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August 10 Game Chat
2008-08-10 10:25
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Dodgers at Giants, 1:05 p.m.

Comments (605)
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2008-08-10 12:32:18
1.   Tripon
106 David Ross is probably better than Danny Ardoin... lets pick him up.

Maybe next year, but unless Ross is interested in only a Sept. call up, I doubt he'll sign with the Dodgers.

2008-08-10 12:37:16
2.   D Money
Any hints on how to find out what network is playing the dodger games each day?
2008-08-10 12:38:24
3.   D Money
nevermind
2008-08-10 12:40:32
4.   Linkmeister
2 Well, if I can believe my newspaper, Prime Ticket is not showing the game here (Hawai'i).

S'alright, men's four-man rowing is far more interesting than Dodgers-Giants could ever be.

2008-08-10 12:41:27
5.   Tripon
TV guide channel should be shot in the face.
2008-08-10 12:42:26
6.   Tripon
KCAL is airing the game locally for L.A. and Orange county.
2008-08-10 12:58:32
7.   Alex41592
Orlando Hudson officially will be out the rest of the season.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080810&content_id=3286304&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

2008-08-10 12:59:57
8.   regfairfield
Now who plays second next year?
2008-08-10 13:01:58
9.   Tripon
8 Hu's else but Hu?
2008-08-10 13:02:34
10.   twerp
9 Maybe DeWitt?
2008-08-10 13:03:14
11.   Tripon
10 Only if we resign Casey Blake.
2008-08-10 13:09:07
12.   Tripon
Matt steals number 27.
2008-08-10 13:09:59
13.   Icaros
Hits like a leadoff hitter. Steals like a leadoff hitter.
2008-08-10 13:10:18
14.   thinkblue88
Billz vs Cain is gonna be fun to watch for a long time.
2008-08-10 13:11:26
15.   Gagne55
7 If anybody in this league is an uber defender, it's Hudson. Big loss for the D'backs.
2008-08-10 13:11:56
16.   MonkeyBlue
Dang how it made that catch!?
2008-08-10 13:12:03
17.   Alex41592
Great at bat and got robbed.
2008-08-10 13:12:41
18.   UVaDodger
16 More or less my sentiments exactly. ;)
2008-08-10 13:13:50
19.   Tripon
15 Hopefully Conner Jackson comes down with a month long flu.
2008-08-10 13:17:35
20.   Tripon
- Andruw Jones is dealing with some aches in his surgically repaired knee and unavailable to play defense. He's apparently available to hit.

http://www.beloblog.com/Pe_Blogs/prosports/mlb/dodgers/

Hopefully the dodgers can ahem DL him, and give him a rehab stint.

2008-08-10 13:19:39
21.   Tripon
WHAT THE HECK CAIN. WHAT THE HECK.
2008-08-10 13:19:56
22.   thinkblue88
Ouch.
2008-08-10 13:19:57
23.   Alex41592
Right off the helmet. The dreads to the rescue.
2008-08-10 13:20:19
24.   Gagne55
Manny has been hit
2008-08-10 13:22:51
25.   Tripon
Soul singer and arranger Isaac Hayes, who won Grammy awards and an Oscar for the theme from the 1971 action film "Shaft," has died, sheriff's officials in Memphis, Tennessee, said Sunday. Relatives found Hayes, 65, unconscious in his home next to a still-running treadmill.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Music/08/10/hayes.obit/index.html

2008-08-10 13:23:07
26.   Greg Brock
They hit Manny, we hit...Randy Winn?

Not exactly retribution.

2008-08-10 13:23:53
27.   MonkeyBlue
I hate Dave Roberts!
2008-08-10 13:25:25
28.   Tripon
26 We hit Aaron Rowand 9 times. three times per at bat.
2008-08-10 13:26:40
29.   Gagne55
Why did the Dodgers trade Dave Roberts for nothing?
2008-08-10 13:26:54
30.   Alex41592
Webb has his runs. 2-0 D'Backs Bot 1.
2008-08-10 13:26:59
31.   Marty
Sacrificing in the first is about all you need to know about the Giant's offense.

Still, I worry.

2008-08-10 13:27:31
32.   Gagne55
It seems like all Ohchoa ever does is bunt.
2008-08-10 13:28:17
33.   Marty
Andruw Jones is dealing with some aches in his surgically repaired knee and unavailable to play defense. He's apparently available to bat.

Fixed.

2008-08-10 13:28:25
34.   Gagne55
30 Well that one is pretty much over. Unless the D'backs use Lyon.
2008-08-10 13:28:52
35.   Marty
I would rather have Juan Pierre than Roberts.
2008-08-10 13:29:16
36.   Dodgers49
Per Diamond Leung:

>> - Jonathan Broxton is unavailable today having pitched in the previous three games, and Manager Joe Torre said Hong-Chih Kuo was his ninth-inning guy today. <<

http://tinyurl.com/39s5sz

2008-08-10 13:29:17
37.   Tripon
Wynn doubles in Roberts.
2008-08-10 13:29:47
38.   Greg Brock
Ugh. Why speed up his bat with a slider?

He was overmatched, man!

2008-08-10 13:30:19
39.   twerp
Probably off Torre's case after this, but a scary thought.

If the Dodgers make the playoffs, who are likely starters for Games 1 and 2?

I wouldn't bet against Lowe and Penny (if his arm's still attached). They have all this PVL factor, you see. They've been there, done that. Lots of playoff experience and all, too.

2008-08-10 13:31:24
40.   Bob Hendley
27 - and he looks silly clean-shaven. Dang
2008-08-10 13:31:32
41.   Tommy Naccarato
29 I logged in just as a point to bring this up, and then saw you post.

Maybe some of the JDT cognescenti will be able to tell us how we got NOTHING for Roberts and how much he has hurt us since...But those Depodesta trades were rally a good thing for our team--because they finally got us one (1) play-off victory....

1-0 GNATS...Nice.

2008-08-10 13:32:26
42.   Tommy Naccarato
Mind you that Dave Roberts was happy in LA and devastated that he was being traded....

He went on later that season to help Boston get to the World Series and win.

2008-08-10 13:33:00
43.   Icaros
38

Seems like we always make Winn look like a good player. I think I even remember him tearing up the Dodgers when he was with Tampa Bay.

2008-08-10 13:34:14
44.   Bob Hendley
33 - He can now be declared officially totally useless.
2008-08-10 13:35:15
45.   MonkeyBlue
At least make Cain work a little!.
2008-08-10 13:35:20
46.   trainwreck
25
RIP Chef
2008-08-10 13:35:33
47.   Tripon
39 Didn't Torre used Wang for game 1 for his last year playoffs?

And Torre wouldn't use Penny and give him that pressure, he's still injured, and rehabbing.

Lowe might get game one, but Bills would surely get game two. Torre tends to handle his starting staff better than positional players.

2008-08-10 13:35:50
48.   Greg Brock
People really miss Dave Roberts?
2008-08-10 13:36:00
49.   MMSMikey
i change the channel for 10 seconds and martin already made out, what is wrong with him?
2008-08-10 13:36:00
50.   D4P
I'm pretty sure Dave Roberts is the pinch-runner on Bob's Dave Ross All-Star Team.
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2008-08-10 13:36:41
51.   CeyHey10
7 An even bigger loss today: Carlos Lee goes down and out with a busted finger from a stray Bronson Arroyo pitch. What horrible luck. Reminds us that despite our best efforts to reduce uncertainty in analyzing baseball (I'm thinking specifically here of Ron Shandler's "reliability" score, which provides a solid measure of how injury prone a player is -- a score that had C. Lee as a veritable stud up through today), sometimes we just get dealt a bad hand (ouch - accidental pun).
2008-08-10 13:37:01
52.   Gen3Blue
Uh-oh. What an offense this inning.
2008-08-10 13:37:44
53.   D4P
martin already made out, what is wrong with him?

I have no proof, but I've started to suspect that Martin's "making out" a little too much for his own good.

2008-08-10 13:37:50
54.   Gagne55
41 The thing was though that Roberts had nothing to do with aquiring Steve Finley. Encarnacion was jettisoned in the LoDuca and Mota for Penny and Choi trade freeing up room in the outfield. Besides, Grabowski had shown that he had no place on a major league roster. Trading Roberts for an veteran minor leaguer over releasing Grabowski made no sense at all. The only possible rationalization was that DePodesta was afraid Tracy would play Roberts over Werth, but by that time Werth was already getting more PT than Roberts.
2008-08-10 13:39:42
55.   MonkeyBlue
Well Bills made Cain work it.
2008-08-10 13:42:03
56.   MMSMikey
we need nomar back in this lineup, i think he will give manny protection, and I would rather see him come up in the first inning with 2 on and 2 out instead of loney, nomar is clutch and always has been, he just needs to stay healthy which probably wont happen. Kent-Manny-Nomar will be productive, especially how nomar swung the bat before he hurt his knee.
2008-08-10 13:42:03
57.   Marty
Lighten up Tommy. I can barely remember Depodesta. And I was a big fan of his. It's been awhile now.
2008-08-10 13:44:43
58.   Tommy Naccarato
48 Who would you rather have playing centerfield: Andruw Jones or Dave Roberts?

My point is that Roberts has always had speed and timely hitting. He always seemed to be coming up with a big play of some kind, whether it be offensively or defensively, right when it was needed when he was with the Dodgers.

2008-08-10 13:45:12
59.   Bob Hendley
Any news on Nomar? I can't even remember what he hurt this time.
2008-08-10 13:46:53
60.   twerp
50 If the namesake for the All-David Ross team is released, does that mean the team no longer exists?

However can this crisis be handled? :)

2008-08-10 13:47:07
61.   Tommy Naccarato
Marty, yes, I do agree, I should lighten up...but I do think back then I definitely took a rather large amount of guff from many here on this!

Consider it my "I told you so!"

(And I hate people who say that...)(ruthlessly plagiarized from the Coen Brother's Miller's Crossing)

2008-08-10 13:47:28
62.   Greg Brock
58 Neither. They are both terrible baseball players. And I wouldn't want one of them on my team, let alone both of them.

Why in the world would I have to choose between those two guys?

2008-08-10 13:49:02
63.   MMSMikey
this game is getting annoying.
2008-08-10 13:49:18
64.   Tommy Naccarato
54 Jason Werth: The next coming of Frank Howard......
2008-08-10 13:49:47
65.   MMSMikey
here comes the roberts 2 run triple
2008-08-10 13:50:28
66.   MMSMikey
wow, nevermind.
2008-08-10 13:50:32
67.   Tommy Naccarato
58 You seem to want to over look that they are both on MLB rosters....
2008-08-10 13:51:05
68.   thinkblue88
WHAT?!

