Okay, probably not.

WWSH

I don't feel much of a sting from our exit as it was fully deserved. To beat the Mets we had to play to our capabilities and we didn't hence the Mets were able to get by relatively cheaply. If anything the tables are now turned and the Mets must realize that the level of play that got them past us is not going to bare fruit against the Cardinals.

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gringos i tell ya! ;o)

anybody but NY!!

I have thought about several orgs. I have worked for, and in every case several people on the D's would have been fired immediately. I will think about this.

Will the Mets and Cards both outscore the Raiders?

what's a Raiders?

it's that bad, wow.

Just ONE thing resulting in ONE more Dodger win would have meant playing St. Louis in the first round.

Who knows what might have happened then? Yeah, the Dodgers were 0for the season vs. the Cards. So we probably were due....

still not smoking Andrew?

Which is more than I can say for some people.

By "The Office" I assume you mean "Becker"

"I don't like strikeouts," he said. "I'd give up home runs for (fewer) strikeouts."

We had the 4th fewest K's in the league- 15th in HR- need an OF. I smell a trading partner. Ethier + ____ = Dunn?

Trading 30 HRs for 125 Ks (plus more since you're proposing a package) is just not a good idea. Especially when Ethier and Dunn had an identical OBP and were only .013 apart on SLG. Not to mention a .074 difference in batting average.

If I were so inclined, I would just pour the free liquor and get ready for the flight home.

do you say free liquor!

I disagree. Striking out requires a minimum of 3 pitches from the pitcher, often more. Guys like Dunn who strike out a lot and walk a lot force the pitcher to throw a lot of pitches, which helps tire the pitcher out faster and helps Dunn's teammates see the pitcher's repertoire. Dunn is routinely among the league leaders in P/PA, and has a career average of 4.24

Seeing a lot of pitches (even if you strike out) may not get a fancy productive out name like "Olney," but it can make a positive contribution nonetheless.

40 Hr's, 100 walks, right around 100 rbi's, every year.

I think I'm the only guy here in a UCLA sweatshirt that's done yeoman duty on this trip and a Team South Africa Cap.

Go Fighters!!

if we did get Dunn & his K's i'd be banned from Dodger thoughts for cursing to much.

The only downside is that Bob might not get to see another run at the LOB record.

57 - the home runs are impressive, sure, but the Dodgers proved this year that you don't need them to win. And while he goes for 40 HRs, 100 BB, and 100 RBIs (a number that is inflated because of his 40 HRs), he's a career .245 hitter and has had more strikeouts than hits every season of his career.

Not directly, but long ABs likely have a positive impact on scoring runs later in the game. If you only compare strikeouts to other kinds of outs (e.g. groundouts and flyouts) and conclude that the latter are unambiguously better than the former, without also looking at P/PA, you are likely missing an important aspect of the whole picture.

Taking 10 pitches to strikeout may very well be more "productive" than grounding out on the first pitch.

I don't think we should give up too much for him, but if Colletti can use his dumpster diving predilection for good, instead of evil, why not?

Hafner
Ortiz
Giambi
Beltran
Howard
Thome
Pujols
Man Ram
Berkman
Dunn

Most of these characters make $15-19M and/or are 30+. And this is Dunn in an off year. Last year he was 2nd in the majors.

For the strikeout haters- here are the top 10 this year in K's:

Dunn
Howard
Granderson
Hall
Soriano
Bay
Sexson
Sizemore
Peralta
Swisher

Again hardly an unproductive bunch. Howard is only a week younger than Dunn. Did anyone complain about his 181 K's this year?

Unless, you're playing devil's advocate, in which case, you're still wrong, because Dunn mashes.

Ethier hit .360 on balls in play this year. Dunn hit .278. So this discrepancy would only get wider. In 2005 Dunn put up 7.5 RC/27 sandwiched between Cabrera and Berkman at 16th in the majors. The guy is instant offense. Bat him 5th behind Drew/Kent and let him mash.

In other words, increasing Ks has no effect on runs scored, and decreasing Ks has no effect on runs scored. They appear to be independent of one another.

