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May 18 Game Chat
2007-05-18 17:59
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Tonight's game:

Gameday

Retro Gameday

Comments (237)
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2007-05-18 18:03:48
1.   Bluebleeder87
as i posted on Inside The Dodgers, I think i heard on the Radio that Alisa Milano was gonna be interviewed on Think Blue T.V. today.
2007-05-18 18:19:30
2.   Robert Daeley
Now here's a uniform:

http://www.shorpy.com/node/716

2007-05-18 18:21:33
3.   Robert Daeley
And that particular date at Retrosheet:

http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1913/07211913.htm

2007-05-18 18:23:04
4.   LAT
Watching the Mets/Yanks game and they just showed a clip of Roger pitching in the minors today. Looks like he hasn't missed too many meals. Healthy sized mid-section. Maybe thats just where he's keeping all the cash.
2007-05-18 18:24:01
5.   Marty
New post uptop
2007-05-18 18:26:58
6.   DXMachina
4 ESPN actually broadcast Roger's innings, at least in this neck of the woods. It was odd. When I first flipped past, I thought ESPN had the Yanks-Mets game, until I realized the game wasn't at Shea Stadium.
2007-05-18 18:27:31
7.   LAT
Made me laugh Marty. You busted me. In my defense Jon did not give us the NPU warning.
2007-05-18 18:34:17
8.   Andrew Shimmin
The first thing about this season that reminds me of 2003: the pre-game show just spent two minutes on the topic of whether Eric Karros is a metrosexual.
2007-05-18 18:37:08
9.   LAT
Anne Heche really is cruel. She named her son "Homer". The kid's going to have his chops busted in grade school becasue he is named after a yellow cartoon and in high school becasue he is named after a famous greek author who wrote amazing poems that no high school kid will really appreciate until they are 35 and wish they had paid more attention in high school.
2007-05-18 18:42:53
10.   Dodgers49
Detroit scored nine runs in the 5th and led St. Louis 14-0 after six but St. Louis is staging a comeback. It's not 14-2 after seven. :-)
2007-05-18 18:43:46
11.   LAT
They are still talking about metrosexuals. Now its that Randy Wolf uses a lufa and Karos uses wrinkle cream. That's the hard hitting journalism we have come to expect from A. Martinez.
2007-05-18 18:44:02
12.   Dodgers49
Ooops! It's now 14-2 after seven.
2007-05-18 18:48:02
13.   Jon Weisman
9 - Stars have done a lot worse.
2007-05-18 18:48:34
14.   gpellamjr
9 They're better off not paying attention in high school. If any 35 year olds want to learn about Homer, have them contact me: pellam.1@osu.edu.
2007-05-18 18:48:35
15.   Andrew Shimmin
11- I wonder if they'll have an update on the Scott Peterson investigation. Or maybe some SARS news. A tribute to the Concorde's last flight, perhaps?
2007-05-18 18:56:30
16.   Doctor
Good news-bad news, Kemp back in the 51s lineup.
2007-05-18 18:58:51
17.   Bluebleeder87
13

The Martin's/Gwyneth Paltrow (Coldplay) named there son apple if i remember correctly.

2007-05-18 19:00:17
18.   Samuel
14

Funny, if I didn't learn all that stuff that Homer wrote about, I wouldn't have been able to get into AP US History. I honestly don't see the correlation between the two, but that's how it worked at Arcadia High.

2007-05-18 19:03:21
19.   gpellamjr
Who's more annoying? Physioc or Hudler?
2007-05-18 19:05:24
20.   gpellamjr
18 I was in AP US history because my teachers were sure that my grades were so low because I was bored in the regular classes. When my "guidance technician" asked me what I thought, I said, "I'll get a C in the regular US history class, or I'll get a C in AP US, you decide."
2007-05-18 19:06:22
21.   LAT
13. Exhibit A: Romour & Scout
Exhibit B: George Forman II-XIV
2007-05-18 19:07:16
22.   LAT
19. For me, its Hudler hands downs.
2007-05-18 19:09:27
23.   Bluebleeder87
You know if i were Brad Penny i'd pitch Vladamir Guerrero up & in & when i say up & in i mean get out of the way up & in intimidation factor of course.
2007-05-18 19:12:13
24.   Gen3Blue
Didn't nap so I'm ready for a game. I'm listening to a classic rock station behind DTV's Extra Inning schedule. Hearing Eagles "One of these Nights" and thinking of how I packed off to college and heard my good old band working out the harmony in a loft downtown. I worked in "Frat bands" through college, but never reached that level again. (at least not for long.)
Lord I sound maudlin.
2007-05-18 19:13:04
25.   Andrew Shimmin
I give it to Physioc in a nail biter. Hudler is what he is, and if he were teamed up with a decent play by play guy, he'd be a distraction, but, as it is, I find him a relief.
2007-05-18 19:15:56
26.   Samuel
19

Physioc does other commentary for FSN, and he did the Cal upset vs. USC a couple years ago, so for me, he's much less annoying.

