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Historic Relief Performance by the Dodgers
2007-04-30 15:20
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

The Dodgers learned the following from Dave Smith of Retrosheet:

In the last 50 years (since 1958), only five teams have accomplished what the Dodgers pulled off yesterday. In the game, the relief corps allowed just three base runners in more than 10 scoreless innings of work. The last time a team did that was the Red Sox on Aug. 20, 1997, in a game in which Nomar Garciaparra played. Coaching first base that day for the Red Sox and yesterday for the Dodgers was Dave Jauss, while Grady Little was Boston's bench coach. Prior to that, the only other teams to accomplish that feat were the Indians (4/27/84), Tigers (8/24/63) and the Dodgers (7/9/59). In that July 9, 1959 game for Los Angeles, Roger Craig pitched 11 innings of relief and allowed just three hits.

I'd also note that Norm Larker pinch-hit for Dodger starter Danny McDevitt in the top of the third inning in that game and hit a three-run homer. Those were the Dodgers' only runs until the 13th inning.

* * *

Tonight's game:

CBSSportsline.com

Gameday

Retro Gameday

Update: Mike Lieberthal replaces Russell Martin in the starting lineup, batting eighth, and Wilson Betemit returns - batting sixth.

Comments (383)
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2007-04-30 15:34:59
1.   Bluebleeder87
Roger Craig pitched 11 innings of relief and allowed just three hits.

you just wont see that anymore.

2007-04-30 15:35:47
2.   Branch Rickey
So Dave Jauss, Nomar and Grady somehow affect relief pitchers positively and hitters negatively by their mere presence. I get it! Correlation = causation. This world is simple.
2007-04-30 15:38:20
3.   overkill94
I guess JoeyP was right when he said it was one of the best relief performances ever.
2007-04-30 15:40:20
4.   Bluebleeder87
i posted somewhere else that we'll probably feel the effects of our relievers work yesterday for about a week or so. Hope i'm wrong.
2007-04-30 15:41:05
5.   Jon Weisman
4 - The off day Thursday should solve any lingering problems.
2007-04-30 15:44:42
6.   underdog
If only Randy can bypass his usual first inning struggles today and pitch into the 7th, that would be nice, though unlikely.
2007-04-30 15:47:13
7.   Marty
Yeah, I doubt Roger Craig could get out of the first now.
2007-04-30 15:49:13
8.   Faramond
Didn't Hershieser pitch 7 scoreless against the Stros in that 22 inning game?

-----------------------------

I'll be at the game tonight --- leaving soon in fact.

I'll have notes about the game tomorrow on dodgerama.blogspot.com, for now I put together a preview of the Snakes team the Dodgers will face.

The young players on the Snakes are all sort of struggling right now.

2007-04-30 15:51:09
9.   Jon Weisman
Update: Mike Lieberthal replaces Russell Martin in the starting lineup, batting eighth, and Wilson Betemit returns - batting sixth.
2007-04-30 15:51:23
10.   Bluebleeder87
5

That's good know.

2007-04-30 15:55:51
11.   jasonungar07
Glad the room service didn't linger!!
2007-04-30 16:00:29
12.   Hythloday
7 - He was a heck of a running back in the 80s though (which would probably have been his 80s too).
2007-04-30 16:02:45
13.   alexx
Todd "The Anti-Pierre" Helton now has 24 walks and 4 strikeouts on the season after getting five walks last night against the Braves. His OBP is .523.
2007-04-30 16:03:06
14.   GoBears
9. Good news.
2007-04-30 16:04:09
15.   ROC
9 Hmm...can't say I remember a recent Dodger batting both 8th & clean-up in the same month, especially April. Was Beltre the last to do that? Maybe Kemp did it last year?
2007-04-30 16:05:38
16.   underdog
9 Ah hah! I win the bet on Lieberthal starting tonight (I had with myself...)

Today's subject header would have been "hysteric relief performance by the Dodgers" this time last year...

2007-04-30 16:06:54
17.   underdog
The weird thing is Lieberthal is really not a clean-up nor an 8th place hitter.
2007-04-30 16:16:23
18.   Xeifrank
I see the key for both teams in tonight's game as getting to the other team's bullpen as early as possible. The Dodgers because they are outmatched as far as the two starting pitchers go. The Diamondbacks because the Dodgers bullpen is thin tonight with yesterdays 17 inning game. Both teams would be wise to work the count whenever possible and Wolf needs to just concentrate on throwing strikes and avoiding the base on ball, while taking his chances with the defense behind him. This should be the one game of the series that the DBacks are favored to win at DS. vr, Xei
2007-04-30 16:26:08
19.   Eric Enders
15 Kemp never batted in the 8-hole last year, not even as a pinch hitter.

Ethier had five starts batting cleanup and one start batting eighth, but separated by about a month and a half.

James Loney misses on a mere technicality, starting in the 8-hole on Sept. 28 and in the cleanup spot on Oct. 1.

2007-04-30 16:27:35
20.   Eric Enders
That 9/28 game was the career day, so I guess it merited a promotion to cleanup.
2007-04-30 16:29:05
21.   Eric Enders
Loney also started in the 8-hole on October 7 (not a regular season game though).
2007-04-30 16:30:07
22.   GoBears
15-19.

To me, the much more important point is that Lieberthal is in the lineup at all, not where he's batting. In this case, I think it's a good thing, because Martin needs some time off. If ever a lineup decision underscored how unimportant batting order is (relatively to lineup presence), this one does.

2007-04-30 16:32:36
23.   jujibee
listen to Kershaw pitch live at:

http://www.midmichigannews.com/aplay/audioplay2.html

Start time is 4:30 PT.

2007-04-30 16:33:14
24.   bhsportsguy
23 At the gametime temp is 86 degrees, just like home for Clayton.
2007-04-30 16:34:48
25.   jujibee
24. You heard that too, ehh? Hopefully he just dominates today. He's been pretty impressive of late, but I'd like for him to shut them down today, followed by a Brandon Webb loss tonight.
2007-04-30 16:38:52
26.   bhsportsguy
Differing reports on Elbert though the result is the same. The Jacksonville paper reported that Elbert was sent to Inland Empire to rehab his sore shoulder while today's Baseball America Prospect Blog reported that Elbert is still in Jacksonville but that the Dodgers are being cautious with his return with his sore shoulder.

No mention of any return date in either place.

2007-04-30 16:39:13
27.   Eric Enders
I didn't realize that everybody's favorite obscure yet memorable Dodger, Garrry Ingram, was the first base coach for the Loons this year.

Is Mike Ramsey somewhere in the system too?

2007-04-30 16:44:15
28.   blue22
23 - An interesting, subtle twist to the Giants/Dodgers rivalry in upcoming years will be the respective successes of Tim Lincecum and Clayton Kershaw.

Lincecum (who was still available when LA took Clayton in last year's draft) struck out 14 in 6 innings yesterday, including 10 in a row. He'll be in the Giants rotation by the end of May.

2007-04-30 16:45:16
29.   natepurcell
kershaw is pitching today. i totally forgot about that.
2007-04-30 16:48:18
30.   JoeyP
Lincecum (who was still available when LA took Clayton in last year's draft) struck out 14 in 6 innings yesterday, including 10 in a row.

Wow.
Its hard to believe he only went 11th or so in the draft. Scouts must have not liked his size (He's small for a pitcher).

Why not bring up now?

2007-04-30 16:49:08
31.   natepurcell
30

it wasnt just his size, he also has an unorthodox delivery although it didnt bother me much.

2007-04-30 16:49:33
32.   blue22
30 - His ERA in AAA is 0.29. Russ Ortiz, you're officially on notice.
2007-04-30 16:50:29
33.   bhsportsguy
1st Inning Kershaw
Strikeout on called 3rd strike
Walk after a full count
Wild pitch runner to second
Swinging third strike for out number 2
Walk number two on a full count
Swinging third strike for out number 3

BTW Kevin Mench did his best imitation of Juan Pierre, reaching first on an error by the pitcher and then going to second. He stole third and then scored on a balk.

2007-04-30 16:50:33
34.   JoeyP
I'd suspect there havent been many pitchers dominate the PCL like he has thus far.
2007-04-30 16:51:03
35.   blue22
31 - I youtube'd his delivery after hearing so much about it. I was disappointed; I didn't seeing anything really weird about it. I was expecting some gnarly Koufax-like leg kick or something.
2007-04-30 16:51:13
36.   natepurcell
announcer says kershaw is having trouble locating his curveball in the early going.
2007-04-30 16:54:36
37.   Xeifrank
35. Yeah, I didn't find it all that wierd either. Just a little hitch in his leg kick and a really long stride. I read something somewhere about how when he was growing up (probably in High school), his father helped him mimic a few of the deliveries of some of the more successful major league pitchers who had a history of not having arm injuries. I guess this is what they came up with?? vr, Xei
2007-04-30 16:55:04
38.   bhsportsguy
30 Its an interesting debate, Lincecum maybe the number one prospect in the game at this time and Kershaw is probably the number one pitching prospect under 20 and could be the number one lefthand pitching prospect no matter what age is being used.

After listening to Logan White over the weekend on BP radio, while not saying that Kershaw would be up tomorrow, it certainly sounds like Kershaw could be here faster than the 3+ year path that Chad and Scott Elbert are taking.

