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*$475,000 Chad Billingsley
*$415,000 Clayton Kershaw
*$405,000 Eric Stults
*$400,000 James McDonald
*Total: $11,695,000

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*$1,300,000 Scott Proctor
*$1,500,000 Jonathan Broxton
*$425,000 Hong-Chih Kuo
*$420,000 Cory Wade
*$410,000 Ramon Troncoso
*$400,000 Scott Elbert
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*$3,000,000 Russell Martin
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*$600,000 Matt Kemp
*$600,000 James Loney
*$500,000 Angel Berroa
*$410,000 Blake DeWitt
*$400,000 Tony Abreu
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*$600,000 Jason Repko
*$410,000 Delwyn Young
*$400,000 Danny Ardoin
*$400,000 Chin-Lung Hu
Total: $11,810,000
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Steal This Game
2008-07-31 18:10
by Jon Weisman

Brandon Webb, you think you're so tough. And you are.

Diamondbacks at Dodgers, 7:10 p.m.

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Jeff Kent and Andre Ethier are out tonight with minor ailments, reports Tony Jackson of the Daily News.

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Comments today:
Shutout Sentral: 63
State of the Pitching: 710
The Big One: Manny Ramirez Coming: 723
Total: 1,496 and counting ...

Comments (544)
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2008-07-31 18:20:23
1.   Zak
3-0 Dodgers. book it.
2008-07-31 18:20:23
2.   Eric Enders
I will be considerably less nervous when we find whether we're barred from offering Manny arbitration. That's the whole key to whether this trade works or not.
2008-07-31 18:21:22
3.   sporky
Someone e-mailed the following to AM710:

(paraphrasing): "Manny, my mother-in-law is a traveling secretary. You can push her any time."

2008-07-31 18:21:46
4.   Zak
2 I think I've read that one of the conditions to the Dodgers declining to pick up his options is that Manny will decline arbitration and become a free agent. I'd be 75-80% sure that the Dodgers will get the two picks.
2008-07-31 18:22:03
5.   trainwreck
Asked if White was sad to see LaRoche go, he said, "Not at all."

What have they done to Logan White? Somebody slipped him the Kool-aid.

2008-07-31 18:22:15
6.   Eric Enders
So if the injured are really injured, then we've got a two-man bench tonight consisting of Mark Sweeney and Danny Ardoin.

But I guess Nomar could pinch hit and maybe the others can too.

2008-07-31 18:22:51
7.   Zak
Maybe we'll see Kuo pinch hit.
2008-07-31 18:23:16
8.   Tripon
Kent comes in to pitch hit, and Homers. It'll be Kirk Gibson all over again except Kent will get mad, and proceed to punch a guy for making a big deal of it.
2008-07-31 18:23:34
9.   Eric Enders
5 It could have been a political "Not at all," as in, "He wasn't going to play here, so we're glad to see him get the opportunity."

I'm not necessarily reading the comment as a summary judgment on LaRoche's future.

2008-07-31 18:23:50
10.   Zak
I wonder what kind of music Manny will make Kent and Kemp listen to.
2008-07-31 18:24:44
11.   Zak
5 My initial reaction to that comment was also more along the lines of, "Ah, good for him" than "no, he sucks".
2008-07-31 18:25:13
12.   Eric Stephen
For comparison:

9/18/06: 1065 comments

2008-07-31 18:25:21
13.   Jon Weisman
Leung offers no indication that the Dodgers can't arbitrize.

http://www.beloblog.com/Pe_Blogs/prosports/2008/07/dodgers-notes-3.html

"Ramirez's two $20 million options are now out the window in exchange for him agreeing to the trade. If the Dodgers offer him arbitration and he doesn't accept and leaves the team, they would receive two premium draft picks."

