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2007-04-16 17:15
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

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Comments (488)
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2007-04-16 17:24:11
1.   Greg S
Programming night for those with DirecTV HD (especially Bob if that's what he uses). Tonight's game looks like it will be broadcast in HD on channel 96 which is a little used channel that shows no more than one game every couple of days.
Unless it's blocked here in LA (and it may be) it's bonus HD for us.
2007-04-16 17:25:09
2.   Greg S
Note: That's a programming NOTE, not night.
2007-04-16 17:28:49
3.   scareduck
Yeah, I could make 7/21, and yeah, I could probably deal with ticket distribution.
2007-04-16 17:29:41
4.   Jon Weisman
3 - Thanks, though it does say, please e-mail me :)
2007-04-16 17:29:56
5.   Bob Timmermann
I have cable. The game is on KCAL which is 409 on
2007-04-16 17:32:03
6.   Bob Timmermann
5
Choose your own object of the preposition "on"
2007-04-16 17:35:55
7.   Greg S
6. Sorry, I think you're outta luck. The channel I speak of is part of the Extra Inning baseball package. However, I'm guessing it's based on the Arizona feed (since KCAL will not have it in HD) so perhaps it will get blocked in L.A. after all.
2007-04-16 17:38:01
8.   overkill94
I could've sworn I ordered a shirt, but I haven't received it and I don't believe I got charged for it either. Is there any way for me to verify this?
2007-04-16 17:39:05
9.   Eric Enders
Carlos Quentin making his season debut against the D's tonight.
2007-04-16 17:39:22
10.   old dodger fan
Cubbies scored 2 in the 1st against the Padres Hensley. This is his 3rd start and he has not looked good yet!!

I have seen a lot of comments regarding the quality of mlb.tv. Has it gotten any better? For those of us nowhere near a ML ballpark it has appeal but I don't want to spend the money if it crates more frustration than it's worth.

2007-04-16 17:39:27
11.   Eric Enders
9 For the D's also, for that matter.
2007-04-16 17:41:49
12.   Eric Enders
9 Sorry, I forgot where I was posting. That should read "Stanford alum Carlos Quentin..."
2007-04-16 17:42:41
13.   gpellamjr
10 I have found my experience with mlb.tv to be better than with Extra Innings, if that means anything to you. But I encourage you to do one of those two-- it's wonderful to be able to watch Dodgers games regularly again.
2007-04-16 17:42:59
14.   Jon Weisman
8 - We're not processing the orders until all orders are received. You won't get your shirt for a few weeks. However, I think you should have gotten a receipt for it. I'll check when I get home.
2007-04-16 18:15:05
15.   Bob Timmermann
Last night on my Universal HD channel, which seems to exist to show NBC detritus in HD, I saw a delayed broadcast of an NHL playoff.

Hockey is a very good sport for HD.

2007-04-16 18:19:32
16.   Bob Timmermann
If you're making plans for Jackie Robinson Day LXX on April 15, 2017, that will fall on a Saturday.

It will also be the day before Easter.

2007-04-16 18:21:28
17.   D4P
I'm making plans for Juan Pierre Day I on April 1, 2057.
2007-04-16 18:30:08
18.   mikethinksblue
4/1/2057 is a Saturday, so it looks like we'll have to wait until the season opens on the 3rd to celebrate JP day.
2007-04-16 18:34:51
19.   D4P
2057 will likely be Pierre's final season with the Dodgers.
2007-04-16 18:36:28
20.   Eric Enders
10 The quality of MLB.tv is ok. It's better than it used to be if you pay for the "Premium" quality, but I still wouldn't call it good. It also continues to have the frustrating bandwidth problems that have plagued it since its inception. About the most I can say for it is it's a heck of a lot better than having nothing at all.

Extra Innings is the much better deal in my opinion, with the quality about 100 times better for 40 bucks more. The two caveats are that (a) it carries marginally fewer games than MLB.tv does, and (b) the beginning of the Dodger game often gets pre-empted due to an East Coast game on the same station lasting longer than three hours.

2007-04-16 18:38:54
21.   tskent
I'm looking for big things from Penny tonight. If he shines the Dodgers have the best record in BBall, assuming Wash holds on. Penny said he felt as good as ever a few weeks ago. I believed him. I don't believe a word out of Schmidt's mouth though.
The guy got pounded by a banjo hitting AAAA Padre team. That's worrisome.
2007-04-16 18:40:26
22.   gpellamjr
Things are going well in Chicago tonight. It's 7-1 Cubs over the Padres.
2007-04-16 18:41:34
23.   gpellamjr
Mark Grace just said: "This is some kind of lineup the Dodgers throw at you." I agree, Gracie, this is some kind of lineup.
2007-04-16 18:43:28
24.   overkill94
Way to work him Raffy
2007-04-16 18:43:57
25.   overkill94
This guy sure throws a lot of breaking balls
2007-04-16 18:46:18
26.   overkill94
There ya go, Juan
2007-04-16 18:47:14
27.   Hallux Valgus
23- to be fair, if Graçe is using his own skill set as a frame of reference, the Dodgers look positively power laden
2007-04-16 18:47:26
28.   D4P
Walking Pierre = Grabowski Principle
2007-04-16 18:48:47
29.   underdog
Well done, Nomar! Cranked that puppy even after being out in front of it.
2007-04-16 18:49:31
30.   k0b3
the rare time pierre will walk will equal good things
2007-04-16 18:50:43
31.   underdog
Wrong part of the ballpark, Jeff. That was hit a long way, too.

Nice round of applause from Arizona crowd for Gonzo.

2007-04-16 18:51:41
32.   k0b3
haha kent crushed that one but that impossible to homer center field there killed it
2007-04-16 18:51:44
33.   tskent
There's your run Bradford. Shut 'em down. LOL..
2007-04-16 18:53:07
34.   tskent
30. Pierre walking will normally equal a bad thing? LOL..
2007-04-16 18:53:20
35.   k0b3
i say penny gives this run bak this inning :(
2007-04-16 18:54:09
36.   Frip
Penny's about the only guy who can play with his hair without looking like a flake.
2007-04-16 18:59:26
37.   underdog
He meant Pierre walks rarely; when he does though, it's a good thing.

Hi, I'm underdog and I'll be your translator this evening.

2007-04-16 19:01:37
38.   tskent
Why isn't Martin taking more pitches? LOL...
2007-04-16 19:02:18
39.   k0b3
37 - thanks for clearing that up.. i was about to say how does the word good = a bad thing.
2007-04-16 19:02:35
40.   Andrew Shimmin
Underdog, will you please tell D4P that bears can climb faster than they can run?
2007-04-16 19:02:39
41.   tskent
Welcome back Mr. Ethier. It's a shame you can get penalized with no RBI when you hit the living tar out of the ball.
2007-04-16 19:03:13
42.   k0b3
betemit can't even foul off a ball...he's literrally missing the ball completely
2007-04-16 19:03:28
43.   underdog
I'm actually enjoying Mark Grace. Regarding the pitch location from Gonzalez for the one that Ethier ripped: "Oh dear."
2007-04-16 19:04:47
44.   Andrew Shimmin
Byrnes in left isn't nearly as much fun as Byrnes in center. He didn't flip himself over at all, on that throw to second.

Free Eric Byrnes!

2007-04-16 19:05:38
45.   D4P
At the very least, a "Sacrifice Fly" in foul territory should count against the hitter as an AB
2007-04-16 19:05:55
46.   underdog
42 Well he drove a run home, so nyah.

40 Sure, but I have to find the right setting on my babel fish. Hold on....

2007-04-16 19:06:48
47.   Greg S
Ethier has hit the ball harder each of the last three days than he did on any day up until then. He sure seems to have figured something out. Hope it sticks.
2007-04-16 19:06:53
48.   k0b3
45 - give betemit a break hahaha...
2007-04-16 19:14:50
49.   tskent
Welcome aboard k0b3! Now let's get some insurance. Come on Juanny.
2007-04-16 19:16:34
50.   k0b3
49 - why thank you, although i've been here since the beginning of the season

i also like how pierre is working the count this time and not swinging at everything he sees.

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2007-04-16 19:16:44
51.   underdog
Well, an actual legit hit from Pierre!
2007-04-16 19:16:59
52.   Frip
We're going to be seeing alot of Jack in the Box commercials this year. Keep in mind that cheese sticks and chicken strips can be very hot. The heat isn't released until you pierce the fried shell with your teeth. Then it's too late. Just be careful.
2007-04-16 19:20:58
53.   tskent
Pierre's presence draws a 2-2 pitch out. LOL..
2007-04-16 19:21:11
54.   Gen3Blue
I gotta admit, Pierre has this pitcher working twice as hard as he normally would.
2007-04-16 19:22:20
55.   tskent
0-4 in our last 4 AB's w/RISP. Gonzo needs to come thru here.
2007-04-16 19:22:49
56.   k0b3
WILD PITCH
2007-04-16 19:23:07
57.   tskent
And Pierre's heads up base running leads to run number 3. This team can kill you in so many different ways. I LOVE IT!!
2007-04-16 19:23:12
58.   Gen3Blue
OK Pierre creates a run.
2007-04-16 19:23:23
59.   underdog
Thank you, Edgar for continuing to throw your wacky breaking stuff. And a run comes in.
2007-04-16 19:24:07
60.   k0b3
edgar needs to be a platoon pitcher...meaning he should only pitch away from chase field becuase he is 0-6 there....
2007-04-16 19:26:21
61.   underdog
Can we add caps locked comments to the 10 Commandments? Just, y'know, wondering...

One of my baseball announcer pet peeves just reared its ugly head, by the way: using "plate" as a verb for scoring. "The Dodgers just plated another run." I guess it shouldn't bother me any more since they've been doing it for years, but...

2007-04-16 19:28:15
62.   alexx
61 I agree with you about "plate". I don't think it should be used as a verb with regards to baseball or cooking.
Any idea why Gameday isn't showing MPH?
2007-04-16 19:30:13
63.   Gen3Blue
No wonder on the east coast I feel I have trouble keeping track of the western division opposition. There's an outfielder named Chris Young. Who's better--the pitcher or this one?
2007-04-16 19:32:17
64.   overkill94
Heck of a play, Andre!
2007-04-16 19:33:04
65.   D4P
Interesting start for Penny.
2007-04-16 19:33:30
66.   tskent
And Andre preser.....nevermind. LOL..
2007-04-16 19:33:52
67.   underdog
That was a nice play. Nice enough the DBacks announcers said he should get a sno-cone out of it. (A reference to a long boring story they went off on during that inning.)
2007-04-16 19:33:54
68.   caseybarker
Ethier is going to make Grady's job a difficult one.
2007-04-16 19:34:15
69.   caseybarker
...at least when Kemp comes back.
2007-04-16 19:34:48
70.   Andrew Shimmin
63- Hard to say. The Padre's pitcher was terrific last year, but the D'backs CF is a top prospect. For what it's worth, PECOTA projects the CF to be significantly more useful, over the next five years.
2007-04-16 19:36:27
71.   overkill94
Betemit finally got another hit!
2007-04-16 19:37:08
72.   StolenMonkey86
Nice double for Betemit
2007-04-16 19:37:08
73.   k0b3
wow pierre walks and betemit gets a hit??? what is this my birthday?
2007-04-16 19:38:12
74.   underdog
Any day is a hitter's birthday when the pitcher keeps tossing hanging breaking balls.

But it's still really nice to see.

2007-04-16 19:42:10
75.   Hallux Valgus
I don't ever want to hear Vin say "O-Dog, Little Dog, and Headquarters" ever again.
2007-04-16 19:43:11
76.   Frip
80 games from now, this is the type of game we won't remember.
2007-04-16 19:43:38
77.   Marty
I actually liked the old Arizona uniforms.
2007-04-16 19:43:47
78.   Bluebleeder87
I could've sworn I ordered a shirt, but I haven't received it and I don't believe I got charged for it either. Is there any way for me to verify this?

I ordered mine about a week ago & can't wait to try it on.