2007-04-30 16:56:34
39.   blue22
Some Lincecum footage:

http://tinyurl.com/265ss7

2007-04-30 16:57:48
40.   underdog
Too bad there's no Gameday for Single A ball games (understandable). My damned sound card is fried on my work computer.
2007-04-30 16:58:52
41.   natepurcell
haha they played carlos santana when carlos santana was up to bat.
2007-04-30 17:00:09
42.   JoeyP
Is Lincecum's closest comp Tim Hudson?
Hudson is small right hander, out of college, throws hard but not super hard.
2007-04-30 17:01:36
43.   natepurcell
42

nah. Lincecum throws harder then hudson and has different stuff.

lincecum is more roy oswalt with a nasty 12-6 yacker.

2007-04-30 17:01:58
44.   blue22
42 - He reminds me more of a right-handed Billy Wagner (short, other-wordly strike out numbers), but I don't how their stuff matches up.
2007-04-30 17:02:28
45.   natepurcell
Lincecum is Sabean's Savior. thats how good he is.
2007-04-30 17:02:32
46.   Eric Enders
Lincecum throws super-hard. Triple digits in college supposedly.
2007-04-30 17:05:23
47.   FirstMohican
45 - Let's see if Sabean can avoid trading away another savior to the Twins.
2007-04-30 17:05:29
48.   Eric Enders
Kershaw is pitching to Lou Gossett. For some reason he insists on being saluted and called "sir."
2007-04-30 17:08:01
49.   Indiana Jon
Is Lincecum comparable to Pedro Martinez maybe? I realize he's not that good yet, but there do seem to be similarities in size, stuff, and numbers so far.
2007-04-30 17:09:04
50.   natepurcell
49

lincecum doesnt have pedros all word change up. His fastball does move like pedros either.

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2007-04-30 17:09:11
51.   natepurcell
doesnt
2007-04-30 17:12:04
52.   bhsportsguy
Baseball America had Lincecum as their number two player in the draft but in all their mock drafts, they had him going after the 10th pick.

I guess words like short and unorthodox delivery scared some teams.

2007-04-30 17:12:40
53.   CanuckDodger
38 -- What else did Logan White have to say in that interview, if you don't mind? My Commodore 64 ain't set up for audio.

People sometimes express wonder how 16 teams passed on drafting Roger Clemens in 1983, allowing the Red Sox to take him 17th overall, but Clemens made a big leap in terms of his stuff in the small window between his college and pro career. In Lincecum's case, his stuff was just as electric in college as it is now, yet 9 teams passed on him, including the Dodgers, whose scouting director (before his promotion to a higher-ranking job) I considered the best in the game. I think Lincecum -- with his pitching frame strikingly similar to that of a pre-pubescent girl, will either end up a Pedro Martinez or Roy Oswalt (scrawny men with weird deliveries who have avoided arm problems against all expectations) -- or will bust.

2007-04-30 17:13:24
54.   underdog
The Tigers also got a steal in Andrew Miller. Those three guys are all going to be terrific and should have the teams picking ahead of LA, Detroit and SF feeling embarrassed.
2007-04-30 17:15:47
55.   CanuckDodger
53 -- Make that, Pedro Martrinez avoided arm problems FOR A LONG TIME.
2007-04-30 17:18:22
56.   CanuckDodger
54 -- I think Andrew Miller is incredibly over-rated. I don't like his delivery, and he is only in high A now and not doing that well (this after some of his supporters thought he would be ready for the majors right out of college).
2007-04-30 17:18:52
57.   Jim Hitchcock
53

You need to upgrade to a Commodore Amiga :)

-----

Pretty satifying weekend, overall...though following a 17 inning game on th ESPN bottom line can be a bit exasperating.

2007-04-30 17:23:29
58.   FirstMohican
http://www.fresnobee.com/189/story/43277.html

I think this calls for a...

Tim Lincecum doesn't ice after complete games not because he doesn't need it, but because ice instantly evaporates upon contact with his arm.

2007-04-30 17:23:56
59.   Benaiah
I think that small pitchers get typecast a lot. I don't really understand why though, how many Kazmir/Pedro/(maybe)Lincecum type people have to go through before small pitchers don't get thought of as eventual relievers?

That said, I don't think the Dodgers made the wrong call in picking Kershaw. He was the better bet and Lincecum supposedly put on a ton of muscle after the draft. The Tigers (Andrew Miller), Devil Rays (Evan Longoria) or even the Royals (Luke Hochevar) made the right picks, but everyone else probably wishes they had a do over (though at least it is better than the year that Matt Bush went number one).

2007-04-30 17:23:58
60.   bhsportsguy
53 I'll give a detailed summary later tonight (after the game and watching "Heroes").

However outside of Kershaw, he did not really speak about any prospects, it was more what does he do, what kind of prospects do you look for, etc. So it may not be anymore enlightening than his other interviews.

2007-04-30 17:27:35
61.   FirstMohican
59 - Well with 6 foot 9 pitchers like Hendrickson posting ERA's of 1.66... =)
2007-04-30 17:28:09
62.   CanuckDodger
60 -- Thanks, I would appreciate it. Do you know who conducted the interview?
2007-04-30 17:33:01
63.   bhsportsguy
62 Baseball Prospectus's UTK guru Will Carroll.
2007-04-30 17:35:25
64.   bhsportsguy
One thing to look for when Kershaw isn't pitching for the Loons. Who is playing shortstop, Francisco Lizarraga or Preston Mattingley.

Both are highly regarded prospects in the system giving the Dodgers three SS prospects playing at their "A" level affiliates.

2007-04-30 17:37:34
65.   underdog
Ooh, you're right - Miller's been roughed up in recent starts. No longer on the fast track. He did look good when I saw highlights of him pitching last year after her first came on. I still think he'll be a good one, though, but there's obviously no rush there.

Yeah, I don't think too many days go by where the Padres' brass wakes up in a cold sweat mumbling, "Drew... we could've had Stephen Drew..."

2007-04-30 17:38:17
66.   underdog
65 "..doesn't wake up in a cold sweat" - that should read. Or maybe it shouldn't be read.
2007-04-30 17:46:53
67.   Dodgers49
>>> I'm guessing as to why management is appearing so patient with Betemit, but it's probably because if a move is made with him, it could be permanent -- meaning, to send him to the Minor Leagues involves the risk of losing him completely to another club via waivers. <<<

http://tinyurl.com/ytex2u

But why would the move need to be permanent. If someone else plays 3rd base this year couldn't Betemit by a utility infielder? After all, that's what he was in Atlanta. Or are Martinez and Valdez so valuable that they must be retained at all cost?

2007-04-30 17:57:51
68.   Ricardo
I have a firend that´s a Giants we were talking about Kershaw and Lincecum. In my opinion Kershaw was the right choice, a question that I´ve always but wich player player can be compared with Kershaw?
A nice link: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/baseball/mlb/06/05/mlb.mockdraft/index.html .Bryan Smith believed that the Tigers would draft Kershaw and the Dodgers, Drew Stubbs:

"7. Los Angeles Dodgers: Drew Stubbs, CF, Texas
The Dodgers have made it known that they love Kershaw, and if he drops to this spot, it might be the quickest decision of the draft."

2007-04-30 18:09:20
69.   Jon Weisman
From MLB.com:

The Mets also placed Valentin on the disabled list with a partial tear of the ACL ligament of his right knee. The injury occurred in Saturday's game against the Nationals, and Minaya said he expects it to sideline his second baseman for two to four weeks....

Valentin was walking around without pain Monday, showing off the soft knee brace that he will wear for the remainder of the season once he returns.

It's an added precaution for Valentin, who suffered an identical injury in 2005 with the Dodgers. The second baseman wore a more restricting brace after that injury, finally shedding it at the beginning of last season.

2007-04-30 18:09:44
70.   Westernmost in Flavor
32
Russ Ortiz, you're officially on notice

I thought he was on Bob's "Dead to Me" list

2007-04-30 18:10:28
71.   Andrew Shimmin
The BP Radio setup makes it very difficult to listen to interviews. Whatever they've got functioning as a studio sounds fine, but the phone interviews sound horrible. White said that he'd been using his top picks for high school talent not out of some dogmatic approach, but just because the players he liked best had been high schoolers; that he wasn't averse to picking a college student. He differentiated makeup from personality, so, that was nice to hear. Although, he didn't really differentiate it as much as just say they were different. The White interview starts at about the forty-seven minute mark, if anybody is interested.
2007-04-30 18:22:50
72.   Bob Timmermann
You are looking live at Dodger Stadium....

Or at least I am.

Since my ticket was free, I guess don't count in the attendance tonight. It was from a voucher last year for going on some alleged record breaking attendance night. But I remembered to turn it in.

Keep me alerted to anyone in baseball reaching first on catcher's interference.

2007-04-30 18:23:07
73.   Vishal
it's really annoying that you have to watch the same stupid right guard ad for every single highlight you want to watch on MLB.com
2007-04-30 18:29:11
74.   Westernmost in Flavor
72
You most likely do count in attendance. Most teams announce the "Paid Attendance" figure as tickets distributed.
2007-04-30 18:29:48
75.   Dodgers49
I'm watching the Angels game on FSN and an old friend is pitching for Kansas City (he's the lefthander wearing #45 :-) ).
2007-04-30 18:31:13
76.   Bob Timmermann
It is good to know that I count for something!
2007-04-30 18:31:16
77.   natepurcell
kershaws outing is finished.

