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Dodger Hoops
2009-01-20 17:35
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Young Dodgers visited a Laker practice today, and Dodger photographer Jon Soo Hoo has the snapshots. (Is that term demeaning for a pro's pro? I hope not.)

Rhett Bollinger has the story for MLB.com

... another superstar stated his interest in playing left field and batting third for the Dodgers -- Lakers guard Kobe Bryant.

"Put me in left field and I'd run it all down. I'm faster than Manny," Bryant said before adding he'd like to bat third. "I want the clutch situations. Put me in that pressure spot."

That's what Michael Jordan said.

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2009-01-20 17:42:25
1.   Icaros
My favorite is the Kobe and J-Mac photo.
2009-01-20 17:51:55
2.   Joshua Worley
So, uh, do the Angels young players have to visit a Clippers practice? ;)

I enjoyed those photos way more than I thought I would. I think part of it was just seeing Kershaw and McDonald again and thinking about all the promise they have.

2009-01-20 18:01:48
3.   JJ42
It's cool to see those photos - reminds us that these Dodgers who we talk so much about are still so young and be somewhat starstruck by pro athletes too.

Look at the smiles on J-Mac and Kershaw's faces.

2009-01-20 18:02:06
4.   Bob Timmermann
Angels players can visit a Ducks practice. Look for Mike Napoli to start beating people upside the head in the coming season.
2009-01-20 18:02:24
5.   trainwreck
Kobe seems to think he can play all kinds of professional sports.
2009-01-20 18:35:32
6.   Bluebleeder87
5

I wish he pitched for the Dodgers... I saw him throw out the first pitch at Dodger Stadium once, he looked o.k. but he seemed to have a weak arm to be honest.

2009-01-20 18:48:34
7.   Bluebleeder87
Looks like the Padres & Heath Bell have agreed to a contract so says MLBTraderumers [http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/] He seems like a great pitcher but I just checked his numbers & he's o.k. I guess... he had one really great year when he posted a 2.02 ERA & A 200 ERA+

Taking over an icons job isn't gonna be easy I would imagine.

2009-01-20 18:50:49
8.   fanerman
5 Like what exactly? Snake jumping?
2009-01-20 18:53:17
9.   trainwreck
He also said he could be a WR in the NFL.
2009-01-20 18:53:35
10.   tjdub
I enjoy basketball and root hard for the Lakers, but those pictures are reminding me that basketball season effectively ends the first week of April. The winter is lasting too long
2009-01-20 18:56:22
11.   tjdub
Anyone else catching the President's conversation with the service men and women?

All Chicago natives and the most important question of course was "Cubs or White Sox?"

2009-01-20 19:20:04
12.   LAbits
2 So, uh, do the Angels young players have to visit a Clippers practice?
I think so. Aren't they both from the Orange County part of Los Angeles? :p
2009-01-20 19:23:11
13.   Tripon
Angels players can also visit the Lakers.
2009-01-20 19:24:56
14.   KG16
9 - I'd see Kobe as more a Dieon Sanders style cornerback. I would posit that most pro athletes, if they spent as much time over the course of their life as they did their chosen sport, would probably be able to play another pro sport.
2009-01-20 19:29:24
15.   LAbits
0 Dodger photographer Jon Soo Hoo
Hadn't seen his work as regularly in a while. I was wondering if he'd been tossed on the Ross Porter pile.
2009-01-20 19:30:21
16.   Bob Timmermann
Kobe Bryant would be the tallest DB ever wouldn't he?
2009-01-20 19:34:22
17.   Tripon
The Dodgers signed reliever Ronald Belisario to a minor-league contract and invited the right-hander to spring training.

http://www.beloblog.com/Pe_Blogs/prosports/mlb/dodgers/

2009-01-20 19:35:33
18.   trainwreck
16
Definitely. He could be as good as Matt Ware. : /
2009-01-20 19:38:36
19.   Bob Timmermann
Bob Sanders is 5'8". Deion Sanders was listed as 6'1". Troy Polamalu is 5'10".

