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Starting Pitchers (5)
$10,000,000 Hiroki Kuroda
*$475,000 Chad Billingsley
*$415,000 Clayton Kershaw
*$405,000 Eric Stults
*$400,000 James McDonald
*Total: $11,695,000

Bullpen (7)
*$2,500,000 Takashi Saito
*$1,300,000 Scott Proctor
*$1,500,000 Jonathan Broxton
*$425,000 Hong-Chih Kuo
*$420,000 Cory Wade
*$410,000 Ramon Troncoso
*$400,000 Scott Elbert
Total: $6,955,000

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Yhency Brazoban
Greg Miller
Justin Orenduff

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$17,100,000 Andruw Jones
*$3,000,000 Russell Martin
*$2,500,000 Andre Ethier
*$600,000 Matt Kemp
*$600,000 James Loney
*$500,000 Angel Berroa
*$410,000 Blake DeWitt
*$400,000 Tony Abreu
Total: $25,110,000

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$10,000,000 Juan Pierre
*$600,000 Jason Repko
*$410,000 Delwyn Young
*$400,000 Danny Ardoin
*$400,000 Chin-Lung Hu
Total: $11,810,000
Note: Team can buy out Ozuna's 2009 option for $200,000

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Lucas May
Xavier Paul

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$50,000 Gary Bennett (buyout of $900,000 option)
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Revisionist History on the Dog Days of August
2008-09-02 22:00
by Jon Weisman

With time and a few victories giving us some distance from the Dodgers' 13-16 August, I wanted to see what the month looked like in the rear-view mirror.

Look at this comparison:

OBP SLG OPS Runs Team
.340 .442 .783 115 Dodgers
.324 .407 .731 131 Opponents

The Dodgers' OPS in August was .052 better than their opponents. The splendid Tampa Bay Rays, by comparison, have out-OPSed its opponents by .056 this season; the Angels are only at .008. At a minimum, the Dodgers should have had a winning record in August - and with a winning record, of course, the team would be in first place right now, unless you believe in the Butterfly Effect.

So what happened? The main thing was that in one-run games, the Dodgers went 2-7. (In fact, the Dodgers have lost nine of their past 11 one-run games since July 28.) Included in that time is a rather remarkable stretch in which the Dodgers played six one-run games in 11 days that were decided in the ninth or 10th innings: the two late losses in San Francisco, the two rallies at home to defeat Philadelphia, a home loss to Milwaukee in the 10th and a home loss to Colorado in the ninth.

Nevertheless, the Dodgers dominated their opponents from August 1-21, with an OPS more than 100 points higher than they allowed. They went 11-8 (.579) in those games. While that's nothing to sneeze at, they could have built a cushion to lessen the impact of the ensuing season-worst eight-game losing streak, in which the Dodgers were not only outcored 54-15, they were out OPSed .823 to .687. It wasn't just a lack of clutch hitting; it was a team-wide collapse, but as endless as it seemed, it did end.

The Dodgers concluded the month with a sharp couple of victories at Arizona against Dan Haren and Brandon Webb. Those two games, surprising as they might have been, were more representative of the team's ability in August than the losing streak was.

This might not mean anything going forward. The Dodgers' could easily avoid the late-inning losses of August, but Manny Ramirez just as easily go into an untimely slump. There's no doubt that the sweeps at Philadelphia and Washington were embarrassing, but if nothing else, I'd like to minimize questions about the Dodgers' competitive ability or character. They had some big losses - too many - but they also had some big wins. Playing a schedule that included playoff contenders Arizona, Philadelphia, St. Louis and Milwaukee, the Dodgers either won, or lost by only one run, 20 of the 29 games. That might not spell pennant winner, but it might give you a reason to keep watching during these final four weeks.

That, and four wins in a row...