2007-04-16 19:43:57
79.   k0b3
another topic - anyone else think that espn broadcast yesterday by joe morgan was absolutely ridiculously bad? geez had to listen to him talk about how great he is for 4 hours
2007-04-16 19:45:28
80.   Bluebleeder87
Russell & Furcal!!
2007-04-16 19:45:47
81.   Indiana Jon
I would pay money just to go see Martin play.
2007-04-16 19:45:50
82.   regfairfield
Wow.
2007-04-16 19:46:07
83.   Hallux Valgus
jeez- that was a laser from Furcal
2007-04-16 19:46:09
84.   StolenMonkey86
82 - what?
2007-04-16 19:46:23
85.   Andrew Shimmin
Tracy should have gone through Martin. I'm glad he didn't, but he should have. He would have scored.
2007-04-16 19:47:15
86.   underdog
Oh my lord.

That relay throw from Furcal was incredible. I can't believe they nailed Tracy at home. Looks like Tracy may have just missed home plate.

Wow. Give props to Gonzo who played the carom well, has a weak arm as we know but made a good toss to Furcal.

2007-04-16 19:47:16
87.   Indiana Jon
How many outs has the opposing team made at home this year? Seems like alot.
2007-04-16 19:48:02
88.   JoeyP
Martin's gonna be lost for the season at some point if/when he gets totally ran over. Its one thing to block the plate, but he just was pretty much sat his body in front of it. Tracy could have steamrolled him.
2007-04-16 19:48:18
89.   dzzrtRatt
Is it too early to give Russell Martin the nickname Scioscia, Jr. He's a killer plate-blocker.

I love it that Vin is giving LuGo credit for hitting the cutoff man. Furcal was practically standing next to him!

2007-04-16 19:49:20
90.   k0b3
89 - yea furcal was out pretty deep...wow does that guy have a cannon
2007-04-16 19:49:40
91.   tskent
Three Dodgers played that absolutely perfectly. This is a special team. We're gellin.
2007-04-16 19:50:07
92.   Hallux Valgus
86- no one is as qualified to play the carom in that corner as Gonzo.
2007-04-16 19:50:41
93.   natepurcell
pierre needs to swing the bat harder. so you know, it goes farther then 3 bounces.
2007-04-16 19:50:43
94.   tskent
Pierre grounds out. Get the pitchforks! LOL..
2007-04-16 19:50:57
95.   Bluebleeder87
Russell Martin is only gonna get better is what's really cool. IMO. He's only been catching for what 2,3 years?
2007-04-16 19:52:11
96.   tskent
NOMAH!!!!!!
2007-04-16 19:52:25
97.   caseybarker
Nomahhhhhh!
2007-04-16 19:52:56
98.   underdog
Nomar. Deep. Another hanging pitch and thank you very much. Even Acrobat Byrnes couldn't pull that one down.
2007-04-16 19:53:24
99.   Hallux Valgus
awesome. It sure seems like we put a lot of fly balls between the warning track and about 3 feet past the wall. I guess that sounds about right.
2007-04-16 19:53:50
100.   JoeyP
Penny has given up 1ER in 17.1 IP so far this year.
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2007-04-16 19:54:25
101.   underdog
What did Freud say about people who laugh at their own jokes? Probably something about how they need a latency period. Or a latency exclamation point.
2007-04-16 19:55:21
102.   Frip
79 - Kob3, I agree. Joe Morgan feels compelled to remind us that he predicted every play. He forgets that we expect him to be an expert. He must be very insecure. But that's no excuse. The program directer needs to tell him he sounds like a jerk, or his brother, or wife...SOMEONE must get through to this man.
2007-04-16 19:55:42
103.   Andrew Shimmin
Freud was a cokehead.

lol.

2007-04-16 19:56:17
104.   JoeyP
101--I thought we were all shunning?

[Shunning Resumed]

2007-04-16 19:57:07
105.   tskent
I'm starting a petition. It's twofold.
Brad Penny is allowed to be an All Star, but....

1) He's not allowed to pitch in relief the Sunday prior.
2) He's not allowed to pitch in the All Star Game.

2007-04-16 19:58:02
106.   tskent
Latency? What does that mean silly willy?
2007-04-16 19:58:27
107.   underdog
Heh.
---
I wish Penny could pitch against Arizona and Colorado all the time.
2007-04-16 20:00:21
108.   k0b3
102 - i mean even during the dodgers game, all he did was talk about the "nationwide k zone" and how excited he was about going to the yankees/redsox game next week. I bet if you asked him, he wouldn't have known what teams were playing
2007-04-16 20:01:40
109.   tskent
Andre Ethier is 6 for his last 10.
2007-04-16 20:02:22
110.   MMSMikey
anyone read the new article on dodgers.com about schmidts velocity?

PHOENIX -- In the latest chapter of "The Disappearance of Jason Schmidt's Fastball," the right-hander had his between-starts bullpen session pushed back a day, rarely a good sign.
There still is no official injury being cited for a dramatic drop in velocity of the free-agent signee's pitches, but when other pitchers took part in long-toss in the outfield during batting practice before Monday night's game with the Diamondbacks, Schmidt instead was planted behind the screen in shallow center field collecting retrieved baseballs and definitely not throwing any. When he joined pitchers shagging in the outfield, he returned several balls underhand.

2007-04-16 20:02:32
111.   StolenMonkey86
75 pitches through 5 for Penny
2007-04-16 20:03:26
112.   D4P
So, is Penny throwing many non-fastballs...?
2007-04-16 20:03:53
113.   Ivan Alexeev
I heart Vin Scully
2007-04-16 20:04:28
114.   tskent
Russ Martin doesn't waste any time. He's probably the least patient hitter on the team. As long as he's hitting...
2007-04-16 20:08:17
115.   JoeyP
[Un-Shun]

114--Russ Martin--free swinger? You obviously have him pegged. Makes sense. Just dont look at his minor league numbers.

[Resume Shunning]

2007-04-16 20:08:18
116.   underdog
It seems like a lot more fastballs to me, not as much the offspeed stuff, but haven't been tracking it or anything. Lots of mid90s or close to it.
2007-04-16 20:08:22
117.   k0b3
crazy thought...would anyone trade russ martin for miguel cabrera
2007-04-16 20:09:15
118.   Frip
If I had to say something good about Morgan it's that he looked pretty sharp last night. Seriously, the guy knows how to wear a suit.
2007-04-16 20:09:25
119.   underdog
117 No, he's literally the one guy on the team I would absolutely not trade for anyone, not even Cabrera. There are other guys I would only trade if it involved Cabrera, basically, but no, not Martin.
2007-04-16 20:10:49
120.   underdog
Hey Gonzo actually made a good throw there from the wall.

I mean, really, it was.

Speaking of offspeed stuff, that was not one of Penny's better curveballs.

2007-04-16 20:10:58
121.   Jon Weisman
Uh oh, Bob - the old "presidents in order" thing.
2007-04-16 20:12:01
122.   regfairfield
117 Yeah. I would. Wouldn't think twice about it.
2007-04-16 20:12:13
123.   underdog
Three extreme fastballs to Hudson, strikes him out on a 97mph fastball. So, yeah, I'd say he's mostly throwing fast stuff, and it's certainly been what he's done best tonight.
2007-04-16 20:13:05
124.   shamrok
117 - No freaking way, especially after that throw right there, he was out.
2007-04-16 20:13:13
125.   MSarg29
awful call at 3b
2007-04-16 20:13:25
126.   underdog
Byrnes was totally out on that steal of third, even the DBacks announcers just said that several times. A snap throw from Martin and an early slide by Byrnes. But hey, everyone's gotta get a break.
2007-04-16 20:13:58
127.   Greg Brock
Russ is my favorite Dodger and all...

But we talkin' bout Cabrera.

2007-04-16 20:14:08
128.   k0b3
117 - i mean i would really have to consider it because cabrera is a monster with the bat and he's younger than martin i think
2007-04-16 20:14:16
129.   tskent
That goofball has one call to make all night and he blows it.
2007-04-16 20:14:17
130.   JoeyP
Byrnes should have been called out based on principle. That was just a dumb decision to even attempt to steal.
2007-04-16 20:14:36
131.   Gen3Blue
Why do we seem to have home fans as umpires in this division quite often, though I admit I didn't get a good view of that.
2007-04-16 20:15:45
132.   regfairfield
I'd like to see Penny increase his strikeout rate above two in the near future.
2007-04-16 20:16:24
133.   underdog
I saw it on TV three angles worth and in slo mo and he was out, but whatever. A gift run. Just stop throwing the offspeed stuff, Penny.

Another one hit over Gonzo's head.

2007-04-16 20:16:31
134.   Frip
Penny looks like some honky tonk bouncer.
2007-04-16 20:16:56
135.   natepurcell
For how big and "country" he is, penny is a bigtime pretty boy.
2007-04-16 20:17:20
136.   JoeyP
What could have Honeycutt have possibly said to him?
2007-04-16 20:17:31
137.   Greg Brock
132 Power pitcher with absolutely no out pitch. It's pretty frustrating.

And leads to a ton of pitches.

2007-04-16 20:17:41
138.   StolenMonkey86
135 - I think the facial hair saves him from that one.
2007-04-16 20:18:14
139.   underdog
A Beimel and Billingsley alert in the bullpen.
2007-04-16 20:18:19
140.   tskent
I'm wondering if Little lets Penny bat. I don't know what I'd do.
2007-04-16 20:18:52
141.   caseybarker
Penny with the "look what I found" play.

Time for Beimel, Billingsley/Broxton, Saito.

2007-04-16 20:19:20
142.   underdog
Nicely recovered there. I think Honeycutt said, "Get this guy to ground out to you to end the inning," and he said, "Okay dude."
2007-04-16 20:19:47
143.   Frip
How is he a pretty boy?
2007-04-16 20:19:54
144.   Greg S
Uh oh. Who's Penny yelling at now as he walks back into the dugout?
2007-04-16 20:20:15
145.   natepurcell
stupid decision but it pays off..somehow.
2007-04-16 20:20:46
146.   Jon Weisman
I saw Penny's single: I still would have pinch-hit for him.
2007-04-16 20:20:51
147.   Gen3Blue
It was so obvious Penny got a little upset and tried to sling it harder and all you had to do was stand with your bat on your shoulder, but thank god the D-backs coundln't handle something that complex.
2007-04-16 20:20:54
148.   natepurcell
How is he a pretty boy?

he seems to care about his hair... alot.

2007-04-16 20:21:20
149.   caseybarker
137

Penny does seem like a different pitcher this year. A lot of scattered hits and fewer pitches per game.

Nice, Penny.

2007-04-16 20:21:41
150.   JoeyP
Penny took out Hudson.
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2007-04-16 20:22:23
151.   shamrok
Brad you goober...
2007-04-16 20:22:40
152.   StolenMonkey86
150- Do you mean he broke up a double play or he ran into him like a linebacker?

90 pitches for the big guy through 6, for those keeping track

2007-04-16 20:22:45
153.   caseybarker
...I'd say his petite celebrity girlfriends make him a pretty boy.
2007-04-16 20:23:20
154.   JoeyP
He slid through the bag and rolled over into Hudson.
2007-04-16 20:23:38
155.   Andrew Shimmin
152- He sort of broke up a double play. He didn't start his slide till after he got to the bag, so, it was a little dicey.
2007-04-16 20:23:40
156.   Frip
He cares about getting all of it comfortably under under his cap, not about the hair itself.
2007-04-16 20:23:44
157.   StolenMonkey86
153 - That doesn't make you a pretty boy.

Ethier clean shaven - now that's a pretty boy.

