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May 11 Game Chat
2007-05-11 17:17
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Commendably, the Dodgers are donating $100,000 toward the rehabilitation of Griffith Park. Hopefully, tonight's fireworks show at the stadium will avoid kindling that donation with irony.

* * *

Tonight's game:

Gameday

Retro Gameday

Comments (478)
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2007-05-11 17:24:47
1.   Curtis Lowe
I wonder how much McCourt spent on Fireworks for tonights game.
2007-05-11 17:31:08
2.   Bob Timmermann
I was checking some pyrotechnics sites and it doesn't seem that a professional show would cost over 100 grand. Maybe $25-50K depending upon how fancy you want to be. I don't know if having fire crews on standby are included in that.

I remember a daytime fireworks show before the 1980 All-Star game setting a tree on fire behind the stadium and then watching a helicopter dump some water on it.

That was pretty much the highlight of that event.

2007-05-11 17:32:26
3.   GoBears
1. Dunno. But he'll make that $100K from the $5 parking price increase alone, provided 20,000 cars show up.

Still, he didn't have to do it. Nice gesture.

2007-05-11 17:33:33
4.   Bob Timmermann
Shawn Hill had five interesting innings for the Nats tonight but then had to leave with an elbow injury.
2007-05-11 17:35:04
5.   GoBears
2. Actually, I would have considered canceling the fireworks in deference to the current fire hazard. Not so much out of concern, but to set an example. I'm actually a little surprised that the city or LAFD didn't ask them to cancel it.

Either that, or turn it around and make a public statement about how people should eschew fireworks at home, and join the Dodgers for a safe, professional display instead.

2007-05-11 17:35:44
6.   GoBears
4. That's what you get for living in interesting times.
2007-05-11 17:39:09
7.   Bob Timmermann
5
I would have cancelled it too, but I think the sold out crowd likely overruled that.

6
Reliever Winston Abreu is an interesting guy too. The Nats have Ronnie Belliard playing first. Bob Carpenter and Don Sutton have said that Nook Logan is impossible to double up. He's got two GIDPs.

2007-05-11 17:40:12
8.   Curtis Lowe
What's more dangerous?

Launching fireworks right above a busy freeway or launching fireworks a good distance away from ash?

2007-05-11 17:41:00
9.   Bluebleeder87
Frank McCourt gives our governor a run for his money in terms of being in shape.
2007-05-11 17:41:16
10.   Bob Timmermann
The Pirates are wearing red jerseys tonight. Those are worse than the Padres throwbacks.
2007-05-11 17:41:21
11.   Eric Enders
This seems to be quite the year for pitchers getting pulled when the game is still "interesting." Greg Miller and Phil Hughes and now Hill. There are probably others I've forgotten.
2007-05-11 17:54:18
12.   Bluebleeder87
11

it's probably because there on strict pitch counts but don't take my word on it.

2007-05-11 17:55:19
13.   Greg Brock
10 No, they're not.

Padres throwbacks, Padres camouflage, every D-Rays uniform, Mets solid black unis. Those are the worst uniforms in baseball.

2007-05-11 17:57:47
14.   Eric Enders
I hate to admit it, but I agree with Brock. Padres camouflage is easily the worst uni in baseball. If you're considering only regularly used uniforms, then it's the Rays.

I also dislike the Braves' red jersey more than the Pirates'.

2007-05-11 18:02:08
15.   Greg Brock
I hate to admit it, but I agree with Brock

You think agreeing with me is tough? Try being me. Brutal...Just brutal.

2007-05-11 18:03:14
16.   Bob Timmermann
13
I have a soft spot for the Padres throwbacks because my high school wore uniforms like those back in the day.

My school's colors are brown and gold.

However, the internet seems to have no pictures of these uniforms.

2007-05-11 18:10:58
17.   Suffering Bruin
16 This what you talkin' about?

http://tinyurl.com/25dtya

2007-05-11 18:11:56
18.   Suffering Bruin
14 I hate it when I disagree with Greg. I don't think it's ever happened.

Yeah, I changed my mind about the Lowe non-walk. Don't know what I was thinking...

2007-05-11 18:13:51
19.   Suffering Bruin
Uh... eek.

http://tinyurl.com/266dzf

2007-05-11 18:16:04
20.   Suffering Bruin
The internet is cool. I just found a thread on some site devoted to baseball's worst uniforms. The White Sox lead it off.

http://tinyurl.com/yp8s6o

2007-05-11 18:16:35
21.   Suffering Bruin
Of course, it's not as much fun when you're talking to yourself.

(sigh)

I'm getting dinner.

2007-05-11 18:16:50
22.   s choir
Six home runs in the Brewers/Mets tilt so far. Nine total runs scored.
2007-05-11 18:19:32
23.   Bob Timmermann
If this URL works, this is the best shot I could find of my alma mater's (John F. Kennedy High) uniforms now.

The shot is from last year's City Championship game. Kennedy is the team in brown. ToyCannon's beloved Chatsworth Chancellors are the team in white.

2007-05-11 18:22:28
24.   Greg Brock
If Kansas City went back to the blue road unis with the white letters, they'd have the best road uniforms in baseball.

The Dodgers, Cubs, and Cardinals have the best home uniforms. The Mets, if they'd stick with the pinnies with the blue hats, would be right there.

2007-05-11 18:22:28
25.   Bob Timmermann
I should include the URL then:

http://tinyurl.com/yw25b9

2007-05-11 18:26:13
26.   Bluebleeder87
The White Sox lead it off

there the undisputed champs in my opinion. 14 I think the Braves red unis are pretty cool.

2007-05-11 18:32:17
27.   Eric Enders
24 I think the best road uniforms are, in order, Dodgers, Cardinals, Braves. Best home unis in order would be Giants (though I hate to admit it), Dodgers, Yankees, Tigers, Orioles. The best "alternate" uniform is the Cubs solid blue jersey with the 1908-throwback walking bear.

The Giants home uniform is the best uniform in all of baseball. There. I said it.

2007-05-11 18:33:23
28.   s choir
20 I can't believe I missed the "turn ahead the clock" fiasco described on that forum.

Here's a youtube video of some of those unis. Way worse than even the padres' camouflage.

http://tinyurl.com/ywac5x

2007-05-11 18:36:40
29.   Eric Enders
Some guy picks the 10 worst uniforms in baseball history. Dodgers are tied for first.

http://www.conorglassey.com/Blog/CommentView,guid,aba7cc5a-4e19-440a-a0dd-db9515b23595.aspx

2007-05-11 18:37:18
30.   Bob Timmermann
The Rockies have a 1-0 on the Giants and Lincecum in Denver. The Rockies scored on a walk, passed ball, and single by Torrealba.

Steve Finley is batting leadoff for Colorado. Fred Lewis is the leadoff hitter for the Giants with Ryan Klesko in the two hole.

2007-05-11 18:38:33
31.   Bob Timmermann
29
The windowpane jerseys of the Dodgers looked really bad in photos too.
2007-05-11 18:39:38
32.   Greg Brock
27 I really dislike the Yankees uniforms. They're iconic, but the dark blue with the pinnies do nothing for me. I don't think the NY insignia is attractive at all. Iconic, yes. Nice, no.

The Giants home unis are nice. The cream, with the black and orange looks very nice. The Orioles road uniforms are outstanding.

The Cubs alternate uniform is the best of the alternate solids. But I really dislike alternate unis.

2007-05-11 18:40:48
33.   ToyCannon
23
Actually Hoover High School is my beloved team but it is cool to work 1 mile from a top 10 draft pick HS player and get to watch him play though I enjoy watching Matt Dominguez more.

Greg other then Eckstein I thought we agreed on everything lately. I'm not putting anymore emphasis on his pre 2000 numbers then on his 2006 numbers. For some reason everyone seems to have forgotten what he did before his putrid 2nd half. He still posted an 867 OPS for the season and was above 950 for a good %. How that all the sudden translated to a guy who is more likely to flirt with 200 then 300 just seemed strange. You lumped Nomar in with Gonzo and there is a huge difference in my eye.

2007-05-11 18:44:54
34.   Greg Brock
33 The +/- .200 thing was really just about how likely Nomar was to hit above .315 or .320 again. Like I said in that same post, he's probably going to go .270/.340/.400, which just doesn't get it done from an aging first baseman.

But no, Nomar probably won't drop near the Mendoza line. Very true.

2007-05-11 18:46:28
35.   Suffering Bruin
16 I think I have to improve my reading comprehension.

There are moments where I wonder if my kids aren't better off playing video games. This is one of those moments.

2007-05-11 18:47:07
36.   Bob Timmermann
33
As great as Chatsworth has been recently, it hasn't produced a major leaguer in a while. The last Chatsworth alum in the majors was Steve Reed.

I would think one of the Dominguez brothers would end that stretch.

2007-05-11 18:49:55
37.   ToyCannon
36
Not Moustakas?
2007-05-11 18:52:17
38.   Indiana Jon
Anyone seen how good of a season Rick Ankiel is putting together at Triple A? He may have a real shot of making it back to the big leagues as a hitter.
2007-05-11 18:53:17
39.   ToyCannon
34
If Nomar only does that it will be a long summer. I'm still hopefull he gets on one of his streaks but I don't think Loney would do any better then an 750 OPS this season but he would do it for 6 million less.
2007-05-11 18:53:28
40.   Bob Timmermann
I could spell Dominguez without looking it up.
2007-05-11 18:53:38
41.   Ricardo
I`m very happy LaRoche´s good start, I was afraid for him because of what happened to Andy Marte and Kevin Kouzmanoff.
2007-05-11 18:54:12
42.   Bluebleeder87
29

quote from there They almost get a free pass because it was 1916, but upon further inspection, no other teams from that era look like they were dressed in tablecloths…

2007-05-11 18:54:57
43.   ToyCannon
38
Plus he's playing a solid CF according to Kevin Goldstein of BP. A CF with an arm and power but lousy plate discipline versus a CF with no arm, no power, no plate discipline. Give me option A and he could have been had for the waiver price.
2007-05-11 18:56:27
44.   ToyCannon
40
Not even sure I got the Mouse right but I plowed ahead not afraid of the spell miesters who would fleck me with spelling acid.
2007-05-11 18:56:44
45.   Dodgers49
>>> Weaver has been a flop after signing a one-year, $8,325,000 contract to be the Mariners' No. 5 starter. <<<

WOW! I didn't realize that the Mariners' staff was so good they would pay $ 8 Million for someone to fill the #5 spot. I'll never complain about Tomko again. :-)

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/10177246

2007-05-11 18:57:32
46.   ToyCannon
Since the Nat's also shut down the Marlin offense how much credence can we put into the incredible pitching performances this week?
2007-05-11 19:00:39
47.   Greg Brock
The Dodgers currently have the 26th best team OPS in baseball. They're 27th in home runs, yet 15th in runs scored.

