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Darryl Stingley and J.R. Richard
2007-04-05 07:47
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Every now and then, something takes me back to the 1970s, my family's third decade as season-ticket holders for the Rams, when football was a big part of my life.

The news of the passing of Darryl Stingley, whose paralysis from a hit by Jack Tatum introduced me to the harsh dangers of sports, just ... I don't know. It just stops me.

It comes just seeing former Rams quarterback James Harris' name appear in all the Eddie Robinson obituaries and after Jeff Pearlman of ESPN.com reminded people of the talent of J.R. Richard, still the most intimidating pitcher in my mind that I recall from my childhood.

I can't believe how many years are passing.

* * *

A study in contrasts: In the overnight comments, GoBears points out that for a stretch of 11 batters in the middle of Wednesday's game, the Dodgers took three pitches.

This sandwiched the period when Dodger starting pitcher Jason Schmidt walked three batters in a row with two out in the fifth inning.

"I just couldn't get them to bite at the pitches I wanted them to," Schmidt told Tony Jackson of the Daily News. "They were really patient at the plate."

In the Dodgers' three-run eighth inning, the team took 20 pitches. Too many other factors were at play to draw any conclusions, not the least of which is the different pitchers on the mound for Milwaukee, but I wonder if the Dodgers paid attention to the Brewers' offensive approach.

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2007-04-05 08:08:27
1.   D4P
for a stretch of 11 batters in the middle of Wednesday's game, the Dodgers took three pitches

We don't do that Oakland thing

2007-04-05 08:15:11
2.   DXMachina
They didn't want to stay in Milwaukee one more second than they had to.
2007-04-05 08:27:44
3.   Bumsrap
It was snowing outside the dome and there was no heat inside the dome.
2007-04-05 08:33:07
4.   Bumsrap
If that is what good character guys do why not wear it? See it, do it.
2007-04-05 08:34:38
5.   Benaiah
3 - Really? There is no heat? Crazy. Still, it must have been fairly warm (the 50s anyway).
2007-04-05 08:34:55
6.   Bumsrap
Kemp observed before the game started rolling balls down the chalk lines to see if they stayed fair or rolled foul. Then practiced his underhand trows from the outfield.
2007-04-05 08:36:59
7.   Bumsrap
5, As warm as a crowd of 23,000+ and the hot Dodger bats can make it.
2007-04-05 08:38:26
8.   Bob Timmermann
Miller Park is really big and has a lot of glass so I can't imagine that it retains heat well.

If you ever visit Miller Park, you will take with you the fact that it's big.

2007-04-05 08:39:40
9.   Humma Kavula
1 We're selling jeans?
2007-04-05 08:40:09
10.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Tony Jackson's blog has also commented on the Dodgers' impatience at the plate.

WWSH

2007-04-05 08:44:38
11.   Bob Timmermann
9
I'll be talking about baseball books, including "Moneyball" at the Central Library in L.A. today at 12:15.

Be there. Aloha.

2007-04-05 08:48:21
12.   Humma Kavula
11 I saw that on the Griddle. Unfortunately, I'll be in beautiful Culver City, California, hyping movies.

My loss. If it were tomorrow -- and yes, I realize the library is likely closed on Good Friday -- I would have been there.

2007-04-05 08:49:25
13.   Bob Timmermann
12
Wow, I can get tomorrow off?

Nope, the library is open Good Friday.

The library is closed on Easter Sunday, although no one gets paid for that.

2007-04-05 08:55:46
14.   D4P
I lot of places close down in North Carolina on Good Friday. I don't recall that happening in Oregon...
2007-04-05 08:56:05
15.   Frip
The Tatum hit didn't seem that bad, and wasn't dirty.

It doesn't take much. In high school, during my very first hit I put the kid in an ambulance. And he was forbidden to play contact sports for the rest of his life. I hit as hard as a June breeze, but evidently did some funny thing to his cortex.

An unlikely match, Tatum and Kenny Stabler were best friends. Tatum, like Mike Tyson, generated so much power by technique, but also by having thick thighs, which he used as industrial grade coiled springs.

Though I remember one goal line stand where The Assassin bounced off Earl Campbell like a beach ball. It was hilarious.

Anyway, about a decade after the hit, Stingley filed suit against Tatum. I guess one can grow pretty bitter sitting in a wheelchair with not much else to think about. Very sad.

Similarly sad was seeing Lester Hayes selling football trinkets in the aisle of a Bakersfield Wal-Mart. Surreal, since he was my boyhood hero.

2007-04-05 08:56:49
16.   D4P
14
By "I" I meant "A"
2007-04-05 08:59:01
17.   Bob Timmermann
State offices in California used to close at noon on Good Friday.

Until Jerry Brown became governor.

2007-04-05 09:02:41
18.   Frip
Bob are you really going to talk about baseball books at the library? Why you? Are you somebody?
2007-04-05 09:05:09
19.   Bob Timmermann
18
That's not very life-affirming! I need to go dig up some Oprah books for confidence.
2007-04-05 09:06:32
20.   D4P
Bob, Oprah.
Oprah, Bob.
2007-04-05 09:07:41
21.   still bevens
10 I would like to take this moment to congratulate Betemit on walking twice in this game. He wasn't the picture of patience last year if I remember.
2007-04-05 09:17:52
22.   madmac
15 I work at the courthouse in Modesto, CA which is also where Lester Hayes resides. Recently he was summoned for jury duty and sent back his summons asking to be excused because of prior NFL commitments. He also included an autographed football card of himself. Sadly I was not allowed to keep the summons, letter, or card.
2007-04-05 09:18:33
23.   Benaiah
21 - Three times actually.
2007-04-05 09:27:24
24.   Greg S
I shouldn't start a quarrel without the time to back it up but...
What's up with the dogma about taking pitches. Sure, there is a time for it but if a guy is throwing first pitch strikes, why let him get ahead in the count for free? In that 3 pitch inning, I believe all 3 swings resulted in hitting the ball pretty hard. Okay, maybe the third batter could have taken a couple just to let Scmidt breathe. But I don't see why it should be written in stone that you take strike 1 down the middle. Could be your best and only chance to see a hittable pitch.
2007-04-05 09:40:38
25.   JoeyP
24--Just bc he throws a strike on pitch 1, doesnt mean he's going to throw strikes on the following pitches.

The hitting approach shouldnt change even if the pitcher gets ahead in the count. The batter should not be concerned about striking out. Its just 1 out.

I'd rather see a guy strike out on like 6-8 pitches, than make an out on a 1st pitch.

Certain guys with high skill level, yeah sure--Pujols can swing at anything they want bc he can hit even bad pitches out of the park. But guys like Kent/Gonzo/Pierre/Nomar need to be more patient about swinging at 1st pitches. They arent good enough to just hack. If they are going to make outs, at least make the pitcher work.

2007-04-05 09:42:22
26.   regfairfield
24 I personally don't care. If the guy ripped the ball, then he got his pitch and hit it. Can't fault the guy for that.

Now if you swing at the first pitch and bounce out weakly, then there's a problem.

