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Dodger Thoughts Day Update
2007-07-19 17:21
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

I just sent an e-mail to Dodger Thoughts Day attendees with some details about the event on it. If you didn't receive it, please e-mail me.

* * *

Tonight's game:

Gameday

Retro Gameday

Comments (443)
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2007-07-19 17:35:44
1.   Eric Enders
The Loons announcers are busy debating the best TV shows of the 90s. One of them thinks "The Contest" was the best ever episode of Seinfeld. The other one says he's too young to remember the heyday of "Seinfeld."

My head will now explode.

2007-07-19 17:38:15
2.   silverwidow
Meloan/Broxton/Saito. Soon, very soon.
2007-07-19 17:43:52
3.   Bluebleeder87
La Roche is swinging a hot bat from what i've been reading hopefully he'll get a call up pretty soon also. I think i've given up on Nomar this year & that's saying something cause i'm as optimistic has they come.
2007-07-19 17:47:59
4.   DXMachina
The problem is that they have no place to put Laroche unless Nomar gets hurt. Even then I think the team is more likely to bring back Abreu because he can play more positions.
2007-07-19 17:48:20
5.   Jon Weisman
I'm too young to remember the heyday of "I Love Lucy." That's about it.
2007-07-19 17:49:43
6.   Curtis Lowe
I'm too young to remember the heyday of "Dharma and Greg." That's about that.
2007-07-19 17:50:08
7.   Jon Weisman
But I still saw all the reruns a dozen times.
2007-07-19 17:50:47
8.   Curtis Lowe
But I did stand on a coffee table once or twice.
2007-07-19 17:51:17
9.   silverwidow
4-LaRoche can play LF. If he's not traded, he'll probably see a lot of time there next year.
2007-07-19 17:51:49
10.   Marty
I just missed out on Uncle Miltie.
2007-07-19 17:51:56
11.   Sam DC
I was talking to an intern at work today. She was born in Russia and was telling me a little about that. Then I told her about a trip I once led of high school students for a summer abroad in the Soviet Union. I was college then. Then I realized she was 4 years old when I did that.

Sigh.

2007-07-19 17:52:54
12.   Blue in SF
Lineup

1. Furcal, SS
2. Pierre, CF
3. Martin, C
4. Kent, 2B
5. Gonzo, LF
6. Nomar, 3B
7. Loney, 1B
8. Kemp, RF
9. Lowe, P

2007-07-19 17:54:32
13.   gpellamjr
I like that Grady will keep switching Loney's and Nomar's places in the lineup. It's that kind of shakeup that has made this offense so consistently great all year.
2007-07-19 17:54:49
14.   Jon Weisman
7 - Of "I Love Lucy" that is. Not "Dharma and Greg."
2007-07-19 17:55:38
15.   Blue in SF
Don't know if you guys saw, but the Dodgers picked up Chris Carpenter. He looks a lot more tan than I remember him, though.....

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/players/3579/latest_injuries.html

2007-07-19 17:55:39
16.   D4P
How long before Betemit-Nomar reaches Choi-Phillips-Myrow-Nakamura proportions...?
2007-07-19 17:56:15
17.   D4P
14
Good thing you clarified. I assumed you were referring to "Becker".
2007-07-19 17:58:26
18.   Sam DC
Clint Hurdle does not respect the Nationals offense (and with Dmitri Young ejected, hard to blame him). With a runner on second, two outs, up 4-1, he just let his starting pitcher who had already thrown 100 pitches bat.

Does that strike anyone else as odd?

2007-07-19 18:01:54
19.   Eric Enders
Kershaw allowed four runs in one inning today, but also managed to last 6 innings and retire the last 11 batters in a row.
2007-07-19 18:04:18
20.   Sam DC
Re 18, the pitcher K'd, the first batter for the Nationals doubled, and Hurdle immediately pulled the pitcher for Old Friend Tom Martin.
2007-07-19 18:07:08
21.   King of the Hobos
15 Too bad that just after we acquire him he's scheduled to undergo TJ, thus out another year and not guaranteed to ever be very good again.
2007-07-19 18:08:15
22.   Marty
I feel sorry for Rockies fans.
2007-07-19 18:13:07
23.   Sam DC
Dodger Old Friend Tom Martin got 1 batter then walked two to load the bases and pulled for Dodger Old Friend Matt Herges.
2007-07-19 18:13:30
24.   Jon Weisman
15 - Chris Carpenter, or as his fans call him, The Crime Dog.
2007-07-19 18:14:01
25.   still bevens
From the other thread:

356. Gagne55
352 There are generally a ton of Met fans in the stadium when the Mets come to town. The last time I went when the Mets were here, there were more Met chants than Dodger chants during the game. Of course, Pedro did have a no-hitter into the eigth in that game, so thatmay have had something to do with it.

Was that the one broken up by Antonio Perez? I was at that game. Was sad to see the no-no go, but also glad to see the Dodgers win. A bright spot in an otherwise forgettable 2005.

2007-07-19 18:16:30
26.   Eric Enders
25 I generally find 2005 to be very memorable. Memorable for all the wrong reasons, sure, but still one of the more memorable seasons in recent Dodger history.
2007-07-19 18:18:07
27.   Curtis Lowe
25 - Antonio Perez triple off the wall then Jayson Werth Homers.
2007-07-19 18:20:43
28.   Eric Stephen
25,27 Pedro was interesting through 7.1 IP that evening before the aforementioned triple-homer. Dodgers ended the night a mere 5 games out of first place.

http://tinyurl.com/3yyk6r

2007-07-19 18:27:48
29.   still bevens
27 Yeah that game is one of my fonder day game memories. Up there with the time when Jeff Weaver blanked the Astros against Clemens. It was the same day they did the broadcast using technology from different eras. I think it was also the game where Biggio got HBP and didn't get the base because he made no attempt at getting out of the way, which resulted in Garner being ejected.
2007-07-19 18:28:49
30.   Bluebleeder87
28

I thought Pedro was do to come back last month i guess things haven't gone according to plan for him.

2007-07-19 18:32:25
31.   Curtis Lowe
29 - Ahh yes the Throw back game, I had that on my Tivo up until about 3 weeks ago. That was way back in the HeyDay of Bob's this day in dodger history posts.
2007-07-19 18:35:22
32.   Eric Stephen
29 Werth batted leadoff in that game, and started in CF. The infield corners were manned by Jason Phillips and Mike Edwards.

http://tinyurl.com/37lhnj

2007-07-19 18:37:42
33.   Bob Timmermann
31
My heyday has passed. I'm last year's news. I'm washed up. I was even shut out of DT Day at Dodger Stadium. Greg Brock is the new belle of the ball here.

OK, so I had a bad day at work. It was rife with moral dilemmas. Moral dilemmas make me sleepy.

2007-07-19 18:39:28
34.   be2ween
I was too young to really remember the heydays 'Julia' or 'Room 222'.
2007-07-19 18:39:33
35.   Eric Stephen
33 Wait, the great Bob Timmermann will not be in attendance Saturday?

My life has no meaning.

2007-07-19 18:41:08
36.   gpellamjr
32 How easy would it have been just to have Werth be our starting CF this year?
2007-07-19 18:41:51
37.   gpellamjr
33 Wait, Greg Brock is the new belle of the ball here?

Dodgerthoughts has no meaning.

2007-07-19 18:43:20
38.   Bob Timmermann
Greg Brock is younger, smarter, hipper, and he can talk to today's kids. And he's not soft on Karl Dorrell.
2007-07-19 18:44:09
39.   Eric Stephen
36 It would have been too perfect. Werth would have spent most of the time on the DL, leaving plenty of playing time for both Kemp and Ethier.

Oh yeah, and Werth makes $850,000 this season.

2007-07-19 18:45:22
40.   Icaros
That ball gown is going to make Greg's hips look like Mt. Shasta.
2007-07-19 18:45:43
41.   Eric Enders
Brock can't come to the phone right now. He's too busy partaking of silliness.
2007-07-19 18:51:21
42.   overkill94
Has anybody ever had a problem with Outlook where after you close it an error message pops up saying that "Microsoft Outlook has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience."?

It gets really annoying having to unclick the "restart Outlook" box followed by clicking the "close" box. Somebody help me stop the madness!

2007-07-19 18:52:26
43.   CanuckDodger
This list will probably look a bit different after the minor league season ends in a little over a month -- and perhaps even after the trade deadline -- but right now this is how our Top 30 Prospects list for 2008 is shaping up. In my opinion, of course. Abreu should have enough MLB (happy, Bob?) AB's by season's end to exhaust his prospect eligibility, so I am excluding him.

