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One of My Favorite Commercials Ever
2008-11-15 22:06
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Comments (143)
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2008-11-15 22:10:40
1.   bhsportsguy
Bo Jackson, I think it is safe to day that there will no one else like him.
2008-11-15 22:10:58
2.   bhsportsguy
"will be"
2008-11-15 22:13:24
3.   Eric Stephen
This one gets me a little teary-eyed every time:

http://tinyurl.com/6zb9dz

2008-11-15 22:14:51
4.   Eric Stephen
1
My favorite football players ever:

1) Bo Jackson
2) Ronnie Lott
3) Marcus Allen
4) Barret Robbins*

*Not really, but that was a hell of a party!

2008-11-15 22:20:28
5.   bhsportsguy
Here's the scene where Michael visits Hyman Roth and USC is playing Notre Dame.
2008-11-15 22:29:19
6.   Kevin Lewis
3

If only the food was good

2008-11-15 22:46:57
7.   mintxcore
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C02M0bd53AM

that is my favorite commercial.

"streams of bacon ranch dressing flows right up to your knees...."

2008-11-15 23:03:59
8.   Daniel Zappala
bh -- from the last thread -- yes, I'm definitely excited to see the BYU vs Utah game this year. I may actually watch it on TV, though the weather should be nice enough that I can do my usual gardening+radio combination. Really, biggest game west of Texas? Huh. I'm predicting a BYU win, since their offense has been amazing, with the combination of Hall, Unga, Collie, and Pitta. Their defense is a bit shaky, since nearly all the secondary has been hurt, but I don't know if Utah can take advantage of it. Good chance for a high-scoring game on both sides.
2008-11-16 01:47:24
9.   Dodgers49
Doug Melvin: Price not right for CC Sabathia

>> "It sounds like they're overbidding," Melvin said. "If the speculation is true that we've offered CC $100 million, why would you offer $140 million? Why wouldn't you offer $110 million?"

The answer to that question, according to reports out of New York, is that the Yankees are trying to "blow away" Sabathia with an offer he can't refuse. <<

http://tinyurl.com/6yhwwj

2008-11-16 02:14:26
10.   Dodgers49
Bill Plaschke finally chimes in:

Dodgers should put money for Manny to better use

>> If Manny Ramirez couldn't carry this current team to that final lap during a postseason in which he hit .520, what makes you think he could ever do it? <<

http://tinyurl.com/6xh4tj

2008-11-16 02:27:12
11.   DBrim
10 - As if it's his fault we lost? Sheesh, and I thought these columnists wouldn't upset me during the off-season.
2008-11-16 06:56:21
12.   Ken Noe
10 Plaschke opposed resigning Manny during the season, so that's not new. What annoyed me this morning was his illogical admonition that the Dodgers now must "count on the kids" coupled with demands that LA trade "prospects" for Peavy and Beltre.
2008-11-16 06:57:36
13.   Bob Hendley
10 - I don't think that we should enter into a major bidding war and go that much more over the offer that Ned just took of the table, but this is just plain silly.
2008-11-16 07:12:03
14.   Bumsrap
Other than signing CC, I want the Dodgers to be conservative for 2009 and then see what they can do free agent wise for 2010 regarding Beltre or Holladay types. The money they don't give to Manny, Furcal, and Blake can and should go to CC.
2008-11-16 07:19:57
15.   LogikReader
3

I think they still play that Applebee's commercial during March Madness. Such a great commercial! It gets Jason Smith every time.

2008-11-16 07:31:20
16.   D4P
A week before Boston traded Manny Ramirez to the Los Angeles Dodgers late last July, the relationship between the Red Sox and their left fielder had grown so contentious and strained that the club was prepared to take the extraordinary step of suspending its best hitter, ESPN has learned.

According to multiple sources, Boston management had drafted an official letter of suspension for Ramirez, and delivered it to him at Fenway Park at around 11 p.m. on Friday night, July 25. For the second straight game, Ramirez had refused to play that evening, and the Red Sox lost 1-0 to the rival New York Yankees in front of a boisterous and sold-out home crowd.

