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*$475,000 Chad Billingsley
*$415,000 Clayton Kershaw
*$405,000 Eric Stults
*$400,000 James McDonald
*Total: $11,695,000

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*$1,300,000 Scott Proctor
*$1,500,000 Jonathan Broxton
*$425,000 Hong-Chih Kuo
*$420,000 Cory Wade
*$410,000 Ramon Troncoso
*$400,000 Scott Elbert
Total: $6,955,000

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Yhency Brazoban
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Justin Orenduff

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*$3,000,000 Russell Martin
*$2,500,000 Andre Ethier
*$600,000 Matt Kemp
*$600,000 James Loney
*$500,000 Angel Berroa
*$410,000 Blake DeWitt
*$400,000 Tony Abreu
Total: $25,110,000

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$10,000,000 Juan Pierre
*$600,000 Jason Repko
*$410,000 Delwyn Young
*$400,000 Danny Ardoin
*$400,000 Chin-Lung Hu
Total: $11,810,000
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Lucas May
Xavier Paul

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Remember That Time in 2006 ...
2008-08-28 21:32
by Jon Weisman

... when the Dodgers were playing even worse than they are now?

Bad times ...

Comments (373)
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2008-08-28 21:42:20
1.   John Hale
Football is providing a pretty good distraction right now.

Harbaughs on boths sides of the field? Who knew.

2008-08-28 21:42:46
2.   Tripon
But that 2006 team actually won 88 games.
2008-08-28 21:44:02
3.   trainwreck
Such a dumb play by OSU receiver.
2008-08-28 21:44:13
4.   Jon Weisman
Boy, that's just a killer ending for Oregon State.
2008-08-28 21:44:32
5.   Jon Weisman
2 - Yes, I know.
2008-08-28 21:45:40
6.   trainwreck
When you saw him not go for the sidelines, one could sense this was going to end badly for him.
2008-08-28 21:46:59
7.   LogikReader
Where'd you guys find the Pac 10 game on tv? I had a game on ESPN, and the Angels game...
2008-08-28 21:50:13
8.   trainwreck
ESPN2
2008-08-28 21:54:16
9.   John Hale
Those new clock rules seemed to be a pretty big change. But this game still almost took four hours? Were those in affect the whole game?
2008-08-28 21:58:14
10.   trainwreck
Yeah. The first quarter and third quarter took a lot of time, because of the three and outs and not moving the ball.
2008-08-28 22:00:23
11.   trainwreck
How in the world did they get Kate Walsh to be a judge on the Gong Show?
2008-08-28 22:10:34
12.   Daniel Zappala
Can someone explain what happened at the end of the game for OSU? Was unable to see it and the ESPN applet description was garbled.
2008-08-28 22:12:29
13.   trainwreck
WR caught pass and was about 5 yards away from end zone and instead of running out of bounds tried to go for end zone and stretched out arm and fumbled ball into the end zone causing a safety.
2008-08-28 22:16:44
14.   Tripon
http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=3726

Ivan DeJesus currently has 73 walks at Jacksonville. That's an eye opener.

2008-08-28 22:19:23
15.   Daniel Zappala
13 Thanks.
2008-08-28 22:22:17
16.   Tripon
Asked if he felt snakebitten by the Dodgers' recent woes. here's James Loney at his finest...

"I've never been bit by a snake, but this might feel a little bit worse."

http://www.beloblog.com/Pe_Blogs/prosports/mlb/dodgers/

2008-08-28 22:23:15
17.   LogikReader
I think the Dodgers played much better teams during the 2006 stretch than they did during this stretch. In the 1-13 stretch in July 2006, they played the Cardinals twice, and that team nearly made the World Series.

In addition, they played the eventual NL West Winner San Diego Padres.

Meanwhile, the Dodgers in the 2008 skid played a pretty good Phillies team, but far worse, a then-woeful Colorado Rockies and the worst team in MLB. There's no excuse for being this bad against the latter two teams.

2008-08-28 22:24:50
18.   Tripon
17 Didn't the Cards win the World Series in 2006?
2008-08-28 22:26:08
19.   Brian Y
On to good news...

