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This Chat's on Me
2009-02-01 10:49
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

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Comments (146)
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2009-02-01 10:59:40
1.   Landonkk
I'm predicting an upset today - AZ 24, PIT 20.

In other news: In my alternate baseball world of 'Out of the Park Baseball 9', Manny just accepted my offer of 3 yrs/62.5 million. He sent me an email saying how happy he was to be back with the Dodgers. I wonder how far off that will be from reality... besides the email which I know will never happen.

2009-02-01 11:01:12
2.   D4P
Every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end.
2009-02-01 11:01:25
3.   The Trolley Dodger
1 How is 9? I have 7 and never upgraded to 8.
2009-02-01 11:04:07
4.   Landonkk
I apologize. It was 3/65.2 million (22.4,22.4 and 20.4)
2009-02-01 11:11:28
5.   Landonkk
3 I can't really say since I never played the earlier versions. I'm coming over from Baseball Mogul and compared to that it is much better. I'm blown away by how customizable OOTP9 is but I am taking it slow and I haven't even begun ST yet so I'm sure how the game sims will go.

Russell Martin just rejected my attempt to sign him to a 4 year deal with a team option.

2009-02-01 11:16:08
6.   Pecos Bill
I predict that the Dodger major league payroll budget for 2009 is $110 mil. Therefore they must sign a pitcher before knowing whether they have the money to sign Manny. Not a good picture if true.
2009-02-01 11:29:48
7.   Marty
I'm rooting for AZ. Leinart is a proven winner.
2009-02-01 11:31:09
8.   CajunDodger
I have not reading the comments lately because I have been trying to cut 12% off of my budget without having to give any layoff notices (I suspect that I am not the only one).

I am certain that this is not an original idea, but what would be the disadvantage of getting Bobby Abreu in here and just washing our hands of Manny contract mess? We could get Abreu for 1/$12 mil and have some payroll flexibility in case a big time arm or bat came on the market in June. Once next season rolls around, we could use Abreu and Schmidt's money to go after Holliday.

What is the disadvantage of this in terms of predicted win shares?

2009-02-01 11:31:09
9.   Marty
Oh, and to answer Dagwich's question in the last thread, that hole in the ground is supposed to be a new courthouse and is tied up with the Grand Avenue project.. But so far, there was only enough money to tear the old building down.
2009-02-01 11:43:06
10.   underdog
I'm going to miss the first quarter+ of the game at least because my g/f got tix to a play at Am. Conservatory Theater for this afternoon, not realizing it's Super Bowl Sunday. Fortunately, I don't care much about the game but look forward to catching Bruce at halftime. And hope it's a competitive game.

I'm sorta rooting for AZ because I always root for the underdog of course, but my prediction is:

PITT 30
AZ 20.

2009-02-01 11:52:05
11.   Damon
Hate it or love it the underdogs on top.
Lets go Arizona
2009-02-01 12:11:34
12.   PalmdaleSteve1
8 Or Dunn or any other names.

Don't get me wrong, Manny is great, but Boras is just plain evil. Manny is not worth the 4 year 100+ Million contract Boras is asking for. The way Dodger pitching is going to look this year, better to spend the money on some pitching, and or another bat like Dunn rather than on a 37 year old player.

2009-02-01 12:18:45
13.   Mind Revolution
So I just got an Iphone yesterday but I have no idea how to use it. The lack of any sort of user manual I find to be odd. Can someone help a noob out with a site that isn't geared to people that already know what they are doing? Also what apps should I check out?
2009-02-01 12:32:06
14.   The Trolley Dodger
13 The iPhone guides are here at the moment:

http://support.apple.com/manuals/

2009-02-01 12:43:57
15.   Right Said Ned
Today marks the beginning of my favorite time of year -- the end of football season! Bring on basketball (and lots of it!), spring training/fantasy baseball analysis, watching meaningless (SS) games at 2 p.m., and I usually take in more LA Kings games around this time.

