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September 23 Stretch Run Chat
2006-09-23 17:30
by Jon Weisman

Phillies 8, Marlins 6

Pirates at Padres, 7:05 p.m.

Diamondbacks at Dodgers, 7:10 p.m.

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Comments (290)
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2006-09-23 17:36:22
1.   Bob Timmermann
I will proudly wear the checkered jersey at Chavez Ravine tonight.

Barring some very unforeseen events, such as the Dodgers making the World Series, this will be my last trip to Dodger Stadium in 2006.

2006-09-23 17:47:11
2.   das411
Have fun Bob!

..does anybody else have this back-of-the-brain feeling that last night may go down in history as the end of the Cardinal mini-dynasty?

2006-09-23 17:51:35
3.   JoeyP
Dbax have scored 1 run in their last 20 innings.
2006-09-23 17:52:33
4.   Bob Timmermann
Then they're due!

What about the Giants pitching? Only six runs so far tonight.

2006-09-23 17:55:09
5.   trainwreck
This is not a good way to start the second half.
2006-09-23 18:01:07
6.   Marty
Michigan State slapping Notre Dame around. 17-0
2006-09-23 18:05:32
7.   Bluebleeder87
let's just play quality ball & let everything fall in to place.
2006-09-23 18:26:28
8.   caseybarker
Topiggyback from the last thread, I hope Marlon Anderson has a chance to become Jim Leyritz-like in October.
2006-09-23 18:28:40
9.   Bluebleeder87
8

i don't wanna go the baby shower!! iggyback from last thread

2006-09-23 18:34:40
10.   Bluebleeder87
i'll be going inside my buddy's house once in a while to check on the score.
2006-09-23 18:36:51
11.   Andrew Shimmin
In the history of the world, has anybody, ever, wanted to go to a baby shower?
2006-09-23 18:49:39
12.   thinkingblue
I guess Andre Etheir's luck has ran out in terms of BABIP?
2006-09-23 18:51:08
13.   Bluebleeder87
11

NO!! but they force us to!

2006-09-23 18:51:27
14.   trainwreck
So much for UCLA being ranked.
2006-09-23 18:53:45
15.   trainwreck
I am going to have to follow Dodger game online, because I will be watching UFC and hopefully seeing BJ Penn knock Matt Hughes out!
2006-09-23 18:54:41
16.   Greg Brock
Maybe all my friends are actually right. Karl Dorrell may actually be slightly mentally retarded.

I didn't want to believe it.

2006-09-23 18:55:09
17.   Bluebleeder87
15 i'm gonna be in a baby shower, & pretend my life is great.
2006-09-23 18:56:19
18.   trainwreck
16
I held my tongue about Dorrell needing to be on the hot-seat, but he needs to be on the hot-seat.
2006-09-23 18:56:56
19.   Vaudeville Villain
Notre Dame is getting wiped out, he says with absolutely no hint of schadenfreude.
2006-09-23 18:57:35
20.   Greg Brock
18 It's not a matter of the "Hot Seat." It's a matter of "Does he have extra chromosomes?"

Seriously, he very well may have mental deficiencies.

2006-09-23 18:57:37
21.   Bluebleeder87
17

people will believe me because i sale my product very well.

2006-09-23 18:58:59
22.   gpellamjr
19 The Germans have a word for everything.
2006-09-23 19:01:13
23.   trainwreck
Sigh...

I was hoping we would go to Eugene undefeated.

2006-09-23 19:02:27
24.   D4P
The Germans have a word for everything

Alles...?

2006-09-23 19:04:59
25.   Bluebleeder87
24

claro que si?

2006-09-23 19:05:06
26.   Vaudeville Villain
It must be pretty tough to go from Heisman talk, to being the subject of message board threads like, "Brady Quinn = Rick Mirer."
2006-09-23 19:05:24
27.   gpellamjr
24 I didn't say, "The Germans have a word for 'everything'."
2006-09-23 19:07:55
28.   Johnny Nucleo
22 That's because the grammar of German allows you to create wordsthatjustpileuplikeatrainwreck.
2006-09-23 19:08:21
29.   gpellamjr
And my love affair with those hateful Astros continues...
2006-09-23 19:10:48
30.   Gen3Blue
I'm back Uber alles.
I've haven't been as involved it a pennant race in 15-20 years. I think I can take it, where my younger self couldn't.
2006-09-23 19:12:15
31.   Gen3Blue
it = in , sorry
2006-09-23 19:12:31
32.   Bluebleeder87
30

