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Kershaw XVI: Kershawnce To Dream
2008-08-28 15:15
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Dodgers at Nationals, 4:10 p.m.
Today's Lineups
Los Angeles
Matt Kemp, CF
Andre Ethier, RF
Manny Ramirez, LF
Jeff Kent, 2B
James Loney, 1B
Casey Blake, 3B
Danny Ardoin, C
Angel Berroa, SS
Clayton Kershaw, P
Washington
Anderson Hernandez, 2B
Christian Guzman, SS
Ryan Zimmerman, 3B
Lastings Milledge, CF
Ron Belliard, 1B
Elijah Dukes, RF
Willie Harris, LF
Wil Nieves, C
John Lannan, P
Cory Wade was officially activated today, and Tanyon Sturtze was assigned for designation, reports Tony Jackson of the Daily News.

From the Dodgers' press release: "Wade had worked more innings (52.2) than any Dodgers reliever from the time he was recalled from Triple-A Las Vegas on April 24 to the time he was placed on the DL."







Comments (287)
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2008-08-28 15:26:50
1.   LAT
Ding dong, the widget's dead. Long live the faster opening DT page!!!
(Has it been gone for a while and I'm just noticing?)
2008-08-28 15:27:52
2.   Tripon
''We wish Jay well and will miss him -- not personally, of course -- but in the sense of noticing he is no longer here, at least for a few days,'' Cooke said. ''A paper, like a sports franchise, is something that moves into the future. Stars come and stars go, but the Sun-Times sports section was, is and will continue to be the best in the city.''

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/1131768,CST-SPT-deluca28.article

BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURN.

2008-08-28 15:29:37
3.   GMac In The 909
Tanyon, you're cut.

(Five minutes later ...)

Just kidding.

(Twenty-four hours later ...)

Seriously, Tanyon, why haven't you packed your things yet?

2008-08-28 15:29:53
4.   D4P
I'm waiting for a Dale Gribble-themed Kershaw title, along the lines of "Kershaw --: Ker-shi-shi-shawwww..."
2008-08-28 15:30:18
5.   scareduck
LAT'd in the last thread:

Not that too many people care about the AL East here, but Beckett's been shut down and will visit Dr. James Andrews:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=mlb&id=3558517

Might mean the Twinks go to the postseason as the Wild Card.

2008-08-28 15:30:20
6.   Tripon
1 The ads are still here.

And I find it funny that Tanyon Sturtze was DFAed despite having a 0.00 ERA. Funny amusing, not funny odd.

2008-08-28 15:30:36
7.   dzzrtRatt
Matt Kemp has vowed to be the first leadoff hitter in baseball history to hit a grand slam in his first at-bat.
2008-08-28 15:30:54
8.   scareduck
1 - I got fed up with it and started using AdBlock Plus to nuke it.
2008-08-28 15:31:03
9.   regfairfield
He should sue.
2008-08-28 15:31:06
10.   Kevin Lewis
0

I don't know how I feel about Proctor coming back. I forgot he was still on the team

2008-08-28 15:34:57
11.   scareduck
7 - he's two years too late for that.
2008-08-28 15:36:26
12.   Kevin Lewis
Not that I want him to be rushed back, but what is Saito's rehab looking like?
2008-08-28 15:38:51
13.   trainwreck
What the heck? I have new Firefox and AdBlock Plus and it does not block any of these things.

I don't mind the widget though.

2008-08-28 15:40:43
14.   LAT
[8.] Maybe the widget is still there and my firm's software is blocking it. It was really slowing down the loading of my DT page before.

[6.] I don't mind the ads. If Jon can make some $$$ with DT I'm all for it. (Even if it means reestablishing the widget.)

2008-08-28 15:40:45
15.   Tripon
• The Buc stops: Pedro Alvarez's conscientious objection to signing his own contract isn't the Pirates' only issue. Scouts who have followed the Pirates have been buzzing about Andy LaRoche's lethargic play since he arrived from the Dodgers, who traded him because they had the same concerns.

"To see that effort level is really disappointing," one scout said. "I'm stunned that the effort level has been so poor. To see a kid hitting .170 and not running ground balls out, it's hard to fathom. This isn't the kind of player this team needs. They need more dirt balls and fire guys who scratch and claw."

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=3557223&type=story

2008-08-28 15:41:39
16.   D4P
15
Just confirms my suspicions about Andy and Management's concerns about him.
2008-08-28 15:42:25
17.   underdog
Hard to feel sorry for ol' Tanyon but I was pleasantly surprised Torre defied some expectations and hardly used him while he was around. More importantly, though, it'll be good to have Wade back. I wouldn't mind having a healthy Proctor back, either -- when he's not overused and healthy he can be pretty solid.
2008-08-28 15:42:33
18.   Tripon
Also:

• Blakes all around: The Dodgers have interest in bringing back Casey Blake. But that wouldn't mean that the guy he deposed at third base, Blake DeWitt, would be consigned to two years in Las Vegas. Scouts report the Dodgers have been playing DeWitt at second base in Triple-A because they believe he might be versatile enough to supplant Jeff Kent there next year.

There goes two draft picks, or one compensation pick due to Blake playing himself in type-B FA.

2008-08-28 15:43:37
19.   trainwreck
18
I said we would do it.

Sigh.