6IP 6H (1XHB) 0ER 3bb 7k

too many walks but that seems to be the story with every one of our lefty pitching prospects.

2007-04-30 18:35:13
78.   Marty
75 Let's see if he throws his hands up in the air after giving up one to Vlad.
2007-04-30 18:39:28
79.   MMSMikey
i dont know, this might be a hunch, but i dont see wilson betemit haveing much success against brandon webb
2007-04-30 18:42:10
80.   Eric Enders
The Loons game was momentarily pre-empted on the radio by a special show devoted to Alice Cooper.

You can't make this stuff up.

2007-04-30 18:44:59
81.   Westernmost in Flavor
80
Did he have knowledge to impart upon others about the historical visitors to the Great Lakes region?
2007-04-30 18:49:38
82.   Bob Timmermann
I have noticed the Dbacks new font for their uniform numerals and I find it wanting. It is too narrow.

Red caps and gray unis today for AZ.

2007-04-30 18:54:22
83.   Bob Timmermann
The family in front of me (three generations of African-Americans) is very excited to find out that Russell Martin heads the Blue Crew Fan Club. The mom left her seat immediately to sign up once she found out that her daughters would get some Martin souvenirs.
2007-04-30 18:57:40
84.   D4P
You are looking live at Dodger Stadium....

How does the view compare to your HDTV?

2007-04-30 18:59:07
85.   Branch Rickey
83. How do you post from the game? I've tried to do that on a Treo but it's tough. What's your secret?
2007-04-30 19:01:25
86.   Andrew Shimmin
Is Vin sick?
2007-04-30 19:03:42
87.   Bob Timmermann
I post with great difficulty and will stop soon.
2007-04-30 19:10:28
88.   Andrew Shimmin
From the BP quotes of the week piece:

"Because his manager's an idiot."
--Bobby Valentine, on Mariners manager Mike Hargrove's platooning of catcher Kenji Johjima.

2007-04-30 19:11:07
89.   Marty
nice start
2007-04-30 19:11:42
90.   Vishal
crud.
2007-04-30 19:14:17
91.   Vishal
jake peavy is on pace for a 27 strikeout perfect game. of course, he's only 1/9 of the way there, but man that guy can strike some people out.
2007-04-30 19:14:49
92.   Sam DC
Jake Peavy strikes out the side to start his night against the Mighty Nationals!
2007-04-30 19:15:12
93.   Bluebleeder87
Kudos to DodgerRama on those nice tidbits about Brandon Webb if he wouldn't have posted them i wouldn't have known he's been walking allot of batters early in the season.
2007-04-30 19:15:52
94.   diogenes
my gameday is broke, how did they score?
2007-04-30 19:16:51
95.   D4P
jake peavy is on pace for a 27 strikeout perfect game

Hmmm...Come to think of it, there's no rule against jinxing perfect games...

2007-04-30 19:16:53
96.   MMSMikey
a better start than usual for wolf
2007-04-30 19:17:02
97.   Marty
Where's Vin?
2007-04-30 19:17:42
98.   King of the Hobos
94 Chris Young hit the second pitch of the game really far.
2007-04-30 19:17:45
99.   Andrew Shimmin
94- Homerun for Young, over the wall in right.
2007-04-30 19:19:15
100.   Bob Timmermann
I believe that every family in my section had its kids prescreened for maximum cuteness. They all seem excited about the game.

Except maybe for the one girl who looks to be two. The baby seemed perturbed by Young's homer however.

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2007-04-30 19:20:24
101.   Bluebleeder87
98,99

at least he didn't give up 3 in the first like last time.

2007-04-30 19:21:21
102.   Bob Timmermann
Who is the Dodgers first base coach? It looks like "Clines" from here.
2007-04-30 19:22:04
103.   D4P
Perfect game thus far for Webb
2007-04-30 19:22:36
104.   mikethinksblue
Posting from the game, and keeping score at the same time Bob? I'm impressed.
2007-04-30 19:24:37
105.   Bluebleeder87
the Dodger hitters didn't get the memo that Webb's been a bit wild.
2007-04-30 19:24:42
106.   Bob Timmermann
I for one am glad they gave out blankets tonight. I will need it before the night is over.
2007-04-30 19:25:31
107.   Marty
I was hoping Lyons would say home runs cause slumps.
2007-04-30 19:25:59
108.   StolenMonkey86
yea. Nomar had the longest AB.
2007-04-30 19:26:27
109.   regfairfield
He's been walking 3.34 per nine. Not great but certainly not notably terrible.
2007-04-30 19:26:41
110.   D4P
the Dodger hitters didn't get the memo that Webb's been a bit wild

That's why Pierre had to swing at the first strike he saw. He might not have seen another one.

2007-04-30 19:32:53
111.   StolenMonkey86
That was an 11" pFX on strike 3.
2007-04-30 19:33:46
112.   Bob Timmermann
Battery power waning so you will have to soldier on without me.

Courage.

2007-04-30 19:33:59
113.   D4P
That was an 11" pFX on strike 3

Bob's missing out

2007-04-30 19:35:31
114.   Andrew Shimmin
Yeah. Pierre's been solid all year long. Thanks Psycho. I'd just like to apologize, on behalf of Russ Martin for his failure to live up to your expectations.
2007-04-30 19:35:49
115.   Jon Weisman
Yes, there is a rule here against jinxing perfect games.
2007-04-30 19:37:14
116.   Bluebleeder87
can Bob read what were typing? sorry about the question but i'm still stuck in the mid 90's as far as "black berry's & "PDA's" go
2007-04-30 19:38:40
117.   mikethinksblue
116 He could, but I think he said his battery is dead.
2007-04-30 19:46:07
118.   natepurcell
wolf is a K machine. wow.
2007-04-30 19:46:21
119.   Greg Brock
103 What do you think you're doin' there, pal? We don't mention those types of thing outright while they're going on.

I mean, on the list of D4P transgressions, it's not in the top 1%, but sheesh...

2007-04-30 19:47:45
120.   Gen3Blue
For some reason, this is about the first time I've really noticed Brandon Webb, although he's a Cy Young winner in our division. I guess this betrays how strong my focus is on the D's vs. the rest of baseball. Also, when someone seems this amazing, it takes some of the sting out of being behind or losing. Of course, this takes some of the spot-light off Wolf, who I really appreciate for his seeming consistancy in this world of volotile pitchers, which is too bad.
2007-04-30 19:48:01
121.   Bluebleeder87
He's been walking 3.34 per nine. Not great but certainly not notably terrible.

you'd still think Furcal & Pierre would see more pitches, there the table setters find away to get on base.

2007-04-30 19:48:13
122.   Marty
So is Monday by himself on the Radio? That must be excruciating.
2007-04-30 19:48:39
123.   D4P
119
I only see proscriptions against the phrase "no-hitter"
2007-04-30 19:49:29
124.   Branch Rickey
From the last thread...

"On the subject of Ethier and first pitches... he had four ABs yesterday and on every one of them he took first pitch fastball down the middle. He then went 0-4 while flailing at various other pitchers while behind in the count. That has got to stop."

He did it again making it 5 ABs in a row. At least a better result.

2007-04-30 19:49:48
125.   Bob Timmermann
My battery's not dead but the web browser drains it faster.

But I have operatives.

2007-04-30 19:49:48
126.   MSarg29
nice quick stroke from Ethier
2007-04-30 19:50:40
127.   D4P
123cont
And to be fair, Vishal started it...
2007-04-30 19:50:42
128.   StolenMonkey86
a 10" pFX on the Ethier double
2007-04-30 19:51:06
129.   Greg Brock
123 I see a modification to the "Thank You for Not..." list in the works.

Or maybe it's implicit. I don't know. The PK will surely clarify.

2007-04-30 19:51:07
130.   imperabo
123 We need to make a rule about exploiting semantic loopholes in the other rules?
2007-04-30 19:52:09
131.   scooplew
27 I've had the pleasure of meeting Garey (cq) Ingram at a couple of Dodgers' Fantasy Camp in Vero Beach. Delightful guy, good sense of humor, not a big ego, nickname of "Chicken." Don't know where the nickname comes from. Once upon a time he was a touted middle infield prospect for the Dodgers. Played with them in the mid-90s, but suffered at least one major injury. I think it was his knee. Last played with the Dodgers in 1997. He's still only 36.
2007-04-30 19:54:16
132.   diogenes
Wolf does what Mike should have
2007-04-30 19:54:20
133.   Bob Timmermann
Point out your semantic loopholes elsewhere!
2007-04-30 19:54:45
134.   JoeyP
Does Vin miss many games usually?
2007-04-30 19:54:59
135.   Greg Brock
And to be fair, Vishal started it

Ahh, the "He started it" defense. Made famous by Clarence Darrow, employed by six-year-olds everywhere.

A genius gambit. Bravo, sir. Bravo.

2007-04-30 19:57:31
136.   Bob Timmermann
The boy in front of me is intently filling out his All-Star ballot. His father wants to know why he voted for Scott Hatteberg.

That makes two of us.