The letter informed Ramirez that the suspension was to go into effect the next day, Saturday, July 26. It said Ramirez was being suspended without pay for being unwilling to play. Copies of the letter were also sent to Major League Baseball, the MLB Players Association and Ramirez's agent, Scott Boras.

For weeks leading up to the July 31 trading deadline, Ramirez had been complaining of pain in his right knee. After he told Boston manager Terry Francona that his knee was too sore to play on July 25, the Red Sox's front office ordered an MRI exam during that night's game against the Yankees.

But on the way to the exam, Ramirez, according to sources, couldn't remember which knee was sore. So the Red Sox had both of his knees examined. The MRIs revealed no damage in either.

2008-11-16 07:48:18
17.   KG16
I would suggest a Plaschke Principle, under which we believe the best course of action is the exact opposite of whatever Plaschke suggests. But he changes is mind every other day, so I'm not sure that's such a good idea, either.
2008-11-16 08:16:13
18.   Marty
7 That's a great commercial.

Where french fries grow like weeds.

2008-11-16 08:24:09
19.   Gen3Blue
17 Plaschke's logic is so bizarre that it probably defies any consistent principle.
2008-11-16 08:29:50
20.   ChicagoDodger
16 That is precisely why I hated hearing all the stuff coming out of Boston, and the media for that matter saying what a bad example the Manny situation in LA was setting.

Boston had an opportunity to settle it through suspension and perhaps even legal action to show Manny he wasn't going to get his way, or in a sense show him who's boss.

Instead they chose to take the path of least drama by trading him, and then they wanted to still be able to complain about how things were turning out.

I say, handle the business the best way you see fit, and then shut the heck up. If they didn't like how Manny was acting, man up and suspend him. If they felt trading him made more sense, even if they had to pay his entire (the remaining portion) contract, then trade him and let it be. That is all.

2008-11-16 08:39:46
21.   ChicagoDodger
17 In terms of what decisions the Dodgers need to make, I think they need to begin and end with what makes sense financially. Bad business decisions make for bad baseball teams.

The offer they made to Manny makes sense. Perhaps a guaranteed 3rd year if that is what it would take, but anyone signing Manny for 6 years is just not making smart decisions.

As for CC, $150 million, and that is what it is likely to take if someone else steps in to bid against the Yankees, is just to much of an outlay for "anyone" unless you can print your own money which the Yankees seemingly can do. With the supposed pressure coming from the players union for CC to take the Yankee offer, I don't see how any other team will be able to acquire him.

Peavy would be nice, but not at the cost in players it is likely to take.

Good business decisions. They may not always be sexy. But in the end, they are usually what is best for the team.

2008-11-16 08:43:56
22.   D4P
20
I can only hope that GMs are smart enough to talk about this stuff in their dealings with Boras. Why not put together a glossy book of Manny scuffling with Youkilis, or shoving the traveling secretary to the ground, or sitting on the bench while refusing to do that which he agreed to do in exchange for $20 million a year (i.e. play baseball)?

In related news, Dodger Management wouldn't let a young player get away with this kinda crap. But veterans can do pretty much whatever they want.

2008-11-16 08:52:01
23.   D4P
With the supposed pressure coming from the players union for CC to take the Yankee offer

1. It doesn't seem "right" for the players union to pressure any player to sign with a particular team. Not only does that raise the possibility that the union might not have the player's best interests in mind, but it also seems like a reverse form of "tampering" from the standpoint of other teams who might be interested in signing the player.

2. I don't really see how the Yankees giving CC $140 million really sets any kind of general standard for other players and other teams. The Yankees have a lot more money than anyone else, and their contracts don't really apply across the board. Plus, no team is under any obligation to offer any player any amount. Teams can offer what they want.