Singles, baby. We hit 'em. All day.

2007-05-11 19:01:31
48.   Bluebleeder87
Anyone seen how good of a season Rick Ankiel is putting together at Triple A?

that reminds me, anybody know if Josh Hamilton is starting today? gameday doesn't seem to work.

2007-05-11 19:01:41
49.   Bob Timmermann
Josh Fogg's game in Denver has retroactively been deemed interesting.
2007-05-11 19:06:59
50.   Greg Brock
Lincecum's windup is like half Tim Hudson, half Orel Hershiser. But the kid throws cheddar.
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2007-05-11 19:07:40
51.   Marty
The Hoover High Tornadoes! Glendale high schools have the best names. Hoover Tornadoes and Glendale Dynamiters.
2007-05-11 19:08:05
52.   regfairfield
48 Lineups aren't in yet according to my parser.
2007-05-11 19:08:59
53.   regfairfield
50 Does cheddar refer to the fastball or a curve, because I've heard both.

Unless stinky cheddar is an entirely different thing.

2007-05-11 19:10:56
54.   Greg Brock
53 Cheddar or cheese refers to a fastball. Dude throws cheese, cheddar, gas, smoke...

His fastball is better than the average fastball you'll see from today's baseballing hurlers.

2007-05-11 19:11:22
55.   Bob Timmermann
Dan Ortmeier has made the game in Denver less interesting.
2007-05-11 19:11:41
56.   Eric Enders
Jamie Moyer is more like ricotta.
2007-05-11 19:12:12
57.   Bob Timmermann
No Rockie pitcher has gone longer than 6 2/3 innings before losing a no-hitter.
2007-05-11 19:12:57
58.   ToyCannon
51
All my friends went to Glendale but I went to Hoover because we moved from North Glendale to East Glendale in 9th grade and they wouldn't let me get a transfer because I was "encourageble" or something like that.
2007-05-11 19:13:17
59.   Eric Enders
Yahoo has been down for awhile now. You'd think a big site like that would have had a backup plan or three.
2007-05-11 19:13:36
60.   Bob Timmermann
I turned on the Padres-Cards game.

Nate Colbert is not playing.

Nor is Clay Kirby.

But since Clay Kirby is dead that's a good thing.

2007-05-11 19:14:33
61.   regfairfield
59 It works for me.
2007-05-11 19:14:51
62.   Bob Timmermann
Via Inside the Dodgers:
Furcal, SS

Pierre, CF

Nomar, 1B

Kent, 2B

Gonzalez, LF

Martin, C

Ethier, RF

LaRoche, 3B

Wolf, P

2007-05-11 19:16:15
63.   Bob Timmermann
I believe the Cardinals are wearing 1972 uniforms as well.
2007-05-11 19:18:53
64.   Bluebleeder87
52

just did a little research & sportsline says he's officially an everyday outfielder now so i guess he'll be in there.

2007-05-11 19:19:12
65.   Eric Enders
61 Yeah, upon further review it was only the My Yahoo pages that weren't working.
2007-05-11 19:20:15
66.   Greg Brock
62 Big shakeup in the lineup. Grady wasn't kidding about making changes*.

*Grady was kidding about making changes

2007-05-11 19:21:34
67.   Bob Timmermann
Rockies up 3-0 on the Giants in the sixth.
2007-05-11 19:22:50
68.   regfairfield
No Hamilton, we get Norris Hopper instead.
2007-05-11 19:24:46
69.   Eric Enders
Hamilton not in the lineup for the Redlegs. Instead, we get Edward Hopper in center field. Or Dennis Hopper. Or some such person.
2007-05-11 19:25:57
70.   Bluebleeder87
68

it makes sense lefty lefty probably Josh Hamilton can't hit lefties all that well.

2007-05-11 19:26:52
71.   Bob Timmermann
Actually Jerry Narron was told by Hamilton's sponsor that lefties are too much of a temptation for him to relapse.
2007-05-11 19:26:56
72.   regfairfield
I like the send down Edwin Encarncaion, start Juan Castro strategy the Reds are employing.
2007-05-11 19:30:52
73.   Eric Enders
Sure is nice to hear that voice again after a couple of weeks.
2007-05-11 19:31:08
74.   Bob Timmermann
The DBacks beat Houston 3-1 with a CG from Webb.
2007-05-11 19:32:35
75.   Eric Enders
And two jacks from Chris Young, whose homers seem to come in pairs.
2007-05-11 19:32:48
76.   Dodgers49
It doesn't look like "Miller Time."

Freddy Guzman hit by pitch.
Injury Delay.
With Tug Hulett batting, Freddy Guzman advances to 2nd on a balk.
With Tug Hulett batting, wild pitch by Greg Miller, Freddy Guzman to 3rd.
Tug Hulett out on a sacrifice fly to left fielder Larry Bigbie. Freddy Guzman scores.
Marlon Byrd walks.
Coaching visit to mound.
Jason Botts walks. Marlon Byrd to 2nd.
With Kevin Mahar batting, wild pitch by Greg Miller, Marlon Byrd to 3rd. Jason Botts to 2nd.
Kevin Mahar walks.
Desi Relaford walks. Marlon Byrd scores. Jason Botts to 3rd. Kevin Mahar to 2nd.
Coaching visit to mound.
Pitcher Change: B. J. LaMura replaces Greg Miller.

2007-05-11 19:33:13
77.   heato
Not Greg Miller's night tonight in Vegas -- 26 pitches before being taken out in the first inning, 6 strikes
2007-05-11 19:33:55
78.   heato
76 beat me to it
2007-05-11 19:34:45
79.   underdog
This 7:40 game time is perfect, because I was able to come home and watch the TiVo'd Office from last night - which was, needless to say, freaking hilarious, oh man... - and then see the game.

I want a giant inflatable Sumo suit.

2007-05-11 19:36:09
80.   Bluebleeder87
74

a victory tonight would be nice to keep them at bay.

2007-05-11 19:36:20
81.   Bob Timmermann
A 2-out walk to Durham and then back-to-back doubles by Molina and Feliz make it a 3-2 lead for the Rockies.
2007-05-11 19:36:52
82.   underdog
I don't understand - when did Greg Miller get replaced by Nuke LaLoosh?
2007-05-11 19:37:42
83.   Greg Brock
Josh Hamilton has more home runs and extra base hits than any player on the Dodgers. he also has a higher OPS and Slugging percentage than anybody on our squad.

Martin and Kent have higher OBP's.

2007-05-11 19:37:47
84.   Eric Enders
Watching the Giants game, I'm pretty surprised how little movement Lincecum's fastball has. It's almost perfectly straight, like Brazoban's or Benitez's.
2007-05-11 19:38:42
85.   Bob Timmermann
My cable system has no HD picture of the game, but it has the sound.

I believe this is less than optimal.

2007-05-11 19:38:54
86.   Eric Enders
84 Greg Miller has always been Nook LaLoosh ever since coming back from his injuries. It's just sometimes he's the good version and sometimes he's the bad version.
2007-05-11 19:39:22
87.   Bluebleeder87
I want a giant inflatable Sumo suit.

my lady was laughing along with me during that seen which is a reardy (sp)

2007-05-11 19:39:54
88.   Greg Brock
84 Considering his arm slot, he should have more movement. He'll probably have to start throwing a two-seamer and a good changeup before he becomes whatever it is he's supposed to become.

Dude is still pretty good.

2007-05-11 19:40:41
89.   underdog
86 It's true, sadly. I just wanted to make that reference now, for some reason. Plus, he really does seem more likely to hit the bull mascot now, whereas before he was just hitting batters or throwing... just a bit outside.
2007-05-11 19:42:18
90.   Eric Enders
89 I assume theres' a 51 he could hit? Some guy running around in an alien costume?
2007-05-11 19:43:06
91.   Dodgers49
This won't help Miller's ERA. :-)

Pitcher Change: B. J. LaMura replaces Greg Miller.
Nate Gold hits a grand slam (3) to left field. Jason Botts scores. Kevin Mahar scores. Desi Relaford scores.

2007-05-11 19:43:06
92.   Dodgers49
This won't help Miller's ERA. :-)

Pitcher Change: B. J. LaMura replaces Greg Miller.
Nate Gold hits a grand slam (3) to left field. Jason Botts scores. Kevin Mahar scores. Desi Relaford scores.

2007-05-11 19:43:58
93.   Eric Enders
I shouldn't have made fun of Norris Hopper earlier. Guy has a career line of .365/.424/.442 .
2007-05-11 19:44:20
94.   underdog
90 You mean, this creature - who bears an unfortunate resemblance to an annoying Star Wars character?
http://tinyurl.com/2y68gr
2007-05-11 19:44:21
95.   Greg Brock
Man, giving up one grand slam is bad...But two? Terrible.

;-)

2007-05-11 19:44:52
96.   Dodgers49
And double clicking the mouse button just added three more runs. :-)
2007-05-11 19:45:05
97.   underdog
(And I wouldn't mind if Miller did throw at that guy)
2007-05-11 19:45:57
98.   Bob Timmermann
The Padres are up 2-0 on the Cardinals. The Cardinals announcers have a very, very negative opinion of Kip Wells.
2007-05-11 19:47:34
99.   Bluebleeder87
Wolf is lucky Griffey Jr. didn't hit that fastball to the seats.
2007-05-11 19:48:50
100.   Greg Brock
Conine may be a great raquetball player, but I will absolutely destroy him in badminton.

Fear me in some badminton, for I am a legend.

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2007-05-11 19:49:05
101.   underdog
Nice to see Wolf get out of the first unscathed for once. Woo hoo!
2007-05-11 19:51:51
102.   Bob Timmermann
In UCLA's quest for NCAA championship #100, the women's water polo team won its opening match (aka the quaterfinals) with a 22-0 shellacking of Pomona-Pitzer.

Yes, there's just one division in that sport.