2007-04-16 20:24:25
158.   natepurcell
a grounder to second...but the 2b wasnt there!
2007-04-16 20:24:43
159.   shamrok
Pierre lives!
2007-04-16 20:26:02
160.   Frip
Nomar's hot-pants, now that's a pretty boy.
2007-04-16 20:26:18
161.   Greg S
Penny was yelling as he came back into the dugout after the Bottom of the 6th and reading as best I could he was yelling something that included "coming out". I'm guessing he was telling Grady or Honeycutt what he didn't want to do. I love the fire but I thought he was done with publicly yelling.
Guess if he pitches like he has so far he can yell all he wants.
2007-04-16 20:26:19
162.   Bluebleeder87
one hopes Schmidt is just going threw a dead arm face & can recover to atleast 90-92 mph, we shell see I guess.
2007-04-16 20:26:36
163.   natepurcell
this ump sucks.
2007-04-16 20:27:12
164.   Andrew Shimmin
Eric Byrnes' frosted locks--now that's dreamy. Er, I mean, a pretty boy.
2007-04-16 20:27:20
165.   Eric Stephen
I think you let Brad bat only at 90 pitches, and let him pitch 1 more inning or until he gives up another baserunner whichever comes first.
2007-04-16 20:27:22
166.   natepurcell
Nomar's hot-pants

big fan...BIG FAN.

2007-04-16 20:27:48
167.   JoeyP
Dodgers got a break there.
That was a strike and Furcal would have been out at 3b.
2007-04-16 20:27:57
168.   StolenMonkey86
163 - what now?
2007-04-16 20:28:23
169.   natepurcell
That was a strike and Furcal would have been out at 3b.

it was low. although the pitch before it was high.

2007-04-16 20:28:28
170.   StolenMonkey86
167 - I think that answers my question
2007-04-16 20:29:18
171.   Greg Brock
Yes, it's true...Eric Byrnes is dreamy.

Booooyrnes.

2007-04-16 20:29:24
172.   Gen3Blue
This umpiring is awful. Just called a ball a strike --then called a strike a ball, and I coudn't see but Furcal may have been out. Well at least it seems to be equal oppurtunity incompetence.
2007-04-16 20:29:40
173.   regfairfield
Is anyone else starting their taxes right now?
2007-04-16 20:30:01
174.   imperabo
169 - I agree. Clear as day.
2007-04-16 20:30:10
175.   JoeyP
Melvin sure let Gonzales hang himself.
I'm surprised he let him pitch to Nomar.
2007-04-16 20:30:21
176.   StolenMonkey86
How about Grady Little? Wouldn't he be just a dream . . . to have as an uncle?
2007-04-16 20:31:07
177.   natepurcell
176

i would love to have grady as like a grandpa. hes hilarious.

2007-04-16 20:31:13
178.   capdodger
167 169 The low "ball" was close, and the catcher was moving on it. It was a much tougher call to make than the pitch before it.
2007-04-16 20:31:13
179.   Andrew Shimmin
Eric Byrnes should have an a capella boy band, except it would just be him singing all the parts. He could do Rockin' Robin.
2007-04-16 20:31:28
180.   tskent
Looks like we're on our way to the best record in baseball.......again. Let's hope it lasts more than 24 hours this time. LOL..
2007-04-16 20:31:39
181.   caseybarker
157

It doesn't make hime not a pretty boy:)

...and the way he goes through them.

2007-04-16 20:32:07
182.   Bob Timmermann
173
I finished my taxes around Feb. 4.
2007-04-16 20:32:10
183.   JoeyP
Loogy for LuGo
2007-04-16 20:33:09
184.   Greg Brock
I would very much like to whittle wood on a porch with Grady. Maybe drink some lemonade, tell Old Timey stories.
2007-04-16 20:33:16
185.   Eric Stephen
I'm watching the DBacks broadcast on EI and I would like to express my displeasure at the "sideline reporter" in baseball. Just adds nothing, while distracting from the game.

The in-game manager interviews are a waste of time too, especially when the mgr is on screen during play.

2007-04-16 20:33:22
186.   Jon Weisman
Alyssa's latest:

http://alyssa.mlblogs.com/alyssa/2007/04/my_baseball_and.html

2007-04-16 20:33:58
187.   Jay Howells Pine Tar
the fans in AZ cheer loudly for Gonzo, and he responds in kind
2007-04-16 20:34:03
188.   Marty
I did my taxes so long ago, it seems like last year. But, I do that every year.
2007-04-16 20:34:03
189.   StolenMonkey86
177 - Grady's about 3 weeks older than my dad, so I'll go with uncle
2007-04-16 20:34:34
190.   imperabo
185 The announcers are a couple of chuckleheads too.
2007-04-16 20:35:05
191.   JoeyP
Grace sounds intoxicated
2007-04-16 20:35:52
192.   tskent
That Slaten character looks really good. I don't like that.
2007-04-16 20:35:54
193.   capdodger
That guy has a really good slider.
2007-04-16 20:36:00
194.   MSarg29
Slatten did a hell of a job
2007-04-16 20:37:56
195.   Eric Stephen
I would like to enjoy a Bartles & Jaymes with Grady, thanking passersby for their support.

I would pay to listen to Grady read the phonebook.

2007-04-16 20:38:10
196.   Jon Weisman
Gonzalez awaits the double-switch, predicated on Penny getting into trouble this inning.
2007-04-16 20:38:57
197.   capdodger
So. When do would y'all pull Penny this inning?

First runner? Second?
First run?

2007-04-16 20:39:26
198.   Greg S
Kenny Lofton where are you?
2007-04-16 20:39:46
199.   mikethinksblue
186 The look on the face of Lasorda in the Santa suit with Alyssa is disturbing.
2007-04-16 20:39:46
200.   Andrew Shimmin
Maybe Hendrickson's shrink could give LuGo some pointers on how to pick up the ball.
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2007-04-16 20:40:14
201.   StolenMonkey86
197 - depends

no outs - first RISP
one out - first runner on third
two outs - first run unless someone bad is up next

2007-04-16 20:41:00
202.   StolenMonkey86
200- haha, shrink
2007-04-16 20:41:55
203.   natepurcell
from milano's blog..

I am concerned about our outfield defensively and think Gonzo throws like a girl.

heh.

2007-04-16 20:42:02
204.   caseybarker
oh!
2007-04-16 20:42:10
205.   Jon Weisman
That was sweet.
2007-04-16 20:42:11
206.   Hallux Valgus
sweet.
2007-04-16 20:42:16
207.   imperabo
Whoa
2007-04-16 20:42:18
208.   Greg S
Wow.
2007-04-16 20:42:25
209.   regfairfield
Pretty like Brad Penny.
2007-04-16 20:42:38
210.   shamrok
wow, awesome play
2007-04-16 20:44:05
211.   Hallux Valgus
206 through 208- We are eloquent!
2007-04-16 20:44:26
212.   PalmdaleSteve1
Defensive plays...Oh my!
2007-04-16 20:45:12
213.   Daniel Zappala
For those of us who can't watch the game, since it is blacked out on Extra Innings (Phoenix is so close to SLC that our FSN affiliate won't show the game, assuming we must of course be at the park anyway) ... can you please describe that play in more detail?
2007-04-16 20:45:40
214.   Bob Timmermann
Slaten's birthplace is listed as Venice, CA. Is there a hospital there? Or do you get Venice as your birthplace if you're born at Daniel Freeman?

Or maybe Slaten was just born on the beach.

2007-04-16 20:46:20
215.   Samuel
Furcal went behind the second base bag, shoveled it to Kent who caught it bare handed, stepped on the bag, and threw it to first to complete the double play.
2007-04-16 20:46:25
216.   Hallux Valgus
another catcher's interference?
2007-04-16 20:46:37
217.   Jon Weisman
Catcher's interference on a 400-foot drive by Ethier.
2007-04-16 20:46:53
218.   Bob Timmermann
I used up all my catcher's interference trivia yesterday.
2007-04-16 20:46:54
219.   Marty
Again with the catcher's interference....
2007-04-16 20:47:16
220.   Eric Stephen
wow! 2 catcher's interference in 2 days.
2007-04-16 20:47:16
221.   Jon Weisman
211 - 205 says, Gee thanks :)
2007-04-16 20:47:21
222.   imperabo
It was a gun from Kent while being taken out by the runner.
2007-04-16 20:47:42
223.   Greg S
He nearly hit it out on catchers interference?
2007-04-16 20:48:10
224.   imperabo
221 You were too polysylabic.
2007-04-16 20:48:25
225.   Bluebleeder87
I've never seen a call like that. Ethier awarded 1 base on catchers interference when he popped out to CF. weird.
2007-04-16 20:48:29
226.   Greg Brock
I've been screaming for more catcher's interference practice for years.

It's just not taught at the major league level anymore.

2007-04-16 20:48:44
227.   Hallux Valgus
221: ha- I was giving credit for a complete sentence.
2007-04-16 20:48:50
228.   JoeyP
Hopefully they didnt need that run.
2007-04-16 20:48:51
229.   Eric Stephen
Ethier must have felt guilty getting on base via CI.
2007-04-16 20:49:04
230.   StolenMonkey86
217 - Gameday is confused by this notion and has thus far done nothing.
2007-04-16 20:49:35
231.   Bob Timmermann
Catcher's interference can be "declined" by the offense if they like the result of the play. For example, if there had been a runner on third who tagged up and scored, the Dodgers could have just opted to take the out.
2007-04-16 20:49:56
232.   natepurcell
1st and 2nd with no outs sounds better then the current situation.
2007-04-16 20:50:16
233.   mikethinksblue
213 It's blacked out on EI here too (Santa Barbara County), but they don't black it out on the Game Mix channel. Granted, its a 5 x 5 inch square, but at least it's something.
2007-04-16 20:50:23
234.   JoeyP
Betemit's piling up the walks.
2007-04-16 20:51:18
235.   StolenMonkey86
after the flyout, gameday just died. what's happening now?
2007-04-16 20:52:03
236.   underdog
Well, Ethier's been swinging the bat well even the catcher sticks his ugly mitt into his swing zone.

I was on the phone for awhile when I saw Penny's slide tackle - for which he wasn't given a yellow card - and had to try hard not to chuckle.

2007-04-16 20:52:43
237.   underdog
235 Betemit walked after Ethier was thrown out trying to steal, Saenz is up as a PH now.
2007-04-16 20:54:01
238.   Eric Stephen
The AZ public address system played a video game noise after Saenz struck out, but for the life of me I can't place it.

Pac Man?

2007-04-16 20:54:21
239.   D4P
Are there other folks besides me who think that the Dodgers have been reaching base by unusual methods (e.g. CI, fielder's choice, Pierre drawing a walk, etc.) at an unusually high rate recently...?
2007-04-16 20:56:10
240.   JoeyP
Are there other folks besides me

These posts have provided some un-intentional humor since Jon's strange pseudo ban on the phrase.

Although in D4P's case--maybe its intentional.

2007-04-16 20:56:54
241.   Bob Timmermann
According to Retrosheet's files, this is the first time the Dodgers have had batters reach first on catcher's interference in consecutive games since they moved to L.A.

They are now one short of the team record for catcher's interference in a year. The 2005 team had it happen three times (Milton Bradley, Olmedo Saenz, Jason Grabowski).

2007-04-16 20:57:30
242.   gpellamjr
239 That sounds like a thinly-veiled "Is it just me, or...?" post!
2007-04-16 20:57:58
243.   Eric Stephen
I actually enjoyed that FSN commercial which showed a fan getting a foam hand surgically added to the end of his arm.

I'm sure I will tire of it somewhere around the 2,357th viewing, like most FSN commercials.

2007-04-16 20:58:20
244.   imperabo
He got a scooby doo start out of the box.
2007-04-16 20:59:54
245.   caseybarker
Billingsley needs to get into more games.
2007-04-16 21:00:15
246.   gpellamjr
My first impression of the AZ announcers was that they were a lot less partisan than most home crews. But this constant criticism of every call is getting a little irritating.
2007-04-16 21:00:19
247.   JoeyP
Grace is hammered..
2007-04-16 21:00:40
248.   D4P
Is our pitching really this good? We're making other teams look foolish, including the "first place" DBacks.
2007-04-16 21:00:46
249.   Samuel
Mark Grace just called Broxton the "biggest man in the world".
2007-04-16 21:01:21
250.   imperabo
Sounds like Chris Farley doing color for the Dbacks.
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2007-04-16 21:01:23
251.   shamrok
These Diamondback announcers are hokie, but I'm kinda digging them.
2007-04-16 21:01:31
252.   underdog
Mark Grace is high on... life.