2008-07-31 18:25:30
14.   regfairfield
9 Yeah, but isn't there a standard "we wish him the best in his future endeavors" that doesn't make you look like a jerk.
2008-07-31 18:26:05
15.   Jon Weisman
Of course, maybe the jury's still out on that question.
2008-07-31 18:26:21
16.   berkowit28
5 I'm sure Andy is excited to be going somewhere where he might actually play on the major league team. White is probably just keeping a blank face about how excited Andy is to get out of Dodger land where he was unused, and maybe that White is himself sympathetic to Andy's point of view here - he may well agree. But can't say so.
2008-07-31 18:29:08
17.   trainwreck
Joe Torre better not tell Manny to cut his hair. That is where his power comes from.

And he probably would not be very receptive to it.

2008-07-31 18:29:16
18.   Louis in SF
As far as the roster spot, if they DL Nomar retro to July 28, he would be eligible to come back August 11. This gives Ned 10 days to put something through waivers, Jones perhaps or even Sweeney.
2008-07-31 18:29:57
19.   Gen3Blue
With the extra three hours on the coast, Manny could have made it for the game.
2008-07-31 18:32:13
20.   Tripon
Dodgers' pregame show is on FSN Prime, and Ned's speaking. ...Wow, he's a small guy.
2008-07-31 18:32:17
21.   MollyKnight
Ethier is sick tonight?

I'd probably feel like vomiting, too, if someone with Hall of Fame credentials were coming in to take my job.

2008-07-31 18:32:54
22.   MonkeyBlue
19. Its Manny though!
2008-07-31 18:34:11
23.   Eric Stephen
Oh man, ESPNews just showed some Dodger reactions, and as Loney was talking, the screen said "Matt Kemp"!!!

Molly, can you use your ESPN powers to let someone know?

2008-07-31 18:34:40
24.   Luis Chavez
"Peter Abraham says Manny's team options were removed and he has agreed to decline arbitration."

http://tinyurl.com/6qylhj

2008-07-31 18:35:06
25.   LeeLacy
16 I'm sure Andy is excited to be going somewhere where he might actually play on the major league team.

And if Andy is someday lucky enough to get traded away by the Pirates, that dream may still come true.

2008-07-31 18:35:08
26.   regfairfield
19 The trade was announced at 1:15ish and it's a five hour flight from Boston. Unless you're assuming it takes him zero minutes to pack, get to the airport, leave the airport, and get ready for the game, he wasn't playing.
2008-07-31 18:35:33
27.   Eric Enders
21 Well, I hear Murray Chass needs a job now...

I kid.

2008-07-31 18:35:36
28.   trainwreck
23
No one on ESPN can say Andre Ethier.
2008-07-31 18:36:19
29.   Tripon
Ned says they haven't decided yet who out of the 25.
2008-07-31 18:36:28
30.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Ned's rug is horrible.
2008-07-31 18:36:52
31.   Eric Stephen
28
Ethier? I was talking about Kemp and Loney.

To be fair, at least the projected lineup shown on ESPNews had a Dodger OF of Manny, Kemp, and Ethier.

2008-07-31 18:36:54
32.   GoBears
How good will those draft picks be? There are probably only a few teams that can afford Ramirez, and they're all good teams.

Well, except for Baltimore, and Ramirez is still too good for them to want him.

My guess would be Yankees, Mets, or Tigers.
Probably one of the AL teams, who can DH him as his defense turns from awful to criminal.

2008-07-31 18:38:32
33.   Eric Stephen
For one of the first times ever, my Extra Innings (via Time Warner) is giving me the option to choose between home and away broadcast on a few games, including the Dodger game (I think I'll choose the home broadcast).

Previously this was a DirecTV perk.

2008-07-31 18:39:16
34.   trainwreck
31
Well today they have been listing all our outfielders and the people on ESPNews kept saying his name wrong.

ESPN knows nothing about this team.

2008-07-31 18:40:29
35.   Tripon
32

A late first rounder, and a supplementary pick. (Around 20-30).

2008-07-31 18:40:51
36.   Eric Enders
32 A top 15 draft pick would be protected regardless, so we actually want a good team to sign Manny.