I can't picture someone as tall as Kobe Bryant playing DB. He would be a lot better as a receiver a la Harold Carmichael.

2009-01-20 19:39:31
20.   Bob Timmermann
The biggest DB I can remember is David Fulcher and he was just 6'3".
2009-01-20 19:47:10
21.   El Lay Dave
17 You have to spell his family name with a "z" instead of an "s" to find him in b-r minors or the baseball cube.
2009-01-20 20:09:19
22.   Dodgers49
10 but those pictures are reminding me that basketball season effectively ends the first week of April.

For me the pro basketball effectively begins the first week of April.

2009-01-20 20:10:15
23.   Dodgers49
season
2009-01-20 20:14:39
24.   Eric Stephen
21
Dave, I saw you all over the intertubes today with the wonderful Repko explanation. Thanks again for the breakdown.
2009-01-20 20:19:24
25.   Dodgers49
Baseball's arbitration raises: Big and bigger

>> Milwaukee Brewers first baseman Prince Fielder, who earned $670,000 last year, was guaranteed the largest raise among arbitration players when the Brewers offered $6 million. He requested $8 million. Eleven players were offered at least $3 million salaries by their clubs.

"Shoot, the way this free agent market has played out, you're better off in the arbitration market," says San Diego-based agent John Boggs <<

http://tinyurl.com/9to6so

2009-01-20 20:22:13
26.   trainwreck
20
Matt Ware is 6' 4".
2009-01-20 20:25:39
27.   Gen3Blue
Curious about answers to 179 and 182 previous? This when we needed Lugo?

And Kobe--good athletes tend to think they can hit a baseball---Wrong!

2009-01-20 20:25:39
28.   Big Game
20 Dennis Smith was 6'3...so is Taylor Mays.
2009-01-20 20:30:56
29.   Marty
Taylor Mays is a beast. I hope he doesn't get hurt next year.
2009-01-20 20:32:02
30.   Cones88
who is the "youngster" that looks like a small randy johnson??
2009-01-20 20:33:41
31.   Eric Stephen
27
Curious about answers to 179 and 182 previous?

The questions were facetious, but here are the answers:

2008 VORP
Andre Ethier 40.8
Ryan Howard 36.4

2008 WAR
Cody Ross 3.8
Andre Ethier 3.6

2009-01-20 20:45:02
32.   Eric Stephen
Question for Freaks and Geeks peeps:

I got discs 3-5 in the mail today through GreenCine (apparently 1-2 were unavailable). I tried 3 different local video stores and none had discs 1-2.

Do I need to watch the episodes in sequence, or does it even matter with this show?

2009-01-20 20:49:04
33.   Bob Timmermann
26
Pro-football reference lists Matt Ware at 6'2".
2009-01-20 20:51:23
34.   MyTummyHurts
32

I see it like a baseball game, your not gonna understand the entire story line of the game if your coming in the 5th inning...

2009-01-20 20:53:15
35.   Marty
Every story is best from the beginning.
2009-01-20 20:54:17
36.   MyTummyHurts
Baseball Cube has little Etasnislao Abreu listed at 5'11 THERE'S N-O W-A-Y he's that tall right?
2009-01-20 20:56:11
37.   Gen3Blue
31 Thanks Eric. Amazing or surprising, but satisfying to know.
2009-01-20 21:03:19
38.   68elcamino427
29
My hope is that Mays doesn't hurt too many people next season - seriously - this guy is a danger to others when on the football field.
2009-01-20 21:58:06
39.   Tripon
the Don Newcombe interview is up on AM-570 website. You can stream it, or download a .mp3 version.

http://www.am570radio.com/pages/podcasting/

2009-01-20 21:58:34
40.   jasonungar07
I assume you guys all know you can stream The Bosses new album on NPR. I didn't go thru previous threads.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=99173117

2009-01-20 22:14:01
41.   trainwreck
33
Then the NFL Network, all draft coverage, and UCLA have been lying to me. Yes, they all exaggerate, but usually it is unified.
2009-01-20 22:15:16
42.   Bob Timmermann
41
http://www.nfl.com/players/mattware/profile?id=WAR361925
2009-01-20 22:23:51
43.   trainwreck
Maybe being humbled in the NFL has caused him to shrink two inches.
2009-01-20 22:27:17
44.   Alex41592
AHH!

