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Martin, Penny, Saito and a Bunch of Other Guys Play a Game Chat
2007-07-10 15:06
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Challenge: Predict exactly where Russell Martin will hit the first pitch he makes contact with tonight - foul territory included.

* * *

Today's All-Star game:

Gameday

Retro Gameday

Comments (419)
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2007-07-10 15:11:55
1.   underdog
I don't want to jinx Russell by predicting much but will predict his first contact will be for a ball hit foul into the stands on the right. Just a hunch. Hope he does something good tonight!
2007-07-10 15:13:47
2.   underdog
Since I was LATed, or underdogged, from previous thread:
223
That's good, though. You guys needed rain desperately. Except not floods. Hopefully, there will be no floods.

It's nice and sunny here for the All-Star game, after a foggy early morning (pretty typical). Going to watch the game with a Yankee fan friend and some of his mates at a bar called.. the Connecticut Yankee. I'll likely be the only Dodger fan there.

2007-07-10 15:18:47
3.   blue22
Ichiro is closing in on a 5 year, $100M (!) extension with the M's. Top that, A-Rod!
2007-07-10 15:19:10
4.   FirstMohican
Russell sends one to the right field corner for a 3B. That or he takes one just over the left-center field wall.
2007-07-10 15:20:54
5.   blue22
Line drive over the shortstop's head, not quite reaching the gap, for a single.
2007-07-10 15:21:22
6.   D4P
Top that, A-Rod!

He will. Why? One word:

Gloss

2007-07-10 15:27:18
7.   ToyCannon
2
Came and went in about 1 minute but it was a hard rain for that one minute. I think the fact my factory is right next to major power poles sucked the rain out of the clouds for that brief moment.
We will probably end up with more fires being caused by lightening then being helped by such a futile rain.
2007-07-10 15:27:57
8.   bhsportsguy
3 That just makes Scott Boras smile. All Andruw needs is to put up a good second half and voom, Beltran contract again.
2007-07-10 15:28:38
9.   Bob Timmermann
I predict Martin won't bat until the second. He will foul off the first pitch he sees behind the plate.
2007-07-10 15:28:55
10.   ToyCannon
Russel Martin will take Haren deep to LC on the 1st pitch he ever see's in an all-star game.
I predict Haren gets hammered by the NL.
2007-07-10 15:29:13
11.   Bob Timmermann
8
Especially if Andruw Jones can pick up a bunch of EPs.
2007-07-10 15:30:53
12.   underdog
6 He will. Why? One word:
Gloss

No, no, he plays third for the Blue Jays.

2007-07-10 15:33:50
13.   regfairfield
6 Do you realize that in bats where A-Rod doesn't make an out, he's hitting 1.000? What would you pay a guy who hits 1.000?
2007-07-10 15:34:07
14.   natepurcell
100mil for Ichiro's 34-39 years seems rather....stupid.
2007-07-10 15:38:06
15.   Kevin Lewis
pop fly foul into the stands just beyond the first base dugout
2007-07-10 15:38:35
16.   Bob Timmermann
The Mariners must think that Ichiro brings in a lot of outside revenue.

Every Mariners game is shown on TV in Japan. And they get pretty good ratings despite being on at weird times.

2007-07-10 15:41:33
17.   blue22
14 - It does seem stupid, and I don't really agree with it from a baseball standpoint, but Ichiro means a lot to the Mariners.

I'm new to the Seattle area, so I'm not as attached to him as most people here. Most hardcore M's fans (including the guys at USS Mariner) seem happy about it. They just have a TON of money tied up to some real mediocre players for the next few years.

2007-07-10 15:46:19
18.   natepurcell
the Mariners do have offensive help in the way of two very good OF prospect in Belentien and Adam Jones. maybe long term goal is to flank Ichiro with those two players.
2007-07-10 15:48:28
19.   blue22
14 - The good news is that Adam Jones would appear to be available now (or should be, at least). It'd almost be worth falling out of the playoff race to spin Lowe up to Seattle for him.
2007-07-10 15:48:45
20.   natepurcell
so im looking at Seattle's lineup and pitching and I can't believe they have the record they have.
2007-07-10 15:49:13
21.   regfairfield
Ichiro is a physical specimen. While I wouldn't want any other speed based player from age 34-39, Ichiro might be the exception. Even if his speed did decline, I wouldn't be surprised if he started swatting home runs.
2007-07-10 15:49:28
22.   natepurcell
19

Jones and Belentien both are pretty awesome prospects. I wouldnt mind either one.

2007-07-10 15:50:17
23.   blue22
20 - Take a gander at their run differential.
2007-07-10 15:51:48
24.   blue22
21 - For someone about to be paid $20M per year, he's only got a .290 career eqa. He's pretty overrated for his on-field production.
2007-07-10 15:52:40
25.   overkill94
I'm guessing Russell takes the first pitch for a strike, fouls the next one straight back, watches a couple balls go by, fouls one more off, and then singles up the middle. You heard it here first!
2007-07-10 15:56:36
26.   underdog
Greg Oden's out for the summer because he's having his tonsils removed? I didn't know they even still did that...
2007-07-10 15:59:14
27.   regfairfield
24 As a centerfielder, that's amazing. It's better than Carlos Beltran's career numbers and one point behind Grady Sizemore. Combine that with great defense, and Ichiro is one of the best players in baseball.
2007-07-10 15:59:21
28.   Bob Timmermann
26
A coworker just had her tonsils taken out. She was out for a couple weeks. She had been sick off and on for a while.
2007-07-10 16:05:49
29.   Branch Rickey
I don't think anyone has done this yet this year and if they have, I'll just do it again.

All-Star Break is a time to take a breath and reflect on the first half of the baseball year. We can discuss the merits and shortcomings of the Dodgers all day and every day. And we do. And we discuss a lot more than that. And many of us find sanctuary from work, wives and reality of all sorts.
For that, we have Jon Weisman to thank.
He has created something that is valuable for all and priceless for some. And All Star break is the time to give back a little something. Now is the time that you really should press the paypal button at the right and send Dodgerthoughts a donation. Base it on the intersection of what it's worth to you and what you can afford. Think of it is as the best subscription you ever paid for and did so voluntarily.
Of course Jon has not asked for this and I'm sure he never would. But I still think it is the right thing to give a little back to someone who has given so many of you so much.
Now excuse me while I go apply for a job at PBS.

2007-07-10 16:07:02
30.   Vishal
[10] dude, no way.
2007-07-10 16:08:00
31.   blue22
27 - It's better than Carlos Beltran's career numbers

Start Beltran's career at age 26 or 27 (the age when Ichiro came over), and his career numbers look superior. But I guess there's no guarantee that Beltran maintains his current level of production for another 2-3 years to keep up with Ichiro. Certainly Ichiro's move to centerfield this year has increased his value.

2007-07-10 16:09:18
32.   bhsportsguy
Seattle is 5 games above what their run differential record would project.

Sea +5
Az +5
LA Angels +4
Cle +2
Atl +2
NYM +2
LAD +1
Bos 0
Milw 0
Det -1
Tor -2
Minn -3
Chi C -3
Oak -3
SD -4
NYY -8

I'm not sure how this projects out for the full season, I know Cleveland had a pretty big split last year. The Dodgers had a bigger run differential last year at this time last year with a worse record.

2007-07-10 16:09:38
33.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Chopped foul, at the plate.
2007-07-10 16:12:02
34.   CajunDodger
3
I tend to think that the sky is falling, but it seems that the free agent pool is shrinking rapidly for Ned and Co. Vernon Wells is off the market, Ichiro could be gone. Torii Hunter, Jones, Lowell, and Dunn are the only difference-making bats that I can think of and they will be VASTLY overpaid.

Where, oh where, is our mythical bat going to come from?

2007-07-10 16:14:05
35.   be2ween
Dribbler foul, third base side.
2007-07-10 16:20:23
36.   bhsportsguy
At this point last year, the Dodgers had scored 71 more runs but had also given up 53 more runs for a difference of only 18 runs.

The questions that remain, can the offense continue its mini-resurgence that they began in the latter part of June and will the pitching continue to hope up and keep runs off the board.

2007-07-10 16:20:48
37.   bhsportsguy
At this point last year, the Dodgers had scored 71 more runs but had also given up 53 more runs for a difference of only 18 runs.

The questions that remain, can the offense continue its mini-resurgence that they began in the latter part of June and will the pitching continue to hope up and keep runs off the board.

2007-07-10 16:22:32
38.   bhsportsguy
Oops sorry about that Chief.

BTW - I was pretty excited to buy the entire DVD set of "Get Smart" but I have yet to even watch my favorite episodes and I have had it for six months. But I'll get around to it I'm sure.