2007-05-11 19:53:21
103.   Bluebleeder87
It's pretty strange watching Griffey Jr. play RF.
2007-05-11 19:53:58
104.   underdog
A real hit for Pierre! Yippee! {throw confetti}
2007-05-11 20:00:56
105.   Greg Brock
Arroyo is from the Livan Hernandez school of throwing breaking balls behind in the count.
2007-05-11 20:02:00
106.   Bluebleeder87
I thought it was gonna be another frustrating inning but atleast Nomar & Gonzales walked to load the bases. Let's see what Russell Martin can do.
2007-05-11 20:03:28
107.   Gen3Blue
Miller's problems are disconcerting, but I remember a lefty with a very different history who suddenly " got it" named Sandy. Despite everything Miller is young. Until Furcal heats up , although he couldn't have hit that ball harder, having Pierre is at best having a second lead-off guy each game. But to get the best each can give, I think perhaps they should be reversed.
Not to compare them as lead of men, but just to get the most of what we have.
2007-05-11 20:04:17
108.   Greg Brock
I love you, Russell Martin.
2007-05-11 20:04:20
109.   Andrew Shimmin
Russel Martin is from the Battlefield Earth school of awesomeness.
2007-05-11 20:04:26
110.   Gen3Blue
Oh, that Martin!!!
2007-05-11 20:05:32
111.   Bluebleeder87
Russell Martin is all-star caliber so far in this young season.
2007-05-11 20:05:48
112.   Bob Timmermann
Giants tie the game in Denver 3-3 and have two on, one out and Bonds up in the 8th.
2007-05-11 20:06:38
113.   Greg Brock
Seriously, Arroyo is Livan Hernandez minus 150 pounds. I've never seen so many 2-0/2-1 breaking balls. Time for a visit from Dick Pole.

Dick Pole.

2007-05-11 20:06:40
114.   Bob Timmermann
Bases loaded for Durham now.
2007-05-11 20:07:25
115.   regfairfield
Dick Pole? Really?
2007-05-11 20:08:16
116.   Bob Timmermann
Durham hits a sac fly and now Lincecum is set up for his first win with the Giants up 4-3.
2007-05-11 20:08:57
117.   Andrew Shimmin
Andy LaRoche is a true Dodger.
2007-05-11 20:09:38
118.   Andrew Shimmin
115- http://tinyurl.com/3c3r2d
2007-05-11 20:12:20
119.   Gen3Blue
At least I can't crab about the D's offense going down w/o taking any pitches. If they use their heads they could be into the Reds bull-pen fairly early.
2007-05-11 20:12:30
120.   Greg Brock
Man, Arroyo looked like Wang or Johnson after that visit from Dick Pole. He gave LaRoche the shaft.

Sorry.

2007-05-11 20:13:55
121.   Suffering Bruin
105 113 LOL. Exactly what I was thinking during the one inning of baseball I get to watch on "my-son-gets-to-play-video-games" night.

Arroyo didn't trust the fastball and his slider didn't slide but the breaking pitch was working real well... until Martin.

Man is it fun to follow the game closely pitch by pitch.

2007-05-11 20:14:44
122.   Bob Timmermann
Hey, how did this game chat turn into "Beavis & Butthead?"
2007-05-11 20:14:56
123.   Suffering Bruin
A 42 pitch inning. Ouch.
2007-05-11 20:16:08
124.   LeeLacy
115 118
Still, not quite as bad as former New Hampshire Congressman Dick Swett.

http://tinyurl.com/zpkzc

2007-05-11 20:16:23
125.   regfairfield
122 Huh-huh, you said butt.
2007-05-11 20:16:27
126.   Greg Brock
122 Like I said, Sorry. Grow up, me.
2007-05-11 20:18:29
127.   Gen3Blue
That reminds me of a few Lofton didn't make.
2007-05-11 20:18:40
128.   Bluebleeder87
Juan Pierre making that good play look really bad. Does that make sense.
2007-05-11 20:18:48
129.   underdog
Let's give Pierre some credit there - that was a nice grab after actually (gasp!) running that one down. I think he was as surprised as anyone that Juan Castro drove that one as far as he did.
2007-05-11 20:19:08
130.   Bob Timmermann
126
I kid, because I love.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

2007-05-11 20:20:41
131.   dzzrtRatt
Doesn't Juan Pierre mean Dick Pole in Esperanto?
2007-05-11 20:20:48
132.   underdog
"Ross associates baseball with watermelon... But the ball is obviously a lot smaller than a watermelon." God, I missed Vin, even his odd tangential anecdotes.
2007-05-11 20:21:56
133.   Gen3Blue
Vin is the best thing about having to stay up back east.
2007-05-11 20:22:07
134.   ninjavshippo
Nicely done there pierre and wolf. Good patience by the blue batting in the 1st, too
2007-05-11 20:22:20
135.   Gen3Blue
Except maybe Martin.
2007-05-11 20:22:39
136.   Andrew Shimmin
Falling down kept him from running headlong in to the wall, too, right? Excellent play. He makes the play, and falls down; fun for everyone.
2007-05-11 20:23:36
137.   Bob Timmermann
The Rockies got a leadoff double from Holliday and then nothing else. Lincecum could get his first win if Benitez holds down the bottom of the Rockies order in the 9th.
2007-05-11 20:26:22
138.   Greg Brock
The Reds have three Black players in the starting lineup. I just noticed that because two of them almost crushed each other right there.

I wonder how many MLB teams have three or more Black everyday starters. Latin guys don't count, because I said so.

2007-05-11 20:28:02
139.   Bob Timmermann
The Giants have three African-American starters now that Fred Lewis is up. Lewis, Bonds, and Durham.
2007-05-11 20:28:48
140.   regfairfield
138 Not the Reds, because they aren't starting Norris "Who The Hell Is Norris Hopper" Hopper everyday.
2007-05-11 20:29:51
141.   Greg Brock
139 Yes, but are they all Black? Do we have a Charlize Theron/Afrikaner situation going on?
2007-05-11 20:30:17
142.   regfairfield
141 They are all black.
2007-05-11 20:31:33
143.   Greg Brock
140 Does Hopper start over Hamilton when lefties are on the hill? Or is this some random "Get Norris Hopper in the lineup" situation.
2007-05-11 20:31:51
144.   Bob Timmermann
The Nationals could start Nook Logan, Dmitri Young, and Ronnie Belliard at the same time and I'm sure they have. Young is hurt now though.
2007-05-11 20:33:24
145.   D4P
The Dodgers don't have any Black Everyday Starters in the lineup tonight, unless you count Martin and/or guys who are black and start everyday but who nevertheless don't deserve to be referred to as Everyday Starters.
2007-05-11 20:33:42
146.   Greg Brock
The Angels could start Kendrick, Figgins, and Gary Matthews. They very well may, if I knew anything about the Angels.
2007-05-11 20:34:34
147.   regfairfield
Brewers have Weeks, Fielder and Hall.
2007-05-11 20:34:59
148.   dzzrtRatt
146 and Garrett Anderson. All four are starters.
2007-05-11 20:35:41
149.   Greg Brock
See, what's the problem here? We named three or four teams that could, at any moment, possibly play three players who could be identified as African-American if we choose, depending on the definition.

Seems like everything's okay to me!

/Sarcasm

2007-05-11 20:37:00
150.   Bob Timmermann
There may be, at most, two people here who would care, but RIP Gino Pariani.
http://tinyurl.com/2s854d
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2007-05-11 20:37:21
151.   Bluebleeder87
we really need to score more runs, these guys can tie it up with one swing of the bat.
2007-05-11 20:37:37
152.   Sam DC
144 I gather we're not counting pitchers, because the Nationals could also run Ray King out there for a few batters too many.
2007-05-11 20:38:50
153.   Bob Timmermann
The Giants lead 6-3 now. The only suspense will be to see if the Rockies hit into a DP in the ninth with Omar Vizquel involved in it.
2007-05-11 20:39:17
154.   Greg Brock
I'm not looking at The Blue Jays, Athletics, or Red Sox, because Moneyball is racist. At least, that's what I've read.
2007-05-11 20:39:23
155.   regfairfield
I had a hard time explaining to the people on the Reds SBN site why Dodger fans boo Griffey.

I couldn't come up with a better reason except Dodger fans are jerks.

2007-05-11 20:41:09
156.   underdog
I don't understand why Dodger fans boo Griffey, either, except, yeah, either they're jerks, or under the mistaken impression that it's clever and necessary to boo every opposing player.
2007-05-11 20:43:10
157.   underdog
16 foul balls against Wolf so far has ballooned his pitch count to 61 in three innings. Darn those fouls!
2007-05-11 20:45:08
158.   regfairfield
We're dangerously close to having four starters with sub .400 slugging percentages. Possibly five if LaRoche takes an 0-fer.
2007-05-11 20:45:30
159.   Branch Rickey
Most team's fans boo the best players from the other team. I don't like it, I don't understand it but it seems to be a fact.
2007-05-11 20:46:02
160.   Bob Timmermann
Greg Brock seems exceptionally "enthusiastic" tonight.
2007-05-11 20:48:13
161.   regfairfield
160 Rule 11 type enthusiastic?
2007-05-11 20:48:26
162.   Branch Rickey
Scully will not say the name "Eddie Murray". I will bet he goes the year without saying it. The camera can be on him for 5 minutes, he won't do it.
2007-05-11 20:49:12
163.   LAT
If you like Dick Pole you'll love this guy:

http://tinyurl.com/2uweyd

2007-05-11 20:49:32
164.   underdog
I think it was the thought of Dick Pole that sent him over the edge.

I've heard that "Pierre" is actually a euphemism for... you know... in Quebec. Although sometimes it is here, too.

2007-05-11 20:49:55
165.   Greg Brock
160 I haven't been able to post during many games these days, so I'm a little excited. Plus, school is almost over.

Summertime.. and the livin is easy
fish are jumpin'
And the cotton is high

2007-05-11 20:50:25
166.   regfairfield
163 Only the second dirtiest name in sports history.

ABA player Chubby Cox takes the crown.

2007-05-11 20:50:33
167.   Greg Brock
161 I wish.
2007-05-11 20:51:14
168.   underdog
As "enthusiastic" as this guy?
http://tinyurl.com/2y68gr

(Sorry, I just can't stop chuckling about the ridiculousness of that outfit.)

2007-05-11 20:51:20
169.   Bob Timmermann
165
May 20, I'm heading to the Dorothy Chandler for "Porgy and Bess." Followed by a light dinner at Lawry's Prime Rib.

I'm skipping lunch that day.

2007-05-11 20:55:22
170.   regfairfield
I have to admit that Wolf has been a heck of a lot better than I expected so far.
2007-05-11 20:55:28
171.   Branch Rickey
Wolf may not be the best pitcher on the Dodgers but he may be the most fun to watch. That curve looks like it breaks three feet and when he follows it with a 90 MPH fastball, it seems to look like 100 MPH to the hitters. He is a true pitcher.
2007-05-11 20:55:43
172.   Andrew Shimmin
100+ guest list for Thanksgiving? It would take a lot to make me want to move to Canada, but not that much.
2007-05-11 20:55:51
173.   underdog
That was a good 'un. 3 K's, we'll take that.
2007-05-11 20:56:29
174.   Bob Timmermann
Jeff Conine is in his 18th season. Which is pretty amazing since he's always just been "sorta good." He has three black ink categories on his record.