2008-11-16 08:53:50
24.   Ken Noe
22 As you know, I'm no Ned defender, but in this case I'm sure it's all on his mind. Ned's already achieved his major 2008 goal of not being fired by now. He clearly doesn't want Manny back in 2009 unless ol'99 has to worry about getting one more contract from one more team. Remember too, he was ready to trade the farm for CC last summer.
2008-11-16 09:09:01
25.   ChicagoDodger
23 The Yankees have a lot more money than anyone else, and their contracts don't really apply across the board. Plus, no team is under any obligation to offer any player any amount. Teams can offer what they want.

Well, certainly this is true, but you do realize that players and player agents, at least those for the elite players, look at those contracts that the Yankees give out, and use them as comparison when they negotiate for their players behalf.

If CC is getting $25 million a year from the Yankees and he has back-to-back 17 win seasons, another pitcher who has pithed better in that time-frame and is a free agent 2 years from now is simply going to say "if CC is worth $25 million, then I am worth at least that much, or more".

CC's contract would be out there, and it would be difficult for a team to argue against it. Now, we may get to a point where every team, except the Yankees simply replies, "that may be, but I still can't afford that".

But we certainly are not there yet. And until we are, those Yankee contracts will still be used as a standard for the elite players to negotiate off of.

2008-11-16 09:25:19
26.   Dodger Dawg
Ned will fiddle while Rome burns.
2008-11-16 09:25:23
27.   ChicagoDodger
22 I agree, but that seems more like a stance for not signing Manny period!

Not a negotiating ploy for 2 or 3 years versus 6 years.

2008-11-16 09:31:15
28.   D4P
27
It's axiomatic that agents (including Boras) will only focus on what their clients do well, and will probably overstate the case in doing so.

It's therefore up to Management to ground the discussions in reality by focusing on what the players don't do well, including behavioral problems.

For every glossy photo Boras shows me of Manny hitting a homerun, I show him an even glossier one of Manny looking like a buffoon in left field, or pushing people around, or acting like a spoiled brat on the bench.

2008-11-16 09:34:16
29.   D4P
And there's this:

Sources said he told the Red Sox that his knees were so sore, he couldn't play for three weeks

Either Manny was lying about his knees, or he has major knee problems.

In either case, I would put Boras on the defensive and make him explain what's going on here. Boras would probably lie and say that Manny's knees did hurt but that now they're 100% and won't cause any problems for the rest of Manny's career.

I then laugh in Boras's face.

2008-11-16 09:51:30
30.   ChicagoDodger
28 Again I agree. But you have to ask yourself. If you have those glossy pictures painting Manny that way, why do you even want him?

I know if I were Boras (wow, I can't believe I said such a thing), and you showed me those pictures, I would ask you, "then why are we even having this discussion?" "It's obvious you have a problem with him, so why are you interested in signing him?"

Boras' job is to promote his client and get him the most money. Teams don't have to sign him (Manny), and if they felt the way you say they should, then they probably shouldn't even be pursuing him. And if they do decide to pursue him, then they can't go back to the things you suggest, because they knew that going in. If you don't like those things, then don't sign him. But you can't use them as leverage to try and broker a better deal. Boras will only point to the stats and say, if you don't like him, then look elsewhere.

As for younger players not getting away with stuff? If only they could produce! Perhaps then, they would get away with it too, no?

2008-11-16 09:57:03
31.   D4P
But you can't use them as leverage to try and broker a better deal. Boras will only point to the stats and say, if you don't like him, then look elsewhere.

But that's my point. I do use those things as leverage. I say that I want Manny, but I want him for less money and years than Boras claims he deserves.

A player with Manny's offensive stats who has no behavioral problems and/or health problems might be worth what Boras is asking. But once you factor in horrendous defense, immaturity, and bad knees, he's not worth as much. That doesn't mean he's worth nothing, just not as much as Boras wants.

And if every GM approaches the negotiations this way, then it will work. I'm not saying GMs need to collude: I'm saying they each need a modicum of intelligence. This stuff is obvious, and it's not too much to expect anyone getting paid 6-7 figures a year to GM a team to figure out.

All of which is not to say I necessarily want Manny, because I'm not sure whether I do or not.

2008-11-16 10:05:03
32.   ChicagoDodger
31 I think its a slippery slope, and one that is not likley to happen.