Steve Phillips and Joe Morgan together. Poor Jon Miller.

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/watchdog/blog/2009/01/espn_will_announce_wednesday_t.html

2009-01-20 22:29:23
45.   trainwreck
ESPN really hates their viewers.
2009-01-20 23:08:36
46.   NWdodger
Pat Watkins, safety with the Dallas Cowboys was listed as 6'5" when he was drafted out of Florida State. He is now listed as 6'4".
2009-01-20 23:57:18
47.   trainwreck
Lost is only a few hours away!!

I am going to have Jeremy Bentham visit Ned and tell him that he has to sign Ben Sheets and Manny.

2009-01-21 00:08:52
48.   GoBears
47 Jeremy Bentham

Huh?

http://tinyurl.com/ysjwzw

2009-01-21 00:10:46
49.   trainwreck
48
Lost names certain characters after philosophers, usually English philosophers.
2009-01-21 00:14:25
50.   trainwreck
I believe they used Bentham, because of his unique post-modem story.
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2009-01-21 00:23:26
51.   trainwreck
Post-mortem, stupid spell check told me I was wrong.
2009-01-21 00:51:59
52.   GoBears
Ah, never watched "Lost." It's all clear (as mud) now.
2009-01-21 03:59:56
53.   MyTummyHurts
39

Thanks for the heads up on that Tripon.

2009-01-21 04:28:05
54.   Bumsrap
Shouldn't it be the Padres that visited a Clipper practice?
2009-01-21 07:17:27
55.   Disabled List
If Kobe Bryant wants the ball in clutch situations, he should be a closer, not a position player. I'd love to have a 6'6" righthander with long arms coming out of the pen in a high-leverage situation.
2009-01-21 07:35:47
56.   Eric Stephen
55
Todd Worrell was 6'5" with long arms. I hope that extra inch of height makes a huge difference.
2009-01-21 07:39:14
57.   Eric Stephen
Clear Channel laid off about 9% of their work force yesterday. Employees with 3 years of service or more got 9 months severance! Newer employees got 3 months severance.

Now that's a severance package.

2009-01-21 07:43:52
58.   D4P
Andruw Jones got an $18 million severance package from the Dodgers when he got laid off.
2009-01-21 07:44:27
59.   D4P
Check that: a $22 million severance package.
2009-01-21 07:46:46
60.   Eric Stephen
59
$22.2m, but what's $200,000 between friends?
2009-01-21 07:48:55
61.   underdog
I can't wait to get Lost tonight!

32 Eric, you don't have to watch 'em all in order (I actually didn't first time) though there are relationship character arcs that happen chronologically that are better to watch straight through. But there are also stand alone episodes. So in short, you don't have to, but it's still better to watch in order.

First discs in series are always most popular. (We're gonna try to get more copies of it soon, though, btw.)

--

28 Sniff. I miss Dennis Smith. Broncos haven't had a gamechanging safety since he and then Steve Atwater retired.

2009-01-21 07:50:04
62.   D4P
what's $200,000 between friends?

Yeah. I'm sure Jamie's got that in her coin purse.

2009-01-21 08:06:48
63.   DarrenDreifortsSoreHip
Is it just me or do the Dodger players all kind of look like little kids sitting there watching everyone play?
2009-01-21 08:20:03
64.   D4P
Looks like Ja(y)son Werth (worth $21.2mm (hey: that's almost Andruw Jones severance package money!) last season) has signed a multi-year deal with the Phillies.
2009-01-21 08:25:31
65.   D4P
Submitted without comment:

Britney Spears has reportedly landed a $14 million deal to write her autobiography

2009-01-21 08:25:51
66.   cargill06
Who was better last year? The Dodgers or the Royals? Bill James thinks K.C.

http://www.billjamesonline.net/ArticleContent.aspx?AID=964&Code=James01002

2009-01-21 08:34:19
67.   Kevin Lewis
66

Better at what? If he means baseball, than Joe Pos might disagree.