He's certainly excited by the sight of Broxton. "The biggest man in the world!"

2007-04-16 21:01:50
253.   MSarg29
Mark Grace is making me uncomfortable.
2007-04-16 21:02:22
254.   Gen3Blue
173 As its been years since I got a refund, and I have all these transactions, I never used to start my taxes this early. But for some reason I did them last weekend w/Turbotax. I must be starting to grow up--this is awful.
At least I like these announcer's. They don't seem to be "Homers" like most of them these days.
2007-04-16 21:02:27
255.   underdog
Darn, Sam beat me to it.

Yeah, I get a kick out of Grace. These guys are homer-ish but they're good at crediting the other team a lot.

2007-04-16 21:02:46
256.   Eric L
So are we really sure that this Ethier kid can't play CF?
2007-04-16 21:02:57
257.   underdog
Thank God that was hit to Ethier and not to the other corner of the OF. Whew.
2007-04-16 21:03:19
258.   D4P
If we keep playing like this, I'm going to abandon Sabremetrics and go back to Chemistry and Character.
2007-04-16 21:03:31
259.   Hallux Valgus
Dear KCAL 9- neither one of those options seem particularly appealing.
2007-04-16 21:04:24
260.   Gen3Blue
Is that Mark Grace? I saw him in minor league ball in Pittsfield Ma. As I recall I think he could sing the National Anthem.
2007-04-16 21:05:05
261.   underdog
256 I'm not sure he can't.

Are the Dodgers sure Pierre can?

---

I did TurboTax again to efile this year and even though it costs money it's so easy and more convenient.

I also get to crack up at some of the more oddball IRS deductions - those of the "this is not common" variety.

2007-04-16 21:05:46
262.   caseybarker
Mark Grace is the answer to my favorite trivia question.
2007-04-16 21:06:33
263.   underdog
260 He was also a pretty decent major league player. And all around goofball when he played, too.

I remember the blowout game in which he pitched and gave up a home run to David Ross (I think?, his first, I think...)

2007-04-16 21:06:46
264.   gpellamjr
I just don't like the two-man booth. It just seems like the announcers talk about anything but the game.

Of course, I don't like the enlightenment. Oh well. It's Vin, Nietzsche, and me against the world.

2007-04-16 21:07:55
265.   Eric Stephen
Never was a big Thom Brennaman fan, and I have liked Daron Sutton since his Angel radio days, so count me among those that don't hate the DBack announcers.

And I almost misspelled "count" in the previous paragraph. Thank God for spell check. I probably would have violated many rules, Curb-style.

2007-04-16 21:08:06
266.   caseybarker
263 that's the question. The final score was 19-1.
2007-04-16 21:08:21
267.   regfairfield
I think I'm going to be one of those guys that John Beard interviews at the post office.

"So why did you wait until the last minute to do your taxes"

"Because I'm an idiot. There, are you happy?"

2007-04-16 21:08:23
268.   underdog
If Broxton comes in, I may not be able to listen to Grace any longer. He's going to drool into the microphone, make me highly uncomfortable.
2007-04-16 21:08:29
269.   imperabo
I recall Grace and Larry Walker exchanging barbs to each other writen on the infield dirt. Walker was at first for some reason that night. It was amusing.
2007-04-16 21:08:31
270.   robohobo
263. He was one of those guys that would bat with out batting gloves.
2007-04-16 21:08:33
271.   Eric L
261 I was trying to say that without saying it. Though I don't comment much anymore, I'm sure that I'll violate rule #8 regarding Mr. Pierre.

I was listening to Rick and Charlie on the way home the other night and they helped me come up with a nickname for Juan. I'm partial to calling him Two-Hopper Pierre until further notice.

2007-04-16 21:08:54
272.   Jon Weisman
240 - It's not a pseudo-ban anymore. And there's a reason for it.
2007-04-16 21:09:12
273.   caseybarker
Come on, Chad.
2007-04-16 21:09:18
274.   Samuel
263

Didn't Mark Grace strike somebody out too?

2007-04-16 21:09:40
275.   Greg S
245. Ask and ye shall receive.
2007-04-16 21:09:49
276.   Bob Timmermann
Thom Brennaman is gpellamjr's cross to bear now in the Buckeye State.
2007-04-16 21:10:08
277.   Eric Stephen
262 who is the only player to lead a decade in hits not in the HOF? (excluding Pete Rose)
2007-04-16 21:11:27
278.   underdog
266 Ah hah. I was accidentally playing Jeopardy there.

Oh good, it's C-Bills. So Grace doesn't have as much of a man-crush on him, thankfully.

2007-04-16 21:11:29
279.   Hallux Valgus
262- I used to call him "Deep Fly To Second" when he waswith =the Rockies.
2007-04-16 21:12:03
280.   GMac In The 909
257 As much as I heart Kemp, Ethier makes me feel safe when he's hitting and fielding. Stealing second, not so much.
2007-04-16 21:12:30
281.   Greg S
Hey, Jon's not kidding. He has handed down a new tablet with two new commandments. New to me anyway.
2007-04-16 21:12:45
282.   imperabo
272 Just read the new rules. I love number 13. I can't stand it when people cry censorship without knowing the meaning of the concept.
2007-04-16 21:13:02
283.   robohobo
271. Pierre seems to pull the ball alot. You'd think that part of his strategy would be to hit to the left side to at least make the throw as long as possible.
2007-04-16 21:13:17
284.   Greg S
They keep on coming! Like Dodger wins.
2007-04-16 21:13:36
285.   MSarg29
Billingsly looked good.
Nice win
2007-04-16 21:14:25
286.   Gen3Blue
262 I'll bite --tell all.
Hey we win. And I like a guy like Grace whose more hammered than I at 12:30 EST(or whatever)
2007-04-16 21:14:34
287.   Hallux Valgus
jeez- 279 was to 271. That was just ugly.
2007-04-16 21:15:07
288.   Aug C
re: the d'back announcers
Watching via mlb.tv and these AZ announcers absolutely LOVE Broxton and Billingsley. I tell you, it's almost disturbing how much these guys love them.
2007-04-16 21:15:50
289.   underdog
That was a nicely pitched game by the Dodgers.

The Owings-Tomko matchup tomorrow is a little hard to predict, so I'm glad they got this one.

Now go finish your taxes! Lest you end up like Homer Simpson, doing them at the 11th hour, making up stuff, tossing a bunch of receipts in the envelope, taping it into a ball with masking tape, and then throwing it into the post office at the last minute (after stopping for a hot dog). Or, something like that.

2007-04-16 21:15:53
290.   robohobo
Good win tonight. It seems like the Dodgers often won games in similar fashion last year.

Tom Candiotti on the Dbacks radio post game show

2007-04-16 21:16:01
291.   caseybarker
286, 263
2007-04-16 21:17:55
292.   Jon Weisman
Most of the time that people say something like "Is it just me," it's not just them - and it's a dead giveaway that they haven't been reading what other people are saying before making their own comment. That's a major pet peeve for me.

The bigger problem relates to the false martyrdom some people have brought from time to time to this site. It basically goes like this:

Commenter A: I believe X (which happens to be a minority viewpoint).

Commenter B: I disagree.

Commenter A: This site doesn't allow minority viewpoints to be heard.

It really bothers me when disagreement is misinterpreted as suppression.

I just want people to say what they think. How many people agree with them is not relevant. It doesn't make their opinion more or less valid.

"Is it just me" contributes nothing to the discussion and occasionally detracts. That's why I don't like it.

2007-04-16 21:18:18
293.   underdog
So is 288 a rule 14 violation? ;-)

But seriously, got to do some work now. Night all.

2007-04-16 21:21:09
294.   caseybarker
I think what makes this board better than others is that many posters are diligent in doing research. I think this cuts down on the example given in 292.
2007-04-16 21:21:31
295.   Gen3Blue
I get it. Goodnight all.
2007-04-16 21:23:38
296.   das411
277 - Could it beeeeeeee a certain DBack broadcaster? Or do you mean Future Dodger Ichiro Suzuki? ;)

...did I really see only one comment on the new unis for Arizona? C'mon people, not everybody can watch the game here, do they really look just like the Astros/Angels/Reds/etc?

and finally....Paul Bako sighting!

http://www.royalsreview.com/story/2007/4/12/0309/48001

2007-04-16 21:28:03
297.   underdog
296 They look an awful lot like the newish Astros uniforms, yeah, except with a bizarro angular font straight outta Photoshop. Not ugly but not unique. But then their old unis were pretty ugly, if you ask me.
2007-04-16 21:28:33
298.   Eric Stephen
296 You were channeling Church Lady there.

And, yes, it was special.

2007-04-16 21:29:54
299.   Bob Timmermann
296
Paul Bako made an appearance on the Griddle tonight.
2007-04-16 21:30:52
300.   Indiana Jon
Rule 11 will further limit my already limited posts.
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2007-04-16 21:33:13
301.   D4P
It's a minor point, but I think the current #10 should always be at the end of the list, and I don't care whether anyone else agrees with me or not.
2007-04-16 21:52:24
302.   Eric Enders
#14 is going to be problematic for me personally, since there are occasionally times when I can't bring myself to plow through an entire 500-post game thread.
2007-04-16 21:57:39
303.   D4P
Kirk Gibson, Dodgers MVP in the magical title year of 1988, faced the Dodgers as an opponent for the first time since he left as a free agent in 1992. He's Bob Melvin's bench coach with the Diamondbacks.

But he could have been the Dodgers' Triple-A manager this year.

"I interviewed, but they never offered me the job, and while I was waiting, Bob Melvin called and I took this job, which I love," said Gibson. "But if the Dodgers had offered the Vegas job, I would have taken it."

I don't recall this. Um, does anyone else...?

2007-04-16 22:04:22
304.   Benaiah
Is rule number 11 a big problem? I can appreciate that the list is "thank you for not" so it isn't a matter of censorship, but rather some guidelines, and I guess this is an example of that. Well, I will refrain from my usual double shot of "Moneyball kool-aid.*"

*3 parts grain alcohol, 1 part crystal meth, a spoonfull of sugar and 2 drops of blue food coloring, to make my tongue turn Dodger blue.

2007-04-16 22:26:59
305.   Greg Brock
Feral children alert on the Nat'l Geographic Channel.
2007-04-16 22:29:39
306.   Greg Brock
And congrats to Juan Pierre for his first truly outstanding game in a Dodger uniform. 2 hits, a walk, two runs scored, and a stolen base.
2007-04-16 22:30:31
307.   Bob Timmermann
304
In my opinion, I think rule #11 is vital.

But I still think the 18th Amendment and the Volstead Act are in effect.

2007-04-16 22:36:45
308.   godvls
214 - Not all of us were born in hospitals. I was born at home in West L.A. Apparently, my mom wasn't quite sure what was happening and my dad was too tired to do much after a late night at the UCLA-Purdue game. Maybe something like this happened to Slaten's parents. :)
2007-04-16 22:39:27
309.   Greg Brock
I was born by the river, in a little tent...
2007-04-16 22:40:18
310.   s choir
Until they invent the internet breathalyzer test, rule 11 will be difficult to enforce.

Don't think such technology is impossible. Please see:

http://www.internetmammogram.net/

Warning. NSFW.

2007-04-16 22:53:29
311.   Eric Enders
I was born blue and weathered
But I burst just like a supernova
2007-04-16 23:05:53
312.   GMac In The 909
310 Assuming the technology finds its way to DT, what's the legal limit here? .04 + .01?
2007-04-16 23:06:34
313.   KAYVMON
In the ESPN summary of today's game, they are reporting that Schmidt had an MRI on his "right arm" and the team "expects to receive the test results in the next few days." Let us assume it is shoulder. Would they really have him pitch or even have a bullpen session without knowing the results yet? I hope not. In any case, I think Schmitd has a DL stint in the near future. Hendrickson, Billingsley, or Kuo?
2007-04-16 23:11:49
314.   Greg Brock
Can't be: Kuo
Will be: Hendrickson
Should be: Billingsley
2007-04-16 23:14:58
315.   Eric Enders
313 The latest Gurnick says Schmidt's bullpen session was pushed back a day. Presumably if the MRI is unfavorable it will be pushed back much further than that.

