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What a Difference a Week Makes

2007-09-25 17:21

by Jon Weisman

The last time the Dodgers took the field at home, they were serious National League wild-card contenders. Now, the playoffs merely represent the art of the barely possible.

The rookies are under the microscope more than ever from the media's standpoint. Strange, isn't it? Though the season is all but over, though the kids have by numerous measures excelled this season, though they actually deserve the benefit of the doubt because they have the time and ability to improve, the opposite is the case.

Dodger fans, I suspect, are mostly of a different mind. There will be those who only recognize the most recognizable, and will be disappointed to see tonight's lineup missing Nomar Garciaparra, Rafael Furcal and Luis Gonzalez. But more and more people have been exposed to Matt Kemp, James Loney, Russell Martin and friends, and are tantalized by how close the organization is to recreating the mostly homegrown champs of the 1970s and 1980s.

Everyone needs to do their best on the field. That's really the only message that needed to be sent to any player, young and old, in the tumultuous past week. Just do your best on the field. Management needs help, but it doesn't really need the players' help.

There are going to be some big decisions coming up for the Dodgers this offseason. Shortsightedness will be a killer.

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2007-09-25 18:16:03

1. Eric Enders

And those of you going to the game, remember to let Gonzo and Kent know what you thought of their comments in the media.

2007-09-25 18:16:25

2. Bob Timmermann

The Braves are doing their part to keep the Dodgers season alive.

Now the Padres have to cooperate.

And the Braves have to still not blow the lead.

2007-09-25 18:18:02

3. Eric Enders

Speaking of the Braves, what's the latest on Willy Aybar? Is he still in rehab?

2007-09-25 18:18:54

4. regfairfield

3 Drug or physical? I think he tore his ACL when he tried to come back.

2007-09-25 18:20:40

5. Frip

331 "Befuddled" is way the wrong word. Vin makes a few mistakes, but is a long way from befuddled.

Good word though, find a correct application for it and you'll be slicker than grease.

2007-09-25 18:22:47

6. Eric Enders

He does appear befuddled sometimes, I think. Not that it makes him anything less than great. But during the Colorado series he called Omar Quintanilla "Carlos" seven times in one game.

2007-09-25 18:24:01

7. Bob Timmermann

6
I think I'm more impressed that you kept count.

2007-09-25 18:25:01

8. D4P

I think I'm more impressed that you kept count

Eric has no problem counting. It's the acronyms that do him in.

2007-09-25 18:25:16

9. Jimi Shelter

Well then, Omar should change his name! :-) Just kidding. Sorta....

2007-09-25 18:26:14

10. ToyCannon

I am befuddled by how many athletes love to shoot living things as their main hobby.

2007-09-25 18:27:15

11. Frip

6 That's not befuddled, that's not knowing a guy's name.

2007-09-25 18:27:23

12. Jimi Shelter

Check me on this, but I heard that 74% of the time, when people throw numbers out like that, they are just making them up. Or maybe it was 76% of the time.

2007-09-25 18:27:47

13. Eric Enders

7 Quintanilla's a local player, so I follow what he does. He played with and against my brother in various high school and all-star games. Plus he helped the Longhorns win the College World Series.

2007-09-25 18:29:25

14. D4P

I am befuddled by how many athletes love to shoot living things as their main hobby

Not to mention non-athletes. Dave Barry had a great column in the past decade on hunting. It started out something like "I don't 'get' hunting'".

2007-09-25 18:30:23

15. ToyCannon

Was this the best game of the year by Dontrelle?

Brewers should win out against the Cardinals and Padres.

2007-09-25 18:31:27

16. Eric Enders

14 For the record, I am 100% against athletes shooting non-athletes as a hobby.

2007-09-25 18:33:17

17. D4P

BTW: I opened a can of lentil soup tonight from WholeFoods that said "Best before 12/08/08". The quotes were on the can.

2007-09-25 18:34:13

18. D4P

16
How bout as an occupation?

2007-09-25 18:35:05

19. Eric Enders

18 As long as they're properly licensed, then hey, it's cool with me.

2007-09-25 18:36:25

20. Eric Enders

"Don't get me started on people putting quote marks around things that are not quotations. It's another item on my seemingly endless list of pet peeves."

2007-09-25 18:40:31

21. Bob Timmermann

Jorge Velandia hit a grand slam in Tampa Bay to help turn around a 5-1 Yankee lead into a 6-5 Tampa Bay lead.

