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Reggie and Him
2007-06-19 15:02
by Jon Weisman

Alex Belth rules.

* * *

Today's 4:07 p.m. game:

Gameday

Retro Gameday

Comments (141)
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2007-06-19 15:07:21
1.   underdog
What about a Reggie Smith and Me column here? Huh? {tapping foot expectantly}
2007-06-19 15:08:14
2.   Sam DC
59 months, now that would be just one month shy of a big nice round number now wouldn't it.
2007-06-19 15:10:36
3.   Bluebleeder87
1

Forget the Reggie's of the world how about a Fernando & me from Jon??

2007-06-19 15:29:15
4.   Bluebleeder87
Russell Martin is gonna be a busy/wanted man up there in Canada i really hope he has a good series in his native land.
2007-06-19 15:37:38
5.   silverwidow
It's official: Chad Billingsley will start on Thursday. And, Jason Schmidt will have surgery.

http://www.beloblog.com/Pe_Blogs/baseball/dodgers/

2007-06-19 15:41:14
6.   gpellamjr
A thoroughly uninspiring lineup tonight. But anything can happen!
2007-06-19 15:41:55
7.   El Lay Dave
5 That, and Tsao, are the good news. The bad news is torn labrum for Brazoban and exploratory 'scope in the shoulder for Schmidt, who may have 'fessed up to the doctor about how that joint actually feels.
2007-06-19 15:42:23
8.   Delino DeShields
Reggie Smith and Me:
I threw batteries at him at Candlestick Park, he punched me in the face.
2007-06-19 15:42:38
9.   Jacob L
Somebody reassure me that Jason Schmidt is not Andy Ashby.
2007-06-19 15:42:48
10.   Xeifrank
5. Rotation gets stronger, bullpen gets weaker. vr, Xei
2007-06-19 15:44:55
11.   Greg Brock
9 The Adam's Apple gives it away.

Ashby had a throat like a casaba melon.

2007-06-19 15:45:35
12.   El Lay Dave
I wonder if Grady and Honeycutt now wish they had stretched Billingsley out a little more in a couple of those recent relief appearances?
2007-06-19 15:46:04
13.   Hythloday
11 - And here I thought you were going to say one was a woman.
2007-06-19 15:46:34
14.   El Lay Dave
11 The Adam's Apple gives it away
I've heard that said about a certain politcal pundit....
2007-06-19 15:47:05
15.   Humma Kavula
Off-topic trivia question:

What one-time (and very brief) DT favorite holds the single-season home run record at ASU?

2007-06-19 15:47:31
16.   bigcpa
Buddy Carlyle.
2007-06-19 15:47:33
17.   still bevens
If we get Tsao back I wont be as upset about losing Chad. Chad seemed like he was turning into Grady's 7th inning guy and Tsao could fall back into that when healthy. I just hope Ned doesn't try to trade for any relief help, as that never seems to turn out well.
2007-06-19 15:47:39
18.   overkill94
This bit of kudos got LATendered from the last thread:

BTW, a big thank you to whoever recommended AVG anti-virus earlier. It was able to get rid of whatever had been ailing my IE which had eluded all other anti-virus software I had used before (admittedly it was an out-of-date Norton from 2005).

2007-06-19 15:48:34
19.   bluegold
9. Schmidt is no Ashby, more like an Erickson, however.
2007-06-19 15:50:17
20.   El Lay Dave
I like Tony Jackson's headline on his blog's current topic:
Let's see if the Dodgers' offence is any better than their offense
2007-06-19 15:53:01
21.   underdog
Argh, I hope Schmidt isn't an Ashby and don't think he'll come close to an Erickson. I hope whatever they do, they get to the bottom of his problems and don't rush him!

I agree, if Tsao can come back we can enjoy having Bills as a starter even more (plus, lest we forget, there are guys like Houlton, Hull and pleaseplease... Meloan! to bolster the bullpen - and I think any of them would be better than Tomrickson.)

Anyway, hurrah to that news at least.