Andrew Lambo is really playing well in Jacksonville. Another HR tonight as well as a double with 6 RBI's. We still have another year until we would have to protect him correct? Lindblom also made his AA debut tonight giving up 2 runs in 5 innings with 4 K's and 1 BB.

In AAA, Chin-lung Hu got his first HR and PeeWee Young hit his 2nd HR in as many days.

2008-08-28 22:29:14
20.   Brian Y
Also, I don't understand the Dodgers not just giving either DeJesus or Hu a chance to stick considering our IF defense of Nomar and Kent is atrocious. Besides Jaime Pedroza really needed to move up to AA. He has been solid for the most part this year and he was great last year. I wonder if Hu becomes trade bait this off-season whether we re-sign Furcal or not.
2008-08-28 22:30:42
21.   LogikReader
18

They did! That's right. I was confusing them with the 2002 Cardinals who the Giants defeated. It's not like me to forget that.

2008-08-28 22:30:55
22.   Tripon
19 He might get fast tracked to the big club by 2010. If the team is willing to let Kemp learn everyday in the majors, they should let Lambo do it. Although it likely means that either Loney or Ethier is gone due to Lambo only able to play 1st base/RF/LF.
2008-08-28 22:33:36
23.   sporky
DeJesus had 3 errors tonight. Hope Ned et. al. weren't watching.
2008-08-28 22:35:17
24.   Jon Weisman
17 - They played the Diamondbacks, who were 76-86, so that matches up with the Rockies. The '06 Padres or Cardinals match up with the '08 Phillies. The only real difference is the three games with Washington.
2008-08-28 22:35:41
25.   sporky
The average Southern Californian knows more about the Dodgers than I know about football. I might have to start paying more attention, if only for the diversion it provides :(
2008-08-28 22:35:44
26.   El Lay Dave
22 1B - Loney
LF - Lambo
CF - Kemp
RF - Ethier

No problem! (Jones is gone after '09 and Pierre's contract is 60% complete.)

2008-08-28 22:36:26
27.   Brian Y
I can honestly say that I believe Lambo is just as good defensively as Loney at 1B and will hit better than him (which is saying an awful lot). I don't know how you choose between the two since they are so comparable but I would think that Lambo projects as just as good if not better. Again, they aren't very far apart in age and are very comparable.
2008-08-28 22:38:10
28.   trainwreck
22
So you are assuming we re-sign Manny?
2008-08-28 22:39:11
29.   Brian Y
26. for 2010 I would rather see:
1B Loney
LF Manny
CF Kemp
RF Lambo
2008-08-28 22:39:39
30.   Tripon
26 That doesn't work if Manny is resigned. Although I'd believe that if Manny isn't resigned, we'd do stopgap for a guy like Fernado Tatis for a couple for 1-2 years, or even resign Casey Blake to be a super utility guy. He can play 1st/3rd/RF/LF. Might as well rotate the guy and make the most of his abilities.
2008-08-28 22:41:50
31.   sporky
29 Unless Manny's in the last year of his contract in 2010, I'd prefer an OF of Ethier, Kemp and Lambo.
2008-08-28 22:42:24
32.   trainwreck
25
Just pick one team to follow then it won't be such a problem.

I had to explain the entire game of football to my friend in about 20 minutes before his interview at the Raider Image. Plus, get him to remember some players on the team.

2008-08-28 22:42:39
33.   Tripon
27 You'd choose Lambo over Loney because Loney would be hitting his heavy Arbitration years, and would have value to other teams like say the Braves, who seem to constantly be in search of a first baseman. (Casey Kotchman might be having an even worse post-trade career than Andy LaRoche right now.)

Of course, the big argument against this is that Loney doesn't fit FA until 2012, he has a great dry wit, and he'd be entering his prime. Personally, its the dry wit I'll miss the most.

2008-08-28 22:46:29
34.   Eric Stephen
Elbert is the 4th player from the Dodgers 2004 draft to make the majors. Blake DeWitt and Cory Wade made their debuts this season, while Justin Ruggiano (Hendrickson trade) made his debut last year.

Another player drafted by the Dodgers that year figures to be called up by sometime next week. His name: David Price.