Come on Billingsley...It's the Giants.

2008-08-10 13:51:32
69.   Tommy Naccarato
And that Torre fears him (Roberts) enough, that he just intentionally walked him...
2008-08-10 13:51:48
70.   Andrew Shimmin
Roberts had one IBB last year, too. Baseball is a funny game.
2008-08-10 13:52:16
71.   Gen3Blue
63 It could get a lot more annoying
2008-08-10 13:52:28
72.   Greg Brock
67 Yes. They are both on rosters. I would not want either one of them. I don't see what one has to do with the other. We agree to disagree, I guess. No worries.
2008-08-10 13:53:04
73.   Tommy Naccarato
70 EXACTLY....

Good pitch Billingsly.

2008-08-10 13:53:12
74.   MMSMikey
thats all broxton had to do last night to ochoa, but martin called 4 straight inside fastballs and broxton finally hit him.
2008-08-10 13:53:16
75.   Andrew Shimmin
This IBB worked out better for the issuer than last year's did.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SFN/SFN200708060.shtml

2008-08-10 13:53:28
76.   bhsportsguy
58 At that time, the Dodgers had just made the trade for Penny and Choi. And then they went out and got Steve Finley. The plan was to move Green back to the outfield along with Finley and Bradley and with Werth already penciled in as the 4th outfielder, Depodesta looked for an opportunity for Roberts to get more playing time.

Of course, as things worked out, Choi ended up more on the bench than playing and Green went back to first.

2008-08-10 13:55:11
77.   sporky
Nook Logan was also on a major league roster for a while.

Choosing between 2008 Andruw and Roberts is like choosing between a bunion or a boil.

2008-08-10 13:55:35
78.   bhsportsguy
Heading out to the afternoon practice to see the beginning of the post-Ben Olson period.
2008-08-10 13:55:55
79.   Tommy Naccarato
GB,
Don't get me wrong. In most cases Roberts should have been in earth's orbit as far as his major league career is concerned. the fact is--and Andrew hits it pretty good there: Baseball is a funny game...

With that, how many times have and of you seen a former player come back to haunt the Dodgers?

2008-08-10 13:56:03
80.   thinkblue88
Another Andre triple!
2008-08-10 13:56:11
81.   MonkeyBlue
They better cash in Ethier.
2008-08-10 13:56:22
82.   Tripon
And Andre earns another start tomorrow.
2008-08-10 13:56:25
83.   bhsportsguy
Its going to be pretty hard for Torre to keep Ethier out of the lineup.
2008-08-10 13:56:45
84.   Greg Brock
78 So, he's done for sure?
2008-08-10 13:56:46
85.   Marty
Arguing about Roberts over Jones is pretty silly. We might as well be arguing whether we want Vizquel over Berroa. They're both awful, who wants either?
2008-08-10 13:57:00
86.   sporky
83 I'm rooting for common sense to finally prevail.
2008-08-10 13:57:15
87.   bhsportsguy
77 So are you now a former employee?
2008-08-10 13:57:25
88.   Tripon
Can we choose between 2002 Andruw Jones and 2008 Andruw Jones? No? Okay.
2008-08-10 13:57:47
89.   trainwreck
84
No results yet, but we should just move on. I say play Kevin Prince.
2008-08-10 13:57:56
90.   MC Safety
Do Andre and James both have more triples than Pierre now?
2008-08-10 13:57:57
91.   sporky
87 Yes!!!!!!!
2008-08-10 13:58:01
92.   MMSMikey
c'mon jeff we need to get plate ethier.
2008-08-10 13:58:18
93.   MMSMikey
thata boy.
2008-08-10 13:58:21
94.   MonkeyBlue
Good job by the Old vet.
2008-08-10 13:58:28
95.   bhsportsguy
84 With his luck, I wouldn't be looking for a good report later today.

A veteran at-bat.

2008-08-10 13:58:34
96.   Greg Brock
79 I saw Jim Eisenreich crush us for years.
2008-08-10 13:58:37
97.   Tripon
We finally cash in an Eithier triple.
2008-08-10 13:58:44
98.   Andrew Shimmin
This is why the Dodgers should have their former players bumped off immediately after severing ties with the team.
2008-08-10 13:59:02
99.   Tommy Naccarato
76 Also, lets not forget that the trade was all based-off of the Dodgers getting Charles Johnson, which Depo completely screwed-up that deal. Wasn't it the key to the entire set of trades on that fateful Saturday?

(fateful for some)

2008-08-10 13:59:36
100.   Bob Timmermann
Is Ben Olson really injured or is that he just can't find his way to the doctor's office for X-rays and got hit by a car?
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2008-08-10 13:59:44
101.   bhsportsguy
Brock, where should sporky get her first Westwood meal as a UCLA grad student?

I say a donut at Stan's.

2008-08-10 14:00:09
102.   Tripon
UCLA should just considering playing a running back in the QB position, and just try to run every down.
2008-08-10 14:00:25
103.   bhsportsguy
100 Are you back or sitting in some airport?
2008-08-10 14:01:05
104.   MMSMikey
cain just got lucky, absolutely hung one to man ram.
2008-08-10 14:01:08
105.   MonkeyBlue
Manny missed that by this ... much!
2008-08-10 14:01:14
106.   Greg Brock
101 Jerry's! And then Diddy Reese cookies!
2008-08-10 14:01:20
107.   Tripon
99 How can you completely screw up when you get rid of a scrub like Lo Duca?
2008-08-10 14:01:31
108.   bhsportsguy
100 He hurt his foot during practice again, on the same play, a play action hand-off.
2008-08-10 14:02:17
109.   Andrew Shimmin
102- I've been saying for years that UCLA should move to an option offense. Nobody takes me seriously, though, since I don't know anything about football.
2008-08-10 14:02:17
110.   trainwreck
If anyone knows where the doctor's office is, it's Ben Olson.
2008-08-10 14:02:18
111.   Tommy Naccarato
96 I try to forget the damage he did, including that one game where he helped bring Philadelphia back from the dead, what was it the Dodgers were winning that game like 11-2 in the 8th inning--or something like that.

(Where's Timmerman when you need him?)

2008-08-10 14:02:43
112.   Gagne55
76 So then why was Grabowski kept on the roster?
2008-08-10 14:03:22
113.   Johnson
79 You just remember former Dodgers coming back to hurt us because they're former Dodgers. It's not like Roberts has been a great player since we let him go. The alternative would appear to be to hold on to mediocre players (using a roster spot!) so they can't come back to beat us rather than try to replace them with better players. That's not much of an alternative.
2008-08-10 14:03:33
114.   sporky
101 I'll be asking for a comprehensive list soon.

I'm trying to find dimensions for my apartment, but the dudes in the housing office know as much about their floorplans as I do about paleoichthyology.

2008-08-10 14:03:35
115.   Greg Brock
109 I say we run the veer. It worked in the glory days.
2008-08-10 14:03:57
116.   Gen3Blue
I guess the one reason this game seems irritating can actually be a positive. Since the first, Matt Cain has actualy been making some excellent pitches, with good rythm and most everything down. Like Bills often does, and I hope he can get it going.
2008-08-10 14:04:41
117.   Bob Timmermann
100
I have managed to steal the Spirit of St. Louis from the Air & Space Museum thanks to the help of some Army buddies.

I would describe it as more of a heist. So I got fueled up, used the Mall to take off and flew it back home.

The Smithsonian was so embarrassed they have put up a replica in its place.

My friends and I are now celebrating by watching the Dodgers game but having "Clare de Lune" playing in the background for effect.

I am somewhat worried that a guy who looks like Cesar Romero is following me.

2008-08-10 14:04:42
118.   Tommy Naccarato
Because he was a young talent whose numbers said he was also going to be the next coming of Frank Howard....
2008-08-10 14:05:17
119.   Bob Hendley
In reading the "Echoing Green" there is a fellow named Henry Colletti, who was the scoreboard keeper at the Polo Grounds and who later helped Herman Franks rig up a pitch spying system in the Stick. Relation to Ned not discussed in the book.
2008-08-10 14:06:02
120.   Bob Timmermann
115
I remember going to games at the Rose Bowl where a guy kept yelling for Matt Ware to play quarterback.
2008-08-10 14:06:26
121.   Gagne55
99 Not getting Charles Johnson wasn't really an issue. They just aquired Mayne instead. Not that either was a capable MLB catcher by that point. Randy Johnson though was the big missing piece. I think it was going to be Penny and Werth for Johnson?
2008-08-10 14:07:00
122.   MonkeyBlue
Chads pitch count is way up there now.
2008-08-10 14:07:21
123.   Disabled List
106 Jerry's! And then Diddy Reese cookies!

Thumbs up on Diddy Reise, but come on... Jerry's??? You're really recommending Jerry's Deli???

2008-08-10 14:07:34
124.   MMSMikey
looking at the upcoming pitchers, the dodgers will miss ben sheets and CC sabathia when the brewers are in town next weekend.
2008-08-10 14:07:50
125.   Greg Brock
120 Matt Ware running the veer > Ossar Rashaan running the spread >Bethel McGee Johannsen St. Monica running anything.
2008-08-10 14:08:35
126.   bhsportsguy
120 It wasn't me.
2008-08-10 14:09:07
127.   MollyKnight
I feel like Jeff Kent is killing us defensively.
2008-08-10 14:09:29
128.   Tommy Naccarato
Has anyone noticed how in Depo's last season as Dodgers GM, that last half of the season he was pretty much silent. I see the same thing going on right now with Colletti.
2008-08-10 14:10:24
129.   Greg Brock
123 Jerry's has a killer Reuben's. It costs $385, but it's tasty.
2008-08-10 14:11:05
130.   Bob Timmermann
DePodesta was always somewhat quiet and aloof. That was what McCourt hated about him. They wanted a schmoozer.

Somewhere on the spectrum of GM skills, there is someone who is both personable and smart. It can't be that hard to pull off.

2008-08-10 14:12:11
131.   Tommy Naccarato
That Didee Reese Cookie/sandwich-thing, well a fair warning to all of you...it's got ice cream in it!
2008-08-10 14:12:16
132.   Greg Brock
128 This is a really unfair conversation to have in the middle of a Giants game. DePo was trying to deconstruct the roster and fix the mess. It's not his fault he got canned two years into a five year rebuilding plan. It's an impossible argument to win, or have.
2008-08-10 14:12:23
133.   trainwreck
130
There's this guy up in Oakland, who wrote this book...
2008-08-10 14:12:43
134.   Gagne55
128 Getting Manny is being silent?
2008-08-10 14:12:46
135.   Disabled List
I'm an official Deli Snob. It is my official opinion that Jerry's sucks.

