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Grand Canyon Dodgers
2008-11-29 07:54
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

UntitledThings have changed since Vero Beach 1948.Untitled

According to Carrie Watters and Rebekah L. Sanders of the Arizona Republic, the cost of the new Glendale, Arizona spring training facility - Camelback Ranch - has jumped to nine figures.

Glendale's spring training complex for the Los Angeles Dodgers and Chicago White Sox is on track to open in February. But the cost, originally pegged around $80.7 million, sits closer to an Arizona Republic estimate of $115 million, with an additional $40 million for nearby infrastructure.

The facility's price jump came with additions such as stone façades on buildings, pools in the clubhouses, the shape of the facility's manmade river, and rising costs such as cost of materials and code compliance issues, according to the city and builder. Of that $115 million, the teams will chip in $7.2 million. ...

* * *

Nearly three years ago, we learned that former Dodger minor leaguer Mike Nixon had traded his glove for a spot on defense with the Arizona State football team. Nixon, now 25, last night scored one of the Sun Devils' record-tying four defensive touchdowns in a 34-9 victory over UCLA.

According to this Jeff Metcalfe story in the Republic, Nixon got a $1 million signing bonus from the Dodgers that lured him away from ... UCLA. Nixon was a third-round pick in the 2002 draft, chosen 420 players ahead of Russell Martin (as this year-old recap of the 2002 draft by Diamond Leung of the Press-Enterprise indicates).

Here's an excerpt from a 2002 Scout.com brief on Nixon:

Nixon told AZCentral.com that he made the decision to give up his football scholarship with no regrets. "I'll miss it, but I'm not going to look back at all," he said. "I made my decision. If I have a bad game, I'm not going to think maybe I should be playing football. It won't be like that."

Sometimes, regrets are for the best.

* * *

Angel Berroa is a candidate for Oddity of the Year honors. (Thanks to Dodger Thoughts commenter D4P for the link.)

* * *

Branch Rickey with his grandson in Vero Beach, 1948. All three of today's photos are from the Life magazine online archive and were taken by George Silk.

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Comments (324)
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2008-11-29 08:30:47
1.   Bob Timmermann
If I heard Sean McDonough correctly last night, he said Nixon's problem in the minors was that he was poor defensively.

But he didn't appear to be hitting the cover off the ball:
http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=10499

2008-11-29 09:40:06
2.   Tripon
http://sportsblogs.latimes.com/sports_baseball_dodgers/2008/11/the-morning-aft.html#more

Brian Kamenetzky responds to the latest Dodgers comments with an eloquent response.

2008-11-29 11:12:33
3.   Strike4
Jim Healy would have been a happy man after reading the following quote in today's Times. Jimmy Clausen, on the Notre Dame football team performance this year, "We've been consistent here and there."
2008-11-29 11:19:29
4.   Bob Timmermann
3
That LA Times article was written by a former Times intern who writes for the Notre Dame student paper.

I guess having a Chicago Tribune reporter cover it would have cost too much.

2008-11-29 11:54:37
5.   Eric Enders
Before clicking on the link I assumed the oddity was simply Angel Berroa making it back to the majors and holding down a job. I'd forgotten about the ball-in-the-shirt trick.
2008-11-29 12:06:12
6.   Tripon
Is Berroa banking on the Dodgers bringing him back?
2008-11-29 12:11:55
7.   Bob Timmermann
The American banking system is more secure than Angel Berroa banking on anything.
2008-11-29 12:16:31
8.   68elcamino427
Reelly enjoy going through those Life archives. One of my favorite shots is one of Roseboro looking at Campy while listening intenly. The intensity in John's eyes is telling.
2008-11-29 12:24:34
9.   D4P
Berroa's hoping to get bailed out again by the Ned.
2008-11-29 12:44:58
10.   Bob Timmermann
I'm guessing today Eric Enders is a big Baylor fan. Eric Stephen is rooting for Oregon. I'm just rooting for chaos.
2008-11-29 12:48:12
11.   D4P
To which bowl is the 4th place Pac-10 team likely to be invited?
2008-11-29 12:50:27
12.   Tripon
11 Sun Bowl? If you think both Oregon St. and USC are going to BCS bowls.
2008-11-29 12:50:46
13.   Bob Timmermann
If both USC and OSU are in the BCS, then the 4th place team would go to El Paso for the Sun Bowl.

But bowls can trade teams around.

It's not really "4th place team", but rather "fourth pick."

2008-11-29 12:56:45
14.   Tripon
Would you rather go to the Holiday Bowl, or the Sun Bowl?
2008-11-29 12:57:32
15.   Bob Timmermann
With all due respect to Mr. Enders, nobody wants to go to El Paso.
2008-11-29 13:08:52
16.   D4P
Yeah. They didn't call it "El Stayo", or "El Hangaroundo".
2008-11-29 13:08:53
17.   Gagne55
So if Oklahoma and Texas Tech both win, who wins the division. H2H is tied in that situation. Does it go by W% of conference opponents?
2008-11-29 13:18:19
18.   Gagne55
Comparing schedules, Texas Tech and Oklahoma had the same conference schedule. Texas played Colorado and Missouri instead of Kansas St. and Nebraska.
2008-11-29 13:19:41
19.   Gagne55
Colorado and Kansas St. have the same conference record. Missouri and Nebraska have the same conference record.
2008-11-29 13:34:53
20.   Bob Timmermann
17
The tiebreaker is higher ranking in the BCS.
2008-11-29 13:38:17
21.   trainwreck
UCLA's futility even makes it on DT.
2008-11-29 13:42:46
22.   Bob Timmermann
I found the UCLA-ASU game somewhat humorous after a while.
2008-11-29 13:49:11
23.   bhsportsguy
Baylor's place kicker is on Eric's list.
2008-11-29 13:50:38
24.   Bob Timmermann
There's no renegade feed of the Baylor-TTU game.
2008-11-29 13:51:32
25.   bhsportsguy
21 The sad reality is that the best UCLA QB on the field next week maybe Rick Neuheisal.
2008-11-29 13:55:10
26.   Eric Stephen
I can't remember the last time USC was on ESPN. It may have been the game at Nebraska a few years back. Either that or the game at BYU in 2005.
2008-11-29 13:56:41
27.   trainwreck
25
Rick's plan to have all the recruits come for USC weekend is going to be a very bad mistake.
2008-11-29 13:57:55
28.   Eric Stephen
I wonder if Plaxico Burress secured a guest appearance on the next season of CBS's "Worst Week."
2008-11-29 13:58:10
29.   oshea2002
26 - Oregon State this year, ASU last year.

FSU is so inept on offense, it's making me sick. Whatever slim BCS hopes we have are washing away in the Florida rain. Ponder is terrible.

2008-11-29 13:58:15
30.   Bob Timmermann
27
Sort of like trying to recruit guys for the Army by offering them a trip to Baghdad.
2008-11-29 13:59:20
31.   Bob Timmermann
29
C'mon you saw Kevin Craft play last night!
2008-11-29 14:00:45
32.   oshea2002
31 - I'm not sure who the worst QB is in D-1. Craft, Jarrett Lee at LSU, and Chris Smelley at S. Carolina are all in the discussion.
2008-11-29 14:02:12
33.   Eric Stephen
29
See how successfully I've blocked out the OSU game? :)

I was thinking the thanksgiving ASU game was ABC but I think you're right.

2008-11-29 14:10:04
34.   bhsportsguy
30 Actually, I don't think it matters, there was not a recruiting bonus when UCLA won in 2006. And most recruiting experts say that 18 year olds always think that they can change things once they arrive at college.
2008-11-29 14:11:17
35.   oshea2002
With UF up big (I would like to point out that with UGA going down, UF hasn't beaten anyone of relevance this year), the path to the NC will have to go through the Big 12. If Baylor can hang on here v. Texas Tech, it's a start. I hate Mizzou's chances v. Texas though.
2008-11-29 14:12:01
36.   trainwreck
34
The bonus came in the following class. All those guys committed early.
2008-11-29 14:12:51
37.   trainwreck
35
I have been saying that about Alabama all year and I said their best win would mean less when GT beats Georgia.