2007-04-30 19:58:06
137.   scooplew
Can anyone tell me what Pierre is hitting with RISP?
2007-04-30 19:58:58
138.   Bluebleeder87
So is Monday by himself on the Radio? That must be excruciating.

you made me curious so i just tuned in & it seems like he is. He's gotten better threw the years i don't mind him at all.

2007-04-30 19:59:30
139.   Benaiah
The little groundout that could strikes again.
2007-04-30 19:59:38
140.   imperabo
137 Gloves?
2007-04-30 19:59:57
141.   StolenMonkey86
.190 .182 .286 before tonight
2007-04-30 20:00:08
142.   Marty
137 He hits grounders to the pitcher with RISP
2007-04-30 20:00:12
143.   overkill94
I think I've got the AFLAC trivia question. By my calculations it's 4 since the late 70's and 3 before.
2007-04-30 20:01:44
144.   StolenMonkey86
143 - whats the question? They don't give you that on gameday. i'll trade you for the pFX of the pitch of your choice
2007-04-30 20:02:36
145.   overkill94
Who are the 7 Dodgers who have won the Cy Young award
2007-04-30 20:03:13
146.   imperabo
The question was how many of the 7 Dodger Cy Young winners can you name.
2007-04-30 20:05:23
147.   Bluebleeder87
Wolf says take that for hitting a dinger against me.
2007-04-30 20:05:37
148.   overkill94
Now that everyone's had time to mull it over, am I correct in guessing:

Gagne
Hershiser
Valenzuela
M. Marshall
Drysdale
Koufax
Newcombe

2007-04-30 20:06:17
149.   Marty
Marshall, Hershiser, Gagne, Fernando, Koufax, Drysdale, Newcombe
2007-04-30 20:06:20
150.   diogenes
warning track?
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2007-04-30 20:06:24
151.   StolenMonkey86
newk, hersh, koufax, drysdale, fernando, sutton, and um, uh, gah. I blame my youth
2007-04-30 20:06:32
152.   JoeyP
Wolf gets strikeouts, and when he doesnt get Ks, he gets hit really hard.
2007-04-30 20:06:35
153.   mikethinksblue
I think Nomo is in there too
2007-04-30 20:06:39
154.   StolenMonkey86
how'd I forget Gagne?
2007-04-30 20:07:43
155.   StolenMonkey86
I can't even blame my youth for that one
2007-04-30 20:08:47
156.   Marty
Nomo won ROY, not Cy Young.
2007-04-30 20:09:14
157.   overkill94
153 Nah, just ROY that year
2007-04-30 20:09:36
158.   Frip
135 - I wish the "But he started it" defense didn't have such a bad rap, because it DOES matter who started it. And as an adult I've wanted to use it many times, but you just can't. Some great man with courage needs to make it acceptable again for grown ups. Perhaps Walter Cronkite or Jimmy Carter.
2007-04-30 20:09:47
159.   mikethinksblue
How come I thought Mike Marshall was a right fielder?
2007-04-30 20:10:31
160.   Marty
General Soreness was a right fielder. Iron Mike was a pitcher.
2007-04-30 20:13:37
161.   Ken Arneson
136 Cuz he's a pickin' machine!
2007-04-30 20:16:24
162.   Branch Rickey
Bob, according to Steiner, Gene Clines who is the minor league outfield and baserunning cordinator is coaching first tonight. Who knew?
According to Wikipedia, he is also the coach who "during the 2002 World Series with the Giants wore a mic for FOX and when Barry Bonds hit his first career World Series home run he screamed, "OH MY GOD!"
2007-04-30 20:17:33
164.   Marty
They always give deadlines.
2007-04-30 20:17:38
165.   imperabo
Fan should have gloved that.
2007-04-30 20:18:59
166.   Andrew Shimmin
Attention people with field level seats out in the LF corner: it is your responsibility to interfere with any ball hit near you.

You have one day.

2007-04-30 20:21:06
167.   Bob Timmermann
Little bro's AL ballot:

Ortiz
Kinsler
Tejada
Rodriguez, A
Rodriguez, I
Guerrero
Sizemore
Abreu

2007-04-30 20:21:58
168.   Bluebleeder87
158

you make a valid point frip.

2007-04-30 20:22:58
169.   Frip
Catcher chest protectors have gotten so cool it's scary.
2007-04-30 20:23:35
170.   natepurcell
one of these days some hitter is going to guess right on wolf's curveball and hit it to the hills beyond the stadium.
2007-04-30 20:24:31
171.   Benaiah
Kinsler is an interesting choice, but everything else is pretty standard. Pudge should be Mauer, too I guess.
2007-04-30 20:24:39
172.   Westernmost in Flavor
163
That was your best apology post ever
2007-04-30 20:25:12
173.   Bluebleeder87
167

he's yet to fill out the NL ballot i assume.

2007-04-30 20:26:01
174.   Greg Brock
I can't believe I missed 163. I never see the deleted posts...Grr.

The player makes a great play...almost.

2007-04-30 20:26:12
175.   natepurcell
oh come on juan!!! argh, unbelievable.

dbacks announcer: "a rare miscue by juan pierre"

i honestly believe everyone in baseball is in on the juan pierre is good defensively conspiracy.

2007-04-30 20:26:30
176.   JoeyP
Steiner's given Pierre a tough time, but that would have been a great catch if he got it.
2007-04-30 20:27:22
177.   MMSMikey
5 years ned, 5 years.
2007-04-30 20:27:55
178.   natepurcell
176

he got a horrible jump. it should have never came down to an all or nothing dive.

2007-04-30 20:28:12
179.   Marty
Gosh, I don't know what was wrong with 163. I laughed.
2007-04-30 20:28:12
180.   imperabo
Steiner said he took two steps back. I didn't really see that on the replay. That ball was so deep in his glove it's hard to see how it came out.
2007-04-30 20:29:21
181.   Andrew Shimmin
174- I broke rule one quoting The Office. I should have truncated it. Sorry Jon.
2007-04-30 20:29:46
182.   Benaiah
Could someone paraphrase 163?
2007-04-30 20:29:48
183.   King of the Hobos
171 Kinsler is hitting .309/.387/.691, so while it may be interesting, it's also probably the best choice (although Upton and his lackluster D is hitting .365/.413/.689).
2007-04-30 20:30:05
184.   JoeyP
I didnt see the two steps back part.
It was a blooper that Pierre dove all out for, had it in his glove, and came out.
I'm surprised Steiner thought it'd be a routine play. It looked like a tough play from the start.
2007-04-30 20:31:53
185.   imperabo
Fredo's such a tragic figure. He really needs our love.
2007-04-30 20:32:01
186.   Benaiah
Juan Pierre has made 3-4 plays that I can think of this year that were huge fielding miscues that were scored as hits. His hitting has been atrocious, but I doubt that Ned has noticed, but his fielding might eventually get him some days off.
2007-04-30 20:32:43
187.   Jon Weisman
After rule 9 was violated (as of people didn't know), I had less patience for rule 1 being violated.
2007-04-30 20:32:47
188.   Benaiah
186 - The rare double "but" sentence.

::hangs head in shame::

2007-04-30 20:32:57
189.   Xeifrank
I'm happy to see that the Reds have decided to retire Dave Concepcion's #13. I was a huge Reds fan growing up and he was my favorite player. vr, Xei
2007-04-30 20:33:12
190.   imperabo
That was almost Edmondsesque in Ethier's hack at a high inside pitch by a lefty.
2007-04-30 20:33:19
191.   scooplew
I never thought that I would wish that Kenny Lofton was our centerfielder again.
2007-04-30 20:33:19
192.   Bluebleeder87
you know what's scary is that jujibee is probably right in that we probably need to add & top prospect to get rid of Pierre.
2007-04-30 20:33:34
193.   Greg Brock
Brandon Webb is what Derek Lowe would be if he wasn't a booze hound.
2007-04-30 20:35:31
194.   Gen3Blue
Its nearing midnight on the east coast and I'm afraid I'm an unfaithful fan headed for bed. The D-backs bull-pen can't be horrible.
2007-04-30 20:35:43
195.   Frip
182 - Some wierd guy said he was gonna have a jihad against copy paper.
2007-04-30 20:35:54
196.   Benaiah
Andrew, could you start the quote again? I am curious as to which office quote it was.
2007-04-30 20:37:03
197.   Branch Rickey
193.. ? By that do you mean that Lowe is a booze hound?
I don't believe that to be a true assesment. I have no idea about Brandon Webb.
2007-04-30 20:37:16
198.   JoeyP
194--At this rate, the Dbax wont need their bullpen tonite.
2007-04-30 20:37:42
199.   PDH5204
AL 2nd baseman = Aaron Hill
2007-04-30 20:38:05
200.   Benaiah
197 - I am pretty sure that is the case. The knock has always been that he was a partier.
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2007-04-30 20:38:07
201.   Andrew Shimmin
196- It was the ultimatum at the end of Michael's "best apology ever" video. Directed at the Nomar van mural commercial that I don't get and don't like.
2007-04-30 20:38:21
202.   MMSMikey
lowe hangs out at the sharks cove in manhattan beach and can always be seen with a drink, quite a few dodgers hang out there actually.
2007-04-30 20:38:53
203.   Gen3Blue
Actually booze would probably improve Lowe, as he always gets better when he is worn down at the end of the season. The Red Sox fans who surround me chide that we shouldn't start him till after the All-Star game, but that wouldn't wear him down either.
2007-04-30 20:39:22
204.   JoeyP
197--Lowe's ex-wife claimed in her deposition that was published a couple years ago in the LA Times--that Lowe drank too much.
2007-04-30 20:39:48
205.   Marty
194 I have to turn the game off at 9 because I record 24 and Heroes at the same time. My DVR won't let me watch a third program.
2007-04-30 20:40:04
206.   Greg Brock
I didn't think Lowe's fondness for fermented hops and lively spirits was ever in dispute.
2007-04-30 20:40:29
207.   D4P
To those with qualms about the Rate2 statistic, we can officially conclude that your qualms are warranted:

2007 Rate2

Juan Pierre: 106

2007-04-30 20:41:19
208.   Benaiah
If we get to the D-Backs bullpen in the 8th inning I would be happy. We would almost certainly have to score some runs for that to happen.
2007-04-30 20:41:38
209.   Greg Brock
207 I hate Rate2. I shall now claim victory, and hear no further arguments.