Now Brent's or Langer's, there's some deli for ya.

2008-08-10 14:13:15
136.   Tommy Naccarato
You just described Jon.....
2008-08-10 14:14:32
137.   MMSMikey
anyone who trades for hee seop choi should be canned immediately.
2008-08-10 14:14:39
138.   Tripon
Vin, I gotta take issue with you saying that Corriea pitches well.
2008-08-10 14:14:48
139.   bhsportsguy
132 If the Padres had just played a little better, the Dodgers (Depodesta) could have sold a rebuilding plan but since they were so pathetic and Tracy wasn't interested in a future that might not include him, it was a losing battle.
2008-08-10 14:15:23
140.   trainwreck
137
Anyone who trades for Lance Carter, Dennyz Baez, and Mark Hendrickson should be sent to a mental institution.
2008-08-10 14:15:29
141.   JoeyP
How did Winn not score from 3rd base on the grounder to Loney which he threw to 2nd to get the force out?
2008-08-10 14:15:32
142.   MMSMikey
did he also sign that nakamura clown to play 3rd base?
2008-08-10 14:15:36
143.   Tommy Naccarato
133
the onlu problem with that is his name isn't Theo and he isn't from Boston. Those are very big factors for the McCourt's......
2008-08-10 14:15:40
144.   MonkeyBlue
Wow, talk about a bail out. Good job Bills.
2008-08-10 14:15:51
145.   bhsportsguy
Nice pitching Chadster.
2008-08-10 14:16:18
146.   Disabled List
Great job by Bills to get out of that mess.
2008-08-10 14:16:19
147.   regfairfield
142 It was a minor league deal, he was depth.
2008-08-10 14:16:34
148.   MMSMikey
140.

lol, touche. i agree they gave up and navarro way too quick, they could have kept martin at 3rd base, with navarro catching.

2008-08-10 14:16:42
149.   bhsportsguy
141 Winn wasn't going on contact, Loney caught the ball and looked him back.
2008-08-10 14:16:43
150.   Bob Timmermann
Winn got a very poor break off of third when Loney caught the grounder. Loney also looked him back using the magical power of his crazy eyes.
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2008-08-10 14:17:20
151.   MMSMikey
.147, he was still our opening day 3rd baseman in 2005, and jose valentine? c'mon, depo and colletti are equally awful.
2008-08-10 14:17:32
152.   bhsportsguy
140 Anyone in particular you want me to focus on at practice today?
2008-08-10 14:17:46
153.   sporky
Did Loney swing on first pitches in both AB?
2008-08-10 14:17:56
154.   Ken Noe
133 Beane didn't write Moneyball, whatever Joe Morgan says.
2008-08-10 14:18:04
155.   JoeyP
137--Thats insane. Choi was hitting great for Florida in 2004, was a young player, and hit ok in 2005 as well. Brad Penny was the main guy in that deal anyways.
2008-08-10 14:18:05
156.   MMSMikey
loney has seen two pitches today.
2008-08-10 14:19:15
157.   trainwreck
154
I know, I was joking.
2008-08-10 14:19:34
158.   JoeyP
151--Valentin had hit 30 homers in 2004 & he had a good season for the Mets in 2006. Its not his fault he tore up his knee.

You're not going to win many arguments here. Ned is by far worse when you look at salaries spent & player acquisition.

2008-08-10 14:19:37
159.   MollyKnight
I'd send Martin here.
2008-08-10 14:19:41
160.   thinkblue88
Thank you Martin for not chasing balls in the dirt.
Good walk.
2008-08-10 14:20:11
161.   Ken Noe
157 You had me worried ;-)
2008-08-10 14:21:29
162.   trainwreck
152
I am interested in Taylor Embree. He seems to be catching everything, but people say he's not fast enough and all this. Maybe he is the type of guy that just gets it done during games.

Thanks.

2008-08-10 14:22:10
163.   bhsportsguy
158 I wouldn't say far worse and if the Dodgers win the division this year, he'll have this job for a while.
2008-08-10 14:22:23
164.   MMSMikey
158,

valentine hit 30 homeruns because he played in that launching pad in chicago and theres no way those numbers would translate in the NL west when you got 3 unbelievably good pitchers parks in dodger stadium, petco, and AT&T

2008-08-10 14:23:13
165.   trainwreck
162
The anti-Freddie Mitchell.
2008-08-10 14:23:32
166.   Gen3Blue
Of course, he time to send Martin, just to add another complication. Even if it ends the inning.
2008-08-10 14:23:34
167.   bhsportsguy
162 You got it.
2008-08-10 14:24:02
168.   Andrew Shimmin
I've seen the Exorcist about a hundred and sixty-seven times, and it keeps getting funnier every single time I see it.
2008-08-10 14:24:42
169.   Disabled List
Brandon Webb just doubled in two runs after the Braves intentionally walked Chris Burke in front of him. 6-0 D-backs.

I got a feeling the Dodgers won't be finishing the weekend in first place.

2008-08-10 14:24:45
170.   Gen3Blue
Should be " Now might be the time"
Ahh- incoherence
2008-08-10 14:24:54
171.   Gagne55
I think Dan Evans was actually the best Dodger GM in the last while. He had the least payroll flexibility and inherrited a barren farm. Yet his teams had the best records. Unfortunately, the NL West was much stronger back then so he didn't have any playoff appearences.
2008-08-10 14:25:05
172.   Bob Timmermann
Nakamura started the home opener for the Dodgers, not Opening Day. That was Valentin.

And the Dodgers gave up on Nakamura fairly quickly.

Valentin made an error on Opening Day against the Giants that let the winning run score and that allowed Plaschke to declare the entire 2005 team and Paul DePodesta to be total disasters that required summary executions.

Good times...

2008-08-10 14:25:07
173.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Make him work, Casey.
2008-08-10 14:25:34
174.   Gen3Blue
Blake made him throw quite a few pitches.
2008-08-10 14:26:35
175.   Bob Timmermann
I thought that pitch looked funny...
2008-08-10 14:27:28
176.   Greg Brock
175 Indeed. You can't do that, Mr. Cain.
2008-08-10 14:27:55
177.   Gagne55
164 Not to mention that 30 homers was pretty much all he had going for him. He was like Tony Batista.
2008-08-10 14:28:03
178.   MollyKnight
We need a six pitch inning here.
2008-08-10 14:29:26
179.   Gagne55
172 And the team turned out to be a total disaster.
2008-08-10 14:29:34
180.   Bob Timmermann
Jose Valentin still insists that his injury toward the end of the 2007 season cost the Mets a playoff spot. He says he's the only one who can tame Jose Reyes.
2008-08-10 14:30:40
181.   silverwidow
Josh Lindblom (2008 second round pick) at Great Lakes:

19 IP
18 K
2 BB
1.42 ERA

2008-08-10 14:30:44
182.   Greg Brock
Jose Valentin also looks like Zorro. You can't quantify that on the stat sheet.
2008-08-10 14:31:10
183.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
180 - But a stallion must run, and run free...
2008-08-10 14:32:04
184.   MMSMikey
158,

how could you defend valentins 2004 season, sure he hit 30 homeruns, but he also struck out 139 times, hit a whopping .216 with a .287 OBP, that doesnt seem like your prototypical moneyball type player. valentin was awful, the only reason he did OK with the mets was because he saw limited action and was a partime player.

2008-08-10 14:32:07
185.   Marty
I'm already on Brock's bad side about In N Out. I'll pass on the Jerry's argument.
2008-08-10 14:32:39
186.   MonkeyBlue
The pest is at it again.
2008-08-10 14:33:05
187.   bhsportsguy
Has Vin mentioned where Rich Aureilla once worked this series?
2008-08-10 14:33:50
188.   Andrew Shimmin
Valentin had an sOPS+ of 109 for a SS in 2004.
2008-08-10 14:34:00
189.   Ken Noe
171 I've been an Evans loyalist for years, but for me the Mitchell Report took away some luster. One thing suggested at the time but I think only confirmed this spring was that DePo slowly was trying to clean up that clubhouse, starting with the supplier. I wish that both McCourt and I had supported him more than we did.
2008-08-10 14:34:57
190.   Marty
BTW, I saw where Heart and Soul signed a minor league contract with Florida.
2008-08-10 14:35:28
191.   Tripon
Do you think Lambo's ready by 2010?
2008-08-10 14:36:30
192.   MMSMikey
oh my god what was that?
2008-08-10 14:36:31
193.   MonkeyBlue
What the heck???
2008-08-10 14:37:25
194.   Bob Timmermann
I believe these are known among baseball insiders as "bloop hits."
2008-08-10 14:37:33
195.   MMSMikey
you see that in high school not in the big leagues
2008-08-10 14:37:35
196.   Bob Hendley
In 2005, Valentin had an OBP of .326, the same that JP had.
2008-08-10 14:38:24
197.   Tripon
Was Plascke the one who called LoDuca the Heart and Soul, or the one who called him a drug pusher?
2008-08-10 14:38:32
198.   Marty
195 You've watched Juan Pierre for almost two years and say you've never seen one of those?
2008-08-10 14:38:41
199.   MMSMikey
berroa HAS to catch that
2008-08-10 14:38:50
200.   MonkeyBlue
You got to be kidding me.
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2008-08-10 14:39:05
201.   trainwreck
I can't believe we are losing to the Job Squad.
2008-08-10 14:39:14
202.   MollyKnight
Ugh ugh ugh. Billingsley can't get a break.
2008-08-10 14:39:16
203.   MC Safety
Chad Billingsley and Russell Martin are dumb baseball players.
2008-08-10 14:39:25
204.   MMSMikey
juan pierre? that was berroas ball
2008-08-10 14:39:27
205.   Disabled List
This just seems to be the way things are going for us lately. What a frustrating season this has been.
2008-08-10 14:39:58
206.   regfairfield
Valentin was seen as an option when the team didn't have a big power bat. Yeah, he had some very obvious flaws, but considering how power starved we've been the last few years, you have to appreciate the effort.
2008-08-10 14:40:02
207.   Bob Timmermann
Kemp had just as much responsibility to catch Burriss' ball as Berroa.
2008-08-10 14:41:11
208.   Greg Brock
201 We are losing to the Brooklyn Brawler.
2008-08-10 14:41:46
209.   thinkblue88
Whats with all the hate for Bills, Martin and Broxton? They can't be perfect all the time.

I rather have them instead of Kevin Correia, Steve Holm or Tyler Walker.

2008-08-10 14:41:51
210.   Brent Knapp
101 Enzo's on Weyburn. Best Calzone I've ever had.
2008-08-10 14:41:56
211.   Icaros
208

Or Special Delivery Jones.