2007-06-19 15:53:38
22.   neuroboy002
Anyone think Brazoban was pushed back into pitching too soon? Perhaps he wanted too as well, but it wasn't as if we were pining for bullpen help. Just seems like the injury was avoidable if he had a slower transition into competitive pitching.
2007-06-19 15:54:38
23.   underdog
Diamond L also posted this: "James Loney is questionable for today's game and probable for tomorrow."
2007-06-19 15:55:32
24.   Xeifrank
hmmmm, Reggie Jackson. My dad went to college at Arizona State in the mid 1960s. My dad told me the story of, one time after class he was walking by a park/field on campus and there were two guys hitting fly balls to each other. My dad asked if he could join them, and then scurried home to get his glove. My dad was impressed with how good they were and even got some advice from one of them about running on the balls of your feet when catching a fly ball, so the ball doesn't bounce in your field of vision. Later on, he found out the one who gave him the advice was none other than Reggie Jackson and I believe the other was Sal Bando. Reggie was there oroginally on a football scholarship. vr, Xei
2007-06-19 15:57:55
25.   bluegold
18. I am a modest guy, but I'll take credit for the AVG recommendation. No anti virus program from 2005 is going to help you in 2007! AVG updates its virus database daily.
2007-06-19 15:58:17
26.   GMac In The 909
23 I always list myself as questionable for today and probable for tomorrow.
2007-06-19 15:59:43
27.   underdog
26 I'm usually doubtful.
2007-06-19 16:01:47
28.   trainwreck
I am so tired of hearing about Amanda Beard in Playboy.
2007-06-19 16:04:41
29.   Jacob L
24 Ironic then that Reggie stands out in my memory for one of the worst misplayed fly balls I've ever seen (game 4 of 81 ws). Cool story, though. Reminds of when I shot hoops with the Cal basketball team, minus any future hall of famers. One future pro (Michael Stewart, not Jason Kidd, alas) was involved.
2007-06-19 16:06:29
30.   Jacob L
The main reason an Ashby/Schmidt parallel got into my head was the 3 year deal.
2007-06-19 16:13:22
31.   Rob M
How did Pierre's double look? Was it a flare down the line or did he hit it hard?
2007-06-19 16:13:37
32.   JoeyP
Terrible base running by Juan Pierre.
That was a Nomar-special!
2007-06-19 16:14:00
33.   Disabled List
9 Somebody reassure me that Jason Schmidt is not Andy Ashby.

How about Darren Dreifort? No? Carlos Perez, then?

2007-06-19 16:14:03
34.   JoeyP
31--Flare down the line and into the crowd.
2007-06-19 16:16:11
35.   Gen3Blue
Like that seeing eye foul.
2007-06-19 16:16:55
36.   Gen3Blue
Fairly solid singles. Or not?
2007-06-19 16:17:02
37.   Rob M
We're rolling right along here.
2007-06-19 16:17:04
38.   underdog
It was a good piece of hitting by Pierre though (don't say that very often) to take that ball the other way. Also it wasn't great baserunning when Pierre hesitated on that Nomar single but on a hard hit ball on turf to shallow LF-er even with Pierre running I'm not sure he would've scored. Doesn't matter now, at any rate.

Wowsa. Offense or offence, I'll take this!

2007-06-19 16:17:36
39.   underdog
36 Yes, solid hits, each of them.

Now here's Mr. Canada.

2007-06-19 16:18:39
40.   Rob M
McGowan doesn't look too sharp on Gameday.
2007-06-19 16:19:30
41.   StolenMonkey86
It's the designated hitter!
2007-06-19 16:19:56
42.   overkill94
Meeeeeerlin
2007-06-19 16:21:39
43.   we are infinite
40 - And you're not even seeing his "mutton chops."
2007-06-19 16:21:43
44.   Gen3Blue
Des hitter not Kemp or Loney?
2007-06-19 16:21:53
45.   underdog
McGowan seems like a totally different pitcher than the one we saw last week. In the first inning anyway.
2007-06-19 16:23:07
46.   underdog
Damn, Marlon ripped that one, too.
2007-06-19 16:23:13
47.   Rob M
in play run(s)...!
2007-06-19 16:23:40
48.   underdog
(I mean the foul ball, not the dribbler he hit fair.) Drove in a run though.
2007-06-19 16:24:06
49.   Rob M
Oh, groundout. I was waiting for a double in the gap.
2007-06-19 16:24:29
50.   Bluebleeder87
McGowan sure looked tuff when he pitched in L.A.
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2007-06-19 16:24:31
51.   JoeyP
Listening to Steve Lyons really makes one appreciate Vin.
2007-06-19 16:24:53
52.   Eric Stephen
Clutch RBI there for DH. :)

Dodgers are 12-4 in games started by Marlon since they acquired him.