2007-07-10 16:23:10
39.   be2ween
Forget the 'much-needed bat', what arms are out there and avail for us to swoop in on?
And at what price?
2007-07-10 16:23:22
40.   jasonungar07
over the right center field fence. 420 feet away.
2007-07-10 16:25:47
41.   blue22
36 - According to BP's equivalent runs and adjusted equivalent runs stats, LA's pitching has been quite unlucky this year giving up 17 more runs than they "should have". I can't really think of anyone pitching better than their numbers show though. Broxton maybe?

By the same measure, the Padres have been lucky in both their hitting and pitching lines. Perhaps a good sign for the second half.

2007-07-10 16:26:57
42.   trainwreck
Great write up on our prospects TC.
2007-07-10 16:30:53
43.   bhsportsguy
42 The wraith about Lavin's wedding is much less than I thought, I think there is a lot of people who seem to understand his predicament.

Of course, if you have seen his fiancee, you would probably again try to figure out what lucky star he was born under.

Meanwhile Ben Howland is out at high school and college gyms watching his potential 2009 and 2010 recruits.

2007-07-10 16:32:09
44.   DodgerBakers
I'm going to be pessimistic (we all see how well that went for Bob) and say a groundout to short.

I'd like to see a monster home run into the Bay, though.

2007-07-10 16:33:26
45.   bhsportsguy
According to Josh R at ITD, Penny is going to pitch the second inning and only go one inning.
2007-07-10 16:39:38
46.   Kevin Lewis
29)

Thanks for the reminder

2007-07-10 16:39:44
47.   Andrew Shimmin
If Flanders were to figure out a way to get Belentien, all would be forgiven.
2007-07-10 16:40:57
48.   Andrew Shimmin
Balentien, even.
2007-07-10 16:46:03
49.   TheDictator
3

A-Rod will top 20 Mil. I believe it is in his contract that he has to be the highest paid player in baseball.

I predict if Ichiro gets that kind of deal, A-Rod goes free agent. With that contract setting the market, Boras could probably get A-Rod 30 Mil per year.

2007-07-10 16:46:56
50.   Gen3Blue
All I can say is that Martins first fair ball will probably be a line drive to left. Will it be caught? I don't know. Earlier in the year I mentioned that I was surprised that Hu went from 5'9", 150 to 5'11", 190 in about one years roster stats. This probably actually took 2 or 3 years in reality. Assuming all these stats include a bit of inflation, what surprised me is that the scouts main rap on him was there was no room on his frame for additional muscle.
My two thoughts: His hitting shows power that indicates he has added muscle. Also, if the new numbers are accurate, can a guy at 5'11", 190, still have amazing range in fielding.
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2007-07-10 16:51:37
51.   Andrew Shimmin
A soccer game I'd be willing to watch:

http://tinyurl.com/24furc

2007-07-10 16:52:05
52.   Jon Weisman
New post at Screen Jam. RIP, Charles Lane.
2007-07-10 16:55:11
53.   Eric Enders
Foul pop into the stands down the first base line.
2007-07-10 16:56:20
54.   jasonungar07
It dosen't and didn't and won't matter what anyone else gets or does.

A-rod is going to be a free agent.

To think he wouldn't is like thinking JD Drew wouldn't.

"(Rodriguez) is going to opt out and he's going to get more," said Minnesota's Torii Hunter, a free agent himself after this season. "People want to say it's all about the money, but it's all about not being stupid."

2007-07-10 16:58:51
55.   Curtis Lowe
Martin singles to center.
2007-07-10 17:03:04
56.   blue22
54 - Wherever he goes, you're going to want to lock him up long enough to hit another 350 or so homers. If he can hit that many and break the record in your uniform, the amount of money you pay is almost inconsequential.
2007-07-10 17:03:27
57.   Jon Weisman
29 - Thanks a lot, Branch. I didn't ask for your note ... but don't put it past me :) But sincerely, thanks.
2007-07-10 17:07:05
58.   D4P
I found this little article through FJM. It's entitled "Slobbermetrics, How Bill James and Math Nearly Destroyed Baseball". Here's an excerpt to whet your appetite:

Barry Bonds is a perfect example, the thought of losing all those succulent steroid drenched numbers sends the average Sabermite into a slobbery, mad dog, frenzy. They would rather chew off the non-math lobe of their brain than let go, or admit, that Barry might indeed be full of nincompoop.

http://tinyurl.com/2y9bkf

2007-07-10 17:08:23
59.   regfairfield
58 I have to trust that guy, he actually watches the games.
2007-07-10 17:09:22
60.   capdodger
I'm with Bob. I think Martin will foul it back.

The next one will be a line-drive triple to right-center.

2007-07-10 17:10:36
61.   TheDictator
54

Do you think Mr.Ned throws a bunch of money at A-Rod like he did Furcal, i.e. overpay for a shorter term.

Or do you think Boras will simply use Mr. Ned's tactics as a way of running up the price without any intention of signing with LA?

2007-07-10 17:11:09
62.   D4P
Martin will have to wait for his second PA to make contact, as he'll reach by CI on the first pitch of his first PA.
2007-07-10 17:11:44
63.   capdodger
He'll hit it 250'.
2007-07-10 17:12:25
64.   capdodger
BOO!!!
2007-07-10 17:12:38
65.   blue22
56 - err...250 homers. Still that's a ton of homeruns. He's still got a long way to go and probably won't get it on his next deal. Guess the next team will have to settle for just his mvp-level performance each year.
2007-07-10 17:13:08
66.   Jon Weisman
58 - I thought that Slobbermetrics article itself was a parody, wasn't it?
2007-07-10 17:13:22
67.   MMSMikey
that guy just embarrassed himself totally, that was ugly.
2007-07-10 17:13:59
68.   regfairfield
66 Further research indicated it wasn't, unless this guy as an Andy Kaufman-esque genius.
2007-07-10 17:16:07
69.   Eric Enders
Has anyone yet predicted that Martin will not make contact in the game at all?
2007-07-10 17:19:37
70.   The Mootz
Martin will hit one into the leftfield gap for a double.

I also predict that Saito, Penny, and Martin will be booed when they're introduced.

2007-07-10 17:19:57
71.   Who Is Karim Garcia
two at bats, Martin never touches the ball.
2007-07-10 17:20:27
72.   TheDictator
58
Having read that article, I truly believe I am stupider for having read it. :-)

I guess close minded prejudice is still in vogue.

2007-07-10 17:22:53
73.   jasonungar07
I think the dodgers will pretend to go after him but in reality won't. I don't think Ned cares or needs to drive up the price it will already be crazy talk prices.
2007-07-10 17:23:28
74.   bhsportsguy
I wonder, outside of Barry Bonds, would any fans in LA at an All-Star Game, boo any player?

I doubt it.

2007-07-10 17:23:36
75.   max power
Stay classy, San Francisco
2007-07-10 17:23:58
76.   Indiana Jon
Line drive down the right field line for a double. Fair by inches.
2007-07-10 17:24:23
77.   TheDictator
66
I hope for the writers sake that it was an attempt at parody. If it was, it came off poorly.

I think Martin singles to left.

2007-07-10 17:25:23
78.   MMSMikey
no class whatsoever
2007-07-10 17:25:51
79.   Bob Timmermann
74
At the 1980 game, I don't believe any players were booed. I know we didn't boo the Giants representative at the game. After all, who hates Ed Whitson?

The hard part was being able to make anyone out on the field with the 5:30 pm start.

And a lot of us were caught up in the small fire that started behind the stadium from the fireworks being set off.

2007-07-10 17:26:54
80.   TheDictator
73
I think Mr. Ned goes after him. A-Rod has a lot of marketability. As we have learned from Nomar, its not ability that matters, its market-ability.

A-Rod will have both. Mr. Ned is salivating now.

2007-07-10 17:27:07
81.   LogikReader
78

Ah what are you gonna do? Dodger fans would do the same thing if the All Star Game was at the Ravine.

Great to be back everybody!! I missed you guys so much (sorta) while I was away at the Home Run Derby.

Here are my initial impressions of AT&T Park:

"The stadium was very beautiful, if you took out the kiddie diamond and the goofy giant coke bottle and giant baseball glove... and the stupid water canons, the ridiculous mascot, the obnoxious foghorn..."

2007-07-10 17:27:10
82.   D4P
Bob - How many CIs have there been in All-Star history...?
2007-07-10 17:27:22
83.   The Mootz
Boy, "The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim" just flows off Buck's tongue, doesn't it?

Artie Moreno should call his team "The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim California in the United States of America." You don't miss any demographic that way.