2007-05-18 19:16:09
27.   ToyCannon
For Jon from rotowire:

"Carlyle ended a 30 1/3-inning scoreless streak when he gave up one run over 6 2/3 innings for Triple-A Richmond on Thursday. He's 5-1 with a 2.22 ERA and 50:9 K:BB ratio in 44 2/3 innings. At 29, Carlyle is viewed as a journeyman/career minor leaguer. But his numbers at Triple-A may force the Braves to give him a shot this summer if the back end of the Atlanta rotation continues to struggle. "

2007-05-18 19:17:32
28.   Bluebleeder87
Oh boy, Kent
2007-05-18 19:17:47
29.   StolenMonkey86
Wow, Penny's not bringing the heat, or is the Angels' gun R E A L L Y S L O W?
2007-05-18 19:18:46
30.   Gen3Blue
He was sitting "dead red." Could a sentient being do anything else.
Boy, Kent couldn't have been any ruder running Nomar off that fly ball.
2007-05-18 19:22:17
31.   LAT
Zito having a tough go of it against his old team. Bases loaded in the 1st
2007-05-18 19:24:19
32.   StolenMonkey86
aiye, he walked in Cust
2007-05-18 19:24:24
33.   LAT
Zito has given up three walks in a row. The last walking in a run.
2007-05-18 19:24:36
34.   bhsportsguy
For inquiring minds, Tony Jackson asked about any issues involving the health of Matt Kemp.

Neither Stan Conte nor Kim Ng is aware of any physical issue involving Kemp. Could just be the fact that there are so many outfielders down there that Bundy is trying to weave them all in and out of the lineup. Sounds like nothing, but I'll keep checking.

2007-05-18 19:24:42
35.   StolenMonkey86
wait, what am I saying aiye for? He's a Giant now.

Yay!

2007-05-18 19:25:18
36.   Bluebleeder87
31

i've heard Zito is a slow starter i'm sure he'll "get it together" are they playing in Frisco or Oakland?

2007-05-18 19:25:46
37.   StolenMonkey86
36 - Beane-town
2007-05-18 19:25:47
38.   ToyCannon
Albert goes 4 for 4 with a HR in the 9th. Nice that he didn't start doing that until he left town.
2007-05-18 19:27:50
39.   LAT
Zito walked in another. Its 3-0 and bases are still loaded with one out.
2007-05-18 19:28:45
40.   Gen3Blue
I was afraid the D's incompetent start might make me feel some kind of moral disadvantage. But the announcers I have are such obnoxious homers I could never have any trouble with my feelings. Could this really be the Angels regulars! Impossible.
2007-05-18 19:29:48
41.   Andrew Shimmin
The gun can't be too slow; Santana's sitting in the mid-90s.
2007-05-18 19:31:14
42.   StolenMonkey86
Penny did get up to 93 by the end of the inning. Well, go figure.
2007-05-18 19:31:59
43.   LAT
Zito gets DP to get out of it.
2007-05-18 19:33:11
44.   LAT
Bonds Ks as DH.
2007-05-18 19:34:50
45.   Bluebleeder87
41

if Penny wanted to he could reach 98mph no problem but he's more of a pitcher now/he paces him self allot better these days.

2007-05-18 19:35:05
46.   Andrew Shimmin
A measure of redemption for Kent.
2007-05-18 19:35:09
47.   bhsportsguy
Meloan is getting a little touched up as he settles in at AA but he is probably due for a call up to AAA sometime this year but it would surprise me to see him called up to LA this year with Brazoban still pitching in Vegas.
2007-05-18 19:37:33
48.   StolenMonkey86
7 pitch inning for Penny
2007-05-18 19:38:55
49.   bhsportsguy
40 Yes, but Jose Mota and Mark "Guuby" Gubiza are also broadcasting about a 1/3 of the games, mostly on the road.
2007-05-18 19:39:17
50.   Bluebleeder87
i don't know the #'s on Penny but i think he's giving us at least 6+ innings per start, not to shabby
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2007-05-18 19:40:24
51.   bhsportsguy
Andy seemed to pull off that pitch.
2007-05-18 19:41:08
52.   Andrew Shimmin
He's been going about 6.5 IP per start.
2007-05-18 19:41:45
53.   boco
I thought the Angels had to go to the backup announcing team for road games because Hudler couldn't bring his coke on the team plane.
2007-05-18 19:41:46
54.   natepurcell
advance scouts think the way to get andy out is to pound the outside corner.
2007-05-18 19:42:11
55.   bhsportsguy
Kemp is 0-2 with a stolen base and run scored in Portland, he's batting 2nd and playing CF.
2007-05-18 19:45:02
56.   bhsportsguy
Good but needless throw.
2007-05-18 19:45:11
57.   D4P
Grabowski Principle
2007-05-18 19:48:44
58.   natepurcell
that hanging slider should have been crushed.
2007-05-18 19:49:51
59.   Greg Brock
I did not wake up from one of the great all-time naps for this nonsense.
2007-05-18 19:50:41
60.   blue22
53 - I think it was pot, not coke. He does seem awfully wired for a pothead though.
2007-05-18 19:51:01
61.   Bluebleeder87
54

pitchers been pounding the outside corner every time i see him hit, i'm sure he'll make his own adjustments

2007-05-18 19:51:08
62.   overkill94
The Dodgers are up to #3 in ESPN's power rankings. Yahoo for meaningless merit!
2007-05-18 19:52:49
63.   Bluebleeder87
DT has spoken, & they don't like Rex. For the record i'm a Rex fan (one of the few DT'ers i guess.)
2007-05-18 19:54:38
64.   Bob Timmermann
59
For the record, I was also napping, although I woke up in the top of the second.