Comments (203)
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2008-09-02 22:13:26
1.   bhsportsguy
Keep on winning, your future is in your hands.
2008-09-02 22:14:28
2.   kinbote
Joe Torre is out of his mind. That is all.
2008-09-02 22:15:29
3.   fanerman
Manny is now the team-leader in VORP (among hitters).
2008-09-02 22:15:46
4.   Tripon
Joe Torre let a young pitcher try to see how far he can go in a game. It isn't his worst decision of the year.
2008-09-02 22:18:23
5.   Jon Weisman
4 - I can't even believe it's an issue. It's not even in his top 100 questionable decisions. (the problem there being that he has had 100.)

He sent Kershaw out in the eighth at 84 pitches with a reliever warming up, ready to insert at a moment's notice. This was not a big deal.

2008-09-02 22:18:54
7.   underdog
Here, here, Jon, good perspective check.

Oh, and no offense, but I'm already sick of talking about Kershaw's innings tonight and Torre. The win was great. That is all.

All tonight needs to top it off is a good ol' Ribs and Fashion Show.

2008-09-02 22:20:33
8.   underdog
Speaking of Mad Men, what did you think of them using a Decemberists song at the beginning of this week's episode? Anachronistic, but it fit, I guess.
2008-09-02 22:21:04
9.   kinbote
4 5 Respectfully disagree. With a loaded bullpen and huge lead, there was no reason to push it. Heck, I almost wanted him out after five innings. I'm very cautious with a young arm like Kershaw's.
2008-09-02 22:21:14
10.   Jacob Burch
The Bob Carpenter Scorebook is on its way! I will not have it for tomorrow's game, but successfully used online ones for my first full card last night.

I realize this is tepid nerd news, but it has got me oddly excited.

Since resolving to be happy with the team even as losers (which I still contend is not on par with giving up), they've only won. I can deal with that.

2008-09-02 22:21:22
11.   Mike Scioscias tragic illness
4 5

I just think that there were so many circumstances in confluence tonight which made it a really bad choice. You've got:

- A big lead
- A young pitcher already into uncharted waters in terms of innings pitched
- Expanded rosters giving you plenty of pitching options

Why push your luck with wasting Kershaw's bullets in a game like that?

2008-09-02 22:21:59
12.   kinbote
7 Sorry, I'm just now joining the party. I'll unjoin.
2008-09-02 22:24:30
13.   Jacob Burch
9 The point being made is not whether it was a good, neutral or bad move, but rather that its hard to stand akimbo for that long over it. The difference of Kershaw's potential was not to be made on a dozen or so pitches in the eighth.

And I just wanted to use the word akimbo after being in the LAT Xword, so I shall stand down to avoid belaboring it.

Hopefully good Hiro shows up tomorrow for hopefully my last internet-stand-in game scored.

2008-09-02 22:24:47
14.   sporky
Andre Ethier is out of his mind. That is all.
2008-09-02 22:25:37
15.   bhsportsguy
So you wanted to see Scott Proctor, Jason Johnson or Eric Stults in the game instead of Kershaw?
2008-09-02 22:26:51
16.   Mike Scioscias tragic illness
15

What I wanted was Kershaw out after 6, and McDonald getting a chance to taste the bigs in a low-pressure situation with a big lead against a lousy team.

I could have lived with Johnson, Stults, or Proctor too.

2008-09-02 22:27:07
17.   Jacob Burch
15 I'm secretly and selfishly hoping the Dodgers follow suit with the run scoring thing to allow for an Elbert or (even more so) J-Mac appearance. Would love to see those guys in person before the season is over, and I'm unsure of my ability to go to games over the next home stand.
2008-09-02 22:27:14
18.   Jon Weisman
13 - Yes. It's not that the move was right, it's that it's not worth freaking out over.
2008-09-02 22:27:53
19.   Xeifrank
11. I think you have valid points in bullets one and three, but I am going to go with pitches thrown over innings pitched given only those two things to look at. There are other indicators like velocity and command, but I have no idea how those were looking at the end of his 7th inning of work.
vr, Xei
2008-09-02 22:28:22
20.   Tripon
11 9 Off day on Thursday, showing confidence in Kershaw, award for pitching a good game, trying not to over manage a game like he's been accused of with several games. I wouldn't be against pulling Kershaw but like Jon said, it shouldn't be an issue tonight. Both McDonald and Elbert will be able to pitch tomorrow and with the off day, Friday. Hopefully, they won't both need to, but you never know.

