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Those Arms Were Made for Bunting
2007-07-12 10:57
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

While reading this Baseball Prospectus article on great bunters (Willy Taveras of Colorado is currently putting Juan Pierre to shame), I came upon this unexpected tidbit - the greatest bunter in Los Angeles Dodger history might be none other than Steve Garvey, with 62 bunt hits in 75 career attempts.

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2007-07-12 11:10:05
1.   El Lay Dave
Have to increase the odds of getting 200 hits a season.
2007-07-12 11:12:20
2.   Bob Timmermann
Garvey was very alert to third basemen playing deep on him.

His bunt hits were preferable to him chasing sliders in the dirt.

2007-07-12 11:13:35
3.   Robert Daeley
(From the last post)

168 "...kinda cheesy, like miniature golf."

"He's having a go at the miniature golfers now!" (apologies to Life of Brian)

161 There's been talk for a while of changing to the international hockey dimensions (which would open up the game), but the retrofitting has been deemed too expensive.

Re the Polo Grounds, there was an edition of the MVP baseball video game with the Polo Grounds as a playable stadium (they never have Ebbets for some reason), and while I'm sure it wasn't entirely accurate, the gigantor outfield juxtaposed with the short left and right porches was amazing. That and the foul area that seemed bigger than the infield.

I wouldn't be surprised if more fans got home run balls than foul balls. ;)

2007-07-12 11:13:41
4.   El Lay Dave
Of course no 3B would play Garvey up on the grass, so he should be successful a high percentage of the time if he can lay down bunts. And at a time when 30 HRs a season was a pretty impressive total, maybe it made some sense to do so, in some situations.
2007-07-12 11:22:36
5.   Bob Timmermann
3
When Bobby Thomson hit The Shot Heard Round the World in 1951, I believe it was either the first or possibly second home run hit into the LF lower deck at the Polo Grounds that year. The way the stadium was configured nearly every homer hit to left went into the upper deck.

Thomson hit a sharp liner that was just high enough to get over the fence.

2007-07-12 11:24:34
6.   Daniel Zappala
3 I might actually watch hockey again if it went to international standard rinks and rules, so that the game opened up more.
2007-07-12 11:27:55
7.   ToyCannon
Ha, I was just going to post the data.

Note that Pierre has the worse bunt success rate of the leaders. Historically his bunt % is well over 40% but is currently 28%. Of the top 10 only Pierre and Crisp are below 40% so it is reasonable to expect him to increase his successful bunt% as the season progresses.
2007-07-12 11:28:24
8.   Suffering Bruin
It was de rigueur in the seventies to talk about what a well-rounded player Garvey was: best hit and run guy in the game, best bunter on the team, if not the division... best defensive infielder, RBI man, hits for power and average... it was not uncommon to hear Garvey spoken of as the best player in baseball. And, of course, he was the good guy.

No player has suffered more post-career damage from sabermetrics than Garvey. That may or may not be true but I like saying it because it reminds me of my childhood where baseball was a frequent topic on the school playgrounds and we just knew that Garvey was the best because of the all the things he could do.

2007-07-12 11:28:31
9.   Eric Enders
I'm glad to have some statistical evidence to show people when I argue that Juan Pierre is the worst bunting position player I've ever seen. What's weird is that he's been successful in previous years; he's just apparently been in a yearlong bunting slump in 2007. (As well as a yearlong hitting slump, a yearlong fielding slump, etc.)
2007-07-12 11:29:23
10.   Nagman
Juan Pierre does not appear to know how to drag bunt. He sort of dragged one the other day, the first time I've seen him bunt towards first base, but it wasn't in the classic manner and it seemed more by accident.
2007-07-12 11:31:21
11.   Bob Timmermann
The drag bunt died when Vic Davalillo retired.
2007-07-12 11:32:59
12.   Jon Weisman
11 - And then Don McLean immortalized the moment in song.
2007-07-12 11:38:26
13.   ToyCannon
8
http://thesoulofbaseball.blogspot.com/search?q=garvey
2007-07-12 11:39:38
14.   ToyCannon
If only Juan was really Bret Butler without the hypocrisy.
2007-07-12 11:41:44
15.   Eric Enders
14 Heck, if he played like Butler I wouldn't even mind the hypocrisy.

Although I do have to say, based purely on observation with no evidence whatsoever to back it up, that Butler was the worst baserunner I have ever seen in major league baseball.

