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Pods Take Over the Pads
2005-06-13 09:21
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

The National League West-leading San Diego Padres have already lost more games in June than they did in May - and not by the hair of their chinny chin chins. Averaging 2.4 runs per game in June, San Diego has been outscored, 50-26. The Padres' OPS in the month is a woeful .610 - 29th in the majors - and dimensionally lower their opponents' .787. In May, San Diego won the OPS battle, .810 to .721.

The pitching, by the way, hasn't been that bad - a 4.06 ERA (0.05 lower than it was in May), led by Adam Eaton's 14 innings of two-run ball. All starting pitcher ERAs are below 4.00 except for Jake Peavy, who is likely to bounce back from a slow start to the month (five innings, four runs) and Darrell May, who isn't a regular member of the rotation. The bullpen hasn't had its best month, though.

I've never been enthralled with the 2005 Padre offense - guys like Phil Nevin and Sean Burroughs give up a lot of outs for what they get you - but this is a case of bad things coming in bunches. Like the Dodgers, they will eventually show that they are neither the 22-6 team of May nor the 3-8 team of June.
And we'll have ourselves a race.

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2005-06-14 10:18:01
1.   Steve Saxs Sweaty Jockstrap
I don't want to come off as overconfident, but the Padres and D-Smacks will both wilt as the long, hot summer wears them down.

Hey considering all the injuries we've had so far, I think we have hung in there pretty good. If we can get healthy, the division is ours.

Go Dodgers!

2005-06-14 10:34:24
2.   Berkeley Doug
#1 - I would agree about the Snakes, but I think the Padres have the pitching, especially relief pitching, to be a very competitive team all year.
2005-06-14 10:36:48
3.   Bob Timmermann
I would trust the Padres pen from top to bottom a lot more than the Dodgers.

The Padres hitters were red hot in May. And they're not in June. Like most things in baseball, the real performance is somewhere in between.

2005-06-14 10:44:18
4.   FirstMohican
Phil Jackson will be the next coach of the Lakers. Yes, things are looking up for Los Angeles sports.

While I wasn't necessarily sad to see Beltre go and Drew arrive, I was skeptical that the Dodger offense was at best would be comperable to last years' team.

This may have been mentioned already but in case it hasn't but this year they're ranked 7th in OPS @ 771 compared to 19th @ 755 last year.

Can't wait 'till the SD series.

2005-06-14 11:14:03
5.   Icaros
Steve is going to be pretty upset. He wanted the Dodgers to hire Phil Jackson.
2005-06-14 11:19:03
6.   db1022
#5 - How do you think the triangle would adapt to baseball? Ignore third base?
2005-06-14 11:21:35
7.   the OZ
I always thought the Phil's coaching strategy was sitting on the bench and doing nothing other than subbing for an obviously tired player.

That'd be a perfect fit for the Dodgers.

2005-06-14 11:23:39
8.   db1022
#2 - Padres need to add a starter even more than the Dodgers do. Dodgers, IMO, need another arm in the bullpen. I would think that bullpen arms would be easier to find than a starter, plus I think we are in more of a position to upgrade via trade (prospects, salary room). Therefore I see the Dodgers having a better chance to improve their roster than SD, which could be the difference.
2005-06-14 11:30:09
9.   Bob Timmermann
If Phil Jackson just sat back and did nothing why did he win the NBA championship with the Bulls when Doug Collins couldn't do it with almost the same roster?

Well, could be that Phil Jackson, unlike Doug Collins, is not an idiot.

2005-06-14 11:37:07
10.   db1022
#9 - I know this isn't a basketball chat, but my take on Phil is that he is a master of managing egos. This is such an underrated skill in professional sports, that when someone is proficient in it, it can translate into a hall of fame career. Joe Torre strikes me as being somewhat similar, although he did most of his winning prior to acquiring the big egos.
2005-06-14 11:38:07
11.   Icaros
From dodgers.com:

"Who is better than him?" Tracy said. "He's the best shortstop in the game. He does all the routine stuff, and all the remarkable stuff. He has a sixth sense about him. He's developed as a hitter to the point where he has become a force offensively on either side of the plate."