I don't believe you can place a monetary value on behavioral problems. It tends to be an all-or-nothing proposition. At least until the player stops producing at high levels, or that player has pretty much worn out his welcome around the league. Neither of which apply to Manny at this point.

What you are asking for, "sanity in GM's" would be a great thing. Unfortuantely, sanity is a quality rarely found in most GM's. And that is why someone like Boras can become so successful.

2008-11-16 10:08:14
33.   D4P
sanity is a quality rarely found in most GM's. And that is why someone like Boras can become so successful

Yes, and this is ultimately my biggest complaint. GMs get paid way too much to be stupid, and yet it happens all the time. I think the smart owners are starting to realize this, and are beginning to hire GMs who actually know what they're doing rather than just hiring Good Ole' Baseball Boys.

The Dodgers, on the other hand, have moved in the exact opposite direction.

2008-11-16 10:11:14
34.   ChicagoDodger
33 I agree. I am going to watch some football. It was nice talking to you!
2008-11-16 10:37:36
35.   Icaros
33

That doesn't just apply to baseball. My biggest shock as an adult is the number of people I've known and worked with in both high-level and middle-management positions who have absolutely no business being there.

It doesn't surprise me that our economy is underwater.

2008-11-16 10:51:33
36.   D4P
35
And you might be tempted to think that the qualifications for being Vice Leader of the Free World would actually be "high".

But you'd be wrong.

2008-11-16 11:08:55
37.   Woden325
0 The poignantly backlit street sweeper gets me every time.
2008-11-16 11:09:40
38.   Bumsrap
36 - An argument could be made that the majority disagrees with your last statement.
2008-11-16 11:17:37
39.   Bumsrap
I think the players union does put pressure on the very best players to accept the highest offer as their strategy for creeping up the salaries of the majority of players. I think players will expect the best players to work that strategy but, I don't think players will mind if a player turns down the top offer if that player clearly wants to play in a particular league and in a geographic area, as long as that lesser salary contributes to raising the bar.
2008-11-16 11:46:55
40.   superbas
wrt to cc i don't expect us to outbid the yankees, but i'll be happy if ned offer a 5/110-115 or 6/120-125 and let cc decide. if the brewers can afford 5/100 we can at least throw something out there.
2008-11-16 12:02:30
41.   ToyCannon
The only time in my life I rooted for the Raiders was when Bo Jackson played for them. Of all the athletes I've seen he remains at the top of my list.

His commercials were gold.

From what I've read the players union pressure is tremendous on the player to accept the best offer. Not being a part of the inner circle I have no idea if that is true or that is what is floated so a player does not look so greedy when they take the best offer most of the time.

2008-11-16 12:13:33
42.   Gen3Blue
41 That last alternative is a disgusting thought I hadn't had yet.
2008-11-16 12:16:49
43.   Bob Timmermann
And baseball players aren't supposed to accept the highest salary offered them because? ....
2008-11-16 12:17:47
44.   D4P
41
Good point. Fans are probably supposed to think, "Players would be loyal and offer hometown discounts if it weren't for that greedy, domineering players union."
2008-11-16 12:19:39
45.   Bob Timmermann
The Raiders have 5 points now and if there's any justice in the world, that will be the Raiders final total.
2008-11-16 12:31:31
46.   D4P
I see that the Raiders now have 15 points. That was fast.
2008-11-16 12:31:46
47.   trainwreck
45
There is no justice in the world.
2008-11-16 12:39:24
48.   LAT
I, for one, applaud the Red Sox for their Manny smear campaign. First, any info that scares other teams off of Manny is a good thing for the Dodgers. Second, anything that drives down Manny's value, even if its a fake knee injury is also a good thing. And finally, we all know Manny faked his knee injury and shook the Red Sox down to avoid them exercising his option. Manny should have to live with the consequences of his actions and if that results in bad PR or a shortened contract so be it. So I say "Smear on Theo!!!"
2008-11-16 12:47:40
49.   D4P
Does Andruw Jones get to say, "I, for two, ..."?