(01). Clayton Kershaw, LHP
(02). Andy LaRoche, 3B
(03). Chin-Lung Hu, SS
(04). James McDonald, RHP
(05). Jonathan Meloan, RHP
(06). Josh Bell, 3B
(07). Ivan DeJesus, Jr., SS
(08). Xavier Paul, CF
(09). Blake DeWitt, 3B
(10). Chris Withrow, RHP
(11). Scott Elbert, LHP
(12). Delwyn Young, RF
(13). Zach Hammes, RHP
(14). Justin Orenduff, RHP
(15). Ramon Troncoso, RHP
(16). Greg Miller, LHP
(17). Bryan Morris, RHP
(18). Preston Mattingly, 2B
(19). Josh Wall, RHP
(20). Lucas May, C
(21). Mike Megrew, LHP
(22). Kyle Smit, RHP
(23). James Adkins, LHP
(24). Wesley Wright, LHP
(25). Pedro Baez, 3B
(26). Jaime Ortiz, 1B
(27). Michael Watt, LHP
(28). Jesus Castillo, RHP
(29). Travis Denker, 2B
(30). Anthony Raglani, LF

2007-07-19 18:53:24
44.   Bob Timmermann
42
Microsoft Outlook failed to warn me of a meeting tomorrow. I'm not scheduled to work tomorrow.

Outlook is dead to me.

2007-07-19 18:54:14
45.   Jon Weisman
I just sent an e-mail to Dodger Thoughts Day attendees with some details about the event on it. If you didn't receive it, please e-mail me.
2007-07-19 18:55:37
46.   Bluebleeder87
42

that happend a lot when i had windows xp thank god i have Vista now, there's some computer savvy guys here hopefully they can help you out.

2007-07-19 18:58:02
47.   trainwreck
No Orr?
2007-07-19 18:59:58
48.   Eric Enders
Very nice list Canuck. Our system is unimpressive compared with a couple of years ago, but that's a good thing because it means those guys have graduated to the majors. Players who I'd rank a little worse than you do are McDonald, DeJesus, Paul, and Orenduff. Players I'd rank a little better are Meloan, Young, Baez, and the absent Leach, Orr, and Lambo.
2007-07-19 19:03:44
49.   CanuckDodger
47 -- Orr has to show me some production. The only "non-performer" I cut a break (outside of DL guys or players drafted this year) was Mattingly, and that was just because I think he was too raw to have skipped the Pioneer League.
2007-07-19 19:03:47
50.   King of the Hobos
Prospect #14 is having a nice game, 6 IP, 5 hits, 1 run, 0 BBs, and 6 Ks thus far.

That list seems pretty good to me. I don't really like Paul as much as Canuck, and I probably like Denker a bit more, but that seems like a very good list nonetheless. Certainly not the prospect depth of a few years ago, but still very good nonetheless.

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2007-07-19 19:04:48
51.   Bluebleeder87
i'm really intrigued by this Pedro Baez specially since we share the same last name he's still a few years away from the bigs from what i understand though.
2007-07-19 19:05:44
52.   CanuckDodger
49 -- Actually, Greg Miller is another non-performer I cut a break.
2007-07-19 19:06:03
53.   overkill94
43 I'd put Young a little higher even if he doesn't seem to have a future on the Dodgers. He's young enough that this year's performance in AAA has boosted his prospect status fairly significantly even when factoring in the park factors.
2007-07-19 19:07:27
54.   Bluebleeder87
is Bob Timmermann working the day we have the DT get together, no show Bob?
2007-07-19 19:11:51
55.   trainwreck
So much for keeping Reyes off the bases.
2007-07-19 19:11:59
56.   Bluebleeder87
DodgerRama has a nice alternative view on all the trade talk - http://tinyurl.com/yv5pws
2007-07-19 19:12:11
57.   CanuckDodger
53 -- This is Young's age 25 season. I would have liked to see him have this kind of season in Vegas last year. So I penalize Young a bit.
2007-07-19 19:12:21
58.   Indiana Jon
We needed that 5 man infield already.
2007-07-19 19:14:07
59.   Bluebleeder87
there was scattered claps for the magician Anderson when he came up to bat, i'm sure TC & Brock took part in it.
2007-07-19 19:15:29
60.   Gen3Blue
I'm afraid I am too old to remember the heyday of Sienfeld.
2007-07-19 19:15:34
61.   Blaine
Vin said that was a "super catch" by Gonzales. But that was a horrible route to get to the ball. Pierresque.
2007-07-19 19:16:21
62.   Eric Enders
49 For evaluation purposes, though, shouldn't Orr be considered alongside the players drafted in '07 since he started playing pro ball at exactly the same time as they did?

I am not an Xavier Paul fan at all, never have been, and even less so after seeing him play in person. His tools aren't all THAT impressive, and even so, his performance has yet to catch up to his tools. He's in his fifth pro season but has never shown anything better than mediocre power, a mediocre batting average, mediocre baserunning, and mediocre plate discipline. I see him as an extremely poor man's Jeffrey Hammonds. Fifth outfielder material.

2007-07-19 19:17:17
63.   Bob Timmermann
Actually, it looks like tonight the Dodgers may have to drag the warning track after five innings.
2007-07-19 19:19:15
64.   Bluebleeder87
i hadn't realized Howard Johnson was a coach for Randolph Mets.
2007-07-19 19:19:47
65.   Curtis Lowe
Derek looks horrible tonight.
2007-07-19 19:19:52
66.   Bluebleeder87
Derek Lowe is having 1st inning woes.
2007-07-19 19:21:22
67.   DXMachina
64 HoJo had been the first base coach, then he took over as hitting coach when Rick Down was fired. Rickey Henderson is now the Mets first base coach.
2007-07-19 19:21:38
68.   overkill94
Let's hope the young 'uns can match the Mets' offense tonight. Lowe isn't looking so hot so far.
2007-07-19 19:25:14
69.   Bob Timmermann
The most unkindest cut of all!
2007-07-19 19:25:40
70.   overkill94
Kemp's too tall for a low bouncer like that one
2007-07-19 19:25:50
71.   Bluebleeder87
I'm wearing my lucky blue DT shirt to no avail! Matt Kemp looked horrible.
2007-07-19 19:26:23
72.   kadycee
This is bedeviling.
2007-07-19 19:26:41
73.   trainwreck
We should have never gotten rid of Shawn Green.
2007-07-19 19:26:56
74.   Gen3Blue
Canuck, that list is excellent and shows a lot of thought. I have to go mostly by stats, age/league, and what I can gleen of experience. I don't keep up well with reports on tools or makeup. So thanks.
My only difference is I would put Jamie Hoffman somwhere in the twenties.
2007-07-19 19:27:34
75.   Bob Timmermann
We'll all get our chance to see Roberto Hernandez tonight.
2007-07-19 19:27:39
76.   Icaros
If this game is going to be another blowout, I may leave for the Southland tonight.
2007-07-19 19:27:42
77.   Bluebleeder87
There's no end to this, wow.
2007-07-19 19:28:19
78.   Bob Timmermann
73
He'll be available as soon as Moises Alou comes back.
2007-07-19 19:29:03
79.   NorCal-Dodger
Guess we'll get to see Roberto Hernandez's debut tonite.
2007-07-19 19:29:10
80.   Andrew Shimmin
C'mon Grittle. Get him out of there. Let Flanders bring up Hammes tomorrow, or re-sign Scott Erickson. Whatever. Just get him out of there.
2007-07-19 19:30:12
81.   Gen3Blue
Oh my G. what happened! I just turned it on.
2007-07-19 19:33:52
82.   Curtis Lowe
81 - Rule 1 Violation. Multiple Rule 1 Violations.
2007-07-19 19:34:30
83.   Bluebleeder87
81

it feels like a boxing match & we got knocked out in the 1st. Hopefully we can regroup & "punch away"

2007-07-19 19:35:35
84.   regfairfield
Bad Derek Lowe was a little late this year.
2007-07-19 19:36:00
85.   overkill94
Luckily the immortal Cole Hamels is pitching against the Padres tonight. If he loses that game I think the universe might implode on itself.
2007-07-19 19:36:08
86.   Bluebleeder87
come on the guy i will not name take some pitches.
2007-07-19 19:37:20
87.   Bluebleeder87
the player i will not name hit a rop, woo!
2007-07-19 19:37:45
88.   trainwreck
Killing them softly.
2007-07-19 19:40:23
89.   Bob Timmermann
Hamels is squaring off against Tall Chris Young.