2007-04-05 09:42:28
27.   Greg S
Just to follow up... Times that I believe you might want to take a pitch include 1) first time through the lineup (wasn't that), pitches aren't fat (wasn't that), pitcher has been wild (wasn't that), you are a pesky leadoff hitting type with no power (wasn't that), pitcher is All Star caliber and his pitch count is rising (wasn't that).
Absent those conditions, I think you should hack at any pitch you think you can hit hard.
2007-04-05 09:44:06
28.   Hythloday
24 - If it isn't a hittable pitch then wouldn't you walk on a 4-1 count? Besides, tired pitcher = bad pitcher usually. Also the bullpen is generally worse than the starter I think.
2007-04-05 09:44:27
29.   Hythloday
27 that is.
2007-04-05 09:51:03
30.   Jon Weisman
24 - It's not written in stone. And again, I emphasize that last night's game is too small a sample for drawing any conclusions from. If all those pitches were great pitches to hit, then great.

But there is something to be said for making a pitcher work, and the possibility that a pitcher isn't going to give you your easiest pitch to hit on his first offering.

27 - Those are a lot of conditions, and it's not as if that stretch of 11 batters featured all power hitters - especially on this team.

2007-04-05 09:55:15
31.   berkowit28
18 From reading this blog, it appears that Bob is a librarian. That would make him a somebody at his own library.
2007-04-05 09:57:02
32.   Greg S
30. I wasn't responding as much to your post as to the fact that it seems to often be talked about here (by others)whenever a players or two swings at the first pitch that it is necessarily wrong. I think it is often okay. I certainly agree with your last point although I think that only Juan Pierre really fits my pesky criteria.
2007-04-05 09:59:16
33.   Curtis Lowe
Anyone else somewhat happy that the Dodgers decided to take a day off to watch a brand new episode of The Office?
2007-04-05 10:00:28
34.   Jon Weisman
32 - I think you're letting the views of JoeyP and a couple others over-influence you. Few people are so dogmatic as to suggest you always have to take the first pitch.

It's true there is more frustration with hitters like Nomar who, by reputation at least, always swings at the first pitch.

2007-04-05 10:01:41
35.   Bumsrap
It seems Karros always took the first pitch, usually it seemed like a hittable pitch, and it seemed like he was always hitting behind in the count.

While I agree pitchers should be made to work, Karros drove me crazy not swinging at the first pitch.

3, 4, 5 hitters should be looking for a type of first pitch in a location and if it is in that location they should be swinging, hard.

2007-04-05 10:02:10
36.   Benaiah
I for one, am glad. I was distracted during last night's "Lost", but I would just turn off the game for "The Office." Especially since it ended on such a great cliffhanger last time: "I'm going to kill Jim Halpert."
2007-04-05 10:04:25
37.   Bumsrap
It would seem that Lost and Prison Break are starting over from the beginning, more than less.
2007-04-05 10:06:46
38.   Tangled Up in Blue
Is anyone here concerned that Schmidt was throwing his fastball between 84-90 (mostly in the 84-88 range)?

Does he have a history of this?

2007-04-05 10:07:36
39.   Greg S
34- Perhaps. I thought it was the view of many but maybe it's just a vocal minority. Did you see that windmill eyeballing me?
2007-04-05 10:08:24
40.   still bevens
30 Especially in those key innings when Suppan was on the ropes. Before the 11 pitch stretch he was something like 70+ pitches deep. We could have gotten to Dessens and that other guy that much faster.
2007-04-05 10:11:57
41.   Jon Weisman
36 - I saw more of Friday Night Lights last night than Saito's near-collapse - a combo of the greatness of the one and being almost too scared to look at the other.
2007-04-05 10:15:28
42.   Benaiah
37 - The most interesting part of "Lost" last night happened in the first five minutes. Locke more or less defected, and yet all I read about in the reviews is Kate and Juliette fighting in the mud (which cracked me up at the time). Also, for all of the criticisms of how Juliette handled Kate, I loved when she told Kate about the cameras. It was a great example of the characters actually talking to each other, rather than just acting.
2007-04-05 10:17:19
43.   Benaiah
41 - I feel terrible about still not watching that show, especially since it needs the help in the ratings, but I feel like it is too late to just jump in. I will pick up the DVDs for sure, and I have my fingers crossed that NBC takes a chance bringing it back.
2007-04-05 10:17:50
44.   Jon Weisman
42 - There's a thread for this at Screen Jam, but the Locke revelation - which is huge, make no mistake - came last week. So it wasn't really the thing to talk about.
2007-04-05 10:24:05
45.   Jon Weisman
By the way, I think I'm going to ask Ken Arneson to make every comment at Dodger Thoughts on April 15, comment #42.
2007-04-05 10:25:52
46.   D4P
I'll see if Ken can change my name on April 15 to D42P
2007-04-05 10:29:32
47.   Ivan Alexeev
38. I am. Russ Martin in the post game said that he was varying the speed of his fastball, which is not a bad thing. The bad part is that if you believe the gun at the game, Schmidt never seemed to top 90 or so. I'm sure he can be somewhat successful by varying the speed of his fastball from 85 to 90, but that hasn't really been Schmidt's game through the years. In my recollection, he's been much more of a power pitcher than that. Often yesterday I was waiting for him to throw some serious heat to get the K and he never seemed to do it. Cause for concern, I reckon.
2007-04-05 10:30:10
48.   Eric Enders
Some guys are better off swinging at first pitches than others. Take away all the first-pitch fastballs in Mondesi's career, and he'd probably have ended up with 60 or 70 home runs. I didn't hear anybody complaining about Kemp swinging at the first pitch the other night when he hit that 420-foot fly ball against Turnbow.

The thing I think we should be concerned about is the guys who swing at the first pitch as a matter of course, like it's their legal obligation to swing at it whether it's a hittable pitch or not. Yes, I'm looking at you, Nomar.

It's pretty easy to tell who should be swinging at the first pitch a lot and who shouldn't, just by looking at the splits at ESPN.com. If you're swinging at the first one, it should be one you have a damn good chance of getting a hit on. Those who hit less than .350 on the first pitch are really the ones we need to worry about.

Here are some Dodger first-pitch batting averages from last year:

Kemp .538
Saenz .448
Ethier .411
Furcal .409
Loney .385
Kent .333
Nomar .308 (104 AB -- team leader by a mile)
Drew .307
Betemit .278
Martin .235

From that it seems to me that Kent, Nomar, Betemit and Martin are the ones who are really hurting us by swinging at the first pitch and should work on being more selective.

Note that the averages above are artificially high because they don't include all the swings and misses which put the batter in an 0-1 hole. Also, the value of making the pitcher work harder and therefore forcing the opposition to use mediocre middle relievers has to be factored in.

2007-04-05 10:32:39
49.   D4P
Note that the averages above are artificially high because they don't include all the swings and misses which put the batter in an 0-1 hole

You could provide additional insight here by looking at those players' performance after an 0-1 count

2007-04-05 10:35:43
50.   Eric Enders
49 ESPN doesn't have that split. They have the stats on an 0-1 count, but not after an 0-1 count, which is the one we want. I'm sure somebody has it, though.
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2007-04-05 10:36:48
51.   bhsportsguy
What was strange was that for the first 3 innings they saw 63-64 pitchrs against Suppan, the day before they saw Capuano throw 90+ in 5 IP, so for the most part they were doing a good job.

Don't really know what happened after that aside from the fact that they started hacking away.