Does this mean that Izturis is now better than Miguel Tejada?

2005-06-14 11:41:24
12.   Berkeley Doug
#8 - Point well taken. Looking at each team's ERA for innings 1-6, SD is at 4.52 and LA is at 4.55, basically the same. But for innings 7+, SD is at 2.86 and LA is at 4.93 (ouch!). I definitely agree that LA is in a good position for upgrades via trade/taking on additional salary.
2005-06-14 11:41:58
13.   Icaros
I think managing egos is a bigger deal in basketball because the sport requires more cooperation to be successful. They actually have to pass to one another and communicate on defense.

Give me 8 selfish baseball players with a .950 OPS and I think they will still win more games than anybody else.

2005-06-14 11:42:58
14.   Berkeley Doug
#11 - It's funny that a couple of years ago, all the talk at SS was Jeter, ARod, and Nomar while nobody really mentioned Tejada and now he appears to be the best SS in the game.
2005-06-14 11:48:47
15.   Bob Timmermann
Baseball managers don't have to worry about sharing the ball.

Jim Tracy doesn't need to keep Jason Grabowski happy by making sure that the ball gets hit to him a lot.

2005-06-14 11:49:32
16.   molokai
Not that anyone cares but I play in a scoresheet league which takes the weekly numbers and cranks them through a simulation program and kicks out the results based on players on your team. I happen to have Choi and he hit 4 home runs for me in one game and won 3 out of the 6 simulation games all by himself. It even had Drew/Choi go back to back but it was Drew/Choi because I have Drew leading off.

I hope the Padres and Dodgers get hot during this roadtrip and create havok amoung the AL Central so that the homestand takes on a big tent event atmospere.

Depo = aggregate = he lost 9/10 of his readers.

2005-06-14 11:51:51
17.   Berkeley Doug
What is Hail Cesar's contract status? I hope Rollins at 5 years/$40 million doesn't set the market. IMHO, Hail Cesar is better than Rollins and should command a higher contract.
2005-06-14 11:53:56
18.   Icaros
Cesar signed a three-year extension this winter for a lot less than that Rollins contract.
2005-06-14 11:56:21
19.   Icaros
I forgot to add the adjectives "crazy, stupid, and ridiculous" to the Rollins contract.
2005-06-14 11:57:39
20.   brendan glynn
to bigcpa

I couldn't get on DT yesterday so wanted to answer your question # 36 from then.

I thought I was on camera the whole time but found out that I was about three or four seats off. That might be for the best because that orange is bright. I'll be sitting in dugout club again in August. Got the seats because a buddy of mine is a huge twins fan and he purchased them.

The lounge/bar downstairs is great. excellent service and a ton of dodger memorabilia (world series trophies, photo's, old equipment)

The chance to see Gagne that close (could see the threads on the ball) and Choi hitting three Hr's was a thrill. I recommend it, especially if you have an appetite to take advantage of the "free" food.

By the way, Brad Penny is purportedly dating Alyissa Milano. I'm an eyeball witness and confirmed by a bartender there. No wonder he changed his mind about wanting to stay in LA.

2005-06-14 11:57:44
21.   Berkeley Doug
#18 - Thanks.
2005-06-14 11:58:59
22.   Bob Timmermann
Perhaps Andy Murray could manager the Dodgers. It would keep him busy and keep Steve happy.
2005-06-14 12:00:21
23.   Berkeley Doug
#20 I would want to stay ANYWHERE to date Alyissa Milano.
2005-06-14 12:00:35
24.   Stefan
For what it's worth, as a Diamondbacks fan, I don't see the D-Backs fading immediately. The starting pitching has been about where we expected (though Estes has been better and Ortiz worse), as has the offense (Counsell, better; Green, until recently, worse). And the bullpen, our Achilles heel, has been beset by injuries.

Do I think the D-Backs will win the division? No. Do I think they're going to make the Dodgers and Padres sweat it before they do? Yes.

2005-06-14 12:07:02
25.   brendan glynn
#23

Penny: "Hmmm $30 Million and I can stay with Alyissa Milano. where do I sign, Paul?"