I was more perplexed at letting Biemiel pitch two innings since Torre been using him as a semi-LOOGY for this year, but that worked out too.

2008-09-02 22:28:57
21.   Mike Scioscias tragic illness
19 I agree, but it's hard to go with pitches thrown over innings pitched when you're talking about the course of an entire season.
2008-09-02 22:29:30
22.   Jon Weisman
8- I liked it. It's not as if it was being heard in the show - it was just soundtrack.
2008-09-02 22:30:31
23.   bhsportsguy
I think its more likely you will see McDonald (if you see him at all) in a blowout loss as opposed to any game where the outcome is in doubt or the Dodgers have a lead.
2008-09-02 22:31:20
24.   Jacob Burch
23 Elbert it is!
2008-09-02 22:32:45
25.   silverwidow
The 8th inning left a bad taste in my mouth, too: he should've been pulled after his first walk. No need to push it.

Two cheap runs added to his ERA.

2008-09-02 22:32:45
26.   Jon Weisman
21 - Why?
2008-09-02 22:33:17
27.   Xeifrank
21. I'm not sure why that would be the case other than innings pitched is the 'magic' stat the team is using to cap Kershaw's arm useage at. They could just as easily use total pitches thrown to, but it's a stat that isn't easily available in the sunday newspaper stat section.
vr, Xei
2008-09-02 22:33:56
28.   Tripon
Takashi Saito will be transferred to the 60-day disabled list, and he is still eligible to come off beginning Sept. 11. The move was made in order to make room for the Dodgers to purchase the contract of catcher A.J. Ellis from Class AAA Las Vegas today.

http://www.beloblog.com/Pe_Blogs/prosports/mlb/dodgers/

2008-09-02 22:37:59
29.   ToyCannon
0
Good stuff, I never would have realized it without you pointing it out.

I was surprised that Torre let Clayton pitch the 8th but these decisions are not made in a vacuum. They knew his pitch count, I'm sure they talked to Russ about his stuff and to Clayton about how he felt. He's not a baby, he's a major league pitcher and the pitch count and how hard he had worked was negligible.

Sucks to see Pierre get hurt when he was finally showing some value by being an excellent speed asset off the bench.

2008-09-02 22:42:28
30.   Alex41592
Actual conversation between Simers and Torre before the game:

T.J Simers: Are you actually playing Juan Pierre today?

Joe Torre: I am.

T.J Simers: What? What? What possessed you? What moved you? What...what are you thinking?

Joe Torre: Well. Um, I'm just thinking I wanted to get Matt Kemp out of there for a day. He's forcing it a little bit so I just thought I'd put Juan in there.

T.J Simers: He's still better right.

Joe Torre: I understand.

T.J Simers: Anybody else you're thinking about resting the next few days?

Torre: I was hoping you would volunteer.

2008-09-02 22:44:43
31.   kinbote
I apologize for carelessly rehashing a tired point in a Rule 6-ish way. Please ignore my comment and enjoy your evenings (second person plural seems appropriate here).
2008-09-02 22:51:42
32.   madmac
and if Kershaw came out in the 6th and the relievers proceeded to give up runs and make it a tight game and heaven forbid a game we lose, then what...we've been in this situation also. the same people would probably argue that Kershaw was looking great, his pitch count was low. No reason to pull him. He's not a baby. You can't please everyone, so you might as well please yourself.
2008-09-02 22:51:43
33.   ToyCannon
Pie in the sky dreaming but if we can get Saito and Furcal back by Sept 15th it will be huge. A bullpen of Elbert/Biemel/Wade/Kuo/Broxton/Saito would be friggin awesome.