2007-04-05 10:38:09
52.   D4P
50
ESPN has the "after 0-1 count" on the individual player page
2007-04-05 10:42:49
53.   Eric Enders
Context is everything, of course. Always taking the first pitch against a guy like Ben Sheets would be pretty stupid because it's going to be a strike all the time anyway.
2007-04-05 10:43:42
54.   Greg S
48. Very interesting. What does that figure out to as a team? Is that number higher than "all other counts"? How does it compare to say 2-0?
As for Nomar, he does swing at a lot of first pitches but he also seems to be able to hit any pitch in any direction. I'd be interested to see the book on how to pitch him.
2007-04-05 10:50:42
55.   Dodgers49
They're jumping off the bandwagon after only three games. :-)

>>> What happened to pitching-rich Dodgers?

Schmidt could be the true ace, if he can manage to consistently top 85 mph on the radar gun, something he had trouble doing this spring. <<<

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17957829

2007-04-05 10:54:19
56.   Tangled Up in Blue
47 - He was hitting his spots for most of the game and he still looks like he is "throwing downhill" so his mechanics seem to be fine. I think he can get away with the low velocity as long as he has command of his pitches (which is the same for any pitcher). The problem is if the velocity doesnt come back he will not be the dominate pitcher we thought he was or what we are paying him for.
2007-04-05 10:54:51
57.   GoBears
I figured this out for Nomar last season. I can't remember the details, but IIRC, the punchline was that he is MUCH better if can work a 1-0 count. And since pitchers figure he'll nearly always swing at the first pitch, how often will they throw him strikes? He does the pitcher a favor way too often. I s'pose I could figure it out again, but I have to go teach. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader.
2007-04-05 10:55:20
58.   Bob Timmermann
Remember when Todd Zeile was on the Dodgers? He almost never swung at the first pitch.

And he wasn't much more popular than Juan Pierre.

2007-04-05 10:59:40
59.   Eric Enders
Nomar hit .289/.312/.474 after an 0-1 count. Which is better than most people would do, but still bad.

So here's what he did, overall, in any at bat where he swung at the first pitch:
.295/.318/.470 (308 PA)

And when taking the first pitch:
.316/.446/.567 (211 PA)

Note that the first group also includes at-bats where he took the first pitch for a strike. In Nomar's case this is probably a number we can count on one hand.

He got four walks all year after swinging at the first pitch.

His pitch recognition and judgment on when to swing are really a problem. You can tell by watching him hit, but the stats bear it out even moreso than I would have expected.

2007-04-05 11:00:56
60.   Bob Timmermann
I would like to thank the Dodgers for taking tonight off when there is a lot of good stuff on TV to watch.

All hail Katy Feeney!

2007-04-05 11:01:04
61.   Dodgers49
Stats 101: What's fact and what's fiction?

>>> The best-selling book Moneyball opened the eyes of many fans to the statistical revolution in baseball.

This revolution actually predates Moneyball by several decades, but it's become more of a phenomenon of late, thanks in part to the popularity of Michael Lewis' book. It's engendered (silly and petty) hostilities between the stats crowd and the traditionalists, and it's led to a great deal of mutual misunderstanding.
Still, we're certainly not here to rehash old arguments. What we are here to do is provide an introduction to the statistical movement that's now an indelible part of the game. No, we're not trying to turn you into a "stat geek," but we are trying to show that the new generation of baseball statistics is nothing to be afraid of or put off by. They're just another way to enjoy this great game and enrich your understanding of it.

So to get the ball rolling on this series we call "Stats 101," we'll take a look at five principles vital to understanding the game through a statistical lens. Let's get started ... <<<

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6641066

2007-04-05 11:03:03
62.   GoBears
59. Thanks Eric. That's what I remembered. That's a huge difference.
2007-04-05 11:05:02
63.   Jon Weisman
60 - And next Thursday too.
2007-04-05 11:09:53
64.   Bob Timmermann
Game time temperature in Kansas City for the MLB debut of Matsuzaka:

36 degrees, with a 12 mph wind.

JD Drew is in the lineup.

2007-04-05 11:13:16
65.   ToyCannon
59
It hasn't been enough of a problem to hinder his career, unless you all think this line is underwhelming.
318 .367 .540

While Nomar may hit better after taking one pitch it is much to simplistic to break a hitters numbers down that way. The inning, pitcher, score, and other variables go into each ab. These are professional hitters who have an idea every time they go to the plate about what they are going to do. Nomar is quite successfull doing it his way.

2007-04-05 11:14:42
66.   MollyKnight
64. You beat me to it. I'm in the KC press box now and will keep you all posted.

Greinke got Lugo to fly out to LF, then walked Youk. Ortiz up now.

2007-04-05 11:15:13
67.   D4P
It bugs me that Drew hits #5 instead of #2
2007-04-05 11:15:15
68.   MollyKnight
Struck him out looking.
2007-04-05 11:19:49
69.   MollyKnight
Manny doubled in a run, but then Drew struck out looking to end the inning.

Here comes Dice-K.

2007-04-05 11:20:53
70.   MollyKnight
There are 16 camera men on the field behind home plate right now. It has the vibe of an All-Star game.
2007-04-05 11:22:32
71.   regfairfield
Whoever programmed Gameday has no clue what they're doing.
2007-04-05 11:23:22
72.   D4P
Cowardly at-bat for Drew
2007-04-05 11:24:24
73.   MollyKnight
Ahhh! DeJesus gets his first hit of the season off Dice-K.
2007-04-05 11:24:26
74.   Bob Timmermann
71
I warned you. But you wouldn't listen!
2007-04-05 11:25:26
75.   D4P
74
Yeah. Haven't we all given up on Gameday by now...?
2007-04-05 11:25:36
76.   Eric Enders
65 It's clearly hindered his career -- just not enough to make him a bad player. Who knows, he might be Stan Musial if he had better selectivity.
2007-04-05 11:27:00
77.   Bob Timmermann
76
I bet Musial plays a better harmonica than Nomar.
2007-04-05 11:28:48
78.   regfairfield
I was referring to the fact that their data storage format has no consistency, but that too.
2007-04-05 11:29:57
79.   Bob Timmermann
78
The line for Gameday complaints forms on the right.

If you'd prefer, we can give you a numbered wristband so you can come back later.

2007-04-05 11:31:05
80.   GoBears
While Nomar may hit better after taking one pitch it is much to simplistic to break a hitters numbers down that way. The inning, pitcher, score, and other variables go into each ab. These are professional hitters who have an idea every time they go to the plate about what they are going to do. Nomar is quite successfull doing it his way.

Well, yes and no. First of all, the argument isn't that he's a failure - it's that he's not nearly as successful as he COULD be, were he to modify his approach a bit.

Second, yes, context matters. This is a bivariate comparison, and it's a mutlivariate world. If his split is only that big for a single season, I too would be inclined to discount it as fluky. But if it's that big every year, then that's piling up enough at bats that I'm quite sure that the relationship would hold even if everything else were accounted for.

Sometimes, patterns just jump out and poke you in the eye, and no amount of qualification will make them go away.