Down with the SEC!

2008-11-29 14:13:46
38.   68elcamino427
Since the days of Red at UCLA has there been ever been a bigger gap between USC and UCLA on the football field?

Would it require a real miracle for UCLA to beat USC in the football game this year?

Ring "The Bell"!

2008-11-29 14:16:36
39.   Bob Timmermann
32
Ronnie Fouch and Kevin Lopina make those guys look Joe Montana clones.
2008-11-29 14:24:22
40.   D4P
Joe Montana clones

White guys who can neither run nor throw...?

2008-11-29 14:24:39
41.   Bob Timmermann
An unranked UCLA team has only defeated a USC team in the top 5 twice: 1959 and 2006. Both were low-scoring games, 10-3 and 13-9.

UCLA would need another game with a score like that to have a prayer. However, the 1959 and 2006 Bruins were a lot better than this year's squad.

2008-11-29 14:25:06
42.   oshea2002
Recruiting also follows on field results in the next class.
2008-11-29 14:25:21
43.   oshea2002
meant always, not also.
2008-11-29 14:35:32
44.   oshea2002
41 - This is the first time I can ever remember thinking we have no chance of losing either of the ND or UCLA games. ND has some talent, but they are so poorly coached.
2008-11-29 14:40:16
45.   oshea2002
Baylor now up 28-14 on Texas Tech in the 3rd, so much for the last week an the 9,000 three-way tie arguments.
2008-11-29 14:44:37
46.   trainwreck
The best scenario that could happen to UCLA is if Weis is fired and Carroll goes to coach the Niners.
2008-11-29 14:53:02
47.   oshea2002
46 - and then to replace Carroll, we hire Weis.
2008-11-29 15:02:19
48.   Indiana Jon
30 That actually works. Army and National Guard recruiting has actually been up in recent years, with both services exceeding recruiting goals. There are still patriotic people in this country.
2008-11-29 15:03:54
49.   Benjamin Miracord
Has Rosenthal reported that the Padres are close to trading Peavy straight up for Jered Weaver of the Angels? Someone told me that at a football game last night.

Has anyone at DT wished our esteemed announcer a happy 81st birthday? Happy birthday, Vin Scully, if you're reading this. (Happy birthday even if you are not.)

2008-11-29 15:15:43
50.   Bob Timmermann
48
So people are joining the Army instead of playing the O-line for UCLA?

I knew it!

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2008-11-29 15:49:39
51.   Bob Timmermann
Texas fans now need to root for Oklahoma and then Missouri.
2008-11-29 16:02:45
52.   Eric Enders
51 No way. We root for Oklahoma State. An Okie St. win would send Texas Tech to the Big 12 championship but the Longhorns to the national championship game.
2008-11-29 16:03:51
53.   oshea2002
Well, lets go Beavers!

I think Texas' better shot is OU loses, then Tech loses to Mizzou. I think that still gets them in, especially if Oregon wins. Missouri is simply not capable of beating OU, so I think Texas needs to cheer for something else.

2008-11-29 16:05:17
54.   Eric Enders
53 The beauty of it is that if OU loses, the Big 12 championship game becomes meaningless. Tech could beat Mizzou and it still wouldn't matter; the Longhorns would be in.
2008-11-29 16:08:31
55.   bhsportsguy
Well we now know that whomever wins the SEC championship will be part of the BCS title game.

Missouri's loss at home does not bode well for whomever they play in the Big 12 title game and probably whatever Big 12 team that does not go to the title game will still be ranked ahead of USC so even if Missouri wins the automatic berth, the other one loss team will go ahead of USC.

2008-11-29 16:09:56
56.   bhsportsguy
53 There's a good shot that Utah could move ahead of USC in the BCS standings this week.
2008-11-29 16:10:49
57.   Samhain
27
According to some at BRO, Neuheisel/Chow are trying to sell recruits on the idea that they will play as true freshman if they are good; in that context being helpless against USC is theoretically not a bad thing.

The problem is that not many kids may buy into that. Or to a secondary selling point of an invitation to be part of turning the program around.
I might commit for immediate playing time as a recruit, but not being part of righting the ship...

2008-11-29 16:11:05
58.   oshea2002
54 - I think most likely they probably would be then. I'm not 100% sure though, alot could change, especially if USC and Tech both win their conferences. As other teams lose, computer advantages that Texas has will narrow. I think what would help Texas is that certain people will want Texas #2, while others will say it should be Tech or USC, a conf champ. But if they both win, they may split votes. I think an Oregon win here and a Tech loss to Mizzou would seal it for Texas though. This conference champ argument won't apply to Penn State since everyone hates the Big 10.
2008-11-29 16:11:50
59.   Eric Enders
55 Do we? There is still a scenario where Florida wins the SEC and the NCG is OU vs. Texas.
2008-11-29 16:13:45
60.   oshea2002
55/56 - USC has been hurt in the computers v. Utah and the Big 10 teams b/c they've only played 10 games. Right now they have 3 less wins then Utah. That will flip after next weekend. Also, the loser of Bama / UF is likely to fall behind USC, but still above Utah.
2008-11-29 16:15:53
61.   oshea2002
59 - the voters will never allow that. Florida will be the #1 team in both polls after they beat Bama next week, and while the Big 12 teams have computers advantages that I guess whoever is #2 in the polls could pass UF, whoever is #3 certainly won't. I saw that article, but once Bama and UF both won huge today, that scenario I think went out the window.
2008-11-29 16:16:40
62.   Bob Timmermann
To be precise, Missouri didn't lose at home. The Border No Longer a War Football Game is played at Arrowhead Stadium in Kansas City.
2008-11-29 16:19:40
63.   oshea2002
I think the bottom line for Texas is that Mizzou simply has no chance v. OU. If OU is gonna lose before their bowl game, it will only be tonight. So therefore I think they need the Pokes to pull it off tonight.
2008-11-29 16:20:42
64.   Jon Weisman
49 - Last year I did. I missed it this year. It's Ross' birthday too.
2008-11-29 16:31:50
65.   trainwreck
Alright, time for some basketball.

Forget this football stuff. Not our forte.

2008-11-29 16:43:19
66.   Bob Timmermann
Oregon State really likes running the fly sweep. Or else the Versus guys just like saying "fly sweep."
2008-11-29 16:53:30
67.   oshea2002
66 - w/o Quizz they are gonna run that all night.
2008-11-29 16:56:56
68.   Marty
My guess is USC doesn't cover tonight.
2008-11-29 17:00:11
69.   Indiana Jon
63 While I would agree with you that Missouri has no chance against Oklahoma, others here will correct you and say that in a game with any two teams from major conferences, there is a 1 in 40 chance of the bad team winning. With Missouri somehow ranked, they claim that it's a much higher probability.
2008-11-29 17:02:57
70.   Indiana Jon
Notre Dame looks real good so far tonight. That may change after kick off though.
2008-11-29 17:04:41
71.   Bob Timmermann
"A rare miss for Justin Kahut..."

He was 14 of 20 on field goals and had missed a PAT the week before.

2008-11-29 17:07:54
72.   D4P
It's just not right that Duck fans have to prefer finishing behind USC rather than tied with them.
2008-11-29 17:08:03
73.   Indiana Jon
I just heard the story of how Texas Tech found their kicker. What a great story.
2008-11-29 17:09:28
74.   Bob Timmermann
Clausen has set the standard for Craft next week on how soon to get picked off.
2008-11-29 17:10:44
75.   Bob Timmermann
I'm officially jumping off the Oregon State bandwagon.

So long and thanks for playing OSU.

2008-11-29 17:17:46
76.   Bob Timmermann
Mike Bellotti seems shocked that his kicker could get called for a horse collar tackle.
2008-11-29 17:18:13
77.   D4P
ESPN Gamecast is telling me that Mark Sanchez completed a pass for 4813 yards to Damian Williams for a touchdown.
2008-11-29 17:21:37
78.   D4P
ESPN Gamecast is also reporting the following:

Matt Evensen kickoff for 59 yards returned by James Rodgers for a loss of 460 yards to the Oregn (sic) 30. Oregon penalty 515 yard personal foul accepted.