these days are what us baseball fans live for gen3blue

2006-09-23 19:15:20
33.   Gen3Blue
Indeed!
2006-09-23 19:15:32
34.   bhsportsguy
St. Louis loses another in the 9th, they are lucky that the Reds couldn't beat anyone in the NL West or else they would be in second.
2006-09-23 19:16:46
35.   Gen3Blue
He had it stolen all the way, but nice throw by Martin just the same.
2006-09-23 19:17:34
36.   bhsportsguy
Penny is just a different experience than the Lowe and Maddux.
2006-09-23 19:17:35
37.   thinkblue0
Tracy is sitting Bay tonight.

Man, he's still hurtin' us.

2006-09-23 19:18:18
38.   regfairfield
34 Trading away the team certainly didn't help them either.
2006-09-23 19:20:00
39.   regfairfield
Well, this certainly isn't a good thing.
2006-09-23 19:20:21
40.   gpellamjr
Oh geez. Does this count as a mound visit?
2006-09-23 19:20:48
41.   Dodger Hill
Anybody else happy right now that the Phils traded Bobby Abreu?
2006-09-23 19:22:29
42.   gpellamjr
41 Abreu's power and plate discipline were just holding them back.
2006-09-23 19:22:47
43.   Bluebleeder87
i'm off to distination BS, see you guys soon, i'm hoping for a good pitched game from Penny. good nite everybody.
2006-09-23 19:23:15
44.   Vaudeville Villain
38-

I can't believe how stupid that trade was. I love how the Baseball Tonight people are all in shock, like, "Cincinatti's GM went out and made moves that fixed the bullpen! How could they fall out of the race?"

It's amazing how much mainstream baseball commentary overrates relief. Karl Ravech actually tried to argue that Mariano Rivera should be the AL Cy Young winner, and that Trevor Hoffman was more valuable to the Padres than Jake Peavy.

2006-09-23 19:23:34
45.   Gagne55
The Pirates have an early lead. Arrrr!!!!
2006-09-23 19:23:36
46.   Bluebleeder87
40

before i go, what happend!!?

2006-09-23 19:24:24
47.   Vaudeville Villain
46-

Injury concerns, but it looks like he's okay.

2006-09-23 19:24:52
48.   bhsportsguy
44 There is no question that quality relief is very important, it is just hard to trade for it because it is so unpredictable.
2006-09-23 19:25:07
49.   Gagne55
42 Abreu doesn't have much power. Plate discipline yes.
2006-09-23 19:25:36
50.   bhsportsguy
BTW if you frequent UCLA fan sites, you might want to stay away for about.....a month.
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2006-09-23 19:26:20
51.   micktissue
To borrow from my Irish in-laws: COME ON YE BOYS IN BLUE!!!!!!
2006-09-23 19:26:20
52.   Dodger Hill
The Phils are 12 and 5 this month. If they win the wild card a friend of mine from Philly will never let me hear the end of it.
2006-09-23 19:26:21
53.   Gagne55
Is Penny hurt? The Cal Poly dorms don't get FSN2. :-(
2006-09-23 19:27:14
54.   micktissue
Swipe it Rahpi!!!
2006-09-23 19:27:20
55.   bhsportsguy
53 No, he says he was fine.
2006-09-23 19:27:40
56.   Terry A
In the interest of full disclosure, I must admit that my angst and anger at the Rafael Furcal signing has abated.
2006-09-23 19:27:49
57.   Vaudeville Villain
48-

Yes, but one reliever is rarely as important as one starter, which is the point.

Arguing that Mariano Rivera is more important, then say, Johan Santana is pretty crazy.

2006-09-23 19:27:51
58.   Gagne55
Raffy!!!
2006-09-23 19:28:12
59.   bhsportsguy
54 I have not seen a stranger spelling of his name yet.
2006-09-23 19:28:39
60.   Vaudeville Villain
Kenny Lofton just bunted on a 3-1 count. Don't think I've ever seen that.
2006-09-23 19:28:48
61.   Gagne55
Does anybody have Furcal's splits for first at bats. It seems like he always gets on base leading off the game. And has quite a bit more power too.
2006-09-23 19:29:37
62.   bhsportsguy
57 There is no question that the most valuable Yankee for the last ten years in Mariano Rivera but I don't think that is the case this year.
2006-09-23 19:29:41
63.   regfairfield
48 Which is why Mariano Rivera is so valuable. He shouldn't be the Cy Young, but he's still really important.