2008-08-28 15:46:43
20.   Tripon
19 Interesting that they don't see Hu as a possible 2nd baseman. If they resign Furcal to a one year deal, does that mean the Dodgers see Hu as a backup in the majors?
2008-08-28 15:47:36
21.   cargill06
20 I would doubt that considering one source saying the Dodgers said Hu was "untouchable" at the deadline.
2008-08-28 15:48:21
22.   trainwreck
20
No, Ned is just very cautious with young guys unless he has no choice.
2008-08-28 15:48:26
23.   Tripon
21 But the Dodgers won't have room for Hu unless Furcal isn't resigned.
2008-08-28 15:48:33
24.   underdog
If we don't resign Blake though, shouldn't we at least bring back Furcal unless his prognosis is really iffy? I love the youth movement as much as anyone but not sure I want to start the season with basically all rookies plus Loney in the infield...
2008-08-28 15:49:10
25.   Jon Weisman
I wouldn't take Jayson Stark's word on the Dodgers for anything.
2008-08-28 15:49:40
26.   cargill06
They could be thinking, re-sign Blake or Furcal, than go from there.

If they sign Blake than you got Blake, Hu, DeWitt

If you sign Furcal than you gut DeWitt, Furcal, Hu

2008-08-28 15:50:51
27.   underdog
That's probably about right. Or Hu-dson. ;-)

Even if they resign Blake, don't the Dodgers stand to have some extra draft picks next year anyway?

2008-08-28 15:51:32
28.   Tripon
25 I thought Stark was just posting what was said to him from scouts around the Majors. Its not like this was a hit piece ala his crap against Manny.
2008-08-28 15:52:10
29.   Eric Stephen
Jon, I like the "assigned for designation", by the way.
2008-08-28 15:54:35
30.   trainwreck
24
Do we have that many better options? I would rather see the young guys stink than watch Casey Blake stink.
2008-08-28 15:56:03
31.   dzzrtRatt
Maybe LaRoche has a thyroid problem.
2008-08-28 15:56:11
32.   Jon Weisman
28 - More anonymous sources that can say whatever they want. Just because Stark writes the Dodgers have interest in signing Casey Blake doesn't mean it's any more likely to happen.
2008-08-28 16:00:17
33.   sporky
30 They'd be cheaper stinkers, too.
2008-08-28 16:01:23
34.   trainwreck
33
Yeah, that is part of the point.

We really should have gone into full rebuild mode a year ago, but they keep saying that LA won't stand for that nonsense.

2008-08-28 16:02:39
35.   Tripon
Man, the Sun Times is really promoting the end of Mariotti.

Found in a thread on BTF:

http://i33.tinypic.com/213lx0h.jpg

2008-08-28 16:04:16
36.   sporky
35 No way...
2008-08-28 16:05:19
37.   MJW101
Maybe now that Blake is on a hitting streak we should trade him back to Cleveland for Santana.
2008-08-28 16:05:25
38.   Tripon
http://www.suntimes.com/news/commentary/letters/1132064,CST-SPT-jayreax28.article

reader comments on the firing. Makes me wonder what the response to be to a Plaschke firing would do.

2008-08-28 16:10:27
39.   dzzrtRatt
Hmm, Manny batting third, ahead of Kent.
2008-08-28 16:10:29
40.   MJW101
If Ned & Co really wanted a PVL 3b that can actually play defense and hit they should have traded for M. Mora since he is also signed for 2009. Maybe, this offseason?
2008-08-28 16:12:01
41.   Tripon
40 Mora would have cost more than what we gave up acquire Casey Blake.

At least another player of Meloan's caliber. Like Bryan Morris.

2008-08-28 16:13:24
42.   trainwreck
40
Let's not trade any more prospects away. We need to make sure to have good depth in the minors.
2008-08-28 16:13:44
43.   underdog
30 Oh very possibly. I wouldn't mind having Blake around as a fill-in guy but he'd be too overpriced for that. There may very well be better options out there. I just didn't see that many ML-ready options for third within the Dodgers' organization other than DeWitt, if he is indeed being switched to 2nd next year.
2008-08-28 16:14:12
44.   thinkblue88
woo hooo!!!
2008-08-28 16:14:15
45.   dzzrtRatt
Man, I'll be glad to stop having to watch the Dodgers play through the Goodyear Blimp. They look like ants.

It's many years off, but what do the Nats plan to do if they're ever in the postseason? I can't think the networks would want to show a World Series game from that angle.

2008-08-28 16:14:44
46.   bhsportsguy
38 Plaschke, at least from what I can tell, does go out to games and face his subjects.

Apparently Manny needs Jeff Kent to protect him.

2008-08-28 16:14:52
47.   Jon Weisman
Here come the Kent protecting Manny stories ...
2008-08-28 16:15:07
48.   underdog
Well, that didn't take long! 2-zip Dodgers in the first after a Manny 2 run blast.
2008-08-28 16:15:11
49.   fanerman
Wait. You can score more than one run on a home run?
2008-08-28 16:15:45
50.   underdog
47 - LOL. Whatever works, man, whatever works.
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2008-08-28 16:15:45
51.   sporky
Oh shoot... there's a game on.
2008-08-28 16:15:48
52.   bhsportsguy
42 There was going to be a time when these types of trade were going to be made, it happens in every organization (okay the Angels don't but they may wait too late at times).
2008-08-28 16:16:36
53.   trainwreck
I forgot there is baseball on today. Got college football on the brain.
2008-08-28 16:17:15
54.   Jon Weisman
53 - So you're saying that tonight is reserved for Stanford-Oregon State thoughts?
2008-08-28 16:17:20
55.   underdog
Lannan's off to just the kind of horrible start the Dodgers needed.
2008-08-28 16:17:42
56.   bhsportsguy
38 I think from the local teams and athletes in general perspective, Mariotti just attacked but never faced his subjects, so they felt he couldn't know the whole story since he never went down there.
2008-08-28 16:17:54
57.   trainwreck
52
Oh I know that. One of the reasons you build a strong farm system with a lot of depth is to trade players to improve the big league team.