Kuo's about ready to start pitching rehab games. Maybe he could make a nice transition into Schmidt's spot if the need arises.

2007-04-16 23:17:20
316.   Eric L
310 There are days in my past that I wish such a test was invented. I wouldn't have ordered as much useless crap from Amazon or E-bay after a guys night out if a breathalyser was involved.
2007-04-16 23:22:49
317.   Eric Enders
Apparently Taiwan's biggest telecom company was in need of a facelift and a more "hip" image. Their solution: Having the CEO appear in TV ads with Hong-Chih Kuo.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/a38ddeb2-ec73-11db-a12e-000b5df10621.html

2007-04-16 23:37:47
318.   s choir
Luis Gonzalez, quoted in Steve Henson's piece, on the Diamondbacks:

"I understand why they are doing what they are doing," he said [referring to the D'Backs' youth movement]. "I can't say why publicly, but I understand why. I was here a long time. I know a lot of things other people don't know.

"They have good young players, but I'm not saying they have a chance to win. We have a chance to win."

Discuss.

2007-04-16 23:43:34
319.   Eric Enders
A bit off-topic here, but a friend is trying to compile a list of all the Mexican-American players currently in MLB. Would appreciate any additions to (or even excisions from) the list we've come up with. So far we have:

Rod Barajas, c, Philadelphia
Jorge Cantu, 2b, Tampa Bay (sent to minors)
Eric Chavez, 3b, Oakland
Matt Chico, p, Washington
Chad Cordero, rp, Washington
Johnny Estrada, c, Milwaukee
Andre Ethier, of, LA Dodgers
Randy Flores, p, St. Louis
Brian Fuentes, rp, Colorado
Nomar Garciaparra, 1b, LA Dodgers
Matt Garza, p, Minnesota (sent to minors)
Chris Gomez, inf., Baltimore
Adrian Gonzalez, 1b, San Diego
Mike Gonzalez, p, Atlanta
Eddie Guardado, rp, Cincinnati
Adam LaRoche, 1b, Pittsburgh
Andy LaRoche, 3B, LA Dodgers (sent to minors)
Sergio Mitre, p, Florida
Freddy Sanchez, 2b-3b, Pittsburgh
Russ Ortiz, p, San Francisco
Carlos Quentin, of, Arizona
Omar Quintanilla, 2b-ss, Colorado (sent to minors)
Horacio Ramirez, p, Atlanta
Anthony Reyes, p, St. Louis
Rudy Seanez, rp, LA Dodgers
Michael Young, ss, Texas
Joel Zumaya, rp, Detroit

2007-04-16 23:51:03
320.   skybluestoday
Elmer Dessens, rp, Milwaukee Brewers.
2007-04-16 23:55:22
321.   CanuckDodger
On his blog, Tony Jackson calls the sitcom Alice "one of the funniest shows ever." Between people like this and, oh, Osama bin Laden, sometimes I really despair when I think of some of the people with whom I share planet earth. Kiss my grits, Tony.
2007-04-17 00:11:34
322.   overkill94
319 The LaRoches are Mexican? And Michael Young? That's news to me.
2007-04-17 00:21:14
323.   Bob Timmermann
Would Elmer Dessens not count on Eric's list since he is a Mexican native and not a Mexican-American?

The LaRoches originally had the family name of Garcia.

2007-04-17 00:29:52
324.   Bob Timmermann
Is Jonny Gomes of Tampa Bay Mexican-American?
2007-04-17 00:32:59
325.   Eric L
Man, why couldn't my future spouse have a cooler hispanic surname? You would think with a fairly common last name like Ruiz that there would be a player or two that was worth a spit, but no... it has to be a Martinez or Ramirez that gets all the glory!
2007-04-17 00:42:11
326.   CanuckDodger
325 -- Unless you are planning to become Eric Ruiz, what does it matter?
2007-04-17 00:54:33
327.   Samuel
So Ethier's slump was a result of using a different bat...good thing he switched back to the old one.

"The end of his early-season slump coincided with switching back to the heavier bat he used last season when he hit a team-leading .308. He went from a 31-ounce bat to a 32 and rapped out five hits in a row beginning Sunday."

http://tinyurl.com/22ofu3

2007-04-17 01:05:56
328.   overkill94
325 Ruiz is more of a Portuguese name anyway.

I waited for a long time to get a namesake in the majors, but unfortunately Erubiel didn't quite follow through on the promise that he once showed.

2007-04-17 01:23:37
329.   Eric Enders
323 Yes, we're looking for American-born guys so Dessens doesn't count. Jonny Gomes I will have to do more research on. The spelling leads me to believe he might be of Portuguese ancestry like Davey Lopes.

After 130 years of major league baseball, I finally got a namesake in the majors. Unfortunately, he sucked.

2007-04-17 01:27:44
330.   overkill94
327 The logistics are a bit silly, but the mental factor cannot be underestimated.
2007-04-17 08:16:21
331.   gpellamjr
Jon is a prophet... or at least he knows a lot about the Dodgers. In reading his 6/3/03 post on the 2003 draft, in regards to the Dodgers' drafting Billingsley and Tiffany:

"Can't you just see these guys being traded in 2007 for a middle reliever?"

Well, it was 2006, and Tiffany was only part of the trade, but we did get crappy relievers in return.

2007-04-17 08:18:33
332.   Ken Arneson
319 I take it, since you're including some minor leaguers, that you're looking at players on the 40-man roster? If so, youc an include you can add Randy Flores's brother, Ron, who is on the A's 40-man roster.
2007-04-17 08:25:08
333.   kegtron
319 I'm pretty sure Gerald Laird is Mexican American.
2007-04-17 08:35:38
334.   Benaiah
Dodgers pitchers have a line of .182/.357/.318 in 28 Plate Appearances this year, with one home run and 6 walks. In other words, the Dodger starters have more walks that Gonzo and Pierre put together in a quarter of the plate appearances. I would definitely take a .357 OBP from the #9 spot this year.
2007-04-17 08:36:03
335.   gpellamjr
331 Of course, it's not too late for Billingsley...
2007-04-17 08:38:36
336.   Bumsrap
I apologise to everybody in advance for this post and I do not intend to make another comment to this thread.

319 Which generation does the Great American Melting Pot simply make an American born person merely an American?

I don't consider myself to be English-American. That tag belonged to my great, great, great, great, great, great, somebody and who knows how many countries are represented in my gene pool?

2007-04-17 08:41:29
337.   D4P
334
You can add that to my list in 239. It has a been a strange season thus far.
2007-04-17 08:42:26
338.   D4P
Come to think of it, prior to Furcal's return, maybe opposing teams were pitching around our pitchers to get to Pierre.
2007-04-17 08:46:12
339.   kegtron
If Pierre is such a hard worker, why doesn't he hit the weight room?
2007-04-17 08:49:59
340.   D4P
There was an article the other day that mentioned Pierre lifting weights. I think he's just naturally skinny and weak.
2007-04-17 08:50:59
341.   Benaiah
336 - I don't think it ever happens if you aren't generically white. Italian-Americans, Chinese-Americans, African-Americans, ect. I think it is a point of cultural pride to highlight where you came from, but expressing English-American doesn't sound right. Maybe it is because America is English anyway. It is like saying American-American, though that sounds a bit racist (like everyone else is less American). My heritage is a hodge podge of stuff from the Isles, English, Scottish, Irish and a hint of something else unknown (my grandfather was adopted), so maybe you only lose that prefix when you actually have been melted into the pot.
2007-04-17 08:55:39
342.   underdog
I'm sure this was mentioned earlier, but just in case - Peter Gammons extols the virtue of Russell Martin on ESPN, but it's an Insider column, so I can only read the first few paragraphs. Drat.

http://tinyurl.com/2jjhh2

"It was no one-hit wonder that Russell Martin had three hits, stole a base, scored three runs, knocked in two and threw out a baserunner on Jackie Robinson Night. Martin is, without doubt, the Dodgers' best player, not only because he is arguably the best defensive (and certainly the most athletic) catcher in the National League or because he finished that night hitting .366.

But because Martin plays like Robinson, sixty years later."

2007-04-17 09:02:35
343.   Benaiah
Six pitchers on the Dodgers currently have struck out a batter per inning or more: (in descending order) Tomko, Saito, Saenez, Schmidt, Broxton and Hendrickson.

Yet, only three of these are likely to strike out batters at that rate (Broxton, Saito and Saenez, career K/9 of 9.5). This would seem to point towards some regression on the horizon (though Schmidt and Saenez have ERAs over 5 anyway).

2007-04-17 09:10:34
344.   s choir
Which generation does the Great American Melting Pot simply make an American born person merely an American?

336 As an American-born, partially-melted-American (I'm mixed between two immigrant ethnicities), my answer is that you lose the hyphens when people stop asking "what are you" or "where do you come from" or "what is your background" at parties, social events, and job interviews, when what they really want to know is "why are you brown?"

2007-04-17 09:12:15
345.   caseybarker
I like to think of America as a reactor por more than a melting pot. Instead of being simply mixed, we become something else which is stronger than the sum of its parts.
2007-04-17 09:19:14
346.   caseybarker
reactor POT
2007-04-17 09:26:38
347.   Bob Timmermann
344
As a certified American mutt (German, Croatian, Irish, and English), I didn't realize how upset Asian-American friends of mine were when they got asked "Where are you from?" until the last 10 years or so.

When you can answer the question "Where are you from?" and say "California" or something similar, then congratulations, you've become assimilated! You can pick up your bonus check on the way out.

2007-04-17 09:34:42
348.   s choir
When you can answer the question "Where are you from?" and say "California" or something similar, then congratulations, you've become assimilated!

Unfortunately, in my experience, that response inevitably invites follow-up questions like:

"But what's your ethnic background"
"I mean, where are your parents from" or
"You know what I mean."

And, for the record, I don't mind being asked these questions, as long as they're not among the first questions asked. If someone first takes the time to get to know me as a person, asking about my ethnic background is perfectly acceptable.

2007-04-17 09:35:38
349.   kegtron
Eric, here is an article I read a while back on Latin-American ball players.

http://www.sacbee.com/502/story/45127.html

(subscription required - but free)

2007-04-17 09:38:59
350.   Bob Timmermann
348
Yes, I agree with that. I forgot about the "followup" questions that people seem to feel that they are obligated to ask.
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2007-04-17 09:40:13
351.   Jon Weisman
Sorry for the problem with the T-shirt store, but it is now operational again.
2007-04-17 09:43:54
352.   Benaiah
348 - My best friend is Vietnamese, and every time he sees an Asian person he can tell me what their ethnic background is (of course we don't ask them, so maybe he just makes it up to fool me). Either way, I think it natural to be curious, and some of us gringos just don't have the skills to differentiate (wow, talk about skating around a stereotype). Then, I don't pose that question either.
2007-04-17 09:44:58
353.   Vishal
[340] i'm not the most naturally muscular person in the world either, but i've been able to put on 20 pounds of muscle in the past 3 months (i was pretty scrawny before), and if i can do it, a professional athlete like pierre should be able to get stronger too.
2007-04-17 09:46:45
354.   Vishal
[347] i always say california, because that's where i was born. i can't really be from anywhere else.
2007-04-17 09:50:32
355.   D4P
353
I was thinking he already had put on the muscle. He's listed at 5'11, 180 pounds. I wouldn't be surprised if, prior to lifting weights, he weighed 160 pounds or so.
2007-04-17 09:53:52
356.   s choir
353 Since speed is Pierre's game, I don't think he'd want to add 20 pounds of muscle. It would just slow him down. He's got a small frame anyway, so there's only so much muscle he can pack in there without gaining lots of weight.
2007-04-17 09:58:29
357.   Vishal
hahah, i'm 5'10", 155 lbs. now, so i guess i'm not quite at the point where i feel "weighed down". in fact i'm probably quicker because my legs are stronger. the realization that i'm still smaller than juan pierre is a little discouraging though.
2007-04-17 09:59:34
358.   Jon Weisman
DT gets linked by votefortheworst.com!
2007-04-17 09:59:40
359.   Jon Weisman
http://www.votefortheworst.com/forum/topic2827.html
2007-04-17 10:00:33
360.   kegtron
I was surprised to see Jimmy Rollins listed at 5'8, 168 lbs.
2007-04-17 10:05:27
361.   Greg S
I don't watch AI but I can tell you that they were indeed booing. They weren't until they panned to that Sanjaya guy. And he put up his hands like "oh come on, why?".
2007-04-17 10:07:13
362.   Greg S
By the way, doing a Google seach to find the spelling of "Sanjaya" the top result is a news story that says "Sonjaya booed at baseball game"... from the TImes of India.