2008-11-29 17:30:43
79.   trainwreck
Which brand has the best reputation for making good LCD TVs?
2008-11-29 17:33:57
80.   D4P
Oregon with a mere 359 yards of total offense in the first half.
2008-11-29 17:34:36
81.   preacherroe
Let me shill for the SEC. I hate Alabama with a passion ,being an Auburn fan(said with a paper bag over my head). I expect Florida to beat down the Tide and play in and likely win the NC game. On the other hand if Alabama beats Florida, I have to admit they're for real and have a chance at capturing the old Bama magic.
2008-11-29 17:34:57
82.   Bob Timmermann
Yahoo gives Oregon 358 yards.
2008-11-29 17:36:54
83.   Bob Timmermann
Could be a bad day for orange-hued OSUs.
2008-11-29 17:40:19
84.   Bob Timmermann
Sanchez completed two consecutive passes that netted -15?
2008-11-29 17:43:37
85.   D4P
Oregon sure can run the football
2008-11-29 17:43:59
86.   D4P
Now at 445 yards of total offense, in the first half.
2008-11-29 17:46:12
87.   Bob Timmermann
The good people of Corvallis will love spending the holidays in San Diego.

And now we'll get to see Ohio State in a BCS bowl! Woo hoo!

2008-11-29 17:49:06
88.   Bob Timmermann
I don't think Mike Riley has a decided schematic advantage.
2008-11-29 17:49:24
89.   D4P
I stepped away briefly when the Ducks took a 30-10 lead, and came back to a 37-10 lead.
2008-11-29 17:49:57
90.   Bob Timmermann
37-17.
2008-11-29 17:51:23
91.   Andrew Shimmin
I'm prepared to project that USC will win this football game.
2008-11-29 17:52:06
92.   D4P
I stepped away briefly when the Ducks took a 37-10 lead, and came back to a 37-17 lead.
2008-11-29 17:53:12
93.   D4P
The good people of Corvallis will love spending the holidays in San Diego

Don't the good people of Eugene get the Holiday Bowl...?

2008-11-29 17:57:09
94.   Bob Timmermann
It depends if the Sun Bowl doesn't want to have Oregon come two years in a row.

Or if UCLA doesn't beat USC.

You can stop laughing now.

2008-11-29 17:59:00
95.   Icaros
Golden State Warriors score 64 first-half points against the Knicks, and give up 82, a Madison Square Garden record.
2008-11-29 18:00:33
96.   Jon Weisman
It was looking good for a while, but it now appears that UCLA will allow more than 30 points for the second straight night.
2008-11-29 18:00:35
97.   Andrew Shimmin
Notre Dame's lineman tried to do the thing he saw BC's guy do this afternoon, hurdling an offensive lineman.

Didn't work.

2008-11-29 18:00:47
98.   Bob Timmermann
At least one of the orange OSUs is playing well today. One of them appears to have a defense.
2008-11-29 18:06:49
99.   Andrew Shimmin
I think this is the first SC game I've watched this year. Their defense is really fast.
2008-11-29 18:09:28
100.   Andrew Shimmin
Their punt returner is pretty fast, too.
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2008-11-29 18:09:35
101.   Tripon
Jimmy Clausen can't be this bad right?

What the heck,

2008-11-29 18:18:07
102.   oshea2002
Jimmy should feign injury at half to avoid having to go back out there.
2008-11-29 18:23:35
103.   Tripon
Norte Dame are 30 points underdogs.

I do not think they will cover.

2008-11-29 18:28:58
104.   das411
...my brother, a dude who saw the last Batman movie eight times, just completely slept through "Quantum of Solace".

and still understood more of the plot than i did :\

2008-11-29 18:34:14
105.   DBrim
OK / OK State is pretty good so far. Not sure how long OK State will last, though, because their offensive line didn't look very good during that last series.
2008-11-29 18:50:50
106.   oshea2002
compelling subplot now in our massacre of ND - will the Irish get a first down?
2008-11-29 18:51:07
107.   Bob Timmermann
Oregon State completed a bounce pass!
2008-11-29 18:51:52
108.   Bob Timmermann
I would have to think that USC will eventually be called for pass interference or a personal foul.
2008-11-29 18:53:51
109.   oshea2002
108 - with the way this season has gone, a personal foul for sure.
2008-11-29 18:58:52
110.   Bob Timmermann
The Civil War is stereotypically Pac-10. Lots of points, lots of penalties, completed bounce basses.
2008-11-29 19:20:18
111.   Andrew Shimmin
First down Irish. The tide is turning. . .
2008-11-29 19:24:38
112.   KG16
87 - do we really need The Ohio State in a bowl game? Can't we have Boise St and Utah in BCS games? I mean it's not like the Big Ten deserves two BCS berths?
2008-11-29 19:25:26
113.   DBrim
Oklahoma State sure lost the momentum in a hurry.
2008-11-29 19:27:52
114.   Bob Timmermann
112
There are many more Benjamins to be had from the good people of Columbus than the good people of Boise.
2008-11-29 19:29:02
115.   Bob Timmermann
113
They needed a J. Walter Weatherman to teach them a lesson about why you shouldn't go for 2 in the third quarter.
2008-11-29 19:29:55
116.   Andrew Shimmin
Notre Dame has scored. This is potentially game-changing.
2008-11-29 19:33:07
117.   Bob Timmermann
Don't go for two, Oklahoma State.
2008-11-29 19:36:14
118.   KG16
114 - but do we really need to watch Ohio State get blown out again in a bowl game?
2008-11-29 19:36:56
119.   NWdodger
Oregon State rushing yards: 106
Oregon penalty yards: 108
2008-11-29 19:39:04
120.   Gagne55
Oregon has put up a 65 spot. Wow.
2008-11-29 19:39:14
121.   D4P
Rats. Oregon just returned another interception for a touchdown. They need 4 yards for 700 total offense. Don't intercept! Make the Beavers punt!
2008-11-29 19:39:23
122.   Bob Timmermann
118
Ohio State vs. Cincinnati in the Fiesta Bowl!

Jerry Lucas vs. Paul Hogue!

2008-11-29 19:41:05
123.   Bob Timmermann
So will Oregon score 75 or 85 in their bowl game?

Their last three games have been 35, 55, and 65.

2008-11-29 19:41:44
124.   NWdodger
121 Patience, there is still 2:40 left. At the end of the first half that was enough time to score three times.
2008-11-29 19:43:02
125.   D4P
Oregon has scored a lot of points this year for a team guided by the 3rd string QB.
2008-11-29 19:44:41
126.   Andrew Shimmin
I hope Oregon takes a knee the rest of the way. For spite.
2008-11-29 19:45:20
127.   NWdodger
I think they lost one on that carry. 5 more yards to go!
2008-11-29 19:45:21
128.   Bob Timmermann
125
Except in road games in the state of California.
2008-11-29 19:46:08
129.   Andrew Shimmin
This works too.
2008-11-29 19:47:22
130.   D4P
128
Yes, with that glaring exception.
2008-11-29 19:48:50
131.   D4P
Was 700 yards in offense really that much to ask for?
2008-11-29 19:51:12
132.   Bob Timmermann
Will UCLA be able to get more offense than Notre Dame will get tonight?
2008-11-29 19:53:35
133.   Andrew Shimmin
UCLA will beat SC next week.

Book it.

2008-11-29 19:53:45
134.   D4P
132
Qual es mas schematically advantageous: Sr. Weis o Sr. Neuheisel?
2008-11-29 19:56:11
135.   Andrew Shimmin
There's Bob's personal foul.
2008-11-29 19:56:26
136.   Bob Timmermann
134
You need to work on your mock Spanish.

It should be "Quien es mas schematically advantageous?"

2008-11-29 19:57:22
137.   Andrew Shimmin
And another.
2008-11-29 19:57:37
138.   Bob Timmermann
135
I'm so going to be waiting for that next Saturday.

I hope USC gets one in the first half to end the suspense.