Our system is just getting a bit thin it seems.

2008-08-28 16:18:07
58.   underdog
One of the women on our soccer team couldn't make our practice tonight because she's going to that Stanford game. I said, incredulously, "college football already?!"
2008-08-28 16:18:09
59.   arborial
if we score 10 runs tonight I am going to be sour that we couldn't spread that out over the series and win all 3
2008-08-28 16:18:10
60.   Dane Bramage
Hoo, let's make this one a laffer that Kershaw can comfortably go the distance with!
2008-08-28 16:18:28
61.   bhsportsguy
53 He's on a 97 hour countdown before the UCLA game.
2008-08-28 16:18:40
62.   Sam DC
John Lannan is on my son's fantasy baseball team.

Bob is doubly happy with this game.

2008-08-28 16:18:48
63.   trainwreck
54
I actually literally forgot about baseball, but I will definitely be watching that game if people want to talk about it.
2008-08-28 16:19:26
64.   Megaballs
As the Ned Colletti Reign of Error comes to an end, does anyone have a tally on the number of prospects Ned's traded in the past three years?

2008 count is 7.

Thank you.

2008-08-28 16:19:48
65.   Gen3Blue
If anything is broken in Loney's hand, I might actually admit defeat. He is one of our few solid citizens. Not yet though.
2008-08-28 16:20:04
66.   bhsportsguy
57 Actually, the one thing I worry about his how Withrow and Ethan Martin will turn out since you really can't count on much beyond your first round pick. (The Dodgers have done great at lower picks but you make the biggest gains at your first pick)
2008-08-28 16:21:17
67.   underdog
Letting Lannan off the hook a bit there, though I won't carp about getting a couple of runs at least.
2008-08-28 16:22:21
68.   trainwreck
66
I know this is probably blasphemy, but I wish we would stop drafting a high school pitcher every year in the first round. Can't we get some hitters?
2008-08-28 16:22:23
69.   underdog
Speaking of prospects, do we think we'll see Scott Elbert called up when rosters expand?
2008-08-28 16:22:39
70.   Tripon
Wait, Loney's hand is broken?
2008-08-28 16:23:16
71.   underdog
68 - I was kinda hoping that this year, though I wasn't expecting it from pitcher-happy Logan White. And I do agree with him that you can never have enough top pitching prospects. But yeah, a hitter picked high would've been nice for a change.
2008-08-28 16:23:16
72.   bhsportsguy
64 I think he will be a lame duck GM in 2009. Of course, McCourt could surprise us all and give him an extension in September. From a organizational stability move, that would be the best thing to do so people don't ask questions about that.
2008-08-28 16:24:25
73.   bhsportsguy
68 White has said repeatedly, predicting hitters is just a lot harder than pitchers.
2008-08-28 16:26:21
74.   underdog
No, Loney's hand isn't broken. He was HBP but is still in there and looks fine.

--
Argh, Clayton, don't do that!

2008-08-28 16:27:19
75.   underdog
Can't we just have an easy game for once? No, I guess not.
2008-08-28 16:28:06
76.   bhsportsguy
75 No matter how bad this team is, if you just throw fastballs, you will get hit.
2008-08-28 16:28:42
77.   Dane Bramage
Again, like Prometheus, we are doomed to get our very heart/liver/spleen whatever pecked out by these pesky vultures day after day...
2008-08-28 16:28:51
78.   regfairfield
64 Before 2008 (prospect defined as less than one year of service time, actual skill need not apply):
Steve Schmoll, Edwin Jackson, Chuck Tiffany, Jarrod Plummer, Cody Ross, Dioner Navarro, Justin Ruggiano, Blake Johnson, Julio Pimental, Willy Aybar, Joel Guzman, Sergio Pedroza, Jhonny Nunez, Travis Denker
2008-08-28 16:28:59
79.   sporky
When's the last time Kershaw threw his changeup?
2008-08-28 16:29:45
80.   Tripon
We drafted Lambo in the 4th round in 2007. Its not as if you have to be a first rounder to be assured of success.
2008-08-28 16:30:08
81.   Neal Pollack
Who wants to bet that Blake strikeout after two gift baserunners comes back to haunt us? Wasn't this team good two weeks ago? What the hell happened? Embarrassing.
2008-08-28 16:32:27
82.   underdog
79 - Looked like he threw it once this inning to get the first batter out and then that was it, as far as I could see.

Sigh, settle down Young Kershaw.

2008-08-28 16:32:31
83.   bhsportsguy
80 Yeah but historically, the rate of major league success falls dramatically after the first round. Of course that could change a little due to the recent trend of giving out higher bonuses to lower round picks.
2008-08-28 16:32:37
84.   Lexinthedena
80 Not the best example. Lambo was a 1st round talent with character issues. I agree with you though.
2008-08-28 16:32:57
85.   Tripon
And Clayton Kershaw loses his luster.
2008-08-28 16:33:03
86.   sporky
This can't be happening.
2008-08-28 16:33:06
87.   Neal Pollack
Oy.
2008-08-28 16:33:24
88.   GMac In The 909
This stinks.
2008-08-28 16:33:39
89.   trainwreck
A fastball down the middle, I do not know the results yet, but that can't be good.
2008-08-28 16:33:57
90.   trainwreck
Yep, it's what I thought.
2008-08-28 16:33:58
91.   dzzrtRatt
Oh my. Wow. Like...huh.
2008-08-28 16:34:21
92.   GMac In The 909
Pigskin, take me away.
2008-08-28 16:34:39
93.   dzzrtRatt
For those who can't hear Charlie Steiner, he pointed out Kershaw's road ERA is 5.79.
2008-08-28 16:35:00
94.   fanerman
Egads.
2008-08-28 16:35:01
95.   underdog
Oy vey, in fact.

