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Sigh of the Times

2008-08-30 15:40

by Jon Weisman

Dodgers at Diamondbacks, 5:10 p.m.
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2008-08-30 15:52:54

1. Andrew Shimmin

Utah is the chokingest choker who ever choked.

2008-08-30 15:53:23

2. Bluebleeder87

With Bills pitching today I feel confident we will pull of a W. From what I've read in the comment section Haren tends to fall off a bit in the 2nd half. veremos.

2008-08-30 16:08:04

3. Alex41592

Martin, C
Ethier, RF
Manny, LF
Loney, 1B
Kemp, CF
Casey Blake, 3B
Blake DeWitt, 2B
Berroa, SS
Billingsley, P

Drew, SS
Young, CF
Jackson, LF
Dunn, RF
Reynolds, 3B
Tracy, !B
Snyder, C
Ojeda, 2B
Haren, P

2008-08-30 16:20:04

4. dzzrtRatt

I guess Jon wasn't kidding about how busy he is.

2008-08-30 16:20:58

5. bigcpa

Would be nice to see DeWitt win the 2009 2B job this September and remove one of several question marks hanging out there.

Meanwhile, Jayson Werth is officially a disaster for Colletti. .279/.377/.517 with 20 HR and plus defense playing a key role for a playoff contender. To me this is Exhibit A of the case against Colletti. Some GM's are looking to bring guys like Werth into the org. Others are letting them walk to make room for 39-yr old Luis Gonzalez or dealing them for Casey Blakes. It is not pure hindsight to think Werth/Ethier could have platooned in 2007 to see what we had with both.

2008-08-30 16:28:30

6. Gagne55

3 I like Tracy's position.

2008-08-30 16:31:13

7. Gagne55

1 Utah won today.

2008-08-30 16:36:57

8. Andrew Shimmin

7- I'd say the escaped, ingloriously. But, sure, "won" is another way to look at it.

2008-08-30 16:41:57

9. silverwidow

Red Sox DFA old friend Eric Hull.

2008-08-30 16:43:16

10. Alex41592

Benches clear in Miami. Cody Ross is involved.

2008-08-30 16:47:50

11. Alex41592

10 - Cody got hit by the pitch and exchanged words with Schneider and Pelfrey. Benches did clear but it wasn't a big deal.

And then proceeded to get picked off by Pelfrey.

2008-08-30 16:50:21

12. Louis in SF

I always liked Jayson Werth with the Dodgers and was sad to hear what he had to say about the medical staff of the Dodgers during the last series in Philly. There is much to blame Colleti for, but in fairness Werth was out for almost a year with the wrist injury and at the time it seemed very unclear if he was going to be able to make it back. Once he did the ill advised signing both Gonzales and JP, there was little room for Werth. You are correct had Ned even only signed one there migh have been a chance for Werth.

2008-08-30 16:58:05

13. Tripon

1 Utah won 25-23.

2008-08-30 16:59:31

14. scareduck

5 - have to agree with 12 . Werth was injury-prone and getting older.

2008-08-30 17:04:10

15. timm

1 I hope my Bruins choke a win Monday night.

2008-08-30 17:05:35

16. Tripon

Way I see it, you get similar production from Ethier and Wreth. And Ethier is younger and less injury prone over Wreth. While its possible both could have played on this Dodgers team, lets be realistic and see that Ned would have never allowed that to happen, as he keeps on signing veteran players and especially veteran outfielders regardless of how many the team has. Besides, I would rather have Delweyn Young over Wreth too, he's younger and has a tie to the area.

Can't keep them all. This ani't pokemon where you can keep your rarely used monsters in some closet somewhere.

2008-08-30 17:05:46

17. D4P

Werth was injury-prone and getting older

All the more puzzling that Ned didn't give him a big contract.

2008-08-30 17:06:18

18. Paul Scott

The thing that was great about Werth was he was just like every other outfielder DePo gave us. He was a plus defending center-fielder with patience and power. The outfield of Bradley, Drew and Werth had no peer defensively. Even the fourth and fifth outfielder's under DePo shared those characteristics (though LeDee was too far past his prime to be a plus defense center-fielder).

I think giving away Werth had more to do with what Colletti (and presumably White) like to see in a ballplayer than it did with an injury. Injured players are easy to keep around if you otherwise like their game. Colletti just was not interested.