Another note to the esteemed Mr. Brock, my brother is in Memphis this weekend as he is covering one of the big events of the Sweet Science.

He got the rare pleasure of interviewing Leon Spinks.

2007-05-18 19:55:13
65.   Andrew Shimmin
If I'd spent the last ten minutes having a seizure, I'd be happier than I am right now. Or dead.
2007-05-18 19:56:08
66.   blue22
65 - probably both.
2007-05-18 19:56:23
67.   Bluebleeder87
65

why is that Andrew?

2007-05-18 19:56:46
68.   Andrew Shimmin
59, 64- Have either of you thought about going to a clinic for a sleep apnea test?
2007-05-18 19:57:01
69.   Greg Brock
He got the rare pleasure of interviewing Leon Spinks.

Wow. I hope he brought his "Leon Spinks-to-English" dictionary.

2007-05-18 19:57:51
70.   Andrew Shimmin
67- I hate the K, CS DP. And I hate the steal the pitch after the pitch out. And the pair of Olney's bringing in a run. It was an unpleasant inning, all the way around.
2007-05-18 19:59:10
71.   Marty
A jersey clock seems like maybe the lamest giveaway ever.
2007-05-18 19:59:38
72.   bhsportsguy
Looks like they got the best Santana, at home and night version, last year they faced the worst, road and in the daytime.
2007-05-18 20:01:18
73.   Bob Timmermann
65
If you had a seizure for 10 minutes, you likely wouldn't feel well enough to type right away. You might actually be deaded. 10 minutes is close to being "status" as they say in the trade. I think my seizures have been a minute or two. But then there's a post-ictal phase where you feel really out of it.

A 10-minute seizure would likely result in you soiling yourself.

Seizures aren't nearly as sexy as they look on episodes of "House."

2007-05-18 20:01:55
74.   caseybarker
52 6.5 = 7.2?
2007-05-18 20:02:33
75.   bhsportsguy
You know, some how I feel Garrett Anderson may be the next full time DH.
2007-05-18 20:02:48
76.   Bob Timmermann
69
He said Leon Spinks was very hard to understand. He's also interviewed Don King several times. I think he can get you Don King's cell phone if you need it.
2007-05-18 20:03:45
77.   Gen3Blue
Oh my, Gonzo should have been out but I agrre he wasn't. If an ump called that out, it would have had reason.
2007-05-18 20:04:48
78.   overkill94
I heart R-Mart
2007-05-18 20:05:19
79.   bhsportsguy
Russell hits an actual double.
2007-05-18 20:05:56
80.   Greg Brock
76 Leon Spinks makes Floyd Mayweather Sr. sound like Spalding Gray. It's pretty depressing.

Russell Martin...Ya done good, skeeziks.

2007-05-18 20:06:43
81.   overkill94
Dang you Kotchman
2007-05-18 20:06:51
82.   Bluebleeder87
DARN YOU KOTCHMAN!!
2007-05-18 20:07:13
83.   natepurcell
$$#^$##!!!
2007-05-18 20:07:23
84.   bhsportsguy
At least they are beginning to hit the ball off Santana.

Nice play by Kotchman.

2007-05-18 20:07:29
85.   Andrew Shimmin
74- 51 2/3 IP divided by 8 starts, right? I get 6.458.
2007-05-18 20:07:46
86.   Marty
Nice play for Kotchman. That ball was smoked.
2007-05-18 20:07:58
87.   StolenMonkey86
Ethier needs to be a leprechaun again.
2007-05-18 20:08:15
88.   natepurcell
that was ethier's fault though. If he just hit it over the right field way, we wouldnt have to worry about any defenders stealing a hit away.

:)

2007-05-18 20:08:17
89.   Bob Timmermann
81, 82, and 83 were all upping the ante, until 84 brought us back down.
2007-05-18 20:08:17
90.   overkill94
Gagne's having a very Gagne-esque outing today. While I'm not watching it, he has struck out the first two batters he has faced in a save opp.
2007-05-18 20:08:51
91.   StolenMonkey86
85 - no, it's just how 7.2 usually means 7 2/3, so does 6.5 mean 6 5/3
2007-05-18 20:10:12
92.   Bluebleeder87
70

Gotcha.

2007-05-18 20:11:51
93.   Bob Timmermann
Since Andrew is using base 10, you would have to translate the pitching total to be 6 2/3 since .66 is closer.

At least that's how I would do the math.

2007-05-18 20:13:24
94.   Bluebleeder87
73

seizure's are a serious matter Bob, a friend of my sisters passed on when she had one & there was nobody there to help her.