Runs are optional.

2007-07-19 19:41:04
90.   Bluebleeder87
hopefully Gonzalez can make it a game again.
2007-07-19 19:42:31
91.   overkill94
The windmill strikes again!
2007-07-19 19:43:03
92.   Andrew Shimmin
Pull Kent, too. And then beat him.
2007-07-19 19:43:21
93.   StolenMonkey86
84 - yep, but still in July
2007-07-19 19:43:27
94.   Bluebleeder87
Kent or was it Donnelly who did that, he kind of took the excitement out of me. sigh!!.
2007-07-19 19:44:01
95.   Icaros
That was inexcusable.
2007-07-19 19:44:36
96.   bryanf
I've mostly been on Donnelly's side, but when will the bad calls at third base end?
2007-07-19 19:45:06
97.   Curtis Lowe
How many times does Kent want to be thrown out before he conceeds?
2007-07-19 19:45:56
98.   kadycee
can't count on Nomar no more.
2007-07-19 19:46:14
99.   Curtis Lowe
"It's not about how fast you run, it's about how hard you run!"

Adrianne!

2007-07-19 19:48:22
100.   overkill94
With the ball behind him, wouldn't Kent be relying on Donnelly to let him know whether to run or not?
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2007-07-19 19:48:33
101.   gpellamjr
I didn't much care for the difference in strike zones between the top and the bottom of the inning.
2007-07-19 19:48:40
102.   Bluebleeder87
Donnelly saw Glavine wasn't throwing strikes why risk it, i think it changes the dynamic of the game if he doesn't send him, oh well hopefully we keep on punching away.
2007-07-19 19:49:15
103.   Andrew Shimmin
Alright. I'm convinced. Beat Donnelly. Warn Kent.
2007-07-19 19:49:19
104.   Gen3Blue
Sitting on the e coast, I often play games to kill time till the game starts sometime after ten. I was folling around posting and looked up and said good, we must be at least 10 minutes into it. Then to turn it on and be down 6-0. There's nothing quite the same!
2007-07-19 19:49:58
105.   CanuckDodger
62 -- Orr almost made it over Raglani at #30, and he might make my Top 30 list after the season, depending on how he does the rest of the way. Orr is so raw coming out of a Canadian high school that at this stage I think of him as more of a high-reward "project" than a prospect.

About Xavier Paul, I think his prospect value is significantly tied up in his ability to play CF. For now I am giving him the benefit of the doubt because he plays there, but if I hear scouting reports indicating he can't stay in CF, I'll downgrade Paul's ranking considerably. If Paul can stay in CF, it seems to me that he hits enough to be a starter. He hits for average, he walks, and he has some HR pop. Paul's arm is a cannon, and is very accurate. He has plus speed, but poor base-running technique has limited him as a threat on the bases. Better technique can still be learned. Outside of the questions about Paul's ability to stay in CF, my only other concern is the strikeouts, and those are a product of poor pitch recognition (which can be improved on, with experience), as his swing is quick and short to the ball.

2007-07-19 19:50:19
106.   natepurcell
whats the month that Lowe is traditionally horrible in?
2007-07-19 19:50:38
107.   gpellamjr
I saw the HBO special today on Brooklyn. I was a little disappointed that Vin wasn't interviewed for it. Does anybody know why? I wonder if he just didn't want to do it.
2007-07-19 19:51:09
108.   kadycee
Kent must love Donnelly.
2007-07-19 19:51:18
109.   Bob Timmermann
Padres take a 1-0 lead on an RBI double by Giles the Elder.

Fortunately, Tony Gwynn is in the booth tonight to keep Mark Grant from talking too much.

Sadly, Matt Vasgersian still walks among us.

2007-07-19 19:52:06
110.   Bluebleeder87
oh thank god a much needed DP.
2007-07-19 19:52:51
111.   gpellamjr
109 Gwynn can be soft spoken at times. I'm afraid that the Force of Grant > the Force of Gwynn.
2007-07-19 19:53:23
112.   regfairfield
106 This one.
2007-07-19 19:54:40
113.   bryanf
107 I enjoyed the special, but you are SO right...how did they leave out Vinny?
2007-07-19 19:55:03
114.   CanuckDodger
74 -- I gave Jamie Hoffmann consideration, but he is showing insufficient power for a 22-year-old corner outfielder in the California League. He used to play CF. If he were still a CF, I would have put him on the list.
2007-07-19 19:55:08
115.   Bob Timmermann
107
According to Army Archerd, the producers either made either no attempt or an extremely weak attempt to contact Scully for the documentary.

Scully claims no one asked him.

http://www.armyarcherd.com/2007/07/what--no-vin-sc.html

Jon and I disagree on the reasons. I'm far more consipracy-minded than he is in this matter.

2007-07-19 19:55:17
116.   Icaros
Nomar should try to not backhand grounders hit right at him. Good of him to make the play, though.
2007-07-19 19:56:38
117.   natepurcell
112

thanks, thats what i figured.

2007-07-19 19:58:45
118.   natepurcell
BEAST!
2007-07-19 19:58:55
119.   Bluebleeder87
YOUNG PUPS! YES!
2007-07-19 19:59:04
120.   kadycee
Yippee!
2007-07-19 19:59:10
121.   Curtis Lowe
Never Give up,

Never Surrender!

2007-07-19 19:59:32
122.   PlayKempDaily
ahhhhhhhhhhh yeah!
2007-07-19 19:59:32
123.   Gen3Blue
Ohh that looked good with the sound off!!
2007-07-19 19:59:38
124.   trainwreck
M. Bison rules all.
2007-07-19 19:59:44
125.   Icaros
I'm going to buy a pet Bison for my apartment.
2007-07-19 19:59:47
126.   gpellamjr
To conjure the awful Mets announcers from last year: Loney & Kemp, the best 7 & 8 hitters in baseball.
2007-07-19 19:59:58
127.   natepurcell
I just saw Kuo in the dugout. I thought he would have been with the vegas club.
2007-07-19 20:00:23
128.   Michael D
I really wish our outfield could be Gonzalez/Kemp/Ethier
2007-07-19 20:01:01
129.   natepurcell
lots of runs being scored in vegas tonight as well.
2007-07-19 20:01:56
130.   StolenMonkey86
128 - On the month, I'd take Ethier/Pierre/Kemp. Pierre is out OPSing Gonzalez .798 to .655 in July.
2007-07-19 20:02:22
131.   natepurcell
128

to add to that, pierre's consecutive games streak shouldn't prevent him from partaking in the outfield rotation when he is the worst of the 4 outfielders.

2007-07-19 20:02:44
132.   Icaros
128

I already called dibs on that wish months ago.

2007-07-19 20:03:31
133.   Gen3Blue
I looked up form my Ed Viesturs book and it looked like Loney got on base and Kemp homered. I better keep reading, we may get back in this thing.
2007-07-19 20:03:52
134.   StolenMonkey86
129 - yeah, Hu is 1 for 1 with a walk and 2 runs scored
2007-07-19 20:04:36
135.   trainwreck
Hey, what do you know? The MLS All-Star game is on right now.
2007-07-19 20:04:41
136.   StolenMonkey86
and a stolen base
2007-07-19 20:05:10
137.   kadycee
107. I was sorry I missed it (no HBO) but now I'm not. Dodgers without Vin? What's up with that?
2007-07-19 20:05:33
138.   gpellamjr
Juan Pierre with a productive out. That's why he's our number 2 hitter. Sacrificing himself for the team. So unselfish.
2007-07-19 20:06:23
139.   gpellamjr
137 But they had some Japanese lady who hasn't watched a baseball game since Thompson's homerun.
2007-07-19 20:07:01
140.   StolenMonkey86
135 - I understand that the 51's shortstop is very interested in that game.

Hu Cares. :)

2007-07-19 20:07:30
141.   Lexinthedena
Just got done with a meeting...looks like I am missing a good one....

Kemp to break A-Rod's record? in 2023?

2007-07-19 20:09:19
142.   kadycee
139. What the...? Whatever.
2007-07-19 20:09:47
143.   trainwreck
Chris Mihm re-signed with the Lakers.
2007-07-19 20:09:57
144.   kadycee
135. I don't acknowledge soccer.
2007-07-19 20:10:20
145.   Jon Weisman
138 - He had a good at-bat, actually.

Pitch counts through two innings: Glavine 55, Lowe 54.