By the way I spoke to about 20 people in the dugout club and not one of them were season ticket holders.

It was all "A partner in my firm has tickets and couldn't use them etc."

Except on guy said he got his seats from Mary Hart. WTF?

2005-06-14 12:08:09
26.   Bob Timmermann
So Ms. Milano has dated Carl Pavano, Barry Zito and now Brad Penny?

He just doesn't seem the type. The first two guys would be considered a lot better looking than Penny I would think.

Somehow a pairing between a pudgy guy from Oklahoma and a longtime Hollywood actress seems doomed.

And then of course there is Ms. Milano's connection to Tony Danza, which makes everything tainted.

2005-06-14 12:13:34
27.   Linkmeister
I'll have to Google this actress, I suppose, but somebody clue me in on what film(s) she's been in.
2005-06-14 12:14:35
28.   Dodgerkid
Maybe she likes to play catch.

Re: Phil Jackson

The coach/manager of a team makes little difference. It's all about the players. No team can be built around a guard unless his name is Jordan. We need a big man at center and we don't have it. Lakers won't make the playoffs next year.

2005-06-14 12:16:00
29.   Icaros
Izturis's contract is for three years at $9.9 million.

Is there something about Jimmy Rollins that I am unaware of?

2005-06-14 12:16:58
30.   Icaros
Haha. I think Alyssa's best "film" was the sequel to Poison Ivy.
2005-06-14 12:17:00
31.   brendan glynn
Bob, that's what I thought at first but employees says she is there every other game and she was with someone who had to be Brad's brother or cousin because looked just like him minus the facial hair and 30 pounds. A younger brother. both waited for Brad after the game and greeted him warmly.

Maybe they became friends when she dated Pavano in Fla.
That's a somewhat common occurrence. date your buddy's ex-girlfriend. They could just be good friends but then Penny is an idiot if that's the case.

2005-06-14 12:18:44
32.   Berkeley Doug
#26 - You denigrate one of America's finest actors in Tony Danza? Star of the great show, "Taxi"? Just kidding about Tony Danza, not about the greatness of "Taxi".

Perhaps Penny and Milano will end up like the singer from the Cars, Ric Ocasek and the supermodel Paulina Porizkova.

2005-06-14 12:29:48
33.   Bob Timmermann
Penny is a good friend of Choi. So maybe she's got her eyes on Hee-Seop.
2005-06-14 12:30:01
34.   Landonkk
Good news regarding Cesar - He now the leading vote getter for NL SS's. About time.

(Is getter a word?)

2005-06-14 12:31:38
35.   Bob Timmermann
Vote-getter
2005-06-14 12:32:31
36.   Berkeley Doug
#33 Or if Choi prefers a fellow Asian, he could pursue Asst GM Kim Ng. It certainly would help ensure his spot on the roster.
2005-06-14 12:32:37
37.   Bob Timmermann
getter, n.

One who gets.

1. a. One who gets or obtains; esp. one who acquires wealth.

c1440 Promp. Parv. 192/1 Getare of goodys, adquisitor. c1510 BARCLAY Mirr. Gd. Manners (1570) Giv, Vile lucre..causeth the getter oft time his purpose ban. 1548 HALL Chron., Hen. V, 81 Experience teacheth that there is no lesse praise to be geuen to the keper then to the getter. 1596 BELL Surv. Popery I. II. iv. 84 After great getters come great spenders. 1667 J. CORBET Disc. Relig. Eng. 25 They are not the Great Wasters, but mostly in the number of Getters. 1707 ROWE Pythagoras' Gold. Vers. 44 Revolve the Getter's Joy and Loser's Pain, And think if it be worth thy while to gain. 1853 TRENCH Proverbs 141 Unrighteous gains are sure to disappoint the getter. 1880 L. WALLACE Ben-Hur 238 He will have need of getters and keepers.

b. One of a class of coal-miners. (Cf. also coal-getter, stone-getter.)

