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Hochevar in Omaha
2005-06-17 11:52
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Top Dodger draft pick Luke Hochevar is pitching for Tennessee right now in the opening game of the College World Series.

Hochevar's last start

Comments (56)
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2005-06-17 12:20:07
1.   fanerman91
Anybody watching this game (is it televised)? How does he look? 2 runs (1 earned) through 3 innings.
2005-06-17 12:28:36
2.   Bob Timmermann
All games in the CWS are on ESPN or ESPN2
2005-06-17 12:31:07
3.   fanerman91
So how are you Bob? You seem to be the only one here right now. What's new?
2005-06-17 12:31:49
4.   Bob Timmermann
I'm hungry.

But Icaros ate all my food in my place yesterday.

2005-06-17 12:35:26
5.   fanerman91
Haha. Perhaps you should try finding his house and pay him back in kind. If he has any pets, you can prepare a glorious feast for him.
2005-06-17 12:38:05
6.   Bob Timmermann
Hochevar gave up a run in the first so he should fit in nicely with the Dodger staff.
2005-06-17 12:38:54
7.   fanerman91
Maybe he's conditioning himself, knowing what's to be expected of him if/when he makes it to the bigs.
2005-06-17 12:43:38
8.   Im So Blue
I just tuned in. In the 4th, Hochevar had a Derek Lowe kind of day. His infield failed him, he got rattled and walked a guy on 4 pitches. Then there was a misplay on a double-play ball, and a run scored. He managed to get out of the inning giving up 2 runs. So it's FL 4, TN 0
2005-06-17 12:44:29
9.   Jon Weisman
Sorry I can't write more today.

Maybe each run Hochevar gives up today saves the Dodgers 10 or 100 grand, and we should root against him.

2005-06-17 12:48:44
11.   Bob Timmermann
I have to follow the CWS online and that website seems to update things about 5-10 minutes after the fact.
2005-06-17 12:53:38
12.   fanerman91
Well Bob, I'm just getting my updates for you, so there's an even bigger delay for me.
2005-06-17 12:55:24
13.   Bob Timmermann
From where I sit, it's the top of the 5th and Tennessee has 1st and 2nd with one out.

In reality, this game could be in the 8th.

2005-06-17 12:59:36
14.   Bob Timmermann
4-1 Florida after an error by the left fielder and a sac fly gave Tennessee a run.

The Vols have an Eli Iorg on the team and I'm betting that he's related to Garth or Dane.

2005-06-17 13:04:59
15.   Dodgerkid
Is Karros commentating?
2005-06-17 13:11:46
16.   Im So Blue
15 Yep, that's Karros.

Iorg just made his 2nd great catch in the outfield. For the 3rd out, he made a leaping catch at the wall and saved a grand slam.

2005-06-17 13:12:19
17.   Bob Timmermann
Perhaps Eric can talk about how his UCLA baseball teams never made it to Omaha.

UCLA has gone twice and is 0-4.
It's really hard to be a UCLA baseball fan because the team has lots of great players, but underachieves to extreme levels.

Yes, I know that's contradictory.

2005-06-17 13:13:27
18.   Langhorne
Iorg just robbed Florida of a grand slam for the last out of the inning. Vols down 5-1.
2005-06-17 13:14:10
19.   Bob Timmermann
I'm hungry and I doubt I'm going to go eat lunch at any place showing the CWS.

But I will survive

2005-06-17 13:16:46
20.   fanerman91
There are worse things than missing a guy named Iorg may 4-run saving playings.

Besides, food is satisfying in itself. Like me and my buddy say, "It's not a coincidence that food and good are exactly one letter apart."

2005-06-17 13:26:53
21.   Fearing Blue
Hello all. I just tuned into the game (and the thread). I was off on a wild VORP chase (results posted on other thread). It doesn't look good (Tennessee down 6-1). But as Jon said, this may save us some cash in the long run.
2005-06-17 13:44:13
22.   Sushirabbit
I have to root for UT, my alma mater. The pitch counts on all these guys are pretty extreme. UT's made some pretty big comebacks before so I am still hopeful.

My home network (comcast) is botched... well I am changing out the gateway for a wireless gateway (linksys) but the modem seesm to have gone on blink and I don't have time to fool with it. But I still don't like wither of the reds mentioned, any other trade rumors?

