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Pac-10 Opening Night Hoops Chat
2006-12-28 18:11
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

I don't know - I just kinda felt like doing this.

Scoreboard

Still, Pac-10 hoops in December is like having real MLB games in March - which means I'm not exactly sure how to react.

Of course, baseball chat remains welcome!

Comments (96)
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2006-12-28 18:30:11
1.   trainwreck
Woo Hoo! Nice idea Jon.

Let the Pac-10 season begin. Pac-10 football has been painful!

2006-12-28 18:31:18
2.   trainwreck
ZIto apparently has a full no trade clause. This makes the contract even dumber.

http://tinyurl.com/yfysl2

Sabean is so terrible.

2006-12-28 18:34:08
3.   trainwreck
Arizona is shooting 72% from the floor in the first half.
2006-12-28 18:45:28
4.   Bob Timmermann
UNLV is not following ESPN's script for the further deification of Bob Knight.
2006-12-28 18:54:49
5.   Vishal
there's not a lot of defense being played in arizona, it seems.
2006-12-28 18:55:35
6.   Marty
4 teams in the top 20. Not bad.
2006-12-28 18:57:20
7.   Vishal
also, zito to the giants is very upsetting to me. i'm sitting here in my zito jersey t-shirt in dismay.
2006-12-28 18:58:07
8.   trainwreck
At least Cal has a chance to win the football game.
2006-12-28 19:07:55
9.   Bob Timmermann
It could be that the only Pac-10 team to win a bowl game this season will be Oregon State.

If anyone is interested in joining me for any games of the Pac-10 basketball tournament, drop me an e-mail.

It's March 7-10 and you usually can get decent seats at Staples for some of the early sessions. Or we can split up an all sessions package. Nothing is more exciting than the 7 vs. 10 game!

2006-12-28 19:09:08
10.   trainwreck
Josh (NJ): Rob, do you think the Zito deal makes teams like the Mets look bad for not landing the guy, or lets them off the hook because they would never offer that kind of money?

Rob Neyer: The ONLY thing this deal does is make the Giants look ridiculous. Granted, Zito's ERA will get a boost from the National League and the Giants' home ballpark. And this one isn't as dumb as the Mike Hampton deal with the Rockies. But based on the facts at hand, this looks to me like one of the dumber free-agent signings ever. Zito just isn't very good. And if he's worth $18 million per season, Santana's worth $25 million.

2006-12-28 19:12:44
11.   Bob Timmermann
Texas A&M's punter just had a zero yardage punt. And it was not blocked. I have never seen that at the college level.

High school, a bunch of times.

2006-12-28 19:13:53
12.   trainwreck
USC is favored by 3.5 against the Huskies tonight. Gamblers, place your bets!
2006-12-28 19:18:38
13.   Bob Timmermann
Marshawn Lynch just got called for a reverse Charles White. The officials ruled a fumble when he really scored while diving over the goal line.
2006-12-28 19:19:30
14.   Bob Timmermann
Justice prevails in San Diego.
2006-12-28 19:22:50
15.   Marty
USC is favored? Isn't Washington ranked?
2006-12-28 19:23:56
16.   trainwreck
I am going to have to wait till 1:00am to watch the Washington/USC game.
2006-12-28 19:24:15
17.   Bob Timmermann
Washington is the #14 team in the country.
2006-12-28 19:25:05
18.   Bob Timmermann
16
So when they read off the score will you just cover your ears and go "BLAH BLAH BLAH!"
2006-12-28 19:25:20
19.   trainwreck
15
Yeah and are way more talented. I do not get it much myself. I think Washington is going to be UCLA's toughest challenge in the Pac-10.
2006-12-28 19:25:33
20.   StolenMonkey86
2 - Glossy pages. Stay away from glossy pages!
2006-12-28 19:26:11
21.   trainwreck
18
No, I do not mind knowing what is going on. I just want to see the game.
2006-12-28 19:26:50
22.   Vishal
after being down by 25 most of the game, i'm surprised cal only lost by 9 to AZ.

at least they're winning the football game.