2007-07-10 17:27:52
84.   Bob Timmermann
82
I'm pretty sure there haven't been any.
2007-07-10 17:28:13
85.   LogikReader
81

I meant to say if the ravine hosted an all star game and Bonds was in it... whoops

2007-07-10 17:28:50
86.   Indiana Jon
The fact that Martin got the biggest boos in San Fran just makes me love him that much more.
2007-07-10 17:29:05
87.   bhsportsguy
Really, did you have to prep the fans by saying "Get ready San Francisco" before introducing Bonds?

That's just silly to boo Russell.

2007-07-10 17:30:04
88.   dzzrtRatt
So Martin is such a workaholic, he can't stop to run up the red carpet?

I just hope he's picking up some good intel on Peavy.

2007-07-10 17:30:30
89.   D4P
84
Then Martin's will be the first. Awesome.
2007-07-10 17:30:52
90.   jasonungar07
83 May I add North America, Western hemisphere along with Earth and Milky Way?
2007-07-10 17:31:02
91.   Icaros
Fans of a last-place team are really good at booing.
2007-07-10 17:31:07
92.   bhsportsguy
They couldn't get someone to sing "O'Canada."

Stuck up Nor Cal.

2007-07-10 17:31:38
93.   Bob Timmermann
84
Baseball-reference confirms this.

Only one player has ever reached first on an error. Sal Maglie in 1951 and it was on a ground ball.

2007-07-10 17:31:56
94.   jasonungar07
You think Martin was booed, wait until they introduce Barry Zito. Ooops. Well maybe not.
2007-07-10 17:32:04
95.   Andrew Shimmin
88- I missed the AL introductions; did Pudge waddle up the red carpet?
2007-07-10 17:32:36
96.   D4P
Only one player has ever reached first on an error

That's hard to believe. I guess these guys really are Stars, after all.

2007-07-10 17:33:20
97.   LogikReader
92

You've said it! I was out there over the weekend and sheesh getting a cup of coffee is an ordeal for these guys. I digress..

2007-07-10 17:34:08
98.   Andrew Shimmin
Not turning on the mic for the beginning of the song was a bold move, but, in retrospect, would have been the right way to go the whole way.
2007-07-10 17:36:27
99.   williamnyy23
93 That can't be correct. I checked one box score based on a memory and Wade Boggs reached first on an E4 by Ryne Sandberg in the third inning of the 1986 ASG.
2007-07-10 17:36:40
100.   Andrew Shimmin
Can't we watch some video of Mays playing?
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2007-07-10 17:37:13
101.   hernari
May as well predict the moon.

Martin hits a Grand Slam!

2007-07-10 17:38:04
102.   D4P
Can't we watch some video of Mays playing?

I may be in the minority, but I've always liked that over-the-shoulder catch he made. Does anyone else remember that?

2007-07-10 17:39:02
103.   Curtis Lowe
Martin Doesn't get an at bat. La Russa deliberately snubs Martin by switching for McCann as a Defensive replacement to start the game.
2007-07-10 17:40:33
104.   Andrew Shimmin
102- As thrilling as watching a pack of baseball players walk (for some reason; were they taking a literal stroll down memory lane?) is, I'd have been happier to watch old clips.
2007-07-10 17:41:31
105.   Andrew Shimmin
This is approaching Olympics opening ceremony territory. I don't understand what I'm looking at.
2007-07-10 17:41:34
106.   trainwreck
I would like the fans booing me if I was a Dodger. It is the strongest reaction they had given at that point.
2007-07-10 17:43:26
107.   bhsportsguy
104 You are so sentimental.
2007-07-10 17:43:47
108.   Curtis Lowe
105 - it's pretty much a metaphor.
2007-07-10 17:44:14
109.   Bob Timmermann
I meant to write "only one player has reached first on an error BY THE CATCHER"
2007-07-10 17:44:57
110.   D4P
I'm surprised Sabermites even watch the All-Star game. I mean, the stats don't even count.
2007-07-10 17:45:04
111.   WillieD
Exactly, Jon. Watching the intros, it sure felt different this year, with our three Dodgers, all deserving, in there.

Loved Penny's reaction to the SF partisans in the stands, and the way Saito and Martin followed suite, with the tip of the hat, and Martin with that big smile. Ha! Martin's the coolest.

2007-07-10 17:45:09
112.   Jon Weisman
102 - "I may be in the minority, but I've always liked that over-the-shoulder catch he made."

Is that a joke? Who doesn't like that catch?

2007-07-10 17:46:05
113.   Bob Timmermann
102
Did you know that Willie Mays was 700 feet from home plate when he made that catch in the 1954 World Series? And he ran 400 feet to catch the ball? And then threw it back to the infield ON THE FLY?

After the game, he went and played stickball in the streets of Harlem.

2007-07-10 17:46:26
114.   Andrew Shimmin
"A moving tribute," says McCarver. Because he was in a pink Cadillac. For some reason. Moving. I get it!
2007-07-10 17:47:15
115.   D4P
Just think: someday Barry will be driven around in a car on the infield.
2007-07-10 17:48:22
116.   D4P
That Byrnesey. What a character!
2007-07-10 17:48:51
117.   Indiana Jon
113
No way. Only Bo Jackson could do all that.
2007-07-10 17:49:19
118.   trainwreck
Now that is a proud Bruin.
2007-07-10 17:50:19
119.   Telemachos
Eric Brynes is insane and I love him for it.
2007-07-10 17:51:04
120.   Andrew Shimmin
Eric Brynes is insane and I love him for it.

And anybody who doesn't is wrong.

2007-07-10 17:51:13
121.   williamnyy23
One of my prized possessions is the original broadcast of the 1977 ASG. If next year's game is anything as exciting as that one, it will be very memorable. Thinking about it does make me kind of sad though. The New Stadium has really amassed a history of its own...I am going to miss it.
2007-07-10 17:51:42
122.   williamnyy23
121 Sorry guys...wrong blog! That was meant for Bronx Banter.
2007-07-10 17:52:50
123.   WillieD
Byrnes drives me crazy. Great bulldog though!
2007-07-10 17:53:26
124.   Bob Timmermann
The 1977 All-Star Game foreshadowed Goose Gossage's failings in that game. He had a 10.50 ERA in 6 IP. He did get a save in 1984.
2007-07-10 17:54:33
125.   Andrew Shimmin
Ozzie's looking old. That makes me sad.
2007-07-10 17:54:58
126.   bhsportsguy
113 I thought any response I made to that would be in violation of a few rules.

Cranky Bob Feller has always said that he thought Mays made several other catches that were better, it was only because of the circumstances and that it was on TV that it was famous.

I think that is like Dennis Eckersley saying that Kirk Gibson hit several much more impressive home runs, it was only because it won a Game 1 in the World Series is that it remembered so well.

2007-07-10 17:55:11
127.   D4P
Penny warming up in the bullpen.
2007-07-10 17:56:18
128.   Eric Enders
112 "Is that a joke? Who doesn't like that catch?"

[slinks down in chair, meekly raises hand]

I just don't think it's all it's been cracked up to be. Sure, it was a nice catch, but it's regarded as the greatest catch of all time and it was nothing close to that. He had to run a long way, sure, but it was more style than substance. People like it because his hat fell off, and because he whirled and threw quickly, but they forget that the throw was pointless; the runner advanced anyway.

I've seen hundreds of better catches during the regular season and several better ones in postseason play. (The two Mets outfielders, Ron Swoboda and Endy Chavez, come immediately to mind.)

I remember, as a kid, reading Bob Feller's autobiography, in which he devoted the better part of a chapter to debunking the greatness of the Mays catch. This is the first and hopefully the last time I ever agree with Bob Feller on anything.