2007-07-19 20:10:28
146.   trainwreck
139
Well she did write a book on Jackie Robinson.
2007-07-19 20:10:28
147.   Bluebleeder87
141

Really man, Grady has a nice problem with Ethier & Kemp

2007-07-19 20:10:44
148.   bryanf
139 She was the author of "The Year of the Boar and Jackie Robinson".
2007-07-19 20:11:17
149.   Bob Timmermann
139
She's Chinese, Betty Bao Lord. She wrote a children's book called "In the Year of the Boar and Jackie Robinson"

http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/10723411

2007-07-19 20:11:18
150.   Lexinthedena
Pierre deserves a little credit...he has played well lately....yes, still a bad signing....
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2007-07-19 20:11:47
151.   Bob Timmermann
Don't I get credit for having a link to the book?
2007-07-19 20:11:50
152.   Gen3Blue
The D's, what a long line-up to face. You get through the top 6 and then its Loney and Kemp. Opposing pitchers must prey we keep JP in there every day.
2007-07-19 20:12:50
153.   kadycee
146. Oh...ok. I guess.
2007-07-19 20:13:23
154.   Lexinthedena
So they say Pierre scores a very high percentage of the time he get's on base...anyone know where he ranks?
2007-07-19 20:13:31
155.   trainwreck
149
Wait a second...

My class read that book in 8th grade.

2007-07-19 20:13:31
156.   kadycee
151. You do. Thank you.
2007-07-19 20:13:50
157.   bryanf
139 I beat Bob to something! Well, half of something at least...
2007-07-19 20:14:28
158.   Bob Timmermann
If Shawn Green hits for the cycle, the International Commission for the Determination of Irony will be forced into an emergency session.
2007-07-19 20:14:59
159.   nofatmike
151. I think I get extra credit for having that as a class requirement in the 3rd Grade.
2007-07-19 20:15:44
160.   trainwreck
Eddie Pope is still in the MLS? I thought he went to play in Germany.
2007-07-19 20:16:16
161.   Bob Timmermann
159
I would have had read it for class, but I was a sophomore in college when it came out.
2007-07-19 20:16:23
162.   bryanf
158 He didn't get a triple in the first, did he? I thought he got to third on an error.
2007-07-19 20:16:41
163.   Bluebleeder87
D-Lowe hasn't absolutely nothing.
2007-07-19 20:17:02
164.   kadycee
Derek's just trying to make the game exciting.
2007-07-19 20:17:19
165.   Bob Timmermann
162
Every cycle still needs a single.
2007-07-19 20:18:11
166.   Lexinthedena
Was Marlon cheered in his first at bat?
2007-07-19 20:18:15
167.   kadycee
155. I'm impressed you remember what you read in 8th grade.
2007-07-19 20:18:44
168.   Lexinthedena
Lowe is so unlikeable when he's off...all sulky and annoying...
2007-07-19 20:18:49
169.   kadycee
Aw, come on Lowe-la.
2007-07-19 20:19:12
170.   Bluebleeder87
158

he has a pretty darn good arm still also, really nice throw to get Kent. Donnelly/windmill took the wind out of me for a little bit with that call though.

2007-07-19 20:19:36
171.   trainwreck
167
Eh, it was only 8 years ago.
2007-07-19 20:20:06
172.   Bluebleeder87
166

scattered claps.

2007-07-19 20:20:31
173.   Icaros
Did everyone see Green talking smack to Kent at 2B?
2007-07-19 20:20:57
174.   Bob Timmermann
Lowe can now shoot for the LA Dodgers record for most runs allowed while picking up the win.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN197905310.shtml

2007-07-19 20:21:25
175.   overkill94
Anybody else think it would be really funny if Kent truly was talking smack to Shawn Green? It makes it that much better that Kent was smiling and laughing while (according to Vin) Green was cussing.

When Green got to third he seemed to say something to Nomar that he really got a kick out of.

2007-07-19 20:21:39
176.   kadycee
171. I don't remember what I read 8 years ago...I know I read something...
2007-07-19 20:22:47
177.   Bob Timmermann
Going to the top of the SIXTH in San Diego.

They're are, at the moment, 12 fewer runs on the board in that game.

2007-07-19 20:23:37
178.   Bluebleeder87
Did everyone see Green talking smack to Kent at 2B?

ball player talk i wouldn't take it to serious.

2007-07-19 20:25:22
179.   natepurcell
blah
2007-07-19 20:26:31
180.   Lexinthedena
It could just be me....but it seems like Vin has been especially good this year....
2007-07-19 20:26:33
181.   Bluebleeder87
wow it looks like it's gonna be a slugg fest!

i'm picturing a nice scareduck cartoonish post from him tomorrow.

2007-07-19 20:26:40
182.   Bob Timmermann
In 1979, Rick Sutcliffe won a game for the Dodgers while giving up 14 hits.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN197905250.shtml

1979, the year Bobby Castillo lead the Dodgers in saves.

With 7!

2007-07-19 20:28:15
183.   trainwreck
Do the Mets just take all our rejects?
2007-07-19 20:29:16
184.   Bob Timmermann
183
The acquisition of Roberto Hernandez was an attempt to remedy the imbalance of rejects.
2007-07-19 20:30:49
185.   alex 7
maybe I haven't kept up closely enough the last few days, but why wasn't a long reliever ready to come in by the 3rd inning after the double and single?

The Dodgers showed they could make a game out of it, so leaving Lowe in to walk a pitcher and still face batters after that just didn't make sense.

Has the pen been thinned that badly that no matter what, we can't pull Lowe in the 3rd?

2007-07-19 20:30:52
186.   Robert Daeley
For those not familiar with Vin's term:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_uncle

2007-07-19 20:31:17
187.   kadycee
133. Are you still reading???
2007-07-19 20:31:22
188.   Lexinthedena
Are you serious?
2007-07-19 20:31:25
189.   Bob Timmermann
No Mets pitcher has won a game giving up more than seven runs.

The most hits given up a Mets pitcher in a win is 13 by Jason Isringhausen in this extraordinarily peculiar boxscore.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYN/NYN199509150.shtml

2007-07-19 20:31:43
190.   Bluebleeder87
I feel like buying a lotto ticket today.
2007-07-19 20:31:46
191.   natepurcell
kemp has to be due with the bases loaded right?
2007-07-19 20:32:00
192.   Lexinthedena
186- What about "Pier 6 Brawl?"
2007-07-19 20:32:30
193.   NorCal-Dodger
Need a 4 run rally killer!
2007-07-19 20:32:38
194.   overkill94
Why didn't anyone tell me tonight's game was being played on Mars?
2007-07-19 20:32:57
195.   kadycee
183. Apparently. It's unnatural.
2007-07-19 20:34:12
196.   kadycee
This is a jolly good time - if you don't worry about who wins or loses.
2007-07-19 20:34:12
197.   Bluebleeder87
my mind goes into warp speed when i think of Matt Kemp with bases juiced, with all the what ifs & all.
2007-07-19 20:34:13
198.   Gagne55
Who thinks Kemp belts one here?
2007-07-19 20:34:37
199.   overkill94
"well the bulbs have gone out on this marquee match-up"

Nice work, Vin

2007-07-19 20:34:41
200.   nofatmike
Jeez, how many "Old Friends" do the Mets have on their roster?
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2007-07-19 20:35:16
201.   natepurcell
i think this game is going to hurt both teams pythag records.
2007-07-19 20:35:18
202.   Robert Daeley
192 According to this

http://tinyurl.com/2h9dwh

"They say the term, 'pier 6 brawl' comes from boxing matches held on Staten Island."

2007-07-19 20:35:37
203.   nick
Vin's "even Homer nods" does not, btw, refer to Homer Simpson....
2007-07-19 20:36:01
204.   Gagne55
Saenz on deck? What about Boom Boom Betemit?
2007-07-19 20:36:23
205.   Robert Daeley
200 Nine, plus three coaches and three more in AAA:

http://www.trolleydodger.com/2007/07/12/marlon-to-the-mets-the-stalking-continues/

2007-07-19 20:36:45
206.   natepurcell
dont PH tomato, PH Ethier!
2007-07-19 20:37:18
207.   natepurcell
204

or Betemit, that works too. come on grady!