Anyone else echo my sentiments? I never grew up with a football team and my dad is foreign -- so nobody to really root for. The one Raider game I saw in 1993, a female fan alluded to castrating another fan in a WAY more vulgar manor...she could not have cared any less about being in earshot of an eight-year-old.

2009-02-01 12:46:37
16.   PalmdaleSteve1
15

Amen brother!

Anyone got plans to go to Dodgers Spring training....I'm on the fence. Got a business trip out to Florida in March, so can catch some East coast teams, but thinking about driving out to Phoenix for a weekend to see the new complex and catch at least one game.

2009-02-01 12:47:55
17.   old dodger fan
I'm not a big football fan but Mike Tomlin grew up about 10 miles from where I live. A friend of mine was an Asst Coach at the College of William & Mary and he recruited Tomlin to play there so I have at least an indirect connection to the guy so I'll root for the Steelers today.
2009-02-01 13:08:28
18.   trainwreck
That is a bong you had Michael Phelps, no pipe.
2009-02-01 13:09:33
19.   trainwreck
A Roar, btw. Those are overrated.
2009-02-01 13:23:21
20.   silverwidow
Best time of the year is Final Four weekend/Opening Day.
2009-02-01 13:25:40
21.   Eric Enders
15 Heck yeah. The problem is, for the last few years ESPN has treated Super Bowl Sunday not as the end of the football season, but as the start of the next one. So I'll still get an avalanche of annoying NFL offseason reports mixed in with the sports I actually care about.

Wake me up when halftime starts.

2009-02-01 13:32:13
22.   trainwreck
21
But the off-season is pretty much the season for some of us.
2009-02-01 13:43:45
23.   dianagramr
Prediction:
Pitt 21, Ariz 11

(but I've been wrong most of the post-season)

2009-02-01 14:03:47
24.   Icaros
How long ago did Brenda Warner ditch the "mom from Webster" hairstyle? She looks totally different with long blond hair.
2009-02-01 14:07:46
25.   Bob Timmermann
24
http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/30/whos-that-girl-its-the-quarterbacks-wife/
2009-02-01 14:10:58
26.   D4P
I was wondering the other day if "Webster" ever came up as a potential nickname for Pierre.
2009-02-01 14:23:11
27.   Dodgers49
Per Diamond Leung:

Dodgers GM Colletti talks about Manny Ramirez

>> And what would happen of Manny doesn't re-sign?

"We've got three everyday outfielders," Colleti said, adding that there might be another player out on the market that would fit. "We'll keep on going." <<

http://tinyurl.com/b3c8gz

2009-02-01 15:25:54
28.   Gen3Blue
I just assumed I couldn't get get the soup-bowl on my DTV hookup with no networks, but remembered how to get my basic channel cable-- with a perverse no. of wierd flips of switches and buttons---in time to see a perfectly super overdone national anthem. I intend to see the halftime and a few surrounding ads.
2009-02-01 15:27:39
29.   Gen3Blue
Wasn't Roger Craig a baseball player?
2009-02-01 15:30:10
30.   Andrew Shimmin
I hope there's a goody bag for the end of the pre-game show, in addition to the end of the quarter ones.
2009-02-01 16:28:50
31.   goofus
I'm tired of the Manny Circus. We know what he has done in the past but next year and subsequent years are pure speculation. If we think he's worth $22 million, we tell Boras, "Take or leave it, we're moving on". I'm confident Dunn can deliver at least 90% of what Manny MIGHT do.For half the money, or less. That left over money would pay for a pretty good pitcher. Waiting for Manny to get off the pot is upsetting to the fans if not the players and will hamper our ability to sign someone else if he holds us up too long. I know it's a game of chicken, but we have viable options, he doesn't, playing the game with him is stupid on our part.
2009-02-01 16:30:26
32.   goofus
A bit of trivia... Did you know at one time the Dodgers were interested in signing Wings Hauser, the actor, as a catcher? Must have been in the mid 70s or thereabouts.
2009-02-01 17:00:53
33.   Jon Weisman
That play was just unbelievable.
2009-02-01 17:08:47
34.   underdog
33 - That was insane. If I was a Cardinals fan, I would've kicked in the TV.