2007-06-19 16:24:58
53.   Rob M
Gameday has a different strike zone than the umpire.
2007-06-19 16:25:08
54.   underdog
32 pitches in the first inning for McGowan so far. I'll take that.
2007-06-19 16:26:19
55.   Gen3Blue
I suppose I have no real cause for complaint at this point. But no Loney,Kemp or Betemit for power even with an extra spot.(DH)? Seems a bit strange, and I get a feeling we shouldn't let this pitcher get going--he has building velocity tonight.
2007-06-19 16:27:35
56.   JoeyP
Abreu's left foot is just about out of the batters box. He's like right on the plate.
2007-06-19 16:28:24
57.   Bluebleeder87
perfect 1st inning for us, we scored runs & made the pitcher throw a lot of pitches, let's hope Penny does his part.
2007-06-19 16:28:24
58.   underdog
55 Read the last thread for some more thoughts on this, though I think the general consensus here seemed to be, yes, Kemp should have started and Gonzo in as DH as first choice. I thought Anderson made the next most sense after that. Loney's not available to play today, so that eliminated that chance. Betemit could have had a shot at 3rd today but I guess his awful Sunday was part of the reason he's sitting.
2007-06-19 16:28:33
59.   still bevens
Well if Abreu is gonna hack at the plate and strikeout, I appreciate that he takes 7-8 pitches to do so.

Kudos to the team for making McGowan throw 40 pitches in the first.

2007-06-19 16:29:55
60.   Humma Kavula
53 Rick Monday said that Abreu swung at Ball four.

Gameday shows the pitch going right down Broadway.

When the irresistible force that is Gameday meets the immovable object that is Rick Monday...

2007-06-19 16:30:02
61.   Xeifrank
The win expectancy calculator has our WE at 68.3%. And if we get out of this inning unscathed it shoots up to 75.8%.
vr, Xei
2007-06-19 16:30:03
62.   underdog
Lyons on Penny: "All the Dodger fans know the difference he's been doing so far."

Huh?

2007-06-19 16:30:46
63.   Bluebleeder87
55

he can bring it, i saw him live at Dodger Stadium

2007-06-19 16:31:46
64.   underdog
Sweeeeet.
2007-06-19 16:33:01
65.   Humma Kavula
7 pitches, three outs, 75.8% chance of winning.
2007-06-19 16:34:12
66.   blue22
All 4 games currently in progress are 3-0, visitors.

That is all.

2007-06-19 16:34:40
67.   StolenMonkey86
Pitch Count after 1
McGowan 38
Penny 7
2007-06-19 16:35:21
68.   overkill94
As soon as I saw it was Zaun instead of Stairs in the 2-spot, I said to myself "well here comes a double play."
2007-06-19 16:37:19
69.   fan 4 40 plus
I had Zaun and Loretta in the same class while teaching at St Francis in '86.
2007-06-19 16:38:15
70.   Xeifrank
So far, Luis Gonzalez' single accounted for the biggest chunk of our win probability.
per Fangraphs.com
http://www.fangraphs.com/livewins.aspx?gameid=270619114

vr, Xei

2007-06-19 16:38:49
71.   Jacob L
Way to go deep in the count there, Player.
2007-06-19 16:39:07
72.   Humma Kavula
Much better approach by Pierre...
2007-06-19 16:39:27
73.   Eric Stephen
Rick Monday said that Loney forgot his passport and had to fly home to Texas first before getting to Toronto. I wonder if that played into Loney not starting at DH tonight (either a punishment or he might have arrived to Toronto late).
2007-06-19 16:39:43
74.   Rob M
Juan's getting some nice ABs
2007-06-19 16:39:49
75.   Jacob L
Holy toledo, an extra base hit and a walk in the same game!
2007-06-19 16:39:55
76.   Humma Kavula
See, Juan? Take pitches and sometimes good things happen!
2007-06-19 16:40:25
77.   StolenMonkey86
he fouled off a few before that too. Very nicely done.
2007-06-19 16:40:41
78.   Humma Kavula
Good game so far for Pierre!
2007-06-19 16:40:45
79.   fan 4 40 plus
66 That's what I love about this site ... there's a lot of folks that look and see the same kind of stuff ...
2007-06-19 16:40:48
80.   blue22
69 - Did you have Mike Bresnahan (of the LA Times) then? I think he was there about that time...
2007-06-19 16:40:49
81.   Bluebleeder87
nice steal Pierre, now bring him in Nomar!
2007-06-19 16:40:54
82.   Disabled List
8-pitch at-bat for Juan Pierre.
2007-06-19 16:40:54
83.   Jacob L
Do you seriously need a passport to go to Canada now?
2007-06-19 16:40:57
84.   underdog
Two nice at bats in a row by Pierre (not that anyone would have taken a swing on that last 3-2 pitch)...
2007-06-19 16:41:18
85.   overkill94
My high school coach always said to run after a guy has thrown over twice because pitchers never throw to first three times in a row.
2007-06-19 16:41:24
86.   Humma Kavula
Wow.
2007-06-19 16:41:28
87.   Bluebleeder87
Juan Pierre is an animal today, wow!
2007-06-19 16:41:47
88.   we are infinite
Holy Pierre!
2007-06-19 16:41:57
89.   Rob M
Juan's on fire.
2007-06-19 16:42:07
90.   Gen3Blue
Thats the way Maury did it. Praise be.
2007-06-19 16:42:09
91.   underdog
83 Yes. And Mexico. Sigh, which is one reason I couldn't go join friends there this week. :-( couldn't get one in time.