Anyone with Arizona's current record or better would do. The Dodgers, if the season ended today, would have #15, the last protected pick.

2008-07-31 18:41:13
37.   trainwreck
32
I think Manny is a Met waiting to happen.
2008-07-31 18:41:41
38.   underdog
Makes me appreciate FSN (! can't believe I just typed that) - probably because they're based out of LA, I believe, but on their nightly national sports recap show last night the show's anchor, when talking over Dodgers-Giants highlights called Matt Kemp "The Bison!!" which I thought was awesome. So score one for The Final Score over the clueless EastcoastSPortsNetwork.
2008-07-31 18:42:00
39.   GoBears
Can a player credibly promise to decline arbitration? Seems the only way that would be anything more than a gentlemen's agreement would be if it were written into a contract, and I would think that the union would have a problem with a player signing away a right.

It's probably incentive-compatible, in that he WANTS to try the market, and even if he stinks for 2 months, he probably should do so, but I don't see how he can promise in a binding way to decline arbitration.

I might be wrong - someone please explain if I am.

2008-07-31 18:42:23
40.   underdog
36 Maybe we should re-sign Manny then, and then get our draft pick!

Wait... that doesn't work. Never mind.

2008-07-31 18:42:54
41.   D4P
Joe Torre better not tell Manny to cut his hair. That is where his power comes from

We shall call him: Samson

2008-07-31 18:43:51
42.   trainwreck
40
That is the outside-the-box kind of thinking we need!
2008-07-31 18:44:31
43.   D4P
Or at least, I shall call him Samson.

I'm not a fan of his Red Sox era nickname.

2008-07-31 18:44:57
44.   GoBears
36 Thanks.
2008-07-31 18:44:58
45.   Michael D
I predict that somehow with an inferior lineup we bet Webb.

As for the Manny trade, I like it with the usual caveat that we play the right outfield. If the biggest loser of this trade ends up being Andre Ethier, we got hosed. This also better not lead to re-signing Casey Blake to play third next year.

2008-07-31 18:45:07
46.   underdog
I don't understand -- how can you mispronounce "Ethier"? Was it "e-thee-ay" French-style, or "Either"?
2008-07-31 18:45:21
47.   Eric Enders
39 It was written into Drew's contract, so it's definitely doable, although like you I'm surprised the union allows it.
2008-07-31 18:45:27
48.   Tripon
Even if Manny accepts Arbitration, I wouldn't mind, he's still likely to outproduce anybody else on the roster.
2008-07-31 18:46:27
49.   Eric Stephen
39
Declining arbitration doesn't give up any rights for Manny. He's still able to negotiate as a FA with every club, including the Dodgers.

It's not uncommon for such a clause to be written into the contract. J.D. Drew had the opposite clause in his Dodger contract: that the Dodgers could not offer him arbitration.

2008-07-31 18:46:49
50.   trainwreck
41
I wanna talk to Samson!!

It works on so many levels. Two, in fact.

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2008-07-31 18:47:18
51.   D4P
46
When we first acquired him we were told it was "Eh-thee-ay".
2008-07-31 18:47:42
52.   trainwreck
46
It was like they thought his name was either or some sort of variation of that.
2008-07-31 18:48:07
53.   Eric Stephen
51
By whom, Charlie Steiner?
2008-07-31 18:48:20
54.   Landonkk
45 I would assume that Colletti and Torre were on the same page before the deal was made (probably a big assumption) and if we were going to play Jones and Pierre over Ethier you would think that they would have given up Ethier before LaRoche. That is what I keep telling myself anyway.
2008-07-31 18:49:25
55.   MollyKnight
They'll know how to pronounce Ethier's name soon enough. Manny puts the Dodgers on ESPN's map. For instance, I'm supposed to write something on Billingsley this weekend.

A Dodgers/Red Sox World Series would be the most hyped championship since, well, the Lakers v. Celtics last month. I'm not holding my breath, but if it does happen Bristol Connecticut will explode and cease to exist.