Nomar (6.5) - fewest k's
Pierre (4.8)
LoDuca (5.4)
T Walker (5.3)
Eckstein (4.5)
Hatteberg (6.2)
Lofton (5.3)
Johjima (5.2)
Vidro (4.8)
Pujols! (9.9)

i wouldn't give up some top notch rook pitchers for him.

You also have to factor in the one swing, three runs that a masher like Dunn provides. I really don't care if somebody thinks a bases empty single is better than a walk. It's not.

productive outs don't exist to you Xeifank?

IMO he's a legit power bat

As far as OBP goes, I must admit, I'm still rather new to understanding a lot of the more "non-traditional" stats (I know what they mean) but I don't know what's poor/average/good. Is a career .380 OBP really that good? More importantly, looking at the trend line, Dunn's OBP has been slipping since he became a full time player (his .400 OBP year he only played 116 games instead of the 160 he's averaged the rest of the way).

By the way, I heard a rumor that only one of the eight teams in the playoffs this year had a park factor over 1.00. No points for guessing which one.

However, if you strike out, you can't ground into a double play, which is far more costly at .839 runs. So, if a guy strikes out 150 less times, but grounds into 10 more double plays (which seems likely) then they've cancelled each other out. So, overall, I'd say both types of outs are about the same in the end.

Dunn's batting average fluctuates a lot, but his peripherals are pretty strong. This was an off year for him. Could be the beginning of the end, or it could just be an off year.

#9: J.D. Drew 21 (near his career year)
#10 Adam Dunn 20 (in a down year)

Is his 1B defense anywhere near as bad? How bad is Loney's LF?

I hope so.

metric schmetric trust your baseball mojo.

Using the assumption that BABIP should be .120+line drive percentage, his BABIP should have been .355, not .278. He actually had far more line drives this year, than in years past. If you just assume that those hits would have been singles, Dunn's line improves to .276/.399/.532. Since it's Adam Dunn, there's probably more doubles in there, to improve the slugging.

SABR vs. Metric Schmetric

I'm assuming you're talking about Ethier.

OPS 87%
SLG 73%
OBP 64%
AVG 45%
2B 25%
K's 0%

So when Krivsky says he wants to trade off power if he can cut down team strikeouts, we should be beating down his door to get some of those .900 OPS, 190 K guys he has for sale.

but he can steal you a base & has a bullet for an arm

#1 Slugging
#2 OBP
#3 Really cool batting stance
#4 Does he watch "The Office"
#5 Home Runs
#6 Prefers The Godfather to Godfather II
#7 Stolen base %

It ranks at # 53

In layman's terms, BA has no impact on Runs Scored when OBP and SLG are controlled for. And, SLG has a greater impact on Runs Scored than OBP. The latter is a surprising finding, given Depo's well-known belief that OBP is 3 times more important than SLG...

looking cool while striking out is Dunn's middle name.

Even if it did matter, it's never more important that watching The Office. Back me up on this, Andrew.

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Pearson's r correlations for 2006, with Runs Scored:

IsoP: .632
OBP: .800

In other words, there is a stronger correlation between OBP and Runs than IsoP and Runs.

IsoP?

obp = on base per.

Somebody get Bill James on the phone.

(.8 squared is .64...)

No, the numbers support your hypothesis that OBP correlates more strongly with Runs than does IsoP

150- I'm still not sure that I'm not cheating, but, close enough.

I came early to enjoy the comforts of the airport lounge! I've had THREE Diet Pepsis now. I think I may go check to see if they've put any cookies out.

I have some eel in my carryon luggage.

Mmm... eel.....

2002- obp 70% slg 83%, ops 87%
2003- obp 84% slg 90%, ops 95%
2004- obp 77% slg 86%, ops 94%
2005- obp 61% slg 62%, ops 77%
2006- obp 64% slg 73%, ops 87%

So yeah OPS always wins, but as I recall for individuals isoP has much higher predictability year-over-year than isoD.

They look tasty. They were out of the wasabi potato chips. Now that is some fine eating!

I'll take my Protein Berry Pizzazz, thank you very much...