Give me FRAA/RAA, or give me death.

2007-04-30 20:43:10
210.   Branch Rickey
204 Lowe's ex wife went on a syndicated radio show to bad mouth her husband while they were in the process of a divorce. She has zero credibility in my book based on that alone. I don't know Lowe but I've been around him on the road and I believe him to be pretty "in control".
2007-04-30 20:43:24
211.   JoeyP
Wolf's gotten hammered this evening.
Bad bad Wolf.
2007-04-30 20:43:42
212.   Benaiah
207 - I think he moves laterally very well. It seems like he gets to stuff in LF and RF all the time, but it seems like he struggles judging the ball going forward or back.
2007-04-30 20:45:10
213.   Benaiah
211 - Yeah, though some of it was kind of fluky. Couple of doubles down the line and a lot of bloopers. There were a lot of long outs too for that matter, so I guess it could be worse.
2007-04-30 20:45:31
214.   JoeyP
210--Well, she was probably upset that Lowe had skipped out on her and their 3 kids to shack up at Carolyn Hughes place.

I dont know Lowe either.
But based on things I've read and heard, he is not a high character individual.

2007-04-30 20:45:32
215.   underdog
Definitely a bad Wolf showed up tonight, yup. I'm so glad I chose to tune into the game starting with the previous inning, watching it go from 1-0 to 5-0 in what's been a hit parade. Sigh. So much for preserving the bullpen tonight.

I did not expect much from tonight's game, but was hoping for at least that. We'll get 'em tomorrow.

2007-04-30 20:46:23
216.   King of the Hobos
199
Kinsler-.298/.375/.667, 9 homers
Hill-.313/.356/.563, 5 homers

Kinsler has more walks and fewer strikeouts. I'm nt sure about defense, but if all stars were determined by April play, then it should be Kinsler.

2007-04-30 20:46:48
217.   Greg Brock
Have no fear, Rudy Seanez...Sucks.
2007-04-30 20:46:56
218.   still bevens
209 That would involve our boys looking at more than 3 pitches per AB, which we seem to have difficulty doing tonight.

I keep hoping the team can improve on this stat, but I'm not encouraged by the first month. Perhaps its selective memory or just Juan Pierre's at bats that taint my perceptions.

2007-04-30 20:47:26
219.   imperabo
This game is going to be a swift kick in the pythagorean record.
2007-04-30 20:48:34
220.   Frip
Baseball makes little sense. What a flukey sport. There's more consistency in air hockey.
2007-04-30 20:49:05
221.   Daniel Zappala
Do any defense statistics take into account the type of outfield plays we've seen this year from Pierre -- turning singles into doubles because of a poor route and/or bad arm? It seems like that would be hard to account for.
2007-04-30 20:50:44
222.   Bluebleeder87
i'm at peace with Wolf's outing today.
2007-04-30 20:51:34
223.   D4P
For Daniel:

Does Mitch Jones have a shot of being called up if there is an injury? He looks like a possible power source.
-- David S., Altadena, Calif.

Jones has power (171 home runs in seven-plus Minor League seasons, including six this month), but he's 30 years old without a day of Major League service and he has a .245 lifetime Minor League average, both red flags. The Yankees let him leave their organization as a free agent after he hit 21 home runs at Triple-A last year.

2007-04-30 20:52:45
224.   Branch Rickey
214- Well I'm quite sure that we know nothing at all about the details of that incident and I'd hate to assume him to be the sole cause of the problems in that simply because he wound up with Hughes. But if the fact that he's been seen drinking and had an affair near the end of his marriage make him a de facto "Lowe Life" and a booze hound, so be it.
Could be true, just seems unfair to assume to know.
2007-04-30 20:54:04
225.   underdog
Exit, stage left.

Gotta go watch an SFIFF film (screener on DVD) now anyway, so at least I know I won't be missing anything in the baseball game. (And at least the Padres are losing... to the Nats?? It appears there may be some residue for both participants in yesterday's 17 inning affair.)

Anyway... night all!

2007-04-30 20:56:26
226.   D4P
Don't worry: The player's OPS is still over .600
2007-04-30 20:57:05
227.   JoeyP
The Dodgers hitters have went into 'get this game over' mode.
2007-04-30 20:57:47
228.   Daniel Zappala
Jones has power

So I'll take that as a yes, should Pierre get injured, Mitch Jones will be called up. My tilt continues full steam. Thanks D4P!

2007-04-30 20:58:29
229.   underdog
I'm sorry... wait... 65 pitches for Webb through six...Did I read that correctly?

Yikes.

2007-04-30 20:58:30
230.   Greg Brock
224 To say that we "Know nothing" of the incident isn't accurate at all. We know the man was married, left his wife and kids, shacked up with a reporter, and has a reputation as quite the drinker.

I don't know Derek Lowe, but to say that we "Know nothing" is wrong. He may be a nice guy, but facts are facts. His reputation as a partier may be wildly overstated, but the other aspects can't really be disputed.

I'm not trying to attack Derek Lowe. I like that he's on the team, and I think he's a fine pitcher. But we are not completely ignorant of his behavior.

2007-04-30 20:59:19
231.   Greg Brock
The rout be on.
2007-04-30 20:59:39
232.   JoeyP
Regairfield might be right about Chris Young being the best CF'er in the NL West.
2007-04-30 21:00:27
233.   still bevens
So what's the over/under on Seanez remaining on the roster? A week?
2007-04-30 21:01:02
234.   Benaiah
Ugh, I think this is Seanez's last stand. Yesterday was the aberration, this is par for the course. I know, I know, he pitched a lot lately, but there are better options everywhere I look.
2007-04-30 21:02:15
235.   underdog
233 If nothing else can be accomplished from this game, perhaps it can be the expediting of his retirement.

Wait, wasn't I leaving? I'm really leaving now. This game's like a car wreck that I can't stop staring at.

2007-04-30 21:03:38
236.   StolenMonkey86
so when do we let pierre throw knuckleballs?
2007-04-30 21:03:48
237.   Benaiah
230 - I hate speculating or commenting on other people's marriages. Trinka could be a real pain, o maybe Lowe found the love of his life and had to move on. Or maybe he is just a really terrible person and a frat boy with a magic arm. It isn't for me to know.
2007-04-30 21:04:21
238.   Jon Weisman
There was a scene in tonight's Wonder Years rerun in which Winnie appears at Kevin's window like something out of Wuthering Heights. It is such a great moment.

Brought to you by the what's been on during commercials committee.

2007-04-30 21:04:24
239.   JoeyP
Tomko's going to come in on his throw day.
2007-04-30 21:04:31
240.   StolenMonkey86
Stephen Drew is on hat watch with 3 Ks so far
2007-04-30 21:05:25
241.   PDH5204
216 You are probably right re Kinsler, but Hill has performed admirably as a part time utility player and fill in on my fantasy teams. His curse is to have Kent and the O Dog in front of him on my teams [

On a related note to address a comment of a few days ago:

Jon, yes, fantasy may be all that you said it is, but tonight's consolation is that the O Dog starts at 2nd on half my teams, well, that and I have Webb starting on 3/4 of my teams as well; I was hoping for a 2 for 4 for the O Dog with no runs and no RBIs and I was hoping for a no decision re Webb with an eventual Dodgers win, but we know what they say about the best laid plans of mice and men].

2007-04-30 21:05:29
242.   Greg Brock
The coolest thing about being a Major Leaguer, by far, is wearing the single-flap batting helmet. Some guys work their whole life to wear one of those things.

I can't respect the ballplayer who wears the double-flap batting helmet at the Major League level. Dude, you've made it! Single flap!

2007-04-30 21:06:01
243.   Bluebleeder87
just leave Seanez in there till his arm falls off, take one for the team Rudy!
2007-04-30 21:07:09
244.   Frip
230 - There is no such thing as a "fact" in a relationship. Not even your own, much less someone else's.
2007-04-30 21:07:41
245.   JoeyP
D-bax have scored 7 runs.
They've also managed to leave 13 men on base in 7 ip.
2007-04-30 21:08:48
246.   Daniel Zappala
It is still not too late to rally from a 7 run deficit in the final three innings.
2007-04-30 21:08:54
247.   D4P
238
My wife and I just started watching The Wonder Years the other day. She has never seen it, while it's one of my all-time favorites. I haven't watched it since it was canceled. It brings back a lot of memories.