Furcal is what this team is missing from being a real playoff mover and shaker.
Furcal
Loney
Manny
Kemp
Ethier
Blake
Martin
DeWitt

2008-09-02 22:52:00
34.   Tripon
I would think innings pitched over a season is a quick and easy way to measure a pitcher's effectiveness, and to convert's a pitcher's pitch count.

You look at a pitcher's pitch count on a given start. You look at his innings count to see if he's been pitching over a period of time. The big thing is that this is Torre's first time letting Kershaw go over the innings limit, and he did it when Kershaw had a low pitching count and was cruising for the most part.

2008-09-02 22:53:12
35.   underdog
22 - True. Also the Decemberists have a 60s psychedelia kind of sound. Plus it was a montage of women putting on their bras -- who cares!
2008-09-02 22:54:08
36.   Tripon
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/03/sports/baseball/03pins.html?_r=1&ref=baseball&oref=slogin

Yankees says they're going to put Joba in the bullpen again to start '09.

2008-09-02 22:59:57
37.   KG16
14 - I concur.
2008-09-02 23:06:00
38.   MollyKnight
I love the Decemberists. Their last album was as moving as anything I'd heard in years. I just wish they'd stop singing songs about things I don't understand.
2008-09-02 23:06:17
39.   Louis in SF
In addition to Saito and Furcal possibly coming back, Penny claims to have no more problems, he still has to throw later this week. If he comes back he will probably come back as a reliver, but Honneycutt indicated he could be put on a specific pitch count. If we put Penny and Maddux as a tag team, Maddux can't pitch more than 6 innings, that would seem to be an effective use of Penny. It would be great to see this entire team finally healthy!
2008-09-02 23:12:17
40.   Jacob Burch
38 That's what a U of Montana education gets you.

Wasn't a big fan of the last album, and I think Castaways gets untouched, but I'm also a tad more...eclectic in my music tastes, so I often squash my feelings on this particular forum.

Still, glad to see that the Decemberists were able to dig themself out of the early "Pirates + Neutral Milk Hotel*" typecast they got early on.

* - Also authors of the most moving piece of art, personally, of my life.

2008-09-02 23:17:01
41.   Alex41592
Developing story:

Cubs may have lost Carlos Zambrano.

http://tinyurl.com/6x6h3u

2008-09-02 23:25:17
42.   underdog
Oh man.. Jacob mentions Neutral Milk Hotel and gets Underdog Bonus Points! (Points expired yesterday. It's the thought that counts.)

In the Aeroplane Over the Sea is one of my favorite melodramatic indie rock records ever.

2008-09-02 23:28:11
43.   fanerman
Neutral Milk Hotel rocks.
2008-09-02 23:28:21
44.   Tripon
Ethier grounded out in the eighth to fall short of collecting the third cycle in the last two days. He's hitting .314 with eight homers in 102 at-bats since the beginning of August. He has 12 homers in two months, matching Juan Pierre's career total in 5,117 at-bats.

http://rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=MLB&id=405

2008-09-02 23:28:22
45.   Tripon
Ethier grounded out in the eighth to fall short of collecting the third cycle in the last two days. He's hitting .314 with eight homers in 102 at-bats since the beginning of August. He has 12 homers in two months, matching Juan Pierre's career total in 5,117 at-bats.

http://rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=MLB&id=405

2008-09-02 23:48:18
46.   Alex41592
Question: Did you have any thoughts about taking Kershaw out before the eighth inning?

Torre: We talked about it. And his pitch count was so good. And we sort of wanted him to get past the seventh just for a psychological thing. He was anxious to go back out there. And the fact that the second hitter was left handed we were basically going to leave him out there for the two hitters.

More...

Torre: The big part of it was pitch count and the fact that he really didn't have to labor tonight. You know where there were men on every inning. That stuff wasn't the case."

Question: Is he (Kershaw) basically pitching without restrictions?

Torre: To save one inning at this juncture it doesn't really matter.

Torre was asked about the set 170 innings pitched limit.

Torre: It's still something to look at and if it's something we need to address later on we'll do it but right now we're trying to win to get to where we need to go.