THE Jorge Velandia.

2007-09-25 18:41:52

22. D4P

20
I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN.

2007-09-25 18:43:53

23. Linkmeister

20 A blog just for that pet peeve:

http://quotation-marks.blogspot.com/

2007-09-25 18:44:23

24. Bob Timmermann

Ryan Howard at bat, going for the record...

Ron Mahay is on the mound...

2007-09-25 18:44:48

25. Bob Timmermann

And Howard lines out. The K count stays at 195.

2007-09-25 18:45:22

26. Jimi Shelter

20.

Abuse of plural's is on my list too.

2007-09-25 18:46:11

27. D4P

23
Awesome. I should photograph my soup can and send it to them.

2007-09-25 18:46:17

28. Eric Enders

Jorge Velandia has the 11th-worst career OPS+ in the history of baseball. (Non-pitchers, at least 150 games played)

2007-09-25 18:47:56

29. Bluebleeder87

your tempting the JoeyPs of the world to do just that!

2007-09-25 18:51:15

30. scareduck

Hopefully this doesn't qualify as a Rule 8 violation, but since I posted after Jon's comment that there was a new post up top -- John Henry has bought Frank McCourt's Brookline, MA mansion for $16M and is tearing it down to make an even bigger one.

http://tinyurl.com/yt8rm7

I'm not sure but I think it's some kind of statment.

2007-09-25 18:52:01

31. Bob Timmermann

Arizona has scored four times in the eighth to tie it in Pittsburgh 5-5.

2007-09-25 18:52:10

32. scareduck

30 - s-t-a-t-e-m-e-n-t.

2007-09-25 18:52:13

33. Bluebleeder87

by the way, about an hour ago I put my vote in for Takashi Saito as DHL Delivery Man of the Year, It's the least I can do to show my appreciation.

2007-09-25 18:53:23

34. Ghost of Carlos Perez

20
Using the word "loose" when you mean "lose."

2007-09-25 18:53:43

35. D4P

33
I can do even less.

2007-09-25 18:53:46

36. Bob Timmermann

The grand slam was Jorge Velandia's first major league home run.

2007-09-25 18:54:09

37. Eric Enders

The whole concept of DHL Delivery Man of the Year is a joke. If closers were really like DHL, they'd either constantly lose the ball, or throw it to the wrong place all the time. Or forget to pick it up in the first place.

2007-09-25 18:54:45

38. Jon Weisman

Rick Monday just spent five minutes interviewing Rich Donnelly, with both agreeing that chemistry is overrated and winning takes care of it all.

Donnelly says he believes in "team math" over "team chemistry" - in other words, "the math of a three-run home run."

I swear, if you heard this interview, you'd be ready to make Donnelly manager and let someone else wave all those runners to their doom.

Just one interview, though.

2007-09-25 18:54:54

39. Eric Enders

34 I have wondered why nobody ever makes that mistake in the opposite direction.

2007-09-25 18:55:09

40. Frip

Quotation marks serve as an easy shorthand when you want to sum up another viewpoint quickly.

The only problem I have with them is when they're used to distance oneself from ideas or terms that one actually does believe in, but doesn't want to sound bad. For instance:

Doctors are thought to be "smarter" or more "sophisticated" than the rest of us.

2007-09-25 18:58:12

41. Eric Enders

That quotation mark blog is a riot. By far my favorite is this one, which is far more accurate than it intends to be:
http://quotation-marks.blogspot.com/2007/09/really-its-more-of-rule.html

2007-09-25 18:58:51

42. Bluebleeder87

I just use them when ever I feel like it, sorry Eric it's just the way I flow.

2007-09-25 19:00:15

43. Bluebleeder87

that was a good one.

2007-09-25 19:01:19

44. KG16

This is the first game I'm watching in about a week. It's mainly because of the line up.

I don't have a "position" on the quotation marks issue. (couldn't help it)

2007-09-25 19:02:01

45. trainwreck

38
Donnelly to the bench and Jauss to third!

2007-09-25 19:05:55

46. Bluebleeder87

I was just checking Ubaldo Jimenez splits, He's been pretty steady at 3 or 2 ER per start the last couple of weeks, hopefully we break the spell.

2007-09-25 19:06:07

47. KG16

What's the proper importance rating for chemistry in baseball?