(That was for you, Eric S.)

2008-11-16 13:15:04
50.   trainwreck
The Bay Area is the worst place in America to watch the NFL.
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2008-11-16 13:37:03
51.   fanerman
50 Maybe that's why I hate football.
2008-11-16 13:38:38
52.   trainwreck
51
I only semi-hate it.
2008-11-16 13:39:05
53.   trainwreck
And that is because the Raiders are beating it out of me.
2008-11-16 13:40:15
54.   Bob Timmermann
When you go with a double bill of UCLA on Saturday and the Raiders on Sunday, you might as well just skip ahead to Monday.
2008-11-16 13:41:39
55.   trainwreck
At least I have hope for the future with UCLA.
2008-11-16 13:45:41
56.   trainwreck
UCLA only needs 1 more win to achieve the goal I wanted for this year.
2008-11-16 13:50:35
57.   Bob Timmermann
Eagles and Bengals! That makes up for the Raiders failure to stay at 5 points.
2008-11-16 13:51:05
58.   Bob Timmermann
I meant "Eagles and Bengals tie!"

I was so excited, I left out the most important word!

2008-11-16 13:55:18
59.   trainwreck
That means the Raiders still would have 4th pick in the draft.

Poor Michael Crabtree.

2008-11-16 13:57:48
60.   trainwreck
ESPNU color commentator just said Kyle Singler is John Havlicek.
2008-11-16 14:08:08
61.   D4P
Kyle Singler is a traitor.
2008-11-16 14:09:55
62.   trainwreck
61
You can thank his dad for him going to Duke.

Of course, you probably prefer that to UCLA.

2008-11-16 14:14:21
63.   D4P
Oh well. Oregon doesn't need Kevin Love or Kyle Singler. The Ducks can beat Northern Colorado by 2 points without them, thank you very much.
2008-11-16 14:17:16
64.   trainwreck
63
Have you been following Mike Moser's recruitment?
2008-11-16 14:24:12
65.   D4P
Who's Mike Moser?
2008-11-16 14:27:59
66.   oshea2002
64-65 - I'm starting to hear good things about our (SC) chances with Moser.
2008-11-16 14:33:38
67.   trainwreck
65
Oregon's best player and he is really good.

From all accounts, it is between UCLA and Oregon.

2008-11-16 14:34:12
68.   D4P
The Rams are getting better each week.

Last week, they trailed 40-0 at the half.

This week, it's only 35-3.

In related news, Isaac Bruce as a 49er is just not right.

2008-11-16 14:35:08
69.   Ranma
16 31 48 ESPN's Outside the Lines video on Manny MRI affair:

http://tinyurl.com/otlbuyerbeware

In other news, Babe Ruth's 1938 Brooklyn Dodgers road uniform sold for $310,500 at auction at the Louisville Slugger Museum. It was the last uniform he would ever wear for major league baseball and he wore it as the team's first-base coach.

http://tinyurl.com/otlbuyerbeware

2008-11-16 14:35:41
70.   oshea2002
Rams were terrible, then really good for 3 weeks, and now terrible again.
2008-11-16 14:36:53
71.   natepurcell
64

The cats still have a chance!!!! :(

2008-11-16 14:38:05
72.   Ranma
69 My apologies. The Babe Ruth Brooklyn Dodger uniform story can be found at this link:

http://tinyurl.com/6a7b27

2008-11-16 14:39:17
73.   trainwreck
71
It seems likely you guys will keep Solomon Hill at least.
2008-11-16 14:40:33
74.   Xeifrank
MLB is hiring stats stringers fwiw.
Hat tip: Tango Tiger

http://jobsearch.mlb.careers.monster.com/

2008-11-16 14:41:20
75.   trainwreck
Oregon did get a commitment from a Singler.

Too bad EJ is not as good as his brother.

2008-11-16 14:44:17
76.   Bumsrap
43 - And baseball players aren't supposed to accept the highest salary offered them because?

AROD is a good example of a player not being happy with the highest offer. He had to play for Texas to get that offer.

