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The Pause That Refreshes: Russell Martin
2007-09-26 17:10
by Jon Weisman

In this kidney stone of a September, let's all take a moment and thank our lucky stars for Russell Martin, winner of the Dodgers' Roy Campanella Award for Most Inspirational Player.

Thanks for everything, Russell.

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2007-09-26 17:16:33
1.   Frip
LAT'D

Colleti: "I will not trade [the kids] for a chance to win for one year. But for a chance to win for many years? I'd do it in a heartbeat."

For a former PR guy he's completely tone deaf. No feel for how he comes across. "I'd do it in a heartbeat". I can't think of a better phrase to use if you want your (young) players to feel like they're nothing but objects and un-cared about. Way to build unity and team spirit you buffoon. Go wash cars.

Right or wrong, at the very least, this was a completely unnecessary way to put it. Especially right now

2007-09-26 17:21:07
2.   scareduck
1 - where did you read this?
2007-09-26 17:21:23
3.   Jon Weisman
1 - I agree. Plus, as someone mentioned earlier, the whole point of a great kid is that he's usually the multiyear winning option.
2007-09-26 17:21:36
4.   Jon Weisman
2 - Plaschke today.
2007-09-26 17:22:03
5.   scareduck
2 - never mind. Ugh.
2007-09-26 17:24:03
6.   Jon Weisman
But anyway ... Russell Martin!
2007-09-26 17:25:59
7.   CarlosDeC
I wonder if Plaschke wants us to trade him too?
2007-09-26 17:26:02
8.   StolenMonkey86
Le capitaine!
2007-09-26 17:27:21
9.   Eric Enders
The most important question of the day is a pressing issue almost a year old...
Is Russell Martin the Golden God, Backstop Bacon, Blue Trane, or Russeldinho?
2007-09-26 17:27:24
10.   regfairfield
He inspired me to buy tickets to several Dodger games.
2007-09-26 17:28:32
11.   scareduck
6 -

Reds fan, Feb. 2000: Ken Griffey, Jr.!
Rangers fan, Jan. 2001: A-Rod!

I could go on. Sadly, one player does not a good team make.

2007-09-26 17:29:16
12.   Bluebleeder87
Martin's 21 steals are the most by a Dodger catcher in a season in franchise history, a record previously held by Con Daily for 115 years.

that last tid bit is just flat out freaky/awesome, wow.

2007-09-26 17:29:32
13.   Prescott Pete
I vote Russeldinho. It's a blue thing.
2007-09-26 17:31:17
14.   Eric Enders
Dear Russell: Please consider hitting two homers in the next four games. Thank you.
2007-09-26 17:31:24
15.   Frip
I thought it was totally mature of Martin to respond to this controversy the way he did. This guy is all about PLAYING THE GAME. The rest to him is chicken feed. The vets should learn a lesson from HIM.
2007-09-26 17:31:26
16.   Humma Kavula
9 Captain Coltrane!
2007-09-26 17:31:28
17.   Bluebleeder87
8

El Oso De Oro!™

2007-09-26 17:32:33
18.   Humma Kavula
Russell Martin -- All-Star catcher Russell Martin -- had better be the centerpiece of the Dodgers' advertising campaign next year.
2007-09-26 17:32:42
19.   Howard Fox
14 he'll take it under advisement
2007-09-26 17:32:53
20.   StolenMonkey86
11 - Speaking of A-Rod, this quote:

"We would be in third or fourth place if it weren't for the young players," Alex Rodriguez said recently. "They are the foundation of our team."

Article:
Rookies adding to teams' playoff push - Clubs leaning toward callups rather than trading for veterans

Link:
http://tinyurl.com/2jd9uo

2007-09-26 17:33:27
21.   Eric Enders
17 Isn't that Jeff Kent?
2007-09-26 17:34:08
22.   underdog
Russell is Double Nickels on the Dime (okay, that's for all you Minutemen fans out there). But he wears 55 so there's something there. BlueTrane works for me.
2007-09-26 17:34:53
23.   Eric Enders
I can't remember who it was, but kudos to whoever suggested that the Dodgers' TV marketing campaign should consist of Martin saying "Hi, I'm Russell Martin. If you come out to Dodger Stadium, you get to watch me play baseball."
2007-09-26 17:35:35
24.   Humma Kavula
20 "Rodriguez continued, 'The Dodgers, on the other hand, though they have great, young talent, would be in fourth place without me -- oh, wait, they don't have me. Oh. Sorry.'"
2007-09-26 17:35:40
25.   natepurcell
20

Good, he is already preparing for LA next year.

2007-09-26 17:35:42
26.   Icaros
I wish Colletti was an avid fan of extreme sports. Lots of skydiving, bungee-jumping, restraintless rock-climbing, helmetless mountainbiking, etc.

Something good could come of that eventually, but he's probably another Al Bundy when he gets home from the office.