2007-04-05 11:33:21
81.   Bob Timmermann
Augggh! My eye has been poked by a pattern! That's the fourth time in the last month!
2007-04-05 11:35:18
82.   Andrew Shimmin
In Soviet Russia, patterns are poked by eyes!
2007-04-05 11:38:52
83.   D4P
I was expecting the Red Sox game to be on both ESPN and ESPN2. I'm shocked^2 that it's not on either.
2007-04-05 11:39:58
84.   Bob Timmermann
Doesn't your cable system get NHK?
2007-04-05 11:41:51
85.   Benaiah
In other news, Grienke continues to be unattractive. His ESPN gameCast picture is downright surly looking, too.
2007-04-05 11:45:43
86.   Benaiah
Grady Sizemore has 3 home runs already this year. The Dodgers as a team have 2. Not bad big guy.
2007-04-05 11:46:47
87.   Curtis Lowe
86- But we have 10 warning trackers!
2007-04-05 11:46:51
88.   bhsportsguy
80 Just checking a few guys out on this, Nomar is not different than David Ortiz, Manny Ramirez, Drew, Beltran, Delgado is not so great hitting the first pitch but on 0-1 he is good but after 0-1 he falls behind again. A-Rod, don't let him hit the first pitch or even the second if he is 0-1 but after 0-1, he's a .238 hitter.

The two guys who really stand out and it makes sense to me, Pujols is pretty deadly anytime and Miguel Cabera.

2007-04-05 11:49:30
89.   Bob Timmermann
Matsuzaka's first MLB K: Ross Gload.

Does that still count?

2007-04-05 11:52:43
90.   Humma Kavula
89 No. Strike it from the books!
2007-04-05 12:00:18
91.   natepurcell
kershaw goes up against brett anderson, dbacks prep lefty from last years draft. you can listen to the game online. starts 330pT
2007-04-05 12:00:20
92.   goofus
I see it now... Loney for Cabrerra; he plays third now and switches to first IF Nomar ever leaves. I can't see anyone taking Betemitt, he's never going to be any better than he is now. La Roche will go in the trade and probably a good young pitcher. We might also get another useless old vet to make Ned's heart sing...
2007-04-05 12:02:52
93.   Humma Kavula
92 There's no bigger James Loney fan than me, but I would do Loney-for-Cabrera in a New York minute.

Assuming you meant Miguel Cabrera. If it's Orlando, you can keep him.

2007-04-05 12:03:12
94.   Bluebleeder87
By the way, I think I'm going to ask Ken Arneson to make every comment at Dodger Thoughts on April 15, comment #42.

Nice tribute Jon.

2007-04-05 12:03:38
95.   natepurcell
92

its going to take alot more then loney for miguel cabrera.

2007-04-05 12:03:48
96.   Benaiah
92 - I would hardly endorse trading just about anyone for Cabrerra, but I don't see it happening. If there was any player in baseball to build around, thats the one. Surely, even Florida can find money for a bat that big.
2007-04-05 12:05:20
97.   Benaiah
94 - Don't try to use the brackets to refer to above comments on that day.

I took that as a satirical joke at the Dodger's expense, but then I am a cold hearted cynic.

2007-04-05 12:05:49
98.   Humma Kavula
96 Do you mean "hardly" or "heartily?"
2007-04-05 12:05:57
99.   Andrew Shimmin
Did Aaron Boone really break camp with the Marlins? I was going to say that they didn't have any useless old vets, but, wow. Aaron Boone. That's really making your useless old vet roster position count.
2007-04-05 12:06:37
100.   Benaiah
98 - "heartily" and I meant "everyone" more than "anyone". I shouldn't have bothered hurrying since two other people commented on it before me.
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2007-04-05 12:06:52
101.   Humma Kavula
99 That's "ALCS Hero Aaron F. Boone."
2007-04-05 12:09:30
102.   Bluebleeder87
-97-

o.k.

2007-04-05 12:10:54
103.   Bluebleeder87
I mean 97 sorry about that.
2007-04-05 12:24:59
104.   Humma Kavula
Molly, is Dice-K really making 'em look silly?
2007-04-05 12:27:48
105.   Andrew Shimmin
OG Lugo just doubled to right. Greinke hasn't been looking too shabby today.
2007-04-05 12:28:22
106.   Andrew Shimmin
Then he stole third, and scored when the throw skipped into left.
2007-04-05 12:29:06
107.   Humma Kavula
And he steals third, and the throw goes into left.

Royals baseball! Catch it!

2007-04-05 12:29:18
108.   jujibee
How come our single A roster looks a lot better than our advanced class A roster? I still am not sure why a couple of the players are where they are. Why is Jonathan Meloan in AA instead of AAA? Our single A roster is strong in blood lines with Van Slyke and a Mattingly. Anyone have thoughts on who has a breakout minor league season this year? My hopes are set on Josh Wall.
2007-04-05 12:31:52
109.   Andrew Shimmin
Big Papi has K'd three times today. Greinke has six total through 4 2/3.
2007-04-05 12:37:06
110.   Benaiah
109 - I was about to say that, come on big guy, do it for the gipper's fantasy team!
2007-04-05 12:37:55
111.   Andrew Shimmin
Alex Gordon collects the first of what I predict will be nine thousand career hits.
2007-04-05 12:41:05
112.   Benaiah
111 - I was going to predict that he would be the first 5-digit hit guy, but I will play it safe with your 9,000 guess.
2007-04-05 12:43:28
113.   Benaiah
I think I saw this on minorleagueball.com, but some are saying that we are entering the era of the third baseman, where nearly every team has a solid to excellent player at the hot corner.
2007-04-05 12:43:50
114.   still bevens
91 Nate are you going to listen to the game via the radio stations website?
2007-04-05 12:49:06
116.   Andrew Shimmin
112- If you don't wish to associate yourself with my prediction that he'll be the first player to hit three thousand home runs, I'll understand.
2007-04-05 12:51:11
117.   underdog
I'm not Molly, but watching on MLBTV online I can say, "Yes, Dice-K is making them look silly." Most of them, anyway. Watched him strike out the side in previous inning, including with curveball and an offspeed pitch that I can't imagine anyone in this league hitting. Filthy. But he'll occasionally make mistakes.
2007-04-05 12:53:50
119.   bhsportsguy
108 One of the overlooked revisions to the new CBA between MLB and MLBPA was the addition of an additional year of service for minor leaguers before they have to protected by being placed on the 40-man roster.

Now players who are signed before they turn 19 do not have to be added to the 40 man roster for 5 years and those 19 and older are protected from the Rule 5 draft for four years. This change was applicable to all players in the system once the agreement was made in principle.

This will probably have an impact on the pace of development of players, particularly high school players because of the extra year. But even a player like Meloan who was signed in 2005 out of college now has two more years instead of just this year before being exposed.

Elbert has 2 more years instead of just this year before being exposed.

Guys like Kershaw, Orr and Mattingly can play for 4 more seasons before having to be placed on the 40-man.