2007-07-10 17:57:35
129.   Eric Enders
Funny bh and I have the same memory of Feller.
2007-07-10 18:01:03
130.   DXMachina
Wow. That was one awful error.
2007-07-10 18:03:35
131.   bhsportsguy
129 I just read that somewhere. I believe Vin Scully has said he recalls Mays catching a ball in Brooklyn with his bare hand so I would think that would be a better catch.
2007-07-10 18:03:55
132.   WillieD
Sure is cool having the starting NL catcher. Martin's so unmistakable, behind the plate.
2007-07-10 18:04:49
133.   bhsportsguy
132 I thought Ichiro would have tested Peavy/Martin combo.
2007-07-10 18:05:10
134.   DXMachina
My favorite Mays catch was the other one they showed in the interview segment, the one where he and Bobby Bonds both jumped the ball at the fence at the same time, and Mays held on, despite being knocked out by the impact. It happened during an NBC game of the week, so I got to see it live.
2007-07-10 18:06:14
135.   bigcpa
128 Beltran just made the Mays catch on Saturday and did it running up a hill.
2007-07-10 18:08:32
136.   Bob Timmermann
Jerry Morales played in the 1977 All-Star game. I don't think I would have remembered that under any circumstance.
2007-07-10 18:09:21
137.   Icaros
Dave Roberts's catch in Houston to save Gagne's streak was also impressive.
2007-07-10 18:16:26
138.   Icaros
Wow. Didn't think I could kill a DT thread with Roberts and Gagne.
2007-07-10 18:17:12
139.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Good Lofton commercial.
2007-07-10 18:17:13
140.   bhsportsguy
138 People are getting ready for Penny's appearance.
2007-07-10 18:18:14
141.   capdodger
Cool. Penny is not trying to put 100 up on the gun. Get your outs and get out of there.
2007-07-10 18:19:53
142.   capdodger
It's sweet to see Penny to Martin in the ASG.
2007-07-10 18:20:17
143.   trainwreck
Nice night for Penny.
2007-07-10 18:20:23
144.   Bob Timmermann
Guerrero actually saw the most pitches of those three hitters.
2007-07-10 18:20:49
145.   Icaros
A microcosm of the New Brad Penny.
2007-07-10 18:22:22
146.   capdodger
A microcosm of the New and Improved Brad Penny.
2007-07-10 18:22:45
147.   bhsportsguy
Penny probably threw 7 pitches to the first batter he faced last year.

He can now sit back or if it was like the old days, he would shower and get out of there with his girlfriend.

2007-07-10 18:25:43
148.   bhsportsguy
So how does Martin's stats look on TV?
2007-07-10 18:26:48
149.   Bob Timmermann
So who had line out to third in the pool?
2007-07-10 18:27:29
150.   capdodger
Martin blows his bat to bits.

Damn you A-Rod.

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2007-07-10 18:27:48
151.   Andrew Shimmin
McCarver's career high single season stolen base total was nine.
2007-07-10 18:28:15
152.   capdodger
149 Looks like the house wins.
2007-07-10 18:30:24
153.   Bob Timmermann
152
I should have bet on the hard five.

Then again I'm very bad at playing craps.

2007-07-10 18:31:00
154.   bhsportsguy
149 I think Gen3Blue said line drive to left and he did say it could be caught.
2007-07-10 18:31:01
155.   Icaros
But Jon said foul territory counts. Didn't Martin foul the first pitch back as they cut from Prince Fielder's tattoo show?
2007-07-10 18:32:19
156.   bhsportsguy
Now it looks like the fans will leaving AT&T soon because Bonds is due up in the next inning and I would guess he would come out after that.
2007-07-10 18:33:37
157.   Icaros
155

Gameday says swing and miss, and my eyes are playing tricks on me.

2007-07-10 18:34:33
158.   trainwreck
Placido has a giant forehead.
2007-07-10 18:35:00
159.   Jon Weisman
None of that is a reason to dislike Mays' catch. Thank goodness for that catch, which gave us a taste of Mays in his prime.

I'm thrilled Mays made better catches. In the meantime, let's not put down a huge play just because it had the misfortune of actually being filmed.

2007-07-10 18:37:33
160.   Jon Weisman
I checked the replay. Martin missed the first pitch.
2007-07-10 18:39:25
161.   Bob Timmermann
According to the Gameday I was using, the first two strikes to Martin were called.
2007-07-10 18:39:27
162.   Curtis Lowe
Martin set up outside on that last pitch, Sheets threw it inside.
2007-07-10 18:41:11
163.   trainwreck
Get off my TV screen Dane Cook.
2007-07-10 18:41:27
164.   Bob Timmermann
156
I seriously doubt anyone would be leaving the All-Star game early just because Bonds would be out of the game.

If I paid that much for a ticket, I'd stay until the last dog was hung.

2007-07-10 18:42:38
165.   Andrew Shimmin
163- Dane Cook jabbering on and on: I live for this!
2007-07-10 18:42:57
166.   dkminnick
158 - I think Polanco is a Klingon.
2007-07-10 18:43:08
167.   bhsportsguy
164 And I thought I was giving Bob another opening to talk about his dislike of San Francisco residents.
2007-07-10 18:43:41
168.   Icaros
What's with A-Rod's clown cleats?
2007-07-10 18:44:10
169.   Bob Timmermann
167
I'm trying to be nice to everyone:
San Franciscans
St. Lousians
Mythical people who live in Delaware
2007-07-10 18:45:11
170.   Andrew Shimmin
Modern science seems to have accomplished the feat of cloning forty some odd thousand Charlie Steiners.
2007-07-10 18:45:13
171.   capdodger
Bonds really wanted that one to go out. His face had emotion on it.
2007-07-10 18:45:41
172.   Bob Timmermann
Ichiro and Reyes each halfway to joining the rare 4-hit Club in a single All-Star game.

Other members: Carl Yastrezmski (1970), Ted Williams (1946), Joe Medwick (1937).

That's pretty nice company.

2007-07-10 18:47:40
173.   bhsportsguy
Boston has had a nice run of left fielders, Williams, Yaz, Rice, Greenwell, and Ramirez. That's 70 years of near HOF production at one position.
2007-07-10 18:49:29
174.   trainwreck
Harvey Keitel tells me to steal and by golly I will listen.
2007-07-10 18:51:11
175.   Who Is Karim Garcia
168

Those are sweet! Have you checked out Utley's?

2007-07-10 18:51:52
176.   capdodger
174 Jeter need to stop listening. He keeps getting thrown out.
2007-07-10 18:53:29
177.   trainwreck
How sweet would it be to see A-Rod in a Dodger uniform? Laroche can move to LF.
2007-07-10 18:54:12
178.   Icaros
175

Utley's just make it look like his pants are bellbottoms.

2007-07-10 18:55:10
179.   Who Is Karim Garcia
A-Rod + Bonds = Best Friends For Ever.
2007-07-10 18:55:26
180.   Icaros
177

Forget that. A-Rod replaces Furcal. LaRoche stays at third.

2007-07-10 18:55:37
181.   MMSMikey
yaa russ!
2007-07-10 18:55:39
182.   natepurcell
Yay Russ!
2007-07-10 18:55:49
183.   Who Is Karim Garcia
I just had a Ray Fosse flashback. Yikes.
2007-07-10 18:55:50
184.   Andrew Shimmin
A-rod to Martin: Please don't hurt me!
2007-07-10 18:56:03
185.   trainwreck
180
I was thinking that, but I am not sure Furcal would want to move to second.
2007-07-10 18:56:29
186.   Bob Timmermann
Griffey making his MVP case early.

But I think Man of the Match would be a nicer title.

2007-07-10 18:56:35
187.   capdodger
180 Do you really think ARod could move back over to SS?
2007-07-10 18:56:51
188.   Curtis Lowe
189 - M.O.M
2007-07-10 18:58:26
189.   capdodger
Good to see that Kobayashi is getting work.
2007-07-10 18:59:21
190.   Icaros
185

Furcal leaves as a free agent.

187

Why can't he? Just because the Yankees have Jeter? A-Rod can play SS at least as long as Ripken did.

2007-07-10 18:59:39
191.   capdodger
188 She's over there.....
2007-07-10 19:00:16
192.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
Good thing A-Rod doesn't take this game anywhere near as seriously as Pete Rose did. We don't need Martin playing the role of Ray Fosse.
2007-07-10 19:00:52
193.   capdodger
190 I don't know. Maybe he doesn't want to move back over and risk getting taken out turning a double play.
2007-07-10 19:00:59
194.   trainwreck
190
Furcal has a year left on his deal. A-Rod will not.
2007-07-10 19:01:23
195.   Andrew Shimmin
192- Russ would have been fine, Mr. Rod would have disintegrated on impact. He chose wisely.
2007-07-10 19:02:55
196.   trainwreck
Stop talking about other things during Russell's at bats.
2007-07-10 19:03:20
197.   capdodger
Stop talking about Barry Bonds. Golden God is batting!!!
2007-07-10 19:03:29
198.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
Announcers belatedly picking up on the snarky remark Bonds made about players sticking together (hint, hint, Mr. Aaron).
2007-07-10 19:04:12
199.   Indiana Jon
192 A-Rod playing as hard as Pete? That would be an unstoppable combination.
2007-07-10 19:04:30
200.   Bob Timmermann
192
In reality, Fosse didn't get hurt seriously because of the collision with Rose.

Rose did miss a few games however.

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2007-07-10 19:04:41
201.   Icaros
194

I wasn't exactly planning for next year, but if A-Rod becomes available to LA, what happens to Furcal is of little importance.