He led the NL games played on year and he led the NL in sac flies and the AL in sac flies.

2007-05-11 20:57:56
175.   Greg Brock
169 A great musical...Terribly underrated.
2007-05-11 20:58:39
176.   imperabo
I'm not sure this LaRoach kid could sell jeans.
2007-05-11 20:58:39
177.   Andrew Shimmin
Indira Mahajan will be singing the role of Bess. JoeyP would not approve.
2007-05-11 20:58:51
178.   regfairfield
169 Are you a Diamond Jim Brody man, or an English cut man.

I'm ashamed to admit I'm an English cut man.

2007-05-11 20:59:05
179.   Bob Timmermann
175
It's properly called an opera, though.
2007-05-11 20:59:18
180.   Marty
You guys keep up with the Dick Pole jokes, I'm gonna bust out an Aristocrats on the group.
2007-05-11 21:00:31
181.   Greg Brock
179 Folk-Opera, to be super technical.
2007-05-11 21:00:45
182.   Andrew Shimmin
177- I was mislead by the name. Her father is Punjabi, but her mother is an African-American. So, it's alright.
2007-05-11 21:00:49
183.   Bob Timmermann
178
I will probably order some fish. Prime rib has a certain effect on my body that I don't wish to describe. But my girlfriend loves prime rib and she doesn't like opera.
2007-05-11 21:01:15
184.   Branch Rickey
Scully's 2nd mention of Alice In Chains this year! Maybe he's becoming a fan.
2007-05-11 21:01:38
185.   dzzrtRatt
I love it when Vinny recites the names of rock bands with weird names. Alice in Chains, not quite the same thing as Fred Waring and His Pennsylvanians.
2007-05-11 21:02:03
186.   Greg Brock
183 You're going to Lawry's and getting fish?
2007-05-11 21:02:17
187.   Marty
I like the end cut if available at Lawry's.
2007-05-11 21:02:30
188.   Sam DC
Ryan Langerhans was brought in as a defensive replacement for Ryan Church (Nationals have a lot of Ryan flexibility) and made one good and one remarkably good catch in his first inning in the field.

But the ESPNews highlight clip of the game isn't showing them. Which irks me. I love watching highlights of a game I just attended.

2007-05-11 21:03:16
189.   regfairfield
182 I'm happy to admit that I have no idea what you're talking about.

183 That's a shame, someone in my family is afflicted with Anti-Prime Rib disorder. It's a terrible thing.

I can hear the lady in the Nomar Van commercial asking me why I hate the Dodgers.

2007-05-11 21:05:06
190.   Andrew Shimmin
189- I forgot it was a Screen Jam thing. It probably wasn't worth bringing up to begin with.
2007-05-11 21:05:51
191.   dzzrtRatt
I got to see this production of Porgy and Bess. My mother had an extra ticket. We sat in the Founder's Circle at the Dorothy Chandler, which is sort of like sitting in your own living room. Real cushy chairs.

Anyway, it's great. It's a little different than I remember it (having seen it about 20 years ago). This is a Big Show. The voices are intensely powerful. The funeral scene in the first act tears you apart. If you see the same Bess I saw, she is a sex machine. Even my Mom was kind of excited.

Curious how this comes up tonight when the discussion is about African-American players.

2007-05-11 21:06:11
192.   Greg Brock
We always go to Lawry's the first night we're in Vegas. Prime rib and a nice red wine, all dressed up. Good times.

The next few nights are...not the same.

2007-05-11 21:06:28
193.   LAT
I haven't seen it but apparently this adaptation is a bit diffrent. The Times gave it a good reveiw a week or so ago.

As for Lawry's do they still spin the salad. I loved that as a kid. And the medal the carving guys wear. I always assumed they must have wrestled and cooked the cow to win that medal.

Does anyone remember the other resturant owned by Lawry's, called Steers. I think its where Lawry's now sits. They had a putting green inside. Way way cool when your 9 yrs old and its 1970.

2007-05-11 21:06:46
194.   underdog
This game is reminding me unnervingly of several other recent Dodger games in which they had a chance to give a shaky pitcher a knockout blow and didn't, and then he settles down and they do nothing, while the Dodgers' starter pitches well. I really hope this one doesn't go the way of some of those other games.
2007-05-11 21:07:10
195.   Marty
Where in Vegas is a Lawry's?
2007-05-11 21:08:11
196.   Marty
They still spin the salad. I love the gleaming stainless steel meat cart.
2007-05-11 21:08:31
197.   Bluebleeder87
Bronson Arroyo has pop in that skinny body of his.
2007-05-11 21:08:55
198.   Greg Brock
195 On the Howard Hughes Parkway, south of Wynn's golf course.
2007-05-11 21:09:50
199.   underdog
9 k's for Wolf. (Of course the Reds strike out at least as much as the Marlins do.) He did get lucky on that previous swing, as Arroyo ripped that one.
2007-05-11 21:10:14
200.   Marty
Aah, not in a hotel. Probably why I didn't know.
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2007-05-11 21:10:15
201.   LAT
187. Me too.
2007-05-11 21:11:02
202.   Bluebleeder87
Let's get something started here & score a couple of runs please Dodgers.
2007-05-11 21:12:06
203.   natepurcell
randy wolf has a pretty nifty 53 to 13 K/bb ratio in 46IP.
2007-05-11 21:12:32
204.   Bluebleeder87
199

but they have pop & we only have 2 runs.

2007-05-11 21:13:09
205.   Brian Y
195. Lawry's is on E. Flamingo past the Flamingo hotel. It's actually closer to Paradise/Flamingo.
2007-05-11 21:13:19
206.   Marty
I love prime rib, but it kind of morphs into a horseradish delivery system when I'm at Lawry's
2007-05-11 21:13:29
207.   Andrew Shimmin
Isn't the end cut, by its nature, over cooked?
2007-05-11 21:14:58
208.   Gen3Blue
Way to make Arroyo throw some pitches Jeff.
2007-05-11 21:15:01
209.   Marty
207 It can be, but prime rib is one cut I don't mind well-done.
2007-05-11 21:15:12
210.   Greg Brock
206 Same here. Lawry's cut and a ton of horseradish.
2007-05-11 21:15:24
211.   Gen3Blue
What was that-- a 5 pitch inning?
2007-05-11 21:15:28
212.   Icaros
And then these morons all swing at the first pitch...
2007-05-11 21:16:01
213.   regfairfield
Luis Gonzalez now slugging .398
2007-05-11 21:16:49
214.   LAT
207. Yep. A little dry but its all crusty and has all the seasoning. As Marty says the dryness can be solved with the horseradish.
2007-05-11 21:17:10
215.   natepurcell
213

Luis Gonzalez has officially been put on my Veteran Watch List.

2007-05-11 21:17:15
216.   nick
you Dodgers are getting some damn fine pitching out of your journeymen--

over at Bronx Banter, our journeymen pitch like journeymen....

2007-05-11 21:17:26
217.   Gen3Blue
Why do the D's alway seem to get together on swinging at the first pitch in the later innings. Is it an aggressive thing, or wanting to get it over.
2007-05-11 21:18:23
218.   Andrew Shimmin
I expect that it will one day lead to trichinosis or some other unpleasant illness, but I can't eat overcooked meat. Or overcooked vegetables.
2007-05-11 21:19:24
219.   Icaros
216

I'm sure Clemens will do well for you.

2007-05-11 21:19:50
220.   natepurcell
if all these Ks dont bring out the wolfpack for randy, nothing will!
2007-05-11 21:20:02
221.   Greg Brock
I eat most mammal flesh medium well, but prime rib should be eaten medium rare. It's the only mammal flesh I eat that way.
2007-05-11 21:20:16
222.   Andrew Shimmin
216- Time to play Let's Make a Deal! What do you need with an elite CF prospect? You've got Johnny Damon. He'll play forever! Then you can get all the Mark Hendrickson or Brett Tomko your heart desires.
2007-05-11 21:20:24
223.   Gen3Blue
216 It doesn't matter much. Our hitters swing like journeymen, excepting possibly Martin.
2007-05-11 21:20:25
224.   regfairfield
218 Here here.

219 I don't think he counts as a journeyman.

2007-05-11 21:20:51
225.   natepurcell
you Dodgers are getting some damn fine pitching out of your journeymen--

i dont really consider wolf part of the journeymen club.

2007-05-11 21:21:46
226.   Suffering Bruin
Hee who shall not be named is back home. His home, that is.

http://tinyurl.com/37bkc7

2007-05-11 21:21:49
227.   Marty
Gimme a New York rare, charred, or a filet medium rare and I'm a very happy person.
2007-05-11 21:21:54
228.   Gen3Blue
Our starter may be the first gone--after theirs threw 42? in the first inning. Go figure.
2007-05-11 21:23:17
229.   underdog
216 I assume you mean Hendrickson and the like, and not Randy Wolf, pitching a gem tonight and not what I'd call a journeyman. And what Andrew suggested.

All this steakhouse talk reminded me of one of my favorite Patton Oswalt routines. If you haven't heard his bit about steak places like Outback, you must download it from iTunes. Now.

2007-05-11 21:25:39
230.   Greg Brock
In Choi's usual position of first-base is Jang Seong-ho, who is going for an average of over 0.3 for the tenth consecutive year. In the position of pinch-hitter is Lee Jae-joo.

I love the phrasing. Our centerfielder, he of the 44 million dollars, is battling to keep is OBP above 0.3

2007-05-11 21:25:56
231.   Icaros
Clemens has journeyed to many different cities in his career.
2007-05-11 21:26:45
232.   natepurcell
Arroyo is such a wussy pitcher. breaking ball, breaking ball, breaking ball, change up, breaking ball, breaking ball.
2007-05-11 21:27:25
233.   Greg Brock
LaRoche comes out to Zep's Immigrant Song.

Outstanding.

2007-05-11 21:27:32
234.   Gen3Blue
LaRoche was lucky he didn't hit that first pitch. He seems to have a fairly good eye.
2007-05-11 21:27:54
235.   Icaros
After all the pitches he threw in the first couple innings, letting Arroyo go six is disgraceful.
2007-05-11 21:28:17
236.   neuroboy002
I really want Ethier to hit netter. I'm afraid he might be traded. If Ned had to trade one of our outfielders, do people think Ethier would be "pry-able" from Ned's hands? I'm sure many teams would want him over Clark.
2007-05-11 21:28:38
237.   Branch Rickey
Ump has been much kinder to Wolf than he has been to Arroyo.
2007-05-11 21:29:03
238.   natepurcell
my mistake in 232

i meant to say....

breaking ball, breaking ball,breaking ball, breaking ball, breaking ball,breaking ball, breaking ball,breaking ball, breaking ball,.