If CC wants to play in the NL and on the West coast and can get a salary he is happy with, why play for the Yankees? Money should get you what you want and not what someone else tries to get you to take.

2008-11-16 14:48:17
77.   oshea2002
73 - you can tell from Hill's comments that his heart is still at Arizona. Unless they totally whiff on the HC hire, he'll end up there I bet.
2008-11-16 14:52:13
78.   trainwreck
77
Yeah, or if they fire the assistant he has ties with.

I cannot remember which assistant it is.

2008-11-16 14:52:46
79.   trainwreck
I think Geary.
2008-11-16 14:54:40
80.   D4P
Padres leading the Pirates 7-5.
2008-11-16 14:58:33
81.   LogikReader
80

Thank goodness for that Reed 3 run HR.

2008-11-16 15:13:51
82.   Gagne55
[81[ That HR was a chip shot.
2008-11-16 15:21:32
83.   trainwreck
Baron of Rhode Island is a ridiculous shooter.
2008-11-16 15:23:30
84.   D4P
Notre Dame men's basketball is playing a team today called USC Upstate.
2008-11-16 15:24:46
85.   ToyCannon
43
For the same reason many of us have turned down job offers with more money but in a an area that is not geographically desirable.

Would you accept an offer for twice your salary to go live in Cleveland and do whatever it is you do for the Main Cleveland Library?

I didn't think so.

2008-11-16 15:26:16
86.   ToyCannon
How many here who follow basketball ever heard of the fellow who torched the Clippers for 37 points yesterday? The first game he ever started, the 1st game with more then 30 points, the 1st game with more then 20 points, and the 1st game with more then 10 points.

OMG we suck.

2008-11-16 15:29:59
87.   trainwreck
86
I know of Morrow, but I live in Bay Area and UCLA played GTech a couple of years ago.

He lead Warriors in scoring in pre-season. Perfect for Warriors system. Just run to three-point line and shoot.

2008-11-16 15:31:49
88.   Bob Timmermann
85
But I presumably could work a long time in Los Angeles, but if the job in Cleveland were for a relatively short period of time (say six years) and I would be paid an insane amount of money, I'd suck it up.

It's not like the Los Angeles Public Library is going to trade me to the Cleveland Public Library for some librarian prospects.

Although the idea is tempting.

2008-11-16 15:33:53
89.   D4P
88
Is there a particular reason why you have chosen to work at a public library instead of a university library? I would think the latter would be really appealing...
2008-11-16 15:36:36
90.   Bob Timmermann
Higher starting salary.
Fewer demands on your free time.
Columbus Day off!
2008-11-16 15:37:45
91.   D4P
3-run HR for An. LaRoche off Hoffman gives Pirates 8-7 lead.
2008-11-16 15:38:34
92.   D4P
90
What kind of demands do university bibliotechs make on librarians' free time...?
2008-11-16 15:40:33
93.   trainwreck
Ugggggggh.

Rhode Island was soooooooo close to beating Duke.

2008-11-16 15:40:36
94.   Bob Timmermann
I'm not publishing anything in an academic library journal for starters.
2008-11-16 15:42:47
95.   D4P
94
They have to publish?

I did not know that.

2008-11-16 15:43:47
96.   Bob Timmermann
95
Ones who would like to get promoted do.

I also don't like college students for the most part.

2008-11-16 15:44:26
97.   D4P
I also don't like college students for the most part

Not even the cute ones...?

2008-11-16 15:46:42
98.   LAT
88 You need a stronger librarian union.
2008-11-16 15:49:04
99.   Bob Timmermann
98
We call ourselves a "guild."

Excuse me, I have to go turn in my finished product to my master to see if I can gain full membership.