2006-12-28 19:27:13
23.   Jon Weisman
Galen Center is an intimidating place!
2006-12-28 19:28:49
24.   StolenMonkey86
23 - But does Galen Center intimidate more than glossy pages?
2006-12-28 19:30:35
25.   Marty
That must be it
2006-12-28 19:31:04
26.   Marty
They don't call it the Galen Center for nothing.
2006-12-28 19:32:58
27.   trainwreck
DT meet Derek Low.
2006-12-28 19:34:44
28.   Bob Timmermann
USC has just one loss at the Galen Center. It was against their only good opponent at home so far: South Carolina.
2006-12-28 19:35:02
29.   trainwreck
Excuse me, Derrick Low.
2006-12-28 19:40:22
30.   Ken Arneson
26 The word "Galen" in Swedish means "crazy".
2006-12-28 19:43:56
31.   Vishal
wow, 4th and 1 on the a&m 4-yd line and tedford actually went for it. that's a good sign. perhaps he's learning from pete carroll not to be so conservative.
2006-12-28 19:45:22
32.   Marty
30 There you go!
2006-12-28 19:49:13
33.   trainwreck
What a terrible start for UCLA. Aboya and Roll both have 2 fouls. Washington St. is awesome defensively.
2006-12-28 19:55:47
34.   trainwreck
Aboya has 3 now. Wow, complete defensive domination.
2006-12-28 20:18:35
35.   Jon Weisman
Three cheers for Stanford: 1-8 in Pac-10 football, 1-0 in Pac-10 basketball!
2006-12-28 20:19:36
36.   trainwreck
We are fouling like it is going out of style.
2006-12-28 20:21:41
37.   D4P
35
1.5 cheers per victory!
2006-12-28 20:36:54
38.   trainwreck
Alright Bruins, time to start running some real team offense. Get some penetration and get the ball in the low post.
2006-12-28 20:42:42
39.   overkill94
22 Looks like the scrubs choked it in the late minutes, they seem to have still had a 26-point lead when the starters were yanked (at least that's what I'm gathering from ESPN's play-by-play).
2006-12-28 20:46:07
40.   Bob Timmermann
You know before this season started, I didn't think Washington State was a good team, but now it's clear that they are the best team in the Pac-10.
2006-12-28 20:49:56
41.   trainwreck
Shipp is reaching Brian Morrison levels in terms of annoying me with his shot selection.
2006-12-28 20:55:45
42.   Vishal
that holiday bowl made me very happy.
2006-12-28 20:57:48
43.   Bob Timmermann
USC is covering the spread against Washington!
2006-12-28 21:00:43
44.   Bumsrap
Does a senior running back that doesn't get many carries during the year, I assume that was the case, want to score a touchdown perhaps in his last game he will ever play and in a Bowl game? Yes.

Is letting him do so more positive than taking a knee so the opposing coach will feel better losing by 7 fewer points? Yes.

In the end the Cal coach cared more about himself than his players. Other than that it is a big thank you Cal for finally getting a Pac10 win in a Bowl game this season.

2006-12-28 21:03:11
45.   trainwreck
Finally some defensive intensity.
2006-12-28 21:03:45
46.   Bob Timmermann
Brian Schutte had 2 carries in the regular season for 16 yards.

He is a redshirt freshman, not a senior.

2006-12-28 21:06:25
47.   Bumsrap
Now that the Mets and Rangers are without Zito, does that drive up the value of Penny?

Now that the Giants have spent $126M on one player does that encourage Colletti to trade for AROD to again match his thinking with his old boss?

2006-12-28 21:07:49
48.   Bob Timmermann
Does Washington State have the largest uniform numerals of any college basketball team?

Each one is bigger than David Eckstein.

2006-12-28 21:08:36
49.   trainwreck
Penny for Milledge and Heilman!
2006-12-28 21:09:21
50.   Bumsrap
46. Two carries all year long and a freshman--you know he wanted that touchdown. It was a run up the middle, not a sweep or bootleg, or even a pass. A conservative play that A&M knew was coming. I still say I am OK with running it in. How about you.
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2006-12-28 21:09:56
51.   trainwreck
This has been a horribly officiated game.
2006-12-28 21:10:26
52.   Bumsrap
49. I would rather have Rios. I can't seem to warm up to Milledge.
2006-12-28 21:10:58
53.   Bob Timmermann
I doubt Cal has to worry much about facing the wrath of Dennis Franchione in the future. The Bears got the ball at the 5-yard line.
2006-12-28 21:13:25
54.   Bumsrap
What is the UCLA score anybody?
2006-12-28 21:14:32
55.   Bob Timmermann
There is a link to a scoreboard at the top.

Presently, UCLA and Wazzu are tied at 45.