2007-07-12 11:42:51
16.   ToyCannon
Piazza?
2007-07-12 11:44:12
17.   Jon Weisman
13 - If Joe worked in Los Angeles, Dodger Thoughts probably wouldn't exist.
2007-07-12 11:45:47
18.   Jon Weisman
I think tonight's the night Ken Levine does a Mariners broadcast. Will there be school in Borneo?
2007-07-12 11:46:22
19.   El Lay Dave
Because so many like to compare these two players:

Career:
Name Bunts Hits Pct.
Kenny Lofton 297 175 .589
Juan Pierre 335 140 .418

2007-07-12 11:46:48
20.   Bob Timmermann
I had always thought Davalillo's famous drag bunt in the 1977 NLCS was with two strikes and two outs, but the news accounts of the game say Davalillo was just down 0-1 and bunted because he saw Ted Sizemore and Richie Hebner playing deep.

Mota's double came on an 0-2 pitch.

2007-07-12 11:47:44
21.   Bob Timmermann
I think Game 3 of the 1977 NLCS may be my favorite Dodger game of all time.
2007-07-12 11:48:16
22.   El Lay Dave
BTW: This article is normally only available to those with a Baseball Prospectus Premium subscription. From July 9 to 15, however, everyone can access the great baseball content and stats that subscribers get year-round.

I suppose that it's no coincidence that this includes the All-Star break.

2007-07-12 11:48:55
23.   El Lay Dave
Note to Bob: I think BP spelled "Taveras" correctly every time. Both for Willy and Frank.
2007-07-12 11:50:21
24.   Bob Timmermann
23
I spelled the Colorado center fielder's name correctly earlier this week. I'm not pressing my luck.
2007-07-12 11:54:49
25.   D4P
I'm not pressing my luck

Bob's afraid of Whammies.

2007-07-12 12:04:05
26.   Robert Daeley
Good info here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polo_Grounds

http://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/past/PoloGrounds.htm

There were several Polo Groundses.

2007-07-12 12:08:10
27.   El Lay Dave
21 According to one guy, that's the worst loss in Phillies history. Seems arguable, but not worth the time to argue.

http://tinyurl.com/2cchye

2007-07-12 12:09:15
28.   Bob Timmermann
26
There were five of them.

Combined the Polo Grounds are considered the alltime leader in inside-the-park home runs, I found out today. There were 390 documented inside the park home runs hit there.

You have to wonder about a stadium where the bullpens were in FAIR territory.

2007-07-12 12:16:08
29.   ToyCannon
At times the CF dimensions were over 500 feet. I don't think I'd find that enchanting.

Kenny Lofton has 6 home runs this year.

20
I agree, my memory tells me I listened it to on a radio while in a college class. I doubt I would have as fond a memory if Rick Monday was doing the call.

2007-07-12 12:18:03
30.   twerp
14. "If only Juan was really Bret Butler without the hypocrisy."

As a South American friend of mine used to say, "please explain me more." ...?

2007-07-12 12:18:32
31.   Eric Enders
28 What if you combined the three Busch Stadiums?
2007-07-12 12:18:48
32.   ToyCannon
17
The toaster should recruit him. I wonder if D4P would still hate everything after he read the book.
2007-07-12 12:20:11
33.   Bob Timmermann
29
If Rick Monday were doing the call back in 1977,
"Mota hits a long drive.Luzinskigoesback........OFF HIS GLOVE!!.....Throw to second....SKIPSAWAY...Dava-uh-lillo scores.... Mota goes to third.... WHAT DRAMA!!!"

"You know what you get when you throw a fat 0-2 pitch to a player like Manny Mota? You get a screaming double to left?"

"The first pitch to Lopes was a ball. The second is a strike ..."

2007-07-12 12:21:25
34.   Eric Enders
30 Butler, who drew much attention for his "Christianity," went out of his way to act like a complete jerk toward Mike Busch, and also made some racist comments about Raul Mondesi.
2007-07-12 12:22:00
35.   Bob Timmermann
31
Do you want try to argue with David Vincent?

I bet you have before.

2007-07-12 12:23:08
36.   overkill94
Let's all cross our fingers that Pierre puts up a 2nd half like he did last year: .311/.340/.418 with 28 SB's (probably more with the way he's been given the green light this year).

If he puts up a .750+ OPS again in the 2nd half this year I think it'll have a pretty significant impact on our offense as a whole. Maybe Ned will even wise up and trade him in the offseason while his perceived value is higher than it is now.

2007-07-12 12:29:12
37.   JoeyP
I believe that Hank Aaron's classless absence from the Barry Bonds home run race will have the opposite effect of Aaron's intentions: That is, it'll make Bonds a more sympathetic figure.

Aaron really should get with the program and quit acting like a spoiled child. Records are meant to be broken. The Maris family followed McGwire around for 61, even though he was a likely roid user as well (we know for sure he was a big Andro user).

The generational envy, jealousy, etc...that resides amongst differing baseball generations is really sad. You really dont see it quite so much in other sports.