2008-08-30 17:07:02

19. bigcpa

14 Well instead we gave $1M to Olmedo to be the lefty masher and picked up Brady Clark for OF depth. Like Kyle Blair it's another case of saving $500K but giving up some tremendous option value. Werth is putting up $12m/year Rowand-level numbers.

2008-08-30 17:08:25

20. Paul Scott

"Way I see it, you get similar production from Ethier and Werth."

No, you don't. Either lacks Werth's patience and is lighter on power. Either is also not nearly the defensive player Werth is.

2008-08-30 17:08:45

21. Tripon

http://www.insidesocal.com/dodgers/

Tony Jackson speculates that Kent tore his knee and its a career threatening(Or is it career retiring?) Injury.

2008-08-30 17:09:25

22. gpellamjr

Why would Dunn, rather than Jackson, end up playing 1B when they put Upton in the lineup?

2008-08-30 17:13:00

23. Tripon

22 Because Dunn was starting in RF while Upton was away. And its an easier move for the D'Backs to just move Dunn to 1st and bench Chad Tracy. And Jackson said he has a preference for playing in LF.

2008-08-30 17:13:14

24. Andrew Shimmin

Anybody know how the Michigan game turned out?

2008-08-30 17:15:35

25. Tripon

24 25-23 Utah.

2008-08-30 17:16:49

26. Andrew Shimmin

Manny needs a chinstrap for his helmet.

2008-08-30 17:17:33

27. Tripon

I didn't even know the game started. hah.

2008-08-30 17:19:37

28. twerp

At the time--and probably still--Ned no more would sign Werth or anyone remotely like him over PVLs than he could outswim Michael Phelps.

2008-08-30 17:19:52

29. Tripon

This seems familiar.

2008-08-30 17:21:03

30. Andrew Shimmin

Colletti didn't have to sign Werth. He just had to not cut him. Werth was non-tendered.

2008-08-30 17:21:13

31. ucladodger

What Matt needs to work on for next year is not getting himself out. He didnt see a strike from Haren that AB, but fell behind in the count and grounded out weekly

2008-08-30 17:25:19

32. Tripon

Those D'Backs, always changing home unis whenever they want.

Actually, I like the D'Backs black, even if they make them look too much like the White Sox unis.

2008-08-30 17:29:51

33. CanuckDodger

18 -- God, you'll resort to the most far-fetched nonsense to blame Logan White for something. Werth was still hurt when he was released, even by Werth's own admission, so trying to find deeper meaning in the Dodgers letting go of a hurt player who was arbitration eligible is just dirty pool. The only blame belongs with the Dodgers medical staff for not making a correct diagnosis, but since it took a trip to the world-renowned Mayo Clinic to get the correct diagnosis, maybe the blame can't be too severe. No professional sports team can be expected to have the medical expertise of the Mayo Clinic.

2008-08-30 17:32:52

34. Alex41592

A rare 5-4-3 DP for Dunn.

2008-08-30 17:32:55

35. Tripon

Wow, we actually turn a DP. That's been a while.

Blake to Blake to Loney.

2008-08-30 17:34:53

36. Tripon

Logan White. Eats Babies and kills geese for a living.

2008-08-30 17:36:52

37. Andrew Shimmin

Werth wasn't arb eligible, was he? He was a September callup in 2002, spent about two months of 2003 in the big leagues. Then was only called up for good in June of 2004.

2008-08-30 17:37:36

38. Tripon

Q:mike from durham asks:
I see Andrew Lambo was promoted to AA (where he has 2 HRs in 4 games) and that he is going to be playing in the AFL (as one of the youngest players in the league) are the Dodgers giving thoughts to having him skip High-A and starting him as a 20 year old in AA next year?
A: Moderator: I love Lambo's bat, and feel like I got some bad info when I wrote him up draft-wise in 2007, when all I heard about was the "Dazed & Confused" makeup issues regarding Lambo. His bat is ready to be challenged, yes, and as one of the very few low Class A players in the AFL (Aug. 6 is the cutoff date for that), he's going to be challenged. How he handles the AFL will be key to his '09 assignment.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/prospect-hot-sheet/2008/266783.html

2008-08-30 17:43:09

39. CanuckDodger

37 -- At the time Werth was released, I THOUGHT it was reported in the press that Werth would have been arbitration eligible, but you may be right. At the time, I don't remember anyone here making a big fuss about Werth being released, because nobody was confident he would recover from his injury.