On a related note, I looked up Crystal McKellar (Danica's real-life sister, who also played Becky Slater on the show) on The Google the other day out of curiosity. Turns out she graduated from Yale, and then Harvard law school, and now works at some prestigious law firm.

2007-04-30 21:09:32
248.   Greg Brock
"Suspicion" is on the Chiller Channel right now. Cary Grant and Joan Fontaine.

Hmmm...Joan Fontaine...Yum. Yum Yum Yum.

2007-04-30 21:10:04
249.   Daniel Zappala
Seanez has given up only one run and he has struck out three in 1.1 innings. Not terrible.
2007-04-30 21:11:30
250.   Greg Brock
244 Feel free to dispute whatever you'd like about Derek Lowe leaving his wife. He left his wife.

You might as well dispute the wetness of water. It's what happened. For whatever reason, it's what happened. But let's forget about it. We agree to disagree.

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2007-04-30 21:11:56
251.   scooplew
We can be thankful that Seanez did not pitch yesterday as he is pitching tonight. Meanwhile, the Dodgers have one run (unearned) and nine hits in the last 20 innings.
2007-04-30 21:12:57
252.   Bluebleeder87
246

the little kid in me thinks so also but first we have to get Brandon Webb out of the mound.

2007-04-30 21:13:42
253.   Benaiah
249 - He also cleared the bases of Wolf's runs, with two outs no less.
2007-04-30 21:13:44
254.   mikethinksblue
time for a rally killer Andre
2007-04-30 21:14:35
255.   D4P
I wonder if Bob participates in the "Let's Go Dodgers" chants at the stadium
2007-04-30 21:14:35
256.   Benaiah
251 - He pitched two innings yesterday.
2007-04-30 21:14:40
257.   mikethinksblue
if you could call a questionable base hit and a walk a rally
2007-04-30 21:15:09
258.   Bluebleeder87
Peck away Dodgers, woo!
2007-04-30 21:16:05
259.   Daniel Zappala
252 That's one run.
2007-04-30 21:16:08
260.   Frip
250 - How come you get the last word? What if I want it.
2007-04-30 21:16:31
261.   D4P
The crowd just cheered Lieberthal's force out
2007-04-30 21:16:56
262.   Bluebleeder87
255

i'd like to think Bob is to cool for that.

2007-04-30 21:17:24
263.   Greg Brock
260 There is no way to answer that without looking last a last word freak. You win!
2007-04-30 21:17:51
264.   Benaiah
Steiner just called Olemedo "the killer tomato". I thought that was a D.T. thing? What came first, the chicken or the egg?
2007-04-30 21:19:21
265.   Benaiah
263 - I guess there is one way*.

*see post 263.

2007-04-30 21:19:41
266.   Greg Brock
Here comes the patented six-run homer. I believe!

Wait...What? Wilson Valdez? Nevermind.

2007-04-30 21:19:44
267.   JoeyP
Furcal's being pinch hit for.
Interesting.
2007-04-30 21:20:19
268.   D4P
Do you walk Valdez intentionally here?
2007-04-30 21:21:14
269.   imperabo
Valdez is hardly BLIBB worthy
2007-04-30 21:21:24
270.   Benaiah
267 - Bizarre. Inexplicable. Idiotic. Interesting.
2007-04-30 21:22:26
271.   Greg Brock
Wilson Valdez just pinch-hit for Furcal.

Um...I choose to violate some DT rule here. Probably a couple of them.

What the hey?

2007-04-30 21:22:44
272.   JoeyP
Furcal's been slumping, but to pull him for Valdez with the bases loaded?
2007-04-30 21:22:56
273.   Daniel Zappala
Now the Dodgers only need 6 runs in the final two frames. Excellent rally.
2007-04-30 21:23:29
274.   scooplew
For those of us without benefit of TV or radio, was anything said about why Valdez pinch-hit for Furcal?
2007-04-30 21:23:57
275.   StolenMonkey86
271 - What the hey?

http://tinyurl.com/2hlkxg

2007-04-30 21:24:18
276.   D4P
Valdez is quickly returning to normal. He was en fuego just long enough to dupe Ned into keeping him on the team.
2007-04-30 21:24:55
277.   Greg Brock
275 LOL. Sit on it, Grady!
2007-04-30 21:24:57
278.   Frip
262 - "Too cool" fans make for boring events. Especially at LA concerts, where everyone seems too cool to spaz out like they should.
2007-04-30 21:26:55
279.   JoeyP
274--Steiner said Furcal's ankle might be hurting him, and thats why Grady possibly pulled him. However, he played the field in the top of the 7th, so I dont think that was it.

Maybe Furcal was like 0-100 against Webb in his career.

2007-04-30 21:27:12
280.   Daniel Zappala
This is the sort of game we wish Ethier could slide over to center, with Clark in right, just to see how well Ethier could handle it.
2007-04-30 21:27:37
281.   StolenMonkey86
Drew will have 1 more AB. He can still join the same hat club as Felipe Lopez tonight
2007-04-30 21:28:33
282.   Daniel Zappala
Furcal has a 1.167 OPS vs Webb, in 12 ABs.
2007-04-30 21:28:54
283.   StolenMonkey86
280 - yeah, and Pierre could throw knuckleballs off the mound
2007-04-30 21:30:24
284.   StolenMonkey86
wow, Tomko only had a 2" pFX on that one
2007-04-30 21:30:50
285.   Bluebleeder87
if we're gonna lose i'd rather it be like this.
2007-04-30 21:31:00
286.   Greg Brock
You're doin' a heck of a job, Tomkie.
2007-04-30 21:33:33
287.   JoeyP
ARe they going to have a position player pitch?
2007-04-30 21:34:00
288.   imperabo
Steiner: "Orlando Hundon gets an RBI the easy way".

I'd say that's just about the hardest way to get an RBI actually.

2007-04-30 21:34:12
289.   JoeyP
I dont think anyone was warming up, and Tomko's being taken out of the game.

Anyone see someone warming up?

2007-04-30 21:34:17
290.   StolenMonkey86
287 - I already cast my vote
2007-04-30 21:35:14
291.   scooplew
279 Thank you.
2007-04-30 21:35:16
292.   StolenMonkey86
Grady is not reading me. It's Joe Beimel.
2007-04-30 21:35:54
293.   Greg Brock
Cary Grant is the only guy who could pull of calling his hot wife "Monkey face" and have it sound charming.

I love you, Monkey face.

2007-04-30 21:36:22
294.   imperabo
Man what a wasted of Beimel. Can't we forfeit?
2007-04-30 21:36:30
295.   Jon Weisman
It occured to no one that Grady was just conceding the game and emptying his bench in a rout? The inning began with Anderson batting for Kent.

You may disagree with that decision, but I don't understand all the mystery about what happened.

2007-04-30 21:36:46
296.   StolenMonkey86
293 - I love you too, Greg.
2007-04-30 21:37:00
297.   Bluebleeder87
i'm still debating if Beimel has a mullet or regular long hair.
2007-04-30 21:37:19
298.   Branch Rickey
My last word on Lowe (doesn't have to be THE last word- just my last one)...
He did leave his wife but he didn't leave his kids. They are around all the park often and in fact, seem to get along great with Hughes. So to assume that he "skipped out on his kids" is factually incorrect.
2007-04-30 21:37:32
299.   imperabo
293 Ha. Sometimes I call my wife Monkey Face and she calls me Old Bean. We almost always call our son Piggy.
2007-04-30 21:38:55
300.   imperabo
295 With the bases loaded? No Dude, that had not occured to us.
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2007-04-30 21:39:23
301.   Branch Rickey
299- Is that you Alec Baldwin?
2007-04-30 21:39:38
302.   StolenMonkey86
295 - but no position player to pitch
2007-04-30 21:40:38
303.   imperabo
301 Well he's only 9 months. Too young to be scarred. We'll get to that later.
2007-04-30 21:43:08
304.   Greg Brock
299 If my wife was Joan Fontaine (or Patricia Neal, my #1 pick of all time) I would call her whtatever the heck she liked.

Monkey Face, Doll, Queen of Sheba, Your Royal Hotness, Walter, Super Deluxe Goddess...

2007-04-30 21:45:44
305.   JoeyP
Joan Fontaine is 90 yrs old according to IMDB.
2007-04-30 21:45:55
306.   StolenMonkey86
so who got hurt?
2007-04-30 21:48:06
307.   Bluebleeder87
we was safe from what I saw.
2007-04-30 21:49:31
308.   Greg Brock
Patricia Neal is 81...And the former wife of Roald Dahl.
2007-04-30 21:50:02
309.   imperabo
Bob ought to feel at home. This game has all the drama of a trip to library.
2007-04-30 21:50:15
310.   Benaiah
300 - I could understand a defensive replacement, but surely you let Furcal bat with the bases loaded. I thought that he was flying a white flag, but no need to be so explicit about it.
2007-04-30 21:53:29
311.   Bluebleeder87
304

i'd feel the same way but switch it to Eva Gardner, i liked her so much i read her Biography.