2007-07-10 19:04:42
202.   Andrew Shimmin
Is there anybody one earth who finds Robothal and Buck dishing about steroids interesting? Do they think they have a journalistic duty to do this? Do they think they're journalists?
2007-07-10 19:04:46
203.   trainwreck
Oh well, so much for my hope of MVP for Martin. Still a huge accomplishment to start the game in your second season.
2007-07-10 19:05:07
204.   capdodger
I don't think they mentioned Martin once during that AB.
2007-07-10 19:05:31
205.   Curtis Lowe
Looks like Russ played too hard during the first half he's hitting way under the Mendoza line for the 2nd.
2007-07-10 19:05:55
206.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
200
Really? I thought I remembered the collision really doing damage to Fosse's career. This is the sort of thing, though, that Google can settle for us right away.
2007-07-10 19:07:28
207.   trainwreck
During A's broadcasts Fosse will not even speak about Rose or the Big Red Machine, when they are brought up. He just stays silent. I always found that hilarious.
2007-07-10 19:08:44
208.   capdodger
Watch what he does, Russ. Watch and learn!
2007-07-10 19:09:46
209.   trainwreck
It is nice to only see one Yankee reserve.
2007-07-10 19:10:55
210.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
206
http://reds.enquirer.com/farewell/09222002_cinmoment3.html

Epilogue: Fosse, who was only 23 when Rose rammed him, played nine more seasons but never was as good as he'd been before the injuries he suffered July 14, 1970 (separated and fractured throwing shoulder). Rose missed three games with a bruised knee.

2007-07-10 19:12:55
211.   trainwreck
That dog should be named Steve Lavin because he is completely lost.
2007-07-10 19:13:08
212.   capdodger
That was a weird bounce.
2007-07-10 19:13:15
213.   Bob Timmermann
In a 1995 article, Fosse claimed the injury from the collision with Rose didn't show up until the offseason:

"Fosse was never the same after the injury. Gobbling pain killers to ease the fire in his shoulder, Fosse played two more months in 1970 before a finger injury ended his season. Unable to lift his left arm above his head, Fosse hit .297 with only two homers and 16 RBIs after the break. Called "Mule" by teammates in honor of his toughness, Fosse never asked out of the lineup.

It was not until the next spring that the problem was found. Fosse had a fractured and separated shoulder. According to doctors, the force of Rose's hit was so great the inflammation and swelling kept the fracture from showing up on X-rays.

Fosse played seven more seasons, but could not return to his All-Star level. He had 16 homers at the break in 1970 and only 39 homers in the next 7 1/2 seasons.

"I couldn't use my left side, so I developed bad habits swinging the bat," Fosse said. "Without a doubt, (the injury) affected me.""

Still, Fosse played pretty well the rest of the 1970 season. I don't think a dropoff from .312 to .297 is falling off a cliff.

2007-07-10 19:13:20
214.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
Ichiro going for MVP.
2007-07-10 19:13:43
215.   Andrew Shimmin
PETA is going to set Byrnes's car on fire. In his first spot, he slapped it with his glove. Now he's trying to drown the poor thing.
2007-07-10 19:14:56
216.   capdodger
215 It was wearing a life jacket.
2007-07-10 19:15:51
217.   Andrew Shimmin
216- If Eric Byrnes gave you a life jacket, how much confidence would you have in it?
2007-07-10 19:18:18
218.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Message to Joe Buck: Shut up and call the game. You're putrid as a play by play man. Take in a Dodgers' game so you can see what it's supposed to sound like.

So much pointless jibber-jabber.

He honestly makes Steiner and Lyons sound like Hall of Famers.

2007-07-10 19:18:22
219.   Bob Timmermann
Who goofed on the HR? I've got to know!
2007-07-10 19:20:39
220.   Who Is Karim Garcia
No goof, Bob, the ball hit the wall and took a sharp right at Albuquerque and Griffey had no shot at getting Ichiro.
2007-07-10 19:21:07
221.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
Reyes and Ichiro 3-for-3.
2007-07-10 19:21:13
222.   capdodger
219 No one. It was hit to the archway in right-center. Griffy was over in time, and in the right place, but the ball kicked off of the tarp-ad at a very acute angle to the wall. Griffey had no chance. By the time he got to it, Ichiro was almost to third.
2007-07-10 19:22:15
223.   Bob Timmermann
Well, it's nice to know that somebody can score off of Tall Chris Young.
2007-07-10 19:22:35
224.   trainwreck
Too bad Ichiro and the Mariners will both regret that extension.
2007-07-10 19:23:33
225.   capdodger
216 Dog owners can be very protective. It's probably the only thing that depends on him.
2007-07-10 19:24:39
226.   Bluebleeder87
I don't think they mentioned Martin once during that AB.

I was hoping fellow ex-catcher Tim McCarver would pimp him but i guess not.

2007-07-10 19:26:54
227.   capdodger
So.... Is anyone here posting from the Phonebooth?
2007-07-10 19:29:52
228.   capdodger
But for the man reaching over the fence, that would have gone off the wall.
2007-07-10 19:30:37
229.   Bob Timmermann
First ever RBI for a Devil Ray player in the All-Star game!
2007-07-10 19:30:52
230.   Icaros
227

I'm walking distance if you're in decent shape.

2007-07-10 19:31:30
231.   Bob Timmermann
First ever hit for a D-Ray player in the All-Star game to boot!
2007-07-10 19:35:17
232.   Bluebleeder87
wow, I thought that ball had a chance i guess we can thank the thick air in the bay for that.
2007-07-10 19:36:04
233.   Bob Timmermann
There hasn't been an All-Star game with a triple and a home run in it since ... LAST YEAR!
2007-07-10 19:38:37
234.   capdodger
232. The angle wasn't quite right. ATT is deep in right-center, and the wall is tall. Unless you can smack over where the wall juts out, you'll probably bounce it off of the wall.
2007-07-10 19:38:49
235.   Bob Timmermann
Gameday has lost its bX and pfX capabilities.

I will have to give up following the game.

2007-07-10 19:39:59
236.   Bluebleeder87
235

but Russell Martin is coming up to bat!

2007-07-10 19:40:53
237.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Turtle.... no way.
2007-07-10 19:42:00
238.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Russell curses on every pop up. I dig it.
2007-07-10 19:42:11
239.   trainwreck
Lame!!
2007-07-10 19:42:12
240.   Andrew Shimmin
Russ breaks rule one with extreme prejudice. Murdoch isn't going to be happy about that.
2007-07-10 19:42:12
241.   capdodger
Russel was... unhappy, with that AB.
2007-07-10 19:42:45
243.   trainwreck
At least he tagged that cop.
2007-07-10 19:42:52
244.   Icaros
It's cute how he even gets mad while playing a stupid, meaningless All-Star Game.
2007-07-10 19:43:14
245.   MMSMikey
;( i hope mccann doesnt catch saito
2007-07-10 19:43:20
246.   Curtis Lowe
Does going 0-3 in the All Star game affect Russ in the 2nd half?
2007-07-10 19:43:45
247.   capdodger
240 Murdoch can afford the fines.
2007-07-10 19:44:09
248.   Bluebleeder87
i saw Saito worming up, hopefully he's getting ready to come in.
2007-07-10 19:45:38
249.   Bob Timmermann
Joe DiMaggio played in the ASG in his rookie year in 1936. He went 0 for 5.

He finished the year batting .325 with 29 homers.

2007-07-10 19:45:48
250.   Bluebleeder87
246

I don't think it counts, specially since he's facing the elite pitchers of the AL.

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2007-07-10 19:46:09
251.   capdodger
245 It doesn't matter. The Braves have played the Dodgers twice.
2007-07-10 19:46:23
252.   Icaros
248

He was drinking Tequila?

2007-07-10 19:47:23
253.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
If McCann gets hurt, Martin can return to the game, right? I seem to remember Tommy Lasorda getting that rule change for the ASG.
2007-07-10 19:47:51
254.   trainwreck
It is drizzling up here.
2007-07-10 19:48:49
255.   Bob Timmermann
253
Yes, the starting catcher can come back in case of injury.
2007-07-10 19:49:01
256.   Bluebleeder87
You know looking at McCann he also resembles Turtle from the hit series entourage
2007-07-10 19:49:59
257.   capdodger
This had better be "Take me out to the Ball Game."
2007-07-10 19:50:11
258.   Curtis Lowe
With Saito retiring all 3 batters faced does he dominate every batter faced in the 2nd half?
2007-07-10 19:50:19
259.   overkill94
this is riveting television
2007-07-10 19:50:30
260.   trainwreck
Paula Cole? Where has she been the last 10 years? I think she shaved her armpits this time.
2007-07-10 19:50:40
261.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
Can the piano player read her music?
2007-07-10 19:50:49
262.   overkill94
and Paula Cole? Stupid SF hippies.
2007-07-10 19:50:58
263.   Andrew Shimmin
So the Dodgers aren't the only people to be booed at the All Star game.
2007-07-10 19:52:09
264.   Curtis Lowe
I was hoping for Ahslee Simson.
2007-07-10 19:52:55
265.   capdodger
Gruntle, gruntle.
It's not even the best Patrotic Song.
Gruntle, gruntle, gruntle.
2007-07-10 19:53:19
266.   Fallout
Anyone else think that the stadium announcer should have waited for the singer to setup b4 announcing her?
2007-07-10 19:53:55
267.   Bluebleeder87
260,262

Looks like she gained a few but her voice still sounds o.k.