2008-11-29 19:58:54
139.   Bob Timmermann
I'm feeling the need to accidentally shoot an NFL receiver now.
2008-11-29 19:59:01
140.   Jon Weisman
College football ejections? Pretty rare, no?
2008-11-29 19:59:14
141.   Andrew Shimmin
If you're going to wrestle a guy to the ground like that, and get thrown out for it, you should at least try to stomp on his fingers a little.
2008-11-29 20:01:02
142.   bhsportsguy
Not saying that Brent isn't going to be right but USC has not won the Pac 10 title yet.
2008-11-29 20:01:08
143.   oshea2002
133 - are we playing them in another sport next week I'm not aware of?
2008-11-29 20:03:04
144.   DBrim
That's why you go for two during the 4th quarter.
2008-11-29 20:03:51
145.   Andrew Shimmin
Finally BH and I agree on something. I always feel bad when that goes too long without happening. Does beating USC get them into a bowl game?
2008-11-29 20:04:26
146.   Bob Timmermann
USC beat UCLA in men's water polo, but UCLA won in women's volleyball.

The schools only meet in football next week.

2008-11-29 20:04:52
147.   Jon Weisman
UCLA, trying to get the last slot in the NCAA women's soccer final four has a 3-1 lead at the 45-minute mark vs. Duke. Notre Dame, Stanford and North Carolina are in.

http://www.ncaa.com/brackets/2008/ncaa_bracket_DI_soccer_women.html

2008-11-29 20:05:26
148.   Bob Timmermann
If UCLA beats USC, they get hearty handshakes from Mike Riley and that's it.

And then I go off looking for a pale horse in the sky.

2008-11-29 20:06:21
149.   Jon Weisman
If it's a UCLA-Stanford final, Dodger Thoughts will actually offer a thread December 7.
2008-11-29 20:07:24
150.   Bob Timmermann
Stanford's only loss this season has been to UCLA.
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2008-11-29 20:07:25
151.   D4P
147
Wow. Duke made the Elite Eight? Good for them. We went to the UNC-Duke game in October, which UNC won by a lot.
2008-11-29 20:08:00
152.   Bob Timmermann
The UCLA women's soccer team is the Buffalo Bulls of the sport.
2008-11-29 20:08:23
153.   Gagne55
And Marty is incorrect in saying that USC would not cover tonight.
2008-11-29 20:08:27
154.   Jon Weisman
150 - I would have known that if all my knowledge about 2008 NCAA women's soccer had been acquired in more than three minutes of study.
2008-11-29 20:09:09
155.   Bob Timmermann
96 yards will be the mark UCLA has to top next week at the Rose Bowl.
2008-11-29 20:09:21
156.   D4P
UNC's only loss this season has been to Notre Dame.
2008-11-29 20:10:10
157.   bhsportsguy
If they can have a playoff in women's soccer than why can they in Division 1 football?
2008-11-29 20:10:45
158.   Bob Timmermann
And Notre Dame has no losses or ties.

But back in the game of pointy football, where is the defense in the Big XII?

2008-11-29 20:10:59
159.   D4P
The UNC women's soccer team is the UNC women's soccer team of the sport.
2008-11-29 20:11:22
160.   Bob Timmermann
157
Because I love to go to events like the Poinsettia Bowl!
2008-11-29 20:11:40
161.   bhsportsguy
If UCLA beats Duke they will play North Carolina in North Carolina next weekend. Notre Dame will play Stanford.
2008-11-29 20:11:55
162.   oshea2002
Oklahoma has gotten really lucky tonight.
2008-11-29 20:12:40
163.   oshea2002
158 - these qb's are good no doubt, but the secondaries are so bad that Craft would put up like 250 and 3 TD's. .
2008-11-29 20:13:15
164.   bhsportsguy
Garrett Anderson was at the UCLA basketball game this afternoon, I do not know if he stuck around for the soccer game.
2008-11-29 20:13:58
165.   oshea2002
Wow, Okie State answered quick. What a game?
2008-11-29 20:14:06
166.   DBrim
Not that the special teams are much better.
2008-11-29 20:15:31
167.   D4P
Does anyone remember the "Wedgie Fever" skit on SNL and the way Jon Luvitz said "Oklahoma"? I loved that.
2008-11-29 20:17:35
168.   Bob Timmermann
Remember that the Big XII O vs OS game is "wild and fun." But the Pac-10 version will be considered a "travesty."
2008-11-29 20:20:09
169.   Jon Weisman
168 - Out of curiosity, do you know the highest combined-score game in Pac-10/Pac-8 etc. history?
2008-11-29 20:21:14
170.   Gagne55
And Oklahoma comes right back.
2008-11-29 20:21:56
171.   DBrim
That botched 2 point conversion is hurting a lot right now.
2008-11-29 20:22:32
172.   Bob Timmermann
I've already found another 103 point game.
Cal 54, Washington 49 in 1973.
2008-11-29 20:23:38
173.   Bob Timmermann
USC 70, Washington State 33 in 1970.
2008-11-29 20:23:44
174.   Jon Weisman
I believe I attended a 54-44 Stanford-Oregon game at my five-year reunion, in 1994. Something like that.
2008-11-29 20:24:12
175.   Gagne55
169 I just looked up Pac-8 since that comment is the first place I'd seen it. Turns out that the Pac-8 is a hockey conference with the Pac-10 minus Oregon State and Arizona.
2008-11-29 20:25:59
176.   DBrim
Actual defense! Amazing.
2008-11-29 20:26:01
177.   oshea2002
OU really needs to stop playing that song after every single play from scrimmage.
2008-11-29 20:26:04
178.   Bob Timmermann
Ahh, a new leader in the clubhouse
Stanford 58, Oregon 49 in 1997.
107 points.
2008-11-29 20:26:59
179.   Jon Weisman
178 - Well, I wasn't at that game!
2008-11-29 20:27:13
180.   Bob Timmermann
Cal beat Arizona 56-55 in a lot of overtimes in 1996.
2008-11-29 20:28:19
181.   Jon Weisman
Or maybe I was but it wasn't my reunion.
2008-11-29 20:30:29
182.   Bob Timmermann
The game was played on September 27, 1997.

Surprisingly, the 65 points Oregon State gave up was a school record. I would have thought a historically bad program like that would have had some big losses.

2008-11-29 20:32:20
183.   bhsportsguy
178 I think that is it, I am looking at the Pac-10 2008 media guide and the 108 total points in a conference game is the leader.

Most points by a Pac-10 team in a game is 127, California beat St. Marys 127-0 in 1920. UCLA has all-time record for most points allowed in a game, they lost 82-0 to Stanford in 1925.

2008-11-29 20:35:38
184.   Bob Timmermann
From the LA Times:
Chad Hutchinson threw four touchdown passes, three in a six-minute span of the first quarter, as No. 20 Stanford defeated Oregon 58-49 in a record-setting shootout Saturday night at Stanford.

Hutchinson had scoring passes of 31 and 23 yards to Troy Walters, 80 yards to Damon Dunn and 9 yards to Jon Ritchie. Anthony Bookman had a 67-yard scoring run, Mike Mitchell scored on a 3-yard run, Kevin Miller added a pair of 33-yard field goals and the Cardinal got a late safety.

Hutchinson, who went 21-of-31 for 340 yards, threw for 246 yards and four touchdowns in the first half. He had just three scoring passes in three previous games this season for the Cardinal (3-1 overall, 2-0 Pac-10).

Jason Maas had five scoring passes for Oregon (3-1, 1-1), which had a six-game winning streak snapped. Maas had touchdown strikes of 66 and 47 yards to Pat Johnson, 4 yards to LaCorey Collins, 4 yards to Tony Hartley and 3 yards to A.J. Jelks.

Akili Smith, who shares the quarterback spot with Maas, had a 35-yard scoring pass to Kevin Parker.

The 107 points by the two teams set a Stanford record. Troy Walters had 13 catches for 169 yards, falling one reception short of the Cardinal record.

2008-11-29 20:36:49
185.   bhsportsguy
183 Sorry, 107 points.

Most points scored in a conference game is 76, USC beat UCLA 76-0 in 1920.

I guess UCLA/Stanford game I mentioned above was not a conference game back in 1925.