The closest thing I can equate Aaron's absence to---was the utterly moronic and classless comments made by Red Auerbach when Phil was closing in on his record.

2007-07-12 12:31:12
38.   Penarol1916
34. Who's Mike Busch and why did Brett Butler act like a complete jerk to him?
2007-07-12 12:31:31
39.   JoeyP
Butler, who drew much attention for his "Christianity," went out of his way to act like a complete jerk toward Mike Busch, and also made some racist comments about Raul Mondesi.

What does Butler faith's have to do with Mike Busch, unless your claiming that all Christians claim to be perfect? I dont know of any that do. Certainly, not Brett Butler.

What were the racist comments about Raul Mondesi?

2007-07-12 12:31:40
40.   GobiasIndustries
37
Please refresh my memory as to what it was that Red said. I can't remember.
2007-07-12 12:31:51
41.   D4P
37
To be fair, Babe Ruth didn't participate in Hank's home run race...
2007-07-12 12:32:26
42.   DXMachina
I saw my first ever ML baseball game in the Polo Grounds, Mets vs Cardinals in 1962. Stan Musial and Gil Hodges played. I remember being fascinated by the guy watching the game from inside the manual scoreboard behind third base. And the "h" and "e" on Rheingold sign in center field would light up depending on whether a play was a hit or an error. Lindsay Nelson would say "And the e lights up on the Rheingold sign," an awful lot on the broadcasts those first two seasons.
2007-07-12 12:33:47
43.   ssjames
37 That is without a doubt the first time that I have seen Aaron called classless in this regard. Frankly, I respect him even more than I already did. If I was 73 years old, I wouldn't want to spend a couple weeks of my life following someone around the country to watch them one up me, when all evidence shows that person engaged in serious cheating to beat me. He hasn't even said anything mean, he just doesn't want to spend weeks on the road in his 70s, I respect that.
2007-07-12 12:34:01
44.   JoeyP
38--I think Butler supposedly shut him out of team functions bc Busch was a scab/replacement player in 94'.

I still dont understand the mocking of Brett Butler's religious beliefs due to one incident, likely of which the commenter has no up close/personal knowledge of--just media reports.

2007-07-12 12:34:36
45.   JoeyP
37--True, but Ruth was in a pine box.
2007-07-12 12:35:03
46.   Penarol1916
37. I don't think anyone really much cares either way. Also, I doubt Red's reputation was even remotely affected by anything he said about Phil Jackson, and most people have probably forgotten about it anyway.

If you don't begrudge Barry the record, why begrudge Aaron's reaction to it?

2007-07-12 12:36:50
47.   Robert Daeley
37 What program exactly should Aaron get with? Barry Bonds' program? ESPN's? So now that Barry is approaching the record and wants everybody to like him, we should forget the years of his acting like a spoiled child?

I don't care how much of a spin ESPN is putting on Barry's approach -- he doesn't get to be the put-upon good guy now just because he's listening to his PR team for once.

2007-07-12 12:36:56
48.   JoeyP
43--I think its ridiculous that Bud Selig isnt there as well, for what its worth.
2007-07-12 12:38:29
49.   GobiasIndustries
44
I heard that Brett Butler was really into Satan and that he actually traveled on the Hell Freezes Over tour just to play guest rhythm guitar on Hotel California.
2007-07-12 12:39:53
50.   ssjames
48 Bud Selig probably should be there, but I think it something else entirely to expect Aaron to spend his time chasing Bonds around the country. It could take 2 or 3 weeks for Bonds to hit the tying and go ahead homer, should Aaron just keep following him and following him?
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2007-07-12 12:41:34
51.   Eric Enders
Part of the Butler-Busch story cane be found here.
http://archive.southcoasttoday.com/daily/09-95/09-06-95/0906sportscol.HTML

Butler's comments about Mondesi were made on ESPN, and while I don't remember the exact wording, it was something about how white guys like him had to work for everything they got while Latin and black players had it all come naturally to them. The word "monkey" was used.

39 I'm not the one who used the term hypocrisy to describe Butler. However, it should be obvious how the term applies to someone who sanctimoniously professes to believe in the Golden Rule while not actually practicing it.

2007-07-12 12:42:17
52.   Eric Stephen
37 C'mon, man. Is Hank Aaron really acting like a spoiled child by not attending a potential 756th HR? Hasn't he been relatively silent on the subject, and only commented when asked?

Aaron went through a lot of BS during his record chase, including all the awful racist hate mail and death threats. For him, #715 was not just the HR record that he accomplished, but rather a monkey off his back since the chase was finally over.

Aaron seems like a relatively private person, and I'm guessing he just doesn't want to open old wounds by thinking back to what was probably one of the least enjoyable moments of his life.