2007-05-18 20:14:20
95.   Bluebleeder87
Where was that pitch blue!!???
2007-05-18 20:14:52
96.   Bluebleeder87
you can score that run on the ump, wow.
2007-05-18 20:15:08
97.   Greg Brock
Well, that missed strike three call certainly did cost us.

Methinks Brad Penny is a tad unhappy.

2007-05-18 20:15:50
98.   Andrew Shimmin
It's an average. If you weren't allowed to have an average of things that can't really happen, ERA would have to be rounded to whole numbers. Plaschke warned me about you computer nerds, but I didn't listen.
2007-05-18 20:16:14
99.   natepurcell
i would be unhappy too. that was a clear strike.
2007-05-18 20:17:08
100.   D4P
Gameday showed the pitch being outside.
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2007-05-18 20:18:13
101.   StolenMonkey86
my gameday showed it inside the box.

I was looking at the new gameday with animation, FWIW.

2007-05-18 20:18:18
102.   JoeyP
Penny's only sitting at 93 mph tonight.
2007-05-18 20:18:37
103.   Bluebleeder87
97

Penny is gonna go in the clubhouse & brake something. But seriously i like how he kept his composure.

2007-05-18 20:18:45
104.   StolenMonkey86
the box being the strike zone box, not the batter's box
2007-05-18 20:18:50
105.   Bob Timmermann
94
Thanks. I'm still here.

As my father, who also had epilepsy, once advised me,

"Whatever you do, don't have a seizure while you're driving."

This was one of my father's less helpful tips about life. It would be up there with, "If bullets are flying around, don't try to stop one with you head."

2007-05-18 20:19:01
106.   Marty
I just realized The Dodger broadcast is on KCAL. I subjected my self to Hudler unnecessarily.
2007-05-18 20:19:23
107.   StolenMonkey86
102 - gameday told me he hit 95 toward the end of last inning.

Is gameday lying to me?

2007-05-18 20:20:04
108.   bhsportsguy
Figgins may not be the answer at 3B.
2007-05-18 20:20:16
109.   Jon Weisman
Double error?
2007-05-18 20:21:08
110.   bhsportsguy
107 I would be interested to see what Gameday says about that play.
2007-05-18 20:21:18
111.   JoeyP
107--Their gun could be different than the Fox Sports West gun.
2007-05-18 20:21:26
112.   StolenMonkey86
it said in play out, then it said double
2007-05-18 20:21:40
113.   overkill94
What can Scioscia possibly be arguing about?
2007-05-18 20:22:06
114.   bhsportsguy
109 I think it would been the rare infield double with an error to 3B.
2007-05-18 20:22:07
115.   overkill94
Definitely a double and an error, that would have been a tough backhand
2007-05-18 20:22:09
116.   Bluebleeder87
all things even out i guess cause a good 3rd baseman makes that play. but La Roche is at 3rd with no outs.
2007-05-18 20:22:13
117.   StolenMonkey86
it was an error that put him at third base, though.
2007-05-18 20:22:19
118.   Bob Timmermann
If Figgins "threw" the ball in the dugout, then LaRoche should go home if he were already at second when it happened.
2007-05-18 20:23:00
119.   bhsportsguy
Andy don't get picked off.
2007-05-18 20:23:00
120.   D4P
Many people fail to realize that the Dodgers are better off with LaRoche at third than with him scoring, so that a run-scoring single can extend the rally.
2007-05-18 20:23:59
121.   bhsportsguy
Now, I am sure Pierre is bunting.
2007-05-18 20:24:00
122.   Greg Brock
If our centerfielder bunts, I'm taking hostages.

You've all been warned.

2007-05-18 20:24:05
123.   overkill94
118 I'm pretty sure LaRoche was approaching 2B when the ball went out of play. That's the classic 1+1 rule right? The base you're going to plus one extra?
2007-05-18 20:24:27
124.   StolenMonkey86
I'm in VA. I'm not terribly worried.
2007-05-18 20:25:03
125.   bhsportsguy
118 He might have been just short of second, not sure.
2007-05-18 20:25:08
126.   overkill94
Darn you Pierre, why didn't you just bunt? ;)
2007-05-18 20:25:25
127.   Greg Brock
Like I said, you've gotta bunt right there.

Pfff

2007-05-18 20:25:47
128.   StolenMonkey86
Pierre hits a line drive and it gets caught. Blast.
2007-05-18 20:26:06
129.   Bob Timmermann
123
Yeah, it can't be a double, because even if the umpire ruled that Figgins deflected and didn't throw the ball out of play, LaRoche would get two bases.

Wouldn't it have to be a single and a two-base error? But LaRoche would have easily made second.

I'm confused.

2007-05-18 20:26:06
130.   bhsportsguy
122 I was wrong and Greg can say tough luck Juan.
2007-05-18 20:26:54
131.   overkill94
That was low
2007-05-18 20:27:09
132.   Bluebleeder87
Oh god that blue is awful!!
2007-05-18 20:27:25
133.   Greg Brock
If that ball is a strike, Brad Penny's pitch was two strikes.