Now, why was John Elway wearing old school Broncos uniform for that Heroes ad instead of the one he had more SB success in?

Anyway, here's Broooooooce! I didn't predict he'd open with 10th Avenue Freezeout.

2009-02-01 17:10:00
35.   bhsportsguy
Steve Mason was right. At least about Bruce's first song.
2009-02-01 17:13:20
36.   delias man
I had 7 and 7 in our work pool. Hello $50. That play was great.
2009-02-01 17:17:24
37.   underdog
I think we all win on the "Born to Run" and "Glory Days" predictions, however.

So do the fans on the field have separate admissions for the halftime concert? I always wondered how that works.

2009-02-01 17:18:49
38.   bhsportsguy
What will be blogged about more, the 100 yard return or Bruce changing the words to "Glory Days."
2009-02-01 17:21:40
39.   bhsportsguy
37 They usually get volunteers from the area and bring them in for rehearsals and the show. They are now herding them like cattle to get them out of there.
2009-02-01 17:43:04
40.   Tripon
Why is the Rock the main character in the remake of Race to Witch Mountain?
2009-02-01 17:45:52
41.   Xeifrank
The super bowl party jelly bean goodie bags are going over well, as my four year old won the half-time pool with the long TD run. Unfortunately, her grandpa broke a tooth on his jelly bean bag win. Other than that, everything going well. Missed the half-time show, assume I didn't miss much.
vr, Xei
2009-02-01 18:07:51
42.   Andrew Shimmin
41- I think I speak for us all when I demand an independent review of the efficacy of bribing children with candy. It just doesn't pass the smell test.
2009-02-01 18:12:17
43.   D4P
Remaining Dodger free agents:

Joe Beimel, lhp; Gary Bennett, c; Nomar Garciaparra, ss; Jeff Kent, 2b; Greg Maddux, rhp; Pablo Ozuna; Manny Ramirez, of; Mark Sweeney, 1b.

Not sure if it says anything about Ned or not, but it's still kind of funny that 5 of the 8 Dodger free agents might very well retire.

2009-02-01 18:20:20
44.   Ken Arneson
I need to make a database change--since it's not busy around here, I'm making it now. If you try to post a comment and it hangs on you, that's why.
2009-02-01 18:35:52
45.   das411
Bruce Springsteen is more overrated than the 2003 Yankees.

--if this went thru, Ken is done playing with the server--

2009-02-01 18:46:15
50.   Gen3Blue
Further proof I don't understand football. If the rough stuff that looked worse than hockey didn't give the red shirts the ball I don't get it. And the next play the guy didn't get the ball out of the end zone. Why don't the red shirts get something?
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2009-02-01 19:01:55
54.   Andrew Shimmin
2009-01-18 14:54:32
96. Andrew Shimmin
Arizona should throw it to the guy with the hair. He seems to be really good at football.
2009-02-01 19:03:30
55.   underdog
I can't remember a SB with the number of boneheaded penalties this one's had. But it's also been pretty damned exciting.

That last play is really close. I thought his other foot didn't touch the ground once he had the ball, but so close I think they did right in not overruling such a big play.