2007-05-11 21:29:09
239.   Greg Brock
And Martin low-brides Castro. What a guy.
2007-05-11 21:29:09
240.   LAT
231. Yes bit its always the same place. . .where the money is.

I am already more tired of Roger than I am Barry.

2007-05-11 21:29:10
241.   kadycee
Nice slide! We have been blessed with great catchers...
2007-05-11 21:29:33
242.   Greg Brock
239 Low-bridges, that is.
2007-05-11 21:29:42
243.   regfairfield
Russell Martin really needs a mustache so I can start liking him officially.
2007-05-11 21:29:51
244.   underdog
Wolf's a good hitter but would you have let him hit there? With one out I actually would. But he's at 104 pitches, too. At least Russell did his famous take-out tackle.
2007-05-11 21:29:59
245.   nick
224 225 fair enough......businesslike slide from Martin!
2007-05-11 21:30:10
246.   imperabo
I think that might have been excessive. If he hadn't hit Castro he would have ended up 8 feet past the bag.
2007-05-11 21:30:16
247.   natepurcell
243

beards arent good enough!?!?

2007-05-11 21:30:28
248.   LAT
Martin may get a little chin music in his next at AB for that.
2007-05-11 21:30:55
249.   underdog
233 (And I liked LaRoche's choice of theme music, too.)
2007-05-11 21:30:56
250.   Gen3Blue
Its rare in this age for no one to mention Arroyo is over 110 pitches, though I agree its no big deal.
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2007-05-11 21:31:03
251.   Icaros
So Wolf is going another inning? He's over 100 pitches. Grady should've pinch-hit.
2007-05-11 21:31:08
252.   regfairfield
247 His beard doesn't qualify as "wicked".
2007-05-11 21:32:12
253.   s choir
um... I really don't understand not hitting for Wolf there. I can't believe no one has mentioned it.
2007-05-11 21:32:20
254.   kadycee
mustaches are icky.
2007-05-11 21:32:35
255.   Icaros
253

I did.

2007-05-11 21:32:42
256.   Marty
Man, for all the talk about Pierre, Furcal is really stinking it up. I hope he comes back like last year.
2007-05-11 21:33:01
257.   underdog
Why does a crowd think yelling really loudly on a weak ground ball will upset a fielder's concentration? Has that ever worked?
2007-05-11 21:33:02
258.   kadycee
Grady is pitcher-challenged
2007-05-11 21:33:13
259.   s choir
251 I guess I wasn't the only one :)
2007-05-11 21:33:54
260.   underdog
Mustaches are for porn stars. And highway patrolmen. And Jeff Kent.
2007-05-11 21:33:58
261.   Greg Brock
254 Agree. Never trust a man with a mustache.
2007-05-11 21:34:00
262.   Underbruin
Just got in - any particular reason to not pinch-hit for Wolf there? I know he's throwing a heck of a game, but he's over 100 pitches and 2 runs isn't an insurmountable lead...
2007-05-11 21:35:15
263.   kadycee
Awww...Jeff Kent. Blondie. I like him more now that he's facial hair free.
2007-05-11 21:35:17
264.   underdog
259 See 244 too, although I was indecisive about it. Maybe they'll do a double switch next inning. Grady likes those double switches.
2007-05-11 21:36:06
265.   kadycee
Maybe Rafael should try hitting with that blue tape around his head...
2007-05-11 21:36:13
266.   Andrew Shimmin
Maybe Ned told Grady he wasn't getting a 12th pitcher. And Grady's getting as much bullpen preservation crammed in as he thinks is necessary.
2007-05-11 21:36:28
267.   nick
222 two can play at that game, my friend.....may I interest your GM in Doug M*? he flashes the leather at first--and has veteran savvy! Nomar can shift to 3rd--that young pup LaRoche can go back down for further seasoning...
2007-05-11 21:36:29
268.   underdog
262 Because he doesn't appear at all tired, and is a good hitter? That's my guess, anyway. This has got to be his last inning though.
2007-05-11 21:36:48
269.   Icaros
It's one thing to let Wolf pitch another inning. It's another thing to have two-on one-out and leave him in to bunt (and fail).
2007-05-11 21:37:17
270.   Bluebleeder87
258

it's kind of weird cause he was a catcher.

2007-05-11 21:37:46
271.   underdog
267 I think I speak for everyone here when I say, If Nomar's switched to third at some point, it better be because James Loney is coming up. Or there will be rioting.

Plus Loney is easier to spell than Mientkiwiecaioccez.

2007-05-11 21:38:10
272.   Underbruin
256 - I think it's been noted, in this space and others, that Furcal is notoriously bad in the early months. In his first 111 PA last year (through April), he hit .198 with an OBP of .306.

This year he's had 120 PA to date, hitting .220 with an OBP of .305. He finished last year with an OPS of around .815 I believe, so he can still very well come around.

2007-05-11 21:38:16
273.   Greg Brock
We spoke about this the other day. 100 pitches, as a general rule, is great for keeping your starters effective and healthy. It's not the end-all, be-all. It's a very stress-free 100 pitches, if that makes any sense.

And he just finished the inning.

2007-05-11 21:39:43
274.   Underbruin
268 - Gotcha. Not a fan of the decision, but I guess considering how this past inning has gone it wasn't a bad call.
2007-05-11 21:40:04
275.   LAT
I was in the car during the first inning and Vin referred to someone as a "butter and egg guy." I don't have any idea what that means but it made me a little sad to think that after Vin no announcer can or will ever use a term like that again.

I think it was compounded by the fact that I caught the last 10 mins of For Love of the Game last night. While Costner was plain cheesy Vin saved the entire scene. You just know they gave Vin some crappy script and he said "Do you mind if I change this a little?" putting a roomfull of Hollywood hacks to shame.

"The cathedral that is Yankee Stadium belongs to a Chapel." That has Vinny written all over it.

So what does "butter and egg" mean?

2007-05-11 21:41:38
276.   Andrew Shimmin
The most Ks in a game by a Dodger lefty since Odalis Perez. Doesn't that beat all?
2007-05-11 21:42:59
277.   underdog
275 I think it means someone who has money and spends it loosely.

Yep, according to this:
http://www.miskatonic.org/butter_and_egg.html

2007-05-11 21:43:11
278.   kadycee
Is that different from "bread and butter"?
2007-05-11 21:43:32
279.   Marty
My dad used to use "butter and egg man" too. Maybe because it's rich food, it used to be a sign of wealth or status.
2007-05-11 21:43:50
280.   kadycee
Obviously, Nomar doesn't like being away from the twins.
2007-05-11 21:43:59
281.   LAT
Good AFLAC question in last nights Giant game.

"How many of Hank Aaron's 755 home Runs were inside the park?"

How is an inside the park home runs designated in the official score?

2007-05-11 21:44:10
282.   kadycee
Kent has short legs.
2007-05-11 21:44:13
283.   Icaros
I just don't like wasting opportunities to score runs when the heart of the order (6-7-8) gets something going.

We have many good relievers to pitch the 7th.

2007-05-11 21:44:28
284.   underdog
I'm turning into Bob Timmerman here as a resource tonight!

I also think "butter and egg man" sounds like it would describe someone shaped like Odalis Perez.

2007-05-11 21:45:46
285.   underdog
An insurance run sure would make me feel better about this one.
2007-05-11 21:47:00
286.   Branch Rickey
Given the way he uses it and the site that Underdog cited, I'd say it's kinda like BMOC.
2007-05-11 21:47:46
287.   kadycee
Homer, Martin!
2007-05-11 21:48:51
288.   kadycee
I'm so sick of hearing what Barry Bonds does!
2007-05-11 21:49:04
289.   Marty
Google is your best friend:
Night after night, the big spender came in and ran up large bills. Everyone soon knew him as the big butter-and-egg man, and the expression quickly spread throughout New York. George S. Kaufman immortalized it by making it the title of a Broadway play about a rich midwestern sucker so free with his money that some smart Easterners take him for a ride.

http://www.miskatonic.org/butter_and_egg.html

2007-05-11 21:49:07
290.   Greg Brock
Ken Griffey Jr's career FRAA is -54.

Yup. -54

2007-05-11 21:49:42
291.   underdog
Darnit! This Martin kid's a choker. Send him down for more seasoning!

I keed, I keed.

2007-05-11 21:50:02
292.   Andrew Shimmin
Big Man on Campus. That's the first time in the history of the internet acronymfinder actually helped, I think. So. Score.
2007-05-11 21:50:10
293.   Bob Timmermann
I was out of commission as I spent about 20 minutes trying to get my computer to print something.

There were issues.

There are still issues, but fewer of them.

I was also trying to reconcile why Omar Vizquel has different totals of DPs participated in as a shortstop.

I have turned that over to the Home Office.

2007-05-11 21:50:46
294.   underdog
{Blows on fingers} Fastest Googler in the West, at your service.
2007-05-11 21:50:47
295.   Greg Brock
For those of you that aren't familiar with FRAA, Willie Mays has a career FRAA of +115.

One of these players is not like the other.

2007-05-11 21:51:05
296.   Branch Rickey
Sorry Underdog, I even credited you for posting that link first.
2007-05-11 21:51:42
297.   kadycee
10 men LOB so far. What's up with that?
2007-05-11 21:52:05
298.   Underbruin
The double-switch.

Shocking.

2007-05-11 21:52:40
299.   kadycee
Johnny B. kind of reminds me of Elvis. Maybe it's the sideburns.
2007-05-11 21:53:18
300.   Greg Brock
Leadoff walk from the relief pitcher. Go stand in a corner, Broxton. Bad, bad, bad stuff.
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2007-05-11 21:53:25
301.   underdog
Not a good way to start, Blue Ox.
2007-05-11 21:53:54
302.   Underbruin
299 - Late-career Elvis? I can see it. Somebody needs to talk to the 'entrance music' people.
2007-05-11 21:54:22
303.   Branch Rickey
299. He's bigger than Elvis and the Beatles combined.
2007-05-11 21:54:46
304.   Marty
ack, I didn't see 277
2007-05-11 21:55:26
305.   Greg Brock
303 Broxton is bigger than Jesus...Colome.
2007-05-11 21:55:26
306.   LAT
Thanks Underdog and Marty. Marty, if we are ever at Lawry's being a couple of butter and egg guys and they are down to their last end cut-its yours.
2007-05-11 21:55:46
307.   underdog
This ump is kind of squeezing him a little, too.
2007-05-11 21:55:54
308.   Icaros
Vin apparently does not realize he's talking about former Dodger Jose Valentin, who is of course the pinch-hitter's brother.
2007-05-11 21:56:33
309.   Bob Timmermann
I might try the prime rib if I'm feeling adventurous. But it would have to be a California cut.
2007-05-11 21:56:48
310.   Underbruin
How common is it to have 3 straight pinch-hitters?
2007-05-11 21:57:06
311.   underdog
Uh oh, Hamilton alert.