2008-07-31 18:49:45
56.   Tripon
Hah! Kevin Kennedy says that Juan Pierre has to be in the lineup because he's a true leadoff hitter, and then Patrick O'Neal asked him if there's really room for Juan Pierre in the lineup, and Steven Lyons said sure, late inning defensive sub in LF.

Kevin Kennedy looked pissed off when he heard that. Now he has the shifty eyes on Steve Lyons.

2008-07-31 18:49:52
57.   Eric Enders
ESPN will probably be considerably more confused when we call up Kyle Orr.

"The number five hitter in tonight's lineup will be either Ethier or Orr, either or."

2008-07-31 18:49:57
58.   Icaros
Manny declining or accepting Arby's is fine either way with me. If he declines, two picks. If he accepts, we get him for one more year and aren't stuck with him long-term in his late 30s/early 40s.
2008-07-31 18:50:29
59.   Tripon
55 Will it be better than the Onley piece that he did on Webb a while back?
2008-07-31 18:50:53
60.   GoBears
49. I just meant that I was surprised that the right to accept arbitration could be contracted away. But thanks to you and Eric E for the info that it's not uncommon.

So the next question is: DID Ramirez sign away the right to accept, or was it just a verbal assurance that he'd decline?

2008-07-31 18:52:05
61.   D4P
53
Steiner is the one I remember.
2008-07-31 18:52:25
62.   trainwreck
56
Awesome, the guy that thinks home runs are rally killers is the smartest analyst on the set.
2008-07-31 18:53:00
63.   Eric Stephen
59
C'mon, this is our Molly were talking about here. I expect Pulitzer quality work*.

*tied with Jon Weisman

2008-07-31 18:53:01
64.   Louis in SF
Based on ESPN stats Manny hits 11 more HR's. I am going to say 15. Anybody want to add to predictions? I believe when we got Steve Finley at the deadline he hit 13.
2008-07-31 18:53:23
65.   GoBears
if we were going to play Jones and Pierre over Ethier you would think that they would have given up Ethier before LaRoche.

But that also assumes that Pittsburgh would have preferred Ethier to LaRoche. I don't see why that would be true.

2008-07-31 18:53:49
66.   Gen3Blue
31 Eric--that proves that someone with a minimal knowledge of baseball would put out Manny-Kemp-Ethier. We don't have that luxury.
2008-07-31 18:54:35
67.   natepurcell
This offseason is going to be interesting for whoever is in charge.

SS, OF, 2b, and 3b all need to be filled somehow.

2008-07-31 18:55:19
68.   sporky
55 I'm supposed to write something on Billingsley this weekend.

Awesome!

It's about time, ESPN. If anyone on Around the Horn mentions Billingsley's greatness, it'll be because of this trade.

2008-07-31 18:55:25
69.   MollyKnight
59-It's not a feature.

Just a small, quick hit for the next issue about how statistically he's been as good as guys like Felix, Volquez and Lincecum, who are all his age. Just trying to give credit where credit is due.

2008-07-31 18:55:54
70.   underdog
Nothing will surprise me and I expect a low-scoring game, but given Kent and Ethier's absence, and pre-Manny, vs. Webb, I am probably not crazy to not expect many runs out of the Dodgers tonight.
2008-07-31 18:56:16
71.   regfairfield
58 My only problem with that it wipes out most of our budget.
2008-07-31 18:57:57
72.   underdog
65 Because they just traded away two starting outfielders in the past week? I mean you may be right, but I could understand why they would've wanted Ethier.
2008-07-31 18:58:22
73.   sporky
DeWitt is 3 for 4 thus far.
2008-07-31 18:58:33
74.   Landonkk
65 I never said there was any rationality behind my thinking, just something I tell myself to make me feel better until I actually see a starting OF of Manny, Kemp and Ethier.

I suppose you have a good point though...