From 2-0 to 2-5 just like that.

All part of the sometimes painfultowatch learning experience.

The thing is, this game can be had still because Lannan looks hittable. But only if we don't give them 10 runs.

2008-08-28 16:35:18
96.   scareduck
Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot. Over.

Just got back to the office, the Dodgers are down three, and the inning ain't over yet?

I assume the quietude of the crowd is due to the fact that nobody's in the stands.

2008-08-28 16:35:34
97.   Dane Bramage
Just like that, we are now playing catchup.
2008-08-28 16:35:34
98.   Harold M Johnson
oh... no. man. hmm.
2008-08-28 16:35:54
99.   Kevin Lewis
Holy cow. I looked away and it was 2-0. I come back and it is 5-2?

I am sad

2008-08-28 16:35:56
100.   GMac In The 909
Is JJJ warming yet?
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2008-08-28 16:36:31
101.   underdog
Oh well. I guess when you're only 12 years old, it's hard to be perfect all the time.
2008-08-28 16:37:01
102.   trainwreck
Oh we're never gonna survive unless
We get a little crazy
2008-08-28 16:37:12
103.   ToyCannon
A few more games like this and Kershaw's innings will be low enough to allow him to pitch in the playoffs.
2008-08-28 16:37:12
104.   scareduck
72 - and then he will fire Colletti mid-season 2009. To show he cares.
2008-08-28 16:37:39
105.   Gen3Blue
I can't believe this. but I have had a feeling they were sort of doing an Edwin Jackson on Kershaw. But I believe the kid can take it and will be fine by the time he's 22 or 3. But the teams we play smell blood, and those in the western division even more so.

The only good thing that could happen is the team rallying around now to end this madness, perhaps to protect Kershaw.

2008-08-28 16:38:31
106.   scareduck
Wil Freaking Nieves almost gets one out.
2008-08-28 16:39:08
107.   bhsportsguy
105 There's a difference, they actually had a plan with Kershaw, Jim Tracy never had a plan with Jackson.
2008-08-28 16:39:55
108.   underdog
Oh well. He got out of it at least. No harm done. (Cough) Er, some harm done. Okay, a lot of harm done.

Still, I wouldn't give up on this game...

2008-08-28 16:40:15
109.   ToyCannon
Maybe Kershaw will follow Beckett to visit Dr. Andrews?
2008-08-28 16:40:33
110.   bhsportsguy
And I think you have to believe, Kershaw has probably tried to be a little extra fine in these last couple of starts and he might be a little to hyped up.
2008-08-28 16:40:53
111.   Zach the Ripper
I'm sorry to say it, but if we get swept by the Nationals we are officially the laughingstock of baseball.
2008-08-28 16:41:03
112.   bhsportsguy
109 You think he's hurt?
2008-08-28 16:41:30
113.   ToyCannon
107
I'm not a Jim Tracy fan but come on. He came up and won one of the great debuts of our time. Expectations were in order.
2008-08-28 16:42:03
114.   I Love LA
wow we are just ridiculously bad. I can't wait unil Sunday night when we are 6.5 games back and be in 3rd place. This is depressing. Please for the sake of baseball can we just forfeit our remaining games?
2008-08-28 16:42:12
115.   bhsportsguy
111 And the Mets who got beat my the Nationals late last year to knock them out of the playoffs, were they the laughingstock of the league?

(Okay, maybe a bad example)

2008-08-28 16:42:57
116.   trainwreck
114
Your handle followed by your message makes that funny.
2008-08-28 16:43:00
117.   Tripon
Yeah, the D'Backs don't have to worry about us.
2008-08-28 16:43:20
118.   bhsportsguy
113 No, I'm just saying there was never a stated plan except for when Tracy said Jackson had the 5th spot to lose in ST, and Jackson lost it.
2008-08-28 16:43:35
119.   ToyCannon
112
No, I've been worried about Kershaw blowing out his arm ever since he arrived. It was the reason for the Minotaur nickname in the first place.
2008-08-28 16:44:09
120.   worz
Wow! I logged in, saw the score and my first thought was that it was left over from yesterday. Holy cow! This is getting really ridiculous.
2008-08-28 16:44:12
121.   oshea2002
We're an average team, although I would argue that with our talent we should be better. But we're not, so the team will be streaky. But this is bordering on the insane.
2008-08-28 16:44:57
122.   trainwreck
Oregon State/Stanford thoughts is not looking so bad now is it?
2008-08-28 16:46:00
123.   underdog
Please people. Forfeit? Give up? The Dbacks will beat up on us? They're just as bad as we are these days! Never give up, never surrender!

Activate the Omega 13.

2008-08-28 16:46:09
124.   Tripon
At the moment, we're a below average team. Really, we're not better than the Giants, Rockies, or Padres at the moment.
2008-08-28 16:46:24
125.   Lexinthedena
Everyone is giving up on the team now. I never really felt like the Dodgers had a chance with Berroa/Nomar/kent up the middle, a team can not win with that as it's defensive backbone. That being said, this team is not out of it in the horrible west.
2008-08-28 16:46:59
126.   oshea2002
122 - for some weird reason I'm liking the Tree. Oregon state always starts slow and finishes strong.
2008-08-28 16:47:46
127.   sporky
Thanks, Cristian.
2008-08-28 16:48:19
128.   Dane Bramage
Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? (Heck) no!
2008-08-28 16:48:54
129.   ToyCannon
Torre was used to Jeter's range so Nomar and Kent probably look just fine to him.
2008-08-28 16:49:51
130.   underdog
Hey, Kershaw had a 1-2-3 inning!