I'll agree that it's definitely overrated in the World According to ESPN™, but I think those who say it doesn't matter at all are underrating it. I'm just wondering where it really fits in the grand scheme of things...

2007-09-25 19:06:28

48. Bob Timmermann

Folks, I'm often asked about my qualilifications. Well, I may not
have a lot of "credentials" or "training", but I tell you one thing: I'm a Ph.D. in pain. Now let me show you how you can
change your life.

2007-09-25 19:08:18

49. Bob Timmermann

The Pirates reclaim the lead against the DBacks. The Braves appear headed for a win in Philadelphia.

And the NL Wild Card could be headed for a three-way tie.

Unless you believe in the healing power of the Tomko!

2007-09-25 19:10:46

50. Ghost of Carlos Perez

Can anyone give me a good way of comparing OPS? That is, how much better is a guy with 750 vs. 800? How many runs difference?

I tend to judge a player's worth based on OPS, but I realize I don't have much context for the stat.

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2007-09-25 19:12:25

51. Frip

Tomko doesn't sound like a real last name, it sounds like a nickname for real last name.

2007-09-25 19:13:37

52. Ghost of Carlos Perez

Tomko is real alright. He started the only game I went to this year (I think I've griped about that before).

2007-09-25 19:13:52

53. Eric Enders

50 If you want to deal with actual runs, then Runs Created is a better stat to use. You can find that in the second tier of stats on everyone's BB-Reference page.

2007-09-25 19:15:47

54. Gen3Blue

Nice arm at third!

2007-09-25 19:18:25

55. Gen3Blue

Ubaldo--mind if I call you Jose. At my age it's easier to remember.

2007-09-25 19:19:20

56. Gen3Blue

Good, we have made him throw at least two pitches, for two outs.

2007-09-25 19:19:32

57. JoeyP

This lineup would be fine if Pierre was moved to 8th and everyone else moved up.

2007-09-25 19:20:02

58. StolenMonkey86

From the chat:
bradalban: What adjustments are you going to make for next season?

LaRoche: I'd say probably my approach at the plate. I can't be quite as aggressive, because they have scouting reports, so I'll probably have to be a little more patient or selective at the plate.

More patient or selective? How about LaRoche for leadoff man?

2007-09-25 19:20:36

59. Frip

I'm partially color blind but those seats directly behind home plate seem a particularly ugly shade of green.

2007-09-25 19:20:54

60. MJW101

LATed from last thread.

Since we are in wind down mode I am rooting for Milwaukee and Toronto to finish #14th and #15th with LAD at #16 to secure our #1 draft position.

Then Ned can sign whatever over-the-hill FA he wants to without costing us our #1 choice.

2007-09-25 19:22:05

61. Bob Timmermann

59
They're actually an ugly shade of brown.

2007-09-25 19:22:31

62. Gen3Blue

I swear that first pitch to Kent was a strike to Loney , or an eqiuv. right hander.
One of the perks of being a vet.

2007-09-25 19:22:52

63. regfairfield

58 I'd love to see it. I petitioned hard for leading off Jayson Werth back in the day.

2007-09-25 19:26:06

64. Bluebleeder87

I wonder if anybody asked him about Diamond Lungs comments.

2007-09-25 19:27:38

65. Frip

Nissan ads have become so crazy macho aggressive that I've become, I don't know, afraid I guess.

2007-09-25 19:38:22

66. StolenMonkey86

Looking in the news, old friend Danys Baez is getting Tommy John.

2007-09-25 19:38:37

67. natepurcell

LaRoche: Yeah. I've got a couple funny stories from there but it doesn't really involve these guys. One time we were coming home from the game and we saw a dead alligator in the middle of the road so we took it and brought it back to the house. DY (Dewlyn Young) was in the shower and we put it in the shower and shook the tail like it was alive. That scared him pretty good. Another guy on the team Jamal Hamilton, he wasn't home, so we put it under his sheet on his bed and he screamed like a little girl when he came home and found it.

soooo, they need to do that to Kent next year.

2007-09-25 19:40:22

68. natepurcell

Jiminez has nasty stuff tonight.

2007-09-25 19:41:03

69. Bob Timmermann

The Mets won't go down without a fight. They've cut the lead to 10-6 with two on and one out in the 9th against the Nats. Cordero is facing Beltran.

2007-09-25 19:41:04

70. Bluebleeder87

I just checked & nobody asked him (or maybe the question didn't make it to the chat) I really hope he changes that if he stays with us, it's a shame when a guy has the god givin ability & doesn't maximize his talents.