304 Heh. I just have a superfast internet connection...?

2007-05-11 21:57:25
312.   Bluebleeder87
well i ain't rooting for him in this situation Vinnie.
2007-05-11 21:57:49
313.   kadycee
Johnny B. should kind of sit on him
2007-05-11 21:58:02
314.   LAT
OK, cause no one wants to that the Hammerin' Hank Inside the Park challange I will tell you. . .

its 1.

Bonds has 3.

2007-05-11 21:58:12
315.   underdog
Uh oh, Hamilton back to the bench alert.
2007-05-11 21:59:10
316.   Andrew Shimmin
Second one Martin's taken off the face this game.
2007-05-11 22:00:36
317.   Icaros
316

It won't matter when he signs with another team in five years.

2007-05-11 22:01:00
318.   underdog
Somewhere Mark Grace is giggling like a schoolgirl just at the thought of Broxton pitching that inning. His Ox-sense is tingling.
2007-05-11 22:01:02
319.   LAT
BTW, the record for ItPHR is 50 something by some really old guy. Bob, this is right up your alley but it sounds like you are busy trying to print pictures of Yorkshire Pudding:-)
2007-05-11 22:02:12
320.   LAT
BTW, the record for ItPHR is 50 something by some really old guy. Bob, this is right up your alley but it sounds like you are busy trying to print pictures of Yorkshire Pudding:-)
2007-05-11 22:02:33
321.   Bob Timmermann
The record is 5 straight pinch hitters and it's been done several times. And a few teams have used 6 pinch hitters in an inning.

9/21/1993 Atlanta vs. Montreal

BRAVES 7TH: BERRY STAYED IN GAME (PLAYING 3B); FLOYD STAYED IN
GAME (PLAYING 1B); BARNES REPLACED MARRERO (PITCHING); LANSING
CHANGED POSITIONS (PLAYING 2B); JONES BATTED FOR BLAUSER; Jones
walked; TARASCO BATTED FOR GANT; Tarasco doubled to right [Jones
scored]; BREAM BATTED FOR MCGRIFF; Bream doubled to left
[Tarasco scored]; KLESKO BATTED FOR JUSTICE; Klesko walked;
PECOTA BATTED FOR PENDLETON; Pecota singled to center [Bream
scored, Klesko to third]; Olson singled to left [Klesko scored,
Pecota to second]; Belliard was called out on strikes; CABRERA
BATTED FOR SMOLTZ; Cabrera flied to left; Sanders grounded out
(second to first); 4 R, 4 H, 0 E, 2 LOB. Braves 18, Expos 5.

2007-05-11 22:02:53
322.   sbdrew
My brother and I are trying to recall...did Broxton begin his career in the organization as a starter?
2007-05-11 22:03:00
323.   Berkeley Doug
One piece of good news from the massacre that was the 51s game tonight.

Kuo 2IP, 1H, 1BB, 2K, OER

2007-05-11 22:03:16
324.   LAT
Was I really trying to make a point or do I simply not have control of my enter key?
2007-05-11 22:04:25
325.   regfairfield
322 Yup.
2007-05-11 22:04:28
326.   kadycee
Isn't that guard on his leg supposed to got the other way? Or am I seeing it wrong?
2007-05-11 22:04:46
327.   Greg Brock
323 He was a starter for a good amount of time.

Some of us thought he should remain a starter. Some of us were very wrong.

2007-05-11 22:05:06
328.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers used six pinch hitters in one inning on 9/14/2002 at Colorado. Be prepared for a trip down Memory Lane:
DODGERS 6TH: MERCKER REPLACED BUTLER (PITCHING); KREUTER BATTED
FOR PEREZ; Kreuter was called out on strikes; RUAN BATTED FOR
ROBERTS; Ruan struck out; CHEN BATTED FOR LO DUCA; Chen
walked; Debut game for Chin-Feng Chen; ALLEN BATTED FOR
GREEN; Allen doubled to left [Chen to third]; CABRERA BATTED FOR
JORDAN; Cabrera walked; Kinkade doubled to left [Chen scored,
Allen scored, Cabrera to third]; REBOULET BATTED FOR BELTRE;
Reboulet was called out on strikes; 2 R, 2 H, 0 E, 2 LOB.
Dodgers 15, Rockies 2.
2007-05-11 22:05:27
329.   Greg Brock
326 It's so he doesn't foul the ball off the inside of his leg.
2007-05-11 22:05:43
330.   nick
302 "A little less conversation, a little more Broxton?"
2007-05-11 22:06:07
331.   Bob Timmermann
Sam Crawford is the alltime IPHR leader with 51.
2007-05-11 22:06:37
332.   kadycee
Powder River? Is that what Vin just said?
2007-05-11 22:07:26
333.   underdog
The Dodgers sure swam upstream against that Salmon guy.

Okay, nervous time...

2007-05-11 22:07:39
334.   Bob Timmermann
You've never heard "Powder River" before? That's an old one.
2007-05-11 22:07:44
335.   Branch Rickey
328. That was only 5 years ago? Yikes. Sounds like names from another lifetime.
2007-05-11 22:08:21
336.   kadycee
Broxton will be appearing in Vegas tomorrow night in sunglasses and a leather cape
2007-05-11 22:08:54
337.   sbdrew
Come on Saito...hopefully we get to see you flash that smile.
2007-05-11 22:09:05
338.   Andrew Shimmin
I have no memory of Bill Pecota, even though he played during the years I collected baseball cards.
2007-05-11 22:10:06
339.   kadycee
How did I miss ever hearing Powder River? How??? I've spent 2/3 of my life listening to Vin Scully...
2007-05-11 22:10:39
340.   kadycee
I can't wait to see Saito's smile...please...
2007-05-11 22:10:40
341.   Greg Brock
338 You didn't get one of his cards in every pack, along with Rance Mulliniks, Bo Diaz, and Garth Iorg?

Worst. Baseball Card. Luck. Ever.

2007-05-11 22:11:08
342.   Bob Timmermann
338
Yet, you know all about PECOTA.
2007-05-11 22:11:31
343.   Greg Brock
The Reds would be better if they got rid of the black bill on their away caps.

Of this, I am certain.

2007-05-11 22:11:43
344.   Branch Rickey
Has anyone noticed that Saito really seems to alter the amount of pause time in his windup. Sometimes looks like he's about to give up an start over.
2007-05-11 22:12:17
345.   Andrew Shimmin
342- Are you saying it's like a Small World situation, where PECOTA is Bill Pecota's little sister?
2007-05-11 22:12:19
346.   kadycee
ouchy.
2007-05-11 22:12:51
347.   Bob Timmermann
Joe Morgan says "Powder River" a lot too. Perhaps you have suppressed it because of that association.
2007-05-11 22:13:02
348.   Bluebleeder87
Broxton will be appearing in Vegas tomorrow night in sunglasses and a leather cape

or at a chapel marring drunken teenagers

2007-05-11 22:13:02
349.   kadycee
Remember elastic waistbands? Pete Rose in an elastic waistband...good times
2007-05-11 22:13:10
350.   Andrew Shimmin
Small Wonder. I'm losing ALL my 80's street cred, here.
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2007-05-11 22:14:30
351.   kadycee
Oh, Joe Morgan says it...or should I say, drones it...yes, that's definitely it.
2007-05-11 22:14:34
352.   Greg Brock
350 21 Jump Street cred?
2007-05-11 22:15:30
353.   kadycee
marring teenagers--that sounds much more fun than marrying them!
2007-05-11 22:15:51
354.   kadycee
Saammmyyyy....pleeeese....
2007-05-11 22:16:01
355.   Bluebleeder87
o.k hopefully Saito will regroup & get a DP & then a K.
2007-05-11 22:16:12
356.   kadycee
lousy bunt!
2007-05-11 22:16:19
357.   LAT
Can we put Wolf back in?
2007-05-11 22:17:39
358.   kadycee
I don't remember Juan Castro
2007-05-11 22:18:04
359.   imperabo
They don't have anyone to hit for Castro here?
2007-05-11 22:18:28
360.   kadycee
Garth Iorg? Isn't he a some kind of god in Nordic myth?
2007-05-11 22:18:41
361.   Bluebleeder87
I don't remember Juan Castro

i juan him to strike out.

2007-05-11 22:18:56
362.   Bob Timmermann
Those who don't remember Juan Castro are doomed to repeat Juan Castro.
2007-05-11 22:19:37
363.   kadycee
YES
2007-05-11 22:19:38
364.   Greg Brock
We win!
2007-05-11 22:20:07
365.   s choir
phew. I need a cigarette after that one.
2007-05-11 22:20:09
366.   Branch Rickey
But for Martin's timely single, today would have been yesterday. I'm glad it wasn't because I like today more than I liked yesterday.
2007-05-11 22:20:11
367.   Bluebleeder87
no smile there from Saito he REALLY wanted to strike out Castro.
2007-05-11 22:20:15
368.   kadycee
Ah, yes--but I do remember Ray Coomer. That has to count for something.
2007-05-11 22:20:48
369.   Greg Brock
366 But not as much as tomorrow...
2007-05-11 22:21:11
370.   Branch Rickey
Larry King couldn't get the good seats tonight?
2007-05-11 22:21:36
371.   Bluebleeder87
Larry King siting in the stands.
2007-05-11 22:21:54
372.   underdog
Yeah, Saito was really pumped up! I'll take it, although I always sleep better at night if I can see the Saito Smile before bed.

Man, Randy Wolf was our butter and egg man tonight, free spending with those strikeouts, and the FSN player of the game.

Whew. I hope we can start scoring some runs to support our starters a little better, but I'll take this one. night all!

2007-05-11 22:24:08
373.   Greg Brock
Our offense still stinks, by the way. One extra base hit tonight.
2007-05-11 22:24:13
374.   Bob Timmermann
368
Actually, it was Ron Coomer. And he was a "professional hitter."
2007-05-11 22:24:14
375.   Branch Rickey
Our pitching is so good right now, it's beyond anything I've ever seen. We hardly have to hit if this keeps up.
2007-05-11 22:24:33
376.   underdog
Oh, and welcome to the DT chat club, kady. ;-)

----

Larry King would make a good softball player. (Get it? Huh?) Okay, never mind. I'm going to bed.