2007-07-10 19:54:56
268.   Fallout
264 Curtis Lowe

I was hoping for her sister.

2007-07-10 19:55:22
269.   The Mootz
Guess Huey Lewis and the News weren't available.
2007-07-10 19:56:18
270.   Bob Timmermann
269
The heart of rock and roll isn't beating I guess.
2007-07-10 19:56:44
271.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
258
http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1492332

"In 2003, Gagne again pitched 82 and a third innings, this time recording 55 saves and 137 strikeouts with a 1.20 ERA. During the entirety of that year, he did not blow any saves, except at the All-Star game to Hank Blalock, which does not count for record-keeping purposes."

2007-07-10 19:56:47
272.   Bluebleeder87
this is gonna sounds like a stupid question but i'm gonna ask it, when was the last time the NL won this thing?
2007-07-10 19:56:51
273.   Fallout
269 The Mootz

How true...

2007-07-10 19:57:51
274.   Bob Timmermann
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NLS/NLS199607090.shtml
2007-07-10 20:01:19
275.   Bluebleeder87
274

that's a long time.

2007-07-10 20:05:35
276.   Andrew Shimmin
McCarver has never heard of Freddy Sanchez. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but still.
2007-07-10 20:07:43
277.   trainwreck
Should have pitched Wagner before Saito.
2007-07-10 20:08:02
278.   Michael D
Looks like 10 straight for the AL. At least a Padre is partially to blame for this.
2007-07-10 20:08:05
279.   capdodger
Welll... At least it's not Dodgers blowing it this year.
2007-07-10 20:08:28
280.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
The AL reserves are better than the NL reserves.
2007-07-10 20:10:35
281.   Icaros
Victor Martinez didn't do anything James Loney can't do.
2007-07-10 20:11:20
282.   trainwreck
I blame the DH, even though there is no DH in this game.
2007-07-10 20:11:49
283.   overkill94
281 Loney did it as a left-handed better though - even more impressive, as you can see what Wagner did to Sizemore
2007-07-10 20:11:52
284.   MMSMikey
that was a slow homerun trot
2007-07-10 20:13:05
285.   Icaros
283

That was my implied message.

2007-07-10 20:13:33
286.   Bluebleeder87
276

isn't it his job to know that stuff? it's like Dr.Jobe not knowing what ligament replacement surgery is.

2007-07-10 20:14:32
287.   overkill94
Dodger pitchers with the only two perfect innings out of the NL pitchers - take that rest of the league!
2007-07-10 20:15:11
288.   trainwreck
Chase Utley's wife looks nice.
2007-07-10 20:16:29
289.   Bluebleeder87
288

i wonder what dance moves Chase Utley knows.

2007-07-10 20:17:00
290.   Gen3Blue
New Rule for the D's besides
1) Only trade expensive old vets.
2) (New) If trading for a hitter, trade to American League.
2007-07-10 20:17:01
291.   overkill94
285 Imply this!

Northwest Airlines seems pretty worthless in letting you change your reservation. All I want to do is take an earlier flight tomorrow, but the web site won't let me, so I call the reservations phone number which tells me that they can't take my call, so I call the web site phone number which has put me on hold for the last 10 minutes.

2007-07-10 20:18:02
292.   Andrew Shimmin
286- It's more like Dr. Jobe not knowing, off the top of his head, how to treat botulism. No sense learning a bunch of stuff that doesn't come up all that often. You'd think he'd want to look anything up before saying something demonstrably false, but I guess that's a kind of cheating. After then thirty minute seminar in how to talk about steroids without saying anything new or interesting, we can be sure he's opposed to kind of cheating.
2007-07-10 20:21:13
293.   trainwreck
There are two things that McCarver did that I liked. One was praise James Loney a lot during the playoffs last year.

The second was being in BASEketball.

2007-07-10 20:22:37
294.   Icaros
Miller Chill?
2007-07-10 20:26:37
295.   dzzrtRatt
Man, the NL is pathetic.
2007-07-10 20:27:24
296.   Bluebleeder87
292

isn't he a national broadcaster & ins't Freddy Sanchez one of the best 2nd baseman in the league? didn't Freddy Sanchez win a batting title?

I'm just saying he should know who Freddy Sanchez is!

2007-07-10 20:29:02
297.   trainwreck
Mr. Sanchez was good for one season and one season only. Ian Snell or Tom Gorzelanny should have been the representative for the Pirates. Actually, both of them deserved to be in the game.
2007-07-10 20:29:08
298.   Gen3Blue
Al pitchers have struck-out eight. NL one.
2007-07-10 20:30:41
299.   dzzrtRatt
Wasn't there a TV show in the 1980s, "Saved By the Putz?"
2007-07-10 20:30:55
300.   Bluebleeder87
297

i'm sure Tim McCarver covers the Pirates once in a while during a season & Freddy Sanchez happens to be one of the Pirates better hitters so IMO he has no excuse for not knowing who Freddy Sanchez is.

ps shame on him!

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2007-07-10 20:33:24
301.   Andrew Shimmin
296- You've convinced me. If he's going to be on the broadcast team, he should have at least a passing familiarity with who all the players are. Alternately, Fox could find somebody who knows who they are, and hire him or her, instead. But that's some real pie in the sky talk.
2007-07-10 20:33:28
302.   overkill94
294 I actually bought some today...it's okay, nothing special
2007-07-10 20:35:41
303.   Andrew Shimmin
297- Snell doesn't do the All Star game.
2007-07-10 20:35:48
304.   Bluebleeder87
hopefully the NL can pull a miracle come back in the 9th.
2007-07-10 20:35:52
305.   Fallout
I really do not like that Miller commercial. Then again, there are a lot of commercials that I don't like.
2007-07-10 20:37:49
306.   Andrew Shimmin
305- I like it too. And not just because Bob doesn't. Doesn't make me want a beer, but there isn't much that would.
2007-07-10 20:37:51
307.   jasonungar07
McCarver just isn't as good without Morgan. And by good I mean totally agitating.
2007-07-10 20:39:29
308.   Bluebleeder87
the Seattle closer must have had a rough child hood with that last name.
2007-07-10 20:40:11
309.   jasonungar07
quote of the year.

"All of this will have to be played by ear," Selig said. "I do have a day job."

2007-07-10 20:41:45
310.   trainwreck
308
I bet he had a better time than Florida State player, De'Cody Fagg.
2007-07-10 20:42:01
311.   Andrew Shimmin
Freddy Sanchez is the 26th VORPiest 2B in baseball this year.
2007-07-10 20:42:32
312.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
Unless Young gets a hit, Pujols will be the only NL position player who doesn't get in the game.
2007-07-10 20:44:30
313.   Bluebleeder87
the elder Young extends the inning for Soriano.
2007-07-10 20:44:34
314.   Icaros
Miller Chill just makes me think of all the crazy gum flavors that have come out now, like Thermonuclear Polar Fallout and Arctic Ice-Nine Disaster Sequence.

Whatever happened to Peppermint?

2007-07-10 20:44:39
315.   Fallout
Tricky hop???
2007-07-10 20:47:15
316.   Robert Fiore
Hard to write about this game when Jon doesn't want you using words like "P__z" on his website.
2007-07-10 20:47:20
317.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
woohoo
2007-07-10 20:47:25
318.   capdodger
Rally Killer by Soriano.
2007-07-10 20:47:25
319.   Bob Timmermann
All together now ...

"Rally killing home run!"

2007-07-10 20:47:51
320.   Bluebleeder87
whoa, Soriano makes the game some what interesting for the NL with that bomb.
2007-07-10 20:48:49
321.   capdodger
318 319 I beat Bob!!!
2007-07-10 20:49:15
322.   Bob Timmermann
321
Rally-killing gloat.
2007-07-10 20:49:15
323.   Bob Timmermann
321
Rally-killing gloat.
2007-07-10 20:49:17
324.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
I'd have pinch hit pujols for hardy. who cares about extras? wouldn't the game just be declared a tie by the commish?
2007-07-10 20:50:36
325.   Bob Timmermann
That was the most fun since I watched a rerun of "The Governor and J.J."
2007-07-10 20:51:03
326.   Fallout
Ka-Putz.
2007-07-10 20:51:13
327.   Andrew Shimmin
Time for Pujols.
2007-07-10 20:51:27
328.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
Gotta have K-Rod face Albert now.
2007-07-10 20:51:40
329.   capdodger
322 323 Followed by the rare rally-killing double.
2007-07-10 20:52:37
330.   Bob Timmermann
If La Russa pinch hit Pujols for Lee, the city of Chicago would lynch La Russa.