2008-09-02 23:49:43
47.   Jacob Burch
My "Moving Albums in N Years" list! (greater than 2000 with one exception)

Bonnie 'Prince' Billy - The Letting Go
Songs: Ohia - mi sei apparso come un fantasma
Basia Bulat - Oh, My Darling
Vashti Bunyan - Lookaftering
Panda Bear - Young Prayer
Wilco - YHF
The Wrens - Meadowlands
Spiritualized - ladies and gentlemen we are floating in space
Iron & Wine - Creek Drank the Cradle

Various honorable mentions to Explosions in the Sky, Sigur Ros, and Sufjan Stevens songs.

2008-09-03 00:00:12
48.   sporky
I recommend giving Zoë Keating a listen. She was featured on WNYC's Radio Lab's most recent podcast.
2008-09-03 00:04:07
49.   LAT
33. A guy lets one ground ball wind up in his shirt and you are ready to replace him ;-)
2008-09-03 00:52:06
50.   bhsportsguy
If Kent gave scholarships to Cal students aiming to become great librarians

http://tinyurl.com/6jjghh

TODAY'S LAST word comes from Sara Baron-Recalde: "I was an athlete at Berkeley playing field hockey. When I was a sophomore my coach called me to her office. She said this may sound a little weird, but you are getting a scholarship from Jeff Kent. Up until that point in time the only scholarship a field hockey player was getting was for books, but from that point on half of my tuition was paid for by Kent. He paid for others as well. I graduated and have my parents and Jeff Kent to thank for not having to repay any student loans. He gave me a break, maybe you all should give him one."

And tick off Kent -- are you crazy?

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2008-09-03 01:12:44
51.   LAT
Motorcycle repair at UT or SMU maybe, but womens field hockey at Berley. No way. It can't be "our" Jeff Kent. How could Simmers not have been on this sooner?
2008-09-03 01:22:13
52.   LAT
And that is why I didn't get into UC Berley.
2008-09-03 04:30:31
53.   Eric Enders
Yeah, The Crane Wife is spectacular. It seems like every lyric Colin Meloy writes is pure gold. And 47 , good call on The Wrens. Meadowlands is spectacular and so is Secaucus. Those guys are one of the great bands of our lifetime and probably less than one percent of the population has even heard of them.
2008-09-03 06:28:21
54.   Bob Hendley
38 - I got one of there albums, thinking that it was something I might like, but didn't grab me right off. I guess I'll go back to it, as I hear that Laura Veirs, who I really love, collaborates with them.
2008-09-03 06:39:12
55.   whodat807
It's fun to imagine Kent at Berkeley. In my imagination he wandered around campus in a full baseball uniform, his mustache rippling in the breeze, frequenting Top Dog and stepping over hippies.

(I just graduated from Cal btw. I wish Kent could've helped me out with my tuition; should have taken up women's field hockey.)

(Also, my favorite Neutral Milk Hotel song is "Candy Coated Dreams". Love that song.)

2008-09-03 06:45:29
56.   CodyS
Angel Berroa since the all-star break:
.256/.322/.356 That is non-terrible for a SS.

And in fact, it's way better than Nomar
.222/.247/.395

Both in ~90 plate appearances. Hu is unlikely to do better than that, so say hello to our best offensive option at shortstop.

2008-09-03 06:55:26
57.   Sam DC
0 - As others have said, this is a great post. My impression of August was sure different than the reality of August. Part of it is streaks I think - if you scatter those 8 losses through the month instead of lumping them together in one foul, wretched heap (a big part of which was left here on my doorstep) it probably wouldn't have felt as bad.

Am I reading Jon's chart correctly that the Dodgers out-OPS'd their opponents by .050 in August yet scored 16 fewer runs? That seems hard to do.

Nice thread overall, excellent late morning coffee read.

2008-09-03 06:55:31
58.   Bob Timmermann
55
I was at Berkeley around the time Kent was. It was the Reagan Era. Even Berkeley's counterculture had gone underground a bit then.
2008-09-03 06:57:30
59.   Sam DC
(And 30 is hysterical.)
2008-09-03 07:00:53
60.   D4P
58
Rule 5!
2008-09-03 07:08:54
61.   East Coast Dodger
33 Cannon, why not put Ethier in the 2-hole? Seems a better spot for him than Loney.