Garbage.

2007-05-18 20:27:29
134.   bhsportsguy
Low and outside.
2007-05-18 20:27:58
135.   Bluebleeder87
excuse me while i go punch something!
2007-05-18 20:28:16
136.   overkill94
129 A deflection doesn't necessarily mean an error has occurred. Think of it as a diving stop that turned an infield single into an infield double.
2007-05-18 20:29:10
137.   Bluebleeder87
The ump has Vinnie disagreeing with him, that's bad.
2007-05-18 20:29:30
138.   bhsportsguy
I think what got to Nomar was the enthusiastic punch out call.
2007-05-18 20:29:49
139.   overkill94
This ump better start giving Penny that low strike from now on
2007-05-18 20:30:27
140.   Bob Timmermann
136
But an error was charged on Figgins. Because the ball wouldn't have gone in the dugout if he hadn't "thrown" it there.
2007-05-18 20:30:43
141.   Andrew Shimmin
Go ahead and roll the next one.
2007-05-18 20:30:51
142.   StolenMonkey86
whats the on field delay?
2007-05-18 20:30:58
143.   D4P
Retro Gameday has been in agreement with the ball-strike calls.
2007-05-18 20:31:51
144.   Vaudeville Villain
Some awful work by the umpire in this game so far.
2007-05-18 20:31:52
145.   Greg Brock
Tough inning for the Dodgers. Angels get a run after a bad call, Dodgers lose chances over a couple of bad calls.

Oh well. It happens. Now go win the game.

2007-05-18 20:31:58
146.   bhsportsguy
I am pretty sure you cannot blame the Dodgers for not scoring, a line drive out and two umpire-assisted strike calls leads to two outs.
2007-05-18 20:32:01
147.   Andrew Shimmin
142- Kent, then Grittle, arguing with Ron Kulpa about the strike zone. No ejections, though.
2007-05-18 20:32:26
148.   Bluebleeder87
i don't mind the calls the blue is making just call them for both pitchers
2007-05-18 20:32:26
149.   LogikReader
You have got to be kidding me with those calls. The ball was scraping the ground and he called it a strike... fix!!!!
2007-05-18 20:32:30
150.   JT Dutch
... this is the worst home-plate umpiring I've seen so far this season.
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2007-05-18 20:34:28
151.   LogikReader
ps: I didn't even know they had this game on Ch. 9... I was tuned to Angels Homers up to now. Hud of course defends the low "strikes" ..right
2007-05-18 20:34:29
152.   Bluebleeder87
I am pretty sure you cannot blame the Dodgers for not scoring, a line drive out and two umpire-assisted strike calls leads to two outs.

Physioc was pimping Santana saying he got out of that inning, i don't think so the ump blew the calls.

2007-05-18 20:34:37
153.   LAT
FIves are wild for Zito.
He doesn't make it out of the fifth.
5 hits.
5 bb
5 ER and the potential for 2 more
2007-05-18 20:35:48
154.   Bob Timmermann
151
I believe all three games are going to be on both stations.

The Clippers and Lakers have their games against each other televised on two channels now as well.

2007-05-18 20:38:37
155.   bhsportsguy
Penny seems to be fine, now just score some runs.
2007-05-18 20:39:54
156.   Bluebleeder87
Penny is keeping us in the game it's time we scored some runs for him, Let's get some runs Blue Crew!.
2007-05-18 20:40:31
157.   StolenMonkey86
incidentally, Gurnick reports Tommy John for Hamulack
2007-05-18 20:40:40
158.   LAT
Make that 7ER for Zito in his old stomping ground. Making the JPsigning almost look good. (Not really)
2007-05-18 20:41:15
159.   LogikReader
yea, go Suns!!! Oh wait, wrong thread
2007-05-18 20:45:45
160.   LogikReader
ok, forget about that... thx a lot Stern.
2007-05-18 20:47:42
161.   LogikReader
I still feel like the Blue is not out of it yet, now lets see here, Penny is maxing out his 75 pitch limit; oh he's really gutting it out tonight!
2007-05-18 20:48:02
162.   Doctor
Wow, who ever this home plate up is he is really bad. Even worse that the 2 calls to Nomar and Kent was the Penny fast ball down the middle= K= 2 outs (rather that's sac fly) and the Angles maybe don't score their 3rd run. Tough way to be loosing this game.
2007-05-18 20:49:00
163.   LAT
Ervin has thrown 25 more pitches than Penny.
2007-05-18 20:49:39
164.   LogikReader
The errors aren't helping either. You really can't expect much when Ethier and Kent botch routine pop ups
2007-05-18 20:50:54
165.   StolenMonkey86
there goes the quality start
2007-05-18 20:52:16
166.   Andrew Shimmin
95 MPH on the last but one pitch.
2007-05-18 20:52:37
167.   overkill94
140 Right, so LaRoche gets a double and Figgins gets an error for LaRoche to get to third
2007-05-18 20:53:02
168.   D4P
there goes the quality start