2007-04-05 12:55:08
120.   bhsportsguy
Oh and by the way, as much as I like Drew, I hope DT does not become the lets see how he is doing everyday blog, I can check for myself thank you.
2007-04-05 12:57:30
121.   underdog
Drew who?
2007-04-05 12:58:28
122.   jujibee
119. I understand the protection rule, I just think from a development standpoint, placing a guy like Meloan against stronger competetion might be beneficial. Who knows, maybe they want him there to get his confidence up pitching in a pitchers park as opposed to Vegas.
2007-04-05 13:00:37
123.   Andrew Shimmin
Matsuzaka gets taken deep by David DeJesus.
2007-04-05 13:01:27
124.   Greg Brock
Congrats to Daisuke on serving up his first gopher ball.
2007-04-05 13:06:20
125.   Benaiah
113 - A followup, here is a short list:

Yankees: Rodriquez
Jays: Glaus
Orioles: Mora
Red Sox: ?
Devil Rays: Longoria

White Sox: Crede
Twins: ?
Indians: Marte
Royals: Gordon
Tigers: Inge?

Angels: Wood (end up there)
Mariners: Beltre
Rangers: Blalock
A's: Chavez

Mets: Wright
Marlins: Cabrerra
Nationals: Zimmerman
Atlanta: Jones
Philly: Helms?

Cardinals: Rolen
Cubs: Ramirez
Brewers: Braun
Houston: Ensberg
Reds: Encarnacion
Pirates:?

Dodgers: Laroche
Padres: Kouzamanoff
Rockies: Ian Stewart
Giants: ?
Diamondbacks: Tracy

A few teams are struggling, but obviously a ton of teams have top prospects coming up to join the established guys. Laroche could hit 30 home runs a year and never make an all-star team, if everything worked out.

2007-04-05 13:06:30
126.   Andrew Shimmin
Mmm, strike 'em out, throw 'em out double play. Tasty. I think that play is permanently associated, in my mind, with Jim Tracy.

Followed by a double. Sizzling!

2007-04-05 13:16:49
127.   Tangled Up in Blue
Dice-K look good but so does Grein-K. Looks he is probably done for the day with 101 pitches.
2007-04-05 13:21:44
128.   bhsportsguy
Right now, there is a prospect gap between the Dodgers Great Lake Loons (A) team and the AAA PCL Las Vegas team. While Loney, LaRoche, Abreu, and Miller highlight Vegas and Kershaw, Mattingly, the Joshs (Bell and Wall), Scott Van Slyke and Steven Johnson wearing Loon uniforms, the new Cal League team has Blake DeWitt (who better dominate at this stop) while the former hot spot in the Dodger system, Jacksonville has a few guys, Elbert, Orenduff, Meloan (though he is not listed on their roster yet), Cory Dunlap and Chin-ling Hu, which is not shabby but not like the last few years.

The one prospect missing and he will probably start his Dodger career in the Pioneer League is Kyle Orr.

Its good that we have some nice young guys back in the system but I think it also points to one of the things that Logan White is supposed to improve, which is getting guys out of the Dominican and other Latin America countries. Its hard to just be successful with just the draft.

2007-04-05 13:28:04
129.   bhsportsguy
I have now been on hold for 1 1/2 hours with MLB.com.
2007-04-05 13:29:32
130.   Benaiah
Papi comes through for my fantasy team and avoids the Golden Sombero (4 Ks... or is it 3Ks?).
2007-04-05 13:33:15
131.   Humma Kavula
130 and a run scored.
2007-04-05 13:45:34
132.   MollyKnight
104- Yes. Very, very silly. He's been paralyzing and jamming hitters all day. His offspeed stuff was just sick. According to the statistician behind me, Dice-K has the most K's for a starting Red Sox pitcher in his MLB debut in 30 years.

111- I've been in KC since Sunday because I'm doing a feature on Alex Gordon. My plan was to fly back to NYC tomorrow, but my editors told me I couldn't go home until he got his first hit. They way he was swinging and missing, I started looking into renting a condo, here.

2007-04-05 13:46:11
133.   MollyKnight
Yeah, Dice-K is out now.
2007-04-05 13:47:33
134.   MollyKnight
Matsuzaka's line:

7IP 6H 1R 1BB 10K

108 pitches: 74 strikes.

2007-04-05 13:55:15
135.   Benaiah
132 - Bon voyage since he finally got a single. Gordon will probably hit 3 home runs the first day you aren't there.
2007-04-05 13:56:16
136.   Andrew Shimmin
135- Five home runs. But you were close.
2007-04-05 14:03:48
137.   Sushirabbit
136- Maybe he needs a page like Cole Hamels...
2007-04-05 14:05:18
138.   Bob Timmermann
Latest Gameday bug:

"Shockwave Flash has detected an error. You are strongly advised to restart Firefox."

It wasn't a blue screen of death, but I liked the foreboding tone.

2007-04-05 14:06:47
139.   Benaiah
Gameday worked pretty well last year, so I am wondering how they botched things so badly when they tried to "improve" it. Couldn't they offer "gameday classic"?
2007-04-05 14:17:48
140.   Benaiah
Well, Papelbon is pretty freaking good. Also, I stayed alive in Andrew's suicide pool! Score.
2007-04-05 14:54:39
141.   Benaiah
(Crickets)
2007-04-05 15:03:53
142.   Bob Timmermann
Sort of like my talk at the library today. I played to an Expos-Pirates like crowd at Stade Olympique.
2007-04-05 15:19:33
143.   Johnson
That's what happens when you give a talk in a library. At least you didn't get shushed off the podium.
2007-04-05 15:20:57
144.   Bob Timmermann
This is KAOS, ve don't "shush" around here.
2007-04-05 15:33:00
145.   underdog
Last time I gave a talk, I was like a coyote in a sandwich shop.*

*Everyone quickly left, stared at me from outside, and I slumped quietly in the corner.

2007-04-05 15:36:22
146.   Eric Enders
Back to the topic at hand, sort of, I highly recommend reading Josh Wilker's J.R. Richard trilogy which can be found on the sidebar of Cardboard Gods.
2007-04-05 15:40:28
147.   natepurcell
kershaws first inning starts now.
2007-04-05 15:40:47
148.   natepurcell
first batter...walk. omen?
2007-04-05 15:42:30
149.   natepurcell
second batter...blooper to right.

first and second, no outs. omen!!

2007-04-05 15:42:51
150.   blue22
147 - Has the Vegas lineup been posted yet? Is Loney going to be at first or the OF?
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2007-04-05 15:46:39
151.   still bevens
Nate what website are you using?
2007-04-05 15:47:02
152.   natepurcell
http://www.midmichigannews.com/aplay/audioplay2.html
2007-04-05 15:49:07
153.   underdog
150 Doesn't appear to be up yet. I only know that Stults is the 51s starting pitcher, and Salt Lake doesn't have a starting pitcher apparently. (Not named, that is.)
2007-04-05 15:49:17
154.   natepurcell
form listening, he is a bit wild early on.
2007-04-05 15:50:57
155.   natepurcell
elbert goes on the mound at 4.
2007-04-05 15:51:19
156.   underdog
Btw, speaking of Loney, dunno if anyone posted this story already but I just ran across it.
"Miffed Loney Returns to 51s"
http://www.lvrj.com/sports/6882122.html
A few days old but a little more in depth.
2007-04-05 15:51:20
157.   Eric Enders
152 Thanks Nate. The gameday audio at MiLB is still not working (which will surprise absolutely no one), so that's a big help.
2007-04-05 15:52:01
158.   Eric Enders
And Kershaw gets a K to sneak out of a bases loaded jam.
2007-04-05 15:52:28
159.   natepurcell
bases loaded 2 outs, kershaw strikes out the batter looking inside corner on a 3-2 fastball.