2007-04-30 21:53:57
312.   Jon Weisman
Again, I'm not saying I agree with the decision. I just don't understand not seeing it for what it most likely was. I mean, does Furcal look fresh to you?
2007-04-30 21:54:55
313.   imperabo
Bats sure break differently than they used to.
2007-04-30 21:56:03
314.   scooplew
Be honest, now. Was there anyone out there who thought Betemit was going to get a hit just now?
2007-04-30 21:57:22
315.   Frip
311 - I too used to read biographies of unimportant people, when I was a kid. Boy I can't imagine having that kind of time now.
2007-04-30 21:58:45
316.   Bluebleeder87
312

he looks fresh Jon but he does have a little lip you have to admit.

2007-04-30 21:58:49
317.   Greg Brock
Gotta give credit to the chick sitting behind home plate. She looks fairly good-looking, and she's hanging with her man in a 9-1 route. We should all have a broad like that.

Bravo, cute chick.

2007-04-30 22:00:11
319.   Greg Brock
315 Gardner was a huge star, stunningly beautiful, and the love of Frank Sinatra's life. She was far from unimportant.

She was also kind of a nut. But so it goes.

2007-04-30 22:00:54
320.   Bluebleeder87
315

http://data1.blog.de/blog/b/biografien-news/img/AvaGardner_small.jpg

2007-04-30 22:01:12
321.   Xeifrank
Not exactly the type of pitching performance(s) we wanted to have with our tired pitching staff. Perhaps Juan Pierre will come in to pitch the last inning. I would imagine he has a nice offspeed pitch.
vr, Xei
2007-04-30 22:01:21
322.   JoeyP
310--I agree. It was a very strange move. Managers generally pull guys from the game on the defensive side. Not from the batting perspective.

If Grady was going to rest Furcal, then why did he play him on defense in the top of the 7th?

Its much more worrisome to believe that Grady honestly believes Valdez is a better hitter than Furcal in that situation, based on small sample sizes.

2007-04-30 22:04:49
324.   Greg Brock
51 Was a post that changed my life.

Brilliant.

2007-04-30 22:05:29
326.   Frip
319 - All that is true, too bad she couldn't do the one thing she was supposed to do...act.

Important: Eisenhower, Aristophanes, Oppenheimer, Churchill, Eva.

2007-04-30 22:05:57
327.   Bluebleeder87
Charlie Steiner's depth perception on fly balls has made a turn for the better.
2007-04-30 22:09:22
330.   Greg Brock
326 I guess you won't be reading my biography of Jared, the Subway Sandwiches guy.

It's a gripping tale. I hope to do it justice.

2007-04-30 22:09:24
331.   JoeyP
Less logical than playing a guy on defense for the top half of an inning, and then telling him in the bottom half that he's done for the rest of the game, even though the bases were loaded?

I've never seen a starting player be pinch hit for in that situation.

Comparing it to Jeff Kent isnt the same, since Kent was leading off the inning.
7-0, ok game is probably over.
7-1, bases loaded--seems more of a chance to do something.

2007-04-30 22:09:39
332.   StolenMonkey86
Well, this is more in relation to 323, but

http://tinyurl.com/29z3cx

2007-04-30 22:11:09
334.   Greg Brock
I smell two out, eight run rally.
2007-04-30 22:13:06
335.   Greg Brock
This loss is on you, Wilson Valdez.

Unclutch.

2007-04-30 22:14:10
336.   Jon Weisman
331 - You're telling me you seriously believe that Grady Little thinks Valdez is a better than Furcal in any situation. You really think this is a trend?
2007-04-30 22:14:22
337.   JoeyP
The absence of heart and soul Russ Martin just cannot be overcome.
2007-04-30 22:14:59
338.   Benaiah
330 - That's funny. I can imagine trying to sell that one to a publisher. Maybe you could get it published by Subway and they would personally market it. Then people would see it and think: "I want to buy it as a Christmas present for people I don't like" or "this will be a good icebreaker for the 'Santa isn't real' discussion."
2007-04-30 22:16:43
341.   Branch Rickey
Only the 4th time all year we've lost by more than 3 runs.
2007-04-30 22:17:16
342.   Benaiah
336 - It doesn't seem that far fetched that Grady would like Raffie is struggling and Valdez is hot (by comparison). Their batting averages tell the tale (though it skips over a lot of the good partS).
2007-04-30 22:20:19
344.   PDH5204
Round about the time Furcal was being pinch hit for was round about the same time that I started rooting for Webb to keep the fantasy numbers good [i.e., if we're not having the integrity to hit Furcal, then I'm rooting for Webb to close the door; now if Furcal had hit, well, a grand slam by your SS is always a good way to start the week, but I digress...].
2007-04-30 22:20:40
346.   Jon Weisman
342 - Valdez was 1 for his last 16. Furcal had two hits yesterday and was 7 for his last 25.
2007-04-30 22:23:51
348.   Branch Rickey
346- Using facts to win an argument is just showing off.

At the risk of being a kiss up, I think we can all remind ourselves occasionally that this is Jon's beautiful house and we're all guests. As guests we can make polite suggestions about the decor but we really have no right to tell the host what he should do with his house.

2007-04-30 22:26:03
349.   JoeyP
Grady's used small sample sizes in the past.

This year, he's played other lesser caliber players in place of Betemit.

Last year, he benched Ethier bc Marlon Anderson 'got hot'.

I'd hope that Furcal's established enough that he wouldnt ever get pinch hit for, but considering the situation and the bizarre circumstances (Furcal plays SS top of the 7th, Bases Loaded in the bottom PH for), I dont know.

If he's going to concede, why is Furcal in the game during the top of the 7th? Did the score going from 6-0, to 7-0 push Little over the edge that he'd clear the bench no matter what transpired in the bottom half?

2007-04-30 22:26:22
350.   StolenMonkey86
er, repeat 339, except without the reference to 333.
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2007-04-30 22:26:55
351.   Greg Brock
343 No way...Really? Anyhoo, I stand by my deleted comment.
2007-04-30 22:27:28
352.   Branch Rickey
Last year, he benched Ethier bc Marlon Anderson 'got hot'.

And therefore we went to the postseason.

2007-04-30 22:29:37
353.   StolenMonkey86
352 - Ethier was trying to play hurt. I'm kinda glad Anderson got hot so Ethier got some time to rest so that didn't get worse, especially the way Grady kept playing Nomar every day.
2007-04-30 22:31:32
354.   Branch Rickey
353- Where did you hear that? I know nothing about Ethier being hurt at any point last year.
2007-04-30 22:32:45
355.   PDH5204
You know you're in trouble when Mr. Kennedy rips you on your defense, so you're in trouble Juan Pierre...
2007-04-30 22:33:22
356.   Jon Weisman
349 - But even the small sample size is in Furcal's favor.

Why was Furcal in the game in the top of the seventh? Well, why was Kent in the game in the top of the seventh? That's how long Grady let it go, and then he just decided enough was enough. He may have already sent Furcal to the showers by the time his spot came up.

I'm not saying it wasn't unusual or wrong. But I absolutely don't know how you could think this was a trend.

I'm exhausted. I'm going to sleep.

2007-04-30 22:35:51
357.   Branch Rickey
According to Kevin Kennedy, he used to be a major league manager. Whatdayaknow?
2007-04-30 22:38:39
358.   Bluebleeder87
356

don't let the bed bugs bite.

2007-04-30 22:49:49
359.   StolenMonkey86
354 - Ok, here it is

http://tinyurl.com/3cy9xf

2007-04-30 22:50:44
360.   LAT
Ava Gardner is nice but Kate Beckinsdale playing Ava Gardner was way sexier.
2007-04-30 22:58:45
361.   Branch Rickey
359- Thanks, I hadn't seen that. Interesting. I'm not sure I understand what he's saying though. He didn't know he was injured until after the season yet he knows what play in August caused the injury? I honestly don't buy it. He hung his head and wined that he wouldn't be a Dodger next year instead of revealing the injury that he didn't know he had until driving home after the season? I want him to succeed, I really do. But my gosh I question his approach to this game.
2007-04-30 23:00:45
362.   underdog
If we're talking hot "old" actresses (of yore), I go Veronica Lake #1 and Grace Kelly (a bit later) #2. The former is forever frozen in time in my mind for Sullivan's Travels, the latter for Rear Window.

Rrrowwwr, rrowwwr!

Btw, The Wonder Years was mentioned earlier and it reminded me that this morning I got a flyer for a straight to video movie that poor Fred Savage starred in. I can't even remember the name but he played a guy who becomes a stripper for some reason, and Amy Adams is in it, and some other babe, and it looks awfully depressing. I need a shower just from having looked at the ad for it.

2007-04-30 23:03:25
363.   underdog
In other news, Andy La Roche was 2-3 tonight with a double, in a 51s loss. And Tim Hamulack still sucks.
2007-04-30 23:06:54
364.   Greg Brock
Gardner, Lake, Kelly...You guys keep going with the ridiculously hot Goddesses. You might as well pick Raquel Welch and be done with it.

Patricia Neal and Joan Fontaine are classic. Beautiful, talented, spunky, and elegant. But not too hot.