2008-07-31 18:58:55
75.   trainwreck
Great, now I am going to have to be one of those people that goes to bars alone, just so I can see tomorrow's game.
2008-07-31 18:58:56
76.   sporky
(and at 3B)
2008-07-31 18:59:16
77.   MollyKnight
Shoot, I'm kind of inspired to write something longer about Billingsley for the website, simply because I don't know much about him at all. But I'm so slammed with all this NFL preview stuff and traveling all over the place that I don't know if I'll have time. Was at Raiders camp today. Going to Cowboys camp tomorrow and Chargers camp on Saturday or Sunday. Gotta figure out how to fit a Dodger game in there to talk to Chad.

Now that Manny's there I've got to find a way to make it work, as Tim Gunn would say.

2008-07-31 18:59:21
78.   Jacob L
Well, Kevin Baxter was on espn news saying that now Jones or Pierre might have to play to make up for Manny's defense in left. Whatever.

Lets be clear. Juan Pierre is having a crummy year, even by his standards. His sole positive (apart from the default: speed) is that he's playing better than Andruw Jones, which puts him in the select company of virtually every other major leaguer.

I have to believe that we've seen the last of Andruw as a regular starter, and using the acquisition of Manny as an excuse to reinsert Pierre in center (where the organization has already concluded his defense is lacking), well, I just have to believe its not going down like that.

2008-07-31 18:59:26
79.   natepurcell
I can't believe I'm saying this but I would really consider going after Beltre in the offseason.
2008-07-31 19:01:12
80.   Eric Enders
79 So would I, actually. Except I guess Boras is still his agent, right?
2008-07-31 19:01:14
81.   Tripon
A year of Manny or 5 years of C.C. Assuming that the amount of money per year is similar (around 20 million) We can survive with C.C.'s pitching, but Manny bats would make this team better. But I'm okay either way the Dodgers decide.

...Of course this means that the Yanks pick up Manny for $4 year/100 million, and C.C. for 7 years/150 million.

2008-07-31 19:01:26
82.   regfairfield
79 We're in his limited no trade, but I agree it would make sense, especially if we got the Mariners to pay some of his salary.
2008-07-31 19:01:39
83.   Tripon
Beltre still has that no trade clause.
2008-07-31 19:02:01
84.   trainwreck
77
Did you get to see the Sith Lord, Al Davis? Hopefully he didn't treat you like Hunter S. Thompson.
2008-07-31 19:03:11
85.   GoBears
77 Hey Molly - anything going on at Packers Camp? Just wondering.
2008-07-31 19:03:42
86.   natepurcell
80

Yea, but its his contract year and Beltre is gunna go gangbusters again.

Something like

C Martin
1b Loney
2b Dewitt
ss Furcal (one year to re-up his value)
3b Beltre
LF ManRam
CF Jones
LF Kemp

Ethier+McDonald for Beltre.
Pierre is again, world's most expensive 4th outfielder.

2008-07-31 19:04:44
87.   MollyKnight
75- That was me in Seattle the night we almost came back to beat the Giants. Monday? I think.

(Hooray! They just said Ethier's name right on ESPN).

2008-07-31 19:05:37
88.   raygu
Question: is Furcal expected to be back in September, or is that just wishful thinking? I thought I read it somewhere recently, and then Jon mentioned is one of his posts today.
tks

Ray

2008-07-31 19:06:28
89.   Sam DC
57 Too bad Colletti missed on that Pete Orr deal with the Nationals we were all wondering about.

Either Orr Orr.

2008-07-31 19:07:27
90.   sporky
88 Hope is a thing with feathers.
2008-07-31 19:09:06
91.   Eric Stephen
Kurkjian just said he thinks the Dodgers will play Manny, Kemp, and Ethier all the time the rest of the year.
2008-07-31 19:10:57
92.   D4P
Ball one is called strike one, and we're underway.
2008-07-31 19:11:01
93.   MollyKnight
Didn't see Al Davis, but did interview JaMarcus Russell. I was not prepared for how large he is. He seriously looks like a defensive end. I have no idea how anyone has a prayer of tackling him.