2009-02-01 19:12:10
56.   Gen3Blue
43 I'm afraid it says somebody is going to get some love by providing a club for semi-retired oldsters. Does it mean they will get any breaks from the players union or their agents----NO!
2009-02-01 19:14:59
57.   Gen3Blue
If the Dodgers don't get a break from Boras soon,(and they have played his fool plenty), they ought to dump him and get Dunn or Abreu very soon.
2009-02-01 19:51:58
58.   Eric Enders
The cold open on The Office was spectacular.
2009-02-01 20:27:18
59.   underdog
Great SB game, great new Office episode, new Flight of the Conchords (which I haven't watched yet) -- great night!
2009-02-01 20:41:57
60.   Tripon
That was easily the best Office ep this season, and top 5 ever. BOOM ROASTED!
2009-02-01 20:49:43
61.   Andrew Shimmin
The movie clips did nothing for me (though I liked the premise for showing them), but the rest was excellent.
2009-02-01 20:50:47
62.   Alex41592
To continue the joyfest.

Office was incredible.

2009-02-01 21:14:50
63.   trainwreck
Great game, even though I was hoping the Cardinals would win.

You guys have a much different reaction to the Office than my friends I watched it with.

2009-02-01 21:28:10
64.   Bob Timmermann
The people I watched the Office with had never seen it before and didn't what it was about and they loved it.
2009-02-01 21:32:58
65.   underdog
I actually liked the Jack Black + Cloris Leachman "movie", too.
2009-02-01 21:34:33
66.   underdog
I didn't think I could find Mets fans any more annoying than I already did, but I stand corrected.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/mets/2009/02/million-manny-march-2.html

2009-02-01 21:36:26
67.   trainwreck
I think we were all disappointed Jessica Alba was in it for a second.
2009-02-01 21:41:39
68.   Gen3Blue
66 I'm afraid you do :0).
2009-02-01 21:44:58
69.   KG16
I'm a little bummed that I just got Showtime and am discovering The L Word in its final season. Helluva show.
2009-02-01 22:00:48
70.   trainwreck
LOL at the ending to Big Love.

That song will always make me think of Napoleon Dynamite.

2009-02-01 22:07:02
71.   trainwreck
Best opening to Flight of the Conchords ever.
2009-02-01 22:18:03
72.   Jon Weisman
Office was over the top but I loved it.
2009-02-01 22:23:44
73.   trainwreck
Charles Widmore is everywhere!!
2009-02-01 22:47:44
74.   bhsportsguy
72 And again, another marvelous performance by Steve Carell as the continuing development of Michael Scott goes on.

And how many times have you been in a situation with your girlfriend/wife where you have no idea what you said to someone that has caused her to react a certain way.

2009-02-01 23:05:32
75.   underdog
73 - Oh my god, that was him wasn't it? I had to squint at that actor, where do I know him...

Great episode to cap a great TV night.

--

And one more re: The Office, I can only hope that no cats were harmed in the making of that episode.

2009-02-01 23:09:24
76.   trainwreck
Yeah, that was a great episode of FOTC.

I thought Office was good, for a very casual watcher.

2009-02-01 23:13:31
77.   ToyCannon
Eric and I had a bet as to who would have won the MVP if Arizona had won. Any opinions?

BH was a good host, tri tip, ribs, carrot salad(no mayo), Chinese salad, Carrot Cake, stuffed mushrooms(Eric) and more.

I missed the start of the office so I guess I'll have to visit the Alec Baldwin site to view it. Didn't the roast seem tame? I expected the hammer but they used a rubber mallet.

So how many wifes turned to their husbands and asked them if they loved them like Jim loves Pam? I sensed a lot of uncomfortable households in America.

2009-02-01 23:14:01
78.   trainwreck
The Cardinals were two minutes away from being champions. I do not think enough is being talked about how crazy that is.

Plus, I will never understand the fumble vs an incompleted pass call in the NFL. Of course, I am a bitter Raiders fan.

2009-02-01 23:15:44
79.   trainwreck
77
I was disappointed that I did not get to see Creed roasting him.

Based on numbers, you would think Warner would get MVP for Cards, but I argued that the 100 yard interception TD was just too dumb of a play, so I would give it to Fitzgerald.