Besides if the game goes to extra innings, you're going to need a pinch hitter.

2007-07-10 20:52:46
331.   Bluebleeder87
"these games count" now A.D.E.I.P. who ever wins gets WS home game privileges
2007-07-10 20:53:10
332.   Icaros
Bob can just make his double-posts go away if he wants.

I've seen it.

2007-07-10 20:53:13
333.   Andrew Shimmin
Isn't it a bit gauche to be so cheery in a commercial while taking about the tidal wave that killed one's boyfriend?
2007-07-10 20:53:22
334.   Bob Timmermann
The double post is the cat's fault.
2007-07-10 20:55:44
335.   Andrew Shimmin
Maybe you can get a cat-sized life jacket from Eric Byrnes. Just as a warning.
2007-07-10 20:55:46
336.   Bluebleeder87
sometimes i think K-Rods arms is gonna fly off when all the herky jerky he does.
2007-07-10 20:56:57
337.   trainwreck
Orlando Hudson is not the guy I would pick to be in this situation.
2007-07-10 20:57:01
338.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
sticking with hudson?
2007-07-10 20:57:06
339.   capdodger
333 Eh... I think she gets a pass because of the life-altering-event card.
2007-07-10 20:57:08
340.   Andrew Shimmin
So, is he worried about the Phoenicians now? C'mon LaRussa.
2007-07-10 20:58:06
341.   Who Is Karim Garcia
unnecessary Drama?
2007-07-10 20:58:07
342.   Bob Timmermann
340
The Phoenicians could repossess the alphabet if they wanted to.
2007-07-10 20:58:09
343.   Andrew Shimmin
You gotta wear that O-Dawg. I want to see Pujols.
2007-07-10 20:59:01
344.   Bluebleeder87
oh man! this is pretty crazy.
2007-07-10 20:59:11
345.   Icaros
343

You mean Rowand?

2007-07-10 20:59:17
346.   Who Is Karim Garcia
K Rod is imploding... I LOVE IT.
2007-07-10 20:59:17
347.   Bob Timmermann
J.J. Putz looks like his dog died.
2007-07-10 20:59:28
348.   Andrew Shimmin
Impeach LaRussa!
2007-07-10 20:59:29
349.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
rowand? come on la russa!!!!
2007-07-10 20:59:42
350.   Bob Timmermann
This is a das411 moment.
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2007-07-10 20:59:59
351.   Fallout
A Bill James rally.
2007-07-10 21:00:50
352.   Bluebleeder87
meh! Rowand.
2007-07-10 21:00:56
353.   dzzrtRatt
Man, the NL is pathetic.
2007-07-10 21:00:58
354.   capdodger
Poor managing.
2007-07-10 21:00:59
355.   trainwreck
Weak.
2007-07-10 21:01:09
356.   Andrew Shimmin
This is what happens, LaRussa. This is what happens when you find a stranger in the alps. Do you see what happens?
2007-07-10 21:01:16
357.   Who Is Karim Garcia
The comeback was just Rowand.
2007-07-10 21:01:18
358.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
la russa -- managerial brain freeze.
2007-07-10 21:02:53
359.   Bluebleeder87
what in the world was Tony LaRussa thinking? we needed Pujols in there to break the 10 year drought.
2007-07-10 21:04:29
360.   Bob Timmermann
Why is the National League "we"?
2007-07-10 21:04:40
361.   Dave G
"This time it counts" rings pretty hollow when the manager doesn't pinch-hit Albert Pujols for either Orlando Hudson or Aaron Rowand with the winning runs on base, and then in SP. I hope the media gives him a well-deserved grilling because it certainly was not the actions of a manager using his best players to win a game.
2007-07-10 21:05:02
362.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
LaRusa was saving Pujols for the Cards game vs. Phillies on Friday? He was afraid of the reaction of Phillies fans if he pinch hit for Rowand?
2007-07-10 21:06:32
363.   capdodger
Ichiro looks sharp. If not for this, he probably would have left sometime ago.
2007-07-10 21:06:45
364.   Bluebleeder87
there's something wrong when multi-millionaires get free cars, i wonder if the players donate them to charity.
2007-07-10 21:07:15
365.   Andrew Shimmin
Jeanne Zelasko: drunk or the drunkest ever?
2007-07-10 21:07:23
366.   dzzrtRatt
360 It can't be explained. I've been an NL man since I first got into major league baseball.
2007-07-10 21:08:18
367.   Bluebleeder87
360

i consider my self a NL guy, down with the DH!

2007-07-10 21:10:19
368.   Fallout
We won. I've rooted for the AL since I was a kid.
2007-07-10 21:10:45
369.   dzzrtRatt
For me, it preceded the DH. The DH was the kind of thing the AL was always capable of, but the NL would never do. Somehow I knew.

It used to be a point of shame that the NL had more artificial turf parks, but that's changed now.

2007-07-10 21:13:02
370.   Bluebleeder87
369

It's pretty simple for me i'm a Dodger fan & the Dodgers play in the NL there for i'm a NL dude.

2007-07-10 21:13:25
371.   blue22
369 - New point of shame: total ineptness in all things head-to-head with the AL.

What a waste of big time drama by going with Hudson over Pujols. Boo, LaRussa, BOO!

2007-07-10 21:13:32
372.   capdodger
360 Every year during the All-Star Break, I issue a Fatwah against the Designated Hitter to anybody within shouting distance.

Recently, I've started spending more time at home during the ASB.

2007-07-10 21:13:41
373.   bryanf
Man, at least there was about four hours of great material for FJM. I can't wait to read it tomorrow. :)
2007-07-10 21:13:47
374.   Icaros
369

Do you refuse to recognize any umpires who were once solely employed by the AL?

2007-07-10 21:14:16
375.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
370

Of course. How can any self-respecting Dodger fan root for the AL in the ASG?

2007-07-10 21:14:42
376.   bryanf
365 I'd love to see her and Paula Abdul switch jobs.
2007-07-10 21:14:56
377.   Bob Timmermann
In my lifetime, the All-Star Game winners have gone:
NNNNNANNNNNNNNNNNANNANAAAAAANNNAAAAATAAAAA

It's been streaky.

2007-07-10 21:15:48
378.   Icaros
But if the NL had the DH, we'd get to see Matthew Ryan Kemp play everyday.
2007-07-10 21:18:10
379.   capdodger
378 The DH is an abomination unto the Baseball Gods!!!
2007-07-10 21:20:05
380.   Icaros
379

I only believe in one Baseball God.

His name is Russell.

2007-07-10 21:20:25
381.   the OZ
I don't have cable at my new apartment yet, so I missed the game and all the accompanying beer commercials. All this talk of Miller ads got me looking on YouTube to see what the fuss is about. I'm not impressed. THIS, however, is awesome; the way beer commercials once were, and could be again:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Gqs7Sy9h81w

2007-07-10 21:20:27
382.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
Leyland complaining about having to manage without the DH. Says managing without the DH makes him work too hard.
2007-07-10 21:21:15
383.   capdodger
379 Infidel.
2007-07-10 21:29:44
384.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
Anybody see LaRussa's press conference? I must have missed it.
2007-07-10 21:32:36
385.   natepurcell
I cant believe the Lakers basically gave Fisher the full MLE. Unbelievable... I wanted Darko!
2007-07-10 21:37:58
386.   blue22
385 - Hmm...this is the Lakers answer to Kobe's demand for a trade or legitimate help? Yikes. If true, what an awful, awful move.
2007-07-10 21:40:39
387.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
http://www.clipsnation.com/story/2007/7/10/20724/4535

Sees Fisher to Lakers as setting up Mo Williams to the Heat (for the MLE!) and Steve Francis to the Clippers.

2007-07-10 21:43:01
388.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
Same site reports that Papaloukas returns to CSKA Moscow - "tax free salary, an apartment, a car, a driver and multiple other perks apparently being significantly more lucrative in total than the NBA mid-level exception."
2007-07-10 21:46:24
389.   blue22
I kinda figured Francis would go to the Clips. His man-friend Mobley is there, plus they need a PG pretty desperately. He's a pretty good risk for the veteran's minimum.

The Lakers, wow. What a horrible move. Fisher is a wonderful human being, but he's not really capable of big time minutes anymore.

Looks like just more of the same in Laker-land. Kobe might just kill someone this year. I'd watch your back, Kwame.