U. S. A.!!!

2007-04-17 10:09:33
363.   katysdad
The topic presented by Bumsrap in 336 reminded me of this exchange from the box office hit (Gross $40,697,761 USA 1986 dollars!) Short Circuit between Steve Guttenburg and Fisher Stevens (playing a man of what appears to be Indian descent, including the accent):

Newton Crosby : Where are you from, anyway?
Ben Jabituya : Bakersfield, originally.
Newton Crosby : No, I mean your ancestors.
Ben Jabituya : Oh, them. Pittsburgh.

2007-04-17 10:23:33
364.   D4P
A bit off-topic, and not meant to violate any rules, but I sometimes think the media coverage of events such as the Virginia Tech shootings does more harm than good.

On the one hand, media purists presumably believe it's their "duty" to report the news. More cynically, these stories are obviously good for ratings and for selling papers and magazines.

On the other hand, though, I have to think that the attention the shooters get makes shooting much more attractive to potential shooters than it might otherwise be. If you're a "loner" and want attention or want to "be somebody" or want to "go down in a blaze of glory" or whatever, it seems to me that the more media coverage these events receive, the more appealing they are to people who would actually consider recreating them.

There are certain "bad events" that make sense for the media to widely communicate and cover, such as the spinach ecoli thing or the poisoned pet food thing. Those are important for us to hear about because we can actually alter our behavior in ways that make us safer. But in the case of a school or workplace shooting, for example, what can we really do about it other than not go to school or work anymore, which isn't really feasible?

I'm not so much arguing that these events shouldn't be covered at all, but I nevertheless can't rule out the possibility that the coverage does more harm than good.

Any thoughts? I know there are some media folks around here, and I thought it might be interesting to hear your perspectives.

2007-04-17 10:27:46
365.   Inside Baseball
359, 361
No wonder they didn't find any evidence of booing, they linked to a April 16 post from 2005. Coincidentally, there was a musical reference in the title.

http://dodgerthoughts.baseballtoaster.com/archives/166055.html

2007-04-17 10:31:52
366.   Curtis Lowe
364- Damned if you do, damned if you dont.
2007-04-17 10:32:54
367.   s choir
364 I don't expect any good to come from a tragedy like this, so I don't know why the media in particular should be required to contribute anything good.

Regardless, someone who is going to shoot up a school, fly a plane into a skyscraper, or otherwise terrorize innocent civilians isn't going to stop being an antisocial psychopath just because the media ignores him. Terrorists don't just kill people for attention. I think they do it mainly because they are seriously disturbed.

2007-04-17 10:35:09
368.   D4P
367
You may be right, but I still have to think that the sensationalism makes things worse.
2007-04-17 10:40:01
369.   Dodgers49
313. Hendrickson, Billingsley, or Kuo?

Grady said a few days ago that the next person into the rotation, if needed, would be Hendrickson.

2007-04-17 10:51:24
370.   Benaiah
369 - I don't have a huge problem with this, despite the fact that Billingsley is much better than Hendrickson. One of my favorite things about Little is how he plays the hot hand, and so far this year Hendrickson has been phenomenal and Billingsley has been terrible. If Big Bird stays hot, great, if not, then maybe that is the first step towards eventually getting him off the team. Billingsley needs to walk less and strike out more, anyway. Kuo is injured, but hopefully Hendrickson's eventual meltdown will coincide with Kuo rejoining the team.
2007-04-17 11:01:33
371.   blue22
370 - Hot hands and hopeful trade-baits Tomko and Hendrickson have a combined line of 17 IP's, 5 hits, 2 earned runs, and a 20:4 K:BB ratio.

That is startling to me, and I'd hope that they jump to trading one of these two quickly.

2007-04-17 11:01:37
372.   natepurcell
is the shirt store going to open til the end of today?
2007-04-17 11:03:48
373.   old dodger fan
364 I don't know about California but in Virginia the news reporting has been appreciated. Everybody knows somebody at Tech. I probably know 15 students there (children of friends). Lots of stories in the office. I know one young man who was on the floor above the shooting in the Engineering building. Another student worked with the shooter on a project last year.

Interestingly as the news was coming in yesterday I was following CNN and Dodgerthoughts. On one level it seemed kind of stupid to be reading about baseball during such a tragedy while friends were trying to find out if their kids were OK but it was kind of theraputic to me.

Sports can fill a void in our lives though I can't explain why.

That's enough rambling from me for now.

2007-04-17 11:05:43
374.   D4P
That is startling to me, and I'd hope that they jump to trading one of these two quickly

The problem is that Colletti is precisely the kind of GM who would trade (and has traded) for this type of player. He's the kind of GM who is likely to believe that their current performance is somehow indicative of their true performance, and that they've suddenly "figured it out". He's not the kind of GM who recognizes that you should trade these players when they're overachieving and their value is high. Rather, he's the GM on the other end who wants to acquire them.

2007-04-17 11:13:35
375.   underdog
374. is sort of true, but didn't he also quickly realize he'd made a mistake with Baez and traded him for a pretty decent young hitter?

Does that count for anything? I'm just saying I wouldn't assume, especially since he has Grady's ear and Grady has to deal with these guys more directly, that he wouldn't at some point turn around and trade away one of the older players if a deal presented itself.

2007-04-17 11:16:21
376.   blue22
375 - But Baez was bad. Should Tomko and Hendrickson's respective performances continue to defy their abilities, they should be "sold high", not ridden until they equilibrate.

I was hopeful that the reason Tomko made the rotation was to be showcased and sold after he made a few good starts. Fingers crossed!

2007-04-17 11:20:34
377.   Greg S
Baseball truism: you can never have too much pitching. Case in point: Jason Schmidt situation. I'm thinking that a round robin that shuffles in Hendrickson, Kuo and Bills wouldn't be so bad. What do we need to trade for, prospects? At this point, pitching depth seems more needed.
2007-04-17 11:22:13
378.   Bumminglory
The only evidence of Colletti trying to sell high which I can recall was Cody Ross. Has ned tried to sell high on a veteran yet?

Colletti doesn't seem to mind packaging underperforming veterans as add-ons or throwaways in deals. see: Baez

2007-04-17 11:24:15
379.   Greg S
376- equilibrate... nice.
2007-04-17 11:26:15
380.   Bluebleeder87
Looking up Cesar Izturis numbers because of the Cub game at the moment, He's of to a very slow start his OBP is really bad also.
2007-04-17 11:31:21
381.   Jon Weisman
372 - yes
2007-04-17 11:38:18
382.   underdog
376 377 Ya both make good points. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Yeah, I don't know - short of packing a position player like Betemit with a pitcher for another 3bmen or OF-er, they'd otherwise trade for prospects (which wouldn't be a bad thing if they were good prospects), but I'm all for more pitching depth at this point.

2007-04-17 11:45:11
383.   kngoworld
382 What about packing players like Valdez or Betemit and Hendrickson or Tomko for better pitching depth.
2007-04-17 11:48:57
384.   Benaiah
382 - Who would trade better pitching for Tomko and Hendrickson? If we trade Betemit, who can man his position better than him? He has a .105 BABIP right now, that is going to go up (a lot). If we could trade Gonzo, Pierre, Betemit, Tomko and Hendrickson and get back Alex Rios, Cabrerra, Dontrelle Willis and Rocco Balldelli, then yes, let's do it. But I don't think we could get any of those players for that.
2007-04-17 11:49:35
385.   Benaiah
384 was meant for 383.
2007-04-17 11:56:19
386.   kngoworld
385 You don't think teams with a small surplus of pitching would be willing to trade a better pitcher away then Hendrickson and receive Betemit also? I think we could get some callers. Once Betemit is moved, Valdez or Martinez can play third until laroche is ready. Or in a dream scenario they move Nomar to third and welcome home Loney!
2007-04-17 11:57:55
387.   kngoworld
385 I am not asking for a CY Young caliber pitcher, just someone more consistent then Hendrickson or Tomko.
2007-04-17 12:00:10
388.   Bumminglory
387 what teams or pitchers do you have in mind?
2007-04-17 12:00:50
389.   blue22
I don't think many teams will get fooled by Tomko. I think his history makes it too obvious that this is a hot start. Hendrickson might still have some appeal, and could be desired by a team in need of some help in the back of the rotation.

Combine Hendrickson with (who I personally think will be traded) Ethier, and that could fetch some good, young, live arms.

2007-04-17 12:01:31
390.   Bluebleeder87
the realization that i'm still smaller than juan pierre is a little discouraging though.

Cesar Izturis is 5'7 190, that makes me feel discouraged. :o)

2007-04-17 12:05:52
391.   Benaiah
390 - 190 pounds at 5'7 is a lot. I am 6 feet tall and when I am at 195 I look a little pudgy. How can Cesar be so nimble with all that weight?
2007-04-17 12:07:50
392.   madmac
391 uh muscle weighs more than fat?
2007-04-17 12:10:15
393.   bhsportsguy
There are not a lot of teams with 4 decent starters let alone 5. Tomko and Hendrickson, at their best, fit the definition of a 5th starter, pitch 5-6 innings and give the team a chance to win about 50-60% of the time. A lot of teams would be succesful if that 5th spot actually won or the team won 50% of the time when that spot came up in the rotation.

I think the issue for Dodger fans is twofold, if healthy, the Dodgers have two young pitchers who are projected to be much better than the 5th spot profile in Chad and Hong-Chih and they are cheaper, 800K, compared to 7 million for Tomko and Hendrickson.

That being said, given Schmidt's condition, I think the team will wait and see for time being but I don't put off a deal with those two in the future. And actually, if Hendrickson as put something together, he is the better option for teams, he would still be under their control and he would be pretty cheap as a 4th - 5th starter.

I wonder how he'd look in pinstripes.

2007-04-17 12:10:59
394.   kngoworld
388
Braves (Redmen, McBride, Soriano)
Cubs (Hill, Miller, Howry)
White Sox (Garland, Aardsma)
Tigers (Zumaya, Rodney)
Pirates (Maholm, Capps)

There are plenty...

2007-04-17 12:12:32
395.   Greg S
391- He is listed most places as 5' 9" which I would guess is accurate. 5' 7" 190 is a lot.
2007-04-17 12:15:11
396.   D4P
uh muscle weighs more than fat?

2 pounds of muscle weighs more than 1 pound of fat

2007-04-17 12:16:13
397.   kngoworld
297 but does 2 pounds of fat weigh more than 1 pound of muscle?
2007-04-17 12:16:47
398.   kngoworld
sorry that is for 396
2007-04-17 12:19:30
399.   D4P
but does 2 pounds of fat weigh more than 1 pound of muscle?

Hmmm, depends. Are we talking trans, saturated, unsaturated, or what...?

2007-04-17 12:23:15
400.   tskent
That deal with Oakland from two offseasons ago is still looking pretty good.

Antonio Perez's futility continues at Sacramento...

.121/.143/152/.294

Ethier's recent hot bat has gotten his OPS to .748. That's .005 points higher than Milton Bradley's current .743 OPS.