For reference, here are the major leaguers producers by other recent Dodger drafts:

2002: 6 (Loney, Broxton, Pee Wee, McDonald, Stults, Martin)
2003: 6 (Billingsley, Kemp, Wesley Wright, A.J. Ellis, Travis Denker, LaRoche)
2004: 4
2005: 1 (Meloan)

bold = likely to be called up next week. I didn't include Greg Miller (2002) or Xavier Paul (2003), but they certainly could add the total as well.

Luke Hochevar was drafted by the club in 2002 & 2005, but didn't sign either time so I didn't include him.

2008-08-28 22:46:30
35.   sporky
32 When I was watching my first football game (or paying attention for the first time), I actually asked, "Why is the home team cheering when one of their players was knocked down?"

I'm not sure what team I should follow. I feel like such a.. er.. girl.

2008-08-28 22:50:10
36.   Tripon
35 If you pick USC without an some connection with the team, you're a frontrunner/bandwagoner. If you pick UCLA, you're a masochist. If you pick OSU, you support a choke artist. So the real answer is to support USC. :)
2008-08-28 22:50:47
37.   still bevens
Aren't you guys getting a liiiiitle ahead of yourselves with the Lambo fantasies? He was in single A like 2 weeks ago.
2008-08-28 22:51:28
38.   trainwreck
35
Yeah, since you are going to UCLA might as well go with them. By the time you get and like the sport, we may be good.
2008-08-28 22:53:54
39.   Tripon
34 Greg Miller was drafted in 2002? Funny, since it seemed forever that he was talked about in the local newspapers.
2008-08-28 22:54:10
40.   Andrew Shimmin
Football is boring. For purposes of diversion, I recommend rooting for the D'backs. Or posting reviews on Pellam's ratemyprofessor.com page. Now that his actual students have gotten around to doing it, you don't have to bother guessing which units he's teaching.
2008-08-28 22:54:26
41.   sporky
36 38 Well, since I am a Dodger fan, what's one more masochistic fan allegiance?

Now I need to choose an NFL team.

All I know is that I dislike the Patriots. I went to school in New England, and good god, were their fans obnoxious. At least I made $100 off them from the Superbowl.

2008-08-28 22:57:44
42.   BlueCrew Bruin
41 If it's good, wholesome, salt-of-the-earth fans you're looking for, why not give the Raiders a try? (shiv not included)
2008-08-28 22:58:31
43.   LogikReader
I could never root for the D'Backs with those broadcasters.

USC... Sporky I'd go for it. It was much easier when I was in high school. I chose USC over UCLA on recommendation of a friend. At the time USC might have been the worst team in the Pac 10. Remember the Paul Hackett era? Ooh, they were bad. But I picked the perfect time to become a fan. I wasn't in college yet, I needed to watch someone. I'm glad the decision worked out.

I didn't get a degree at USC, so I stick with only the football program. If USC lacrosse plays Stanford lacrosse, I'll just hope it goes into overtime.

2008-08-28 22:59:03
44.   silverwidow
37 Lambo is a couple of years away, but it's nice having a legit OF prospect to follow.
2008-08-28 23:00:11
45.   silverwidow
Speaking of the Raiders, I drafted Justin Fargas as my #3 RB. Obviously, I hope he holds off Run DMC. :)
2008-08-28 23:01:34
46.   Tripon
45 The NFL is in full duo RB's fad, so Fargas still has some fantasy value.
2008-08-28 23:01:34
47.   trainwreck
41
Hating the Patriots is a great first step for anyone wanting to become a football fan.
2008-08-28 23:03:46
48.   trainwreck
Pick a team based off colors or logos. That's an easy way.
2008-08-28 23:05:03
49.   LogikReader
Hear Hear! If the Patriots go 0-16, I would be dancing in the streets.
2008-08-28 23:05:51
50.   Tripon
One day, a sports team will be manly enough to wear neon pink as their team colors. And on that day, I know we have reached the American dream.
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2008-08-28 23:06:09
51.   Jon Weisman
35 - Why not pick the team with the best record in college football - Stanford! Also the school of Jody Gerut!
2008-08-28 23:07:16
52.   sporky
Also the school of Jody Gerut!

