07-30 19:21:13

81. KG16

one would posit that throwing many fast balls to Matt Kemp is not an ideal way to get him out.

2008-07-30 19:21:33

82. Dexter Fishmore

Matt Kemp is freaking good at baseball.

2008-07-30 19:23:20

83. Alex41592

2-0 Padres on a sac fly.

2008-07-30 19:24:14

84. Ken Noe

This Kemp kid could hit leadoff if JP ended up, say, in Chicago.

2008-07-30 19:24:23

85. larry slimfast

interesting that Rotoworld says Carroll is, "not normally one of our preferred sources."

2008-07-30 19:25:27

86. overkill94

Maybe we should have someone else start at 3B and then have Blake come in after said player has completed his first at-bat. Or does Blake have to always strike out in his first at-bat to get warmed up for following at-bats? The world may never know!

2008-07-30 19:25:42

87. Eric Stephen

Take this with a grain of salt, but on my ride home I heard a replay of a Bob Nightengale interview from this afternoon in which he said the Dodgers had a LaRoche for Huston Street deal done a couple weeks ago but backed out at the last minute due to concerns over Street's health.

2008-07-30 19:26:17

88. Alex41592

He may of struck out but he made him work.

2008-07-30 19:26:23

89. KG16

how many 20-20 guys have the Dodgers had?

2008-07-30 19:27:31

90. KG16

i'm on gameday, was Russ's 2-0 swing a normal swing or one of those ones he does where he nearly falls down trying to hit the ball to Fresno?

2008-07-30 19:27:57

91. trainwreck

Woo hoo!

2008-07-30 19:28:13

92. Icaros

Nice, Muscle.

2008-07-30 19:28:25

93. overkill94

89 Hopefully most of them. I'm guessing Gagne and Duaner weren't, but most other players would probably wear contacts.

2008-07-30 19:28:37

94. Alex41592

And the leadoff walk and stolen base from Kemp is cashed in by Martin. Baseball can be so beautiful.

2008-07-30 19:29:16

95. Eric Stephen

89
7 guys, 11 seasons. The last being Green in 2001.

http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/NV8m

2008-07-30 19:29:30

96. overkill94

We need to stop trying to run on this guy

2008-07-30 19:29:36

97. Alex41592

2-1 Padres Top 2.

2008-07-30 19:29:42

98. Jon Weisman

66 - "The guy mentioned Jeff Kent not cutting it in the cleanup spot. That's not the mark of a person under the influence of bad journalism."

I have no idea how I'm supposed to respond to this. Any comments he made about Kent were irrelevant to what I wrote.

The2pin was rather insistently, I felt, asking for information about trades, in a way I felt clearly meant a desire for the latest rumor.

2008-07-30 19:29:48

99. Icaros

Shut up, Krukow. You loser.

2008-07-30 19:30:11

100. Ken Noe

MEMO
TO: Joe Torre
FROM: Ken Noe
Re: Bison
Let him leadoff everyday Joe. Are you watching?

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2008-07-30 19:30:41

101. overkill94

Gotta give him a hit on that one. Not because Kent's on my fantasy team or anything...

2008-07-30 19:31:59

102. Gen3Blue

Nice throw indeed.

I was going to say that one of the most persistant images for me this year is Kemp actually running out from under his helmut on the bases--he is that fast.

2008-07-30 19:32:02

103. KG16

95 - two names I would not expect on that list: Kirk Gibson, Pedro Guerrero.

2008-07-30 19:32:19

104. overkill94

98 Basically, he was expecting what you get at a lot of other blogs where people are throwing trade ideas around left and right while living and dying by the latest Rosenthal-created rumor. Luckily, you have taught us better.

2008-07-30 19:33:52

105. Icaros

103

Really? Gibson? He was very fast. Played wide receiver for Michigan State.

2008-07-30 19:33:58

106. Wilbert Robinson

103 - Yeah I always forget that Gibson stole a lot of bases and am always suprised when reminded.

2008-07-30 19:34:33

107. Eric Stephen

93
That was funny, BTW.

2008-07-30 19:35:52

108. Eric Stephen

Nice catch Andruw.

2008-07-30 19:36:16

109. the2pin

98 Can we end this? This is beginning to sound childish, don't you think?

Matt Kemp continues to impress. Best player on the team, IMO.

2008-07-30 19:36:26

110. Icaros

And that is why I would still rather have Andruw start over Pierre.

2008-07-30 19:36:38

111. overkill94

107 Thanks for the sympathy props. I'm not normally quick enough to produce a Timmermann-like snarky-yet-technically-correct response to someone's honest question.

2008-07-30 19:37:10

112. KG16

105 - I just remember him hobbled, is all.

2008-07-30 19:37:26

113. Bob Hendley

What a break, Dru!

2008-07-30 19:38:29

114. Andrew Shimmin

Weird night.

I blame Gary Bennett.

2008-07-30 19:39:09

115. trainwreck

Damn, it's fun to watch Billingsley pitch.

2008-07-30 19:39:31

116. Eric Stephen

Brett Favre's agent is name Bus. He looks more like a Cooter.

2008-07-30 19:39:46

117. overkill94

Three doubles and two homers for Kelly Shoppach of the Indians tonight. I doubt you see that very often...

By the way, I just picked that guy up in my fantasy league two days ago. Booyah!

2008-07-30 19:39:50

118. Icaros

112

I understand. I think he actually hurt his knee in the '88 postseason while stealing a base. Anyone remember for sure?

2008-07-30 19:40:07

119. whodat807

110 Really? Pierre might not have the best glove and he may have a noodle arm, but by virtue of being merely offensively mediocre, he's far and away a better bat to have in the lineup than Jones and his quest to have the worst offensive season ever.

2008-07-30 19:40:44

120. Andrew Shimmin

If the magic titanium bracelet makers were smart, they'd bring ChiChi Rodriguez in to pitch them.

2008-07-30 19:41:07

121. larry slimfast

The Dodgers don't deserve Gary Bennett.

2008-07-30 19:41:11

122. trainwreck

No glasses for Amy tonight.

2008-07-30 19:41:21

123. Eric Stephen

118
It was Game 5 in the 9th inning, stealing 2B. He played the next two games, but in extreme pain.

2008-07-30 19:41:30

124. Wilbert Robinson

Article up on Dodgers.com about not being surprised if a trade were made (?). Anyway from the article:

Torre said the club had planned to promote Chin-lung Hu from Triple-A Las Vegas on Tuesday, but Garciaparra wanted a few days to see if he could heal.

http://tinyurl.com/5dln6m

2008-07-30 19:42:13

125. MonkeyBlue

Well what you know? Andruw still blows!

2008-07-30 19:42:18

126. Andrew Shimmin

121- I disagree. I think they deserve every bit of him. But I also think that justice is overrated.

2008-07-30 19:42:44

127. TheBigGrabowski

Billz is looking good tonight.

2008-07-30 19:43:16

128. Eric Stephen

117
Since 1956, only Garvey & Stargell have done it.

http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/5uA4

2008-07-30 19:44:41

129. Alex41592

From Dodgers.com:

"When you have young players, even if with the player you can get, you may not want to give up a young player who isn't as good as he's going to be," said Torre. "Those are the ground rules. Matt Kemp is good now and in a couple years he'll be special. Kemp may be better than the guy you're going to get, and that guy probably is making a ton of money. That's just good business sense there."

2008-07-30 19:45:56

130. Icaros

119

I just really hate Pierre as a player. He offers literally nothing, I feel. So I take Jones's defensive superiority and the fantasy that one