2009-01-21 08:35:26
68.   D4P
The Royals played a much tougher schedule last year than the Dodgers did.
2009-01-21 08:39:10
69.   Tripon
Andre Ethier and Russell Martin used to have the same agent, but both have recently changed representation. Ethier is now represented by Nez Balelo, who also recently became Takashi Saito's agent

http://blogs.pe.com/prosports/mlb/dodgers/

2009-01-21 08:41:57
70.   LogikReader
I'd have to give credit to the Royals for posting such an incredible record against NL teams. The Royals went 13-5 against the NL, which might factor into James' assessment.

The Dodger post Manny, however? No way are they better than the Royals. James could post all the computer numbers he wants, I have a tough time picking any of their cleanup hitters over Man-Ram.

By the way, the Royals finished 12 games below .500, and for that franchise, that's actually pretty good. Better than that they didn't even finish last.

2009-01-21 08:45:18
71.   D4P
ESPN's Relative Power Index:

18. Dodgers (0.495)
19. Royals (0.494)

2009-01-21 08:50:20
72.   berkowit28
70 The Dodger post Manny, however? No way are they better than the Royals.

I don't think you meant exactly that, did you?

2009-01-21 08:51:17
73.   regfairfield
If your method says that the Royals are better than the Dodgers, your method needs serious work.
2009-01-21 08:53:52
74.   LogikReader
72

Oops, I meant it the other way... No way are the Royals better than the Dodgers.

Coffee time...

2009-01-21 08:55:53
75.   Tripon
According to CSN Philly, the Phillies avoided arbitration with outfielder Jayson Werth by signing him to a multiyear deal. Werth was set to reach free agency after the season. Scout.com's Chuck Hixson has a source saying it's a two-year deal worth around $9MM.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/01/phillies-sign-j.html

2009-01-21 08:57:59
76.   regfairfield
But, the method says the Dodgers were better, so it all checks out.
2009-01-21 08:58:49
77.   cargill06
73 But was it the real Dodger team he was evaluating? A team that gives Berazahu 450 PA's and a CF with a 34 OPS+ 230+ PA's. I'm not sure what to think of it but for some of the year we did have our share of below replacement level players playing signifigant amounts of time.
2009-01-21 09:01:08
78.   cargill06
76 I guess that's what happens when you don't read it carefully.
2009-01-21 09:13:50
79.   D4P
What's up with the Dark Lord of the Sith-esque photo of Lance Armstrong on ESPN.com?
2009-01-21 09:17:32
80.   Ken Noe
Repko must look at Werth and see himself on another team.
2009-01-21 09:19:09
81.   kinbote
Every single Philly: Ring in a box.
2009-01-21 09:21:15
82.   Tripon
The 09 Phillies team is going to be expensive. I know that team just won the world series, but I see that starting rotation, and I figure no way are they sniffing the playoffs this year. They're relying on Blanton, Meyers, and Moyers to all log 200 innings, and sub 4.00 ERAs.
2009-01-21 09:33:03
83.   kinbote
82 Yes, but their lineup and bullpen figure to be good. An offensive core of Rollins, Utley, & Howard supplemented with the ex-Dodgers and new addition Ibanez should be enough to overcome Pedro Feliz, whom I still can't believe Ned didn't sign. We need to wait and see what the Mets do before we handicap that division, but I certainly think they'll be a factor.
2009-01-21 09:33:30
84.   underdog
The thing that the new ESPN Sunday Night team is missing now is Ken Harrelson. That would be perfect.

And Rick Monday, for the score.