2007-07-19 20:37:40
208.   trainwreck
Sele throws to slow for Kemp.
2007-07-19 20:37:43
209.   Gagne55
Why Saenz? Ethier and Betemit are both far superior options.
2007-07-19 20:37:55
210.   nofatmike
206. Heck, even Pedro Feliciano is an old friend.
2007-07-19 20:37:59
211.   NorCal-Dodger
The problem is we have the bases loaded! We are terrible with bases loaded
2007-07-19 20:38:03
212.   overkill94
How do you not go to Ethier or Betemit here? How many times will Olmedo be miscast as our top pinch-hitter? Lefties only, Grady!
2007-07-19 20:38:06
213.   Retire 55
Because Grady is the worst manager in L.A. history.
2007-07-19 20:38:36
214.   Lexinthedena
If there is a rule about interesting-ness why isn't there one about openly jinxing grand slams?
2007-07-19 20:38:48
215.   alex 7
goooooooodness. Grits really believes Olmedo is our best bench bat against righties huh? sad.
2007-07-19 20:39:21
216.   Retire 55
Im happy to be proven wrong Olmedo. Please prove me wrong.
2007-07-19 20:39:53
217.   natepurcell
3-2! 3-2!! Im so nervous!
2007-07-19 20:40:37
218.   Lexinthedena
uhhhh....Nomar?.....
2007-07-19 20:40:40
219.   natepurcell
Nomar come on!
2007-07-19 20:40:41
220.   King of the Hobos
I wouldn't be surprised if Ethier is being reserved for later in the game, when he can play LF. Not sure about Betemit.
2007-07-19 20:40:55
221.   Gagne55
What was Nomar thinking?!
2007-07-19 20:41:01
222.   overkill94
Again with the getting thrown out at third? I think that one's on Nomar.
2007-07-19 20:41:03
223.   NorCal-Dodger
That was stupid!
2007-07-19 20:41:07
224.   trainwreck
Yeah, gee Nomar you were sure close on that one.

We are so utterly stupid.

2007-07-19 20:41:18
225.   Icaros
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2007-07-19 20:41:29
226.   Lexinthedena
Just because Donnely is funny doesn't mean he knows what he is doing....
2007-07-19 20:41:35
227.   Retire 55
I really wish we had some professionals running this team from the field.
2007-07-19 20:41:49
228.   NorCal-Dodger
What is this, we gorget how to run the bases when we play the Mets??
2007-07-19 20:41:50
229.   overkill94
213 Yeah, we get it, you hate Grady, duly noted
2007-07-19 20:42:16
230.   regfairfield
213 You do remember the guy who refused to played Jason Phillips at first, right?
2007-07-19 20:42:18
231.   dkminnick
Is the windmill calling for the runners to make these attempts at third? My god.
2007-07-19 20:42:18
232.   Gagne55
I'm not sure the tomato can ketchup to fastballs anymore.
2007-07-19 20:42:35
233.   alex 7
this is now aaaaalmost on par to getting two guys thrown out at the plate during the same play.
2007-07-19 20:43:07
234.   Sam DC
I'm not happy to be up past my bedtime with runners getting thrown at third base again and again and again. Or just again.
2007-07-19 20:43:14
235.   StolenMonkey86
230 - Do I remember him? Yes. Am I happy to remember him? Not really.
2007-07-19 20:43:21
236.   King of the Hobos
Hu stays perfect with another single, and Young follows with one of his own. Still no outs, Laroche due up after Lindsey.
2007-07-19 20:43:34
237.   Gagne55
The Aflack answer: Green, Loduca, Andersen, Mota, Sele, Alomar, Ledee
2007-07-19 20:43:45
238.   overkill94
226 I doubt that one was Donnelly's fault
2007-07-19 20:43:52
239.   Sam DC
233: Well, other than context.
2007-07-19 20:43:59
240.   Bob Timmermann
12 runs to catch the mark for the highest scoring game in Dodger Stadium history.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN199005190.shtml

2007-07-19 20:44:23
241.   regfairfield
230 Dear God, that was bad, even for me. Let's try again.

You do remember the guy who played Jason Phillips at first, right?

2007-07-19 20:44:42
242.   trainwreck
232
Excellent.
2007-07-19 20:45:26
243.   King of the Hobos
236 Lindsey K'd, but Laroche homered in Hu and Young. So the Vegas Three continue to roll.
2007-07-19 20:45:28
244.   alex 7
even if Grits valued BA, Ethier's at .295 vs RH pitchers. I mean, that's swell and all that now Ethier can play LF in the 8th inning when it's 12-6 Mets...

When do the robot managers arrive?

2007-07-19 20:45:35
245.   Bob Timmermann
I think Saenz was used so early because he was recognized as the LEAST valuable pinch hitter. In a game like this, subs are going to be needed. Betemit can play multiple positions. Ethier can play all over the outfield.
2007-07-19 20:46:04
246.   Bluebleeder87
it's like somebody is punching us in the tummy!
2007-07-19 20:47:02
247.   alex 7
and I'm still upset that Lowe stuck around long enough after the double and single to walk a pitcher and give up a few more runs. Could be a 1-run game.

Thanks for the outlet Jon. Gonna get back to life now.

2007-07-19 20:47:37
248.   Robert Daeley
245 Don't go injecting logic and reason. Interrupts the wailing, rending of garments, and gnashing of teeth.
2007-07-19 20:47:52
249.   Bluebleeder87
When do the robot managers arrive?

I don't know but our 3rd base coach turns into a windmill.

2007-07-19 20:48:00
250.   NorCal-Dodger
I think Penny could have raked on Sele
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2007-07-19 20:48:32
251.   Lexinthedena
Houlton....lookin' good....
2007-07-19 20:49:06
252.   NorCal-Dodger
Looks like the Pods are on their way to another 2 hit victory
2007-07-19 20:49:30
253.   Retire 55
Bases loaded, down by 4, yeah that sounds like a good opportunity to get your worst pinch hitter out of the way
2007-07-19 20:50:34
254.   Bob Timmermann
Going to the bottom of the 7th in San Diego. Padres still lead 1-0. Tall Chris Young is probably through. Both pitchers have given up two hits.

Mark Grant tells me that the buffet at the Valley View Casino is so good that even a Dodgers fan would like it.

Mark Grant appears not to have missed many buffets.

2007-07-19 20:50:58
255.   overkill94
245 You don't use your least valuable pinch-hitter with the bases loaded though, you wait until it's bases empty and the pitcher's spot up. No reason to plan for later when you have an opportunity now.
2007-07-19 20:51:09
256.   NorCal-Dodger
Better add Olmedo to that list for 2008
2007-07-19 20:51:19
257.   alex 7
re:245 Wasn't that situation an inverted smokejumper one? With only one out, that might have been our best shot at coming back tonight.

Unfortunately, I believe Grits just thought he was the best man for the job.

2007-07-19 20:51:55
258.   kadycee
245. That's what I was thinking. It's only the fourth inning--and how long has this game been on now?
2007-07-19 20:52:23
259.   alex 7
writing that we might have already had our best shot to get back in it, then switching to gameday and looking at Sele as the opposing pitcher...well...

my bad.

2007-07-19 20:52:36
260.   Bob Timmermann
I didn't say Saenz was the WORST pinch hitter (which likely would have been Ramon Martinez). He was the LEAST valuable.

Saenz is not all that useful late in the game. Betemit is. He can both pinch hit and go in to play defense for Nomar.

2007-07-19 20:52:53
261.   kadycee
249. And when Don Quixote will come along
2007-07-19 20:53:20
262.   Retire 55
255-

Don't go making a rational argument. Interrupts the endless rationalizations for Grady's indefensible tactics

2007-07-19 20:53:42
263.   Bluebleeder87
a robbit is loose, nice double
2007-07-19 20:53:45
264.   kadycee
Who is this Juan Pierre person? I know him not.
2007-07-19 20:54:53
265.   Retire 55
I know it's a sabermetrically incorrect thing to hope for, but I hope Pierre can keep up his second half play given that Grittle will play him seven days a week no matter what
2007-07-19 20:54:53
266.   regfairfield
Is there any baseball fan that believes they have a good manager?
2007-07-19 20:55:36
267.   Retire 55
I sure hope Pierre can keep this up.
2007-07-19 20:56:15
268.   Bob Timmermann
Look if people wish to string up Grady Little by the highest yardarm, have at it.

But I've cornered the yardarm market too.

2007-07-19 20:56:22
269.   Retire 55
oops!

266- Yes, and they're only a 45 minute trip down I-5

2007-07-19 20:58:40
270.   Bob Timmermann
266
The city of Detroit believes Jim Leyland can do no wrong.

Then again the city of St. Louis thinks Tony La Russa can do no right even after winning the World Series over a team managed by Leyland.

Discuss. Cite examples where relevant.