Nomar comes through in the clutch! Well, garsh.

2007-06-19 16:42:10
92.   blue22
83 - Currently, I believe only to fly there. You can still drive across the border, though that changes soon too.
2007-06-19 16:42:18
93.   Eric Stephen
Pierre figured that since he didn't score from 2nd on Nomar's last single, he better get to 3rd before Nomar's 2nd hit.
2007-06-19 16:42:35
94.   FirstMohican
Well I think I'm set to win the SB category this week in Fantasy Baseball. Thanks Juan!
2007-06-19 16:42:36
95.   Xeifrank
83. I believe so, or atleast a receipt showing that you applied for one, plus drivers license/ID. They have a new law, but are going easy on folks for the meantime due to the rush on people applying for passports. vr, Xei
2007-06-19 16:42:39
96.   JoeyP
Jim Tracy would love Nomar.
Mr. Risp.
2007-06-19 16:43:00
97.   BlueCrew Bruin
Random thought...

Going back to that Alex Belth post, one line about Reggie really struck me:

"He turned down bigger offers from the Expos and the Padres and signed."

It's hard for me to even imagine a time when any player would have to turn down bigger offers from anyone, let alone the Expos and Padres, in order to sign with the Yankees.

2007-06-19 16:43:07
98.   underdog
Who ARE these Dodgers? Is it the fast turf? McGowan's control? Bill Mueller? Maple syrup?
2007-06-19 16:43:09
99.   Gen3Blue
Sometimes you can single someone to death.
2007-06-19 16:43:23
100.   Jacob L
Nomar continues to produce something like 40 for 50 with 38 singles with RISP.
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2007-06-19 16:43:30
101.   Bluebleeder87
Juan base at a time
2007-06-19 16:44:02
102.   Xeifrank
~84% win expectancy. But I wouldn't turn off the game just quite yet. :)
vr, Xei
2007-06-19 16:44:15
103.   Disabled List
I hate it when the line score on mlb.tv is ahead of the game broadcast, and i forget to hide it. I knew that run scored before I saw Nomar hit the single.
2007-06-19 16:45:14
104.   Humma Kavula
Madness! Madness!
2007-06-19 16:45:25
105.   Gen3Blue
But it's sure been station to station. Please be a "Good Penny".
2007-06-19 16:45:27
106.   JoeyP
Sometimes you can single someone to death.

Yes.
Also, save some runs for the next few days.
Penny has enough.

2007-06-19 16:45:30
107.   scareduck
"Remember, this is a two-out rally that began with nobody out."

   -- Rick Monday

2007-06-19 16:45:58
108.   scareduck
102 - the Angels had a game like that yesterday.
2007-06-19 16:46:03
109.   Xeifrank
102. Make that ~89%.
vr, Xei
2007-06-19 16:46:16
110.   underdog
103 Heh, I hate that too. Especially when I pause the game on MLBTV to go do something for awhile. Then come back and see the current score. Darnit!

They just showed Russell Martin Sr. in the crowd. Proud and happy.