2009-02-01 23:17:13
80.   bhsportsguy
78 I thought of you when they showed the 3 Raider championship rings after a commercial break.
2009-02-01 23:19:44
81.   trainwreck
80
When did that happen? I totally missed that.
2009-02-01 23:22:44
82.   Bob Timmermann
I would have voted for Warner if Arizona had won. I wouldn't have held the interception against him.
2009-02-01 23:23:02
83.   trainwreck
Must have been during halftime show. We changed channel to the Puppy Bowl on Animal Planet half-way through.

I hope that is not a bannable offense here.

2009-02-01 23:35:32
84.   Icaros
83

The Kitten Halftime Show was good, too.

2009-02-01 23:43:44
85.   trainwreck
84
I guess we missed that one.

According to the guide, the Puppy Bowl was on for like 4 hours. If you watched the whole thing than you probably need see a therapist.

2009-02-01 23:48:00
86.   trainwreck
Dwight wearing the dummie's face was the best part of the Office for me.
2009-02-01 23:48:25
87.   trainwreck
*dummy's
2009-02-02 03:24:52
88.   Sam DC
Wouldn't watching four hours of the Puppy Bowl substitute for seeing a therapist?
2009-02-02 06:47:01
89.   Bob Hendley
Well, now that that stuff is over (full disclosure - bitter Raiders fan), when do pitchers and catchers report?
2009-02-02 07:11:55
90.   godvls
77 - Larry Fitzgerald
2009-02-02 07:37:09
91.   Bob Hendley
Uh oh. Looks like it going to be puppies unpetted and B. Timmermann too busy to post.

http://tinyurl.com/c2hja8

2009-02-02 07:45:08
92.   Gen3Blue
Lederer pins the tail on Heyman at BA.

http://tinyurl.com/gmnen

2009-02-02 07:47:15
93.   Xeifrank
Looks like a pretty good rain event for thursday thru saturday morning. No need to water this week.
vr, Xei
2009-02-02 08:05:08
94.   underdog
Happy Groundhog Day, everyone!

There is no way this winter is ever going to end as long as that groundhog keeps seeing his shadow. I don't see any way out of it. He's got to be stopped. And I have to stop him.

2009-02-02 08:12:12
95.   Daniel Zappala
Our DVR didn't record the entirety of The Office because DirecTV goes by the scheduled time rather than the actual time.
2009-02-02 08:13:10
96.   underdog
95 - Mine would've done the same thing, if I hadn't been home in time to see that things were running long on the SB and Tivo'd the show scheduled after The Office, so I could see the last ten mins, I would've been in same boat.
2009-02-02 08:13:33
97.   cargill06
Somehow the talking heads have came to conclusion that Ben is now an elite QB. I would have to disagree, he's only been a top 5 QB once since he's been in the league. Yes, he's still young and can get there someday. But you have to ask is he an elite talent or a good QB that was drafted into an extemely fortunate situation? I would say odds are if he was drafted by any other team than Pitt no one would be saying this. Therefore, he's not an elite talent. Just my $0.02.
2009-02-02 08:16:34
98.   Daniel Zappala
92 Heyman becomes a lot more interesting to read when you think of him as basically a front for Boras.
2009-02-02 08:19:56
99.   cargill06
77 Warner.
2009-02-02 08:26:53
100.   Gen3Blue
98 Yes he does. Of course I believe the whole story because I want to. But its also likely true.
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2009-02-02 08:30:24
101.   Howard Fox
78 I agree with you.

AZ came back from 13 down on the Steeler defense, AZ had a couple of great roal line stands, Warner threw for 344 yds and 3 TDs, a couple different times AZ receivers made Polamalu miss tackles and look like a rookie (in fact Warner had him looked off the plays all game), and Fitzgerald set the record for most receiving TDs in a postseason when he caught that 64 yarder.

Great win for Ben, great game for Holmes, but AZ needs to get credit.