2007-04-30 23:07:16
365.   Greg Brock
I'm going Moneyball with my screen loves.
2007-04-30 23:10:55
366.   LAT
315. Who's to say who is important. Was Van Gogh's lover important. She meaningfully influenced his work. So perhaps she was important even though she was just a prostitute who none of can name (at least not without looking it up).

Was Andy Warhol important? I don't know. Some would say he was a poser who painted soup cans while other would call him a cultural icon who altered the course of the American art movement.

Is Derick Lowe or [enter name of favorite Dodger] important? Not really but maybe they to unbelievable good deeds with thier money. Does that make them important?

Is a sixth grade teacher in Watts important? I think so but we only pay her $32K a year.

I'm not trying to be smug, I just know I am not the arbiter of importance and I'm not sure how someone else can suggest they are.

2007-04-30 23:19:38
367.   LAT
You might as well pick Raquel Welch and be done with it.

We talkin' "One Million Years BC" or "Kansas City Bomber"?

I think I gotta go with KC Carr

2007-04-30 23:25:33
368.   LAT
How can Lauren Bacall as Slim in To Have And Have Not not be a cornerston of this conversation. Would you discuss the Bible witout mentioning Genesis. Would you discuss the Dodgers without talking Jackie. Or music without Chopin. I think not! Give Ms Bogart her proper due.
2007-04-30 23:38:05
369.   Bob Timmermann
The Diamondbacks set a team record for runners left on base in a 9-inning game with 16. They were two short of the NL record.
2007-04-30 23:40:17
370.   Dodgers49
For those who were wondering:

>>> Dodgers broadcaster Vin Scully missed the game to be with his wife, who had dental surgery. <<<

http://tinyurl.com/ytytuz

2007-04-30 23:50:47
371.   Greg Brock
368 Bacall is off the charts. Toolsy and stats. Smoking cigars, dating Bogey, hanging with the big boys at 22 years old. Hot, yet cool, elegant, yet sassy. A tough broad.

That voice, the attitude. Bacall is on a whole other level.

2007-05-01 01:01:47
372.   trainwreck
Conan just mentioned my city twice.
2007-05-01 02:32:40
373.   Xeifrank
haha, from the LA Times: vr, Xei

The final insult came after the game when the showers in the Dodgers clubhouse malfunctioned.

Said Gonzalez: "It was just a dirty night all around."

2007-05-01 05:06:16
374.   Benaiah
368 - I have had a million conversations about music in my life and precious few mentioned Chopin. Bacall was in some good movies, but I never thought she was that hot. Grace Kelly is pretty close to perfect looking and Veronica Lake is a bomb shell, but the only woman who is in the conversation is Liz Taylor in "Cat On a Hot Tin Roof." Plus, she's an inner circle "best actresses ever" candidate, she's Jessica Alba with Meryl Streep's skills. Nothing is gonna topping that.
2007-05-01 05:33:37
375.   Benaiah
Nothing is gonna topping that.

I should just stay in bed til noon.

2007-05-01 05:48:02
376.   Benaiah
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tu2JDoXNrTQ&mode=related&search=

Even on youtube, she's enough to straighten out the love that dare not speak its name.

2007-05-01 06:53:50
377.   Marty
Lots of deleted comments, looks like I missed a flame war.
2007-05-01 07:05:21
378.   Bumsrap
346 Valdez was 1 for his last 16

There seems to be fewer and fewer options for third base and more and more reasons to risk optioning players to AAA.

With Kemp playing CF and Loney in RF again last night maybe Ned is preparing for an outfield of Ethier, Kemp, and Loney in June and trading for a third baseman.

In the mean time I hope Kemp at least platoons with Pierre and Ethier before the end of this week.

2007-05-01 07:33:39
379.   LAT
371. I have new found respect for Mr. Brock.

374. Well you would be dead to me except I meant to say Mozart not Chopin. So you are correct, most discussions of great composers do not include Chopin. And I very much agree with you about Grace Kelly but that's like saying Michael Jordan was the greatest basketball player of all time. Its an easy call. Although there are those who would detract from her because she was a ho'. But then again recent reports suggest Jordan was a ho' too. All that being said, I never saw the beauty in Liz Taylor. Completly lost on me.

2007-05-01 07:36:20
380.   Penarol1916
360. I am absolutely astounded by that comment. Kate Beckinsale is very attractive and sexy, but Gardner is one of the sexiest women ever.
2007-05-01 07:40:36
381.   ToyCannon
366
Why does everyone think k-6 teachers only make 32K a year? How many professions that only require a BS pay more then the starting salary for a teacher? Most of the teachers I know are pulling in around 70K with 12 weeks of vacation time and one of the best pensions in the country, pay ZERO social security, and have the ability to save via mechanisms that the normal person does not, and after a few years can just about never be fired unless they decide to sleep with a student. It is a good gig and while you won't get rich no one who is a teacher has the right to claim poverty.
2007-05-01 08:06:47
382.   Vishal
re: rule 9

dude, it's so not a jinx if it's just the first inning. i bet close to half of all baseball games are "no-hitters" after the first inning. come on. the rule should only apply after like, the fifth inning or so, when it starts to become "interesting".

2007-05-01 08:14:11
383.   Benaiah
379 - If you can watch "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof" and not think Liz Taylor is sexy, well, it better be because you think Paul Newman is sexy (and he is pretty hot, they would have stunning children).

The circumstances would have to be pretty extreme for me to knock a woman for her personal life (see: Britney Spears, though the fact that she is no longer attractive means that I am not in that compromising position), but I think we already had this discussion (I did anyway).

2007-05-01 08:24:16
384.   Bumsrap
To all the girls I've loved before
Who travelled in and out my door
I'm glad they came along
I dedicate this song
To all the girls I've loved before

To all the girls I once caressed
And may I say I've held the best
For helping me to grow
I owe a lot I know
To all the girls I've loved before

The winds of change are always blowing
And every time I try to stay
The winds of change continue blowing
And they just carry me away

To all the girls who shared my life
Who now are someone else's wives
I'm glad they came along
I dedicate this song
To all the girls I've loved before

To all the girls who cared for me
Who filled my nights with ecstasy
They live within my heart
I'll always be a part
Of all the girls I've loved before

The winds of change are always blowing
And every time I try to stay
The winds of change continue blowing
And they just carry me away

To all the girls we've loved before
Who travelled in and out our doors
We're glad they came along
We dedicate this song
To all the girls we've loved before

To all the girls we've loved before
Who travelled in and out our doors
We're glad they came along
We dedicate this song
To all the girls we've loved before

2007-05-01 08:24:41
385.   LAT
381. "and pay zero social security"

Huh. I didn't know that. Why? And teachers only have to work 9 mos of the year. OK I'm re-thinking whether teachers are important. ;-) (sorry Greg)

2007-05-01 08:25:58
386.   Vishal
re: old time actresses:

it's before my time, so i'm no aficionado, but what about audrey hepburn, or sophia loren?

2007-05-01 08:28:22
387.   Bumsrap
Why don't you guys meet at a wax museum to finish this conversation.
2007-05-01 08:31:55
388.   LAT
BTW, getting into the Stadium last night was hell. Parking still very screwed up. Entering on Sunset it took 30 mins within 1/2 mile of the Stadium. Thay have about 8 lanes taking parking passes/money but when you get past the booths the 8 lanes are funneled down to one or two with people going three diffrent directions. People entering on the far right side trying to cross over to the far left general parking lot. It was a mess and the smell of burning clutches stunk.
2007-05-01 08:35:21
389.   Vishal
[388] you just HAVE to have the last word, don't you?
2007-05-01 08:37:53
390.   Andrew Shimmin
Teachers in California don't pay Social Security because they have the State Teachers Retirement System, which is a different way of skinning the same cat. Is that the norm for teachers in all states? Looks like Ohio calls their teacher pension plan STRS, but, if other states use the same sort of deal, they call it something else.
2007-05-01 08:44:38
391.   underdog
Fine, fine, Greg. Have it your way. I'll go for girl next door-ish Teresa Wright or Priscilla Lane. Happy now?
2007-05-01 08:47:49
392.   LAT
389. Actually I'm just cramming as much as I can in this morning becasue I am going to Vegas for three days and will be off line.
Would love to go to a 51s game but not sure Mrs. LAT is up for it. This is supposed to be the post-bat mitzvah weekend recovery trip. (Daughters bat mitzvah was last Sat.) "Oh so when you said get tickets to a show, you didn't meant he 51s?" Plus I need time to do my Derby picks. Anyone here feel strongly about the years field?
2007-05-01 08:48:27
393.   KBL
Since I went to the game last night, I benched Webb on my Fantasy team. Now I wish I had done it all the other way around.
2007-05-01 09:08:43
394.   Jon Weisman
382 - I've thought this through, and I've been through the debate. I've made my decision, I've explained it, and I don't think it's asking much to have it stand.
2007-05-01 09:18:36
395.   Vishal
[394] oh fine, i'll be a bit more careful with my phraseology in the future out of respect for you. but the point of my comment honestly wasn't to jinx the fellow, merely to bring attention to his impressive dominance, carried over from his previous game which had 16 strikeouts. i guess since it was just the first inning, it didn't feel like history in the making necessarily, just a good start. it seems to me a bit like calling a single hit a "potential hitting streak". but anyway, your blog, your rules, captain ;) i'll abide.

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