Also, about 85% or more of the questions Aaron would be asked are steroid and PED-related questions about Bonds and the record. Maybe he just doesn't want to deal with that, either.

2007-07-12 12:42:23
53.   DXMachina
47 I was gonna say. Hank Aaron has more class in his little toe than Barry Bonds has ever had.
2007-07-12 12:43:21
54.   Jon Weisman
37 - Bonds has even excused Aaron from following the chase. His absence will not affect sympathy toward Bonds.

People have already formed their opinions on Bonds - it's unlikely they're going to change much between now and 756.

2007-07-12 12:45:07
55.   JoeyP
No not at all, but I think he should be there when Bonds hits 755 and 756.
2007-07-12 12:47:22
56.   ssjames
55 Yes, but what if that takes a couple weeks?
2007-07-12 12:47:35
57.   Eric Enders
54 "Bonds has even excused Aaron from following the chase."

Then again, he also made comments the other night about how he would attend when A-Rod broke his record, because ballplayers are a fraternity and they have to stick together and support each other. I took that as an unsubtle dig at Aaron.

FWIW, my opinion about Aaron wouldn't change whether he attended the game or not. I don't think a 73-year-old man should be obligated to give up his own life to travel from city to city for days or even weeks, for a silly ceremony that will last 10 minuites anyway. I don't think class has anything to do with it.

2007-07-12 12:47:43
58.   D4P
I think he should be there when Bonds hits 755 and 756

For one thing, this isn't as simple as it sounds. What if Bonds gets stuck on 754 for 20 games or so? Is it really reasonable to expect Aaron to travel the country following Bonds around waiting for him to hit the HRs?

2007-07-12 12:50:04
59.   imperabo
Hypocrisy is the worst trait a human being can possess. It's ok to behave in any abhorent way you wish, as long as you're consistent. The safest bet is not to have any priciples or values whatsoever, and not take a stand against anything. No one can blame you for anything if you don't stand for anything. I really should be saying this in French.
2007-07-12 12:50:34
60.   Hythloday
58 - Actually if he did this and kept yelling Noonan at Bonds I might enjoy that.
2007-07-12 12:50:42
61.   Icaros
How about if Aaron signs up for MLB Extra Innings and promises to watch all Giants games until Fathead breaks the record?

Fair compromise?

2007-07-12 12:52:00
62.   Icaros
Maybe "Easter Island Head" would've been a better choice.
2007-07-12 12:53:48
63.   GobiasIndustries
62
I would've also accepted Galapagos Island Head.
2007-07-12 12:55:15
64.   Penarol1916
51. Sounds more like run of the mill jerkiness to me. Maybe he really believes in Unions, which is not necessarily a terrible thing, and scabs are just the opposite of everything he believes in. I think people were just put off by his sanctimoniousness and looking for something more concrete to attack him on. It's not like he blasting gay marriage while hanging out with male hookers or anything.
2007-07-12 12:59:08
65.   Eric Stephen
60 Only at the end of the chase, after Bonds has gone through a horrendous slump while "sitting on 755", Aaron turns to Bonds and says "Noonan, you can do it."

Bonds then hits a ball to CF and Mike Cameron falls down. The ball hits the top of the CF wall, bounces straight up, then lands on the top of the wall, where it stays for about 10-12 seconds. Umpire Fieldin Culbreth stands near the wall waiting with his hands on his knees to see what the ball might do.

After a pause, the ball goes over the wall for #756. Culbreth signals HR, the crowd rejoices, and bats shoot straight up into the air from Pedro Feliz's bat bag.

2007-07-12 13:00:30
66.   underdog
Check it out:
http://inside-edge.com/teams/dodgers/index.htm

Halfway point scouting reports on all Dodgers.
Seems like a fairly accurate scouting report to me.

Someone on the ItD comments did a nice job of summarizing them...

2007-07-12 13:00:32
67.   Bob Timmermann
62
You rang?

http://tinyurl.com/33ptxu

2007-07-12 13:01:43
68.   Louis in SF
The point about pierre's lack of bunts is more suprising than I thought. Only wish he could spend some time with Maury Wills who was a great bunter. I don't know where to look it up, but it was a well known fact that Willie Davis was far faster than Wills but Wills always had more bunt hits. Pierre should also learn how to do a Baltimore chop, with his speed he should definitely have more infield and bunt hits.
2007-07-12 13:03:02
69.   Bob Timmermann
The Baltimore Chop was retired when Wee Willie Keeler retired.
2007-07-12 13:03:22
70.   Icaros
67

I thought you'd link to the picture of you towering over the head by about three feet.