I don't understand why teams haven't figured this out. All they should have to do is realize that there are five guys out there right now that have been closing for any substantial period of time, and one of them is Bob Wickman. (Rivera, Hoffman, Wagner, and Isringhausen are the other four, I might be missing someone.) This alone should be enough to make people realize that they shouldn't trade for mediocre relievers.

2006-09-23 19:30:07
64.   Gagne55
Nomar in the first inning on the other hand seems to do worse.
2006-09-23 19:31:01
65.   Gagne55
yeah Lofton. Steal those bases.
2006-09-23 19:31:27
66.   Gagne55
keep Nomar from hitting into a DP
2006-09-23 19:31:52
67.   Gagne55
In play, run scoring play. :D
2006-09-23 19:31:58
68.   bhsportsguy
That was barely fair, Bob is waving his jersey.
2006-09-23 19:32:18
69.   Gagne55
and... it's a double. :D
2006-09-23 19:32:22
70.   Vaudeville Villain
I think Miguel Batista is thinking about the impending release of his novel more than pitching.
2006-09-23 19:32:29
71.   StolenMonkey86
Nomar!

Is that Johnny Estrada or Mike Piazza?

2006-09-23 19:33:13
72.   Gen3Blue
I guess I am OK with only playing veterans during the playoff run, as long as that doesn't ness. include Lugo and Betemit, and as long as they win. Other than that, absolutely no qualifications.
2006-09-23 19:33:16
73.   Gagne55
Pitch 1 - In play, out(s) recorded

Kent!!!!!! >:o

2006-09-23 19:33:16
74.   Terry A
Those watching this game on TV: Does Nomar look hobbled by the leg injury?
2006-09-23 19:33:20
75.   regfairfield
Furcal is hitting .301/.373/.440 in his first at bat. Pretty much what he's doing overall.
2006-09-23 19:33:26
76.   Mark Joseph
Win expectancy:

From 59% after Penny closed out the 1st inning, to 63% when Furcal singled, to 67% when he stole 2nd, to 70% when Lofton singled, to 74% when Lofton stole 2nd to 81% after Nomar's hit, and back to 79% after Kent's out. Nice!

2006-09-23 19:34:03
77.   Gagne55
Drew is gonna walk.
2006-09-23 19:34:21
78.   bhsportsguy
Drew is really swinging a good bat right now.
2006-09-23 19:35:05
79.   Gagne55
77 by walk I ment double
2006-09-23 19:35:13
80.   Dodger Hill
Maybe we can put this one to bed early tonight
2006-09-23 19:35:43
81.   micktissue
61

According to mlb.com Furcal is batting .313 and OBP is .355 when leading off.

2006-09-23 19:35:58
82.   Gagne55
Does anybody else think that betemit and Anderson look like brothers?
2006-09-23 19:36:33
83.   Terry A
80 - How are things in Mt. Home (or is it Mt. View)? Get much water today?
2006-09-23 19:36:52
84.   bhsportsguy
Here is that man again.
2006-09-23 19:37:03
85.   Gagne55
dreaded in play out recorded
2006-09-23 19:37:12
86.   micktissue
Oh, duh ... in his first at bat! He always leads off - I'm such a fool!
2006-09-23 19:38:11
87.   das411
52 - Hi. :-D

63 - Reg, Isringhausen is out for the season with some hip problem, the Cards have Braden Looper closing these days. Thus the losing streak.

Meanwhile I wonder how long it will be before Philly sports writers realize that JD Drew is the only person keeping the Dodgers in the Wild Card race...

2006-09-23 19:38:15
88.   Dodger Hill
Vinny just nicknamed Marlon Anderson Merlin
2006-09-23 19:38:34
89.   bhsportsguy
First early lead in this homestand.
2006-09-23 19:38:47
90.   Gagne55
And it's only a 3 run lead after an inning of play. Penny better keep the r in his first name. ;-)
2006-09-23 19:39:26
91.   Terry A
Isringhausen wasn't exactly a pillar in that bullpen; Cards fans were calling for his head before doctors came calling for his hip.
2006-09-23 19:39:29
92.   Dodger Hill
83. Mt. View. Yes, we got a lot of rain but not nearly as much as a couple of counties east of here
2006-09-23 19:39:33
93.   Vaudeville Villain
87-

With his lack of clutch? Ha! Surely you jest.