2007-05-11 22:24:57
377.   Gen3Blue
Oh man. I'm getting worse. I can't bear to watch when its close. Paying for Extra Innings and staying up till 1:30 AND I HAVE TROUBLE WATCHING WHEN IT'S CLOSE. But at least I know Saito doesn't care what the situation, he pitches the same. Go Sammy, Go Dodgers. With this offense it is almost always close, so I hope I get used to it.
2007-05-11 22:25:45
378.   Greg Brock
Is Kady our second female poster? I mean, if D4P didn't chase Oswald away...

Yes, yes. Welcome aboard.

2007-05-11 22:27:40
379.   Branch Rickey
378. I think Bob chased her away by correcting her. Way to go Bob.
2007-05-11 22:28:01
380.   kadycee
Oh, gosh...guess I should have introduced myself instead of butting in. Hi! Yes, I'm female! Thanks for making me feel welcome. What a fun way to watch baseball.
2007-05-11 22:28:48
381.   kadycee
oops, RON Coomer. How could I forget?
2007-05-11 22:29:35
382.   Marty
378 I pine for the days of Christina.
2007-05-11 22:29:51
383.   Bob Timmermann
380
Sorry, I just don't want to Ron Coomer, professional hitter, to get confused with Ray Combs, former game show host.
2007-05-11 22:30:08
384.   Greg Brock
Nomar had two gorks and a legit hit. Kennedy is fawning over his evening a little too much.
2007-05-11 22:31:00
385.   Bob Timmermann
383
I'm adding extraneous prepositions a lot tonight.

And yet prepositions were ignored by "Grammar Rock."

2007-05-11 22:31:08
386.   Xeifrank
Congrats to the Dodgers on their big win tonight. Another great Dodger pitching performance. I was fighting the sandman the whole game. Decided to finally nap in the 6th inning, only to turn the game back on to Saito's 9th inning walk to put Reds on first and second with no outs and Vinny telling me that was Saito's first walk since the last time Bob made a spelling mistake. Luckily, Siato hunkered down and got out of his little jam and we came away with another win. My DodgerSims simulation had our pre-game win expectancy at 56.16 and is putting tomorrow's at 62.11
vr, Xei
56.16 and 62.11
2007-05-11 22:31:17
387.   kadycee
Kevin Kennedy seems to have stopped talking about how he's managed everyone and coached everyone...oh, wait. Never mind.
2007-05-11 22:31:58
388.   Greg Brock
383 Ron Coomer is from the Kevin Reimer school of hiding a hotdog under your uniform while playing.

Ron Coomer, professional hitter, barbecue sauce spokesman, Beer-league softball look-alike.

2007-05-11 22:32:10
389.   kadycee
Well...have you seen Ron Coomer lately? He might be hosting Family Feud.
2007-05-11 22:33:19
390.   Branch Rickey
387 KK will not talking about himself is like Juan Pierre hitting home runs; don't hold your breath waiting for either one.
2007-05-11 22:33:52
391.   Gen3Blue
374 Ah -- the professional hitter. I remember the night I called for a professional hitter like Sienz or (and at this point I tried to stretch it a bit too far, to Valdez), and got rightfully lampooned.
2007-05-11 22:34:33
392.   kadycee
Juan Pierre hits homeruns?
2007-05-11 22:34:38
393.   goofus
Why don't we get to see Lindsey Soto anymore?
2007-05-11 22:35:36
394.   Greg Brock
We could come up with a great list of professional hitters. Harold Baines was a professional hitter.

Rafael Bournigal...Not so much.

2007-05-11 22:35:54
395.   Gen3Blue
62.11 I like. And I will retire with that happy thought.
2007-05-11 22:35:59
396.   kadycee
Seeing Bronson Arroyo took me back to the days when we had a longhaired blonde on the mound...ooo dreamweaver...
2007-05-11 22:36:37
397.   bigcpa
Jack Cust is having a Matt Kemp-like impact for Oakland this month- 4 HR in 19 AB already. I'm jealous.
2007-05-11 22:37:07
398.   Greg Brock
Juan Pierre is a member of a select fraternity. Left-handed baseball players completely unable to put their baseball cap on straight.

It's always left-handers. I don't know why.

2007-05-11 22:37:13
399.   Branch Rickey
392. He can't hit home runs, he can't throw and now we know he can't pronounce the name of our closer.
2007-05-11 22:37:26
400.   kadycee
Lindsay Soto got caught with D. Lowe.
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2007-05-11 22:38:01
401.   Andrew Shimmin
Lindsay Soto covers the Angels, now, doesn't she?
2007-05-11 22:38:30
402.   kadycee
Pierre does sort of look like he should be one of the Little Rascals. It's hard to hate him because of it.
2007-05-11 22:38:43
403.   Andrew Shimmin
400- Close. That was Carolyn Hughes.
2007-05-11 22:39:42
404.   kadycee
Yeah, her too.
2007-05-11 22:39:42
405.   Branch Rickey
400. Whoa, whoa whoa. You can mix up your Coomers but don't mix up your post game interview babes.
2007-05-11 22:39:49
406.   Greg Brock
402 That was Carolyn Hughes. Lindsay Soto was the one who got caught writing me love letters, telling me how awesome I am.

Or not.

2007-05-11 22:40:38
407.   bigcpa
Anyone hear this Jim Watson twice proclaim that Pierre "leads the Dodgers in hitting?"
2007-05-11 22:41:26
408.   kadycee
So, who's my post game interview babe? Steve Lyons? HA! Oh, wait, I get to watch a few hunky babes playing the game! I'm so lucky!
2007-05-11 22:41:50
409.   Bob Timmermann
406
Didn't Carolyn Hughes e-mail you photos of herself to you?

Or was that Rich Eisen?

2007-05-11 22:41:57
410.   kadycee
Leads them where?
2007-05-11 22:42:26
411.   Icaros
The hunkiest of course being Olmedo Saenz.
2007-05-11 22:43:13
412.   Greg Brock
409 That was Sean Salsbury. And those photos were totally NSFW.

Our Centerfielder does lead the team in hits. So I guess he leads in hitting, from a certain point of view.

2007-05-11 22:43:58
413.   kadycee
Ah...Olmedo. My chunky tomato...
2007-05-11 22:44:03
414.   Andrew Shimmin
I hate wireless microphones.
2007-05-11 22:46:29
415.   Greg Brock
I don't think there is any way to quantify who bad Christine Nubla is. Steven Hawking would probably use physics and whatnot, but I'm not that good.

She is just terrible.

2007-05-11 22:46:41
416.   kadycee
Go Red Wings.
2007-05-11 22:48:16
417.   Icaros
415

I don't know who bad Christine Nubla is either.

2007-05-11 22:48:42
418.   Bob Timmermann
415
I think Christine Nubla is better than Lindsay Soto.

416
Sorry, I'm a Duck man.

2007-05-11 22:50:30
419.   Greg Brock
417 I'm torn between laughing and getting upset over it. I'm laughing.

Whatever. Carolyn Hughes was better than Nubla and Soto.

2007-05-11 22:50:41
420.   kadycee
I only like the Wings because Steve Yzerman is cute. Or he was before his face was sliced and diced by a million pucks and sticks. Well, he was more than cute, I guess. He was a pretty good player...
2007-05-11 22:51:51
421.   kadycee
I want to hear this interview--anyone else having trouble with the audio on Fox?
2007-05-11 22:52:18
422.   Andrew Shimmin
418- I thought you took your cues from the Emmys?

Nubla's problem is Kennedy. He does the same thing to any female co-anchor he happens to be teamed up with.

And I should take back my hating of wireless mics. It's probably somebody asleep at the mixing board.

2007-05-11 22:54:10
423.   Icaros
I really don't know who Christine Nubla is. I'm out of market now.
2007-05-11 22:55:19
424.   kadycee
Would it help if Miss Nubla was blonde?
2007-05-11 22:55:22
425.   Andrew Shimmin
423- If you Google her, she's something of a viral video star. Though she probably wishes she weren't.
2007-05-11 22:56:42
426.   kadycee
Yep, D. Lowe will have her soon.
2007-05-11 22:57:26
427.   Andrew Shimmin
424- It would help if she stabbed Kennedy in the throat right before the show. It would help me, anyway. She might not find herself helped by it.
2007-05-11 22:58:59
428.   Dodgers49
>>> Hong-Chih Kuo will make his first relief appearance at Las Vegas today. The left-hander has made three starts there since recovering from a shoulder injury, but the Dodgers want him to move to the bullpen temporarily to become an option when they go to 12 pitchers. <<<

http://tinyurl.com/2v64xh

2007-05-11 22:59:14
429.   Greg Brock
425 I know what you're talking about. Clipper analysis was never so enthralling.
2007-05-11 23:01:26
430.   Dodgers49
>>> Colletti's phone was glued to his ear the entire time, talking to other teams about potential trades. The Dodgers haven't acquired the power hitter they need, but it isn't because he hasn't tried. <<<

http://tinyurl.com/2v64xh

2007-05-11 23:04:12
431.   Branch Rickey
425. That's pretty funny stuff.
2007-05-11 23:08:11
432.   kadycee
Good night! My Dodger game viewing has been greatly enriched. It is good not to suffer in solitude...though today was a good day for Dodger fans. Think blueish.
2007-05-11 23:13:03
433.   Branch Rickey
Top prospect Greg Miller has regressed after a promising spring. The left-hander faced only five batters in his start Friday, walking four, hitting one, throwing two wild pitches and balking.

Ouch

2007-05-11 23:15:30
434.   Andrew Shimmin
I'm glad Henson makes explicit that Colletti didn't name any names, because his list of slow starting third basemen has a couple of scary options.
2007-05-11 23:19:20
435.   Greg Brock
I can't imagine being a fan of the team who's GM gets duped by Ned Colletti.

I keep thinking of Martini and Harding playing poker in Cuckoo's nest. No matter who wins, they both lose.

2007-05-11 23:29:39
436.   k0b3
some kid on the radio just proposed sending kent to the mets and gettin shawn green back....he would then move nomar to second and greene to play first....lol some ppl are just plain crazy
2007-05-11 23:32:07
437.   bhsportsguy
435 Why is it that fans think that trades have to be the kind where someone gets duped?

Most trades have certain rationiles behind them, they may not be what you believe but generally they are there.