Okay, now back to the Pessimism Club.

2008-08-28 16:50:10
131.   GMac In The 909
124 Well, at the moment, the Dodgers aren't better than the Nationals.
2008-08-28 16:50:37
132.   MJW101
An average team plays around .500. The 2008 Dodgers have consistently been a BELOW .500 team.
2008-08-28 16:50:57
133.   trainwreck
Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around
And hurt you!
2008-08-28 16:51:00
134.   Lexinthedena
129 Hey! Jeter had intangibles!
2008-08-28 16:51:46
135.   underdog
Keep in mind that neither Nomar nor Berroa were supposed to be the shortstops this season. And Hu was given a chance to stay there for awhile and was abysmal at the plate. So chalk it up to a mix of bad luck, regression and disappointment, but I don't think those guys were expected to be helping out up the middle. It's why they were trying to trade for Jack Wilson (who would've been an improvement but cost way too much). Kent was supposed to hit enough still to make up for his lack of range. he hasn't. But there we are.
2008-08-28 16:52:08
136.   scareduck
133 - we've been Rickrolled!
2008-08-28 16:52:16
137.   trainwreck
I used to argue with one of my roommates that Jeter was not a good defensive player.

His reasoning was that Jeter dove into the stands that one time after he caught the ball.

2008-08-28 16:53:17
138.   oshea2002
My only reason for watching the women's half of the US Open is now gone.
2008-08-28 16:54:40
139.   trainwreck
138
Wow.
2008-08-28 16:56:02
140.   Zach the Ripper
Losing games in a pennent race to a team with 1/3 of our payroll with the worst record is nothing, if not laughable. We stink, and yes it as much the kids fault as the veterans in the last few games.
2008-08-28 16:56:14
141.   scareduck
Rick Monday is turning into one of the Pirates broadcasters.
2008-08-28 16:56:18
142.   Harold M Johnson
132 The Dodgers are exactly at .500 against the NL this year. It's that darn interleague that has us below .500!
2008-08-28 16:57:06
143.   ToyCannon
123
Sometimes surrender leads to serenity.
2008-08-28 16:57:38
144.   I Love LA
let's see if we can score another run for this game. I bet we will give up more though.
2008-08-28 16:57:44
145.   Tripon
Man, we keep on letting opposing starters get into grooves.
2008-08-28 16:59:00
146.   Lexinthedena
135 No doubt. If Furcal stays healthy, Dodgers lead the division by a few games if not more.
2008-08-28 16:59:31
147.   trainwreck
It seems like Kent swings on 3-0 no matter what.
2008-08-28 16:59:46
148.   underdog
Has this ever been a more negative space than it is right now? Probably, though it's hard to recall at the moment.

Well anyway, may they surprise us all by coming back. I'm going to clean my office for awhile as a cathartic experience and then go play soccer. Life goes on...

2008-08-28 16:59:53
149.   ToyCannon
This can't end this way, we must mount a comeback. We must, or my name isn't Inigo Montoya.
2008-08-28 17:00:14
150.   Tripon
We can't even blame Journey for this losing streak on the road. That's the real tragedy.
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2008-08-28 17:01:15
151.   scareduck
148 - try reading some of the late 2005 posts.
2008-08-28 17:01:58
152.   ToyCannon
148
It was pretty negative last August. It was pretty negative in 2005 from July on. It was pretty negative in Nov 2005. But this has to be in the top 5 since I've been here and with good reason. Whatever the reason, this team is getting it's head handed to them by a series of very lousy pitchers.
2008-08-28 17:03:01
153.   trainwreck
I wish we brought in Ronnie Belliard.
2008-08-28 17:03:06
154.   Tripon
Kershaw's getting pulled.
2008-08-28 17:03:36
155.   underdog
Oh I'm sure. I just didn't want to revisit those equally or more gloomy discussions. ;-) Not saying there's not good reason for depression and frustration, just that it's all a big bummerfest.
2008-08-28 17:03:37
156.   Jim Hitchcock
123 I think I'd rather see the Omega man activated.
2008-08-28 17:03:53
157.   Gen3Blue
107 I appreciate the difference BH.
123 Underdog, Is that Galaxy Quest? I will never give up if someone has seen that movie.
I'm not giving up--just saying this has reached the ridiculous stage. Watching our poor players come to the plate now is like watching the French aristocrats being led to the Guillotine. But Ethier and Manny may be immune to this fear, for reasons I won't even look at.
2008-08-28 17:05:11
158.   oshea2002
Maybe it will start raining.
2008-08-28 17:06:57
159.   Gen3Blue
152 Cannon I hope thats the answer. Maybe we need good pitchers to get out of this. Maybe Haren and Webb. I know this sounds ridiculous but I may be a bit unhinged at the moment.
2008-08-28 17:07:16
160.   Lexinthedena
149 Insert Antonio Anfonseca joke...
2008-08-28 17:07:38
161.   MJW101
How many players (mediocre does not count) that the Ned has traded for over the last three seasons will probably be on the 2009 Dodgers roster? Answer, ONE (Ethier, unless he is traded). Interestingly, it was Ned's first trade. Downhill from there.

It is hard to build a championship caliber team when you consistently trade for dross or temps.

2008-08-28 17:07:59
162.   Jim Hitchcock
159 Okay, guys....it's time to think happy thoughts (ducks).
2008-08-28 17:08:15
163.   Tripon
Why the heck can't we turn DPs?
2008-08-28 17:09:42
164.   underdog
155/156 - Yep, that was a Galaxy Quest reference, by Grabthar's hammer! Ok, back to cleaning. Sigh.
2008-08-28 17:09:58
165.   68elcamino427
The real reason for this sad state of affairs?