2007-06-19 16:46:25
111.   Eric Stephen
Nomar's RISP prowess (and general overall weakness since the 2006 AS break) lends credence to the idea of Loney as starting 1B and Nomar as the perfect PH.
2007-06-19 16:46:50
112.   Bluebleeder87
Grady Little is a genious, he knows things we don't.
2007-06-19 16:46:57
113.   Rob M
Our 2 through 6 hitters are perfect at the plate so far.
2007-06-19 16:47:04
114.   Humma Kavula
107 I heard him say, "...with nobody on." I could be wrong, though.
2007-06-19 16:47:17
115.   overkill94
That was a vintage hit by Martin there, I haven't seen him poke a ball like that in a while. Maybe those two days off helped him after all...

His walk in the first inning was a good sign as well since he hadn't been walking much lately either.

2007-06-19 16:47:24
116.   underdog
Martin went down to subterranean levels to reach that one, brilliant, eh!

So long McGowan.

2007-06-19 16:47:50
117.   Lexinthedena
Such a difference when Juan Pierre commits himself to having good at bats....
2007-06-19 16:47:55
118.   Jacob L
Perhaps we can interest the Jays in a long reliever/mop up type. How fast can a trade get consummated?
2007-06-19 16:47:56
119.   Gen3Blue
Get into that bullpen. We have a 1-20 record or something like that to correct.
It looks like an interstate number.
2007-06-19 16:48:04
120.   JoeyP
7 singles + 1 bb = 6 runs.
2007-06-19 16:48:27
121.   Xeifrank
109. Make that ~92%. Someone throw in the towel!
vr, Xei
2007-06-19 16:48:32
122.   Doctor
Now lets tenderize the 'Jays pen a little.
2007-06-19 16:48:43
123.   scareduck
Russ Martin likes hitting in Canada.
2007-06-19 16:48:48
124.   Gen3Blue
A Yogi Berra swing for Russ.
2007-06-19 16:49:00
125.   Eric Stephen
116 Since Martin is (sort of) back home (at least home country), would you call it Subterranean Homesick Dodger Blues?
2007-06-19 16:49:13
126.   Xeifrank
Let's pull Penny and have him pitch again tomorrow and push everyone back one day.
/just kidding.
vr, Xei
2007-06-19 16:49:14
127.   Rob M
120 8 singles and 2 BB
2007-06-19 16:49:27
128.   Humma Kavula
120 And a double.
2007-06-19 16:49:52
129.   JoeyP
7 singles + 1 double + 2bbs = 6 runs.
2007-06-19 16:50:00
130.   Rob M
gameday had strike one to marlon at eye level.
2007-06-19 16:50:09
131.   Gen3Blue
I have the Jays announcers and they are very good, even in these circumstances. No trace of "homer".
2007-06-19 16:50:24
132.   underdog
That pitcher already looks better than McGowan. I liked Charlie Steiner's line about his name - "Gordon DeJon sounds like someone who should have a boutique on Rodeo Drive."
2007-06-19 16:52:16
133.   we are infinite
Games in progress:

Visitors 17
Home Teams 1

2007-06-19 16:52:29
134.   Jon Weisman
New thread up top. Let's move the game chat there, if you don't mind.
2007-06-19 16:53:02
135.   Xeifrank
134. What!? Trying to jinx us!? :)
vr, Xei
2007-06-19 16:54:22
136.   Gen3Blue
That second pitch wasn't a strike?
2007-06-19 16:54:23
137.   overkill94
Alright, who's gonna be the first one to bitch about the inevitable Glaus trade rumors ;)
2007-06-19 16:54:49
138.   JoeyP
I'm glad there's a 6 run lead.
Bc Juan Pierre still sucks.
2007-06-19 16:56:18
139.   scooplew
Growing up in L.A., I used to listen to virtually every Dodgers game. I loved the night games from the East Coast, which sandwiched the dinner hour. In the summer they would come on after I had played softball all day at La Cienega Park in Beverly Hills, near our house in L.A. I remember a game in Philadelphia that the Dodgers led 7-0 after 1 1/2 innings. This is reminiscent of that game. The best road game was when you turned it on in the top of the second and Willie Davis was leading off. As Willie batted third, that meant that the Dodgers had sent 11 batters to the plate in the first inning and would have scored at least five runs and as many as eight. That was an extremely rare occurrence.
2007-06-19 17:13:39
140.   trainwreck
137
I said I hoped he struck out in every at bat in the previous thread. So that kind of counts.
2007-06-19 17:44:46
141.   fordprefect
107
Rick Monday must have narrated the Monsanto "Better living through chemistry" ride @ Disneyland.

-Hell, he's probably living it.

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