2007-07-12 13:04:38
71.   Eric Stephen
62 That always reminds me of "The Critic."
2007-07-12 13:05:29
72.   ToyCannon
59
I get your point and since I used the term I'll just amend it to say I wasn't thrilled with the behavior that Butler exhibited toward Busch given how outspoken Butler was about his Christianity.
2007-07-12 13:06:52
73.   Jon Weisman
68 - For virtually my entire Dodger-fan life, I've heard about Wills spending time with ballplayers in Spring Training. I'm not convinced it has any effect.

It was written multiple times that Pierre and Wills got together this past spring.

2007-07-12 13:08:20
74.   Eric Stephen
I have no strong feelings one way or the other regarding unions and/or replacement players, but I really enjoy the nickname "Scab" for some reason.
2007-07-12 13:09:57
75.   JoeyP
I don't think a 73-year-old man should be obligated to give up his own life to travel from city to city for days or even weeks

Well, methinks MLB would take care of Mr. Aaron's every need would he have elected to follow the chase. While traveling can be tiring, traveling in luxury is considerably less so.

How much travelling did Ronald Reagan do when he was 73?

2007-07-12 13:11:29
76.   Telemachos
68 Forget Wills, I just wish Pierre could take some pointers from Furcal, who has a nicely varied arsenal of bunts.

On an entirely unrelated note, Jon, you'll be happy to hear that DT renders beautifully on an iPhone. :)

2007-07-12 13:11:33
77.   Bob Timmermann
Back in 1995, I was Mr. Union and I was all for booing Mike Busch. And I was making a principled stand at Dodger Stadium. In the seats in front of me were three USC frat guys coming to the game with their girlfriends. They all cheered Mike Busch.

I decided to maintain my booing.

The frat guys turned around and would likely have administered their own brand of labor organization to my face if:
1) they hadn't brought dates to the game with them
2) there was an old guy sitting next to me who also booing

I don't do such stupid things now.

2007-07-12 13:12:41
78.   ToyCannon
68
Using the article that Jon referenced you will find that Juan Pierre has led the league in bunt hits 4 times while Wills led the league only once. Of course when Wills led the league he did so with a much higher success rate then JP. The cool part of the table is that it was his son Bump who had the 15th highest success rate of 68% for a season with 20 or more attempts. His Dad is not on the list.
2007-07-12 13:12:50
79.   Penarol1916
74. I wonder where the term comes from. Is it because the union is trying to make the employer bleed, and the scab stops the bleeding?
2007-07-12 13:13:31
80.   Jon Weisman
76 - Fun.

Guess Julio Franco may not play ball until he's 50 after all. But Rickey isn't getting his roster spot - yet.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2934227&campaign=rss&source=MLBHeadlines

2007-07-12 13:14:58
81.   Bob Timmermann
79
"Scab" has been used to describe a lowly person who is disliked since the 16th Century. It just evolved into its labor meaning in the US after the Revolution.
2007-07-12 13:15:23
82.   El Lay Dave
74 I have no strong feelings one way or the other regarding unions and/or replacement players either, but I think the term "scab" should only be used by those that have strong feelings one certain way. In some sense, to me,

scab:non-union worker::wetback:illegal alien

Is it irony that, given the pre-existence of the wound, a real scab is a good thing to have, yet it's used by union members perjoratively?

2007-07-12 13:16:04
83.   Eric Stephen
77 Bob, I have noted your distaste for "USC frat guys". As a fan of USC (didn't go there; went to UCSD) but non-fan of frat guys, I can only partially share your view.

Is your non-approval (to put it mildly) weighted more toward the "USC" portion or the "frat guy" part?

2007-07-12 13:16:54
84.   Dodgers49
Martin learns to relax a little

>>> "I don't know how to pace myself," Martin said. "I think that's the problem. I have gotten used to catching every game. As a catcher, your body is going to get beat up, and it's not like one game off is going to make you feel healed. <<<

### And if there is a physical grind, well, Martin isn't about to admit it. Not to himself. Not to manager Grady Little. And certainly not to the public ###

http://www.presstelegram.com/sports/ci_6354344

2007-07-12 13:16:56
85.   Bob Timmermann
From the OED
scab, n.

4. slang. A term of abuse or depreciation applied to persons: a. A mean, low, 'scurvy' fellow; a rascal, scoundrel. {dag}occas. applied to a woman.

b. A workman who refuses to join an organized movement on behalf of his trade; in extended uses: a person who refuses to join a strike or who takes over the work of a striker; a blackleg; a strike-breaker. orig. U.S.

2007-07-12 13:18:19
86.   Eric Stephen
Rick Reed as a "scurvy fellow" works too!
2007-07-12 13:19:20
87.   Bob Timmermann
83
The "frat guys" meets with more approbation than being from USC. The guys were wearing USC clothing. I really don't dislike USC, even though Greg Brock finds this horrifying.

If I had joined a frat when I was in college, I seriously think my parents would not have welcomed me back in the house.