Gary Bennett - Never Forget.

2008-08-28 17:10:16
166.   Neal Pollack
Steve Lyons just mentioned the Dodgers' inability "for whatever reason", to turn a double play.

Does "because they're old and slow" ring any bells?

2008-08-28 17:10:33
167.   trainwreck
I watched Tongan Ninja last night with Jemaine Clement.

Very silly, but okay.

2008-08-28 17:10:56
168.   Tripon
Just wondering. How is Kent's arm historically? He always seems to be late with the throw to first base lately.
2008-08-28 17:12:27
169.   Lexinthedena
So let's talk '09 for fun....

Here is my ideal lineup, that I feel is somewhat plausible...(i've posted it before)

Martin C
Kemp CF
Ethier RF
Manny LF
Loney 1B
O-Dawg 2b
DeWitt 3b
Hu SS

Rotation
C.C
Billz
Kuroda
Kershaw
J-Mac (or) Penny (or) Stults...

have at it boys

Jones ends up a Yankee

2008-08-28 17:15:29
170.   trainwreck
169
Are you expecting the Yankees to get some kind of new idiot GM?
2008-08-28 17:18:20
171.   Lexinthedena
170- no, but I think with there lack of depth in CF, they can afford to take him for one year.
2008-08-28 17:19:15
172.   Tripon
The Yankees aren't that dumb. They're more likely to sign Manny as a center fielder than trade for Jones.
2008-08-28 17:19:15
173.   regfairfield
169 It's nice, but I don't think we can afford it.
2008-08-28 17:19:34
174.   bhsportsguy
171 Why would anyone take Jones or Pierre next year? This is not the NBA where you get some salary cap relief.
2008-08-28 17:20:33
175.   Harold M Johnson
UGH. Another Sweeny AB.
2008-08-28 17:20:59
176.   Jim Hitchcock
I think Mark Sweeney should be more properly called a pinch out specialist.
2008-08-28 17:21:46
177.   Neal Pollack
Yes, but he "knows what his role is."
2008-08-28 17:22:53
178.   Lexinthedena
Jones to NY is possible, why is it dumb for New York to take a 1 year flier on a guy who can play a solid center field? 18 mil is nothing to them.
2008-08-28 17:23:56
179.   Humma Kavula
I fear that Blake will be offered a contract.

I also fear that though the Dodgers will be in the running for Manny, The Two Steinbrenners with the Same Name will win the bidding.

When they fail to get Manny, they will get Orlando Hudson, forgetting that they have DeWitt to play 2B.

Martin C
Loney 1B
Hudson 2B
Hu SS
Blake 3B
Ethier LF
Pierre/Jones CF
Kemp RF

Billingsley
Kuroda
Kershaw
Penny
Free Agent Mediocrity

2008-08-28 17:24:58
180.   trainwreck
178
Because Miguel Cabrera can do the same for barely any money.
2008-08-28 17:25:12
181.   D4P
Finally: Rick Astley Thoughts.

"It Would Take a Strong Strong Man" was/is my favorite.

2008-08-28 17:26:17
182.   Humma Kavula
180 Surely you mean Melky.
2008-08-28 17:27:10
183.   trainwreck
182
Yeah, whoops.

The one who can't hit, but can field.

2008-08-28 17:27:10
184.   Ken Noe
This is like last year, except the team was good before it collapsed.

No point in projecting next year's roster until we know who the GM is.

2008-08-28 17:27:49
185.   Tripon
Time to bring in... David Eckstein. He has the heart of a lion. Kimba the White Lion, but a lion nonetheless.
2008-08-28 17:28:19
186.   regfairfield
Random rosterbation:

1B Loney
LF Ethier
C Martin
CF Kemp
2B Mark Ellis
RF Franklin Guiterrez
3B Pedro Feliz
SS Hu

Sabathia
Bills
Kuroda
Penny
Kershaw

I'm assuming you can get Feliz for next to nothing and Gutierrez for not too much. The team ain't scoring, but neither is the other guys.

2008-08-28 17:28:47
187.   trainwreck
185
The sad thing is that I was thinking about that during this season.

This place would go into full meltdown.

2008-08-28 17:28:51
188.   Harold M Johnson
More Realistic Lineup in 09:

Pierre CF
Kemp RF
Ethier LF
Martin C
Loney 1B
Hudson 2B
DeWitt 3B
Hu SS

2008-08-28 17:29:23
189.   Tripon
186 So you don't trust DeWitt at all?
2008-08-28 17:30:27
190.   Andrew Shimmin
Stevie Wonder is taking the stage.
2008-08-28 17:30:34
191.   Sam DC
Stevie Wonder live on CSPAN.
2008-08-28 17:30:37
192.   trainwreck
I will be shocked if Ned likes Mark Ellis.

He will just look at that BA and shake his head.

2008-08-28 17:30:42
193.   regfairfield
189 Wait till 2010. Feliz at least gives you a bit of sock and elite defense.
2008-08-28 17:30:44
194.   Andrew Shimmin
Just in case anybody was looking for a distraction.
2008-08-28 17:31:13
195.   trainwreck
He probably won't sing Part-Time Lover, will he?
2008-08-28 17:32:35
196.   Ken Noe
One of my fondest memories ever is an impromptu free concert Stevie threw on the back steps of the U of Illinois Union in the late 80s.
2008-08-28 17:33:05
197.   regfairfield
189 Plus people get hurt.
2008-08-28 17:33:34
198.   Humma Kavula
Thirteen month old baby broke the looking glass.
Seven years of bad luck -- good things in your past.
2008-08-28 17:34:05
199.   Ken Noe
192 Ned cannot survive this collapse by firing the manager this year. Blame must be assigned and Torre is teflon.
2008-08-28 17:34:49
200.   Humma Kavula
199 Enter Cashman.
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2008-08-28 17:35:50
201.   fracule
Wow. This has been a pathetic series for Kemp.
2008-08-28 17:35:50
202.   D4P
Seems like Kemp is 0 for his last a lot.
2008-08-28 17:36:25
203.   Andrew Shimmin
If my brain were to melt into a pool of goo, I'd blame this song. But maybe it's almost over.
2008-08-28 17:36:35
204.   Jon Weisman
Stanford-Oregon State Gametracker link:

http://tinyurl.com/5bxscm

2008-08-28 17:37:34
205.   Andrew Shimmin
Here we go. That's what I'm talking about.
2008-08-28 17:37:51
206.   trainwreck
Ooo, Rosario Dawson. That was nice.
2008-08-28 17:37:55
207.   thinkblue0
192-

I'll be shocked if Ned has a job. It's amazing how someone so inept at their job can keep it for as long as he has.

2008-08-28 17:38:12
208.   trainwreck
Awww, Wilmer Valderama. That was terrible.
2008-08-28 17:38:48
209.   68elcamino427
199
Joe Torre enjoys tea and two more years at $4,000,000.00 per guaranteed.
2008-08-28 17:39:05
210.   underdog
Hmm, poor Stevie's lookin' kind of plump these days. Oh well, he can still bring it.
2008-08-28 17:39:06
211.   fracule
So far, no commentator has bought into the junk that Boston had been spinning about Manny.
2008-08-28 17:39:52
213.   scareduck
152 - Kershaw now has an ERA a half run higher than Lannan.
2008-08-28 17:41:19
214.   Ken Noe
209 He'll also probably get to pick the new GM.
2008-08-28 17:41:58
215.   underdog
212 {chortle}

Sigh, I think maybe DeWitt could've started today after all.

2008-08-28 17:42:54
216.   Ken Noe
212 Wait 'til you have a faculty job and encounter administrators.
2008-08-28 17:42:54
217.   Indiana Jon
Josh Lindblom is pitching pretty well for Jacksonville tonight. If his start means anything, that was a good draft pick.
2008-08-28 17:43:36
218.   LogikReader
I'd just like to pop in to remind everyone that I'd like Ned fired. Thank you very much for your time... good night everybody!

The bullpen is doing a good job tonight, keeping the Nationals in check. No runs since the 1st inning (so far)!

2008-08-28 17:43:50
219.   Andrew Shimmin
Two songs, and they bounce him for some video about medical insurance. I understand you have to stay on message, but if you've got Stevie Wonder, and he's not your message, your message is wrong.
2008-08-28 17:45:29
220.   fanerman
219 What are you referring to?
2008-08-28 17:45:41
221.   GMac In The 909
213 It's not like Kershaw was going to be considered for the CYA. The Nationals starters, on the other hand, are going to give it a run for their money ... at least if this series is any indication.
2008-08-28 17:45:46
222.   68elcamino427
214
Yes that would seem to be in order.

On an unrelated note, today it was so easy to picture Larry Bowa as a Rodeo Clown.

2008-08-28 17:45:57
223.   D4P
216
But administrators must be good at their jobs. I mean, they get paid the most money.

BTW: I saw some "Top 100 albums of all-time list" on CNN or something recently that had one of Stevie Wonder's albums at #1.

2008-08-28 17:47:36
224.   trainwreck
Is there anything more pointless than doing sign language for music?
2008-08-28 17:48:56
225.   old dodger fan
Milledge got nailed!!
2008-08-28 17:49:13
226.   Bilshaw
Catcher Ardoin Death
2008-08-28 17:49:20
227.   Sam DC
220 Dem Convention on CSPAN.
2008-08-28 17:49:35
228.   68elcamino427
224
That is hilarious!
2008-08-28 17:49:38
229.   Andrew Shimmin
220- I'm talking about Stevie Wonder. He played a couple of songs at a political event of some sort that's going on now. I'm pretty sure Sheryl Crow got three songs, too--can't be positive since it all sounded like the same song, but I thought I counted three applause breaks.
2008-08-28 17:49:39
230.   Tripon
Torre would get input with a new GM, but he won't pick the person. More like to make sure they're all on the same page. Personally think the Dodgers should look in house to solve the issue with White and Ng, but won't be shocked if they try to Dan Duquette.
2008-08-28 17:49:56
231.   Tripon
Also, I heart TronTron.
2008-08-28 17:50:25
232.   fanerman
229 Ah. I missed the part about everybody tuning into CSPAN.
2008-08-28 17:51:58
233.   Tripon
Does intentional unintentional walks get counted in a person's WHIP?
2008-08-28 17:52:41
234.   Sam DC
232 When the Nats put up 5 in an inning on you, it calls for serious measures.
2008-08-28 17:54:19
235.   old dodger fan
It just got worse. 7-2.
2008-08-28 17:54:40
236.   Tripon
This is such a Tanyon Sturtze kind of a game.
2008-08-28 17:54:42
237.   Bilshaw
Game over = Seasson over
2008-08-28 17:55:13
238.   scareduck
Cue "Merry Go Round Broke Down".
2008-08-28 17:55:49
239.   Tripon
So yeah, who's hoping for that 3-7 road trip?
2008-08-28 17:56:32
240.   old dodger fan
Nats were 6-20 against the West before this series.
2008-08-28 17:57:34
241.   fanerman
Getting swept by the Nationals has to have Grabowski-Principle-esque consequences.
2008-08-28 17:58:10
242.   old dodger fan
Nice catch by Manny.
2008-08-28 17:58:25
243.   fanerman
241 Not that we've been swept yet. Go Blue!
2008-08-28 17:59:28
244.   68elcamino427
So why are the manager and his coaches unable to get these Dodgers players to perform?

