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Dodger Thoughts Picnic Today
2008-08-16 08:23
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Elysian Park, 11 a.m. Details here

Comments (80)
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2008-08-16 08:30:36
1.   blue22
Will someone be live blogging the picnic for us out-of-towners?
2008-08-16 08:40:04
2.   Bob Hendley
Out of their basements and into the fields. Looking forward to Bob's scoring of the wiffelball game. Regards from Mexico, have fun you DTistas.
2008-08-16 08:40:16
3.   Jon Weisman
We'll see what we can do.
2008-08-16 08:44:36
4.   madmac
1 no doubt. It's going to be dead around here.

Is Manny still being Manny, or is he now being Samson.

2008-08-16 08:50:55
5.   blue22
Um, not that I'm planning on sitting here hitting F5 on DT all day by myself. I mean, I have very important things to do today. Very important. Lots of stuff.
2008-08-16 08:52:00
6.   jasonungar07
Have fun everyone!
2008-08-16 08:56:01
7.   Dodger Lifer
Dodger Thought friends: I have four tix for Weds the 20th Vs the Rox. I've had something come up and I cant make it. These are loge seats behind home plate. Parking included. Im asking face value $50 or will consider a trade for tix for Thurday afternoon game. If interested please email pablosauto@yahoo.com .

Thanks

2008-08-16 08:59:50
8.   DaDoughboy
As a newbie DTer just wanted to thank you all for making this site an amazingly powerful Blue-glue. Never thought I could actually be more into the Dodgers (or baseball in general) than I was before getting introduced to this gem of a site...enjoy the picnic to those attending, I'll be wallowing in my envy at my desk at work.
2008-08-16 08:59:52
9.   berkowit28
The "x games over .500" lingo bugs me - though I know no one will change. What it really means is "x wins over losses", not over .500.

For example, the Cubs are currently 75-47 (really). So that's called "28 games over .500". But it isn't. The Cubs have played 122 games. A .500 record would be 61-61. So they've actually won 14 games over .500, not 28. It's 28 wins over losses, but 14 games over .500.

The Dodgers are 63-59, also 122 games. So they're 2 games over .500, not 4. But never mind.

2008-08-16 09:02:29
10.   Jon Weisman
9 - You could argue that the Cubs are 28 games over being 47-47, but mainly I would just not take it so literally. And give 110 percent while you're at it.
2008-08-16 09:06:06
11.   berkowit28
10 Yeah, I figure the expression probably came from "watching it happen". Some team, like the Dodgers a few days ago, were at .500, say 59-59. Then won 4 games straight. So that made them "4 games over .500"
2008-08-16 09:13:05
12.   larry slimfast
9 How many games would the Cubs have to drop in a row before they were back at .500?
2008-08-16 09:14:09
13.   Marty
I'm going to drop by after all. I could bring some carne asada, or marinated chicken. Or will there be enough?
2008-08-16 09:19:06
14.   berkowit28
12 28, naturally. That's because they are 28 wins over losses.

The fallacy derives from the fact that .500 is an average, and an average does not remain static when more games are played. Every game played alters the .500 point by half a game. With the team, like the Dodgers, that wins 4 games straight after being .500 at 59-59, the .500 point does not remain at 59 just because the games lost remains at 59. It creeps up by .5 of a game with each game played, until by 63-59 the .500 point is at 61. It just "feels" like it hasn't moved. We're really talking "games lost", not average. (Or "games won", where that's the lower figure to begin with and the team starts losing.)