2007-07-12 13:19:51
88.   Penarol1916
82. That is wrong on so many levels. Scab does not apply to non-union workers, it applies to workers used to break strikes. Also wetback doesn't work for illegal aliens, because it is only applied to Mexicans, what about the Irish, Chinese and other illegal aliens, have you ever heard of them referred to as wetbacks. Also, wetback is many times used as a racial prejorative against all Mexicans, not just illegal aliens, so I'm not sure it is appropriate in any context, regardless of your feelings about illegal immigration.
2007-07-12 13:21:29
89.   Penarol1916
87. Even if it was a fraternity for future librarians?
2007-07-12 13:21:46
90.   Nagman
I'll meet you all back here around the time when A-Rod is about to break Bonds' record and we can discuss how Barry Bonds has stated to the press that he has better things to do than follow A-Rod around for a week and really, why should he do so when he was neglected by Aaron and the commissioner back when he was chasing the record.
2007-07-12 13:22:21
91.   Bob Timmermann
89
I am a member of Phi Beta Kappa.

But I didn't go to the last kegger.

2007-07-12 13:23:06
92.   D4P
Even if it was a fraternity for future librarians?

It's sad that Bob wouldn't even "get" a Lambda Lambda Lambda reference here.

2007-07-12 13:25:41
93.   Xeifrank
Not sure why the Aaron thing is such a big deal. More important things to cheer about, like the huge stock market gains today. :)
vr, Xei
2007-07-12 13:27:11
94.   ToyCannon
Why, the market will just give it back tomorrow.
2007-07-12 13:30:44
95.   D4P
94
I don't understand people who get excited when the market goes up one day or get depressed when it goes down one day.
2007-07-12 13:31:43
96.   ToyCannon
Franco DFA by NY. Is this the end for one of the great baseball stories of the 21st century?
2007-07-12 13:31:47
97.   Bob Timmermann
I hear that Christopher Cox is at the NYSE every day waiting for new highs in the Dow 30. He says he won't travel around waiting for the NASDAQ to reach a new high.
2007-07-12 13:32:20
98.   ToyCannon
95
Try putting some money in it and then you might understand.
2007-07-12 13:32:35
99.   Bob Timmermann
96
Franco will keep playing. He'll go to Mexico if he has to.
2007-07-12 13:33:19
100.   Bob Timmermann
D4P feels that all stock prices should be uniform and should all go up and down by the same amount each day.
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2007-07-12 13:36:59
101.   Jon Weisman
95 - I've seen people get excited when a baseball player gets on base in one at-bat and get depressed when he gets out in the next at-bat.
2007-07-12 13:38:07
102.   weatherman
85 - I am just reminded of Caius Marcius when her enters the first scene in "Coriolanus."

Thanks. What's the matter, you dissentious rogues,
That, rubbing the poor itch of you opinion,
Make yourselves scabs?

2007-07-12 13:38:46
103.   D4P
Unless you're planning to sell your stock in the near future, I don't see much point in getting emotional over daily fluctuations. The price goes up, then down, then up, then down, etc. Seems to me that the stock/fund's performance over a "long" period of time that matters.
2007-07-12 13:39:06
104.   dagwich
67 My wife and her brother are touring on Easter Island right now. What a coincidence that EI is mentioned on this blog today of all days. Incredibly, there's email on Big Head Island.
2007-07-12 13:39:07
105.   Penarol1916
100. Boo! I will stand by brother in uniformity of outfield dimensions. That does not mean you want uniformity in everything. Of course, coming from someone who is obviously implying that he endorses different distances from the pitching mound to home plate in every ballpark, I would expect nothing less.
2007-07-12 13:39:28
106.   ToyCannon
101
Your being modest, at DT the high/lows flow at the rate of each pitch.
2007-07-12 13:39:37
107.   D4P
D4P feels that all stock prices should be uniform and should all go up and down by the same amount each day

Not only that, but rich people shouldn't be allowed to buy more stock than poor people. There should be a "level playing field."

2007-07-12 13:40:16
108.   Bob Timmermann
104
I posted from Easter Island on DT. The connection was pretty balky.
2007-07-12 13:41:59
109.   weatherman
107 - I wonder if we would even have rich people if that system were in place.
2007-07-12 13:42:09
110.   Bob Timmermann
So D4P is not planning a life as a day trader.

He will live longer and be happier.

2007-07-12 13:43:07
111.   Dodgers49
Anybody here agree with Ken Gurnick's prediction? Frankly, I'm hoping to see Billingsley in the rotation for the rest of the season. And if Ned does trade for a starter I'd rather see Hendrickson returned to the bullpen.