2009-01-21 09:42:17
85.   Tripon
80 I'm going to go on out on a limb and say that Repko isn't as good of a player as Wreth is.
2009-01-21 09:44:22
86.   silverwidow
The Royals have two guys that project to hit 30-40 HRs coming up in a few years (Hosmer & Moustakas). I'm not sure there's anyone in our organization, aside from Matt Kemp, with that potential.
2009-01-21 09:51:50
87.   D4P
I'm going to go on out on a limb and say that Repko isn't as good of a player as Wreth is

On a completely unrelated note, Ja(y)son Repko is still a Dodger and Ja(y)son Werth went to the Phillies for free.

2009-01-21 09:56:41
88.   kinbote
86 The only way to get high draft picks is to be real bad.
2009-01-21 10:08:53
89.   underdog
87 And we needed to be reminded of this again because... why exactly? In other news, Cody Ross is another One That Got Away. :-P

88 Exactly. The Rays have done many other things right so I won't take that away from them but it certainly helped to be in position to draft guys like Evan Longoria. If the Dodgers completely tanked they'd get the opp to draft a total slugger, too.

2009-01-21 10:08:54
90.   ToyCannon
86
Of course some of us thought that Gordon/Butler would also be hitting 30-40 home runs when they were Hosmer and Moustakas.

Not sure why anyone feels any pain for Repko. He played all last year in a hitters park where career minor leaguers like Lindsey/Tiffe destroyed pitching and he did squat for a 27 year old. It is about production and Repko did little to lay claim to a job in the major leagues. He's 27 years old and posted a 820 OPS while 24 year old Paul posted an 841 OPS. He's totally expendable and why we even bothered offering him arbitration is a mystery. Xavier Paul could easily replace him if we needed the extra outfielder. If he was released he'd be lucky to find a 5th outfielder job with any other team. He is not Jayson Werth or even Cody Ross. He's a hack who plays hard but produces little. Someday he might have a Matt Diaz year if he only saw lefthanders.

2009-01-21 10:13:19
91.   D4P
Did Ned keep Repko over Werth/Ross because he thought Repko was better, or was there some kind of "options" thing involved?
2009-01-21 10:13:52
92.   Daniel Zappala
I just wish someone could give me some hard, straight talk on Repko. I can handle the truth.
2009-01-21 10:16:53
93.   ToyCannon
88 89
As Joe Poz pointed out in his column the other day you don't need to be bad to have a great draft. It is easy to do in hindsite but every team going into the draft has the capability of having a great draft.

Dodger fans looking down their noses at the KC franchise are amusing. During the 70's they went head to head with the Yankees for the best team in the AL. We have barely been the best team in the NL West for two decades even with a payroll that usually outstrips our division rivals by a considerable amount.

2009-01-21 10:18:53
94.   ToyCannon
91
I can't answer for Ned but the obvious answer on Werth was that he hadn't played because of the wrist injury, and so was a question mark. But you already know this.
2009-01-21 10:19:17
95.   MollyKnight
I just heard from Diamond that Kent retired.
2009-01-21 10:19:22
96.   Tripon
Dodgers infielder Jeff Kent is scheduled to announce his retirement tomorrow at Dodger Stadium. Kent is the all-time leader in home runs by a second baseman.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2009/01/dodgers-kent-to.html

2009-01-21 10:19:37
97.   fanerman
state of Royals now != state of Royals in the 70's
2009-01-21 10:22:08
98.   Tripon
State of Dodgers now != state of Dodgers in the 60's.
2009-01-21 10:22:50
99.   D4P
but the obvious answer on Werth was that he hadn't played because of the wrist injury, and so was a question mark

This reasoning becomes less compelling when you consider that Ned gave the injured Ja(y)son Schmidt nearly $50 million.