2006-09-23 19:39:33
94.   bhsportsguy
The Dodgers and Padres have better records than the Cardinals. Now Cardinals have to keep winning as their nemesis, the Astros are suddenly hot.
2006-09-23 19:40:18
95.   spacebrother
88
If Anderson keeps it up, everyone will call him "Merlin."
2006-09-23 19:41:32
96.   Gen3Blue
If Penny gets out of the 2nd with less than 45 pitches we could pull this off.
2006-09-23 19:41:49
97.   Terry A
92 - Yes, the reports I got today (in Greene County) were very frightening. Sounds like Sharp County is a disaster area tonight.
2006-09-23 19:44:14
98.   Dodger Hill
97. Sharp county got more than ten inches of rain and that was last night. I don't know how much they got today. Reports are that they have been working around the to fish people out of trees
2006-09-23 19:44:43
99.   Vaudeville Villain
Man, Brad Penny, what's the deal?
2006-09-23 19:45:17
100.   StolenMonkey86
87 - We could call him the energizer bunny!
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2006-09-23 19:46:56
101.   StolenMonkey86
well that sucked.
2006-09-23 19:47:29
102.   Greg Brock
Don't worry, Brad. You could give up seven runs tonight, and you'll still be more beloved than Karl Dorell.
2006-09-23 19:47:44
103.   Terry A
98 - I heard the same thing, plus a host of "rural legend" stories about missing people swept away in Spring River's overflow. I hope those rumors prove untrue.
2006-09-23 19:48:05
104.   JoeyP
With the pitcher on deck and 1st base open, you cant give the #8 hitter anything good to hit.

That was a grievous mental mistake by Penny, in an important Dodger game.

Very disappointing.

2006-09-23 19:48:11
105.   Mark Joseph
4 strikeout in an inning alert!
2006-09-23 19:48:44
106.   Terry A
Hey, lay off Penny. He could record four strikeouts this inning!
2006-09-23 19:49:45
107.   Terry A
Because of past rules violations, my posts have a 35-second delay. I actually posted that before Mark Joseph!
2006-09-23 19:49:48
108.   Dodger Hill
103. Well, there have been a few confirmed deaths but I don't know if any of those are from Sharp
2006-09-23 19:50:22
109.   Mark Joseph
Done! Of course, win expectancy is down to 58%.
2006-09-23 19:50:45
110.   JoeyP
Plus Brad's on his 21 pitches per inning pace. So getting 6 innings tonite would be an accomplishment.
2006-09-23 19:53:03
111.   Terry A
Well, he needed 12 just to strike out the side!
2006-09-23 19:53:20
112.   Mark Joseph
Vin just said that the last Dodger pitcher to strike out 4 in an inning was Darren Dreifort, three years ago. I'm amazed that he could go that long--might have been a full 10 or 12 minutes--without tearing something.
2006-09-23 19:55:12
113.   JoeyP
Piazza 1st pitch hacking, flies to right and strands the bases loaded.

Still 1-0 pirates.

2006-09-23 19:56:06
114.   thinkblue0
I can't understand for the life of me why we still sacrifice...especially since penny is a good hitter for a pitcher.

The bunt is simply a lost art....it's gotten to the point that it's not even worth having your pitcher sacrifice...just let him swing away and hope something good happens.