>>> Fearless second-half prediction: Colletti again will come up empty in the search for a bat and again will load up on pitching by trading for a starter, returning Chad Billingsley to the bullpen. <<<

http://tinyurl.com/36d75o

2007-07-12 13:43:15
112.   Marty
This is one of the funnier threads in a while. I am picturing MLB digging up Ruth and carting his coffin around to follow Aaron's campaign. That would have been priceless.
2007-07-12 13:43:34
113.   Icaros
110

He's a day tripper instead.

2007-07-12 13:44:54
114.   Bob Timmermann
113
Sunday driver, yeah?
2007-07-12 13:46:02
115.   Icaros
112

MLB already has a commissioner who looks like he was dug from the grave 15 years ago.

2007-07-12 13:46:31
116.   Icaros
114

You'll find out.

2007-07-12 13:48:14
117.   underdog
I'm not one of those who has hated Barry Bonds all these years, feared him, yes, but haven't hated him. But there was something about the way he wimped out of the Home Run derby on Monday that really bugged me. I know he's "old" and all, but it's his hometown, his park, his fans, and he begged off it so he could prep for his party. Like he was out there putting up streamers and mopping the floor. And then he shows up for his party late. I'm sure it was because he didn't want to hurt himself, or embarrass himself, at the derby, but really, it reminded me of what a prima donna he can be.

Meanwhile, have one extra ticket for sale for game tomorrow, bleacher seats - going with another DT-er and a friend of mine. Email me asap if you're interested, underdog8@gmail.com

2007-07-12 13:50:19
118.   ToyCannon
Without DT I'm just a nowhere man but I'm hoping to get back to lovely Rita before I'm 64.
2007-07-12 13:51:02
119.   Marty
Brooklyn fans, and everyone else probably, will hate me for it, but in the 70's when I was going to a lot of Dodger games it seemed like they were always bringing out Roy Campanella for one tribute or another. So my friends and I used to joke about how they should bring Campy out and send him down the backstop net in his chair. We could picture him flying out to second base. It never ceased to crack us up.
2007-07-12 13:53:48
120.   Icaros
117

When Kemp and Loney hit back-to-back homers, we'll be the only ones standing. Be sure to wave.

2007-07-12 13:54:40
121.   ToyCannon
As long as you were stoned or drunk you would get a pass but if not you probably created the karma that has you working for the LA Times.
2007-07-12 13:56:01
122.   ToyCannon
Would love to see Loney reach McCovey Cove even if Bob doesn't believe in it's existence.
2007-07-12 13:56:21
123.   GoBears
119. Yeah, I hate you now Marty.

...

...

Aw shucks, I can't stay mad at you.

2007-07-12 13:56:43
124.   Marty
I am also a member of the anything for a laugh club. There are no sacred cows in comedy. Everything is up for grabs.
2007-07-12 13:58:00
125.   Icaros
Am I wrong in remembering that Todd Hundley (as a Dodger) was the first player to hit one into the water, for any team?
2007-07-12 14:00:12
126.   GoBears
Todd Hundley was never a Dodger.

Actually, I was at that game.

2007-07-12 14:00:46
127.   underdog
120 Man, that would make my day/week/year! I will definitely wave ;-) I'm assuming there will be more than 3 Dodger fans there, but still, yeah.

125 Nope, you're absolutely correct! He's the first visiting player to do so, anyway, and still the only Dodger.

2007-07-12 14:05:34
128.   Icaros
127

I've always found it pretty lame that they only record a splash homer on the board if a Giant hits one.

2007-07-12 14:06:13
129.   blue22
Here's the Splash Hits list:

http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/sf/ballpark/splashhits.jsp

I have no recollection of a player named "Felipe Crespo".

2007-07-12 14:06:41
130.   GobiasIndustries
127
What? You mean to tell me that Daryl Ward never went cove?
2007-07-12 14:14:21
131.   Dodgers49
111. I momentarily forgot about Randy Wolf. Oh well, I still hope to see Billingsley in the rotation for the rest of the season.
2007-07-12 14:14:48
132.   Eric Stephen
124 I'll bring my membership card to DT Day July 21. 'Tis a glorious club.
2007-07-12 14:18:59
133.   bryanf
73 Doesn't appear that Wills had any affect on Pierre, but I do remember it seemingly helping Dave Roberts quite a bit based on comments I remember from Roberts.
2007-07-12 14:19:17
134.   Jon Weisman
129 - I like my Felipe Crespo al dente.
2007-07-12 14:19:44
135.   Jon Weisman
132 - This is a serious question.

How do you folks feel about nametags on DT Day?

2007-07-12 14:21:29
136.   Icaros
135

I understand your reasoning, but I cannot wear a nametag.