And regarding the D's "bad" luck in August; I prefer to look at the good luck side. The Dodgers were really bad the second part of August and still had the fortune to be within relatively easy striking distance of the Snakes. Besides, isn't the hard part of our remaining schedule over, so that the D's have an easier schedule than the Snakes from here out?

2008-09-03 07:29:51
62.   Disabled List
Correct me if I'm wrong (or if this was discussed previously), but since Kershaw was sent down right at the end of August and was not on the 25-man roster on Aug. 31, he's not eligible for any postseason play, right?

I'm still not happy that Torre ran him out there for the 8th inning, but I guess I'm ok with that move if it was for psychological reasons. That's what they pay Joe the big bucks for.

2008-09-03 07:31:13
63.   Andrew Shimmin
He'll be eligible. The rule isn't that you have to be on the roster on August 31st, it's that you have to have been on the roster at some point prior to August 31st. And there are loopholes, even there.
2008-09-03 07:32:21
64.   Bob Timmermann
Kershaw was on the 40-man roster so he could be used to replace a player on the DL for any postseason games.
2008-09-03 07:34:01
65.   Bob Timmermann
And there are loopholes, even there.

Francisco Rodriguez meet Steve Green. Mr. Green meet Mr. Rodriguez.

2008-09-03 07:34:24
66.   Andrew Shimmin
Wait, am I wrong? Looks like. That was predictable.

http://tinyurl.com/5595rb

2008-09-03 07:43:25
67.   Ken Noe
We've had no trash cans this year. At times, Kent even came out and defended his young teammates. I think he tried in his own cantakerous way to be a better teammate and teacher. Sadly for him, it was just too late, I suspect.
2008-09-03 07:45:25
68.   D4P
We've had no trash cans this year

Just a lot of garbage.

2008-09-03 07:46:40
69.   MC Safety
35 Psychadelia? Really? I thought they leaned towards folk. Don't they use accordians and violins?
2008-09-03 07:50:48
70.   Johnny Nucleo
0 That run differential is interesting. I wonder if it was the Dodgers being unlucky with RISP, the Dodgers' opponents being lucky with RISP, or a perfect storm of both?
2008-09-03 08:00:12
71.   oshea2002
Have there been any Furcal updates lately?
2008-09-03 08:40:27
72.   Bumsrap
I like the way DeWitt is now swinging the bat. When he was sent down he seemed to be plagued by the instruction of Easler and now he is swinging with authority and confidence. I have a question. Would DeWitt work with weights differently if he were preparing to play third base than he would if her were preparing to play second base?
2008-09-03 08:43:30
73.   Bumsrap
It seems that no matter how good Mattingly was as a hitter or how good he is as a hitting coach, the younger players seem to also need someone like Manny to fully take advantage of a Mattingly.
2008-09-03 08:52:59
74.   Bumsrap
I think I want to see an outfield of Lambo, Kemp, and Ethier no later than 2010 if not by August 2009. That isn't going to happen if the Dodgers sign Manny. To build a bridge to Lambo, although I dislike a salary over $15 million, I could support a two year, $52 million deal for Manny if Boras helped move Jones to another team.
2008-09-03 08:56:54
75.   Bumsrap
If the Dodgers were to sign Furcal I think it should be as a third baseman and let Hu play short. That means not signing Casey Blake.
2008-09-03 08:57:23
76.   Bumsrap
Five in a row is good enough for me. By.
2008-09-03 09:14:37
77.   MC Safety
(Waves arms in the air)

I'm here! Agree with most everything you said besides resigning Furcal.

It's a nice day for some Syd Barrett, too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBgr3da2yDM&feature=related

2008-09-03 09:24:57
78.   Tripon
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=3566622

Gene Wojciechowski talks about Joe Torre.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=3565316

Jerry Crasnick grades several FA signings from 2007 including Kuroda, and Jones.