2008-11-29 20:38:38
186.   Gagne55
The other OU-OSU matchup might go over 100 as well.
2008-11-29 20:39:49
187.   Jon Weisman
184 - So you're saying the story doesn't mention me.
2008-11-29 20:40:13
188.   Bob Timmermann
USC beat UCLA 76-0 in 1929. Just about a week before my mom was born.
2008-11-29 20:41:16
189.   Bob Timmermann
187
Sorry. Blame the AP.

Stanford won its next game against Notre Dame and then lost five straight before winning Big Game to finish 5-6.

2008-11-29 20:41:47
190.   Gagne55
or not
2008-11-29 20:42:59
191.   Gagne55
Or not not
2008-11-29 20:43:07
192.   Jon Weisman
I'm not sure why Oklahoma wasn't taking a knee there, but I guess they knew.
2008-11-29 20:43:07
193.   DBrim
There's the style points. Or whatever.
2008-11-29 20:43:39
194.   Bob Timmermann
I do not believe that Oklahoma would get more than 28 points if they played USC.
2008-11-29 20:44:20
195.   Bob Timmermann
Chad Bradford is the second coming of Jason White!
2008-11-29 20:46:47
196.   Bob Timmermann
UCLA leads Duke 6-1 in the second half and are primed for yet another Women's Collegiate Cup meltdown!

Jillian Ellis is the Marv Levy of collegiate women's soccer.

2008-11-29 20:47:45
197.   Gagne55
195 The submarine reliever on the Rays?
2008-11-29 20:49:46
198.   Bob Timmermann
197
It's a baseball blog. Trying to keep it relevant.
2008-11-29 21:06:50
199.   oshea2002
Gammons is saying the Mets think they can get K-Rod for 3 years b/c no one else wants him.
2008-11-29 21:25:08
200.   Linkmeister
Hawai'i 17-3 over Wazoo at halftime.

(Bob, you can stream it here: http://www.espn1420am.com/?id=66)

Heh.

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2008-11-29 21:33:32
201.   Gagne55
200 Too bad Wazoo sucks this year. Seriously, their only wins have been against a mediocre FCS school and the worst FBS school there is.
2008-11-29 21:37:49
202.   Linkmeister
201 The game is only important because UH has to meet a 7-win requirement to play in the Sheraton Hawai'i Bowl on Christmas Eve, and they're at 6-5 right now. They've got Big East champ and top 20 team Cincinnati next week, so that would be a large hill to climb.
2008-11-29 21:48:39
203.   oshea2002
202 - Not a bad last two games for Cincinnati - at Hawaii and the Orange Bowl in Miami.
2008-11-29 21:53:08
204.   Xeifrank
BCS
–noun 1. A large tangled mess;
2. Any mess regarding college football;
3. A system in which logic is absent from.
4. A group or a system at which obscenities are thrown at.
5. A system used to organize and plan parades.
2008-11-29 22:24:07
205.   Linkmeister
The Hawai'i Bowl prays that UH can meet the wins requirement; if they can't get UH the projected attendance drops like a rock. Now they're praying that enough Pac-10 teams get bowl-eligible, since they're supposed to get either the 5th or 6th team from that conference. Looks like it might be ASU (boo!) or UofA, which would please me, as a former student there.

Oh, 24-10 UH with a few minutes left in the 3rd.

2008-11-29 22:41:50
206.   Bob Timmermann
I believe the BCS exists to get xeifrank angry.

It's one of the rules toward the back.

2008-11-29 23:06:30
207.   underdog
Did I miss the decree from the NCAA abolishing defense this season? (Exception made for UCLA opponents.) Ay caramba.
2008-11-29 23:08:07
208.   underdog
Btw, here's a smalltown newspaper that could use a copy editor:

>>The Twins have shown interest in trading for Los Angeles Dodgers' veteran third baseman, Casey Blake. Picking up Blake might mean another year for Harris in a utility role. If the Twins don't make a blockbuster trade, Harris and Brian Buscher will likely platoon at third.<<

http://www.poststar.com/articles/2008/11/30/sports/today/14152153.txt

2008-11-30 02:34:55
209.   bhsportsguy
So next year, there will be two games at the Rose Bowl, the Rose Bowl and then a week later, the BCS Title game.

My projected BCS Bowl projections.

Rose - USC v. Penn State (Pac-10 v. Big 10)
Orange - Boston College/Va. Tech v. Cincinnati (ACC vs. Big East)
Sugar - Alabama v. Ohio State (At large v. At large)
Fiesta - Texas v. Utah (At large v. At large)
BCS Title - Florida v. Oklahoma

2008-11-30 05:59:59
210.   D4P
This from Oregon receiver, Jaison Williams:

"To go out and ruin somebody's dreams like that, it feels real good."

2008-11-30 07:38:04
211.   Gen3Blue
And from Madden:

Leftovers anyone? Fortunately, baseball once again had a plentiful supply of turkeys this season. Here's our annual Daily News top 10, completely basted.

http://tinyurl.com/5qv26y

I'm an old dog trying to learn new tricks in case this doesn't work.

2008-11-30 08:14:20
212.   Ken Noe
Robothal: Dodgers wanted Wilson and a big chunk of his salary for Hu and Pee Wee. The deal broke down when the Pirates asked for Dodger #3, the more money, the better the player. So no Santana deal, at least, but more evidence that the team is strapped moneywise, I think.

http://tinyurl.com/6fr7qm

Hokie Hi! But Auburn, {shudder}.

2008-11-30 08:18:15
213.   D4P
212
The Dodgers believe that Wilson isn't strong enough offensively to justify his $7.25 million salary

I guess $9 and $18 million salaries don't require offensive production.

2008-11-30 08:22:58
214.   D4P
BTW: I wonder how the McCourts are feeling these days about paying Joe Torre $4 million a year.
2008-11-30 09:29:08
215.   Icaros
214

Could've been 4 Little League fields...

2008-11-30 09:37:58
216.   Claire Malone-Evans
214 215 Oh,whoa,whoa Jamie's cryin'
2008-11-30 10:37:25
217.   MC Safety
Zak,

What a win for the Gunners today. Greg Brock and schoffle ought to be pleased with the result, too, as this should put Liverpool at the top of the table. How bout that Van Persie? Chelsea hadn't conceded a second half goal at Stamford Bridge all year until RVP's double. The Gunners aren't out of this thing yet.

2008-11-30 11:04:22
218.   D4P
I see that Oklahoma St. has played 4 games this season against teams ranked in the top 3.

Has that ever happened before?

2008-11-30 11:26:46
219.   Bob Timmermann
Notre Dame played three teams ranked 1-3 in 1956.

And went 2-8.

And in 1943, Notre Dame played the #2 and #3 teams twice each. It was four different teams.
The Irish were 9-1 that year.

I would think Army might have had a few years like that too.

2008-11-30 11:39:40
220.   Bob Timmermann
Not that I could find an instance of USC playing three teams in the top 3 (the closest was in 1954 when the Trojans finished up against #2 UCLA, #4 Notre Dame, and #1 Ohio State and lost all three), but...

When Frank Gifford kicked a field goal in a game at Cal in 1949, it was the first successful field goal for the Trojans since 1935.

2008-11-30 11:42:07
221.   D4P
it was the first successful field goal for the Trojans since 1935

How many failed attempts were there in that span?

2008-11-30 11:46:47
222.   Bob Timmermann
221
I do not have such information. It's likely nobody kept track.

USC still had a lot of totals that weren't multiples of 7 so they missed a bunch of PATs too.

Frank Gifford was the kicker who ended the drought with a 22-yard field goal at Berkeley. Cal returned the ensuing kickoff for a TD that provided a lead that the Golden Bears did not relinquish.

2008-11-30 11:53:09
223.   Bob Timmermann
USC's team records go back only to 1948. But until the early 1980s, USC didn't make many field goals. Either the team was good enough that they scored touchdowns or the kicker stunk.

Making a lot of field goals is usually not the sign of a good offense.

2008-11-30 12:00:44
224.   D4P
Making a lot of field goals is usually not the sign of a good offense

Unless your the Mike Martz Rams, and are great between the 20s and horrendous inside them.