2008-08-10 14:42:02
212.   trainwreck
208
lol, awesome. I wondered if anyone would get that reference.
2008-08-10 14:42:03
213.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
I'd get the bullpen up.
2008-08-10 14:42:15
214.   Marty
The Dodgers are Dukakis. The Giants are Bush.
2008-08-10 14:42:21
215.   MMSMikey
kemp was shaded to right center because you dont expect burris to pull billingsley, berroa looked lost from the moment that ball went up in the air, he needs to get under that ball and catch it. that was not kemps ball.
2008-08-10 14:43:06
216.   Icaros
Oh, SD wasn't part of the Job Squad, but he was a jobber.
2008-08-10 14:43:44
217.   regfairfield
Our defense is bad.
2008-08-10 14:44:03
218.   bhsportsguy
215 Sometimes there are just perfect spots to hit a pop fly.
2008-08-10 14:44:58
219.   Greg Brock
217 I smelled what regfairfield was cooking about a hundred posts ago.

It was only a matter of time!

2008-08-10 14:45:05
220.   MMSMikey
yeah but berroa wasnt even running hard after that ball, you dont think raffy is camped under that thing?
2008-08-10 14:45:24
221.   Bob Timmermann
Bill Plaschke never wrote that Paul Lo Duca was the "heart and soul" of the Dodgers.
Three other LA Times sports writers did including Paul Gutierrez, Jason Reid, and Mike Di Giovanna did.

"Heart and soul" was quite popular among people who got letters published in the Times as well.

2008-08-10 14:45:43
222.   trainwreck
216
Barry Horowitz, the ultimate jobber.
2008-08-10 14:45:49
223.   JoeyP
You gotta pinch hit for Bills.
He's at 88 pitches, doesnt have but 1 more inning left.
2008-08-10 14:46:20
224.   Bob Timmermann
220
If I say that Angel Berroa is a disgrace to humankind, you'll let this go won't you?
2008-08-10 14:46:49
225.   MC Safety
I can't believe we're losing to Paul Roma.
2008-08-10 14:48:00
226.   Icaros
222

I'll take Salvatore Bellomo.

2008-08-10 14:49:12
227.   bhsportsguy
223 I know this goes on deaf ears a lot here but with 7 more games without a day off and knowing that your staff is not prone to going deep into games anyways you can't ask your bullpen to pitch 4-5 innings today.
2008-08-10 14:49:18
228.   Greg Brock
A couple of gorks and an eighty-six hopper and we're right back in this thing.

Luck evens itself out eventually, right?

/Positivity

2008-08-10 14:49:45
229.   trainwreck
226
I only got to see him in ECW with the FBI, the Full-Blooded Italians for those not in the know.
2008-08-10 14:50:20
230.   MMSMikey
no, bob.
2008-08-10 14:50:23
231.   Greg Brock
3.5! Atta kid.
2008-08-10 14:50:23
232.   MonkeyBlue
Ethier!
2008-08-10 14:50:32
233.   thinkblue88
Ethier rocks!
2008-08-10 14:50:40
234.   Alex41592
You see there are some hitters who own pitchers. And then there's Andre Ethier vs. Matt Cain.
2008-08-10 14:51:24
235.   Bob Timmermann
230
Then I believe there is no point commenting again for the rest of this game.
2008-08-10 14:51:50
236.   Ken Noe
Ethier and Cain...together, sticking it to JP.
2008-08-10 14:51:57
237.   Brent Knapp
Both ears and a tail? Is that what vin said? As in, he got all of it?
2008-08-10 14:52:08
238.   MollyKnight
So I am thinking that if the Dodgers make the playoffs Torre will finally be like, "Oh the heck with it let's play our three best outfielders."
2008-08-10 14:52:26
239.   sporky
Ethier is hitting .619 off Cain now.
2008-08-10 14:52:31
240.   JoeyP
227--Bills isnt going to go deep in thisbgame anyways. He's at 88 pitches.

Kuroda just pitched 8 innings last nite.
The bullpen is rested.

2008-08-10 14:52:42
241.   Gagne55
Manny time
2008-08-10 14:53:10
242.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
238 - More like, "I need an outfield with playoff experience."
2008-08-10 14:53:25
243.   Greg Brock
Vin must have loved Derek Bell.
2008-08-10 14:53:31
244.   Icaros
This is a really slow game.
2008-08-10 14:53:37
245.   MMSMikey
no thanks, bob.
2008-08-10 14:53:51
246.   sporky
Slightly OT, but is there any way I can convince people to stop saying "___ being ___"?
2008-08-10 14:54:15
247.   Disabled List
Manny hasn't homered in the last three games. I'm starting to get worried about him.
2008-08-10 14:55:02
248.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
246 - If successful, you're just sporky being sporky.
2008-08-10 14:55:51
249.   trainwreck
246
I tried that like a week ago. I gave up that day.
2008-08-10 14:55:52
250.   bhsportsguy
So who do you want pitching right now, Chad or Jason Johnson/Ramon Troncoso?
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2008-08-10 14:56:56
251.   Greg Brock
246 What if somebody throws a ball and it hits a pigeon? Manny being Dave Winfield would be funny.

If something weird happens, I reserve the right to use the "being" thing.

I almost went with Manny being Chapman in the first, but that would have been in poor taste.

2008-08-10 14:57:36
252.   bhsportsguy
251 Manny being Cey.
2008-08-10 14:57:38
253.   trainwreck
250
Did they fuse them together to create some kind of ultimate mediocre pitcher?
2008-08-10 14:57:58
254.   Gen3Blue
I seem to be taking this with more equanimity than usual, and I'm actually enjoying watching both teams. I think the late game times account for the fact that I often sound like a crabby old east coast fan.
WFAN, the NY sports radio outlet I often hear, had an interesting segment with a few call ins about the Dodgers and their move for Manny. The two hosts decided that the Dodgers schedule, weakened buy many games with SF, San Diego, Colorado and even Pittsburg, made it pretty certain that with the addition of Manny the Dodgers would make the play-offs. What they didn't understand was that most of these games are division rivalries, and within this division there is a lot of good pitching, and most of the dismal teams play twice as well against the Dodgers as anyone else.
It remains to be seen if hitters from outside the division like Manny can make a lot of difference, but we can hope so.
2008-08-10 14:59:45
255.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
take a pitch, James.
2008-08-10 14:59:45
256.   StolenMonkey86
7 pitch inning.
2008-08-10 15:00:02
257.   sporky
251 I don't mind the funny ones at all. It's the inane derivatives that are getting tiresome.
2008-08-10 15:00:19
258.   Andrew Shimmin
250- The real question is: who do you want pitching right now, Jeff Weaver or Jason Johnson?
2008-08-10 15:00:28
259.   Ken Noe
Sartre being Nothingness.
2008-08-10 15:01:23
260.   Gen3Blue
I just noticed, if you take away Kemp and Ethier, there is no offense.
2008-08-10 15:01:34
261.   sporky
Hey, he saw more than one pitch!
2008-08-10 15:01:57
262.   Greg Brock
If it makes you feel better, just pretend Loney had the day off and Mark Sweeney played first base today.
2008-08-10 15:04:15
263.   Andrew Shimmin
Also, I think in the spirit of revisiting 2005, regfaifield and his Odalis Perez apologetics should be singled out for special derision.
2008-08-10 15:05:53
264.   MollyKnight
I hate our team so much right now.
2008-08-10 15:06:23
265.   Icaros
Why chase that pitch?
2008-08-10 15:06:32
266.   Gen3Blue
With Kent, Manny, loney, and Martin like 0 for 9 the only positive is Martin can still take a walk.
2008-08-10 15:07:56
267.   StolenMonkey86
266 - add blake and berroa and it's 0-15
2008-08-10 15:08:03
268.   Greg Brock
Getting the water to look like that must have cost a fortune.
2008-08-10 15:08:41
269.   JoeyP
250- Kuo
2008-08-10 15:08:41
270.   sporky
Doesn't Kent own Cain? Or is it more like a timeshare?
2008-08-10 15:10:24
271.   JoeyP
Actually, it doesnt matter who is pitching for the Dodgers bc the Giants lineup is awful.

But the Dodgers may have missed out on a big 5th inning by not pinch hitting for Billingsley. We'll never know.

2008-08-10 15:11:53
272.   emiller
Is Sweeney that much better of an option than Bills in that situation? Unfortunately I'm kinda serious about that.
2008-08-10 15:12:24
273.   bhsportsguy
And how many innings was Kuo going pitch today?
2008-08-10 15:13:18
274.   Alex41592
W-A-L-K W-I-N-N.
2008-08-10 15:13:30
275.   JoeyP
Well the Giants are doing the same thing so it'll even out.

Leaving Cain in at 99 pitches to pitch at most 1 more inning, instead of pinch hitting will come back & bite them.

2008-08-10 15:15:13
276.   thinkblue88
Quality Start.
2008-08-10 15:15:21
277.   Alex41592
They go up to Winn finally.
2008-08-10 15:15:29
278.   Greg Brock
Thank you for not throwing a slider to a guy that can't catch up to a fastball.
2008-08-10 15:16:10
279.   JoeyP
116 pitches in 6 ip.
Hopefully Bills isnt sore for his next start.
2008-08-10 15:17:49
280.   Alex41592
I can't imagine the Giants letting Cain face Ethier again.
2008-08-10 15:18:39
281.   underdog
Been quietly watching this one while I do stuff 'round the house. All I can say is: Let's go Dodgers, let's do this thing! You've hung around and now's the time.

Beautiful day here in SF, I will say that.

2008-08-10 15:19:43
282.   JoeyP
They shouldnt let him face Kemp.
2008-08-10 15:20:09
283.   MonkeyBlue
Double for Bison! Damn fan! that could have been a triple!
2008-08-10 15:20:11
284.   sporky
Juan Pierre: Variations on a leadoff hitter
2008-08-10 15:20:36
285.   Johnson
Umm, that's gotta be an alert of some color for Kemp, right? Orange?
2008-08-10 15:20:53
286.   underdog
Usher: "You're outta here, fool."

Would he have gone for three you think? Looked like two anyway.

Leave Cain in here to face Ethier?