Must... resist...

2008-08-28 23:11:07
53.   Tripon
Man, if you like pain, go with Stanford. USC is totally going to look for revenge there.
2008-08-28 23:12:11
54.   fanerman
Football... sigh.
2008-08-28 23:12:51
55.   sporky
I'd like the Chargers if their blue wasn't so... baby.
2008-08-28 23:14:57
56.   trainwreck
It is wise to not root for the Chargers.

If you want to keep up with being a masochist, there is no better choice than the Buffalo Bills.

2008-08-28 23:19:54
57.   sporky
I'm going to need some reprieve.

Vikings? Their logo is just so goofy.

2008-08-28 23:20:51
58.   trainwreck
Vikings are cool. They have Adrian Peterson and a great defense.

You would make Nate very happy.

2008-08-28 23:22:35
59.   Eric Stephen
If I wasn't a Raiders fan, I wouldn't mind being a Charger fan. When I first started college at UCSD, it was during the Chargers' 1994 run to the Super Bowl, and I grew to hate the team and its fans.

However, in recent years I have grown to respect the organization. I like a lot of their players (Tomlinson* and Rivers to name a few) and their uniforms are awesome, especially the powder blues (I'm also a sucker for most 1980s baseball road uniforms).

It's hard to imagine jumping ship on a team, but if someone told me Al Davis would live for another 20 years, I'd probably resign as a Raider fan right now. I would have abandoned the club if it had drafted Brady Quinn. Thank Jeebus that didn't happen.

*Only Lawrence Taylor is "LT"

2008-08-28 23:29:38
60.   trainwreck
59
What the fudge, Eric?

What the fudge?!!!

2008-08-28 23:31:39
61.   Tripon
The Lament of a Raiders fan.

Well, considering that the Raiders and Rams left in 94, before I heavily got in sports, I don't have a girl to take in this dance, so I can just laugh at everyone on the sidelines.

May Al Davis clone himself, and his clone rule the Raiders for the next 100 years.

2008-08-28 23:32:12
62.   sporky
I'll root for Minnesota, but watch most of the Charger games, since I don't want to pay for any subscription service.

Speaking of bandwagons, I was doing errands in a LAD cap, and some stranger was remarking how the Dodger fans were coming out of the woodwork following the Manny trade. I felt the need to publicly profess my love for Andy.

2008-08-28 23:35:06
63.   underdog
I believe Sporky should be a Broncos fan, because they're fun and underdog is a fan and their stadium was in the news today and stuff and things.

--

Btw, wasn't sure if this was posted earlier but it was just put up line less than an hour ago. Speaking of Elbert... Neat little story in his (near) hometown newspaper about his imminent call-up:

http://tinyurl.com/5bbjdj

--The telephone rang late Thursday afternoon at the Tim Elbert home.

"I've gotten the call," Scott Elbert told his mother, Tracie. "I'm going to the big leagues. It finally has happened. Can I talk to Dad?"

Elbert then told his father the good news.

"I told him congratulations, and we'll be seeing you in Arizona," Tim Elbert said.--

2008-08-28 23:40:37
64.   Eric Stephen
63
It would have been better if the Dad said "Can you call back? I gotta guy on the other line who wants to buy a set of whitewalls."

Also, I would rank the AFC West as follows, in terms of soullessness and evilosity:

1) Broncos (As I typed this, Mike Shanahan had his guard cut block me below the knee)
2) Chiefs (Has anyone looked into Gunther Cunningham's eyes and lived to tell about it?)
3) Chargers (Barry Bonds + steroids = baseball pariah; Shawne Merriman + steroids = Pro Bowl)
4) Raiders (just a good wholesome team and fan base)

2008-08-28 23:43:40
66.   underdog
64 But seriously folks...
2008-08-28 23:43:54
67.   Eric Stephen
65
Yup
2008-08-28 23:43:58
68.   trainwreck
You can see the desperation with these Bronco fans pleading for you to join their fan base.
2008-08-28 23:45:07
69.   underdog
Yes, yes, no other NFL team practices cut blocks. And other fabulous myths of our time. ;-)

--
Btw, I still, 20 years later, or whatever it is, can't get over the fact that there's no NFL team in LA. What sort of parallel universe is the NFL living in? I will root for an expansion LA team, maybe not as much for a team that moves there.