2007-09-25 19:41:15

71. Gen3Blue

Hu's on first?

2007-09-25 19:43:03

72. Bob Timmermann

Bases loaded for Alou in the 9th at Shea.

2007-09-25 19:44:20

73. Bluebleeder87

Vinnie "Hu was left"

2007-09-25 19:44:51

74. Bob Timmermann

Alou clears the bases with a double to make it 10-9 Nats. Delgado batting with out.

Nats lead 10-3 starting the inning.

2007-09-25 19:48:34

75. Bluebleeder87

I'd love to see James Loney pitch one of these days, I'd think he'd be steady at 88-93MPH.

2007-09-25 19:49:36

76. Bluebleeder87

Wow, Pierres arm is just a flat out joke.

2007-09-25 19:49:38

77. KG16

ugh, that's an ugly two runs for Colorado

2007-09-25 19:50:09

78. scareduck

Two throwing errors on that play? Did I hear Vinny right?

2007-09-25 19:50:13

79. natepurcell

that was quick!

2007-09-25 19:50:25

80. Bob Timmermann

Old friend Dave Roberts doubles in a run to give the Giants a 1-0 lead.

2007-09-25 19:50:48

81. KG16

78 - I can't imagine that Either's counts as an error, Martin's is for sure.

2007-09-25 19:51:15

82. Bob Timmermann

Heart and Soul faces Gigantor with the tying on third and two outs in New York.

2007-09-25 19:51:37

83. scareduck

78 - an error to Martin, none to Slappy. Pity.

2007-09-25 19:52:01

84. Frip

One reason it's good not to make the playoffs is you get to laugh at fiasco plays like that, instead of getting mad.

2007-09-25 19:52:04

85. Bob Timmermann

And there is no joy in Flushing. Heart and Soul pops out to end the game.

2007-09-25 19:52:15

86. MMSMikey

ubaldo is going to scalp the dodgers again

2007-09-25 19:54:14

87. scooplew

Inquiring minds want to know. How did two runs score on a single?

2007-09-25 19:55:40

88. KG16

87 - runner going from first, ran on Ethier in left. Ethier's throw was short, Martin threw to second as runner tried to advance. Throw hit runner and skipped into centerfield. Pierre's throw was nowhere near in time.

2007-09-25 19:56:08

89. scareduck

Wowsers. A three-way tie possibility for the Wild Card?

2007-09-25 19:56:32

90. Andrew Shimmin

87- Ethier threw home, hitter going to second on the throw. Martin tried to throw him out at second, but the ball went into CF. CF is where Pierre plays.

2007-09-25 19:57:04

91. scooplew

So the throw from Ethier went all the way home? Was Matsui's hit a double?

2007-09-25 19:57:04

92. Bob Timmermann

4-0 Giants.

There are reporst of a pumpkin being spotted on the mound at AT&T Park.

2007-09-25 19:57:12

93. sporky

88 - That sounds even worse than it looked.

2007-09-25 19:57:51

94. Dark Horse

83-Slappy's throw took about twenty-six bounces before reaching Martin's glove, too. What a useless, useless, useless player.

I was a Pierre agnostic going into this season (meaning, I believed we could survive with him in the line-up) but my eyes are now wide open. Ugh.

2007-09-25 19:58:38

95. sporky

91 - Ethier's throw was just short. Matsui hit a single, and had a stolen base (according to Vin). I may be hearing/seeing things, though.

2007-09-25 19:58:50

96. KG16

91 - Martin caught it, maybe five feet in front of the plate.

Matsui's hit should have been a single, he was advancing on throw home

93 - that says a lot, because it was very ugly to watch

2007-09-25 19:59:23

97. sporky

95 - Just kidding; no SB.

2007-09-25 19:59:30

98. Benjamin Miracord

92 Midnight has struck for Mr. Tomko?

2007-09-25 20:00:36

99. sporky

Is it wrong that I'm enjoying a Tomko implosion?

2007-09-25 20:00:41

100. D4P

I bet Kent grounded out there on purpose so Loney couldn't score a run and pad his stats.

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2007-09-25 20:01:06

101. scareduck

94 - Not me. My wife is a Cubs fan.

2007-09-25 20:01:07

102. nick

reposted from the other thread:
that second Rockies run....what can you say?....video of Pierre re. that run should be mailed in brown paper packages to every member of the LA media...