I know. And I was all excited to type

JAQSFP

2007-05-18 20:53:10
169.   Frip
I'm an angry person.
2007-05-18 20:53:12
170.   Doctor
I hope Grady (or someone) has his yelling shoes on. This is putrid.
2007-05-18 20:53:32
171.   bhsportsguy
Okay, this is just not their night.
2007-05-18 20:53:51
172.   D4P
Penny's ERA is now over 2
2007-05-18 20:55:36
173.   Bob Timmermann
Here's rule 7.05's relevant parts:
(f) Two bases, if a fair ball bounces or is deflected into the stands outside the first or third base foul lines; or if it goes through or under a field fence, or through or under a scoreboard, or through or under shrubbery or vines on the fence; or if it sticks in such fence, scoreboard, shrubbery or vines;
(g) Two bases when, with no spectators on the playing field, a thrown ball goes into the stands, or into a bench (whether or not the ball rebounds into the field), or over or under or through a field fence, or on a slanting part of the screen above the backstop, or remains in the meshes of a wire screen protecting spectators. The ball is dead. When such wild throw is the first play by an infielder, the umpire, in awarding such bases, shall be governed by the position of the runners at the time the ball was pitched; in all other cases the umpire shall be governed by the position of the runners at the time the wild throw was made;
APPROVED RULING: If all runners, including the batter-runner, have advanced at least one base when an infielder makes a wild throw on the first play after the pitch, the award shall be governed by the position of the runners when the wild throw was made.
2007-05-18 20:57:41
174.   LAT
I once read that our manager has a habit of leaving pitchers in a little too long.
2007-05-18 20:59:53
175.   Bluebleeder87
We're loosing nicely now, hopefully we can atleast scare them with a few runs our selves.
2007-05-18 21:00:18
176.   LAT
In truth Penny didnt pitch all that badly. It just wasn't his night.
2007-05-18 21:00:31
177.   bhsportsguy
174 Do not blame Grady for tonight's game.
2007-05-18 21:00:45
178.   overkill94
173 That rule doesn't seem clear, are they saying he gets two extra bases from when the ball goes out of play?
2007-05-18 21:03:27
179.   Hallux Valgus
I thought you didn't get credit for a stolen base if there was no throw. Am I making that up?
2007-05-18 21:03:56
180.   Bob Timmermann
178
Essentially, yes. You get two bases on bad throws from the field and one base on bad throws from the rubber or a bad pitch from the rubber.

So, if LaRoche hadn't made second, he would be granted third (two bases) and he should have been given a single.

If LaRoche was on second base, he should have been sent home when the ball went in the dugout.

But that's just my opinion and I flunked the IM softball umpire exam at UC Berkeley.

2007-05-18 21:05:37
181.   Bob Timmermann
179
Rule 10.07(g)
(g) The official scorer shall not score a stolen base when a runner advances solely because of the defensive team's indifference to the runner's advance. The official scorer shall score such a play as a fielder's choice.
Rule 10.07(g) Comment: The scorer shall consider, in judging whether the defensive team has been indifferent to a runner's advance, the totality of the circumstances, including the inning and score of the game, whether the defensive team had held the runner on base, whether the pitcher had made any pickoff attempts on that runner before the runner's advance, whether the fielder ordinarily expected to cover the base to which the runner advanced made a move to cover such base, whether the defensive team had a legitimate strategic motive to not contest the runner's advance or whether the defensive team might be trying impermissibly to deny the runner credit for a stolen base. For example, with runners on first and third bases, the official scorer should ordinarily credit a stolen base when the runner on first advances to second, if, in the scorer's judgment, the defensive team had a legitimate strategic motive—namely, preventing the runner on third base from scoring on the throw to second base—not to contest the runner's advance to second base. The official scorer may conclude that the defensive team is impermissibly trying to deny a runner credit for a stolen base if, for example, the defensive team fails to defend the advance of a runner approaching a league or career record or a league statistical title.
2007-05-18 21:06:30
182.   LAT
174. I wasn't blaming Grady. I was just being a smart-aleck.
2007-05-18 21:07:14
183.   Blaine
So an Angel fan invited me to tonight and tomorrow night's game. I couldn't go tonight and am very glad about that now. Hopefully tomorrow will be a better game.
2007-05-18 21:07:15
184.   D4P
Penny's ERA ballooned from 1.39 to 2.54
2007-05-18 21:07:40
185.   Hallux Valgus
"For example, with runners on first and third bases, the official scorer should ordinarily credit a stolen base when the runner on first advances to second, if, in the scorer's judgment, the defensive team had a legitimate strategic motive—namely, preventing the runner on third base from scoring on the throw to second base—not to contest the runner's advance to second base."

got it. Thanks!

2007-05-18 21:08:03
186.   Dodgers49
I was hoping we'd just bypass Tomko entirely this time through the rotation. But we're going to see him on Monday.

>>> Little used the off day Thursday to flip-flop Brett Tomko and Derek Lowe in the rotation, allowing Lowe to pitch Sunday on regular rest and Tomko to pitch Monday on an extra day's rest. <<<

http://tinyurl.com/yvfsuj

2007-05-18 21:08:31
187.   Bob Timmermann
185
Wow, you read all the way through that! Kudos!
2007-05-18 21:08:33
188.   Doctor
There is so much wrong here its tough to even assign blame.