2007-07-19 20:58:47
271.   regfairfield
269 This would be the guy that once did a double steal with Vlad at the plate, right?
2007-07-19 20:59:02
272.   Bluebleeder87
i feel exhausted with all the 1 thrue 3 inning hu-pla (sp)
2007-07-19 20:59:14
273.   regfairfield
270 Circle gets the square.
2007-07-19 20:59:16
274.   Robert Daeley
I'm just thinking a great deal more of the venomous folderol should be directed at the 3rd base coach rather than at the manager.
2007-07-19 20:59:29
275.   Crimson Bear
The other problem with letting Saenz hit there is that with Feliciano and Wagner in the Mets bullpen, it would be nice to get Betemit an at about in a high leverage situation against a rhp and save Olmedo and his huge splits for a lefty.
2007-07-19 20:59:48
276.   Bob Timmermann
Going to the 8th in San Diego.
2007-07-19 20:59:49
277.   Marty
I think the Angels have lost two games getting caught stealing and down one run.
2007-07-19 21:00:05
278.   Retire 55
It would be the guy who crushed the Gnats in '02. I think we can all agree that that's nothing to sneeze at.
2007-07-19 21:00:38
279.   Icaros
This ump is giving Sele strikes everywhere.
2007-07-19 21:00:56
280.   overkill94
Come on Gonzo, that was right there
2007-07-19 21:01:29
281.   Marty
We all know who won that series. Dusty Baker's kid.
2007-07-19 21:01:52
282.   Bob Timmermann
Young's ERA is down to 1.85 now.
2007-07-19 21:02:18
283.   overkill94
Plus, it's not nearly as hard to manage in the AL due to that crazy DH thing
2007-07-19 21:02:43
284.   regfairfield
278 Scoscia's three run bomb in game six certainly was memorable.

There are a few blatantly bad managers out there, the rest are all pretty much the same. I can't fault Grady, let alone call him the worst manager in baseball, for doing the same stupid things everyone else does.

2007-07-19 21:03:08
285.   imperabo
I wonder what umpires say to players who argue ball and strikes. How many variations of "I call em like I see em" are there?
2007-07-19 21:03:22
286.   Bluebleeder87
279

you know what though, it was pretty neat to watch. It was pretty good pitching from Sele he schooled Gonzalez we have to admit.

2007-07-19 21:03:38
287.   Bob Timmermann
283
But Mike Scioscia brings an "NL sensibility" to the Angels!
2007-07-19 21:06:19
288.   Marty
Seattle's breathing down the Angels neck and they just sent their best pitcher from last year down because he's forgotten how to pitch. If you are an Angel fan, you are anxious right now.
2007-07-19 21:07:25
289.   overkill94
I haven't heard anyone use the Grabowski Principle in a while. Y'all are slippin'!
2007-07-19 21:09:16
290.   Telemachos
Walking Aaron Sele is a lynchable offense.
2007-07-19 21:09:29
291.   Bob Timmermann
289
The Grabowski Principle was retired when Steve stopped coming by.
2007-07-19 21:09:58
292.   Bob Timmermann
290
Can I interest you in a yardarm?
2007-07-19 21:10:41
293.   Bob Timmermann
Going to the bottom of the 8th in San Diego.
2007-07-19 21:11:43
294.   Lexinthedena
I have a feeling this is gonna be one of those tease games....keep getting close, keep letting it go....

Then again I thought that about the 4 home run game...

2007-07-19 21:12:04
295.   Telemachos
Argh. This is really one of those annoying games.
2007-07-19 21:12:33
296.   overkill94
291 I think I'll pour a little out for our fallen comrade
2007-07-19 21:14:02
297.   Retire 55
I feel pretty bad for Colletti, actually. The guy went out of his way to put together a very deep pitching staff and all of the sudden it appears that he didn't do nearly enough.
2007-07-19 21:14:24
298.   Lexinthedena
Beltran is less buff than in years past...
2007-07-19 21:14:53
299.   Bob Timmermann
The Padres have just picked up their third hit. So they will not become the first team to win four games in a season when they had two or fewer hits.

Tonight.

2007-07-19 21:17:01
300.   Xeifrank
About 70 comments too late, just logged on... but what the heck was Nomar thinking. You call yourself a veteran and you make a bonehead baserunning play like that. Sheesh!
vr, Xei
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2007-07-19 21:18:06
301.   Lexinthedena
This ump is wack...
2007-07-19 21:18:31
302.   Xeifrank
So are you guys going to wear pretty pink nametags to the DT game? :)
vr, Xei
2007-07-19 21:20:43
303.   Xeifrank
When I first turned the game on, I took a quick look at the score and saw the 5 next to the LAD and thought the 9 next to the NYM was a 0, and thought oh great we are up 5-zip, we got this game won. Then Vin said something about 9 and I looked again, then a few seconds later Nomar made me sick.
vr, Xei
2007-07-19 21:20:47
304.   Bob Timmermann
Clear the decks! We're going to the bottom of the 9th in San Diego! Padres 1, Phillies 0.

Hoffman to face Howard to lead it off.

2007-07-19 21:21:20
305.   Jon Weisman
I can't believe Mike Napoli has completed an entire stint on the DL since the Angels' last home run. Napoli hit it.
2007-07-19 21:21:52
306.   Bluebleeder87
didn't Oliver Perez pitch last year on our DT get together? ha, we must mist him by one game.
2007-07-19 21:22:05
307.   Jon Weisman
302 - In honor of Molly Ringwald.
2007-07-19 21:24:52
308.   Xeifrank
307. haha!

That attempt at digging out the bad throw by DelGado was pretty lame. vr, Xei

2007-07-19 21:25:15
309.   imperabo
We should all have as much fun at our jobs as Reyes.
2007-07-19 21:25:22
310.   Bob Timmermann
Howard caught looking on a changeup for the first out.
2007-07-19 21:25:44
311.   Xeifrank
wow, gift run.
vr, Xei
2007-07-19 21:26:01
312.   King of the Hobos
Howard K's looking on a pitch on the inside corner. Wasn't especially happy about the call either.
2007-07-19 21:27:34
313.   Bob Timmermann
Rowand walks.
2007-07-19 21:28:17
314.   trainwreck
Just give Betemit the third base job. This is getting old.
2007-07-19 21:28:19
315.   Bluebleeder87
TC must be pretty happy seeing that nice rope from Betemit in the loge section.
2007-07-19 21:29:38
316.   Bob Timmermann
Burrell singles Rowand to second and Dobbs is pinch hitting.
2007-07-19 21:29:47
317.   overkill94
Old Man alert!
2007-07-19 21:31:15
318.   Bob Timmermann
Dobbs whiffs on a changeup that bounced about a foot in front of the plate.
2007-07-19 21:32:45
319.   Bob Timmermann
Ruiz whiffs and the Padres win 1-0.

Stand by for minutiae on The Griddle.

2007-07-19 21:33:20
320.   Andrew Shimmin
How long do you have to leave a player in the minors before recalling him, if you demote him from the major league team? We've got three guys with options in the bullpen; it seems like there could be some rotation where they get worked hard for a week (if needed, Ch-i forbid), then sent down for two. Is there a dime's worth of difference between Hull, Stults, Houlton, Hernandez, Hammes, and maybe even Megrew? The last two are significantly younger, but they're all fringe players, right now, right?

Leaving pitchers in to die is bad for the player, and bad for the team, no matter how much the bullpen has pitched that week.