2009-01-21 10:24:34
100.   D4P
Regarding arbitration: is there any limit on the amount of money a player can ask for? If so, how is it determined, and do players typically just ask for the limit? If not, what's to keep a player for asking for a billion dollars?
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2009-01-21 10:25:30
101.   fanerman
100 If a player asks for a billion dollars, he loses and gets whatever the team asks for.
2009-01-21 10:26:22
102.   Jacob Burch
100 Most players probably want to win arbitration. Asking for a billion isn't a good way to do it.
2009-01-21 10:27:28
103.   ToyCannon
100
There is no limit other then common sense. The arbitrator decides between the two amounts. If the players amount comes into high then the arbitrator will choose the owner amount.
2009-01-21 10:27:31
104.   delias man
90 Hear Hear!!
2009-01-21 10:27:34
105.   D4P
I thought the figure arrived at in arbitration was usually somewhere between (A) what the player asks for and (B) the team offers. Are you saying the figure is either A or B?
2009-01-21 10:27:37
106.   Tripon
100 I don't think there's a limit. What keeps the player from asking for more is because the arbitrater looks at past contracts and similar players with the set amount of playing time to help determine your 'worth.'. Ryan Howard could have asked for $40 million this year, but there's no way he would get that salary since there isn't a $40 million player in MLB.
2009-01-21 10:28:58
107.   Jacob Burch
105 Bingo. You are thinking of mediation.
2009-01-21 10:29:12
108.   fanerman
105 Yup. That's how arbitration works. Since the arbiter can only choose between A and B, it makes sense for both the player and team to make reasonable assessments on how much money the player deserves.
2009-01-21 10:30:00
109.   ToyCannon
99
So true, but then again selling Carlos Santana while willing to give G Mota 2.37 Million also lies under an inconsistent approach that we have come to expect under this management.
2009-01-21 10:30:17
110.   Jacob Burch
Fanerman and I are now tied at one apiece. I wonder if DT comments works like the NFL or not.
2009-01-21 10:31:24
111.   Bob Timmermann
110
Strength of comment is the first tiebreaker.
2009-01-21 10:31:53
112.   Tripon
The NFL should really rework their overtime rules. Games shouldn't end in a tie.
2009-01-21 10:32:01
113.   Jacob Burch
109 You know I love you both, but isn't all of this creaking close to Rule 8? I expect a certain degree of Ned bashing in ever comments thread, but it just seems fruitless at this point.
2009-01-21 10:32:03
114.   bferb
The combination of recent press, and Ned's history has caused this nagging feeling to form in my stomach that the Dodgers are going to end up signing Kris Benson in the next week or two. Now just for fun, let's just ASSUME he is healthy and makes the team as a fifth starter - anyone have a projection what we could expect out of him pitching at Dodger stadium?
2009-01-21 10:34:38
115.   still bevens
I always assume the Dodgers give Repko special treatment because he's a former #1 pick but I assume that has zero basis in reality.
2009-01-21 10:34:58
116.   Tripon
http://sportsblogs.latimes.com/sports_baseball_dodgers/2009/01/the-lakers-sign.html#more

The L.A. times were able to do an interview with Blake DeWitt at the Lakers practice the other day.

2009-01-21 10:35:11
117.   D4P
113
Today's Ned bashing actually takes on a new angle, i.e. not only that Ned gave away Werth and Ross (which we've covered before), but that he kept Repko.

I had never considered these issues in relation to each before, but upon doing so, I was even more flabbergasted.

2009-01-21 10:35:56
118.   Tripon
115 I think part of it is that Repko has always been a Dodgers farmhand, so he has more supporters in the organization than Ross or Wreth did. Two players who were traded into the system.
2009-01-21 10:37:35
119.   Frip
I'm not sure if this is Vin commentating, but it sounds like him. I didn't know he did tennis commentary. If this IS him, he certainly doesn't say much. Maybe he felt out of sorts doing tennis.

You can hear him at the 14 second mark, and at the 7:55 mark, (if it IS him).

YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcRNZeo70P4&feature=related

2009-01-21 10:39:34
120.   Jacob Burch
117 I realize that, but after the first connection it seemed to leap towards yet another chance to enumerate all of the mistakes Ned has made, and I guess I just got tired of reading them.

111 How does one judge this? Word count? Or are we going to go the Figure Skating Route.

2009-01-21 10:39:56
121.   Jon Weisman
NPUT
2009-01-21 10:41:52
122.   Jacob Burch
119 I can't certify that it's him with such a small sample, but Vin did do Tennis for CBS.

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