Heck with it, Im going drinking.

2007-05-18 21:08:55
189.   Hallux Valgus
However, defensive indifference might be my new favorite way to advance a base.
2007-05-18 21:09:28
190.   Bluebleeder87
Seanez throwing that nice juicy down & in pitch to a left handed batter when Martin asked for it up & in just one of those games i guess.
2007-05-18 21:09:41
191.   bhsportsguy
182 Yeah, I figured that out. No problem.

I guess tonight, the irresistable force of Penny producing balls in play and a team that is all about putting balls in play came together and Penny was not as fortunate as Santana to get some balls hit right at people.

2007-05-18 21:10:45
192.   Bluebleeder87
Heck with it, Im going drinking.

i was thinking the same thing but no, must resist :o)

2007-05-18 21:10:56
193.   bhsportsguy
just a hunch, K-Rod will still pitch tonight.
2007-05-18 21:16:42
194.   Bluebleeder87
i swear if i ever become a coach in my later years & i have a pitcher throwing down & in pitches to lefties i'll fine them 1 dollar each, assuming i coach little leaguers, if i coach older people i'll fine them 20 bucks.
2007-05-18 21:16:50
195.   Frip
This K-Cal 9 bumper music couldn't be LESS baseball sounding. Sounds like some little kid playing his older brother's Anthrax album at 45rpm.

Someday program directors will understand that down-tempo smooth-groove is the proper mood music for baseball.

2007-05-18 21:16:57
196.   overkill94
180 I think it still gets scored a double and an error. I don't think you can let the official rules get in the way of your judgement as a scorekeeper.

I was hoping the umpire screwed up and we could protest the game. Looks like we'll need a miraculous comeback instead.

2007-05-18 21:17:33
197.   Bluebleeder87
193

thanks for the reminder. We're doomed today, tomorrow is another day though.

2007-05-18 21:18:43
198.   Bob Timmermann
196
I'm passing that play on to the SABR listserv.

That should be good for about thirty responses.

2007-05-18 21:18:55
199.   bhsportsguy
197 No, it was more a prediction of Dodger comeback. :)
2007-05-18 21:20:10
200.   Hallux Valgus
194 If you're coaching little leaguers, you'd better just hope you can get them to throw strikes.
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2007-05-18 21:26:06
201.   Xeifrank
Nice throw Juan.
vr, Xei
2007-05-18 21:28:01
202.   Sam DC
I realize this was an earlier thread, but I'm stuck wondering if it was worth the car trouble to Jon to be compared to Blond on Blond era Dylan.
2007-05-18 21:28:07
203.   Bluebleeder87
Vinnie just mentioned, if we loose today we'll still be 2 games up. San Diego is beating the Mariners 8-1.
2007-05-18 21:28:22
204.   Andrew Shimmin
The Angels passed on two chances (by my count) to run on Pierre's arm. Don't see that every day.
2007-05-18 21:29:41
205.   Bluebleeder87
200

i'll work with there mechanics & hope for the best. You coach little league?

2007-05-18 21:30:47
206.   LAT
All NL West games a blowout. 6 runs closest game so far.
2007-05-18 21:32:39
207.   Brian Y
Did Rex just say that Kent's Flyball was NOT an easy play? I hate the Angels more and more with him doing color.
2007-05-18 21:33:10
208.   Bob Timmermann
202
Sam
Could you email me your preferred email address now?
2007-05-18 21:36:59
209.   Hallux Valgus
205 I did for 4 years with the same team. I had 2 kids who could throw strikes, and 2 kids who threw heat. Unfortunately, those were independent of each other. Especially at a young age, you just want to teach the kids to get the ball down. It keeps everyone involved in the game and makes them play better all around. I think we figured out that 80% of our walks ended up scoring. We won a state championship (11 years old) behind 2 kids who couldn't break the speed limit, but they strikes with movement.
2007-05-18 21:37:04
210.   Bluebleeder87
I just realized how much i dislike the Angels but in hind sight (sp?) i really like them when they play any other team, specialy the Yanks & or the BoSox.
2007-05-18 21:41:07
211.   Bluebleeder87
209

that's really cool, i'm really considering coaching when i get older (love this game) hopefully i'll have the same luck you did.

2007-05-18 21:44:41
212.   Hallux Valgus
211 I absolutely loved it. I was in Colorado at the time, and we played USSSA, not the actual Little League system. Your teams were broken up by high school neighborhood (we even wore the same uniforms), and we would go to coaching clinics put on by the high school coaches, who would teach us the techniques they were looking for in players coming up. Plus, when you have teams for years, you can build on their skills, because you know exactly what you taught them previously. My little league team hat is still the only baseball hat I wear.
2007-05-18 21:45:04
213.   JoeyP
Dodgers just got singled to death tonite. The Angels did to them tonite what the Dodgers have done to their opponents this year.

Just one of those games.