1839 URE Dict. Arts 979 (Pitcoal) The set who succeed the holers are called getters. 1871 Trans. Amer. Inst. Mining Eng. I. 305 Beginning at the far end of his work the getter knocks out or loosens the sprags that had protected the holers, retreating as he operates. 1883 Manch. Exam. 27 Nov. 5/5 The drawers at the Whinney Hill Pit..struck work for an advance of wages, and, as the getters can do nothing without the drawers, the mine is stopped.

c. A substance used to remove residual gas from an evacuated enclosure by chemical or other action. Also attrib. and Comb.

1922 Proc. Inst. Radio Engin. X. 469 By 'getter' we mean the substances such as phosphorus, arsenic, sulphur and so on. These substances, when applied to metals and volatilized by heating them, trap the gases. 1943 J. YARWOOD High Vacuum Technique iv. 38 These 'getters' during volatilization combine with the residual gases in the vessel and they are fixed as chemical compounds deposited on the walls of the tube. 1944 Light Metals Jan. 34/1 Getters are used in all radio valves..and in cathode-ray-oscillograph bulbs. 1959 New Scientist 26 Mar. 708//3 In other types of getter-ion pumps, the getter film is produced by sputteringthat is, by knocking atoms out of the bulk getter metal by bombarding it with the ions of the residual gas.

2. One who begets; a procreator, begetter (obs. exc. of horses); in 14th c. Sc., a parent.

c1375 Sc. Leg. Saints, Machor 116 It is mast sorow of ane barne to be fra e gettare sa tane. Ibid., Baptista 643 & e lofinge of his getteris Ine to fyfe thinge wele aperis. 1607 SHAKES. Cor. IV. v. 240 Peace is..a getter of more bastard Children, then warres a destroyer of men. 1632 SHERWOOD, A getter or begetter, engendreur. 1798 in Spirit Publ. Jrnls. (1799) II. 298 It is well known the getter of him [a charger] was engaged in almost every review during the last war.

3. In comb. with advs., as getter-on, getter-up; also getter to bed; getter-in (Agric.), ? a machine for reaping and binding.

1820 W. IRVING Sketch Bk. (1859) 54, I recognized in him a diligent getter-up of miscellaneous works. 1834 New Monthly Mag. XLII. 330 A getter-up of fights, a second of the fighters. 1837 Ibid. LI. 186 Sunshine for me..and gas-shine for late getters to bed. 1849 MARRYAT Valerie viii, Your aunt..has resided there..as a clear-starcher and getter-up of lace. 1866 Athenæum No. 2025. 208/1 A getter-on, born in the Glasgow gutter. 1873 H. SPENCER Stud. Sociol. xv. (1877) 363 Getters-up of bubble-companies. 1884 W. Sussex Gaz. 25 Sept., An American getter in.

2005-06-14 12:32:38
38.   Bob Timmermann
getter, n.

One who gets.

1. a. One who gets or obtains; esp. one who acquires wealth.

c1440 Promp. Parv. 192/1 Getare of goodys, adquisitor. c1510 BARCLAY Mirr. Gd. Manners (1570) Giv, Vile lucre..causeth the getter oft time his purpose ban. 1548 HALL Chron., Hen. V, 81 Experience teacheth that there is no lesse praise to be geuen to the keper then to the getter. 1596 BELL Surv. Popery I. II. iv. 84 After great getters come great spenders. 1667 J. CORBET Disc. Relig. Eng. 25 They are not the Great Wasters, but mostly in the number of Getters. 1707 ROWE Pythagoras' Gold. Vers. 44 Revolve the Getter's Joy and Loser's Pain, And think if it be worth thy while to gain. 1853 TRENCH Proverbs 141 Unrighteous gains are sure to disappoint the getter. 1880 L. WALLACE Ben-Hur 238 He will have need of getters and keepers.

b. One of a class of coal-miners. (Cf. also coal-getter, stone-getter.)

1839 URE Dict. Arts 979 (Pitcoal) The set who succeed the holers are called getters. 1871 Trans. Amer. Inst. Mining Eng. I. 305 Beginning at the far end of his work the getter knocks out or loosens the sprags that had protected the holers, retreating as he operates. 1883 Manch. Exam. 27 Nov. 5/5 The drawers at the Whinney Hill Pit..struck work for an advance of wages, and, as the getters can do nothing without the drawers, the mine is stopped.

c. A substance used to remove residual gas from an evacuated enclosure by chemical or other action. Also attrib. and Comb.