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2007-04-17 12:24:31
401.   Bumminglory
pretty decent pitchers. In that case trading betemit/Hendrickson for the one of the younger guys (Hill, Aardsma, Zumaya, Maholm etc). Though I think we can rule out Atlanta the White Sox and the Cubs from wanting to sell their high ceiling pitchers for betemit.
2007-04-17 12:24:42
402.   underdog
The Tigers aren't going to trade Zumaya for a retread starting pitcher, even if the Dodgers threw in an Ethier or Betemit, no more than the Dodgers are going to trade Broxton, imho.

Also, we already have some good young live arms - their names are Billingsley, Kuo, Tsao, Elbert, and so on. (And So On plays for the Great Lakes Loons, I believe.) I'd rather the team trade for more offense prospects, if anything.

2007-04-17 12:25:09
403.   bhsportsguy
And in terms of depth:

AAA: Greg Miller, Tsao, Stults, Houlton, Hamulack.
AA: Elbert, Orenduff, Meloan, Hammes, Megrew
Low A: Kershaw, S. Johnson

DL: Kuo, Brazoban

I think our pitching depth is not too bad, Lowe and Penny are signed through 2008, Schmidt is through 2009, Wolf has an option for 2008 (guaranteed if hits 180 IP), Saito is signed through 2008 (and he is under Dodger control after that though arbitration eligible), Broxton, Billingsley and Kuo are all under the Dodger's control for a while.

2007-04-17 12:26:50
404.   bhsportsguy
402 same wavelength. BTW Legion LOI from Michigan was released, UCLA among his top 4 teams.
2007-04-17 12:35:10
405.   katysdad
Jon, I have some information that might interest your readers. However, I would like to run it past you first.

I tried using the "Write to Jon" link but it didn't work.

Could you send me an e-mail at johno@gohrs.com?

2007-04-17 12:36:44
406.   Bumminglory
402 TINSTAAPP, a lot of those guys have to overcome their injury histories... but yeah, you're right about Zumaya.

389 why is Ethier on his way out? outfield is the one area where the Dodgers don't have a lot of young talent

2007-04-17 12:37:06
407.   Jon Weisman
Posted with great fatigue and no further comment:

http://www.laobserved.com/echopark/2007/04/dodgers_traffic_hungry_for_sco.php

2007-04-17 12:38:12
408.   bhsportsguy
For fun, take a look at this

http://tinyurl.com/yr53sc

All I will say is that last year, Russell Martin and Brad Penny were roommates so I think he may have some insight already and no this is not going to be like that story about Luke Walton and Britney Spears.

2007-04-17 12:41:49
409.   blue22
408 - Keith Law's chat on ESPN last week said that Penny had "landed" Eliza Dushku. I wonder if he just meant Alyssa Milano, but if it's true - well played, Brad. Well played, indeed.
2007-04-17 12:44:36
410.   goofus
A Frapper Map would be nice here: http://www.frappr.com/?a=feedback&type=vm
2007-04-17 12:45:13
411.   Benaiah
408 - Alyssa's favorite player is Martin, so at least she has good taste.
2007-04-17 12:45:24
412.   bhsportsguy
407 Let me just say this, if it is a public street then I am not sure what you can do about it.

You can add those annoying speed bumps but that's about it.

I did hear Ms. Johnstone on the radio yesterday and she basically sounded as if she read Jon's piece last week too (Maybe Josh R. forwarded it) she said that they (the Dodgers) understood that the parking situation has not been solved yet, they studied the flows and patterns over the first week and are making adjustments (some gates get more preferred (inner circle) parking passes, etc.

But while not ever saying sorry, she tried to shed that we are going to make these changes and we are not listening to you image. So I thought it was interesting to hear and certainly to hold them accountable since she guaranteed things will be noticeably better this weekend.

2007-04-17 12:45:39
413.   blue22
406 - Kemp seems to be the favorite son, and it's my guess that they wouldn't mind seeing Loney succeed in the OF (along with Pierre and LuGo). Just speculating, but I just don't see Ethier having a future here.
2007-04-17 12:46:26
414.   bhsportsguy
409 Brad confirmed that on a radio interview a few weeks ago. He also said he and Alyssa are and were always just friends.
2007-04-17 12:49:10
415.   goofus
I guess I should explain what it is for some people. It is a map of the US or the World where members, IF THEY CHOOSE, can list their name or screen name and address and they are physically located on the map. Then Member X can see where Member Y lives or see which members are located close to him. Nice for arranging meetings and ball game trips.
2007-04-17 12:50:13
416.   blue22
There's one for DT already. Scroll allllll the way down on the right.
2007-04-17 12:58:46
417.   Bumminglory
413 I could see how trading Ethier could be seen as a vote of confidence for Loney.

Though ideally Nomar could move to 3B with Loney playing everyday at his natural position, since Ethier is IMO a better player than Betemit now. And by the time Nomar's contract is up LaRoche could move from 2B (having taken over for Kent) to 3B.

2007-04-17 13:01:22
418.   goofus
416 Now I see. It's not labeled Frappr, it's called "Plant Your Flag" under "Dodgerland".
2007-04-17 13:04:18
419.   Benaiah
417 - Trading Ethier right now is the definition of selling low. He has struggled for months, he finally puts together two good games and then you trade him before his value can go down even further. Basically your 100 dollar stock became a 20 dollar stock, but it is up fifteen cents today, so sell!
2007-04-17 13:05:12
420.   Benaiah
419 - In closing, I think Ethier is an 80-90 dollar value, so don't sell him right now.
2007-04-17 13:05:31
421.   blue22
417 - I think if there was any chance Nomar plays anywhere besides firstbase, we'd have seen it in Spring Training. I don't think the club has any interest in moving him at all.
2007-04-17 13:06:42
422.   madmac
396 yes, that is the point I was making. the question mark was there because I did not want to imply the original poster was fat.
2007-04-17 13:09:14
423.   Benaiah
422 - I didn't take offense because I am a body builder who doubles as an underwear model (and I moonlight as a superhero).
2007-04-17 13:09:32
424.   blue22
419/420 - Unfortunately there's the Dioner Navarro prescedent working against us. I see this playing out the same way (Ethier unloaded to make way for Loney, not for the purpose of getting something of value in return).
2007-04-17 13:10:50
425.   Bumminglory
419 I know. I don't agree with the move, but I wouldn't put it past this FO.

need I mention the Jones' (Andruw and Torii) hitting the FA market in '08 yet tying up another CF in '07 to a 5 year contract because of what I would call "post opt-out clause" panic

2007-04-17 13:11:28
426.   s choir
Right now, Ethier is the best defensive outfielder on the team. The Dodgers can't afford to trade him.
2007-04-17 13:13:25
427.   Bumminglory
425 I meant Torii Hunter, not Torii Jones
2007-04-17 13:14:27
428.   blue22
426 - But in 6 weeks, Kemp will be back and Loney will be hitting .380 while playing the OF in AAA. Unless Nomar, LuGo, and/or Pierre get hurt, something's got to give. For some reason, I just don't think the organization has a lot of faith in Ethier.
2007-04-17 13:15:58
429.   tskent
I just noticed something WILD!

Cla Meredith pitched 2.1 innings for Boston in 2005.
Cla Meredith pitched 50.2 innings for SD in 2006.

Cla Meredith gave up more runs in 2005 (7) than he did in 2006 (6).

My mind is BLOWN AWAY right now.

2007-04-17 13:18:42
430.   madmac
423 it's all making sense now ;)
2007-04-17 13:19:08
431.   Bluebleeder87
418

I'm in there, I'm the one with the baseball uni.(Pureros)

2007-04-17 13:23:48
432.   Bluebleeder87
399

I get confused, all I do is try to eat healthy & work out 5 times a week. Plus professional athletes have nutritionist & all that.

2007-04-17 13:26:25
433.   katysdad
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2007-04-17 13:26:37
434.   KOREAN GUY
wow, 23 yr old Korean national, resident alien........same here.

living in LA and moving to Placentia was quite a culture shock, but not quite enough to drive me to commit such montrosity, but very sad indeed and to a very slight degree "felt"(not undertand, but felt)

"f..the world, me against the world"
- I don't think the "antisocial psychopath" would be the appropriate term for someone who felt compelled to pre-meditate and carry out such horrible acts. "antisocial psychopath" would be best describing someone who puts up a front socially and plans out murder with the utmost evil intent. somehow i feel like evil intent wasnt his sole motive. I feel for his parents first and foremost because all the victims already has the condolences of everybody in the world, including my most sincere condolences.

I'm I total out of touch in stating the above?

2007-04-17 13:29:39
435.   katysdad
Also FYI, just to avoid any confusion, I am not associated with BDD. I recieved an e-mail from them with the help wanted notice and thought one of the Dodger Thoughts contributors might be interested.
2007-04-17 13:31:51
436.   dsfan
One of my favorite Dodgers prospects is a CF in the Cal League, Jamie Hoffman. Nice to see him get off to a good start. Didn't play a lot of baseball before the Dodgers drafted him, is still raw, but a good athlete, runs pretty well. He had a chance to become a professional hockey player. Would be neat to see him get the hang of baseball.
2007-04-17 13:32:52
437.   ToyCannon
Ned's two biggest winter purchases have been big zero's, our 3b is hitting less then a buck, we've missed our 2nd best player(Martin in now numero uno) for the 1st week and 1/2 and yet here we sit proudly on top of the Western Division as we play into week 3 and yet I feel uneasy but that is probably just 20 years of unfulfilled expectation weighing on my psyche.
2007-04-17 13:41:52
438.   s choir
434 Your similarities to the perpetrator probably lead you to identify with him, but no one knows yet what was up with this guy and why he did what he did. It might have been a culture shock thing or it might have been something else entirely. Who knows what set it off.

I don't want to tell you what to do or how to feel but it's probably bad for your mental health to put yourself in his shoes just because you share his background. I'll stop psychoanalyzing you now.

2007-04-17 13:42:58
439.   Benaiah
437 - Well, we are playing well, but I can see why you would be uneasy. The pitching has been overly good from suspect people- Tomko and Hendrickson- and we are getting very good performances from Martin, Valdez and Gonzo that are likely to regress. On the other hand, Schmidt and Billingsley were terrible, and I expect that to improve, and Furcal, Betemit, Kent and Pierre will all improve or improve over their position.

We have the best record in baseball but only the third best run differential (by a huge margin though) so we are due for some regression anyway. Still, we look very good so far.

2007-04-17 13:53:25
440.   Bluebleeder87
By the way the Cubbies & Pads are all tide up in the 9th
2007-04-17 13:55:16
441.   bhsportsguy
439 Tomko has pitched once and Hendrickson has pitchd in the three blow out games where our starter (Lowe once, Jason, twice) lost the game so I don't think you can say the pitching has been suspect.

Wolf has pitched well enough to go 6 innings in each start (which is pretty big considering the lack of innings we got last year) and Lowe and Penny are doing well but one could have projected that.

Saito, Broxton and Beimel are again doing what they did last year.

While they are not hitting as well with RISP, I saw that for the time being, they lead the league hitting with runners on (.309), which is pretty good considering the plights of Betemit and Pierre.

2007-04-17 14:06:22
442.   Eric Enders
Here are the seven most recent teams to start off a season 9-4:

Houston 2006
Final result: Missed playoffs

Boston 2006
Final result: Missed playoffs

Chicago White Sox 2005
Final result: Won World Series

Houston 2004
Final result: Wild card

Minnesota 2004
Final result: Won A.L. Central

Florida 2004
Final result: Missed playoffs

L.A. Dodgers 2004
Final result: Won N.L. West

2007-04-17 14:14:49
443.   Curtis Lowe
442- So theres a 1-7 chance the Dodgers win the World Series?
2007-04-17 14:18:07
444.   KOREAN GUY
s.choir-

yes, you're absolutely right! I agree it's natural to feel for a second and even easier to forget and move on...thanks!