2009-02-02 08:36:26
102.   cargill06
78 Keep in mind, if that last play was an incomplete pass there was a 15 yard Pitt penalty after the play. Arizona would've got an additional 15 yards closer.
2009-02-02 08:38:01
103.   Bob Timmermann
101
Don't tell Charles Pierce of Slate that the Cardinals should get any credit.
2009-02-02 08:46:41
104.   underdog
103 - I hope you learned your lesson: No more Slate sports pieces before bed (or after waking up).

92 That Heyman piece by Lederer was great. I can't believe there were two people defending Heyman in the comments there.

2009-02-02 08:48:42
105.   D4P
Heyman, Hey Man, Heyyyyyyyyyyyyy, Man,

He was a thief
You got to belief
He stole my heart and my cat

2009-02-02 08:57:41
106.   LogikReader
97

I half agree here, as a long-time Steeler fan.

With that said, I feel like Big Ben is on the fast track to becoming a Hall of Famer. Two things I'll always bring up when someone says "fortunate situation".

Big Ben gets NO help from his offensive line. Half the time he's out of the pocket with guys running right after him. If either of the Mannings or Tom Brady had that O-line, they would be finished. It's amazing how he can do so much with that bad of an offensive line, year after year.

If the Steelers ever focused one draft on O-linemen, we would be seeing some serious Steeler passing records broken. With all that said, for now, I say Big Ben is excellent on the Steelers, and overall, very good but not "best of all time" good... not yet.

Oh yes, one more point: Ben Roethlisberger has some very good WRs, but nothing near the talent that Warner has, Montana had, or Peyton Manning has. Brady is the exception, save 2007. That, of course, is why Brady is a LOCK for Canton, OH.

2009-02-02 09:00:04
107.   D4P
That, of course, is why Brady is a LOCK for Canton, OH

Spying on other teams doesn't hurt, either.

2009-02-02 09:11:12
108.   mwhite06
106 I'm not a Steelers fan and don't get a chance to watch many of their games, but it seems to me that Ben holds the ball way too long. Sure I guess you can blame some of that on his offensive line, but certain quarterbacks feel like they should never throw the ball away. It worked fine for Ben last night because Arizona's defense is poor, but teams that can adequately rush the passer (Giants/Tennessee) were effective against Pittsburgh. While I dont disagree that the Steelers line leaves something to be desired, I think alot of sacks are the fault of the QB.
2009-02-02 09:17:43
109.   kinbote
As an attempt to help speed along proceedings this spring, I will not make another comment until the Dodgers make a move that affects their current 25 man roster. Please resume normal conversations. :)
2009-02-02 09:24:18
110.   Bluebleeder87
Somebody has to tell Boros that Manny is 3 yrs from turning 40.
2009-02-02 09:26:47
111.   D4P
110
Boros would respond by telling us how well other players (such as Barry Bonds) performed at that age.
2009-02-02 09:27:33
112.   Bluebleeder87
We are what, 2 weeks away from the first SP game?

Woo

2009-02-02 09:29:01
113.   old dodger fan
110
Willie Mays at age 40:
136 games; OPS+ 158
2009-02-02 09:30:43
114.   cargill06
106 I agree with you that Ben will more than likely make the HOF. However, since he was drafted in 2004 Manning, Brady, Brees, McNabb, Romo, Rivers, and Warner have all had better QB ratings than him. Could you really say that someone who's been 8th best in the league since than is elite? Also, like 108 said his career sack % is 9.2% which I think is the highest of any active QB. While, they are not all his fault, I don't think he's helping out the O-Line very much.
2009-02-02 09:32:41
115.   Ken Noe
92 is excellent, I just love it when a writer lays out the evidence like that.
2009-02-02 09:34:36
116.   old dodger fan
114 Stats to determine individual performance and value are much more meaningful for BB players than FB. That's not to say they are meaningless, but how the people around you play impacts your stats much more in FB.
2009-02-02 09:35:08
117.   Bluebleeder87
Ethier's Arb case is this month.
2009-02-02 09:37:45
118.   cargill06
116 And that's another one of my points. Ben has always been put in ideal situations. They've always had great defense's and good running games (except this year). Most of his career all he's been asked to do is make a few plays and don't turn the ball over.
2009-02-02 09:38:57
119.   LogikReader
114 , 116