2008-08-16 09:28:16
15.   berkowit28
So far, we've had so much depth of bullpen pitching, that it hasn't mattered too much when someone good got injured, even Saito. But I'm worried about Corey Wade. He's been so good, and always available instead of Park or Kuo, or after them. He's even closed a few times. Troncoso is no Wade. Has anyone seen anything yet about Wade's progress?
2008-08-16 09:29:02
16.   Gen3Blue
8 well put. Isn't it amazing how this site intensifies your fanhood.
2008-08-16 09:30:48
17.   Bob Timmermann
I fully support the quixotic battle of berkowit28.
2008-08-16 09:33:30
18.   Bob Hendley
17 - Uh oh, another cristian crusade?
2008-08-16 09:37:27
19.   D4P
17
Me too. That one's already on my list.
2008-08-16 09:41:27
20.   Gagne55
9 That's how I felt the first time I heard that phrase too. But I've grown accostumed to it over the years.
2008-08-16 09:43:55
21.   Gen3Blue
For me, there has been an amazing change in the way I view the club in the last few weeks. Before it was pretty hopeless when a starter gave up four runs in the first few innings (as some like Lowe, are prone to do). Now we can put a line-up out there that can overcome that any given day. The change includes the good hitting of Blake and Manny, Nomar, and Torre's willingness to put in our current best players. I'm the type who worries about what we have given up, but I think we had been waiting too long for a future slow in arriving.

Have a good Picnic, I think this streak will make for good spirits all over.

2008-08-16 09:47:37
22.   KG16
winning percentage is an average - wins divided by total games played. just like batting average or slugging percentage or on base percentage (Every AB or PA changes the numbers as well). .500 is just a reference point, saying a team is x games over .500 is just a way of telling you how many they'd have to loss to be back at .500. Nothing more, nothing less.
2008-08-16 09:47:49
23.   Gen3Blue
17,19 I'm ready to also don my armor.

By the way, will there be spirits at the picnic.

2008-08-16 09:49:44
24.   D4P
22
Part of the problem stems from the fact that the word "games" means something different when you say "X games over .500" than it means when you say "X games behind Team Y".
2008-08-16 09:52:54
25.   Bob Hendley
A shirmish on the right flank as pickets engage an initial probe.
2008-08-16 09:57:33
26.   Gen3Blue
Having looked at the picnic details, I obviously meant spirits of past fans anplayers.
2008-08-16 09:59:15
27.   Paul Scott
24 No. They mean exactly the same thing - a combination of two 1/2 game counts representing a win or a loss.

Example:

1. Dodgers are 4 games over .500. So, to reach .500 the Dodgers must accumulate a net of 4 losses over wins relative to the Dodgers in x games.

2. Dodgers are 9 games over the Rockies. So to reach the Rockies, the Dodgers must accumulate a net of 9 more losses over wins relative to the Rockies in x games.

The meaning of games is the same. the only thing that differs is the object of comparison.

2008-08-16 10:09:26
28.   Bob Hendley
I relish the fact that this has even become an issue of discussion and, as mentioned, it should make for a joyful picnic.
2008-08-16 10:21:16
29.   Eric Stephen
you are looking live at Elysian Park...if anyone hasn't left a lighter would be greatly appreciated.
2008-08-16 10:27:13
30.   Bob Hendley
29 - Rub two sticks together. It worked for the Bison.
2008-08-16 10:29:31
31.   D4P
The Bison rubs two sequoias together.
2008-08-16 10:40:53
32.   DaDoughboy
31. Following that rationale, then Pierre must rub 2 chopsticks together?
2008-08-16 10:43:41
33.   D4P
Pierre can create a spark simply by batting in the leadoff spot.
2008-08-16 10:44:55
34.   Bob Hendley
32 - Toothpicks?
2008-08-16 11:19:40
35.   larry slimfast
RE: games over .500

I think Jon said it best. It's just an expression that has several understandable interpretations. Give not worrying about it 110% and you'll not be bothered by it.

That being said, enjoy your picnic. I'm going to Louisville to help film a My Morning Jacket documentary.

Go Dodgers.

2008-08-16 11:35:18
36.   overkill94
35 You are the luckiest man alive
2008-08-16 11:36:22
37.   overkill94
BTW, I'm bummed I can't make it to the picnic, I love hanging out with the DT brethren whenever possible. Unfortunately I'm in Chicago this weekend and have been stuck with Gameday as the only source of Dodger score updates.
2008-08-16 12:05:17
38.   larry slimfast
36 Not really. I play basketball and drink beer with Carl Broemel sometimes. Some friends (including a really good friend of Carl's) and I have a small music video/doc production company in Nashville that we are slowly building on the side. We're not getting paid - unless it get released (very unlikely). It's very small scale - just a for friends thing. Probably just some extra stuff for their website - maybe some bonus stuff for a real DVD.