2007-07-10 21:49:13
390.   the OZ
Hmm, so this next season is finally the one where Kupchak gets fired. Sweet.
2007-07-10 21:49:26
391.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
Time to count sheep -- got to get ready to see Phillies reach 10K losses on Friday against a well-rested Albert Pujols.
2007-07-10 21:54:01
392.   Bob Timmermann
Albert Pujols was not too happy over his own manager's personnel decisions:
http://tinyurl.com/23afyr
2007-07-10 21:57:49
393.   blue22
392 - Which pitchers were left over for the NL, Bob?
2007-07-10 22:05:52
394.   underdog
Just got back from watching the game at a bar not all that far from PhoneCo Park, with a friend and his softball buddies. Just so y'all know, except for my friend (a yanks fan) and another guy (a Red Sox fan) most of the rest of the crowd were Giants fans (with delusions of, what, making the world series this year?) and no one there booed Russell Martin. In fact a couple of Giants fans confided to me that they secretly like Russell Martin, I guess like I secretly like Eric Byrnes (although he's on a less hated team). They also cheered when Saito set the AL down in order. So not everyone's a dork who boos Russell Martin, though that was pretty classless.

I was certainly not rooting for Bonds' one long shot to get out of the park, but I didn't openly root for it.

And, yeah, what was up for batting Rowand instead of Pujols? Even Rowand himself expressed surprised he was in the AS game. Give us one last shot at drama, LaRussa, c'mon! Sheesh. But at least the NL made it somewhat exciting at the end.

2007-07-10 22:08:03
395.   blue22
393 - Looks like they still had Webb and Oswalt to pitch extras. Dang, LaRussa certainly could've been more creative and got Pujols into the game.
2007-07-10 22:08:14
396.   underdog
Er, "didn't openly root against it" that should read.

Oh, also, I was glad when the bar got louder and I could no longer here Joe Buck blathering.

Did anyone catch the guy at PhoneCo yesterday who held up an anti-Joe Buck sign? It was something like "Joe Buck sucks" or "Fire Joe Buck" or something, and then they quickly cut away. This was on ESPN. I'm sure they didn't let him back in tonight, but I thought that was pretty amusing.

2007-07-10 22:08:42
397.   Bob Timmermann
The NL had Oswalt, Webb, and Valverde left to pitch. Oswalt pitched Sunday so he likely wouldn't have worked.

The AL had Jenks, Lackey, Meche, and Okajima.

Michael Young didn't play for the AL.

2007-07-10 22:10:12
398.   Andrew Shimmin
392- Perfect. I only wish somebody had asked the Grand Dame of American Baseball if it was okay for the plebes, too, or if only Pujols was entitled to be upset. By his refusing to put in the best player in the league. In the bottom of the ninth. With the winning run on second.

Tony La Russa is now dead to me. I've made the necessary update to the official list.

2007-07-10 22:15:50
399.   FirstMohican
The Cook contract was more egregious than giving Fisher the MLE. Kupchak aint goin nowhere.
2007-07-10 22:20:50
400.   underdog
Quote from Pujols on ESPN just now made it sound pretty clear he wasn't happy about not being used tonight. I mean the game wasn't only lost there in that at bat, but once you had the opportunity there to put him in, it's a no brainer. Unless you are... brainless.

Ah well. I wonder if Russ, Saito and Penny are gonna hang out here the rest of the week? Maybe we can all get together for brunch.

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2007-07-10 22:21:37
401.   blue22
This was the lineup in the 9th with 2 out:

Hardy - ss
Lee - 1B
Hudson - 2b
Rowand - CF
Sanchez - 3B
Holliday - RF
McCann - C
D Young - PH
Soriano - LF

Pujols hits for Rowand and if the game goes extras, Webb goes in at Hudson's spot. Players go out to their positions here:

Hardy - ss
Lee - 1B
Webb - P
Pujols - 3B
Sanchez - 2B
Holliday - RF
McCann - C
D Young - LF
Soriano - CF

Bingo, bango, bongo. Webb doesn't hit for 2-3 more innings. Managing is easy.

2007-07-10 22:42:01
402.   FirstMohican
LaRussa's not going to the Series and he was probably tired. It really could be that simple =)
2007-07-10 23:08:12
403.   natepurcell
this was an amusing question from a recent BP chat..

Amos (New York): If the Yankees really wanted to get younger, couldn't they let A-Rod, Posada, Rivera, Abreu, and Minky all walk, use a fraction of the money to steal Logan White from the Dodgers, then have something like ten of the first 100 picks in next year's draft?

2007-07-10 23:15:06
404.   natepurcell
Bob or anyone, what can you guys tell me about Kosuke Fukudome.
2007-07-10 23:56:01
405.   das411
350 - Bob, I think you were thinking of the second half of 362!

And 401, what happens when Webb becomes the new Vicente Padilla after, oh, the 12th or 13th inning?

2007-07-11 02:01:18
406.   trainwreck
I really hate the front office of the Lakers.
2007-07-11 04:52:46
407.   D4P
Freddy Sanchez is the 26th VORPiest 2B in baseball this year

McCarver makes a point to only focus on the top 25 VORPiest players at each position. It all makes sense now.

2007-07-11 05:14:35
408.   D4P
The thing the Lakers have been lacking lately is a short point guard who doesn't shoot very well.
2007-07-11 07:08:45
409.   JoeyP
Can the Lakers bring back Rick Fox too?

Speaking of the old band---Has anyone seen Shaq's new show on ABC? Its about kids trying lose weight.

Its actually quite entertaining, although Shaq doesnt make much more than a cameo appearance in each episode.

I'll never understand Laker fans hating Shaq. It was obvious he was right about the front office not knowing what they were doing. He got out at the perfect time, got another ring, and the Lakers are still recovering from that massive screwup.

2007-07-11 07:27:49
410.   JoeyP
Watching the Lakers play defense when Walton/Fisher/Cook are on the floor at the same time should be a sight to see.

With Seattle/Portland getting alot better, and the Lakers not---

Here's to OJ Mayo in the 2008 draft!

2007-07-11 08:50:31
411.   kngoworld
Jon's Fungoes piece is up. Great read!
2007-07-11 08:57:58
412.   Hallux Valgus
hahaha! man am I glad I'm not a Laker fan

Kobe: Get me some help or get me out of here.
Kupchak: How about a point guard who's a year out of high school, a Derek Fisher rerun, and some Chinese guy?
Kobe: Is it Yao?
Kupchak: Not Yao, but scouts say he's better than Mengke Bateer. He had 9 assists against the Knicks' summer league team.
Kobe: I hate you Mitch.

2007-07-11 09:01:41
413.   D4P
The Lakers should trade Kobe and be done with it. Time to move on. Time to get goin'. What lies ahead? I have no way of knowin'.
2007-07-11 09:04:28
414.   underdog
Well, I wouldn't expect the Lakers to have gotten quickly rich in the draft, given their lousy draft position. They have 3 guys who could help them in the future, but since they need help now it's of small consolation. Meanwhile, I like Derek Fisher as a guy, and he can help their bench, but, yeah, a MLE on him? I appreciate they're trying to do him a favor and all, but what about, y'know, Lakers' fans? Do they have room to sign anyone else? They really only have 3 tradeable players, and probably wouldn't get enough value for any of them. Sigh. Yeah, lottery here we come!
2007-07-11 09:06:50
415.   underdog
Never mind the Lakers - it's free Slurpee day at all 7-11s today! Coke Slurpees for breakfast, anyone?
2007-07-11 09:08:16
416.   kngoworld
MLE?
2007-07-11 09:08:29
417.   Hallux Valgus
my favorite part is that Crittenden and Sun are both point guards, and Farmar was the pick last year. And Walton's best skill is his passing. Same with Odom, for that matter. I guess the selling point to Kobe's going to be, "But you literally get to shoot every single time down the floor."
2007-07-11 09:14:08
418.   D4P
It seems to me that there is virtually no creativity in the Laker roster decisions. Other teams (e.g. Detroit, Phoenix, Dallas, San Antonio) seem to consistently find diamond in the rough athletes who come out of nowhere to be very good players, especially on defense.

Why don't the Lakers find these players?

2007-07-11 09:14:56
419.   Kevin Lewis
Thoughts on last night:

Russ, Brad, and Saito looked great. Gotta be happy about that.

I wish Ichiro would come to LA, man he is fun to watch.

The commentary was awful. It was either talk of steroids or cutting to interviews on the side. I want to watch the game!!!

I realize everyone is an all-star in this game, but I would have loved to see Pujols' look of determination with the bases loaded. However, it was bad form for him to say something publicly about it. I get the feeling LaRussa might be moving on after this year.

2007-07-11 09:16:37
420.   Jon Weisman
New post up top.

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