2008-08-30 17:44:49

40. Tripon

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/prospect-hot-sheet/2008/266782.html

Pedro Baez, of Odgen made it in this week's prospect list.

2008-08-30 17:46:24

41. Tripon

Manny shows some defense!

2008-08-30 17:51:11

42. Andrew Shimmin

39- He was probably out of options, but I'm pretty sure he didn't have service time enough to get arbitration. If he had, he would have gotten it after 2005, since he didn't play in 2006.

There wasn't much ire on the day it happened, because it had mostly been exhausted before that, and exhausted more thoroughly on Pierre. If you set your neighbors house on fire, and also steal his newspaper from the driveway, the latter offense isn't going to get the same reaction as the first.

2008-08-30 17:51:55

43. D4P

If you set your neighbors house on fire, and also steal his newspaper from the driveway, the latter offense isn't going to get the same reaction as the first

Something tells me you speak from experience.

2008-08-30 17:52:24

44. thinkblue88

MANNY!!!! YESS!!!!!

2008-08-30 17:52:26

45. Tripon

Manny homers to make it 1-0 Dodgers.

2008-08-30 17:52:38

46. Andrew Shimmin

The latter offense isn't going to get the reaction it would have if you hadn't done the former, I mean.

Hey look, they scored.

2008-08-30 17:52:38

47. Alex41592

MANNY LASER!

2008-08-30 17:53:56

48. Tripon

http://proxy.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3558370

Buster Onley has the Dodgers having the 4th best bullpen.

2008-08-30 18:00:05

49. Andrew Shimmin

43- I never once stole a newspaper.

2008-08-30 18:06:54

50. Gagne55

Has anyone ever done a study on how pitchers fare the inning after running the bases?

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2008-08-30 18:07:19

51. Paul Scott

33 Certainly no more than the extent you go to worship him. That said, I don't see anything far fetched about assuming that White was involved in the decision to release Werth. He was in player development at the time.

2008-08-30 18:10:41

52. Gagne55

Stolen without a throw.

2008-08-30 18:11:15

53. Gagne55

No DTers here tonight?

2008-08-30 18:12:05

54. Alex41592

I'll take a DP here for the run.

2008-08-30 18:12:32

55. thinkblue88

please oh please score.

2008-08-30 18:13:42

56. Alex41592

Vin Scully and Joe Garagiola are broadcasing right next to each other. That's kind of neat.

2008-08-30 18:13:46

57. Gagne55

54 I don't trust these fielders enough to be confident with a one run lead. DP > K though

2008-08-30 18:13:47

58. Andrew Shimmin

Time for a delayed double steal.

2008-08-30 18:14:07

59. Alex41592

56 - broadcasting*

2008-08-30 18:15:08

60. Gagne55

I'd rather have had a run scoring DP than that.

2008-08-30 18:16:12

61. Deuces are Wild

Why are we not scoring from 2nd on singles to CF? Did someone see the play? I'm only on Game Day.

2008-08-30 18:16:24

62. thinkblue88

yesss!!

thank you!

2008-08-30 18:16:27

63. Alex41592

2 BASE ERROR! 3-1 DODGERS!

2008-08-30 18:17:00

64. Gagne55

That dive into first was so unnessecary.

2008-08-30 18:17:07

65. Andrew Shimmin

Tracey is worse, defensively, than Loney.

2008-08-30 18:17:14

66. thinkblue88

BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2008-08-30 18:18:08

67. Andrew Shimmin

61- The ball was lined right at the Bison. He had to hit the dirt to get out of the way, and lost too much time doing that to get home.

2008-08-30 18:18:14

68. Alex41592

Bills is so smart to allow SCY to hit that triple off him.

2008-08-30 18:18:25

69. Gagne55

I wonder how much the scoring on a triple affected Haren. It's not like he never has innings like this.

2008-08-30 18:19:12

70. thinkblue88

That is a very low strike zone tonight.

2008-08-30 18:19:41

71. Alex41592

Ooh, hung a splitter and Russ fouled it straight back.

2008-08-30 18:19:57

72. Gagne55

Easy DP.

2008-08-30 18:20:02

73. Tripon

Martin hits into a DP, but we score two in the inning!