1IP 0er 1H 2bb 2k

shaky inning.

2007-04-05 15:55:54
160.   Eric Enders
156 Funny that article says Abreu is going to play 2B at Vegas.

All spring long, we've been hearing shortstop, then second base, then shortstop again, then second base again. I guess we'll see when they actually take the field.

2007-04-05 15:59:44
161.   underdog
I bet he plays more 2nd than short, especially assuming they retain Valdez and send him down there when Furcal comes back.

Will be also interesting to see how La Roche does in the outfield. Unlike Loney, he's not a really solid fielder in the infield, so I don't know how much that will mess him up but we'll see.

Miller's their #4 starter.

2007-04-05 16:00:51
162.   Eric Enders
Miller might be better than the #4 starter for several major league teams.
2007-04-05 16:02:47
163.   Bob Timmermann
Since Eric's here, I will mention that during my talk about baseball books, I used one list of "top baseball books" and panned the New Bill James Historical Abstract.

Although not quite to Eric's extent.

2007-04-05 16:09:21
164.   Eric Enders
163 I am still trying to live down that review. It was overly harsh.

It was kind of an interesting moment when at a recent SABR convention Rob Neyer introduced me to Bill James. "Oh, do you know Eric Enders?" The scowl on James' face was classic.

2007-04-05 16:10:04
165.   Tangled Up in Blue
Kershaw is done 2-0 (1 unearned).
2007-04-05 16:12:10
166.   Bob Timmermann
164
Well, Bill James is such a warm and fuzzy guy. I'm sure you're on his Enemies List. You and Norm Krabbenhoft.
2007-04-05 16:19:38
167.   Eric Enders
165 Both unearned. Not that he's pitching that well.
2007-04-05 16:21:41
168.   Eric Enders
A Mattingly sac fly scores the first run in Great Lake Loons franchise history. Score 2-1 bad guys.
2007-04-05 16:25:15
169.   natepurcell
meanwhile...

elbert 2IP 0H 0er 0bb 2k

2007-04-05 16:25:43
170.   Tangled Up in Blue
167 - you're right. Tied up now, 2-2. Josh Bell is not having a great day so far.
2007-04-05 16:26:52
171.   CanuckDodger
167 -- Both unearned? The box score says only one was unearned.

Anyway, I wonder what the weather is like. April games in the Midwest League are notorious for being played in terrible conditions for pitchers. As a Southerner, Kershaw may never have pitched on a cold day in his life. This is why I hated the news that the Dodgers moved their low A team from the South Atlantic League to the Midwest League.

2007-04-05 16:28:06
172.   natepurcell
171

says gametime weather was 32 degrees with 19mph winds L to R

2007-04-05 16:33:45
173.   underdog
Dodger alert!

My coworker just saw Brett Tomko shopping on Powell Street here in SF, with his wife.

I'm heading out to a nearby coffee place; will let you know if I spot anyone myself.

2007-04-05 16:34:29
174.   Benaiah
172 - Ha ha. Welcome to the joy known as "experiencing the seasons." I don't get why people want four seasons, only two seasons are good, and even then only intermitantly. Summer in Alabama or Arizona or winter in Chicago are all miserable.
2007-04-05 16:35:56
175.   Tangled Up in Blue
Kershaw is done after walking 6 thru 2 innnings.
2007-04-05 16:37:59
176.   Benaiah
175 - Alright, so obviously this was a terrible outting, but should we just assume it was a bizarre abberration until it continues or what? I mean he had 7 walks total last year.
2007-04-05 16:39:43
177.   Michael D
So Kershaw just walked more guys in his first game this year than he did during his entire rookie league debut.
2007-04-05 16:40:12
178.   bhsportsguy
173 Your co-worker was probably more excited about seeing the former Miss February 1998 than the Dodgers 5th starter.
2007-04-05 16:41:39
179.   still bevens
So do the kids reporting the the minors go through spring training in Florida like everyone else? I guess what Im saying is we cant chalk up this poor outing to getting back into the swing of things after a prolonged break?
2007-04-05 16:43:39
180.   bhsportsguy
Its the kid's first outing of the year and his first with fans in the stands as a professional.

I think we can chalk it up to nerves and high expectations so unless he gets bombed for the next couple of months, I wouldn't worry.

2007-04-05 16:43:47
181.   Eric Enders
179 The Loon announcer just said he was down in Vero with the team, where Kershaw was throwing 95 consistently and 97 occasionally with good control. I don't think there's anything to worry about.

Speaking of loon announcers, even this Class A guy is way better than Rick Monday.

2007-04-05 16:44:05
182.   natepurcell
179

They have ST at vero at the minor league complex.

2007-04-05 16:47:13
183.   natepurcell
meanwhile, our other prized lefty is making things interesting so far.
2007-04-05 16:59:46
184.   CanuckDodger
I think it is the cold that got to Kershaw. In the past, I have noticed other very young pitchers perform uncharacteristically badly in the Midwest League in April.
2007-04-05 17:06:55
185.   Curtis Lowe
184- It could be that, the wind or maybe Kershaw is listening to the advice of Gonzo and not worrying about his individual stats.
2007-04-05 17:07:59
186.   overkill94
Dang, I was hoping Kershaw would start in hi-A so that some of us could go catch a game or two of his. Hopefully he has a few starts that were better than today and he gets promoted quickly.
2007-04-05 17:17:29
187.   LAT
Jon,
Today's post really resonated with me. In 1978, I was a pimple faced 15 yr old Pats fan living in Providence, Rhode Island. The whole tragedy is as vivid as if it happened this last year and yet its been nearly 30. 30 years of water under my bridge. You said it perfectly: It just stops you.
2007-04-05 17:20:09
188.   trainwreck
Thanks for the updates guys.
2007-04-05 17:21:05
189.   Indiana Jon
171 172

The weather in Indiana today is horrible. That 32 degrees and 19 MPH wind doesn't do it justice. The last two days, we've seen snow, hail, rain, extremely strong wind gusts, etc. I didn't want to go check the mail in the weather, pitching had to be very difficult, and South Bend is 3 hours north of where I am. Unfortunately, Kershaw's next start will be in Ft. Wayne, and the weather might not be much better.

2007-04-05 17:23:09
190.   Bob Timmermann
Does anyone using MLB.com know if Right Guard is offering a risk-free, 5-day trial?
2007-04-05 17:34:40
191.   underdog
173 "Your co-worker was probably more excited about seeing the former Miss February 1998 than the Dodgers 5th starter."

He was, after his initial double-take about Tomko. He's also a Giants fan so I don't think Tomko's high on his list of favorite former players.

No Dodger sightings from me just now, btw, but maybe tomorrow. I think I'll have my morning coffee with Russell and Broxton.

2007-04-05 17:39:51
192.   Eric Enders
Wilkin Ruan and Luke Allen are both back with the Suns?

Party like it's 2001!

2007-04-05 17:42:46
193.   Indiana Jon
I guess Loney's attitude hasn't affected his hitting any.
2007-04-05 17:53:54
194.   trainwreck
I think Loney may be ready.
2007-04-05 17:56:10
195.   GoBears
You fellas have a link to follow the Vegas game?