2008-11-16 15:55:08
100.   Gagne55
Kaeding with a bases clearing triple. Padres lead 10-8.
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2008-11-16 15:55:40
101.   Gagne55
96 You don't like me?
2008-11-16 15:56:19
102.   Bob Timmermann
101
I said "for the most part"....
2008-11-16 16:12:46
103.   Bob Timmermann
After the game today, Donovan McNabb said he didn't know there were ties in the regular season and he thought the game would keep going.
2008-11-16 16:17:25
104.   D4P
With Tennessee on the verge of victory, the 1974 Dolphins can keep the champagne on ice.
2008-11-16 16:18:31
105.   trainwreck
Another 395 yards for Kurt Warner today. At least Matt Leinart can say he was benched for the possible MVP.
2008-11-16 16:19:41
106.   Bob Timmermann
The 1974 Dolphins went 11-3 and lost to the Raiders in their first playoff game.
2008-11-16 16:22:01
107.   Who Is Karim Garcia
The Pirates, Steelers and Penguins all wear yellow and gold. I just noticed.

Any other city where all three major teams wear the same colors?

2008-11-16 16:23:46
108.   Who Is Karim Garcia
107

Black and yellow, that is.

2008-11-16 16:26:05
109.   Bob Timmermann
The Steelers should have accepted the penalty and taken an 11-10 win.

Boo! Mike Tomlin goes on the obelisk!

2008-11-16 16:26:45
110.   Bob Timmermann
Yea! The points are off the board!

Tomlin is off the obelisk!

2008-11-16 16:27:20
111.   Who Is Karim Garcia
It is an 11-10 final!
2008-11-16 16:28:14
112.   Bob Timmermann
Jim Nantz doesn't realize just how happy I am about that score.
2008-11-16 16:29:23
113.   D4P
The 1974 Dolphins went 11-3 and lost to the Raiders in their first playoff game

Then I'm not really sure why they were going to drink champagne, but to each their own I guess.

2008-11-16 16:29:25
114.   Who Is Karim Garcia
I can relate to all you Raider fanatics. I grew up in LA and up until this season was a Raider fan. I just can't do it anymore, however. Not until the youth movement makes it's way all the way to the owners box.

Go whoever is playing the cowboys! GO, GO, GO!

2008-11-16 16:38:24
115.   Bob Timmermann
114
Ahh, the always loveable Washington NFL franchise...
2008-11-16 16:45:18
116.   Bob Timmermann
The 1974 playoff game between the Raiders and Dolphins was a very exciting one. I remember watching the end of it along with about 50 other people when my mom took me and my brothers shopping to The Treasury.
2008-11-16 16:50:54
117.   trainwreck
116
I guess you must have been cheering for the Dolphins.
2008-11-16 16:52:03
118.   Dodgers49
Contract offers to MLB free agents still out of this world

>> Vince Gennaro, the author of the book "Diamond Dollars: The Economics of Winning in Baseball," told CNBC the top free agents should prove bullet proof to the economy.

"But the middle of the free agent market - the place where mid-market teams usually dabble - could potentially be soft," Genaro said. "Lesser known guys like Nick Punto or Mark Grudzielanek may get less than they would have gotten one year ago. The top quality free agent will get top dollar and the rest of them may be disappointed." <<

http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_10997654

2008-11-16 16:55:50
119.   Bob Hendley
Great, on DC. As a Raiders fan I never watch the NFL anymore, but willing to see that Washington team play the Cowboys. Incidently, it was in 1983 when I took up with Raiders, after winning a big bet against my local team in the Super Bowl.

Speaking of DC, D4P is right about VP qualifications. They should be at least 35 years old, white, property owner born in TUS, who comes in second in the presidential election.

2008-11-16 17:03:01
120.   Bob Timmermann
117
Actually back then I was rooting against the Dolphins. I think a lot of people were tired of the Dolphins after they had won two Super Bowls. This might have been because they were the dullest Super Bowl champion until the Ravens won it.

Watching Larry Csonka dive into the line over and over and over was awful.

At least it was to me.

2008-11-16 17:04:00
121.   Bob Timmermann
119
Someone refuses to the acknowledge the legitimacy of the 12th Amendment.

That's edgy.