I can go either way on this. I also think Brees has amazing numbers and is playing HOF level football right now. I felt like Brees was the best QB in the NFL this year. He very rarely has a BAD, AWFUL game.

Otoh, Terry Bradshaw's numbers were pretty mediocre for half of his career, but I think most fans agree he deserves the vote into the Hall of Fame.

2009-02-02 09:41:08
120.   KG16
116 - I have to agree 100%. Every player on a football team is dependent on other players doing their job. Quarterbacks and running backs need offensive linemen to make blocks. Quarterbacks need receivers to catch balls. Receivers need quarterbacks to throw catchable balls (which requires linemen to make blocks). Linemen depend on other linemen to pick up their blocks and the quarterback and running back to take advantage of the time/holes created by the line men.

It's just as crazy and interdependent on the defensive side.

2009-02-02 09:42:02
121.   cargill06
118 I hope it doesn't come off that I'm trying to "hate" on Ben. I think the guy is a very good QB. I just think all the overreactions over last nights game are a little out of line.
2009-02-02 09:43:48
122.   Bob Timmermann
121
At least Roethlisberger wasn't ascribed Tim Tebow-like qualities.
2009-02-02 09:47:26
123.   ToyCannon
113
Willie Mays and Manny Ramirez have little in common other then when they stood in the batters box. You'd be hard pressed to find a one dimensional player like Manny who aged well after 35. Possible HOF like Frank Thomas and Sheffield are better comps. I have no doubt Manny can swing a potent bat for the next four years, getting him to the plate could prove to be problematic in the NL.
Just a quick list of RH players since 1970 who posted an OPS+ worth the money that Manny is asking from age 37 on who played in the NL since that makes a huge difference.
http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/MmA6
2009-02-02 09:50:36
124.   LogikReader
121 122

Agreed. It always annoys me when people overreact to a single game or single play.

The passage of time is a true test of greatness.

2009-02-02 09:55:02
125.   ToyCannon
Yeah, why should sports fans get excited about a single play like Gibby's home run. Keep it lowdown. It was just one play, big deal, no need to build a pedestal for one play. Not like those single plays of greatness won big games or anything.
2009-02-02 09:56:06
126.   ToyCannon
Looks like we finally have a good vote going on as Big D takes on Orel for the right to follow Koufax.
http://www.truebluela.com/2009/2/1/743546/the-all-time-la-dodger-tea
2009-02-02 09:57:42
127.   cargill06
125 I wasn't around but did people say afterwards he's maybe one of the greatest OF's to ever play the game?
2009-02-02 09:57:54
128.   silverwidow
112 First game is 2/25
2009-02-02 10:02:45
129.   LogikReader
125

I meant with respect to a guy's entire career. Not the play itself. Basically what cargill said in 127 .

2009-02-02 10:05:44
130.   cargill06
Speaking of FB stats. Why has pro-football-refence.com came up with QB rating+ yet? It seems so logical to do. I would have to think Montana would have the highest number in history.
2009-02-02 10:07:58
131.   old dodger fan
126 Somebody voted for Tom Candiotti. Has he got a cousin who posts here?
2009-02-02 10:10:55
132.   Bob Timmermann
130
You're in trouble now for mentioning a certain 49ers/Chiefs QB.

But not from me.