2006-12-28 21:30:29
56.   trainwreck
Way to prove me wrong USC.
2006-12-28 21:33:26
57.   Bob Timmermann
I was somehow expecting Washington State to run a much better play than that.
2006-12-28 21:34:57
58.   trainwreck
Feeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwww
2006-12-28 21:35:49
59.   Bob Timmermann
58
No, that's the Gonzaga coach.
2006-12-28 21:36:02
60.   trainwreck
I knew that was coming.
2006-12-28 21:37:53
61.   Bob Timmermann
Free basketball at the Galen Center!
2006-12-28 21:38:45
62.   trainwreck
Pheeeeewwwwwwww
2006-12-28 21:47:16
63.   Bob Timmermann
I prefer
Wheeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwww
2006-12-28 21:55:42
64.   Bob Timmermann
Yowza!
2006-12-28 21:57:55
65.   trainwreck
2nd OT. Man I will be going to bed late tonight.
2006-12-28 22:00:25
66.   Jon Weisman
4-OT games in my memory:

USC at UCLA (Wayne Carlander era?)
Lakers at Cleveland (Norm Nixon era?)

2006-12-28 22:09:19
67.   Bob Timmermann
66
That was indeed the Wayne Carlander era. I believe it was in 1984, my freshman year at UCLA. USC swept both games from UCLA that year for the first time in a long, long, long time.

I believe two of the overtimes in that game had no scoring. One of them may have had just 2 points for each time.

2006-12-28 22:19:13
68.   GoBears
Go Bears!

Had to watch on TiVo. Nice end to a nice season.

Now on to NCAA hoops - that's going to be a long one for CAL.

2006-12-28 22:20:40
69.   trainwreck
They will be better when they get Hardin back.
2006-12-28 22:21:21
70.   GoBears
Just looked at the Cal-Zona hoops boxscore. What happened to Hardin? Is he hurt, or ineligible for some reason? Without him (and with Powe riding pro pine), the Bears have no shot this season.
2006-12-28 22:22:19
71.   GoBears
Answering my own question: Stress fracture in foot. Out 8-12 wks. That's too bad.
2006-12-28 22:27:44
72.   GoBears
If I can return to the Zito signing, while I basically agree with Neyer, and said so about 6 different ways in the previous thread, I will say this for the Giants.

Their offense stinks. They play in a pitcher's park. If they're going to do anything this year, it has to be with pitching, a la San Diego. Picking up one bat wouldn't have helped much. So getting teh best pitcher still available (however overpriced and overrated) was probably smart. Alongside Cain and Lowry, they'll be in most games.

Still, Zito is not as good as Schmidt (at least for the first couple years), and they didn't go anywhere last year with Schmidt, so, well, I'm just glad I'm not a Giants fan.

2006-12-28 22:31:32
73.   trainwreck
72
Pretty much.
2006-12-28 22:32:32
74.   Xeifrank
With Zito going from the A's to the Giants I decided to take a look at the difference in park factors between the two stadiums in 2006.

Runs Scored: SF(16th), Oak(24th)
HRs: SF(30th), Oak(24th)
Hits: SF(20th), Oak(18th)
2Bs: SF(7th), Oak(8th)
3Bs: SF(14th), Oak(17th)
BBs: SF(17th), Oak(27th)

Two things first. I am not sure how walks are affected by the park and if it includes intentional walks or not. Secondly, are there a different set of park factors dependent on if you are a left or right handed pitchers. I know there is for hitters. Of course Zito gets an automatic lift from going to the NL, especially when he faces a pitcher for a couple of at bats per night, plus the NL West isn't really murderers row, not that the AL West was either. :) From the park factors it looks like Zito will get a break in the HRs but could see his walk rate increase (if walks really are park related). The hits, doubles and triples are pretty much the same but runs favors pitchers pitching in Oakland over pitching in SF. Not sure what to think on this one. vr, Xei

My guess given the same number of innings pitched would be. His rates go from...
2006/2007
HR: 27/22
Ks: 151/165
BBs: 99/??
Hits: 211/200

2006-12-28 22:34:50
75.   Xeifrank
72. I have the Giants bullpen as their biggest red flag at the moment. vr, Xei
2006-12-28 22:39:27
76.   GoBears
I'd guess that walks are park-related in two ways.

First, a more forgiving park might lead pitchers to challenge hitters more, figuring that fewer mistakes will end up as HRs.