2007-05-18 21:46:42
214.   Hallux Valgus
We actually went to the national championships, which was fun. We were the first Colorado team to win a game since 1989.
2007-05-18 21:47:04
215.   Bluebleeder87
what are the odds of Juan Pierre hiting a dinger right now with 2 men on, slim to non?
2007-05-18 21:53:13
216.   Frip
I understand all the "just one of those games / tomorrow's another day" comments. But I don't feel it. It truly sucked being beaten to a pulp in the middle of Angel Stadium. Felt like a ant sizzling under magnifying glass.
2007-05-18 21:54:40
217.   Greg Brock
Angels fans get so excited when they beat the Dodgers. So do Phys and Wonderdog. It's kind of cute.

Good jorb, Halos. Good for you!

2007-05-18 21:56:01
218.   Andrew Shimmin
Vin called Hendrickson, "Henderson," for the second time tonight. Just one of tho. . .

Right. Never mind.

2007-05-18 21:57:44
219.   Bluebleeder87
212

i've been very lucky in that i've had really good coaches growing up so i'll take bits & pieces from them.214 when i was 17 years old we won a state championship in Mexico (Jalisco) that was the highlight of my youth. i also played in the Sandy Koufax league, were we traveled all over California witch was really really fun.

2007-05-18 21:58:11
220.   StolenMonkey86
LaRoche's OBP dips below .500. But his OPS rises slightly as a result of the double.
2007-05-18 21:58:40
221.   Andrew Shimmin
Oh no! National Bingo Night was on this entire time and I missed it? It was mentioned earlier, but I didn't realize that was tonight. I wonder who one. My guess: B16.
2007-05-18 22:00:14
222.   Bluebleeder87
They beat us good today, hopefully tomorrow with Hendy in there we'll have better luck. This is a crazy game you'll never know, Jared Weaver gives up allot of "big flies" from what i've heard.
2007-05-18 22:03:52
223.   Bluebleeder87
& to top it off the Angels had a monster crowd, hopefully tomorrow we'll return the favor.
2007-05-18 22:04:43
224.   Hallux Valgus
219 Well, among the coaches, we always told ourselves that we weren't teaching major leaguers, we were hoping to teach 12 good future little league coaches, so if you had good coaching, then I highly recommend passing along your wisdom. You will be better for it, and so will the kids.
2007-05-18 22:13:20
225.   Marty
I had zero coaching in little league.
2007-05-18 22:14:01
226.   LAT
Mark Ellis gets the GS for A's. As though they needed it tonight.
2007-05-18 22:17:50
227.   Hallux Valgus
225 the team I speak of contained my little brother. After I followed my mom and he to CA, he played for a team featuring a coach who would show up 10 minutes before the game, and he would bring donuts (they live in Costa Mesa, I live in North Hollywood, so I can't coach him). They never pitched during practice. By the last game, I kicked him out of the dugout and took over. And now my brother doesn't want to play any more because they were so disorganized and downright bad). It breaks my heart, because he could really play.
2007-05-18 22:27:36
228.   underdog
Well, gosh, I'm glad I missed this one entirely. Seeing "Hot Fuzz" instead was much more entertaining. Oh well. At least I called LaRoche's double (in previous thread), not that I deserve a prize. Just one of those... oh never mind. Hope Hendy's brings his "A" game, or at least not his "F" game, tomorrow.
2007-05-18 22:29:23
229.   underdog
Hope I bring proper punctuation and grammar tomorrow, too.
2007-05-18 23:15:14
230.   underdog
Abreu had a nice game in Vegas' win tonight. 4 for 5, a triple. Loney had a double.
2007-05-19 00:10:02
231.   Dodgers49
>>> Triple-A rotation news: The departure of Joe Mays through free agency, the promotion to Los Angeles of Hong-Chih Kuo and the demotion to the bullpen of Greg Miller prompted a major shuffling of the starting rotation in Las Vegas.

Miguel Pinango, who spent six years in the Mets' farm system without advancing beyond Double-A, was promoted from Class A High Desert and has won both of his starts. Miguel Juarez, one of three Minor League pitchers acquired with catcher Dioner Navarro from Arizona in the Shawn Green trade, was promoted from Double-A Jacksonville to fill another spot. <<<

http://tinyurl.com/youv7v

2007-05-19 07:41:38
232.   Greg Brock
A certain LA Times columnist is "proud" of Penny for not losing his temper. How nice.

In other news, a certain LA Dodgers fan is "ashamed" of said columnist for being a no-talent, one-paragraph writing moral windbag hack.

2007-05-19 07:46:30
233.   Greg Brock
I should really stop giving Niall Ferguson such a hard time.
2007-05-19 08:38:41
234.   Icaros
You should stop waking up so early on Saturday.
2007-05-19 08:58:38
235.   Greg Brock
234 Ha. I wish I could. Stupid naps are killing my sleeping in.
2007-05-19 09:09:23
236.   Andrew Shimmin
Good news for the Extra Innings set, MLB is reconsidering its miserable blackout rules.

http://tinyurl.com/2ovapw

2007-05-19 09:24:43
237.   Jon Weisman
New post up top.

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