If you like MMJ though, know that they are wonderfully nice guys and are extremely humbled by their current success.

Baseball content - they're Cub and Cardinal fans.

2008-08-16 12:12:10
39.   Tripon
http://blogs.jsonline.com/brewers/archive/2008/08/16/escobar-quot-most-exciting-quot-in-southern-league.aspx#comments

The story has taken a bit of the absurd when the Brewers beat writers who maintain a blog has decided to stop responding to comments due to personal attacks. Its an amusing read if only because Tom Haudricourt thinks the world of himself. (at least thats the impression I got from reading his post on this subject.)

2008-08-16 12:30:12
40.   trainwreck
I bet those tri-tip sandwiches are delicious.
2008-08-16 12:34:04
41.   Bob Hendley
No word back from the picnic. I fear that they are eating raw meat and getting geared up for wiffleball.
2008-08-16 12:36:25
42.   Bob Hendley
40 - No idea what that is. Is it the small intestine? Chichulines?
2008-08-16 12:36:49
43.   trainwreck
Someone must have brought peach cobbler and sent Bob into a rage.
2008-08-16 12:38:46
44.   trainwreck
Tri-tip is from the bottom sirloin area.
2008-08-16 12:45:06
45.   overkill94
38 Good to hear. They're one of my favorites.
2008-08-16 12:47:35
46.   Bob Hendley
Bob has an aversion to clingy things.
2008-08-16 12:50:06
47.   trainwreck
Someone mentioned Dodger Thoughts on Brian Dohn's UCLA blog.
2008-08-16 13:03:54
48.   Bob Hendley
Mexican tv showing that Bacon/Ward flick with the giant worms in the desert...This fellow Bush, who we are facing today, has given up 20 dingers in 132 innings.
2008-08-16 13:04:35
49.   trainwreck
I love Tremors.
2008-08-16 13:06:17
50.   trainwreck
The sequels...

Not so much.

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2008-08-16 13:09:53
51.   trainwreck
Alan Embree was introducing the A's lineup and said, "Jack OPS Cust."
2008-08-16 13:12:51
52.   Bob Hendley
On the other hand, Bush is 4th in the NL with a WHIP of only 1.133.
2008-08-16 13:20:45
53.   Bob Hendley
50 - Its a gem of a film.
2008-08-16 13:25:17
54.   trainwreck
Seems like they have shown an unnecessary amount of rowing during these Olympics.
2008-08-16 13:51:33
55.   Indiana Jon
54 I agree. Luckily, MSNBC and others are showing the things we want to see. Like US vs. Canada baseball right now.
2008-08-16 13:51:42
56.   Dodgers49
Pitching boosts Suns

>> Rodriguez didn't find out until the day before that he might get the start on Friday. Eric Cyr was scheduled to start but was promoted to Triple-A Las Vegas Thursday night. <<

http://tinyurl.com/5j9dmz

2008-08-16 14:07:55
57.   scareduck
Liveblogging commences now.
2008-08-16 14:08:13
58.   Dodgers49
Ex-51s second baseman leads Tacoma to sweep

>> Kevin Howard haunted his former 51s teammates Friday night in helping the Tacoma Rainiers cap a four-game Pacific Coast League series sweep in Tacoma, Wash.