2007-07-19 21:33:47
321.   kadycee
Demoralizing, to say the least.
2007-07-19 21:33:51
322.   King of the Hobos
I think Seanez has pitched just a little too much lately.
2007-07-19 21:33:53
323.   trainwreck
This game is ridonkulous.
2007-07-19 21:34:04
324.   Xeifrank
Gameday must be broke, it says that every Met player is hitting a homerun.
vr, Xei
2007-07-19 21:34:10
325.   Bluebleeder87
you can't really blame Seanez he pretty much is running on fumes.
2007-07-19 21:34:43
326.   Xeifrank
I blame Marlon Anderson, he must've gave scouting reports on all of our pitchers.
vr, Xei
2007-07-19 21:34:54
327.   dkminnick
We got Roberto Hernandez for what situations exactly?
2007-07-19 21:36:45
328.   Xeifrank
12-7, the Mets are going to regret going for and missing that two point conversion. Dodgers can now win with a TD or two field goals. vr, Xei
2007-07-19 21:37:05
329.   Bluebleeder87
oral high gene check from Seanez into glove there.
2007-07-19 21:38:00
330.   CanuckDodger
Chris Young is a nice example of how minor league record CAN be useless in determining potential. Young did not make Double A until he was 24. And he was still in Double A when he was 25, with a 4.48 ERA, 94 H's and 9 HR's given up in 88 innings, and 75 K's to 31 BB's. If we had a 25-year-old starting pitcher in Jacksonville with that record right now, I'm sorry, he's not making my Top 30 prospect list.
2007-07-19 21:38:41
331.   Jon Weisman
When Seanez goes down for the season, it won't be hard to trace the cause of the wear and tear, it seems.
2007-07-19 21:41:10
332.   kadycee
Go, Russ.
2007-07-19 21:41:40
333.   King of the Hobos
Watching Delgado play defense makes me very happy that the Dodgers have Loney.
2007-07-19 21:42:49
334.   natepurcell
wheres the 5 run homerun!!?!?!
2007-07-19 21:43:07
335.   overkill94
Hit or error?
2007-07-19 21:43:31
336.   natepurcell
if you read the dodgers.com notes for today, you will find out why we should pay billingsley's prep coaches a little visit.
2007-07-19 21:43:31
337.   Xeifrank
Mets defense (other than Reyes) seems to be pretty awful. vr, Xei
2007-07-19 21:45:13
338.   overkill94
So Nomar's on pace for what, 3 3/4 homers?
2007-07-19 21:45:54
339.   Robert Daeley
337 Isn't Wright pretty decent?
2007-07-19 21:47:14
340.   Xeifrank
339. I was alluding to tonight.
vr, Xei
2007-07-19 21:47:56
341.   natepurcell
339

not really. Beltran is pretty good in center though.

2007-07-19 21:48:39
342.   natepurcell
All hail Roberto!
2007-07-19 21:48:46
343.   overkill94
Seanez followed by Roberto Hernandez. Who's next, Jesse Orosco?
2007-07-19 21:49:01
344.   regfairfield
337 The Mets lead the league in defensive efficiency by a gigantic margin. They may not look good doing it, but they sure do catch the ball a lot.
2007-07-19 21:49:25
345.   Andrew Shimmin
338- I'll take the over. But not by much.
2007-07-19 21:50:18
346.   King of the Hobos
Hu just doubled in a run after a 10 pitch at bat.
2007-07-19 21:51:14
347.   natepurcell
Hu doubles in his 5th PA.
2007-07-19 21:51:49
348.   King of the Hobos
Delwyn only saw 2 pitches, but singled Hu in nonetheless.
2007-07-19 21:52:02
349.   Robert Daeley
Looking up Roberto Hernandez on Wikipedia:

* Roberto Hernández Ramírez (born 1943), a Mexican billionaire
* Roberto Hernandez, Jr., a Mexican sportscaster
* Roberto Hernández (baseball) (born 1964), a Puerto Rican baseball player
* Roberto Hernández (track athlete), a Cuban athlete

Combined, The Most Interesting Man in the World from the Dos Equis commercials

2007-07-19 21:52:11
350.   natepurcell
The Roberto reign has begun.
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2007-07-19 21:53:05
351.   Bluebleeder87
it's cool watching 43 year old dudes that can still pump it up to 90+mph
2007-07-19 21:53:18
352.   trainwreck
This level of success can only continue.
2007-07-19 21:55:54
353.   Andrew Shimmin
If Hendrickson is willing to change his name to Mike Marshall, and start calling the MLB Power That Be names, I might have to reconsider thinking he should be sold to a chop shop.
2007-07-19 21:55:56
354.   King of the Hobos
Assuming the Beavers can't pull off an 10 run 9th inning comeback, the Vegas kids hit pretty well:

Hu: 3-4, BB, 2B, SB, 2 E
Young: 3-5
Laroche: 2-5, HR, GIDP

2007-07-19 21:55:57
355.   kadycee
Well, I'm sure we'll win tomorrow night. Tomko's pitching.
2007-07-19 21:56:55
356.   Bob Timmermann
Old friend Tom Martin DFA'd by the Rockies.
2007-07-19 21:58:03
357.   Bluebleeder87
let's go deep Kemp
2007-07-19 21:59:27
358.   max power
Ah yes, Lurch up in the pen.

Because pitching him relief before his last start worked out so well...

2007-07-19 22:01:05
359.   Bluebleeder87
Ethier getting constant feed back on his mechanics seems be working really well for him his swings look a lot more balanced it seems even if he K's he looks better these days.
2007-07-19 22:03:20
360.   Tangled Up in Blue
358 Isn't the Max Power way just the wrong way, only much faster?
2007-07-19 22:05:10
361.   max power
Yes.

But you musn't tooouuuuuucccchhhhhh...

2007-07-19 22:08:51
362.   Andrew Shimmin
I still haven't decided whether I'm going to see the The Simpsons movie. I really like Spiderpig. But Bart's nude scene seems like exactly the kind of stunt that the writers have resorted to, in recent year, instead of being funny.
2007-07-19 22:09:25
363.   Bob Timmermann
I think we're suffering from thread fatigue.
2007-07-19 22:09:51
364.   xaphor
No matter the score, Kemp in CF always draws a smile.
2007-07-19 22:09:57
365.   Bluebleeder87
{349}

i got curious being mexican my self & looked up a google imagine of the Mex billionaire - http://tinyurl.com/2egjrc he doesn't look like the most interesting man in the world like Arte Moreno does.

2007-07-19 22:10:58
366.   Robert Daeley
363 I blame the nitpicking in the previous thread.
2007-07-19 22:11:36
367.   Andrew Shimmin
Nope. I was right the first time. Chop shop.
2007-07-19 22:11:47
368.   trainwreck
Nice to see Hendrickson is in form.
2007-07-19 22:11:47
369.   Bob Timmermann
I'm loaded with post-millenial tension though!
2007-07-19 22:11:50
370.   Tangled Up in Blue
I will definitely see The Simpsons Movie opening night. I agree the show has slipped though.
2007-07-19 22:11:52
371.   Robert Daeley
That and the ceaseless Met homers.
2007-07-19 22:12:01
372.   max power
I plan to see it. I'm not convinced that it will be any good, but I figure that after 18 or so mostly decent (if declining) years I can chance 10 bucks and 2 hours on it.
2007-07-19 22:12:48
373.   natepurcell
362

when i first saw the Spiderpig trailer i laughed so hard and couldn't stop laughing for a good 10 minutes.

2007-07-19 22:12:55
374.   regfairfield
The best part about being down by four is not being upset when Mark Hendrickson comes in.
2007-07-19 22:13:22
375.   max power
I would be even happier to give 10 bucks and 2 hours to see Hendrickson sent to this chop shop you speak of.
2007-07-19 22:13:42
376.   Jon Weisman
358 - Actually, it worked brilliantly in that he brought home a win in S.F. I'll take the tradeoff.

But we' re going to need help or some good fortune tomorrow.

2007-07-19 22:13:51
377.   trainwreck
Yeah, I will see it opening day. I expect it to be worse then the glory days, but better than the recent episodes.
2007-07-19 22:14:07
378.   regfairfield
373 Interesting, when they did the Spiderpig bit is when I pretty much decided that I would be flushing my money down the drain.
2007-07-19 22:14:41
379.   natepurcell
when you only throw 85mph or so and don't have pinpoint control, it is really hard to be a good major league pitcher.
2007-07-19 22:15:16
380.   King of the Hobos
362 I don't really recall the Bart nude scene from the commercials, but it's not like they didn't have hardcore nudity during the golden years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQmeYk2CG-s

2007-07-19 22:15:23
381.   trainwreck
I am one of the few people that do not find the SpiderPig joke extremely hilarious.
2007-07-19 22:16:41
382.   trainwreck
378
Well, I guess I am not the only one here.
2007-07-19 22:17:48
383.   Bluebleeder87
that's about as bad as i've seen Delgado look.
2007-07-19 22:19:27
384.   natepurcell
okay, 6 run inning here we go!
2007-07-19 22:19:50
385.   Bluebleeder87
381

i don't find the hummer in it either, but i'll gladly pay 10 bucks to watch a simpsons movie. they did entertain me for a good chuck of my younger youth.