2008-08-10 15:20:57
287.   sporky
285 No HR, no cycle alert.
2008-08-10 15:20:57
288.   Alex41592
Stunned. Make them pay Andre.
2008-08-10 15:20:59
289.   Icaros
Get some pants that fit before you do something stupid and get kicked out of a game on TV.
2008-08-10 15:21:08
290.   Gen3Blue
Gee, I know its just one at bat, but an interesting comparison. JP:Kemp
2008-08-10 15:21:26
291.   bhsportsguy
283 Kemp was only nearing second when the outfielder would have reached that ball, so I think he would have held with a double.
2008-08-10 15:21:31
292.   Ken Noe
Cain again helping Ethier stick it to JP.
2008-08-10 15:21:33
293.   Andrew Shimmin
That's a yellow alert for The Bison. Yellow Alert.
2008-08-10 15:22:04
294.   Johnson
287 Really? The HR is easier than the 3B.
2008-08-10 15:22:51
295.   emiller
Why did they warm up the hook if they weren't going to use him here?
2008-08-10 15:22:51
296.   MonkeyBlue
With Bison speed! it could have been a triple... or not.
2008-08-10 15:23:05
297.   sporky
294 I am but a messenger.
2008-08-10 15:23:07
298.   Andrew Shimmin
He has the single, double, and the triple. It could arguably be an orange alert, but I have a strict constructionist interpretation of the home run clause.
2008-08-10 15:23:45
299.   JoeyP
Dont you either have to:

A. Put Ethier on at 1st.
B. Pull Cain and bring in a loogy to face him.

Having Cain go after Ethier doesnt seem like the brightest strategy.

2008-08-10 15:24:08
300.   Gagne55
294 There is no color designated for the homerun; it depends on the batter. For Kemp, I'd think it would be orange but Bob is the boss.
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2008-08-10 15:24:19
301.   MonkeyBlue
I guess Bruce does not like to count on his bullpen at all.
2008-08-10 15:24:27
302.   Greg Brock
Shimmin is the auxiliary cycleperson.
2008-08-10 15:25:03
303.   Gen3Blue
Kent wouldn't have missed that a few years ago.
2008-08-10 15:25:03
304.   JoeyP
Cain's got nothing left.

Kent/Manny will make him pay.

2008-08-10 15:25:18
305.   Gagne55
Yellow alert - Player needs triple for cycle
Orange alert - Player needs double for cycle
Red alert - Player need single for cycle

If a player needs a home run for the cycle, the level of the alert varies depending upon the determination of the Cycle Detection Warning System, which is headquartered in Thief River Falls, Minnesota.

2008-08-10 15:25:39
306.   MonkeyBlue
Come on Manny! we need you!
2008-08-10 15:25:42
307.   sporky
I <3 Vin
2008-08-10 15:25:58
308.   Disabled List
COME ON MANNY. Save this heretofore lousy weekend.
2008-08-10 15:26:31
309.   underdog
C'mon Manny! {bite nails}
2008-08-10 15:26:33
310.   thinkblue88
307
yup, he is pretty awesome.
2008-08-10 15:26:44
311.   JoeyP
Dusty Baker must still be managing the Giants.
2008-08-10 15:27:49
312.   sporky
SQUEE!!!!!
2008-08-10 15:27:50
313.   Alex41592
MANNY! OH MY GOD! MANNY!
2008-08-10 15:27:53
314.   Greg Brock
Cheer that, jerks!
2008-08-10 15:27:59
315.   thinkblue88
Yessssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MAN RAM!!!!

2008-08-10 15:28:05
316.   Icaros
Well played, ManRam.
2008-08-10 15:28:12
317.   MonkeyBlue
YES!!!!!
2008-08-10 15:28:15
318.   emiller
Bochy sucks. Letting him face Eithier was just dumb.
2008-08-10 15:28:17
319.   underdog
Poor Cain. {cue world's smallest violin}

Manny!

Yay, I love those gappers to the wall when we do them.

2008-08-10 15:28:22
320.   JoeyP
That was quite predictable.
2008-08-10 15:28:37
321.   Disabled List
Woo-hoo! Weekend saved!

(So far...)

2008-08-10 15:29:06
322.   JoeyP
Its bad when the fans at home have a better feel than the guys in the dugout.
2008-08-10 15:29:07
323.   Gagne55
MANNY!!!!!!!
2008-08-10 15:29:32
324.   trainwreck
Why are they walking Loney?
2008-08-10 15:29:49
325.   Icaros
Do Cain and Lincecum even have pitch counts?
2008-08-10 15:29:53
326.   Alex41592
And he's still leaving him in.
2008-08-10 15:30:07
327.   Tommy Naccarato
Lets see Russell really make them pay now!
2008-08-10 15:30:07
328.   underdog
Bochy really hates his bullpen, can we just say that?

I've seen games this year where Cain or Lincecum lost after pitching well, right after the bullpen takes over. But still... leaving him out there vs. Ethier and Manny was pretty dumb.

Btw, I think I've enjoyed watching Ethier's at bats the last two days than I have almost anything else. He especially owns Cain but has just had some great at bats.

2008-08-10 15:30:20
329.   sporky
Maybe they can't count.
2008-08-10 15:30:27
330.   JoeyP
Cain's still in there & he's thrown 124+ pitches lol.
2008-08-10 15:30:33
331.   Gagne55
Cain still out there at 124 pitches?
2008-08-10 15:30:35
332.   MonkeyBlue
Look like Bruce is channeling Dusty.
2008-08-10 15:30:37
333.   UVaDodger
At the risk of a Rule 8 Violation, why is Cain still in?
2008-08-10 15:31:11
334.   underdog
325 Yeah, about 150 or so, right in that Lasorda zone.
2008-08-10 15:31:20
335.   UVaDodger
Bah
2008-08-10 15:31:30
336.   Marty
Maybe the Giants bullpen called in sick.
2008-08-10 15:31:32
337.   MMSMikey
martin, ugh,
2008-08-10 15:31:49
338.   Ken Noe
When Cain was younger, JP refused to sign an autograph for him. "Someday," said young Matt, "you will pay." "And I will help you," said Bruce Bochy.
2008-08-10 15:32:04
339.   JoeyP
126 pitches in 7ip for Cain.
Likely leaves with the loss.

Bochy wow.

2008-08-10 15:32:16
340.   Gagne55
126 pitches. Cain is going to be feeling this one for a while.
2008-08-10 15:32:17
341.   MollyKnight
It'd be cool to see Kemp and Ethier go 1-2 in every game.
2008-08-10 15:33:11
342.   underdog
Free Danny Ardoin!

Heh.

2008-08-10 15:33:42
343.   emiller
It's unreal. I watch most of the games Cain and Lincecum pitch because I enjoy them, and Bochy never takes them out at the right time. He waits until they finally implode after a bunch of pitches before pulling them, or like today does nothing at all. I know his bullpen blows but come on, protect your future.
2008-08-10 15:33:57
344.   sporky
341 I wish I may, I wish I might...
2008-08-10 15:34:15
345.   underdog
336 The Giants bullpen is sick (and not in that good/cool kinda way).
2008-08-10 15:34:30
346.   Alex41592
Troncoso in high leverage. Interesting.
2008-08-10 15:34:47
347.   Gagne55
Tron? Oh well, go Troncoso!
2008-08-10 15:35:14
348.   MonkeyBlue
I rather have Park pitching right now.
2008-08-10 15:35:49
349.   Gagne55
Infield single to shortstop? Should Berroa have made the play?
2008-08-10 15:36:06
350.   underdog
343 I agree.

of course, Giants fans got all over him when he pulled Lincecum in a recent start after he'd pitched great but had reach like 115 pitches or something and then the pen blew it, suddenly fans were all over Bochy for that. But he's got to do that every time and not worry about being criticized for pulling a guy. Ah well, not our problem.

Though as a baseball fan I'd hate to see CainCecum blow out their arms.

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2008-08-10 15:36:21
351.   Alex41592
349 - No chance. Up the middle off the glove of Troncoso.
2008-08-10 15:36:23
352.   MonkeyBlue
349. No, Tron knocked the pitch down, so no play.
2008-08-10 15:36:28
353.   MollyKnight
A 6-4-3 would be spectacular right here.
2008-08-10 15:36:30
354.   underdog
345 - Hopefully I didn't just jinx our bullpen.
2008-08-10 15:37:35
355.   MollyKnight
So close!
2008-08-10 15:37:44
356.   JoeyP
Tough day for Bowker:
Just swung at ball 4.
0-4 with 6 LOB.
2008-08-10 15:37:58
357.   Gagne55
354 Nah. Tron doesn't need jinxing.
2008-08-10 15:38:17
358.   Alex41592
353 - If only the ball was hit just a little harder.
2008-08-10 15:38:30
359.   Tripon
Beorra is dead to me.
2008-08-10 15:38:44
360.   Ken Noe
356 Plus Bonds called him "Bunker" last night.
2008-08-10 15:38:58
361.   Alex41592
Nice pitch.
2008-08-10 15:39:38
362.   Gagne55
356 Tough day for Giants batters: 10 hits, three walks, only three runs. Winn is the only player with RBIs.
2008-08-10 15:40:59
363.   emiller
350 Exactly! I'm a Dodger fan and even I'm perplexed at the way he manages the 2 young pitchers. It's not like they are playing for anything this year, or even next year. They are arguably 2 of the best young arms in the game, and as a general baseball fan I don't like seeing them get abused like this. Lincecum is honestly my favorite player in baseball, despite being a Giant. It sucks watching him get pushed like this with so few professional innings in his career.
2008-08-10 15:41:18
364.   Johnson
359 You're a tough crowd.
2008-08-10 15:42:18
365.   MonkeyBlue
Good job Tronny. Sorry I doubted you.
2008-08-10 15:42:58
366.   sporky
WE 74%
2008-08-10 15:43:31
367.   Gen3Blue
I have a feeling the Dodgers may need a bit more offense. I hope Berroa and Ozuna don't have to bat back to back?
2008-08-10 15:43:49
368.   Gagne55
360 Bunker is a pretty cool guy. Eh protects marines and firebats and doesn't afraid of anything.
2008-08-10 15:44:01
369.   underdog
Nicely done, Tron!

My friends, my fellow conscripts, we have scored. I feel so much better.

2008-08-10 15:44:47
370.   Tripon
350 363 I can't wait for the Lincecum vs. Kershaw match up. It'll be the battle of the 2006 draft, and will make Kansas City's mistake picking Luke Hochevar first.
2008-08-10 15:45:13
371.   underdog
367 - Ozuna's in Kent's spot no?
2008-08-10 15:45:46
372.   Gagne55
Arizona won again.
2008-08-10 15:45:58
373.   underdog
Stupid wind. I thought it was out for a sec.
2008-08-10 15:46:25
374.   MonkeyBlue
372. They lost yesterday.
2008-08-10 15:46:39
375.   Ken Noe
368 "Bunker" is a word that comes readily to Bonds' mind.

Almost Casey....