Howard, a former Las Vegas second baseman, went 3-for-4 with two home runs and five RBIs in the Rainiers' 10-3 win. <<

## Maza, Lindsey, DeWitt, Hu and Xavier Paul each had two of the 12 hits for Las Vegas ##

http://www.lvrj.com/sports/27047239.html

2008-08-16 14:09:00
59.   trainwreck
57
Who is raking in whiffle ball?
2008-08-16 14:10:17
60.   D4P
57
Can you post the wiffle ball box score? Next year, I'm hoping there's a Gameday...
2008-08-16 14:13:49
61.   D4P
I bet Bob intentionally caused a CI, either while catching or hitting.
2008-08-16 14:16:24
62.   trainwreck
I hope they didn't force the 6'5" guy to catch.
2008-08-16 14:17:52
63.   Indiana Jon
57 Can we at least get the starting pitchers for today's game before placing our bets?
2008-08-16 14:23:09
64.   scareduck
60 - eleventy to three. No CI's though.
2008-08-16 14:24:18
65.   jasonungar07
I get to see MMJ in San Diego, thankfully they are not Padre fans.
2008-08-16 14:24:21
66.   scareduck
Jon just left. Stupid real life.
2008-08-16 14:27:54
67.   D4P
66
Are you taking photos (that you plan to post)?
2008-08-16 14:46:28
68.   Dodgers49
New York Times article:

Manny Stars as Manny in a New Summer Hit

http://tinyurl.com/6gym45

2008-08-16 14:54:00
69.   scareduck
66 - that's a good idea.
2008-08-16 15:07:09
70.   Jon Weisman
I am home about to commence the baths. It was a fun picnic, and I'm happy to say it's continuing on without me.
2008-08-16 15:28:19
71.   Dodgers49
Diamond Leung interviews Sabathia:

Sabathia thinking blue?

http://tinyurl.com/5nwa79

2008-08-16 15:30:40
72.   jasonungar07
Here's tonight's lineup:

Kemp, CF

Ethier, RF

Kent, 2B

Manny, LF

Loney, 1B

Martin, C

Nomar, SS

Blake, 3B

Lowe, P

2008-08-16 15:52:11
73.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Just got back from the picnic in time to shower and head back out for the game.

The tri tip and carne asada was amazing. The dodger quiz was a real battle of the minds. Whiffle ball turned into a doubleheader with the first game being slow pitch and the latter game moving to fast pitch.

Awesome time. Many of us are doing this again prior to the start of postseason- right before the Dodgers first game.

2008-08-16 15:58:50
74.   Dodgers49
Nationals lose rights to first-round pick Crow

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/26232387/

2008-08-16 16:01:31
75.   mintxcore
Mr. Karim and Mr. bhsports did an incredible job on the grill with the carne asada... so good! I ate a bit too much and felt like throwing a few cookies during the whiffle ball...

I would like to point out I have a 1.000 OBP in our two league games.... We NEED to hang out and play again soon as I had an incredible time!

2008-08-16 16:14:40
76.   Andrew Shimmin
I think Mr. Karim won the picnic. Manning the grill, medaling in the Griddle triva challenge, and pitching in the wiffle ball game. Second place I'd give to Marty's dog Sam. Then ToyCannon, who came pretty close to breaking Matt Luke in the Q&A. Fourth place, I'd give to Marty's other dog, Sadie.
2008-08-16 16:15:00
77.   Alex41592
1-0 D'Backs Top 1. Dunn RBI single and is now 1-13 against Backe.
2008-08-16 16:15:47
78.   Andrew Shimmin
Also, I think Torre must have had a spy at the picnic, and put Ethier into tonight's lineup just to spite GibsonHobbs.
2008-08-16 16:19:22
79.   Dodgers49
Someone misses Pierre's havoc-creating presence. :-)

Can Webb counter the Manny Effect?

>> With Juan Pierre's playing time cut due to Ramirez's arrival, the speed and havoc-creating presence is missing from the top of the lineup (although Matt Kemp is doing a reasonable imitation, with some power as well). <<

## I would be surprised if Ramirez stays with the Dodgers beyond this season for a couple of reasons. Number one is that Ramirez hired the notorious Scott Boras last winter, and when a player does that, it usually indicates he is looking for the biggest financial gain he can get in the market, no matter where it may come from. ##

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/26202546/

2008-08-16 16:23:01
80.   Jon Weisman
NPUT

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