2008-11-30 12:42:11
225.   old dodger fan
212 Hokies need to keep Tyrod on the field. Did you see his 73 yard run? Wow.
2008-11-30 12:51:53
226.   Ken Noe
255 Best game this year for him. With an OC other than Stiney, we blow UVa out.
2008-11-30 12:52:54
227.   Ken Noe
225 226 Uh, I meant 225 . I really can't see into the future. Fun for post 255 though.
2008-11-30 13:19:42
228.   Ken Arneson
OK, so I'm looking out on the bay, and there are these people paddling along with long paddles while standing straight up on what looks like a hybrid between a kayak and a surfboard.

Anyone seen this kind of boat/board before? Any idea what they are called?

2008-11-30 13:23:12
229.   trainwreck
228
Like these?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSFH7NrsOCY
2008-11-30 13:25:12
230.   Gen3Blue
Don't want to violate rule 5, but aren't we against water-boarding.
2008-11-30 13:36:24
231.   bhsportsguy
I cannot remember the last time the Raider game was not showed in the LA market. Instead, the local station is showing the Broncos v. Jets.
2008-11-30 13:47:09
232.   Ken Arneson
229 Kinda, but these people were standing, not sitting, on their boat/boards.
2008-11-30 13:49:57
233.   Ken Arneson
I guess it might have been one of these, in the second half of this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-T7w7hwYJU
2008-11-30 13:50:21
234.   trainwreck
232
Other links on the side show videos of people standing.
2008-11-30 13:53:13
235.   Ken Arneson
I guess they're called "stand-up paddle boards".
2008-11-30 13:54:38
236.   Ken Arneson
...and Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand_up_paddle_surfing

2008-11-30 13:58:14
237.   trainwreck
Raiders try to get too fancy and of course it costs us. Stupid.
2008-11-30 14:05:10
238.   bhsportsguy
BCS AVG
1 Alabama .9713
2 Oklahoma .935
3 Texas .9223
4 Florida .8851
5 USC .8076

So everyone who predicted that Oklahoma would go past Texas if they won their game against Oklahoma State was correct. There is a possibility if Missouri were to beat Oklahoma that the idle Texas would pass up Oklahoma.

2008-11-30 14:08:14
239.   underdog
I discovered an illicit site where I can watch out of area NFL games so I'm able to watch the Broncos-Jets game on my computer. It's much better than going to a bar to watch it, but I also feel kind of dirty and like men in suits and dark sunglasses are gonna bust my door down any minute.
2008-11-30 14:50:43
240.   das411
Does any one else think that if the Brewers had traded those three prospects for Lidge instead of for Linebrink, they'd be the World Champions right now?
2008-11-30 15:13:04
241.   trainwreck
240
No, they still missed Sheets.
2008-11-30 15:48:26
242.   Bob Timmermann
ESPN.com projects Notre Dame to be playing in either the Poinsettia Bowl against BYU or the Hawai'i Bowl against, unsurprisingly, Hawai'i.

I can't see why Notre Dame would want to go to either of these. As all the publicity before the game would be about Weis' job status. And neither games pays out much, so Notre Dame would be lucky to clear expenses to send the team to San Diego or Honolulu.

And Notre Dame would likely lose badly to BYU, although I think they would beat Hawai'i.

2008-11-30 15:59:13
243.   Tripon
242 I would think a trip to Hawai'i would be the end goal for the visiting team in the Hawai'i bowl. As for visiting San Diego... eh.
2008-11-30 16:07:02
244.   Bob Timmermann
From what I've understood, bowl games in Hawai'i have always had a hard time getting teams to come over to play. It just costs too much and fans of the schools don't want to mess up their holiday plans to the extent that is required to go across the Pacific.
2008-11-30 18:00:28
245.   oshea2002
Plus playing your bowl game in Hawaii doesn't really indicate a season that your fans should be proud of, at least not any more.
2008-11-30 18:04:07
246.   Icaros
Brook and Robin Lopez guarding one another in Phoenix.
2008-11-30 18:08:45
247.   Bob Timmermann
This will keep Eric Enders happy at night:
From Rival.scom

Oklahoma may be fortunate to reside in the Big 12. It is one of five leagues that is broken up into divisions – and it's the only league whose tiebreaker system would've ended up with the Sooners as the division champs. Here's a look:
ACC: Texas (fifth tiebreaker)
Once a three-team tie has been reduced to two, a two-team tiebreaker is used.
Combined head-to-head (all are 1-1)
Records vs. division (all are 4-1)
Head-to-head competition vs. team within the division with best overall (divisional or conference) proceeding through division (all beat Oklahoma State, Baylor, Texas A&M)
Overall record for non-division teams (Texas wins; Longhorns opponents are 21-15, OU's and Tech's are 20-16)
Big 12: Oklahoma (fifth tiebreaker)
The records of three teams will be compared against each other (all are 1-1)
The records of three teams will be compared within their division (all are 4-1)
The records of three teams will be compared to next highest placed teams in their division (all beat Oklahoma State, Baylor, Texas A&M)
The records of three teams against common opponents (all beat Kansas, only common North opponent)
Team with top BCS ranking (No. 2 Oklahoma, No. 3 Texas, No. 7 Texas Tech)
Conference USA: Texas (sixth tiebreaker)
Highest regular-season win percentage based on conference play (all tied at .875)
Head to head between tied teams (all are 1-1)
Highest win percentage in division (all .800)
Records against divisional opponents in descending order of finish (all beat Oklahoma State, Baylor, Texas A&M)
Records against common cross-division opponents (all beat Kansas)
Records against cross-division opponents in descending order of finish (Texas wins; Longhorns defeated North champ Missouri)
Mid-American: Texas (fourth tiebreaker)
Head to head
Record vs. division
Win percentage of cross-over opponents (all 4-0 vs. common opponents, North opponents were a combined 11-13 for all teams)
Cross-division opponents in rank order (Texas wins; beat North champ Missouri)
SEC: Texas (sixth tiebreaker)
Head to head
Record vs. division
Head to head vs. team within division with best overall record and proceeding through division (all beat Oklahoma State, Baylor and Texas A&M)
Record vs. non-division teams (all 3-0)
Record vs. common non-divisional teams with best conference record (all beat Kansas)
Team with highest BCS, unless second tied team is ranked within five or fewer places of highest ranked team. In this case, head to head of winner of top two is the representative. (Oklahoma is No. 2, Texas is No. 3, Texas Tech is No. 7; Texas beat Oklahoma)

2008-11-30 19:08:04
248.   Bluebleeder87
I just finished watching MLB.Com's "Hot Stove Report & from what I understand Furcal met up with Bean up in Oakland... Man, if he is healthy he can be a difference maker but I'm o.k. if he moves on. With all the big contract BUSTS we've had I'll be happy with a reliable sure handed short stop...
2008-11-30 19:38:04
249.   KG16
209 - I hope the selection committees do the right thing and pick Boise State over Ohio State.
2008-11-30 19:44:02
250.   bhsportsguy
249 Well, its only one selection committee.
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2008-11-30 19:51:36
251.   KG16
250 - I thought each Bowl had its own committee. anyway, whoever is in charge, just say no to Ohio State, they don't deserve it, they haven't deserved it in a few years.
2008-11-30 19:52:08
252.   Tripon
They won't. Ohio St. will bring in more money, but it'll be fun to see Texas or OU slaughter Ohio St. again on the national stage.
2008-11-30 19:52:58
253.   KG16
4 of the top 12 teams in the BCS are from non-BCS conferences, what are the odds that we get a non-BCS team in the championship game in the next 3 years?
2008-11-30 19:54:31
254.   KG16
252 - no, it really won't be. I'm tired of watching Ohio State get blown out. They are doing it in the regular season now when they play non-conference games against non-FCS teams, let's leave it at that.
2008-11-30 19:56:39
255.   eusmus
246 Wow, Devin Harris scored 47 points on 25 shots in that game. What a terrible, terrible trade for the Mavs.
2008-11-30 20:02:36
256.   Bob Timmermann
It's more fun to watch Oklahoma, which has lost four of its last five bowl games. The Sooners only win was a 17-14 win over Oregon in the Holiday Bowl in 2005.