2008-08-10 15:47:14
376.   underdog
372 Again? They'd lost four in a row!
2008-08-10 15:47:37
377.   Alex41592
372 - First win since last Tuesday.
2008-08-10 15:47:55
379.   Gen3Blue
Wow, this is a horrible stategy that says--our pitching is invulnerable--its over.
(not that I think our options on the bench were that good)
2008-08-10 15:48:17
380.   underdog
How can Colorado give up four home runs to the Padres? For shame, Rockies!
2008-08-10 15:49:05
381.   Bob Hendley
Think Kuo closes today.
2008-08-10 15:49:33
382.   underdog
379 - If you're talking about bringing in Ozuna for Kent, it makes total sense to me. You want your best defensive options playing behind your relievers when you have the lead.
2008-08-10 15:49:36
383.   thinkblue88
380.
Livan Hernandez was the SP for the Rockies!
2008-08-10 15:49:39
384.   Alex41592
380 - Livan Hernandez in Coors Field. BAD idea!
2008-08-10 15:50:45
385.   Gen3Blue
371 Apparently NO. Well Torre has thrown down the gauntlet again. Boy his jaw or chest target must be awfully sore.
2008-08-10 15:51:08
386.   Tripon
Ozuna is a crusty vet.
2008-08-10 15:51:14
387.   MonkeyBlue
Nice recovery for Ozuna.
2008-08-10 15:51:26
388.   sporky
381 Torre said he would

http://www.beloblog.com/Pe_Blogs/prosports/mlb/dodgers/

2008-08-10 15:52:09
389.   emiller
370 Agreed! Will be a solid matchup for the next several years. Then throw in Cain v. Bills and should have some good battles with the Giants. Of course I hope they keep throwing out terrible offenses to help us out!
2008-08-10 15:52:12
390.   Gagne55
Tron keeps on going.
2008-08-10 15:52:39
391.   underdog
Here comes Killer!
2008-08-10 15:53:14
392.   Alex41592
And the Giants can't run for Molina because they pinch hit for Holm.
2008-08-10 15:53:32
393.   Gagne55
And look who is coming up representing the winning run with the tying run on base...
2008-08-10 15:53:57
394.   underdog
383/384 - Oh man. No wonder! I didn't even look at the pitching line score. Yeesh.
2008-08-10 15:54:17
395.   Gen3Blue
380 I agree totally about the defensive replacements. But it ended up with a hopeless offensive inning. I guess I'm just not as confident as Joe that we need no more runs. I suppose it may make sense because he has few moves that are better.
2008-08-10 15:55:03
396.   Gagne55
Pinch hitting for Roberts? Thank you!
2008-08-10 15:55:06
397.   Gen3Blue
Is this Kuo three days in a row?
2008-08-10 15:55:07
398.   StolenMonkey86
393 - Rich Aurillia
2008-08-10 15:55:30
399.   Disabled List
5-out save for Kuo? Too bad Torre didn't think of that last night.
2008-08-10 15:55:59
400.   Bob Hendley
I like the way that Manny quickly gets rid of the ball. Why spend a lot of time and motion in throwing, when you don't have a good arm anyway.
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2008-08-10 15:56:07
401.   StolenMonkey86
397 - no, he didn't pitch Friday, but he did go Thurs
2008-08-10 15:56:12
402.   bhsportsguy
399 Let it go.
2008-08-10 15:56:34
403.   Alex41592
Dave Roberts doesn't have one single plate appearance against a lefty this season.
2008-08-10 15:57:33
404.   Tripon
Torre's going to break Kuo's arm, and Kuo's going to let him. :(
2008-08-10 15:57:39
405.   emiller
403 that's pretty amazing
2008-08-10 15:58:00
406.   Alex41592
Kuo!
2008-08-10 15:58:03
407.   MonkeyBlue
Kuo is so good.
2008-08-10 15:58:13
408.   underdog
That's a new move. Mound Flip!
2008-08-10 15:58:42
409.   thinkblue88
>|uo!
2008-08-10 15:59:00
410.   Tripon
Hahahaha, gotta love Vin's gentle ripping of Tim McClenden.

Vin: "Tim, I love ya pal, but boy are you tough." This after he called a ball, and then a called 3rd strike on the next pitch.

2008-08-10 15:59:32
411.   underdog
So Torre should use Kuo more often, except if he does it'll be too often? Just want to make I understand this correctly.

Some of you are being unduly negative, especially in a game the Dodgers are currently winning, and 3 outs from winning 2 out of 3. But if it's cathartic for you to do so, I won't stop ya.

2008-08-10 15:59:37
412.   Icaros
Taiwanese Assassin batting third this inning.
2008-08-10 15:59:57
413.   Uncle Miltie
Joe, do not bring in Broxton in the 9th inning!
2008-08-10 16:00:01
414.   Gagne55
Orange alert in San Francisco. this is an orage alert.
2008-08-10 16:00:30
415.   Bob Hendley
Let's see if he replaces Manny in LF for bottom of the ninth.
2008-08-10 16:01:00
416.   Alex41592
And he brings a lefty in to face Kemp. That Bochy is full of surprises.
2008-08-10 16:01:22
417.   bhsportsguy
411 Yes, we want him to pitch in important game situations but not too much.

I think there are those who are worried about the Proctor/Quantrill effect by Torre.

2008-08-10 16:01:24
418.   Icaros
415

Can't. Pierre has been used and Andruw is hurt.

2008-08-10 16:02:00
419.   sporky
Roberts' BABIP during the last 7 days = .600
2008-08-10 16:02:05
420.   Gen3Blue
401 Thanks Monk. It seems like Joe has finally discovered who his best option is. I hope he isn't too late/he doesn't wear him out.
Whatever the result, shame on our offense for it being close at the end of these two games.
2008-08-10 16:02:08
421.   bhsportsguy
413 He can't, Brox is out today.
2008-08-10 16:04:37
422.   emiller
I love me some Eithier. Hit the ball hard every time up, all you can ask.
2008-08-10 16:04:49
423.   Gagne55
Cycle alert cancelled. Stand down.
2008-08-10 16:05:26
424.   Tripon
Kuo should change his number to STAR SIGN.
2008-08-10 16:05:54
425.   sporky
Kuo!
2008-08-10 16:06:03
426.   Tripon
KUO'S BATTING A MILLION.
2008-08-10 16:06:06
427.   JoeyP
Good job of Torre letting Kuo go for the 5 out save.
2008-08-10 16:06:14
428.   underdog
God, I love Kuo.
2008-08-10 16:06:16
429.   MonkeyBlue
Damn it Kuo!
2008-08-10 16:06:16
430.   Alex41592
Look at Kuo hustling down the line. Which means Manny gets an at bat.
2008-08-10 16:06:20
431.   thinkblue88
Kuo is awesome.
2008-08-10 16:06:24
432.   emiller
He should be our primary pinch hitter!
2008-08-10 16:06:30
433.   Andrew Shimmin
423- Not so fast, mon petit frommage.
2008-08-10 16:06:45
434.   Gen3Blue
At least Kuo doesn't think the time for offense is over.
2008-08-10 16:07:13
435.   MonkeyBlue
Hmmm didn't know Manny was on deck, so good job Kuo.
2008-08-10 16:08:38
436.   Gen3Blue
Who's a small cheese? Hu.
2008-08-10 16:08:52
437.   Alex41592
Question does your OBP go up or down on that?
2008-08-10 16:08:53
438.   Tripon
The Giants don't care to win, don't they?
2008-08-10 16:08:59
439.   Johnson
Manny with the productive K.
2008-08-10 16:09:19
440.   underdog
Nice hustle, Manny!
2008-08-10 16:09:20
441.   underdog
Nice hustle, Manny!
2008-08-10 16:09:34
442.   JoeyP
That was an awful pitch Manny just swung at.
2008-08-10 16:09:44
443.   underdog
Oops, sorry. I blame my cat.

Or Gary Bennett.

2008-08-10 16:11:40
444.   underdog
You could read a whole book in the time between when the pitch first hits the catcher's glove and when McClellan calls it.
2008-08-10 16:12:36
445.   bhsportsguy
443 Only Bob gets to blame his cat.
2008-08-10 16:12:37
446.   bhsportsguy
443 Only Bob gets to blame his cat.
2008-08-10 16:15:07
447.   Tripon
How the heck did Eithier hold Wynn to a single on that?
2008-08-10 16:15:11
448.   underdog
How is Winn not on second? Sheesh, that's a break.
2008-08-10 16:15:12
449.   MonkeyBlue
Some idiot try to throw some refreshment at Ethier.
2008-08-10 16:15:17
450.   Andrew Shimmin
Somebody tried to throw his beer on Ethier.
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2008-08-10 16:16:11
451.   MonkeyBlue
This can't happen two days in a row?
2008-08-10 16:16:16
452.   regfairfield
Is it appropriate to make closer mentality jokes yet?
2008-08-10 16:16:23
453.   underdog
Argh. Not again. I can't take the stress!
2008-08-10 16:16:30
454.   thinkblue88
I would like to see how the haters are gonna blame this on Broxton.
2008-08-10 16:16:44
455.   Andrew Shimmin
452- You probably want Odalis Perez for a closer, Odalis-lover.
2008-08-10 16:16:58
456.   Disabled List
Martin's ball was foul. Winn's ball was fair. Game played in San Francisco.

QED.

2008-08-10 16:17:59
457.   Alex41592
GIFT!
2008-08-10 16:18:01
458.   Who Is Karim Garcia
not again.... im still hungover from getting over last night's loss.
2008-08-10 16:18:04
459.   MonkeyBlue
Martin! nice catcha!
2008-08-10 16:18:19
460.   emiller
Yes! Russell
2008-08-10 16:18:25
461.   bhsportsguy
Nice play by Russ.
2008-08-10 16:18:26
462.   regfairfield
That's why you never bring in a guy just to bunt.
2008-08-10 16:18:54
463.   Tripon
ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH.
2008-08-10 16:18:56
464.   sporky
AAAARGH
2008-08-10 16:18:59
465.   MonkeyBlue
CASEY!!!!!!!! you idiot!!
2008-08-10 16:19:02
466.   Alex41592
(Mentally preparing)
2008-08-10 16:19:03
467.   thinkblue88
Oh Blake...
2008-08-10 16:19:13
468.   Xeifrank
Stupid bunt attempt when you only need one run! Thanks. Casey gives it back. Game should be over.
vr, Xei
2008-08-10 16:19:14
469.   emiller
Noooooooooo........that was ballgame
2008-08-10 16:19:16
470.   Uncle Miltie
Terrible play by a mediocre defender
2008-08-10 16:19:20
471.   regfairfield
Good effort by Loney at least.
2008-08-10 16:19:26
472.   JoeyP
Bochy's doing it all today.
First, leaving Cain in.