2007-07-19 22:21:48
386.   Bluebleeder87
uh oh, i'm getting called out from my chick cause i didn't clean the room like i promised gotta go, hope we coma back. good night peepz.
2007-07-19 22:21:58
387.   trainwreck
I want to see the Itchy and Scratchy movie.
2007-07-19 22:22:39
388.   Bob Timmermann
I've really lost track of which player is on which team tonight now that Mota and Alomar are in the game.
2007-07-19 22:23:23
389.   Bob Timmermann
387
I forbid you from seeing that movie. Don't you want to grow up to be Chief Justice?
2007-07-19 22:26:00
390.   trainwreck
I am going to grow up to be Bang Bang Bart.
2007-07-19 22:28:19
391.   Andrew Shimmin
380- It's not in the trailer. Drudge has been banging on about it for a month.

http://tinyurl.com/ys6xda

2007-07-19 22:30:13
392.   Andrew Shimmin
391- Please excuse my failure to post a spoiler warning on that.

391 link contains spoilers

2007-07-19 22:30:51
393.   Bob Timmermann
The L.A. Dodgers haven't lost a 9-inning game with 17 hits since Opening Day 2006 in an 11-10 loss to the Braves.

The L.A. Dodgers record for most hits in a loss in a 9-inning game is 18. Once at Texas in 1997 and also in Colorado in 1996.

2007-07-19 22:32:00
394.   trainwreck
I really do not like Nomar.
2007-07-19 22:32:00
395.   Andrew Shimmin
Bob was about to become the richest yardarm profiteer in the history of the world.
2007-07-19 22:32:25
396.   Xeifrank
Nomar being an idiot on the basepaths again? There is no need to risk the out going to third base with two outs. The guy needs a talkin to. vr, Xei
2007-07-19 22:34:10
397.   natepurcell
that fb was Kemp's pitch.
2007-07-19 22:34:17
398.   Jon Weisman
Has Vin ever said "That's insane" before?
2007-07-19 22:34:24
399.   Bob Timmermann
Even if you go for extra inning games, the most hits the Dodgers have had in a losing effort is 19. One of those games was against the Mets in 1973. The Dodgers lost 7-3 in 19 innings at Dodger Stadium.
2007-07-19 22:35:40
400.   Andrew Shimmin
396- It may be an Eight Man Out situation, with Bob playing the part of Arnold Rothstein.
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2007-07-19 22:36:27
401.   Xeifrank
Slim just left the building.
vr, Xei
2007-07-19 22:37:15
402.   Xeifrank
398. Why did Vin say "insane"? Was he talking about Pierre or Nomar?
vr, Xei
2007-07-19 22:39:18
403.   Bob Timmermann
402
Nomar.

Pierre is out of the game.

2007-07-19 22:42:03
404.   Bob Timmermann
Clear the decks! We're going to the bottom of the ninth!
2007-07-19 22:42:53
405.   Icaros
Too bad Baez doesn't close for the Mets now.
2007-07-19 22:44:13
406.   Bob Timmermann
The old 3-E1!
2007-07-19 22:44:15
407.   natepurcell
ominous......
2007-07-19 22:45:39
408.   natepurcell
Merlin's Magic beats fate....for one out!
2007-07-19 22:46:30
409.   jasonungar07
Let's hit 4 straight bombs here to show Marlon up.
2007-07-19 22:46:42
410.   Xeifrank
I could go for another 4+1 moment about now... or to bed.
vr, Xei
2007-07-19 22:47:05
411.   Xeifrank
or a 2+1 moment, whatever it takes.
vr, Xei
2007-07-19 22:47:06
412.   overkill94
Dang that Merlin. I guess he got the memo that any marginal player we let go has to burn us at least once per series when he plays on his new team against us.
2007-07-19 22:47:19
413.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers ready to set an L.A. record for most hits in a loss in a 9-inning game.

I don't know the Brooklyn record, but it could be a little higher because of some of the insanely high offense eras of the 1920s and 1930s.

2007-07-19 22:47:38
414.   bryanf
WOW! I stepped away for about an hour and figured the game would be over... Hello old friend Guillermo!
2007-07-19 22:47:42
415.   jasonungar07
or 2 works.
2007-07-19 22:47:58
416.   overkill94
412 Brought to you by the Redundancy Department of Redundancy
2007-07-19 22:48:27
417.   Xeifrank
Come on Ethier, Nomar would've tagged and gone to third! vr, Xei
2007-07-19 22:50:19
418.   Xeifrank
win expectancy is 2% lowfat milk.
vr, Xei
2007-07-19 22:50:58
419.   jasonungar07
of course
2007-07-19 22:51:11
420.   Robert Daeley
Phew. Rough game.
2007-07-19 22:51:39
421.   Xeifrank
Neighbor teens have chosen 1050pm to get drunk and have a loud outdoor party.
vr, Xei
2007-07-19 22:52:20
422.   Xeifrank
Atleast we have stopper Tomko going tomorrow and Pierre's consecutive game streak is still alive. vr, Xei
2007-07-19 22:52:23
423.   trainwreck
I am tired just from watching that game.
2007-07-19 22:53:11
424.   scooplew
I'm late to the party. What did Nomar do that Vin characterized as "insane"?
2007-07-19 22:53:18
425.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers are the first 19-hit loser in the majors in a 9-inning game since Baltimore did it on July 29, 2006, when they got 19 hits in a 13-11 loss to the White Sox.

Seven days earlier on July 22, the Orioles got 22 hits in a 9-inning loss to Tampa Bay 13-12.

2007-07-19 22:54:00
426.   Andrew Shimmin
421- At least they're not watching t.v., am I right?
2007-07-19 22:54:27
427.   Andrew Shimmin
424- Nearly got thrown out a third. Again.
2007-07-19 22:54:28
428.   NorCal-Dodger
At least we won the game of futility..Out hit them 19-16 and out LOB them 13-6.
2007-07-19 22:54:35
429.   Robert Daeley
On the plus side, my MLB 07: The Show (and Tron soundtrack CD) have arrived from Amazon.

They have added the Eephus and Gyroball pitches, amongst others.

2007-07-19 22:55:33
430.   trainwreck
lol I am watching Victoria Beckham's show and she is meeting Tommy Lasorda and they have to keep repeating to Tommy what her name is.
2007-07-19 22:56:11
431.   Robert Daeley
424 It wasn't Nomar -- with (at the time) 18 hits, Vin was referring to Andre Ethier on deck might represent the tying run.
2007-07-19 22:56:15
432.   Xeifrank
426. Nope, just underaged drinking, lots of yelling and screaming, dogs barking and probably the cops coming soon. vr, Xei
2007-07-19 22:57:11
433.   Xeifrank
Nomar's baserunning was insane. Not sure what Vin was calling insane, but Nomar was an idiot out on the basepaths tonight. He would've got yelled at even if it were a Little League game. vr, Xei
2007-07-19 23:05:04
434.   Dodgers49
115. 107 According to Army Archerd, the producers either made either no attempt or an extremely weak attempt to contact Scully for the documentary.

The link also mentions Tommy Lasorda. But it seems to me an even more glaring omission than Lasorda was Don Newcombe. Yet nobody seems to be asking why Newk wasn't interviewed. Of course, each of the three is currently employed by the Dodgers so I wondered if that had anything to do with it.

2007-07-19 23:06:44
435.   Icaros
433

Do you think he can hit a ball Little League home run distance?

2007-07-19 23:06:53
436.   Bob Timmermann
434
A NY Times article yesterday said that Newcombe is recovering from colon surgery. He very well could have been too ill at the time for interviews.

Duke Snider didn't look very good and Clem Labine died shortly after being interviewed.

2007-07-19 23:10:04
437.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers are now on pace for 1260 LOB, which would break the LA record of 1223.
2007-07-19 23:11:11
438.   Dodgers49
127. I just saw Kuo in the dugout. I thought he would have been with the vegas club.

Kuo's option to Vegas was canceled when he admitted he felt pain in his elbow. He was placed on the Major League DL instead.

2007-07-19 23:12:26
439.   Xeifrank
435. He could probably bloop one over the fence, but he'd probably be more of a doubles hitter.

437. wow, people actually keep track of stats like that?
vr, Xei

2007-07-19 23:13:32
440.   Jon Weisman
New post up top.
2007-07-19 23:13:40
441.   Dodgers49
436. I saw the headline for that article but they wouldn't let me read it. And I didn't want to pay. :-)
2007-07-19 23:14:09
442.   Jon Weisman
439 - Where were you last season? Bob was all over this.
2007-07-19 23:16:28
443.   scooplew
433 I know what you mean, and thanks all for the explanations of Nomar's doings. I umpired a Bronco post-season tourney doubleheader today and tonight. In the last inning, down by four runs, a runner for the losing team tried to steal second with nobody out and was thrown out. Apparently, he was urged to run by the first-base coach. The next two batters were retired. Game over. They should be thankful that the game wasn't on radio.

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