2007-09-25 20:01:43

103. scareduck

98 - my question is, what happened to the mice?

2007-09-25 20:02:32

104. KG16

Season premiere of Bones has started. My real dilemma is at 900 pm, House or Eureka...

2007-09-25 20:02:34

105. scareduck

99 - schadenfreude is a dish best served with paprika and scallions.

2007-09-25 20:03:27

106. MikeB

That Dodgers commercial is making more sense now.
Jeff Kent is toast.

2007-09-25 20:04:39

107. Bluebleeder87

I use to get a kick out of watching Donte Bichette (sp) & company hit warning track shots (Dodger Stadium) & the puzzled look on there faces I guess I was a little bitter about some of the losses we had in Colorado against them.

2007-09-25 20:04:41

108. Sam DC

That scared him pretty good.

Well, yeah, I can imagine that.

2007-09-25 20:04:46

109. Gen3Blue

From what I've seen of this Jimanez dude, I think he is almostunhittable if he doesn't wild himself out.

Penny should also be, but it often doesn't seem so. With his awesome velocity, I'm afraid his pitches look mighty straight.

2007-09-25 20:06:09

110. scareduck

106 - a perfect interpretation that is blinding in both simplicity and accuracy.

2007-09-25 20:06:35

111. Frip

I'm hoping Cane won't be totally stupid because I really like Jimmy Smits. I've a feeling it's going to be dumb though.

2007-09-25 20:06:56

112. scooplew

88 , 90 , 95 , 96 Thanks all. I am just glad that I didn't witness it in person. It is remarkable enough just reading about it.

2007-09-25 20:07:31

113. sporky

106 - So Hendrickson's lunch box commercial means he'll be packing it in?

Penny is out of control.

2007-09-25 20:10:16

114. MikeB

113 - "If wishes were horses then beggars would ride . . ."

2007-09-25 20:11:56

115. Samhain

20 23 40

Misuse of quotation marks is my personal hot button.

One of the most glaring errors I have ever seen was a sign at the Sherman Oaks Trader Joe's that stated:
"Actor" George Kennedy here Friday to sign his new book.

A two-fer: quotation marks misuse AND an insult to a guest. (shakes head)

Before anyone here disses G. Kennedy, let me say I think he was wonderful in "Cool Hand Luke" and "Charade" (at least)...

2007-09-25 20:12:49

116. Bluebleeder87

that's the 2nd time Jimenez, watch out bro!

2007-09-25 20:15:35

117. Andrew Shimmin

115- I'll just assume you meant to add Dirty Dozen to your list, but accidentally hit submit before you got a chance.

2007-09-25 20:15:42

118. scareduck

It's amazing to me how all over the map the opinions of Troy Tulowitzki are. He's been pretty impressive defensively from what I've seen.

2007-09-25 20:15:57

119. Robert Daeley

Hu's your daddy?!

2007-09-25 20:16:20

120. MMSMikey

theres gotta be someone who will take furcal off our hands.

2007-09-25 20:16:20

121. natepurcell

huuuuuuuu!

2007-09-25 20:16:21

122. sporky

YES!!

2007-09-25 20:16:29

123. Bluebleeder87

Little Hu apparently has some pop!

2007-09-25 20:16:51

124. Vishal

Hu's your daddy!@!!

2007-09-25 20:16:52

125. scareduck

Hu's on first ... and second ... and third ... now home plate.

Woot!

2007-09-25 20:17:02

126. Vishal

119 damn.

2007-09-25 20:17:33

127. Bluebleeder87

that thing would have been half way up the bleachers at Colorado...

2007-09-25 20:17:35

128. scareduck

120 - he's injured. I wouldn't worry about it unless he's like this next year, too.

2007-09-25 20:17:36

129. DodgerGrl22

Hu's in the House!

2007-09-25 20:17:57

130. Robert Daeley

126 That typing class in high school sure paid off. ;)

2007-09-25 20:18:39

131. Sam DC

Boy the espn guys had some fun there. "Who hit that home run." "Hu." "Who?" "Hu did." "Yes, who hit the homer." Hu, that's who."

Good stuff.

For a time.

2007-09-25 20:18:55

132. Gen3Blue

I hear Hu is at least as good as Furcal defensively, and he isn't far behind Furc on the offense. Perhaps He could back up Furc for a year or even more, but