2005-06-17 13:45:59
23.   the OZ
Fearing, I dropped a suggestion for you in the other thread. Good work.
2005-06-17 13:58:06
24.   Jay Jaffe
Iorg is Garth's son, he's got a brother playing in the Braves' iorganization and another playing at Alabama.
2005-06-17 14:12:37
25.   LAT
#21 "this may save us some cash in the long run"
I'm sure Boras will come up with some theory as to why Hochevar's getting lit up makes him worthy of a $4M signing bonus.

LA Times extra depressing today. 3 Dodger articles: (1) recap of last night's lousy game; (2) some piece by Plashke asserting that trading Paul Quantrill caused Tracy to over-use Gagne and put him on the DL this year. That and forcing Gagne to go three innings against SD last year. Did Plashke forget the guy used to be a starter and go 6 or 7 innings? Not to mention, in typical Plashke fashion, the article is critical of Management for over-using Gagne and others but then calls our pitchers pu**ies becasue none of them have gone 250 innings like Oral or Fatnando ; (3) worst of all, LA Times reports Weaver would "love to" sign extension with Dodgers. Augh!!! Come on Jeff, make your parents proud. Go join your brother.

2005-06-17 14:15:58
26.   Bob Timmermann
Plaschke lost me at the beginning with this:
"When taking the mound for his first game this spring, baseball's toughest pitcher didn't swagger, he limped.

Why didn't I scream about the limp?

When throwing his first pitch to an opposing hitter this spring, baseball's most fearless pitcher didn't fling, he lobbed.

Why didn't I rail about the lob?"

It's all your fault, Bill. It's all your fault. Save us Obi-Wan Plaschke, you're our only hope!

2005-06-17 14:17:13
27.   molokai
Nothing against Hochevar but I was hoping for the Vol's to lose last week. After that 136 pitch count I'd rather he finish his college career ASAP. Considering the Dodger luck this year I expect we won't get a quick signing of Hochevar and he probably doesn't need to be pitching anymore this year anyway.

Looks like quite a mismatch tonight with Houlton going against Buehle.

2005-06-17 14:19:19
28.   LAT
I also had a hard time following the article. I never cared for his writing style but always assumed it was a matter of taste. After today I decided its just plain bad.
2005-06-17 14:22:30
29.   LAT
Buehrle is due to blow up but I guess you could say the same about DJ's Ishi-like tightrope act.
2005-06-17 14:23:15
30.   Bob Timmermann
Perhaps someone should tell Plaschke that some people just get hurt no matter what.

A pitcher getting an arm injury! Stop the presses! That's never happened before in the history of the sport! It's so rare when a good pitcher comes down with an arm injury! If only Plaschke had complained more, then Gagne's elbow wouldn't hurt.

I'm taking the Steve approach and I really have to think that this piece today by Plaschke was a pile of ................................

Sorry. Keeping it it PG here.

2005-06-17 14:24:51
31.   gvette
Plaschke's follow up columns may include why he should have warned the Captain of the Titanic about all that ice, and the commander of the Pacific Fleet in 1941 about all those Japanese planes at Pearl Harbor.
This guy never stops.
2005-06-17 14:31:58
32.   Icaros
Sorry about eating all your food, Bob. But my place is being remodeled to go on the market and I had nowhere to go.

I told Marty that I'd be stopping by his place tonight.

Hopefully Adam Dunn and Aaron Harang will be in Dodgers uniforms by then.

2005-06-17 14:34:44
33.   Bob Timmermann
Remember his column from early in the year when he graded the Dodgers on how many of the changes he suggested in a 2004 column?
2005-06-17 14:38:28
34.   jasonungar05
If Plasche was in Denver, he would still be writing about how the Broncos overused Terell Davis.
2005-06-17 14:38:28
35.   GoBears
My favorite part about the "Gagne was overused" theory is that he pitched EXACTLY the same number of innings last year as the year before, and the year before that. So the entire "argument" rests on that one 3-inning appearance, when Dreifort had to get the save (a noble exit).

See, this is why I don't read Plaschke or the Times at all. I have you guys to point out the comically stupid parts, and I don't have to suffer through any of it first hand.

2005-06-17 14:39:16
36.   gvette
The Golden Rule for the Dodgers;WWPD

What Would Plaschke Do

2005-06-17 14:39:34
37.   GoBears
re 34: I'm pretty sure Plaschke and Woody Paige are ugly twins separated at birth, so Denver has it's own version.
2005-06-17 14:44:50
38.   Bob Timmermann
Can you picture a 1966 version of Plaschke writing about Koufax retiring?