How do you guys feel about just going ALL speed and "nomar" power via trades?

trading...

prospects for someone like a crawford.
pitching for someone like a, a, a speedy utility player to play 3rd base? (figgins come to mind)

ex.

loney, kuo, ethier for crawford?
hendrickson/tomko, betemit, B-level prosp. for figgins?

2007-04-17 14:21:15
445.   KOREAN GUY
furcal
figgins
crawford
nomar
kent
lugo
martin
pierre

good contact, great speed, adequate power from 3 and 4 slots. + schimdt regaining velocity = world series in 2007!!

2007-04-17 14:21:32
446.   Benaiah
442 - I don't think a team had ever gone 12-2 and then finished with a losing record, but we did. I think we look great, but it seems like a lot of things are going right. For example: Brad Penny has a Fielding Independant Pitching score of 3.94, and an ERA of .89. He has an WHIP of 1.23, 38% bigger than his ERA. Wilson Valdez has the third most Win % Added among the hitters, even though he had a .510 OPS last year. I am excited, we look good, and there are signs that this isn't just a fluke, but we will need the hitting to get a lot better.
2007-04-17 14:22:19
447.   KOREAN GUY
I meant from the 4 and 5 slots...maybe adequate isnt the word...
2007-04-17 14:24:57
448.   Benaiah
444 - No thanks to Figgins. He is the rich man's Juan Pierre. If he can keep his average up than he is decent, but he should only play in the middle of the field. I would bat Martin second anyway.
2007-04-17 14:31:26
449.   Dodgers49
444 - Crawford? Figgins? For me all I ask is that we let our youngsters play. I really like the ones we have. Kemp, Loney, Eithier. I'd keep all three. But instead of blocking them I'd play them. Instead, we sign Juan Pierre.
2007-04-17 14:34:38
450.   GoBears
446. *I don't think a team had ever gone 12-2 and then finished with a losing record, but we did.

Which is exactly why these early season records are so worthless as predictors. The team that finished 20 games below .500 in 2005 was not the same team that started 12-2. Same uniforms, but vastly different (and inferior) personnel, due to the historic number and severity of injuries.

I'm not telling you anything you didn't know. Just emphasizing the point. I think you have it just about right in 439.

I don't even look at the standings until June or July. Right now, I just look at the performance. W-L records will more or less (in Pythagorean terms) work themselves out by the end of the season. The questions now are about individual underperformance or overperformance, and how much of that is luck and how much is real (and likely lasting) decline or improvement.

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2007-04-17 14:37:37
451.   Benaiah
450 - So in that sense, what do you think? Who will in improve, who will regress, and who just has that breakout look? Martin is the answer to every question.
2007-04-17 14:41:41
452.   Dodgers49
>>> We just received Yhency Brazoban and he'll be starting for us today in San Bernardino. <<<

Does anyone know what happened with Brazoban? I checked the 66ers site and they still have Sunday's game up (he was supposed to pitch Monday).

2007-04-17 14:56:53
453.   Eric Enders
452 There were no games scheduled in the Cal League on Monday. I'm guessing that Yhency pitches tonight, and that Watson either misspoke or thought his entry was being posted today.
2007-04-17 14:57:49
454.   GoBears
451. As I said, I think I basically agree with your 439. Players who are underperforming (Betemit, Billingsley, Ethier) will improve; players who are overperforming (Gonzales, Valdez, Penny) will regress.

To me, the wild cards are Nomar, Pierre, Schmidt, and Wolf. I worry about whether we'll get career-average years out of them.

2007-04-17 14:58:06
455.   Eric Enders
Maybe there will be some "Ghame Over" shirts in the stands in San Bernadino tonight!
2007-04-17 14:59:46
456.   Eric Enders
454 Another wild card is Martin. Clearly he's really very good, and yet clearly he's also overperforming. It will be interesting to find out how much of what he's doing is genuine improvement and how much is just randomness.
2007-04-17 15:01:28
457.   Marty
456 And how fast he burns out if Grady doesn't rest him. We have a very good backup catcher and should use him.
2007-04-17 15:01:34
458.   Eric Enders
ie66er.com reports:

"April 16, 2007 - San Bernardino, CA - Hard throwing right-handed pitcher Yhency Brazoban joined the 66ers Saturday as he continues to battle back from a season ending injury in 2006, which resulted in Tommy John Surgery.
...
Brazoban could be in a 66er uniform as early as this Tuesday when the 66ers open a three game series with the High Desert Mavericks."

2007-04-17 15:05:50
459.   D4P
442
Along those same lines, last night I looked at the correlation between team records after 13 games and team records after 162 games, in 2006. There was a moderate positive relationship, that was marginally significant (at p=.065).
2007-04-17 15:06:48
460.   GoBears
456. Yes.

457. Double yes. I think Martin is better than last year, but I also worry that he'll have nothing left by the dog days. Lieberthal needs to get a regular start every week, and maybe 3 every 2 weeks.

2007-04-17 15:13:55
461.   GoBears
459. I'm actually surprised it's that strong. After 13 games, a team has played 4 opponents - not likely to be a representative sample of the strength of schedule. Also, injuries are likely to loom larger until every team has had their "fair share" over a longer series of games.

All of that is arrayed as noise against the basic insight that good teams should beat bad teams, no matter when they play each other, and therefore that teams that start well probably are better than teams that start poorly.

But I'm also willing to bet that if you were to keep running that correlation after each game, it should get stronger and stronger.
It would be weird if it weren't almost monotonic (such that, e.g., the records after 30 games, were worse predictors than the records after 13 games).

By the end of the year, of course, it will be perfect (by definition).

2007-04-17 15:17:18
462.   Jon Weisman
Since Opening Day on April 2, Martin has 13 games in 16 days. I think the reason it seems like he's not resting is because of the off days the Dodgers have had.

The Dodgers are currently playing 10 games in 10 days - let's assume with some assurance that Lieberthal will start at least one of those games. With the off day on April 23, Martin will have played in 17 games in 22 days. Again, for April, not that bad.

I understand what happened last fall, but I think it's stil too early to worry about Martin burning out.

2007-04-17 15:19:06
463.   D4P
I'm actually surprised it's that strong

I was too. I think I'll go look at different points in the season to see how the magnitude and significance of the correlation changes.

2007-04-17 15:19:31
464.   Eric Enders
Of course, we all remember the big collapse after 12-2. But I don't think we can say it enough: The depth we have now, which we didn't then, will protect us against injuries and make a repeat of that collapse darn near impossible. Our depth both on the roster and in the high minors is truly stunning, and, I would hazard a guess, better than that of any other team.
2007-04-17 15:22:25
465.   Eric Enders
Meanwhile, I'm trying to figure out whether it's worth it to me to pay 5 bucks to read Gammons' article on Martin.
2007-04-17 15:25:12
466.   Jon Weisman
I think one comparable between 2005 and 2007 is Oscar Robles/Wilson Valdez. If you recall, Robles got off to a real hot start with the Dodgers (thanks in part to a big series in Colorado). Little was expected of either, but both impressed with their defense and surprising hitting.
2007-04-17 15:38:22
467.   Eric Enders
I did actually expect good things of Robles, though. He had an ultra-fantastic minor league record while Valdez had an ultra-mediocre one.
2007-04-17 15:39:36
468.   Bob Timmermann
465
But you can read in depth profiles of the NFL draft from Mel Kiper Jr. too!

Mel Kiper, Jr.!

2007-04-17 15:39:58
469.   D4P
463
OK. The following are the correlations (i.e. "r"s) between teams' final winning % and their % at the specified point in the season.

After roughly 41 games: .626
After roughly 81 games: .789
After roughly 121 games: .919

All are significant at the .01 level.

2007-04-17 15:49:31
470.   GoBears
466. Right. The question is whether current management will bench a Valdez/Robles when that hot start ends. And it's not just up to Little. Whether Colletti will bring up an Abreu or a LaRoche, trade for another mediocre vet, or do nothing is the choice that frames Little's decisions.

DePodesta didn't have the depth to really make a choice there, so Tracy had to make his decisions based on the roster he had. Still, as we know, Tracy managed to make the worst decisions available a lot of the time (Jasons Jaysons everywhere).

Colletti has the depth, both in terms of AAA, and in terms of an expanded budget to waste on the Neifi Perezes of the world. Time will tell.

2007-04-17 15:55:42
471.   Jon Weisman
Starting eight tonight for the Dodgers is the same as Monday, according to ITD.
2007-04-17 15:57:45
472.   Greg S
I don't know this to be true but I would guess that Colletti would never make a move with current roster players without Grady's agreement on that move. Don't think that was true with DePo/Tracy.
2007-04-17 15:58:49
473.   kngoworld
471 Oh yeah! How about letting us know that with a new post/thread already!

Just kidding!

2007-04-17 16:03:16
474.   kngoworld
It's just that it has been almost 24 hours since this one was posted and I am beginning to get restless. If I don't get my fix of a daily Dodger Thoughts post I get a little cranky.

What can I say, you spoiled us.

2007-04-17 16:08:03
475.   Eric Enders
474 Maybe the slogan on the DT t-shirts should have been: "It's like crack, only cheaper."
2007-04-17 16:10:01
476.   Eric Enders
John Rocker's father was killed today when he was hit by a dump truck.
2007-04-17 16:17:16
477.   GoBears
I don't know this to be true but I would guess that Colletti would never make a move with current roster players without Grady's agreement on that move. Don't think that was true with DePo/Tracy.

May be true. But as damaging could be the move that is not made (i.e., bringing folks up from AAA).

2007-04-17 16:21:30
478.   D4P
I think it's safe to say that Depo didn't consult Tracy on every (if any) transaction. What's not clear, however, is what Depo expected to happen. Did he just expect Tracy to automatically play the players that he (Depo) wanted him (Tracy) to play? Was he (Depo) surprised when he (Tracy) played the "wrong" players? Did he (Depo) just plan to wait until the end of 2005 and then fire him (Tracy), without having to address the problems?
2007-04-17 16:30:15
479.   TomJPhil
Hi, ordering a shirt now, but for some reason the site doesn't show the logo on the shirt at checkout. Is this normal or has the deadline passed?
2007-04-17 16:38:21
480.   Jon Weisman
479 - That's normal.
2007-04-17 16:43:11
481.   deburns
465 Eric, don't waste your $5. Everything he says is CW. Martin is great, good mix of veterans and youngsters (Dodger talking points, as I'm sure you've noticed from the ads), Furcal and Pierre lend a youthful spark at the top of the order (!!) and Schmidt is a question mark. Now what do I get for saving you $5?
2007-04-17 16:46:48
482.   Eric Stephen
Bummer for me (in San Diego) that tonight's Dodger game is not on Extra Innings. Oh well, MLB audio it is!

I'm still kicking myself for deleting my DVR recording of the first 30 minutes or so on Sunday's ESPN broadcast, only because I got chills during Vin's intro and the ovation. After 58 years, he has to know he has a special place in Dodger fans' hearts, and yet he still seemed genuinely embarrassed by the thought of 56,000 cheering him so loudly. "Please, thank you" is classic Vin.

Saying the most while saying the least.

2007-04-17 16:47:18
483.   Jon Weisman
Sports officials with grudges - disciplined.

http://tinyurl.com/37uhb8

2007-04-17 16:53:18
484.   Eric Enders
Too bad David Stern has no authority over Cowboy Joe West.
2007-04-17 16:57:17
485.   TomJPhil
480 - Thanks
2007-04-17 16:58:47
486.   El Lay Dave
483 I read about that earlier - seems like a pretty extraordinary move to suspend a game official for his in-game conduct. One imagines that whatever Joey Crawford said pales in comparison to what might be said between baseball umpires and managers, especially in the past. What sorts of things might Harry Wendelstedt, for instance, have said to Tommy Lasorda? Or Bill Haller or Nestor Chylak to Earl Weaver or Billy Martin?
2007-04-17 16:59:28
487.   Jon Weisman
New post up top
2007-04-17 17:00:38
488.   El Lay Dave
41 seconds! Ouch.

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