2008-09-03 09:29:35
79.   Bumsrap
The picture of the glove at the bottom ad looks just like my glove. Maybe I should look to see if I still have it. My son has loaned it to friends a few times.
2008-09-03 09:36:31
80.   fracule
"Just seeing the ball, staying inside and trying to go the other way," Ethier said. "I'm just waiting for my pitch. It's nice having Manny hitting behind you and getting to see some stuff that they're throwing with the caliber and type of player that's hitting behind you."

Seems Andre Gigante sees things a little bit differently than
Hippie Jeff Kent.

2008-09-03 09:41:06
81.   Eric Stephen
80
Hippie Jeff Kent

The idea of Kent hitchhiking across country as a longhair in a VW Bus delights me.

2008-09-03 09:45:54
82.   Ken Noe
81 He'd be one of those dangerous hippies though, the kind who would race across country in a stolen car and crash through road blocks while Cleavon Little talked about him on the radio.
2008-09-03 09:48:43
83.   Bob Timmermann
81
I wonder if the Dodger players in Midland (Great Lakes), Michigan get dropped off in nearby Saginaw.

Then it takes them four days to hitchhike from there.

2008-09-03 09:54:21
84.   underdog
Just a gentle request but if y'all are quoting from an actual article/interview, if you could provide a link to said article or at least cite the source, I'd be much obliged. That way I know you're not just being clever and making it up. :-)

82 Wait, no, wasn't Jeff Kent in "Two Lane Blacktop"?

2008-09-03 10:03:40
85.   old dodger fan
I didn't think it was serious but below is from an old Jeff Kent bio on the web at:
http://jockbio.com/Bios/Kent/Kent_numbers.html

In 1998, Jeff and Dana launched Women Driven, a scholarship program for female athletes at his alma mater, the University of California

2008-09-03 10:09:33
86.   fracule
84 With my apologies.

http://tinyurl.com/6cqf3x

2008-09-03 10:17:12
87.   Bob Hendley
75 - Who are you thinking at 2nd base, the Solution? Now Rafa does have a cannon, but Hu/Rafa have mostly been discussed in the past in terms of combinations at ss/2nd. Hopefully, he'll get a chance to show something in a couple of weeks. What's plan B for you?
2008-09-03 10:34:04
88.   underdog
86 Thanks! :-)

87 Why does Hu/Rafa sound like a kibbutz in Israel?

2008-09-03 10:49:23
89.   CanuckDodger
John Perrotto at Baseball Prospectus is claiming that Kim Ng is emerging as the favorite to be the next GM of the Mariners.
2008-09-03 10:56:54
90.   Jon Weisman
89 - I'm sure he's just speculating like we would. I don't think he's a reporter.
2008-09-03 11:11:40
91.   sajjushah
Why did we call up AJ Ellis, and not Lucas May?
2008-09-03 11:12:20
92.   Eric Stephen
91
Because pitchers don't get angry throwing to A.J. Ellis?
2008-09-03 11:16:19
93.   regfairfield
The .293 on base probably had something to do with it too.
2008-09-03 11:27:24
94.   Tripon
Lucas May, harmer of double AA pitchers.
2008-09-03 11:34:34
95.   Sam DC
Nice chat with Jim Abbott online at the Post. He is working with the Department of Labor on programs to help disabled folks have productive work lives.

He says George Brett was the toughest guy for him to get out.

And that Michigan will win 8 games this year.

http://tinyurl.com/6ge3f8

2008-09-03 11:35:57
96.   kinbote
Lucas May is not only a AA catcher, he's also a complete sentence!
2008-09-03 11:36:03
97.   CanuckDodger
90 -- I think Perrotto must at least be somebody who talks to "insiders," since he and Will Carroll both "covererd" the trade deadline for BP, talking to sources. Perrotto's statement sure did not make it sound like something more than speculation, but I suppose somebody could be feeding him wrong info.
2008-09-03 11:40:31