And thank God I'm not at Packers camp. Those players must be in an awesome mood.

2008-07-31 19:13:46
94.   Tripon
Why is Short Chris Young in the 2nd spot? He's horrible this year, its like batting Juan Pierre 2nd.
2008-07-31 19:14:49
95.   trainwreck
90
We can't call people without wings angels so call them friends.
2008-07-31 19:14:50
96.   Bob Hendley
Andre's sick? What is it, feed a flu starve a fever?
2008-07-31 19:14:55
97.   nofatmike
55 "but if it does happen Bristol Connecticut will explode and cease to exist."

Well one can only hope.

2008-07-31 19:15:25
98.   trainwreck
I just wanted to throw in another TPB reference.
2008-07-31 19:16:06
99.   Eric Stephen
94
I wish Juan Pierre was as good as either Chris Young.
2008-07-31 19:16:15
100.   Tripon
ESPN is building a new head quarters in downtown L.A. anyway, so they would be due for a move.
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2008-07-31 19:16:27
101.   Bob Timmermann
90
I have a cute backstory about that, but I will only tell people about it at the picnic.
2008-07-31 19:18:06
102.   sporky
101 I need a picnic-proxy.
2008-07-31 19:18:29
103.   Jacob L
Lets go after some Brandon Webb with our crummy lineup!
2008-07-31 19:19:44
104.   bablue
Even if Manny declines arb, it wouldn't be that bad to resign him to say a 3 year deal, would it? He's still a great player and maybe other teams would be wary of going after him because of the problems he had with Boston.

Either way, I love this trade provided we at least offer him arbitration.

2008-07-31 19:19:47
105.   MonkeyBlue
Pierre does not stay long at the plate.
2008-07-31 19:20:02
106.   Bob Timmermann
Some people are very disappointed that Vin was using a different meaning of the verb in the sentence in "Pierre is snuffed out."
2008-07-31 19:20:41
107.   Tripon
Pierre needs to relearn the art of the lead off man.
2008-07-31 19:21:13
108.   Tripon
THATS OUR LEAD OFF MAN.
2008-07-31 19:21:15
109.   Eric Stephen
Bison Speed!™
2008-07-31 19:21:22
110.   MonkeyBlue
Bison forced that errand throw!
2008-07-31 19:21:33
111.   sporky
Starting tomorrow, Kemp will lead off. Forever.
2008-07-31 19:21:49
112.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
94 - As a resident of Phoenix, I can declare with some authority (i.e., I watch D-backs games) that Bob Melvin does weird things.
Like batting CY second. And having Mark Reynolds bunt.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SFN/SFN200807260.shtml
2008-07-31 19:22:01
113.   Eric Stephen
Congratulations on stealing second, Matt.

Russ will drive you in soon enough.

2008-07-31 19:22:12
114.   D4P
It's probably not a good sign when Juan Pierre has the 5th highest OPS in your lineup.
2008-07-31 19:22:51
115.   Andrew Shimmin
Nobody's mentioned (or I missed it, if someone did) that because Withrow was involved, Manny is now a product of JtD. Which may mean his time here is cursed.
2008-07-31 19:22:54
116.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
110 - "You're an errand boy... sent by the corner grocery..."
2008-07-31 19:23:06
117.   micktissue
"When you get Kemp, you get the whole store."

Don't you just love Vin?

2008-07-31 19:23:30
118.   Jacob L
Well, if Pierre is, in fact, out of the starting lineup for the remainder of the year, then we've only got the next 3 years to worry about.
2008-07-31 19:23:55
119.   MonkeyBlue
You do not need to run every time you're on base Kemp.
2008-07-31 19:23:58
120.   Eric Stephen
Kemp was safe.
2008-07-31 19:24:17
121.   Michael D
I think the good thing about this that it solidifies Kemp as an everyday outfielder. If we were going to trade him we would have by now. It's good to see that at least the organizatio