Then invoking the Stupid Bunter Principle.

2008-08-10 16:19:33
473.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Definitely not a Ball of Fame-worthy bunt.
2008-08-10 16:19:52
474.   Icaros
Easy DP blown.
2008-08-10 16:19:59
475.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Hall of Fame, either.
2008-08-10 16:20:04
476.   Alex41592
Ok, how do you play the infield?
2008-08-10 16:20:09
477.   Xeifrank
What Guo really needs is a hard ground ball to third base for a game ending double play here!
vr, Xei
2008-08-10 16:20:15
478.   Ken Noe
Bad time for Blake's much heralded bad defense to pop up.
2008-08-10 16:20:42
479.   SaltinWound
What was Torre talking about out there?
2008-08-10 16:21:10
480.   Icaros
These guys suck.
2008-08-10 16:21:19
481.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Blake's first error as a Dodger; he has 5 double plays.
2008-08-10 16:21:22
482.   MonkeyBlue
Unbelievable!!!!
2008-08-10 16:21:31
483.   Gagne55
This is looking like a disaster.
2008-08-10 16:21:32
484.   Who Is Karim Garcia
We have angered the Gods.
2008-08-10 16:21:33
485.   regfairfield
If Ozuna doesn't break the wrong way the game is over there.
2008-08-10 16:21:46
486.   thinkblue88
Bleh.

Come on K/Guo!

2008-08-10 16:21:49
487.   emiller
Ball you can't turn two on and you don't get the easy force at home?
2008-08-10 16:22:12
488.   Linkmeister
Oh, fudge.
2008-08-10 16:22:21
489.   bhsportsguy
That slight movement to the left cost the team a double play.
2008-08-10 16:22:49
490.   SaltinWound
How many outs should Kuo have this inning? Five?
2008-08-10 16:22:53
491.   Linkmeister
The Giants radio announcers are stunned. They can't believe Blake blew that ball.
2008-08-10 16:23:09
492.   StolenMonkey86
who's hurt?
2008-08-10 16:23:50
493.   Alex41592
Martin took the foul off his right hand.
2008-08-10 16:23:56
494.   Andrew Shimmin
How do you not bring in Ardoin?
2008-08-10 16:24:03
495.   UVaDodger
492 Martin
2008-08-10 16:24:10
496.   Disabled List
Ozuna slightly bobbled that ball too, just enough to botch the DP. Our defense has absolutely blown this game.
2008-08-10 16:24:46
497.   thinkblue88
well that sucked.
2008-08-10 16:24:53
498.   regfairfield
Our defense is bad.

Kuo doesn't have the closers mentality.

2008-08-10 16:25:00
499.   UVaDodger
Bums
2008-08-10 16:25:02
500.   Alex41592
What the heck can you do about that?
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2008-08-10 16:25:18
501.   SaltinWound
Oh dear.
2008-08-10 16:25:18
502.   Linkmeister
JT Snow: "What an unbelievable game!"
2008-08-10 16:25:23
503.   GMac In The 909
I blame Bennett.
2008-08-10 16:25:23
504.   Disabled List
Unreal.
2008-08-10 16:25:24
505.   Johnson
Worst. Weekend. Ever.
2008-08-10 16:25:27
506.   underdog
That was horrible. Through like three players wickets. Sad, sad way to end the game.

Welp, I'm outta here. Some fresh air and time away from baseball will be nice. See you all here tomorrow night.

2008-08-10 16:25:47
507.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
O.M.G.
2008-08-10 16:26:02
508.   Linkmeister
"Last four hitters don't even get a ball outta the infield," says Snow.
2008-08-10 16:26:13
509.   Kayaker7
Wow, that was Buckneresque.
2008-08-10 16:26:15
510.   sporky
I think I know what temporary insanity feels like.
2008-08-10 16:26:21
511.   MollyKnight
To repeat, I hate this team so much right now. Our infield defense is absolutely killing us.
2008-08-10 16:26:25
512.   JoeyP
These last two games are remiscient of last year's Colorado series.

I wouldnt fault Torre or Kuo though.

Kuo got killed on balls in play.

2008-08-10 16:26:31
513.   BlueCrew Bruin
I hate the Dodgers. And baseball.

Ugh.

2008-08-10 16:26:34
514.   bhsportsguy
Kuo never came close to striking anyone out that inning.
2008-08-10 16:26:40
515.   Gagne55
Back to back complete meltdowns. This series was an unmigitated disaster.
2008-08-10 16:26:43
516.   Rob M
That was seriously depressing.
2008-08-10 16:27:03
517.   Tripon
Can we just bring up Hu now? Please? Just please?
2008-08-10 16:27:14
518.   Andrew Shimmin
Cycle alert canceled in The City That Knows How. Stand down.
2008-08-10 16:27:23
519.   Alex41592
DeWitt's game saving play against the D'Backs from a while back has been negated. The Gods are not with us.
2008-08-10 16:27:25
520.   underdog
Man, despite all the bad mojo that inning I still thought for sure they were gonna win until the last two plays. BLEH.

Okay, first a twelve pack, and then some fresh air. Stupid, stupid Giants.

2008-08-10 16:27:47
521.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
I need alcohol - stat.
Still, I'm going to say Arizona had a worse weekend than the Dodgers.
2008-08-10 16:27:48
522.   bhsportsguy
512 Kuo's strength is not having balls in play.
2008-08-10 16:27:51
523.   trainwreck
I flippin hate the Giants.
2008-08-10 16:28:12
524.   sporky
523 I hate our infield defense more.
2008-08-10 16:28:34
525.   underdog
511 Wow, pretty strong Molly. Maybe you'll like them more tomorrow?

Okay, take a deep breath. And have a good cry. Ciao.

2008-08-10 16:28:55
526.   Disabled List
That was just our infield defense being our infield defense.
2008-08-10 16:28:56
527.   emiller
And Bochy will be let off the hook for mismanaging Cain because our defense is nonexistent.
2008-08-10 16:29:13
528.   briano
Okay, someone tell me this isn't at all like last year when the Dodgers lost a seemingly easy series against the Giants. Then went on to lose it completely into the ensuing weeks.
2008-08-10 16:29:33
529.   Uncle Miltie
There's no reason why Pablo Ozuna should be on the roster over Chin Lung Hu. Neither player can hit, but Hu is a far better defender and a faster baserunner. I think even Jeff Kent would have made that double play.
2008-08-10 16:29:52
530.   sporky
526 (froths at the mouth)
2008-08-10 16:30:14
531.   Alex41592
And now all we have to do is face the Phillies and Brewers for seven.

It's just a game. It's just a game. It's just a game. (Lather, Rinse, Repeat)

2008-08-10 16:30:31
532.   Greg Brock
A .500 team doing .500 things.

Bummer.

2008-08-10 16:30:35
533.   sporky
529 Ozuna has speed on his side. Or so I thought.
2008-08-10 16:30:41
534.   Disabled List
530 Sorry. But it had to be said.
2008-08-10 16:31:00
535.   Bob Hendley
Stand down he says? I am flat on the floor!
2008-08-10 16:31:00
536.   bhsportsguy
I blame Rich Aureilla, if he fields Kuo's ground ball cleanly, Kuo doesn't have to run the bases.
2008-08-10 16:31:08
537.   briano
Look at our middle infield. Amazing, two bums that nobody else wanted. This looks real good for the rest of the year.
2008-08-10 16:31:11
538.   StolenMonkey86
514 - Kuo was foolishly under the impression that the guys on the field in blue and gray were there to play defense.
2008-08-10 16:31:53
539.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
This coming week:
The Dodgers come home to take on Philly for four games and then Milwaukee for three.
Arizona has tomorrow off, then has a Colorado-Houston road trip
2008-08-10 16:32:10
540.   JoeyP
4-5 record with Manny.
2008-08-10 16:32:21
541.   Marty
This is why Choi invented alcohol.
2008-08-10 16:32:45
542.   Tripon
It was Berroa who couldn't pick up the ball after the ball ran though Kuo's legs. Ozuna's just a backup, but Berroa's starting. Why the heck is Berroa's here over Hu?
2008-08-10 16:32:53
543.   MrCourt123
It's just really, really, really frustrating. This is by no means a team ready to go into the playoffs and make waves.
2008-08-10 16:33:07
544.   sporky
I showing some restraint by waiting until 5pm before I start drinking.
2008-08-10 16:33:16
545.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
532 - Exactly.
Folks, we have known for months the Dodgers are a clownshoes team contending only because they play in a clownshoes division.
This, my friends, was a clownshoes game.
2008-08-10 16:33:38
546.   trainwreck
It is quite silly to have Berroa and Ozuna on your roster at all.
2008-08-10 16:34:21
547.   JoeyP
514--Kuo didnt yield any hard hit balls though. And he threw plenty of strikes.

Just one of those weird 9th innings. They usually prevail in the Dodgers favor, but not today.

2008-08-10 16:34:23
548.   cargill06
does anyone have a "don't jump" book for me?
2008-08-10 16:34:37
549.   trainwreck
544
Yeah, I will wait till it at least the sun starts to go down.
2008-08-10 16:34:56
550.   briano
Am I the only one that sees that this team doesn't want it that bad.
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2008-08-10 16:35:01
551.   MikeLumHarris
This is every Dodger Thoughts comment ever:

"That wouldn't have happened if player X was playing instead of player Y."

2008-08-10 16:35:01
552.   sporky
Silver lining: It's foolish to ascribe logic to Torre, but Ethier had a great game, and JP might be benched for the near future.
2008-08-10 16:35:23
553.   Pedro Astacio
ok, positive thoughts, guys.

1. Nomar activated soon
2. Furcal and Saito activated in a couple of weeks
3. Rotation is: Bills, Lowe, Kuroda, Kershaw, Penny. All above average pitchers with Bills and Kershaw as excellent.
4. We get to go home to regroup.

2008-08-10 16:35:55
554.   bhsportsguy
I'm surprised no one gets motion sickness with all the ups and downs people have on this site.
2008-08-10 16:36:28
555.   cargill06
550 how do you figure?
2008-08-10 16:36:31
556.   emiller
Nomar doesn't help the defense any though.
2008-08-10 16:36:55
557.   BlueCrew Bruin
532 Sadly, I think I agree. I had hoped that the second half would bring improvement and that would lead to the Dodgers pulling away from the rest of the division. I'm coming to terms now with the fact the team has hovered around .500 all season because this is, in fact, a .500 team.

Sigh.