2008-08-30 18:20:49

74. Deuces are Wild

67 Thanks for the info. I was afraid that Larry had lost his huevos, like he held up Manny in DC the other day when we would have tied the game 2-2. Good to see that Bills drove Berroa in from 2nd - there shall be no apologizing this time!

2008-08-30 18:21:50

75. Tripon

Berroa didn't score, he went to 3rd. And then a Martin DP ended the inning.

2008-08-30 18:22:19

76. Deuces are Wild

My mistake - Berroa didn't score on Bills' single - maybe Larry DID lose his huevos!

2008-08-30 18:23:07

77. Gagne55

76 Upton haz cannon?

2008-08-30 18:23:24

78. Tripon

Don't tell Vic the Brick that, he'll throw his pancho at you.

2008-08-30 18:24:31

79. Gagne55

78 Which comment are you responding to?

2008-08-30 18:25:04

80. Alex41592

76 - It was hit right to Dunn on a line and he was playing shallow.

However, with Dunn in right field that's a risk Bowa should've taken.

2008-08-30 18:25:11

81. Tripon

http://www.beloblog.com/Pe_Blogs/prosports/mlb/dodgers/ Among other things, Diamond expects Kent to miss the rest of the year, and McDonald to be called up in Sept.

2008-08-30 18:25:16

82. gpellamjr

I hate Daron Sutton's stupid face.

2008-08-30 18:25:19

83. Gagne55

76 Aren't 'huevos' eggs?

2008-08-30 18:25:47

84. gpellamjr

65 Worse, even, than Loney?

2008-08-30 18:26:05

85. Tripon

79 Whichever comment that had Larry Bowa in it. Guy doesn't talk about the Dodgers until the Manny trade happens and suddenly he's an expert on the Dodgers woes.

2008-08-30 18:28:49

86. Bilshaw

bills nasty breaking ball!

2008-08-30 18:30:05

87. thinkblue88

filthy.

2008-08-30 18:32:09

88. Tripon

We might win this game. Amazing. Please let it happen. Please.

2008-08-30 18:32:57

89. Andrew Shimmin

84- I missed the Loney defense thread last week. I was trying to recapture the magic.

2008-08-30 18:33:10

90. Bilshaw

Get more runs, Please!

2008-08-30 18:33:40

91. Deuces are Wild

83 They are indeed, but you can also use the term as a synonym of 'cojones'

2008-08-30 18:33:40

92. Alex41592

88 - It's the fifth and a lead is nice but lets not go completely crazy.

2008-08-30 18:34:36

93. JayB

Vinny - "The D-backs strike out alot, the D-backs strike out alot, the D-backs strike out a lot, the D-backs strike out alot....................." Enough already!

2008-08-30 18:34:52

94. thinkblue88

Oh man, dude is amazing.

2008-08-30 18:35:34

95. Andrew Shimmin

Manny is a better hitter than Dave Ross.

2008-08-30 18:35:52

96. Gagne55

lol Manny secured his helmet with his hand in the middle of running to second.

2008-08-30 18:35:54

97. D4P

Some kind of alert for Manny. Bob is sure missing a lot of cycle stuff these days.

2008-08-30 18:35:59

98. Deuces are Wild

Manny only needs a triple to go all Christian Guzman on the DBacks

2008-08-30 18:36:45

99. thinkblue88

98.
Cristian.

2008-08-30 18:37:33

100. Paul Scott

Think Manny can get that elusive triple? Maybe he could use an aero-helmet for the rest of this game.

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2008-08-30 18:38:05

101. Gagne55

Yellow Alert for Manny Ramierez in Arizona. This is a yellow alert.

2008-08-30 18:38:40

102. fracule

95 I would challenge that he is also a better hitter than Cody Ross.

2008-08-30 18:38:57

103. Tripon

TWO RUN HOMER FOR KEMP!

2008-08-30 18:39:01

104. thinkblue88

woo hoo!! matt kemp!! opposite power!

2008-08-30 18:39:03

105. Alex41592

100 - In Chase Field if he hits it to the right center field gap he's got a shot.

MATT KEMP! OPPOSITE FIELD BLAST!

2008-08-30 18:39:10

106. Andrew Shimmin

Matt Kemp hits pretty good, too.

2008-08-30 18:39:27

107. Tripon

Also, a runner in scoring position scored. Can't forget that.

2008-08-30 18:39:35

108. silverwidow

Freaking Bison.