Do the players not want to perform for the manager?

2008-08-28 17:59:56
245.   GMac In The 909
Remember when it was 2-0? Good times.
2008-08-28 18:00:08
246.   scareduck
241 - for God.
2008-08-28 18:00:59
247.   trainwreck
Bob picked a great week to be gone.
2008-08-28 18:01:46
248.   fracule
I thought that announcer sounded a little fond of the Dodgers. Just realized that's Don Sutton.
2008-08-28 18:03:04
249.   bhsportsguy
247 He's lurking.
2008-08-28 18:05:11
250.   Sam DC
Battle "Farmers Market" beginning on Iron Chef America (east coast feed).
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2008-08-28 18:05:14
251.   68elcamino427
Ardwaaaaaa!
2008-08-28 18:06:19
252.   Alex41592
Dropping by to let you know I'll be working the Stanford game tonight.
2008-08-28 18:06:27
253.   Gen3Blue
Holey cow someone choked and got on base.
Was it a corked bat? It's tough to follow with the sound off.
2008-08-28 18:06:41
254.   trainwreck
Pac-10 football is underway!
2008-08-28 18:07:42
255.   D4P
Pac-10 football is underway!

When does varsity start...?

2008-08-28 18:11:05
256.   trainwreck
Brandon Marshall got his suspension reduced to a game.

But he still won't be there against the Raiders!

2008-08-28 18:13:45
257.   fanerman
252 Working how?
2008-08-28 18:13:54
258.   Sam DC
Yellow Alert for Cristian Guzman . . .
2008-08-28 18:16:42
259.   trainwreck
Shaun Livingston working out for Warriors.
2008-08-28 18:16:59
260.   sweepstakes
How long is Torre going to keep Troncoso in there? He turned the game into a laugher.
2008-08-28 18:20:45
261.   Gen3Blue
Who was that hitting--did we give up already.
Shame.
2008-08-28 18:23:00
262.   Tripon
If we had TronTron pitching the first three innings, this would still be a 2-2 game.
2008-08-28 18:23:25
263.   scareduck
Garrett mocks us.
2008-08-28 18:23:35
264.   Gen3Blue
Poor Kemp, he really take's this seriously. I'm glad he is bound to us, because I'm sure he would try to leave if he could. And I really like him as a core player.
2008-08-28 18:23:50
265.   Bluebleeder87
Hi everybody.
2008-08-28 18:24:30
266.   Bluebleeder87
Free hugs for everyone.
2008-08-28 18:25:43
267.   Bluebleeder87
alright! Nice to see Cory Wade healthy & back in action.
2008-08-28 18:26:16
268.   Ken Noe
KEN: Hope, I miss you.
HOPE: I'll be back this winter Ken.
DESPAIR: Hi Ken, like to chat?
2008-08-28 18:28:40
269.   scareduck
264 - I daresay Frank don't deserve 'im.

Elijah Dukes goes yard. Again.

2008-08-28 18:29:00
270.   GMac In The 909
267 Yep, he's fitting in well tonight.
2008-08-28 18:30:17
271.   Ken Noe
Jayson Stark with more fun reading: LA might try to resign Blake, scouts think Andy LaRoche is a slacker.

http://tinyurl.com/6axf69

2008-08-28 18:31:12
272.   scareduck
And Wil Nieves almost leaves the yard for the second time tonight.
2008-08-28 18:35:53
273.   Andrew Shimmin
On the bright side, if the Nats end up finishing ahead of San Diego or Seattle, they'll look back on these games and despair, too.
2008-08-28 18:36:13
274.   Bluebleeder87
271]

there were some whispers about that earlier in the year.

2008-08-28 18:39:29
275.   Gen3Blue
We may get some really good draft picks. If McCout tries to sign Manny of worse yet Blake, hide the razor blades.
2008-08-28 18:41:33
276.   Bluebleeder87
2 desperate teams playing each other, that's gonna be weirdly interesting.
2008-08-28 18:43:00
277.   trainwreck
OSU gets on the board. 3-0.
2008-08-28 18:43:36
278.   Bluebleeder87
I wonder how many teams the Nats have swept? I know they swept the Mets early in the season but that's about it.
2008-08-28 18:43:59
279.   Jon Weisman
Tony Jackson says Scott Elbert to be called up tomorrow.

http://www.insidesocal.com/dodgers/2008/08/scott-elbert-to.html

2008-08-28 18:44:31
280.   Tripon
A Blake DeWitt sighting.
2008-08-28 18:45:23
281.   Jon Weisman
NPUT
2008-08-28 18:45:34
282.   Bluebleeder87
Blake Dewitt triumphantly returns.
2008-08-28 18:47:16
283.   scareduck
278 - Seattle (6/13-16) and Cincinnati (8/1-3).
2008-08-28 18:47:46
284.   Tripon
Why Elbert and not McDonald? Who gets DFAed or optioned down? TronTron, or Berroa?
2008-08-28 18:51:22
285.   thinkblue88
CYCLE!!!
2008-08-28 18:51:24
286.   Indiana Jon
Guzman did it and Bob missed it.
2008-08-28 18:54:39
287.   Sean P
274

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08241/907642-63.stm

See: '"He wasn't moving," Johnson said of third baseman Andy LaRoche, well back on the play.'

The kid is putting up an OPS+ of 20, has 6 errors in 19 games, and is not hustling in the field or at the plate. He is blowing his first legit chance in MLB. It's sad, really.

2008-08-28 18:54:52
288.   trainwreck
TD Stanford.
3-7.

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