2007-07-12 14:21:35
137.   Jon Weisman
David Wells suspended for seven games.
2007-07-12 14:22:57
138.   Eric Stephen
Nametags would help, especially since it's been a while since I've studied my Kevin Trudeau MegaMemory tapes.

What is the total count?

2007-07-12 14:23:05
139.   Jon Weisman
135 - Just to be clear, screen names would be OK for the nametags. In any case, they would be optional. I'm just wondering if I should bother buying them. Attendance is going to be about 40.
2007-07-12 14:23:06
140.   underdog
Can I send y'all a Fathead stand version of myself for your LA DT day? Just keep it in the aisle and move it up and down when the wave comes around.
2007-07-12 14:23:50
141.   bryanf
135 I'm not opposed to it, and I would even suggest writing our DT nicknames as well so we can put a face to a name...to a name.
2007-07-12 14:23:54
142.   Jon Weisman
http://www.metsblog.com/blog/_archives/2007/7/12/3088532.html

Marlon Anderson a Met.

2007-07-12 14:24:19
143.   Icaros
140

You mean an Easter Island Head?

2007-07-12 14:24:41
144.   Eric Stephen
Icaros will be easy to find...he's the one without the nametag.
2007-07-12 14:24:55
145.   Jon Weisman
Mets minor leaguer, to be precise.
2007-07-12 14:25:46
146.   Icaros
144

I'm going to feel like Kramer when he wouldn't wear the ribbon.

2007-07-12 14:27:02
147.   Eric Stephen
142 Depending on the corresponding transaction, that would be 7 of the Mets' 25-man roster were on the Dodgers between 2004-2006.
2007-07-12 14:27:29
148.   ToyCannon
Green, Valentin, Ledee, LaDuca, Mota, Sanchez, and now Marlon Anderson. How can we consider these guys contenders when their depth is so weak they keep picking up our castoffs?
2007-07-12 14:27:56
149.   Eric Stephen
141 My real name is Greg Brock, but that handle was already taken. :)
2007-07-12 14:28:15
150.   Xeifrank
I think nametags would be a great idea. The bigger the better. That way those of watching from the friendly confines of our living room couch can make you out in the crowd. Plus, nametags are really cool. Chicks dig em.
vr, Xei
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2007-07-12 14:29:26
151.   Eric Stephen
148 I forgot about Sanchez, who is on the DL.
2007-07-12 14:29:29
152.   Icaros
Don't forget, last year it was proven that DePodesta was wrong all along when the Heart-and-Soul Warriors beat LA in the playoffs.
2007-07-12 14:30:24
153.   GoBears
What interests me is that Icaros didn't say he didn't want to wear a nametag. He said he "cannot" wear one. This is likely because he only wears clothes to which things will not stick. Teflon, perhaps?
2007-07-12 14:30:58
154.   Jon Weisman
New post up at the bottom of the hour.
2007-07-12 14:31:52
155.   Icaros
153

I'm usually covered in a thin layer of whale blubber.

2007-07-12 14:32:02
156.   Eric Stephen
I assume July 21 will be "Bring Your Own Lanyard," or "BYOL" as we call it in the industry.
2007-07-12 14:33:19
157.   Jon Weisman
156 - I will look for something sticky from the Avery family of products.
2007-07-12 14:34:06
158.   Marty
Name tags and everyone wearing the same shirt. How nerdy do you want us to look?
2007-07-12 14:35:09
159.   Eric Stephen
157 Those Avery products are really good at first, but they tend to get frayed and worn very quickly, to the point where they are no longer useful.
2007-07-12 14:35:36
160.   Icaros
158

I'm not wearing the shirt, either.

2007-07-12 14:35:51
161.   Jon Weisman
158 - Actually, I'm recommending that we don't all wear the DT shirt for precisely that reason.
2007-07-12 14:36:42
162.   D4P
How nerdy do you want us to look?

It's called "bringing the inside out"

2007-07-12 14:36:58
163.   El Lay Dave
88 You're right, it doesn't work. (Although the country of origin problem is solved by simply adding an adjective.) The real point was supposed to be that "scab" seems too perjorative for neutral parties to use. I wouldn't imagine legitimate news agencies use the term, outside of quoting someone, or maybe I'll shortly be shown dozens of link that prove otherwise.
2007-07-12 14:37:11
164.   Marty
I'll wear my McCovey Chronicles shirt instead.
2007-07-12 14:41:00
165.   El Lay Dave
Whoa, we're all LATendering ourselves.
2007-07-12 14:44:07
166.   D4P
Is there a seating chart?
2007-07-12 14:46:52
167.   Jon Weisman
166 - Just a wheel of seating fortune.
2007-07-12 14:47:13
168.   Dodgers49
Scott Boras: A-Rod will make at least $32M

http://msn.foxsports.com/rumors/mlb#1

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