2008-11-16 17:07:17
122.   D4P
120
I thought you liked boring stuff.
2008-11-16 17:18:26
123.   Bob Hendley
Any team that allows John Riggins to run for 43 yds on a single play is suspect.
2008-11-16 17:26:58
124.   LogikReader
Remember those attempted laterals by the Chargers that was fumbled and returned for a TD, only to be called back because the first one was a forward pass?

I took a look on replay... that was a good call! Man what incredible vision by the refs to flag that forward lateral by Tomlinson. It looked like a lateral because he was running forward when he threw it, but the ball went forward an inch as it sailed to his left.

Of course, you could call it nitpicking... All I know is that flag hosed my fantasy team (had Pit defense).

2008-11-16 18:03:20
125.   Alex41592
Shaq just got ejected after a flagrant two on Rodney Stuckey. Shaq needless to say was not pleased. The referee just stood there with his back to Shaq refusing to talk to him. Terry Porter and staff then came on the court to convince him to leave the court. Which he eventually did.
2008-11-16 18:10:39
126.   LogikReader
125

How about that? I was watching on NBA tv and the Suns were cruising. Watch the Pistons come back and win the game in the 2nd Half.

2008-11-16 18:38:48
127.   scareduck
116 - The Treasury! Wow, there hasn't been one of those in ages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treasury_Stores

That takes me back to the era when the Block at Orange was still The City.

2008-11-16 18:39:03
128.   D4P
This from Furcal's agent:

The Giants have "expressed serious interest" in the free agent shortstop. "We've got serious interest in each other. He likes the Giants... He feels they can be competitive pretty quick."

This from Rotoworld:

Furcal is still at the point at which he likes anyone prepared to offer him a four-year contract.

2008-11-16 19:05:17
129.   Charenton
I am surprised that in 128 messages no one has mentioned the rather blatant … phallic symbol (actually it's not even symbolic…) on the youtube screen up above. This seems to be WAY beyond a mere rule 1 infraction…

Especially coming from the only baseball toaster site with such a code of conduct and a 'PG' rating…

2008-11-16 19:05:59
130.   trainwreck
It would be very lame if the Giants somehow sign Furcal and Manny and then beat us?
2008-11-16 19:07:34
131.   Bob Timmermann
127
The article on The Treasury did not lead me to an article about The Akron stores.

I remember being taken there as a kid also. I think everything there was wicker and rattan. But it was the 1970s. Was any other material used?

2008-11-16 19:08:08
132.   trainwreck
129
It is a basketball.
2008-11-16 19:13:18
133.   natepurcell
129

haha! Now I notice it....too funny.

2008-11-16 19:17:19
134.   trainwreck
No one will see it as a basketball anymore now.
2008-11-16 19:57:57
135.   MC Safety
86 The Clips are having some major problems defending. I was at the Sacramento game with a friend of mine and got to witness Beno Udrih's career night.

133 Omg that is hilarious. How the...?

2008-11-16 20:08:54
136.   kngoworld
What am I missing? All I see is a basketball.
2008-11-16 20:50:17
137.   Indiana Jon
I feel dumb now. I watched the entire video three times before I realized all I had to do was look at the screen before hitting play. That's hilarious.
2008-11-16 21:23:13
138.   underdog
I guess it's a sort of Freudian Rorschach test.
2008-11-16 21:25:34
139.   underdog
The new Masterpiece Theater movie is fun, btw -- "Filth."

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Wow, has Dontrelle Willis' stock fallen or what. Now he's being rumored in a trade for Julio Lugo.

2008-11-16 21:35:18
140.   underdog
D'oh. I guess he thought teams just played on forever until someone emerged victorious.

"I never even knew it was in the rule book." – Eagles QB Donovan McNabb, on his incorrect belief that NFL games couldn't end in a tie.

2008-11-16 21:42:33
141.   Eric Stephen
140
That's pretty bad. I was talking with my brother about this earlier, and I decided I would fire the coach on the spot if he said such a thing.
2008-11-16 22:13:27
142.   KG16
107 - I really can't think of any. Mets, Knicks, and Islanders, but New York's got so many teams, it's hard not to have overlap.
2008-11-16 22:38:12
143.   Jon Weisman
NPUT

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