1922 Proc. Inst. Radio Engin. X. 469 By 'getter' we mean the substances such as phosphorus, arsenic, sulphur and so on. These substances, when applied to metals and volatilized by heating them, trap the gases. 1943 J. YARWOOD High Vacuum Technique iv. 38 These 'getters' during volatilization combine with the residual gases in the vessel and they are fixed as chemical compounds deposited on the walls of the tube. 1944 Light Metals Jan. 34/1 Getters are used in all radio valves..and in cathode-ray-oscillograph bulbs. 1959 New Scientist 26 Mar. 708//3 In other types of getter-ion pumps, the getter film is produced by sputteringthat is, by knocking atoms out of the bulk getter metal by bombarding it with the ions of the residual gas.

2. One who begets; a procreator, begetter (obs. exc. of horses); in 14th c. Sc., a parent.

c1375 Sc. Leg. Saints, Machor 116 It is mast sorow of ane barne to be fra e gettare sa tane. Ibid., Baptista 643 & e lofinge of his getteris Ine to fyfe thinge wele aperis. 1607 SHAKES. Cor. IV. v. 240 Peace is..a getter of more bastard Children, then warres a destroyer of men. 1632 SHERWOOD, A getter or begetter, engendreur. 1798 in Spirit Publ. Jrnls. (1799) II. 298 It is well known the getter of him [a charger] was engaged in almost every review during the last war.

3. In comb. with advs., as getter-on, getter-up; also getter to bed; getter-in (Agric.), ? a machine for reaping and binding.

1820 W. IRVING Sketch Bk. (1859) 54, I recognized in him a diligent getter-up of miscellaneous works. 1834 New Monthly Mag. XLII. 330 A getter-up of fights, a second of the fighters. 1837 Ibid. LI. 186 Sunshine for me..and gas-shine for late getters to bed. 1849 MARRYAT Valerie viii, Your aunt..has resided there..as a clear-starcher and getter-up of lace. 1866 Athenæum No. 2025. 208/1 A getter-on, born in the Glasgow gutter. 1873 H. SPENCER Stud. Sociol. xv. (1877) 363 Getters-up of bubble-companies. 1884 W. Sussex Gaz. 25 Sept., An American getter in.

2005-06-14 12:33:14
39.   Bob Timmermann
That was a bad one to screw up with.
2005-06-14 12:34:55
40.   Icaros
Your coolness ratio just took a really big hit there, Bob.
2005-06-14 12:36:11
41.   Bob Timmermann
How about if I do a rendition of Marvin Gaye's "Let's getter on".
2005-06-14 12:38:35
42.   Landonkk
Thanks, Bob.

Thanks, Bob.

You're still cool in my eyes.

2005-06-14 12:38:37
43.   Icaros
Yeah, go ahead and post an MP3.
2005-06-14 12:41:53
44.   adg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alyssa_Milano
2005-06-14 12:43:34
45.   Colorado Blue
#16: I hope the Padres and Dodgers get hot during this roadtrip and create havok amoung the AL Central so that the homestand takes on a big tent event atmospere.

I vote for the Padres tanking and the Dodgers getting hot...

2005-06-14 12:58:51
46.   FirstMohican
Re 28 - "Lakers won't make the playoffs next year."

First off, the Lakers would've made it had they had Rudy T all year. Second, I'll send you my bank account's routing number if they DON'T make the playoffs in 2006. (Of course, if the "inevitable" lockout allowes for a playoff)

2005-06-14 12:59:08
47.   aloofman
I'm also a bit worried about the Padres. It could be a really tough race.

But at least I'm finally sure that the Giants are out of it. Their record and injury status make it almost certain that they can't get back in it even if Bonds plays like gangbusters for the last two months of the season. Their front office seems resigned to rebuilding.

2005-06-14 13:08:01
48.   Bob Timmermann
Bonds' return for 2005 seems even more remote since his doctor told him to ease off on his rehab because he was unsure of how it would affect his infection.