The problem for the Dodgers and really any team that has young talent, those are the ones that people ask about.

I think the bigger issue is that most teams are not interested in making deals and I would be surprised if anyone with some power is dealt right now.

2007-05-11 23:32:33
438.   das411
Tsk tsk...did nobody back in the 130s-160s suggest Dukes, Young, Crawford, and Upton? Where is Uncle Miltie when you need him???
2007-05-11 23:34:42
439.   Andrew Shimmin
Why is it that fans think that trades have to be the kind where someone gets duped?

Experience.

2007-05-11 23:39:22
440.   Greg Brock
437 Because that was the crux of the article.

He smells bargains, but other general managers aren't rubes.

"Teams are reluctant to talk because their guy could revert back to what he was his whole career," Colletti said.

Most of the time, attempting to dupe the opposing GM is the point. Nobody makes a trade to get equal value. One trades to get more than one has, and attempts to do so by getting more than they're giving up.

2007-05-11 23:41:40
441.   Greg Brock
To add on, you may need starting pitching, but nobody trades a great offensive player to get mediocre pitching, unless one is a moron. Conversely, Colletti might look for power, but he's not going to give up very good players to get lesser players. Unless he's not very good. Which I think is entirely possible.
2007-05-11 23:44:35
442.   Greg Brock
437 And finally, having rationales and being duped are not mutually exclusive. There was a rationale behind trading Pedro Martinez (he was supposedly too small to be an effective and dependable starter). There was a rationale, and it was a stupid, stupid trade.

Of course every GM can rationalize their trades. It doesn't mean that their smart, or that they're not being duped.

2007-05-11 23:44:55
443.   Andrew Shimmin
438- Some people have a hard time adjusting to thinking of the D'rays as a Major League team. Maybe in time.
2007-05-11 23:46:36
444.   Greg Brock
I made a their/they're mistake. You know where it is. I know where it is. Let's just pretend I didn't mess up.
2007-05-12 00:13:16
445.   Dodgers49
444 - What was surprising was the their and they're were in the same sentence.
I expected to see one or the other but not both. :-)
2007-05-12 00:17:01
446.   overkill94
Steiner mentioned the Dodgers playing 15 different third basemen since Beltre left, but I could only think of 12 off the top of my head. Who am I missing?

Valentin
Mueller
Robles
Betemit
LaRoche
Izturis
Saenz
Guzman (right?)
Valdez
Lucille II
Lugo
Edwards (I think)

I figured there were probably some September call-ups in there somewhere, but couldn't think of any. I'm sure the rest came from that dreadful year of 2005.

2007-05-12 00:23:59
447.   Dodgers49
446. Who am I missing?

13). Willy Aybar

2007-05-12 00:24:31
448.   Andrew Shimmin
Aybar, Perez, and Valentin
2007-05-12 00:25:14
449.   overkill94
447 Yup, that's one of em. Thanks to espn.com I figured out the other two:

Norihiro Nakamura (how could I forget Mr. Stepinthebucket?)
Antonio Perez

2007-05-12 00:25:36
450.   Andrew Shimmin
You don't have Nakamura, either, so at least one of those is wrong. Or Monday was.
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2007-05-12 00:25:40
451.   Humma Kavula
He has Valentin.
2007-05-12 00:26:25
452.   Andrew Shimmin
Oh, but you do have Valentin, so I'm the one who's wrong. I hate when that happens.
2007-05-12 00:27:49
453.   overkill94
Just for kicks, here are the OPS's for the last three years:

2005 - .722
2006 - .737
2007 - .560

2007-05-12 00:28:14
454.   Dodgers49
446. Who am I missing?

14). The guy from Japan (his name excapes me at the moment :-) )

2007-05-12 00:28:27
455.   overkill94
453 From our 3B spot
2007-05-12 00:32:59
456.   Greg Brock
So, basically, whatever LaRoche is going to be, plopping him down at third base will be better than anything we've had in three years.

Sounds good to me. Go with it, Dodgers.

2007-05-12 04:29:25
457.   Andrew Shimmin
145- By the way, do we have to start calling you Dr. D4P after tomorrow?
2007-05-12 08:23:16
458.   Vishal
well! a few things... 1) too bad i missed the uniforms discussion, though i probably disagree with most of you on a lot of them anyway.

2) nobody mentioned the jazz-warriors game last night? i think the jazz are in trouble, because the warriors seem invincible in oakland, and the games in salt lake have all gone down to the wire. baron davis is amazing, and last night alone he made at least 3 ridiculous drives to the basket which rank among the best moves i've seen in years.

3) i don't know if anyone's mentioned this, but along the same lines as the andre ethier the jazz musician, there's apparently a swedish indie alt/folk act called "loney, dear":

http://www.loneydear.com/index.html
http://www.myspace.com/loneydear

2007-05-12 09:44:19
459.   Jon Weisman
New thread open at Screen Jam.
2007-05-12 10:09:50
460.   Cones88
Re Miller

I think he pressed because the GM was sitting in the audience. He sounds like someone who really wants to prove he used to be the best player in his clubhouse.

2007-05-12 10:44:47
461.   Andrew Shimmin
Nate Purcell: Splitter of the highest order.

http://tinyurl.com/2vycew

He does get off the line of the thread in a complementary diary, over there, on the most over-rated hitter: "if [Russel] martin turns into jason phillips i'll kill myself."

So say we all.

2007-05-12 10:50:52
462.   D4P
457
Not yet, though you're welcome to use said prefix prematurely if you want to get used to it.
2007-05-12 10:53:46
463.   berkowit28
275 butter and egg man
I've heard Vinny say that several times. I wondered whether maybe in the "old days" these were delivered to your door , like milk - delivery man - so it basically means "he delivers"?
2007-05-12 11:01:21
464.   Bob Timmermann
463
See 289
2007-05-12 11:16:59
465.   underdog
464 Or 277 :-P

This was amusing, btw:
Colan Eigenbrod hit ground balls to Hake's nine-year-old son, Cooper, at first base after Thursday's game.

The younger Hake moved deftly, scooping up most everything that rolled his way.

"You look like Steve Garvey," his father, at one point, shouted, a nod to the major leaguer who won four Gold Gloves at first base in 19 seasons with the Dodgers and Padres.

A conversation about Garvey ensued. It ultimately led to Pat Hake wondering aloud whether the ballplayer nicknamed "Mr. Clean" had 3,000 career hits.

He appealed to Lincoln sophomore coach Gary Stoltzenburg, who was standing nearby.

"Hey, Gary, did Steve Garvey have 3,000 hits?" Hake asked.

"Yeah," Stoltzenburg replied.

A few moments later, he seemingly affirmed, "3,023."

Astonished, Hake said, "See, he even knows that."

He spoke too soon.

Garvey ended his career with 2,599 hits.
http://www.lincolncourier.com/story.asp?SID=5938&SEC=10

2007-05-12 11:27:18
466.   dzzrtRatt
"A Big Butter and Egg Man from the West" is a classic Louis Armstrong tune:

*Now she wants...a butter and egg man
From way out in the west
She wants somebody...who's workin all day
So shes got money...when she wants to play*

*Now pretty clothes...they'll never be mine
But what she told me the other day
I hope she don't change her mind
Now she wants...a butter and egg man
A great big butter and egg man
From way down south*

As with many of Satchmo's songs, it's a little suggestive. But Vin's meaning probably was, "he's a dependable guy, he's a breadwinner, he brings home the bacon."

2007-05-12 11:40:40
467.   Branch Rickey
466. Bacon, butter and eggs? He must bring home the lipitor too.
2007-05-12 12:28:38
468.   LAT
JJ Hardy with the grand salami in Brewer-Met game
2007-05-12 13:08:41
469.   goofus
Google says: http://www.miskatonic.org/butter_and_egg.html
My interpretation on that is a big spender, a generous giver; in baseball usage someone who brings in the runs.
2007-05-12 13:49:59
470.   JoeyP
Edwin Jackson had a career high in K's today, and a decent game overall against the Blue Jays.

6 ip
4 runs
9 k's
2 bb's
2 HRs

He's showing some signs. He has his velocity back from his pre-injury days.

Amazing how 4 yrs ago, Miller/Jackson was the next big thing for the Dodgers. I think Jackson has the best shot at panning out at this point.

2007-05-12 16:00:38
471.   underdog
469 meet 277 or 289 and 464 {sigh}

470 Good to see him doing a little better. I always root for him to get his act together, even if maybe not to become an all-star either.

2007-05-12 16:09:01
472.   underdog
Nice piece on the Jax Suns' Matt Riley here in the Sacramento paper:
http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/177670.html

Would be a great story - but three Tommy John surgeries also make me not want to bet on it either.

2007-05-12 16:17:59
473.   CanuckDodger
I watched the Rays/Jays game. Jackson threw a fastball in the 6th inning that was clocked at 99 MPH. The next pitch was a 98 MPH heater that struck Frank Thomas square on the thigh, and Thomas squealed like a stuck pig. Jackson still has some rough edges. He'll hang his slider once in a while and that hurts him (two runs were scored against him today because of it), but he is damn exciting to watch. I wish he were still a Dodger, and right now I would gladly put up with the rough edges and an ERA that is not pretty, because he is going to put it all together, and when he does, he is an ace.
2007-05-12 16:18:16
474.   Dodgers49
New day, same lineup with Penny on the hill instead of Wolf.
2007-05-12 16:22:50
475.   JoeyP
This is day old news--but Nick Swisher signed a 5yr 26.5 mils extension with Oakland. They've essentially bought out his arbitration years at IMO, and unbelievably low cheap rate. Swisher is 26yrs old, and they are going to basically pay him 5mils a season for the very best years of his career.

http://tinyurl.com/2jfdzp

That said, when do the Dodgers think about buying out Russ Martin's arbitration years? Or will they keep with past experience, like they did with Gagne, and just try to get him for the cheapest amounts possible through the arbitration system?

Another thing---Jack Cust is having a Matt Kemp like beginning to his career, albeit 5yrs too late probably.

2007-05-12 16:23:04
476.   Jon Weisman
473 - Sounds like Jackson reached deliverance on Thomas.

New thread up top.

2007-05-12 16:26:23
477.   Charenton
466.

"Big Butter and Egg Man" is one of Armstrong's best early solos and noted jazz musicologist Gunther Schuller refers to it as his "most remarkable recorded solo of 1926".

2007-05-12 16:30:19
478.   trainwreck
475
We had a discussion about this in a previous thread, but I believe we wait until at least next year before we do what the A's did. No need to rush into it, while we still got him at the minimum. I think Russell will be happy to sign an extension with us when we offer it.

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