2008-08-28 23:45:24
70.   Eric Stephen
66
The Broncos would easily move into 3rd place if they'd go back to the Orange uniforms (I even like the new style orange unis, but the Orange Crush would be great).
2008-08-28 23:46:23
71.   sporky
Believe me, having me as a fan can only be bad for a football team.
2008-08-28 23:46:34
72.   underdog
68 One of us! One of us!
2008-08-28 23:46:52
73.   Eric Stephen
69
I will say this about Shanahan: If I went through a few weeks of training camp even I could rush for 1,000 yards in his offense.
2008-08-28 23:48:48
74.   underdog
70 - I believe they are slated to wear orange unis this season at least twice, despite Shanahan's protests (they are a kind of jinx). I even named my destined-for-6th-place fantasy team Orange Crush.

http://tinyurl.com/6xt5qc

2008-08-28 23:49:52
75.   underdog
Sigh, I wish we didn't have to talk about football so early. :-(
2008-08-28 23:51:39
76.   sporky
The NFL has such mathematically sensible divisions. And then I find out they have wild cards.
2008-08-28 23:52:11
77.   trainwreck
70
Eric, you are killing me with this stuff.

Did they get to you?

What the fudge?!!

2008-08-28 23:57:54
78.   trainwreck
76
That is why there won't be an expansion team in LA. It will probably be either the Chargers, Raiders, or Jaguars.
2008-08-29 00:00:30
79.   underdog
Jaguars, I'm telling ya, it'll be the Jaguars in '09.

They can change their name from the Jaguars to another cat, the Cougars.

Double meaning - Nate'll love it!

Okay, my download of the game "The Movies" is complete, so I'm outta here. Night.

2008-08-29 00:02:03
80.   fanerman
79 Can Alyssa Milano be their cheerleader?
2008-08-29 00:02:12
81.   trainwreck
MJD and Marcedes can return to the great state of California.
2008-08-29 00:04:17
82.   underdog
80 She's too young to be a Cougar cheerleader. Maybe Mary Louise Parker or Marcia Gay Harden.
2008-08-29 00:07:22
83.   trainwreck
Diane Lane, Jamie Lee Curtis, Raquel Welch.

Heck, Raquel Welch should be the picture of a cougar in the dictionary.

2008-08-29 00:09:32
84.   sporky
Zsa Zsa Gabor!
2008-08-29 00:14:09
85.   trainwreck
I hope Hallux shows up during or before the MNF game.
2008-08-29 00:14:21
86.   trainwreck
84
Is she alive?
2008-08-29 00:18:13
87.   sporky
Wikipedia says yes, so perhaps not. But it's still a great mental image, no?

Also, Paris Hilton will be the ultimate cougar in 10, 15 years.

2008-08-29 00:28:20
88.   scareduck
35 - the first professional football game I attended was a USC game in, oh, 1998 or so.
2008-08-29 00:31:04
89.   trainwreck
87
To me, she is not attractive.
2008-08-29 00:38:16
90.   sporky
89 I'm not sure which one you're referring to, but I agree either way.

They're both rich enough, and that's all that seems to really matter.

2008-08-29 00:51:40
91.   trainwreck
Cougars are for looks.

Sugar mommas are for money.

2008-08-29 00:53:55
92.   trainwreck
89
And I meant Paris Hilton by the way.

Money ain't a thing.

2008-08-29 01:09:17
93.   bhsportsguy
If you pick to root for UCLA, not only can you ride the wave of the basketball team, you can proudly cheer any number of other sports teams (volleyball, soccer, tennis, golf and especially the latest dynasty, women's water polo).

In a few hours, I'll be having the annual drink the kool aid breakfast with Rick and a few of the players.

2008-08-29 01:12:01
94.   trainwreck
93
Do they just try to sell you on this season or long-term?

Whoopie, I am getting NY Jets ads again.