2006-09-23 19:56:48
115.   Gen3Blue
Come on Russell, you can't catch 120 games and steal bases.
What the hell --we are tied?- what happened.
Hve we got a bad Penny tonight?
2006-09-23 19:56:48
116.   Mark Joseph
How bad was that bunt? Win expectancy dropped from 63.9% to 58.6%. Followed by the DP dropping it to 54.3%.
2006-09-23 19:57:13
117.   adraymond
Hmmm. That was dumb Brad.
2006-09-23 19:57:22
118.   gpellamjr
114 I've never understood why pitchers almost invariably have to be such bad hitters. It seems like they can practice their swings during the offseason.
2006-09-23 19:57:41
119.   bhsportsguy
Brad and Russ had a bad inning.
2006-09-23 19:58:33
120.   Dodger Hill
Be right back. I'm gonna grab so Maalox to go along with Penny's preformance.
2006-09-23 19:58:36
121.   xaphor
Penny was entranced by what appeared to be a picnic blanket floating in the stands.
2006-09-23 19:58:39
122.   bhsportsguy
118 Most teams don't even like to have their pitchers take BP, it is just a necessary evil of being in the NL.
2006-09-23 20:00:55
123.   bhsportsguy
Penny has the best stuff of any Dodger pitcher but he is still a thrower, until he becomes a pitcher, he will always have pitch count trouble.
2006-09-23 20:01:43
124.   Gen3Blue
80 I was afraid that was optimistic.
96 It was too close for this prediction to have much value.
2006-09-23 20:03:59
125.   bhsportsguy
He really needs to get that breaking ball down.
2006-09-23 20:04:15
126.   regfairfield
118 Because everyone except pitchers are in the league because they can hit.
2006-09-23 20:08:15
127.   Dodger Hill
Chug, chug, chug.
2006-09-23 20:10:14
128.   Claire Malone-Evans
They better put in Hendrickson,before this game gets out of hand.
2006-09-23 20:10:54
129.   JoeyP
67 pitches through 3ip for Penny.
2006-09-23 20:11:22
130.   StolenMonkey86
128 - 67 pitches through 3, they'll have to do something
2006-09-23 20:12:43
131.   MMSMikey
i'd rather see kuo in a playoff game than penny.
2006-09-23 20:13:35
132.   Nagman
Watching Penny pitch lately makes me have Kaz Ishii flashbacks. Really, he takes all the fun out of watching a baseball game.
2006-09-23 20:13:39
133.   bhsportsguy
I'm not sure what it is, teams decide that they are going to take pitches and just hope he burns out.
2006-09-23 20:14:31
134.   MMSMikey
its easy what it is. he throws straight fastball 95% of the time and they just foul him off.
2006-09-23 20:16:32
135.   bhsportsguy
I still think we can come back if Penny can make it out the next 2 innings.
2006-09-23 20:18:03
136.   MMSMikey
he we go.
2006-09-23 20:18:23
137.   JoeyP
Be interesting to see if any of the Dbax swing before Penny gets a strike over these next two innings. If they have smart at bats, he'll struggle to get through 5.
2006-09-23 20:20:15
138.   JoeyP
Batista would have been better off just standing there.
2006-09-23 20:21:26
139.   MMSMikey
0-2 pitch, shot up the middle. get him out.
2006-09-23 20:21:34
140.   overkill94
It is so hard watching Penny pitch these days
2006-09-23 20:22:07
141.   thinkblue88
Whatever happend to Penny's "splitter"?
2006-09-23 20:22:38
142.   bhsportsguy
137 Penny will have one of those games in his career when he has everything going probably pitch a no-hitter but otherwise he will have games like this.
2006-09-23 20:22:53
143.   overkill94
What really worries me is that Penny is throwing a lot of fastballs 90-91 right now. What was his injury in the 1st inning?
2006-09-23 20:23:41
144.   MMSMikey
now grady, before its too late.
2006-09-23 20:24:36
145.   MMSMikey
i'd rather see penny throw 92-93 and locate than 97-98 right down the middle.
2006-09-23 20:25:07
146.   JoeyP
Penny can get out Gonzo.
Gonzo has been very unclutch this year.
2006-09-23 20:26:08
147.   spacebrother
Here it comes: "In play. Run scoring play."

cringe

2006-09-23 20:27:10
148.   gpellamjr
Triplets mentions: 2
2006-09-23 20:27:20
149.   regfairfield
The struggles of Penny really highlights sample size. Imagine if the season had gone backwards. Penny would be banished to the bullpen for putting up a 6 ERA and possibly traded for Elmer Dessens. Andre Ethier is never given a chance because he starts off his career 2 for 30 or whatever he's at right now, and Nomar as seen as a spectular failure.

Meanwhile, Rafael Furcal enters the premature talk for MVP, and JD Drew doesn't recieve quite as much grief because he hits .265/.400/.502 in the first half, and

2006-09-23 20:28:32
150.   regfairfield
149 There was nothing left there, I just accidentally trailed off.