2008-08-30 18:39:35

109. Paul Scott

/cheer Kemp

2008-08-30 18:39:37

110. Gagne55

I remember the game in Arizona in which Izturis fell a double short of the cycle. After getting the homer triple and single he had a base hit and got thrown out trying to extend it to a double.

2008-08-30 18:39:54

111. fracule

Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiison!!

2008-08-30 18:40:03

112. ucladodger

Amazing what patience will do. No reason to swing early in the count on pitches you cant do much with. Make then come to you, as even the ebst pitchers make mistakes.

2008-08-30 18:40:04

113. gpellamjr

95 Granted. But imagine if we had Manny and David Ross!

2008-08-30 18:40:25

114. Andrew Shimmin

102- Hey, if you want to get all controversial and stuff, be my guest. I'm about consensus building.

2008-08-30 18:40:25

115. Tripon

Matt Kemp is a better hitter than Shane Victorino.

2008-08-30 18:40:26

116. Tripon

Matt Kemp is a better hitter than Shane Victorino.

2008-08-30 18:41:00

117. Gagne55

113 We wouldn't even need to have Ardoin!

2008-08-30 18:41:02

118. Tripon

113 We'd all be grumbling that we traded away Russell Martin for Juan Pierre?

2008-08-30 18:41:26

119. Deuces are Wild

110 I remember watching that game - was it 2004?

2008-08-30 18:44:14

120. Gagne55

119 I think it was actually 2003. Izturis was actually a somewhat competent hitter in 2004. And I think I remember it being in September and Izturis being the worst hitter on the terrible hitting team.

2008-08-30 18:44:14

121. Andrew Shimmin

119- 2003

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ARI/ARI200309080.shtml

2008-08-30 18:45:23

122. Gagne55

Or actually, I remember Finley throwing out Izzy trying to stretch it. And I'm pretty sure the game was in September which would mean it couldn't have been '04.

2008-08-30 18:45:44

123. Tripon

Kinda amusing that a DePo led team had Izturis as its shortstop. I suppose there was no better options, but Izturis isn't the first guy I think of concerning saber metrics.

2008-08-30 18:46:32

124. Alex41592

Also, it was the game before the great Edwin Jackson/Randy Johnson showdown.

2008-08-30 18:47:19

125. Alex41592

Smooth DP.

2008-08-30 18:47:26

126. thinkblue88

Ace.

2008-08-30 18:48:02

127. Bilshaw

Great DP!

2008-08-30 18:48:11

128. CanuckDodger

51 -- No, White was not in player development at that time. He has never been in player development, as a matter of fact. He was the amateur scouting director, and while he no doubt had some say about Dodger prospects, Werth was never a prospect in all the time he was Dodger property, but a full-blown major leaguer, albeit a young one. There is no evidence that Colletti ever consulted White about any players like that, and such consultations certainly fell outside White's job description at the time.

As for your lame attempt to make what you do seem like just the flip side of the coin of my "worshipping" White, nice try -- in being "pro Logan White," and with enthusiasm, I am in the same company as basically everybody that pays any attention to the game of baseball, including the Baseball Prospectus crowd. Your attempts to tear down White put you in the company of nobody: you just look like a lone nut quixotically tilting at windmills.

2008-08-30 18:49:31

129. bigcpa

The stage is set for Bills to finish with a sub-3.00 ERA. Final 5 starts vs. AZ, @ SD, @ Pitt, vs SF, @ SF. Misses Coors. He needs to throw 30-35ip of 2.25 (8 more ER).

2008-08-30 18:50:18

130. Gen3Blue

I'd like to say something here, but I don't dare.

2008-08-30 18:50:26

131. Gagne55

124 That was a really memorable series. I also remember the "Paul Quantrill imploding with Gagne sitting in the bullpen" game which was the third game of the series.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ARI/ARI200309100.shtml

2008-08-30 18:51:57

132. Tripon

Where did that pitch hit Berroa? Snipes does not look like he's in pain!

2008-08-30 18:52:20

133. Gagne55

123 Depo came too late to get any players before '04. Fortunately for him, Bradley became available at just the right time.

2008-08-30 18:53:01

134. Andrew Shimmin

Beimel wishes Bob Melvin were the Dodgers' coach.

2008-08-30 18:53:07

135. Deuces are Wild

121 Thanks for sharing that box score. A couple of comments: I remember how frustrating that team was, and still they were 76-66