2008-08-29 01:25:05
95.   sporky
Whoopie, I am getting NY Jets ads again.

If I mention Zsa Zsa Gabor or Paris Hilton a few more times...

2008-08-29 01:31:56
96.   bhsportsguy
94 Probably a little bit of both.

95 I see Circuit City ads.

2008-08-29 01:56:57
97.   trainwreck
95
We will get Valtrex ads if you mention Paris Hilton some more.
2008-08-29 04:55:23
98.   superbas
will kershaw be required to be in uniform down in vegas or will he pull a laroche/young and hang out at a hermosa beach condo for a few days?
2008-08-29 06:19:09
99.   Eric Stephen
98
I wonder if he will even leave the team. I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the dugout in Arizona.
2008-08-29 07:30:42
100.   MC Safety
25 Don't waste your time. American football is crap. Try out European football, the athletes are of a much better quality (far less oafish), and the game is far more civilized. There is also much more parity in European football.
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2008-08-29 07:37:52
101.   ToyCannon
E Jackson pitches a gem and Wily Aybar provides the offense as the Dodger Rays take out the White Sox and push their lead to 4.5 games over the East Coast Bullies.

How about that Lambo? My hope of seeing him in the Cal League is fading fast.

2008-08-29 07:39:56
102.   Sam PHL
100. I might be wrong, but I think you're an Arsenal fan. You should ask Eduardo how civilized soccer can be.

I much prefer soccer over football, but one of the American arguments against it is that it's too civilized.

2008-08-29 07:47:27
103.   MollyKnight
Was Oregon State favored?

Is that a stupid question?

2008-08-29 07:55:56
104.   MC Safety
102 Yep, that's me. You make a good point. Americans are a weird lot. And yeah, injuries happen in European football, sure. But in the grand scheme of things, a broken leg is nothing compared to a broken spine/neck.
2008-08-29 07:59:19
105.   D4P
The US will either have its first female vice president or its first black president.

Which is great for me on a personal level, because members of my family (who are members of a particular demographic) don't think women or non-whites are qualified to be in those positions.

2008-08-29 08:17:33
106.   worz
105 I am so excited that I get to vote for Palin! I mean, finally, someone who has been around the world many times, seems to make friends easily, can really make me laugh.....wait, its not Michael Palin?... oh...
2008-08-29 08:20:54
107.   D4P
Details of Palin's personal life have contributed to her political image. She hunts, eats moose hamburger, ice fishes, rides snowmobiles, and owns a float plane. Palin holds a lifetime membership with the National Rifle Association. She admits that she used marijuana when it was legal in Alaska, but says that she did not like it.
2008-08-29 08:21:31
108.   D4P
No word on whether she inhaled.
2008-08-29 08:29:43
109.   ToyCannon
So a guy whose % of dying is higher then anyone who would become president since Roosevelt picks someone with the least amount of experience you could find to be his running mate while running a campaign against his competitions inexperience. Interesting.
2008-08-29 08:31:42
110.   ToyCannon
The Vice Presidential debates should prove to be as interesting a contrast as the presidential ones.
2008-08-29 08:37:23
111.   cargill06
Ok, it's official, we're in trouble. I'll be watching all 3 games this weekend with rally cap on and rubbing the bill before each pitch. Time to pull out all the stops.
2008-08-29 08:37:33
112.   D4P
109
Also interesting that a guy who supposedly opposes drilling in the Alaskan Wildlife Refuge would choose as a running mate the Governor of Alaska who supports drilling.
2008-08-29 08:57:26
113.   Jon Weisman
Um, I'm as interested in the campaign as many of you, but rule 5 still exists.

I just don't understand. I feel that over the past week or so, the rules are really getting flaunted. Are people just rebelling?

It's not that every rule violation is harmful. But the cascade they can cause can be harmful, and it weakens my ability to enforce the rules if I start trying to pick and choose the times they're allowed to be broken.

I'm not mad - I just need to understand what's going on here.

2008-08-29 09:01:23
114.   LogikReader
113

20 years and 7 games of pent up frustration?

2008-08-29 09:03:49
115.   Gagne55