Thanks

2007-04-05 17:57:55
196.   trainwreck
Here you go

http://tinyurl.com/3ao6ds

2007-04-05 18:02:22
197.   Curtis Lowe
Got to love that work ethic.
2007-04-05 18:03:55
198.   Indiana Jon
195

You can also listen to it live on MILB.com for free.

2007-04-05 18:08:34
199.   Woody
About the only thing worth doing here in Mobile, AL besides eating the crawfish gumbo and other Gulf Coast cuisine is watching the Jax Suns playing the Mobile BayBears at Hank Aaron Stadium. Two series this year in May and August. Hope to see Elbert, Meloan, and Hu beat the home team which has switched affiliation from the hated Padres org. to the somewhat less hated Diamondbacks org. It's a beautiful little ballpark, but is usually almost empty. You can sit right next to the visitors dugout. These kids looks so young.
2007-04-05 18:12:01
200.   Indiana Jon
Loney's home run was 440 feet, not bad for a guy they say lacks power.
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2007-04-05 18:14:11
201.   underdog
Guess Tony Abreu's ready, too.
2007-04-05 18:16:06
202.   Bluebleeder87
So i'm trying to order my Dodger Thoughts T-shirt but it doesn't let me put the shirt/shirts on the shopping cart? am I doing something wrong?

ps I little help would be appreciated

2007-04-05 18:17:46
203.   Dodgers49
Las Vegas 51's Lineup tonight:

Abreu 2B
Bigbie DH
Loney RF
LaRoche
Young LF
Jones, M 1B
Freeman CF
Stinnett C
Perez SS
Stults P

http://tinyurl.com/2ertby

2007-04-05 18:21:29
204.   Bluebleeder87
disregard comment 202, I just figured it out. :o) thanks.
2007-04-05 18:22:27
205.   Dodgers49
203 - That should be 3B for La Roche, of course. And shouldn't Loney be playing left field to get ready to replace LuGo?
2007-04-05 18:22:56
206.   Eric Enders
Russ Langer is now singing Springsteen songs on the 51s broadcast.

How long till this guy replaces Rick Monday?

2007-04-05 18:23:53
207.   bhsportsguy
Nice outing by Elbert despite the one bad inning where he gave up the 3 runs,

6 IP, 4 hits, 1 BB and 9 K.

2007-04-05 18:28:25
208.   bhsportsguy
Woo Hoo - Great Lakes are scoring some runs. No homers but 10 runs is some nice production.

You gotta love Elbert's K rate but you hope he can get guys to hit a few balls a little earlier in the game so he can last a little longer.

2007-04-05 18:28:43
209.   Dodgers49
205 - This leads me to think that if Ethier doesn't get a hit soon he and Loney might switch places.
2007-04-05 18:29:28
210.   bhsportsguy
203 Andy said he lost his mind earlier this year so for at least the time being it is LaRoche, no space.
2007-04-05 18:44:42
211.   Dodgers49
210 - Thanks. I noticed the Las Vegas site wasn't using the space but thought they just hadn't gotten the word. :-)
2007-04-05 18:47:45
212.   underdog
Stults, we hardly knew ye.

Who the heck is Mitch Jones?

2007-04-05 18:49:39
213.   Jon Weisman
206 - Which ones?
2007-04-05 18:57:52
214.   CanuckDodger
The Vegas boxscore now says that Hoorelbeke instead of Stults has been pitching for Vegas since the start.
2007-04-05 19:00:51
215.   underdog
It does. You're right. Very odd.

Either Stults morphed into Hoorelbeke, or it was wrong all along; perhaps Stults was a late scratch and the Gameday bots took awhile to catch on.

2007-04-05 19:00:59
216.   Eric Enders
213 He was singing "Fire."
2007-04-05 19:05:25
217.   Dodgers49
212. Who the heck is Mitch Jones?

It appears he'll be 30 his next birthday so I have no idea why he's our AAA first baseman.

http://tinyurl.com/2vsvuq

2007-04-05 19:10:52
218.   Dodgers49
214 - The boxscore I'm looking at says Hoorelbeke came in during the 4th.

Stults 3.2 5 3 3 1 4 0 7.36
Hoorelbeke 1.1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00

2007-04-05 19:15:32
219.   Dodgers49
Pitches-strikes: Stults 71-46, Hoorelbeke 21-13

http://tinyurl.com/2ertby

2007-04-05 19:22:15
220.   Bluebleeder87
Tommy Lasorda alert at Anaheim
2007-04-05 19:58:41
221.   berkowit28
212 Who the heck is Mitch Jones?

Whoever he is, he's the only 51er to get more than 1 hit in 9 innings. 3 AB, 1 R, 3 H.

2007-04-05 20:32:41
222.   natepurcell
im really happy about elberts outing tonight. the 1 bb in 6IP is a GREAT sign to go along with no homers.
2007-04-05 21:48:46
223.   underdog
Good, also, to see Dodgers' lead guitarist, I mean prospect, Carlos Santana pick up two hits for the Loons.

And Josh Bell, too.

2007-04-05 22:16:20
224.   das411
Jon...what exactly did you mean the other day by "[Craig] Counsell is this decade's Jim Eisenreich"?? Eisy was one of my (and many other non-Dodger fans') favorite players! Was there a post on this sometime that I missed?

And for anybody else that was having trouble with ESPN.com's fantasy stats from Rich Harden the other night...I think I win:

http://tinyurl.com/2jzk4l

2007-04-05 22:19:34
225.   Jon Weisman
224 - Eisenreich destroyed the Dodgers as an opponent, was average against other teams, and terrible when he actually was a Dodger.
2007-04-05 22:23:40
226.   Daniel Zappala
Drats, Piazza with a homer off K-Rod in the top of the ninth to win the game for the A's over the Angels.
2007-04-05 22:39:32
227.   Bob Timmermann
Jim Eisenreich's career OPS against the Dodgers was 1.068.

His career OPS was .745

2007-04-05 22:44:59
228.   das411
225 - Fair enough, although that '96 season he put up I would hardly call "average", he hit the whole darn league pretty well that season!

Did anybody catch this in Jayson Stark's latest Rambl...er, "rumblings"?

>>
Stephen Drew had a reputation in college as a guy who often seemed disinterested. But he has looked anything but since he arrived in Arizona. "The guy looks like a hell of a player," one AL exec says. "It seems like he plays the game very aggressively. I don't see him turn it on and off like somebody else in his family."
<<

99 - That useless old vet was born in 1973!

And anybody who considers him/herself a baseball fan NEEDS to go vote on this week's Sportspickle.com poll question...gogogo!

2007-04-05 22:52:23
229.   underdog
226 Ken's happy!
2007-04-06 00:50:37
230.   underdog
So Luis Gonzalez is 3-for-15 with five strikeouts vs. lefty Noah Lowry. Would the Dodgers' dare sit him Friday night?

Probably not.

But they sure should. One can dream!