2009-02-02 10:13:20
133.   D4P
132
Did you forget that he also played for...NOTRE DAME...?
2009-02-02 10:19:17
134.   Xeifrank
It's difficult to compare/rate players in sports like football that are so team dependent. Basketball is difficult too, but seems like it has some better stats than football does for determining individual value. Perhaps football does too, I just never see these stats. Not only are QBs dependent upon the 10 other offensive players, but also the defense, the system they run, the stadium they play in etc...
What we need is a good football simulator!
vr, Xei
2009-02-02 10:19:21
135.   ToyCannon
131
Shockingly he was the best pitcher twice in 92/93 on the team. Some of our best like Ruess were never the best pitcher on the team. I liked Hooten but did not remember him being the best pitcher on the team. The fact he did it three teams really shocked me and two of those were world series teams.

We are always going to get some of those Shimmin votes but we hope the majority votes using the proper brain cells.

2009-02-02 10:34:08
136.   underdog
I voted for Drysdale in that #2 poll, though it was a sort of close call. As long as I can also then vote for Bulldog and Fernando in the subsequent polls... :-)
2009-02-02 10:46:07
137.   Tripon
The preliminary diagnosis is that Andrew Bynum has a sprained right knee and will miss the next six weeks.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2009/02/01/2009-02-01_lakers_visit_knicks_at_madison_square_ga-3.html

2009-02-02 10:48:31
138.   silverwidow
I think we might end up with Bobby Abreu; he might even take 1/$7M.

Would Abreu be willing to play LF or does Ethier have to move?

2009-02-02 10:49:27
139.   ToyCannon
137
Ouch, let's hope he recovers faster this year then last year.
2009-02-02 10:49:52
140.   cargill06
138 I think I remember reading he want's $16MM a year. But I would also like a free grand slam from Denny's.
2009-02-02 10:50:41
141.   KG16
127 - no, they didn't. But then again, that was before the Age of ESPN, in which hype and hyperbole are the standard. I wonder sometimes, what Dr J's standing would be if ESPN had been around at the height of his career.
2009-02-02 10:51:24
142.   KG16
140 - you can get a free grand slam at Denny's tomorrow. 6 am to 2 pm.
2009-02-02 10:52:04
143.   Xeifrank
137. With the added caveat that the MRI results are not in yet.
vr, Xei
2009-02-02 10:52:54
144.   fanerman
137 The next sentence:

But it could be longer, and the damage could be more serious, pending results of an MRI taken yesterday in Manhattan.

Where did they get 6 weeks out of? That number looks like it was taken out of a hat. I'm not going to believe anything until the MRI results are actually released.

2009-02-02 10:53:14
145.   Jacob Burch
140 I find it funny that on the Denny's main page, one of the few listed restrictions is:
*With exception of 350 Baker Blvd., Baker, CA
2009-02-02 10:59:46
146.   Kevin Lewis
I am pretty sure a free Grand Slam cannot even get me into the door of Denny's
2009-02-02 11:04:28
147.   ToyCannon
I love me the grand slam.
2009-02-02 11:07:11
148.   ToyCannon
Burrel may not seem like such a bargain by the time Abreu and Dunn sign given how their price seems to be dropping daily.
2009-02-02 11:12:29
149.   Andrew Shimmin
135- At-ti-ca! At-ti-ca!
2009-02-02 11:15:57
150.   silverwidow
Well, we've now seen a decade's worth of Super Bowls - clearly, the best two were:

#1 Giants vs. Patriots - SB XLII (2008)
#2 Rams vs. Titans - SB XXXIV (2000)

Yesterday's game was Top 5 worthy and Pats/Panthers from 2004 was also great.

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2009-02-02 11:22:28
151.   KG16
150 - I really didn't think that last year's Super Bowl was all that good. Not memorable anyway. The XXXIV was a great game, last night's game was incredible (particularly the second half).
2009-02-02 11:23:22
152.   Jon Weisman
NPUT
2009-02-02 11:34:01
153.   underdog
150 I'm admittedly biased but I'd put Broncos-Packers in that top 5, too.

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