The mind reels.

"I should have complained about Koufax throwing that devastating curve ball and told him to just throw fast balls. I can't believe I forgot about that.

But this never would have happened if the Dodgers hadn't have traded Stan Williams after the 1962 season."

Or even Drysdale retiring in 1969.

2005-06-17 14:45:33
39.   Jon Weisman
As far as the Mota trade affecting Gagne, once again, I point to this:

http://dodgerthoughts.baseballtoaster.com/archives/15741.html

As far as Plaschke's "why didn't I scream" about Gagne's altered mechanics, the fact is, many of us did.

http://dodgerthoughts.baseballtoaster.com/archives/158816.html

2005-06-17 14:47:45
40.   Bunting is for losers
"But, counting Darren Dreifort, the el-blowed Dodgers have now had two of them."

This was my favorite Plaschke quote. Talk about jumping to conclusions. Uh, I didn't know he was a doctor and already knew Gagne needed Tommy John again. What a moron.

2005-06-17 14:49:46
41.   Bob Timmermann
But our screams don't count as much as Plaschke's.

We signify something, but we don't have the sound and fury. Unlike Plaschke who has the reverse.

2005-06-17 14:49:48
42.   fanerman91
Well, on the bright side, our Ghame Over(TM) shirts will be make sense once again.
2005-06-17 14:51:16
43.   fanerman91
Oops. No "be" in that last sentence.
2005-06-17 14:51:41
44.   Bunting is for losers
Nice. Good ol' Macbeth.
2005-06-17 14:52:33
45.   Bob Timmermann
In unrelated news, Brendan Donnelly got a 10-game suspension for his pine-tarrish glove, which he is appealling.

Scioscia and Robinson were both suspended one game. Robinson is appealling, which is odd because I thought managers couldn't appeal.

Maybe Robinson doesn't like the choice of movies on the hotel cable system in Arlington.

2005-06-17 14:58:17
46.   fanerman91
How was lunch, Bob?
2005-06-17 14:58:32
47.   Rich Lederer
Maybe Robinson doesn't like the choice of movies on the hotel cable system in Arlington.

Now THAT is funny!

2005-06-17 15:06:49
48.   Bob Timmermann
All Robinson could find were highlight films of the 1961, 1969, 1971 and 2002 World Series.
2005-06-17 15:11:05
49.   gvette
Bob,I missed it (lot of depositions this week) but I assume you made the obligatory; "I can't believe the Dodgers gave away Doyle Alexander for a washed up Frank Robinson in 1972" comment.

If so, like Gilda Radner used to say, "Never mind."

2005-06-17 15:15:19
50.   Bob Timmermann
No, I didn't make any references to Doyle Alexander!

I'm moving on to different straw men to knock down.

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2005-06-17 15:16:02
51.   Jon Weisman
Game chat is open.
2005-06-17 15:21:14
52.   LAT
How come there isn't more horror over the "Weaver Ready to Extend Deal" headline.

I have had it with this guy. I am sure he will have some good stretches before the year is out but his talent is dwarfed by his pea brain and inablity to concentrate for 2 hours. Is Ridilin a banned substance?

2005-06-17 15:26:29
53.   Jon Weisman
52 - Personally, I just don't remotely believe it would happen.
2005-06-17 15:31:30
54.   fanerman91
So is all this talk of an extension coming from the just Weaver camp or have the Dodgers said anything back? Is it like Green's "I want to be a Dodger for life" shpeel? I'd rather it be the former. Unless it turns out Ridilin is not a banndh substance. If (and probably only if) Weaver was our #5 pitcher, we'd have an excellent rotation.
2005-06-17 15:35:38
55.   Jon Weisman
Well, there's no way Weaver today would command an extension at the salary he is currently getting. And I doubt there's any way that he would want to negotiate a paycut today.

So at best for him, I see him going the Odalis Perez route (free agent who might return to the Dodgers if they can't find anyone else). More likely, I see him going somewhere near but perhaps shy of the Jose Lima route.

2005-06-17 15:37:25
56.   LAT
But Weaver is already a blond (in so many ways).
2005-06-17 15:44:19
57.   Bob Timmermann
The world will get to watch Weaver in the Sunday night game. That will be interesting.

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