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Torre/Ramirez
2009-01-13 22:09
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Joe Torre has been on record as far as I know as a big proponent of Manny Ramirez, but he apparently expressed reservations about the slugger to one source - Mr. Ron Howard.

Times film columnist Patrick Goldstein blogged last week at The Big Picture that Torre is all too conscious of Ramirez's defensive limitations.

Howard and I are big baseball fans -- the first time I met him, back in the 1980s, we went to a minor league baseball game in Montana, where he was filming "Far and Away." So his first question to me was not "Do you think I'll get a DGA nomination? -- which he did today -- but "Do you think the Dodgers will sign Manny Ramirez?" As it turns out, Howard had far more insider knowledge than I did, because he's pals with Dodger Manager Joe Torre, who told him that he loved Manny's hitting and impact on the team but was concerned about whether Manny's legs would hold up playing left field in the National League. Torre figured he might be a better fit in the American League, where Manny could DH more often.

If nothing else, this reminds us that there might be a reason, besides speculation about the organization's finances, that the Dodgers don't move their offer to Ramirez beyond two or three years.

Comments
2009-01-13 22:19:52
1.   Dodgers49
Looking at the picture of Derek Lowe in action in today's LA Times the grip he is using for this particular pitch seems quite unusual (although it probably isn't as I'm no expert on grips :-) ).
Can someone familiar with Lowe's repertoire tell me which one of his pitches he is in the act of throwing here?

http://tinyurl.com/85aqad

2009-01-13 22:21:07
2.   Bob Timmermann
"Mr. Torre, why didn't you just burn the lineup card?"
2009-01-13 22:21:41
3.   Eric Stephen
Tripon, this got LAT'd:

Tigers Thoughts had an awesome breakdown of all the Elias rankings.

Short answer as to why Cruz > Lowe:

a) Cruz had a lot of Ks (158 last 2 years)
b) Lowe didn't have a ton of wins or Ks

For relievers:

*The stats used for relievers are Total Games (Games Started*2+Games Relieved), Innings Pitched, Wins+Saves, Winning Percentage, ERA, IP/Hits, and Strikeouts. Note that Innings receive just 75% of the weight of the others*

2009-01-13 22:22:49
4.   underdog
That's pretty cool. Maybe Ron Howard should be the Dodgers GM. No, forget I said that. But how does Joe Torre feel about Gung Ho?

I still predict the Dodgers end up signing Manny - for 3 years. I don't see anyone going longer than that and hope that gives the edge to the Dodgers. I agree with Torre, any longer than 2 or 3 and his knees are gonna give out. Then just cut ties and trade him to an AL team.

2009-01-13 22:39:15
5.   larry slimfast
1 That would be a change-up.
2009-01-13 22:47:17
6.   Dodgers49
5 Thanks. I assumed it was an off speed pitch but couldn't remember what else Lowe threw besides a sinker.
2009-01-13 22:56:11
7.   Eric Stephen
I wonder if Ron Howard will be directing the next round of Bigelow Tea commercials.
2009-01-13 22:56:53
8.   silverwidow
Plaschke has a new article on Billingsley up. He basically wants Chad to get "meaner."
2009-01-13 23:10:49
9.   Tripon
Maybe Plaschke can write 'better'.
2009-01-13 23:24:07
10.   bhsportsguy
8 I see it now.

Dear Editor: Please ask Mr. Plaschke to keep his opinion about the loveable Chad Billingsley to himself.

Signed:
Eric Stephen

2009-01-13 23:28:00
11.   Alex41592
I can see it now.

Billingsley throws at a guy. Then proceeds to get thrown out of the game and suspended for 5 games.

Plaschke that night will write a column on how it was the wrong time to to do it.

2009-01-13 23:38:47
12.   bhsportsguy
Watching "Annie Hall" on TCM

The initial meeting scene between the Woody Allen character and Annie Hall is always great with the subtitles and everything.

2009-01-13 23:41:01
13.   bhsportsguy
"Pastrami on white bread with mayonaise and lettuce and tomato."

Just the expression in Woody Allen's eyes when Annie orders that sandwich just says it all.

2009-01-13 23:42:52
14.   Eric Stephen
10
Haha. I actually broke my Rule #1 (don't read Plaschke) and read the article, expecting to hate it. But it was a harmless article. I liked the way Chad handled the interview, and I didn't really have too much of a problem with Plashcke's tone or questions.

The only thing I'd change is Billingsley's Christmas card. No dogs on the card, man! :)

2009-01-13 23:43:58
15.   Eric Stephen
12
Annie Hall is on my list of must see movies. It's behind Freaks and Geeks in my mental DVD queue though.
2009-01-13 23:45:28
16.   old dodger fan
Rice gets 412 votes and Dale Murphy gets 62.
A well stated case that Murphy is at least as deserving as Rice at:
http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/
2009-01-13 23:58:19
17.   bhsportsguy
16 Which to me means that neither should be in the HOF.
2009-01-14 00:10:54
18.   KG16
5 - that's a circle change up, to be a bit more precise.
2009-01-14 00:29:00
19.   Alex41592
For those who cannot sleep. I bring to you a segment from the greatest sports video ever created. If you are a Lakers fan this just makes you smile. Plus, the music is 80's-rific.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUXPiGqmMKg

2009-01-14 01:08:11
20.   bhsportsguy
Lamar Odom to Gary Payton:

Paraphrasing -

Lamar: I know I can play ball in the league, my debut against you GP, I think I dropped 30 on you.

Laughter

Gary: You was doing that against the forwards, I think I scored 35

2009-01-14 02:03:49
21.   ibleedbloo
Who is more reliable with the hot stove rumors, Ken Rosenthal or Opie Taylor?
2009-01-14 04:23:18
22.   D4P
Opie Taylor

I prefer to think of him as...wait for it...Narrator.

2009-01-14 04:57:23
23.   Ken Noe
Pa taught Opie not to lie. Now Barney, he'd sign Juan Pierre to five years. "He's dangerous and wiry, Ange!"
2009-01-14 05:13:22
24.   Ken Noe
Ned, on Diamond's blog: That franchise (the Giants) the last couple of years has stumbled a little bit, but they got a lot of pride, and they got a lot of good young talent coming. If you add somebody like that to the middle of their lineup, he changes the lineup much like he did for us. Congrats on your third year, Manny.
2009-01-14 07:19:49
25.   berkowit28
24 At least he added "Of course, we need to get Manny Ramirez first and a couple more pitchers…". I'm glad he hasn't forgotten about the pitchers and doesn't think he's gone and got those yet.
2009-01-14 07:39:39
26.   Jon Weisman
NPUT
2009-01-14 10:01:27
27.   briano
16 - Here's the real question? How does Rice get in the Hall and Garvey doesn't?
2009-01-14 10:06:24
28.   SortaLaSorda
At what point to we just bag on all this Manny business and start moving on? Do the Dodgers have a deadline on this at some point?

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