Stan from Tacoma

If a player like that has ever really existed, he certainly didn't last long in the league.

Also, I demand satisfaction from the Devil Rays. They must give us Carl Crawford.

But eh, I use to be the conductor of the dunn train but id rather want a player with more qualities then what Dunn has demonstrated.

We're telling you that the correlation between water and wet is .923

Thanks to Regfairfield for the help on that.

Although I'm not too sure that the acumen you describe has anything to do with math.

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This thread presents run correlations over a 42 year period. There you see SLG does correlate higher than OBP as well.

However, Ferell has said there will be a third movie in his "Idiot" trilogy, which will, undoubtedly be called "Something: The Something of Something."

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anchorman was good, the nascar wasnt that funny.

Jon has told you this before. Your pleas go unanswered.

197 John C. Reilly was the original Champ Kind in Anchorman, but had prior commitments.

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As a parting shot here are the words of super-star Demi Schwarzenegger: 'I love xeifrank? Yes! Hurray for xeifrank!'

One season...Ouch, Mr. Sorkin.

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Furthermore, do any of you guys ever park on Stadium Way outside of the Stadium? The walk is comparable to ones you might make from poorer spots in the lot and the downhill walk past all the traffic is invigorating to the tune of $10.

you don't pay anything if you park outside Dodger stadium.

Freakin' Joe Horn... grumble... mumble... Oh well, I take consolation in knowing that they have a bye next week so he wouldn't have helped then anyway, and will just as likely revert to his near-slumbering state again soon.

Chalk up another one for the terrorists...

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Aye... Let us destroy them.

Has this news made it to DT yet? -- Steve Henson (LA Times) reported that Marc DelPiano (Boston, Florida) and DeJon Watson (Cleveland, Cincinnati) have been interviewed for the job as Dodgers farm director, industry sources said, joining internal candidates John Shoemaker and Chris Haydock.

With the success that Shoemaker has had as a coach, I wouldn't mind seeing him stay in that capacity with an eye on the LA helm in 5+ years.

I guess that's the way it probably should, and used to, go with most teams. It would make even greater sense if Grady can't get that Billz, Martin, Loney, Kemp, LaRoche group over the hump and Shoemaker comes in and rallies them to another title, however more prestigious.

Discuss!

I don't think Steve will ever let you forget.

Yeah, I heard a rumor to that effect...

Stan from Tacoma

Oh, speaking of rumors, I heard that Yahoo says that Google says that MSN reported that the Dodgers reported that they might sign a free agent in the off season. No word yet on whether that free agent will be overpriced or not.

I guess the White Sox will be looking for a new SS. Bring on the A-Rod rumors.

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Mike Tyson said fans should not expect much of a fight when he steps back into the ring

The fact that he will make millions doing this is beyond ridiculous.

Wrong Chicago team...

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Cubs reportedly pay Lou $10 million for three years. That's $10 M too much and three years too long. His track record without A-Rod, the Big Unit and Jr. is suspect. I guess the Cubs wanted to make a splash but wouldn't that money be better spent on someone who actually picks up a bat and is not a screaming lunatic?

252. I agree. The manager in baseball really doesn't do all that much. Not like there are a lot of plays or formations to figure out. I would be really pissed if Frank spent $3M on a manager becasue that's money that could have been used to fuel the ten-thousandth Adam Dunn debate.

Are we stuck on 9,999...?

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I bet Ned does too, though he'd never admit it

What the deuce? Am I still reading the footy tabloids? I suppose if Piniella is going to do the GM's job as well he might be worth the 3 million per.

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Links to the Dodger Stadium/Cornfield site mentioned in the LAT.

Would AROD play ss for the Cubs? If so, who would play 3b?

I think Betemit would be a good choice for the Cubs at third.

Betemit and Penny for Rich Hill.

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'Right now, I'm still trying to determine how I feel,'' Saito
said. ''I'm excited about a new feeling of winning and experiencing a
different kind of joy.''

Saito referred to fulfilling his dream of playing in the major
leagues, saying, ''The majors have provided me with a stage where I
can play baseball with passion.''