2005 is going to test the amiability of Kuiper and Krukow.

2005-06-14 13:19:57
49.   the OZ
Good work, everyone! The Venezuelan gambit appears to have worked!

http://tinyurl.com/domer

2005-06-14 13:20:24
50.   FirstMohican
Re 47 - "Their front office seems resigned to rebuilding."

The feeling I got from the front office statements was that they were going to make moves for this year. But the point brought up in #48 would make a focus on next year make more sense.

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2005-06-14 13:27:44
51.   Bob Timmermann
Brian Sabean is a genius. Or so I've been told. But I don't what sort of bargaining chips he has. And the Giants have a lot of holes. And are very old.

It's not an enviable position to be in.

2005-06-14 13:33:57
52.   db1022
#26 - Wait a minute. The mystery Dodger that Alyssa Milano is dating is Brad Penny? This has been a rumor since the season started, but no one could pinpoint who the player was. Most figured it was Jason Repko. I am floored (well, not really).

#47 - Dodgers and Padres seem to close to call. Loretta appears to be their only key injury. Dodgers need Milton back, quickly. Seems like its going to boil down to who can make that impact move in the next 6 weeks.

#50 - Giants seem to be all over the place. That Hawkins move was atrocious. Now they're talking about not picking Jason Schmidt's option up for next year. You would assume they would move him this year then (not to SD please). And if I were SF, I'd do everything in my power to get Anaheim to give me Ervin Santana and Casey Kotchman for Barry Bonds.

#28 - Lakers will be more competitive if they trade Odom and/or Butler for some more complementary stars/role players.

Phew, I'm caught up. Thanks for listening.

2005-06-14 13:34:16
53.   Fearing Blue
The new Baseball Prospectus Hit List rankings came out today. The Padres have fallen to #13 and the Dodgers have moved up to #18:

http://tinyurl.com/8tt5t

I calculated the average team rank for each division, as a way to rate division quality. Here are the results:

1) NL East - 11.2
2) AL Central - 13.2
3) NL Central - 14.8
4) AL West - 15.8
5) AL East - 16.2
6) NL West - 22.0

Tthe difference between the top division and the 5th division (5.0) is less than the difference between the 5th and 6th (5.8). Go NL West!

2005-06-14 13:36:41
54.   Fearing Blue
#52: Re: Dodgers vs. Padres. It will also come to down to who can stay healthy, a battle the Dodgers have lost so far.
2005-06-14 13:41:10
55.   db1022
#54 - But with such a flexible roster, if someone were to go down (starter, reliever, position player) I think we could go out and get a replacement. Obviously, the timing of the injury is key. And that injury does not happen to Cesar Izturis (not their best player, not their MVP, just their most irreplaceable player).
2005-06-14 13:58:01
56.   Fearing Blue
#55: I agree. Not only do we have greater roster flexibility, we have better replacement-type players available. But, if we keep out DL'ing them at our current rate (8 - 5), it's going to be tough to keep up.

I've been having an internal debate as to who was the most "irreplaceable" position player on the team for a while. I go back and forth between Izturis and Kent. If either of them goes down, Perez would likely shift over to fill in. If Perez is playing SS, you're probably not losing much offense, but you're losing a ton of defense. If Perez is playing 2B, you're losing a ton of offense, but probably not much defense. My current viewpoint is that losing the offense, and thus Kent, would be more damaging, especially considering Izturis' recent slump. Hopefully, we don't have to consider either scenario.

2005-06-14 14:35:44
57.   jasonungar05
Perez will be the eighth Dodgers player to join the 51s this season for a Major League rehab assignment.

Brad Penny
Wilson Alvarez
Antonio Perez
Jayson Werth
Eric Gagné
Jason Grabowski
Elmer Dessens

and were only 2.5 out!

2005-06-14 14:37:47
58.   Steve
GET ME SABEAN!
2005-06-14 14:44:59
59.   Jon Weisman
Hi - To reduce browser refreshing, I'm moving the open chat to the newest thread up top (unless you want to comment on this specific post).
2005-06-14 15:04:23
60.   brendan glynn
#52

All you needed was access to the Dugout Club, I guess.

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