Texas has won 6 of its last 7 bowls.

2008-11-30 20:08:50
257.   Tripon
255 Not really, if the Mavs goal is to create cap space to be a player in 2010 for Wade, Bosh, LaBron, etc. Than Kidd's expiring contract is a very good deal.
2008-11-30 20:10:23
258.   KG16
How long before watching the Lakers crush pretty much everyone gets boring?
2008-11-30 20:11:07
259.   Tripon
I'm surprised that the Raptors aren't better than what they are. Calerdon and Bosh makes a pretty good 1-2 bunch. If they're your two best players, that's better than what 25-27 teams have.
2008-11-30 20:12:59
260.   Tripon
258 When its gets as repetitive as the Trojans going to the Rose Bowl.

Wouldn't the Rose Bowl want two visiting teams to fill up Pasadena hotels, and eat at Pasadena restaurants? And just drive up tourism in general? I can't see USC fans doing much in Pasadena for a day, much less a weekend compared to a team out of state.

2008-11-30 20:16:36
261.   KG16
259 - I think it's just that the Lakers are that much better than everyone else.
2008-11-30 20:19:22
262.   Tripon
261 Christmas is going to be fun. Celtics vs. Lakers.

I expect the Lakers to win by ten this time. ;P

2008-11-30 20:27:28
263.   Bob Timmermann
260
USC will sell its allotment of tickets very easily. That will make the Rose Bowl quite happy.
2008-11-30 20:34:51
264.   oshea2002
263 - they'll sell the allotment, as I believe we probably have close to double the season ticket holders v. the allotment, but the demand will be very low from our side. I was going to be out of the country for the game, but I'm not sure I would have gone anyway. There's just zero buzz right now. The Fiesta would have been much better.
2008-11-30 20:37:28
265.   Bob Timmermann
264
That's too bad for the secondary ticket market, but the Pac-10, the Big 10 will be happy and the TofR will be happy.

The happiness of USC fans is somewhat secondary to all these factors.

2008-11-30 20:42:34
266.   oshea2002
265 - true. They can't have another Washington State situation, that was embarrassing. Oregon State likely would have done the same thing, although they may have pulled a Hawaii and simply requested fewer tickets.

The secondary market for the Rose Bowl is funny. People were giving away tickets at Michigan v. Texas, and when I lost my tickets on Brookside last year, and found too more for $30 each. Then there was the Texas Rose Bowl, where unless you had at least $1,500 for one ticket, you weren't getting in.

2008-11-30 20:47:34
267.   Bob Timmermann
I would think that Penn State will bring enough fans to keep the City Fathers and Mothers of Pasadena happy.
2008-11-30 20:50:13
268.   Tripon
What are Penn. State chances against USC?
2008-11-30 20:51:16
269.   bhsportsguy
265 That is true.

Right now, the Orange (ACC), the Rose (Big Ten/Pac Ten) and the BCS Title Game have their tie ins pretty well set.

The Fiesta and Sugar Bowls will get the first two picks of the rest of the teams and they will take the Big 12 (Fiesta) and SEC (Sugar) runner ups. Than the Orange could take the Big East team, Ohio State, Utah or Boise State. They will probably take Cincinnati since it is their first BCS Bowl game. Then it will go back to the Sugar and Fiesta Bowls. One of them will take Utah. If the Fiesta has a choice between Ohio State and Boise State, it will be interesting to see what they decide to do.

2008-11-30 20:52:41
270.   Bob Timmermann
268
Penn State did beat Oregon State.

Perhaps not an apt comparison.

2008-11-30 20:53:35
271.   bhsportsguy
268 If they can keep USC in single digits, they have a shot. But I would guess that USC will win by 28 and people will turn off the game in the 4th quarter.
2008-11-30 20:54:26
272.   oshea2002
269 - The Fiesta will get to pick before the Sugar, but I've heard they may take Utah over Ohio State / Boise, after working out a deal with the Sugar Bowl for future considerations. The Sugar is worried, and rightfully so, that neither Utah nor Boise will travel there, and therefore wants Ohio State.
2008-11-30 20:55:30
273.   bhsportsguy
267 And in 2010, bowl games on consecutive Fridays.

Bob, you may want to either schedule yourself to stay home on January 8, 2010 or that you will work late.

2008-11-30 20:58:08
274.   Tripon
Are there any colleges on the semester system back in school on Jan. 10th?
2008-11-30 21:04:47
275.   Bob Timmermann
If my work schedule doesn't change and follows the same pattern for a whole year (which is a longshot), I would be off on Janaury 8.

I can plan ahead just like Charlie Weis.

2008-11-30 21:06:31
276.   KG16
272 - haven't Utah and Boise both recently traveled to the Sugar Bowl? I smell conspiracy.
2008-11-30 21:07:37
277.   KG16
I can plan ahead just like Charlie Weis.

So, you have a buy out that would pay you more than the whole of your contract?

Can I have you negotiate my partnership agreement after the first of the year?

2008-11-30 21:09:27
278.   KG16
276 - never mind, according to wikipedia, Utah and Boise played in the Fiesta Bowl while Hawai'i played in the Sugar.
2008-11-30 21:10:03
279.   Bob Timmermann
Utah and Boise State played in the Fiesta Bowl. Hawai'i played in the Sugar Bowl.
2008-11-30 21:46:47
280.   Linkmeister
244 If the Hawai'i Bowl (or Aloha Bowl, its predecessor) were played on a date other than Christmas Eve or Christmas Day I suspect more fans would travel here from the mainland. I'm not entirely sure why the management has decided on that date.

I suspect ND would be a pretty good draw here, although with a 6-6 record the school's pride might kick in, along with the relatively puny $750K payout.

I think any one of the service academies or either of the USC/UCLA duo would be big draws.

2008-12-01 01:09:17
281.   trainwreck
I can only dream of winning a Rose Bowl.
2008-12-01 02:35:50
282.   Eric Enders
So I have now been reduced to hoping Oklahoma loses to the 39:1's in the Big XII Consolation Game. Failing that, it would be nice to see a very narrow win by Oklahoma in Miami, coupled with a Texas blowout of Ohio State in the Fiesta, a scenario which should give Texas the AP national championship.
2008-12-01 05:04:54
283.   das411
...so did any of you left coasters see/hear the Endeavour land yesterday?
2008-12-01 07:07:52
284.   Bob Timmermann
For entertainment purposes only:

USC -30 at UCLA
Washington +33.5 at Cal
BC -1 vs Virginia Tech
Florida -10 vs Alabama
Oklahoma -17 vs Missouri

2008-12-01 07:14:49
285.   D4P
284
I assume that any game can either be reported as a favorite with negative points or an underdog with positive points.

What determines which way a game is reported, and why not just use the same style for every game?

2008-12-01 07:18:40
286.   Bob Timmermann
I just go by who's listed first when I read it. Usually it's the road team listed first.
2008-12-01 07:21:07
287.   D4P
Is it weird for the #1 ranked team in the nation to be a 10-point underdog at home?
2008-12-01 07:25:49
288.   Bob Timmermann
How about this?

Florida -10 vs Alabama at Atlanta

2008-12-01 07:26:17
289.   Bob Timmermann
The ACC championship is in Tampa and the Big XII championship is in Kansas City.
2008-12-01 07:30:56
290.   D4P
Is it weird for the #1 ranked team in the nation to be a 10-point underdog at a neutral location?
2008-12-01 07:57:24
291.   MC Safety
College football is such a joke.
2008-12-01 07:58:45
292.   ToyCannon
283
Yes, all my cats jumped simultaneously into the air.
2008-12-01 08:30:59
293.   Bluebleeder87
283

I didn't feel anything to be honest but when I was a kid our teacher new around what time the shuttle was gonna land here in California & kind of prepared us for it(I think I was in 3rd or 4th grade) she told us of the importance of exploration...

2008-12-01 08:35:30
294.   Bluebleeder87
just of the top 'o my head (no research, sorry) the Dodgers need:

1) 3rd baseman (will DeWitt play 3rd or 2nd?)
2) short stop
3) 1 or 2 pitchers
4) do we need an outfielder now that Manny is gone I now we're pretty much set with Kemp & Ethier but. you know what never mind I just remembered we have good 'ol Pierre...