2008-08-10 16:37:17
558.   bhsportsguy
552 Games Juan Pierre starts this past road trip: 1-0
Other games: 1-4.
2008-08-10 16:37:37
559.   underdog
547 - Thanks for being rational and
553 - Thanks for being positive!

550 = Probably not the only one, no, but I don't feel that way at all. You can't quantify "wanting it" and there have been too many games this season where that clearly wasn't the case.

2008-08-10 16:38:16
560.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
553 - That's right; Nomar is back on Tuesday.
Here's what Nomar hit between DL stays: 309/350/618/968 (55 at-bats).
2008-08-10 16:38:27
561.   trainwreck
558
With certain stats, I could even make Steve Lavin look alright.
2008-08-10 16:38:39
562.   underdog
554 I seriously do. I actually started taking Dramamine for it this weekend.
2008-08-10 16:38:40
563.   Tripon
Blake DeWitt: late inning defense replacement.
2008-08-10 16:38:47
564.   Marty
558 What are you, some kind agitator?
2008-08-10 16:39:27
565.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
556 - But he helps the offense enough to lessen the impact of a poor defense.
2008-08-10 16:39:27
566.   sporky
558 Why do you do this to me, sir?
2008-08-10 16:40:00
567.   Tripon
I personally do not think Juan Pierre is our savior.
2008-08-10 16:40:05
568.   underdog
Mood when Dodgers blow a game and lose = resigned; deadly; angry or down.

Mood when Dodgers win a game = cautiously hopeful, expectant, up.

2008-08-10 16:40:32
569.   JoeyP
558--And you're usually the positive one on this site ;)

If Joe looks at that and believes Juan should start..

It is encouraging that Joe has started his best possibe lineup the last couple games.

2008-08-10 16:40:44
570.   StolenMonkey86
Can Juan Pierre play 2nd base?
2008-08-10 16:41:21
571.   emiller
565 Might be true, guess I'm just looking at infield defense costing us this game today rather than Berroa's offense.
2008-08-10 16:41:50
572.   sporky
570 The guy throws left handed.
2008-08-10 16:42:04
573.   Greg Brock
Everybody go look at some LOLcats for a while.
2008-08-10 16:43:59
574.   Tripon
Berroa's defense doesn't really help us either. Sure he may be better defensively than say, Nomar, but Berroa's still below average.
2008-08-10 16:44:00
575.   Tripon
Berroa's defense doesn't really help us either. Sure he may be better defensively than say, Nomar, but Berroa's still below average.
2008-08-10 16:44:10
576.   sporky
573 There's a two-headed cat at cuteoverload.com. It's not helping matters.
2008-08-10 16:44:31
577.   trainwreck
Another bright spot:

Jeff Kent just died a little on the inside.

2008-08-10 16:44:54
578.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Of the 45 games remaining, only 17 are against teams currently above .500.
Of Arizona's 44 games left, they have 10 against opponents with winning records. (Had LA won either last night or today, that number jumps to 16.)
2008-08-10 16:46:20
579.   underdog
I have a real cat on my lap right now. Highly recommend it as a calming device. Keeping me from drinking too.
2008-08-10 16:46:30
580.   trainwreck
Ben Olson has a broken foot and is out 8 weeks.

This may or not be good news depending on your views.

2008-08-10 16:47:52
581.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
571 - Berroa, since taking over for Nomar has "hit" 231/302/333/635 in 39 at-bats, not including today's 0-for-4.
2008-08-10 16:48:08
582.   Tripon
580 USC chances for winning the USC-UCLA game has decreased from 99.9999% to 99.9998 percent.
2008-08-10 16:48:38
583.   StolenMonkey86
http://www.lolcats.com/view/9086/
2008-08-10 16:48:53
584.   Alex41592
Velez would have beaten any throw on that last play. Once the ball got through Kuo the game was over. Casey's error was the backbreaker, but he's been solid so far. It's just back to back frustrating walkoff losses.
2008-08-10 16:49:00
585.   emiller
574 I'm not appologizing for Berroa, he's terrible offensively AND defensively, he shouldn't be a starter on a major league roster. I'm just saying I don't believe Nomar's gonna be an adequate defensive ss. Yes I'd rather have a poor defensive ss that can hit a little, like Nomar, rather than Berroa, but I'd like to have someone I can trust to play some d.
2008-08-10 16:50:02
586.   StolenMonkey86
http://www.lolcats.com/view/471/
2008-08-10 16:50:52
587.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
585 - In the brief time Nomar played shortstop last month, I thought he did fine.
2008-08-10 16:51:34
588.   emiller
581 I agree, Berroa sucks. Please don't think I was arguing in his favor. My point was just that I don't see Nomar as our savior. Furcal on the other hand...
2008-08-10 16:52:39
589.   trainwreck
All this lolcats love is scaring me.
2008-08-10 16:53:49
590.   Alex41592
589 - It's making me feel better.
2008-08-10 16:55:16
591.   underdog
584 I agree. Totally.

I don't think Nomar is our savior either, but on defense he looked surprisingly decent when he was around. His problem has been staying healthy. And as was pointed out, he gives us more offense upside in lieu of Furcal than does Berroa, by a large margin. For the most part, Berroa has exceeded my expectations, but I would prefer to have Nomar in there for his offense and then Hu in there for his defense late. Today was just one of those things, though. Some speed on the basepaths + Casey muffed one, a seeing eye single, and so on. But I would like to have Nomar back, Hu backing him up, and then if we keep one of Ozuna or Berroa as last infielder that's fine.

2008-08-10 16:55:43
592.   cargill06
thanks god they play tomorrow i wouldn't wanna stomach this game for 50+ hours
2008-08-10 16:56:00
593.   underdog
I should have said "exceeded my (low) expectations". Low bar.
2008-08-10 16:57:05
594.   underdog
The Dodgers have tough opponents in Philly and Milwaukee but Arizona's road trip won't be easy, in Denver and in Houston. Especially without Hudson now. All hope is not lost.
2008-08-10 17:00:40
595.   Alex41592
The most frustrating part is we were so close to first place. And now we're at least two games from having that chance again.

D'Backs go to Coors and then the Juice Box in Houston. We're at home and if our starting pitching keeps us in it we're in good shape. We don't face Sabathia or Sheets in the Brewers series.

2008-08-10 17:01:21
596.   trainwreck
594
Wow, we have the same record as the Astros?
2008-08-10 17:03:01
597.   trainwreck
Good thing there is no morality in baseball, because we totally do not deserve to make the playoffs if we are as good as the Astros.
2008-08-10 17:04:58
598.   D4P
There's no way the Chinese female gymnasts are as old as they claim to be.
2008-08-10 17:05:04
599.   emiller
591 I agree Nomar is our best option compared to Berroa. I'm just not a big Nomar guy in general though. He's not gonna stay healthy enough to be our everyday ss for an extended period of time, and I'm still not able to believe in him offensively, although compared to what la is running out there now I guess I need to concede I should.
2008-08-10 17:07:02
600.   ucladodger
What a way to lose 2 ball gammes. In 2 9th innings the Giants hit maybe 2 balls hard and the rest was just pure luck and Dodger futility. A large part of that crapiness points directly to Ned's acquisitions and their defensive play. For all Manny's greatness at the plate, his late jump on Winn's bloop yesterday probably cost ust he game. Today Blake, Ozuna, and Berroa all made defensive miscues that led to runs. Can anyone really tell me why those two are even on the team? Hu is so much better defensively and he cannot be much worse offensively (I don't think he would be nearly as bad as earlier this year. And even if he was, the difference defensively more than offsets the offensive shortcomings). All in all, this was just another painful Dodger weekend. Sometimes I ask myself why i put myself through torture for a team that has never done anything positive since the time I could talk (born in 1987). Then i look at the Way Kemp and Ethier played and I'm remnded that the future is still bright, and once most of the dead weight on the aquad is dropped, the future is even brighter.
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2008-08-10 17:08:02
601.   StolenMonkey86
http://www.lolcats.com/view/13383/
2008-08-10 17:09:08
602.   trainwreck
When is synchronized swimming? That is Walnut Creek's time to shine!

A girl who sat behind me in math and dated one of my friends is on the team.

2008-08-10 17:13:26
603.   gibsonhobbs88
Due to a 30th high school reunion, I was spared last night's agonizing loss. However, this game was so wretched on so many levels I don't know where to begin. For one thing, why were the OF playing so deep in the 4th when Ochoa is up, and why did Ochoa break in first on the pop fly? Also, Vinnie put the hex on Bills - with 2 outs and no one on, Vin said "just what Billingsley needed, a low pitch count inning", then follows 4 consecutive hits for the 2 runs. Also, I guess the Dodgers will continue to pitch to Winn no matter how many times he burns us, even when we have an open base. Then of course, the 9th was a nightmare that doesn't need to be replayed. Within 24 hours, the Dodgers played Santa Claus to the Giants and the D'Backs (indirectly) snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

I don't mean to ruffle the feathers of the posters here, but the differences between the AL Southern California team and the NL Socal Representative in the LA/Orange County region are obvious. The most glaring being, one team finds a way to win, the other finds a new way to lose!

There that is the best I can do without violating Rules, 1,6 and/or 8! I may have to head over to Dodger Blues to fully vent my frustrations over today's game!

2008-08-10 17:30:22
604.   Jon Weisman
NPUT
2008-08-10 17:38:25
605.   jtrichey
This went unmentioned, but was a huge part of that 9th inning. Again we get bitten by the guard the lines defense with the lead. 3rd time this year that I recall. Winn led off with a single, then Rowand is up and Casey Blake is practically standing on the foul line. You know so that he can easily field the foul grounders. Rowands double play ball goes right where a third baseman should be and ends up a single. You know the rest.

I'm not blaming Torre, I'm blaming "the book". Who decided that this asinine practice of not defending the area most likely to get a ball was a good idea?

2008-08-10 22:28:07
606.   Dodger Tony
Worst weekend ever? Hell, one of the worst road trips I can ever remember, as far as crushing losses go. Don't forget, only four days ago Ludwick destroyed our night and started all of this mishugas.
My friends, to be a Dodger fan in the modern era is to be one who endures hideous suffering, albeit not as bad as our Brooklyn bretheren, but very very close. Most teams simply lose games, but our losses are mortifying, almost a cosmic masochism to watch and endure. Year after absurd year, coaching staff after coaching staff, owner after owner, the results seemingly the same: a team in love with the idea of being at .500. It must be against some Dodger Way to actually move out of this self defining and self limiting team identity.
The absolute definition of average are the modern Dodgers, not lousy, not great, just simply good. Nothing really wrong with that, it is just what it is, in the end.
Hats off to the mean, and I don't mean the Gods.

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