Second, lots of foul territory ends at-bats early. Less foul territory means longer ABs, some of which will end as walks.

Third (I know, I said two), in Colorado, curve balls don't curve, but that's pretty specific.

2006-12-28 23:10:09
77.   trainwreck
74
I think his double and walk totals will go up because the HRs will go down, that is a huge outfield, and his outfield defense is nothing like it was last year.
2006-12-28 23:58:38
78.   StolenMonkey86
76 - So if they didn't put in those new seats, Brad Penny would have pitched 200 innings?
2006-12-29 00:08:45
79.   regfairfield
Zito throwing even more pitches is scary. He's always near the bottom of the league in pitches per plate appearance.
2006-12-29 05:10:31
80.   Vishal
why would he throw more pitches in the national league? it doesn't make sense.
2006-12-29 06:29:16
81.   Midwest Blue
2

The Giants' top brass — including owner Peter Magowan, executive vice president Larry Baer, Sabean and new manager Bruce Bochy — had a long dinner with the 28-year-old and his agent, Scott Boras, at the Peninsula hotel in Beverly Hills on Nov. 26.

Eating with Boras would be like eating Greek poutine (fries with feta and vinaigrette).

"I know he told me that when he met with the ownership of the Giants, he was really taken aback. Even the initial hello meeting, he really liked everybody," Joe Zito said.

Translation: MacGowan and Sabean were stuffing hundreds in Barry's pockets at dinner.

2006-12-29 07:03:16
82.   twerp
Excellent take on the dark lord--or, glossy lord (your choice)===

http://tinyurl.com/ylmdjo

Excerpts:

"And that was just a few years after convincing the Los Angeles Dodgers to make Kevin Brown (rhymes with breaking down) baseball's first $100-million player."

"In what would prove to be an indicator of his bargaining skills, he then talked the Cubs into picking up his tuition bills at law school."

"Exactly what makes Boras such a formidable negotiator is something only major league owners know, and embarrassment has so far restrained them from sharing the information. He's well spoken, doesn't yell a lot and the booklets he's become famous for preparing rarely contain anything beyond a player's stats and Boras' wildly optimistic predictions about the future."

"On the other hand, if he wins 18 games every season over the life of the deal, Zito is still costing the Giants $1 million for each one. And it's far from a certainty. Since the start of divisional play in 1969, an even dozen pitchers have won at least 126 games over a seven-year span and here are a few of them: Steve Carlton, Roger Clemens, Randy Johnson, Greg Maddux, Jim Palmer and Tom Seaver. One pitcher who didn't come close: Brown, who went 72-45 over the seven years of his deal."

2006-12-29 07:06:14
83.   D4P
and the booklets he's become famous for preparing rarely contain anything beyond a player's stats and Boras' wildly optimistic predictions about the future.

Did I mention they're glossy...? Nee, very glossy...?

2006-12-29 07:35:36
84.   Jon Weisman
Texas A&M 101, Grambling 27. Yikes.
2006-12-29 08:17:50
85.   Doug N
dodgers prospect discussion here:
http://tinyurl.com/wwx8s

kind of becoming the same old story...

2006-12-29 08:28:50
86.   delias man
sunday 9am espn classic. dodgers vs. padres. great chance to record it for eternity!!
2006-12-29 08:46:33
87.   regfairfield
80 It's not moving to the NL, it's moving from Oakland which has more foul territory than any other park.
2006-12-29 09:09:09
88.   Bob Timmermann
86
I assume that will be edited to fit the time slot.
2006-12-29 09:20:59
89.   Bob Timmermann
Sunday 9 am could interfere with my plans to watch the tape of the previous night's Chick-Fil-A Peach Bowl.
2006-12-29 09:27:28
90.   Marty
My guess is the Peach Bowl is Bob's least favorite.
2006-12-29 09:50:54
91.   Bob Timmermann
I didn't like the Cherry Bowl when it was around for the same reason.
2006-12-29 10:07:51
92.   Marty
I'm waiting for the Poutine Bowl.
2006-12-29 10:13:39
93.   Jon Weisman
New post up top.
2006-12-29 10:21:53
94.   Marty
Every time Poutine is mentioned, Jon puts up a new post
2006-12-29 10:32:26
95.   Sam DC
That sounds like a good candidate for Rule number 11 if you ask me.
2006-12-29 11:42:14
96.   Linkmeister
94 Oh, man, Marty, that one really did make me laugh out loud. Well done, well done.

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