2008-12-01 08:38:25
295.   MC Safety
283 On the drive home, KFWB said at least two people called 911 and reported hearing a loud explosion.
2008-12-01 08:43:51
296.   Marty
Back in the sixties, sonic booms were practically a daily occurrence it seemed. Breathing air worse than Beijing and constant explosions made for fun times as a kid in the San Gabriel Valley.
2008-12-01 09:02:15
297.   Bluebleeder87
Dominican Winter League Stats - Pitchers:

Ramon Troncoso
2 wins against zero losses
1.64 ERA
3 games (he's a starter in the Dominican maybe the Dodgers have something in mind...)
11 innings
K's 7
Yhency Brazoban
I'll just put it this way his #'s aren't anything to write home about...

_________

those are the only recognizable names pitching in the Dominican Republic, Troncoso looks pretty good off the gate, it will be interesting to see how he finishes off.

2008-12-01 09:04:13
298.   MC Safety
297 I totally forgot about Yhency Brazobelly.
2008-12-01 09:07:14
299.   D4P
I tend to like Gurnick's current mailbag responses regarding Fur-kel and Manny.

I almost think Ken's been reading my DT posts...

2008-12-01 09:10:57
300.   kinbote
Troncoso looks pretty good off the gate, it will be interesting to see how he finishes off.

At this rate, he'll be converted to a starter at AAA and traded at the break with Andrew Lambo for Mike Lowell.

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2008-12-01 09:11:07
301.   Jacob Burch
I have resurfaced! A Recap:

a) I (and/or my girlfriend's surprises) picked quite a Colts game (@ Chargers) to go to. Had an absolute blast.
b) I just got an import of Bonnie 'Prince' Billy's new live CD and it has re inspired me to make good on my DT-music promises.
c) A week of no longer having school work to do (or a week of sitting on my rear watching football and playing video games), I already feel purposeless.
d) I am convinced CC is going to the Angels, Manny is going to some AL team, and Ned will make some signing I don't absolute hate but am not thrilled with either.

2008-12-01 09:25:27
302.   cargill06
299 Gurnick also says this,

I would have explained publicly that the club won't offer more than a two-year contract to any player

I don't think you'd ever sign a player that way.

2008-12-01 09:32:16
303.   madmac
125 correction, J Mas was the 5th string QB prior to the 1st starter going to down with an ACL tear.
2008-12-01 09:38:24
304.   MC Safety
Anyone else find the Orioles being the third team in the Peavy talks funny? Wasn't McPhail the previous GM of the Cubs? Seems like a MLB version of the KG or Gasol trade.
2008-12-01 09:45:54
305.   Eric Stephen
The deadline to offer arbitration to free agents is tonight at 9pm.

Per MLB.com, it appears Edgar Renteria will not be offered arbitration by the Tigers, but Orlando Cabrera has already been offered arbitration by the White Sox. Both are Type A free agents, meaning a signing club must forfeit its 1st round pick (or 2nd or 3rd, depending on draft position -- top 15 are exempt -- or other Type A's signed).

2008-12-01 10:08:26
306.   Kevin Lewis
I think Pasadena gets enough tourists from the visiting school and the people that love to come out for the parade. Plus, I see a lot of USC alumni walking around Pasadena a few days before the game, so they come out too.
2008-12-01 10:20:44
307.   mwhite06
306 An ideal scenario for the Rose Bowl would be something like UW versus Michigan. Both teams travel very well and therefore stay in hotels and eat meals in Pasadena etc. While some USC fans may enjoy all Pasadena has to offer, the fact remains that some USC fans can wake up morning of Rose Bowl, drive to game, watch game, then drive home. Getting 2 teams that travel would surely be the best scenario.
2008-12-01 10:28:12
308.   D4P
"Rose Bowl? Don't talk about Rose Bowl. Are you kidding me? Rose Bowl?" - Tyrone from Seattle
2008-12-01 10:32:03
309.   Bob Timmermann
In the 1990s (1992 and 1993 to be exact), UW and Michigan played in the Rose Bowl two years in a row. The second time NEITHER school could sell its tickets and you could buy tickets at face value just a couple days before the game.

You want fans who will buy tickets? Have Wisconsin come out. Or somehow finagle Nebraska into a trip.

From the UCLA games I went to this year, the school that seemed to have the fewest visiting fans was Stanford. Fresno State had the most. I didn't go to the Wazzu game, but Stanford's fans set a pretty low standard.

2008-12-01 10:36:53
310.   D4P
Now that we are officially in a Recession™, there's a decent chance that no school will travel well.
2008-12-01 10:41:51
311.   bhsportsguy
309 Pac-10 Teams that would travel well to the Rose Bowl.

1. Cal
2. Arizona
3. Arizona State

UCLA does not count though they would sell all of their tickets unless they play someone like Wisconsin who would pay top dollar for them. (Just kidding)

2008-12-01 10:43:17
312.   Icaros
310

Isn't that just a euphemism for negative petted puppies?

2008-12-01 10:44:17
313.   bhsportsguy
307 Next year with probably no more than 1 Pac-10 team playing in Pasadena out of 4 spots, we shall see how well some of these big-time football conferences travel.
2008-12-01 10:44:29
314.   Bob Timmermann
If Arizona is coming to the Rose Bowl, I'll be walking around Pasadena with a scowl on my face and hitting random UA fans in the face with a mallet.
2008-12-01 10:44:58
315.   kinbote
I'm guessing Scott Boras doesn't believe in recessions. At least not publicly.
2008-12-01 10:54:40
316.   Icaros
315

He also doesn't pet puppies. At least not publicly.

2008-12-01 10:57:55
317.   Andrew Shimmin
We're not officially in a recession yet. The third quarter was the first one down. The fourth quarter is expected to show negative growth in puppy petting, but it can't be official until it's actually over. Once it is over, and is down as expected, you can retroactively say that we were in a recession, I guess.
2008-12-01 11:00:12
318.   bhsportsguy
314 Is that what the commotion was all about at the last Arizona game at the Rose Bowl, I thought you were swinging one of those big foam fingers?
2008-12-01 11:01:01
319.   Eric Stephen
Starting last year, with the championship game added to the other 4 BCS bowls, the sponsorship of the BCS title game has shifted with the site of the game.

Last year, the Allstate BCS Championship Game was in New Orleans, one week later at the same site as the Allstate Sugar Bowl.

This year, the FedEx BCS Championship Game is in Miami, one week later at the same site as the FedEx Orange Bowl.

Next year, the title game will be at the Rose Bowl. The Rose Bowl likes to go by the name of "The Rose Bowl Game presented by Citi." I wonder if the BCS title game will be called something similar, like "The BCS Championship Game presented by Citi", or if it is just the "Citi BCS Championship Game." Even if Citi isn't around 13 months from now, I'm intrigued by this otherwise meaningless sponsorship question.

I've had a keen interest in bowl game sponsorships since the Poulan Weedeater Independence Bowl entered my life.

2008-12-01 11:09:37
320.   Bob Timmermann
319
You know you're just begging for a xeifrank beatdown.
2008-12-01 11:13:54
321.   bhsportsguy
Baseball Prospectus's Joe Sheehan put on Ned's shoes or his hat or whatever metaphor you want in his latest subscriber-only column on what he would do as the Dodger GM.

Without giving too much away, he said this on Andruw Jones, he would release him. He said he loved the signing a year ago but he was very, very, very, very wrong. (I may have added or shorted a "very" from his quote.)

2008-12-01 11:16:03
322.   Icaros
Didn't the sponsorships used to match up better with the name of the bowl, or am I just hallucinating about my own personal utopian society again?

C&H Sugar Bowl
Sunkist Orange Bowl
FTD Rose Bowl
Hanes Cotton Bowl
Vision Gator Bowl

The Tostitos Fiesta Bowl works, but the Jose Cuervo Fiesta Bowl would be even better.

2008-12-01 11:17:37
323.   kinbote
321 Mustache.
2008-12-01 11:18:06
324.   Jon Weisman
NPUT

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