2007-04-06 04:32:37
231.   Dodgers49
Bees pull out win over 51s

>>> With the score tied, 3-3, Bees designated hitter Kendry Morales lined a one-out single off Chin-hui Tsao (0-1) and scored the winning run when Gorneault doubled to left. <<<

http://tinyurl.com/386u7u

2007-04-06 04:56:34
232.   Dodgers49
Nine Innings: Diamond musings

>>> 8. The three coolest pitching-stat revelations from The 2007 Bill James Handbook: 1. Joel Zumaya threw 233 pitches over 100 mph last season. New York's Kyle Farnsworth was second with 26, which suggests that the Tigers' Guitar Hero might be the most overpowering reliever since Goose Gossage's reign of intimidation three decades ago. 2. Josh Beckett led the American League in pitches over 95 mph (1,072), which suggests that his granite-skulled refusal to change speeds also is the reason he was second in the league in homers allowed (36). 3. Barry Zito was second only to Boston knuckleballer Tim Wakefield in pitches thrown slower than 80 mph, which suggests the Giants just spent $126 million for a junkballer. <<<

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6646242

2007-04-06 05:04:20
233.   Bumminglory
203 What are the chances Tony Abreu gets some starts at SS in Vegas?

This would give the Dodgers some future versatility. So would playing Nomar at multiple positions which we were told he was available for...

212 , 221 Mitch Jones is a 29 year old Yankee farmhand who fits the Russell Branyan mold

2007-04-06 05:12:48
234.   Bumminglory
233 ... former yankee farmhand, that is
2007-04-06 08:18:33
235.   Bumsrap
I am guessing that Loney is playing right field because they want to keep him on the right side. Seeing the ball coming off the bat from first and right field might help him learn to play an outfield position.

Since the current Dodger outfield is not a good defensive outfield should mean that Kemp, Ethier, Loney only have to outhit Gonzo, Peirre, RFer.

2007-04-06 08:20:02
236.   Bumsrap
235
As far as speed goes, Kemp might be a better base stealer than Pierre.
2007-04-06 08:25:52
237.   Benaiah
235 - Plus, if Loney comes up and plays right, both Kemp and Ethier can play left. Loney has a great arm, and is familiar with that side of the field, so it makes sense to keep him there. I don't think his playing right demonstrates and unshakable faith in Luis Gonzales. My fear is that Luis will do just enough to stay in the lineup. He is vet enough not to slump badly (like Ethier did last year) and probably will just grind out a mediocre season blocking better young hitters. Of course, he could get injured tomorrow too.
2007-04-06 08:32:55
238.   regfairfield
I noticed that Justin Orenduff made a relief appearance last night. Is this just a rehab thing, or is this a permanent move?
2007-04-06 08:39:15
239.   robohobo
237 Gurick on Dodgers.com also talks about Either slumping as a pattern for him to be looked for this year. I thought he didn't so much slump as he was hurt... Now he has a reputation for slumping? I don't think that is fair.

Larry Dobrow on CBS Sportsline
Meanwhile, in my unofficial role as deputy corresponding secretary of the Jonathan Broxton fan club, I point you toward his performance on Tuesday night against the Brewers. Three batters, 11 pitches, 10 strikes, three strikeouts. Forget the comparisons with Dodgers closer Takashi Saito -- Broxton might be the best reliever in his division.

http://tinyurl.com/2cuxgo

2007-04-06 08:57:52
240.   PlayTwo
In the article on Mike Brito to which someone established a link here a few days ago, Brito said that the only true 100+ radar readings in his time were those of Ryan and J.R.
2007-04-06 09:15:16
241.   Bob Timmermann
Here's how MLB.com supposedly figures out their speeds:

http://tinyurl.com/2wqdhq

2007-04-06 09:25:40
242.   das411
Carl Crawford alert!

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-- The Devil Rays had a day game in New York Monday followed by an open date and a rainout. "Put it this way," said outfielder Carl Crawford, when asked how the players planned to pass the time. "It won't do no good to try to call somebody in their [hotel] room. You better have a cell number."
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also a semi-informative article about new Padre padre Bud Black:

http://tinyurl.com/38haew

2007-04-06 09:42:46
243.   Eric Enders
235, 237 Loney also has a classic right fielder's throwing arm, much moreso than Ethier does. So if it comes down to that, I suspect he will play right and Ethier left. The only way Loney would ever need to play left field is if the other two outfielders are Kemp and Pierre (and maybe not even then).
2007-04-06 09:49:38
244.   Benaiah
243 - When he was drafted, most people expected him to be a pitch, but Logan White saw something else. I don't see why Matt Kemp can't play LF. I hope Loney is up to stay in May, because that bat is more than ready.
2007-04-06 09:50:31
245.   Eric Enders
242 I love the Maddux quote in the article. Maybe he's a future manager?
2007-04-06 10:07:32
246.   StolenMonkey86
From Josh at ItD:

James is handling himself like a professional so everyone can step back off the ledge now!

2007-04-06 10:13:24
247.   Terry A
Except Gonzalez. We would like to encourage Gonzalez to take a few steps closer to the ledge, if he would.

Had a little more drivetime this morning than usual, and I heard Peter Gammons say (on sports radio, we don't carpool or anything) that he thinks MLB would block a sale of the Cubs to Mark Cuban. Which made me think back to how baseball handed the Dodgers to the McCourts while simultaneously preventing Vlad from becoming a Dodger.

Baseball's owners must be an interesting lot.

2007-04-06 10:14:59
248.   Eric Enders
246 I guess hitting 450-foot home runs also falls under the umbrella of "handling himself like a professional."
2007-04-06 10:15:54
249.   Bumsrap
To get some at bats for Loney in the MLB maybe in addition to playing right field he could join the 51s rotation.

If he made the Dodgers as a pitcher, he could be traded to Boston, who could trade him to the Yankees, who could make him a right fielder lofting balls over the short right field corner fence.

2007-04-06 10:19:26
250.   Jon Weisman
New post up top.
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2007-04-06 10:20:31
251.   blue22
Tony Jackson's article/puff piece on Juan Pierre, entitled "Pierre already a steal" does nothing to back up that title. I'm very confused. At the minimum, it talks about how LA went for 2 more years and $14M more than Pierre's only other suitor, the Giants, who then signed the exact same player in Roberts for the relative bargain deal of 3/$18M.

He mentions nothing that states how exactly Juan Pierre is a steal (pun aside) already for LA. I mean, he's hitting .167 with a sub .400 OPS, and has yet to attempt a stolen base. What is Tony Jackson getting at???

http://tinyurl.com/3dzhp8

2007-04-06 10:22:27
252.   Bumsrap
Hello Mr. McCourt, this is Ned, thought I would give you a heads up in case Plaske calls you. I plan to put Bills in the rotation in place of Schmidt, Kemp in place of Pierrre, Loney in place of Gonzo.

We will have a better bench that way. Sorry about $20 million thing.

2007-04-06 10:27:59
253.   Benaiah
251 - Often times, columnnists don't write the headlines for their articles. Instead the editorial staff does it, usually with an eye for puns. In other words, the disconnect might not be inconsistent writing, just two different authors.
2007-04-06 10:37:49
254.   blue22
253 - Even still, for a puff piece it's brimming with negatives. Pierre is basically happy because LA paid him a ton of money, and he gets to combine with Furcal at the top of the lineup. I guess the article was written due to the Pierre/Roberts matchup, but with Pierre off to such a horrific start, offensively and defensively, it seems ill-timed.
2007-04-06 10:40:56
255.   Bumminglory
251 but JP has a history of being happy and wearing baggy pants.

Am I reading too much into this or can it be inferred from this article that throwing away 5/$44 mil away on Slappy McPutout is Ned's tribute to Jackie?

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