2007-09-26 17:36:02
27.   StolenMonkey86
21 - the bear of gold? For Kent? Somehow, "El bigote arrugado" comes to mind, after playing with babelfish.
2007-09-26 17:36:33
28.   Bluebleeder87
21

I don't think so? I just kind of freestyled that one.

2007-09-26 17:36:42
29.   Eric Enders
24 Also: "As owner of the Cubs, I've decided to trade Aramis Ramirez to the Yankees in exchange for myself."
2007-09-26 17:37:24
30.   Eric Enders
27 , 28 Jeff Kent... Golden Bear...
2007-09-26 17:39:06
31.   Bob Timmermann
Russell Martin es el Dios de Oro!
2007-09-26 17:41:01
32.   Telemachos
I'd love to see an '08 marketing campaign similar to what the A's did back when they Giambi, etc: they showed the young players goofing around, acting like kids (jumping on beds, etc) with the tagline "They're young.... but they can play."

Martin is already practically the face of the franchise (and will firmly be there once Nomar gets dumped). Martin, Loney, Kemp, Ethier, Billingsley, Broxton..... have 'em all grace the side of Dodger Stadium.

2007-09-26 17:44:01
33.   Humma Kavula
Seriously, they already play The Who a lot at Dodger Stadium... why not add "The Kids are Alright" to the repertoire?
2007-09-26 17:45:03
34.   Frip
26 "restraintless rock-climing"

Really, they do that? wow

Maybe we could hire one of those advertising planes to zoom back and forth in front of Coletti's house with a RESTRAINTLESS ROCK CLIMBING! banner.

2007-09-26 17:47:40
35.   Jon Weisman
33 - I would love that.
2007-09-26 17:49:27
36.   Jimi Shelter
I teach 5th and 6th graders. In my classrroom, Russell Martin is the most popular Dodger on the team. Jackie Robinson would edge him out if we were talking all time Dodgers. My kids don't consider Russell one of the new guys. They see him as the leader. This is based on a lunch time conversation we had yesterday.
2007-09-26 17:50:29
37.   Jon Weisman
36 - That reminds me - I haven't done DT Kids Day this year. I should do that this weekend.
2007-09-26 17:53:09
38.   Jimi Shelter
33.
Great idea! But I love to hear the Who just about anytime. "My Generation" might take it a bit too far though. :-)
2007-09-26 17:55:54
39.   Branch Rickey
I don't think it was mentioned much but I really liked what Martin said in the Plaschke column:
"There are times I felt like I wanted to say something, but it's just not my time," he said. "I'm not going to be one of those young guys who talks a lot. I need to have the team's respect before I do that. And I still have to earn that respect."

I don't think anyone would blame him if he did step up but words like this show respect and are the exact sort of thing that Kent seems to be saying doesn't happen. Part of being a great leader is earning your leadership position.

2007-09-26 17:56:15
40.   KG16
My dream ad campaign next year (with it being an anniversary year and all) would be for the current crop of young guys to team up with the crew from the mid 70s/early 80s. Martin and Yeager; Garvey and Loney; Cey and LaRoche - do like a Rip Van Winkle sort of thing, guy falls asleep watching Drysdale and Koufax, wakes up to see the Big Blue Wrecking Crew, goes back to sleep until 1988, wakes up again next year with all the kids, says something like, "Yep, that looks like Dodger baseball"
2007-09-26 17:58:16
41.   Humma Kavula
38

People try to put them down (in fact, they succeed in putting them down) just because they get around (the bases)....

2007-09-26 17:58:37
42.   Jimi Shelter
37.

Jon, that would be great! I would feel very comfortable recommending this site to my school kids. As a matter of fact, this is a perfect time for me to thank you for Dodger Thoughts. It truly is my favorite place to read about the Dodgers.

2007-09-26 18:00:54
43.   Jimi Shelter
41. People try to put them down (in fact, they succeed in putting them down) just because they get around (the bases)....

True. But the "hope I die before I get old" line might really widen the rift!

2007-09-26 18:01:27
44.   Humma Kavula
43 I just hope they play before they get old.
2007-09-26 18:02:33
45.   Frip
I don't know which is harder to fathom, that The Who were huge at one time, or that Deep Purple were. I suppose a few good songs can take you a long long way.
2007-09-26 18:02:52
46.   Bluebleeder87
40

wow, that's actually pretty good KG16

2007-09-26 18:03:14
47.   Sam DC
Gulp time at Shea. Mets were up 5-0. Now they are up 6-5 in the top of the fifth, two on, no outs.

Pedro coming in to pitch.

Pedro Feliciano.

2007-09-26 18:05:00
48.   D4P
My ideal NL playoff scenario:

Phillies win East
Don't care about Central
Padres win West
Rockies win Wild Card

2007-09-26 18:07:22
49.   Jon Weisman
45 - Oh, lord.
2007-09-26 18:07:56
50.   KG16
46 - thanks, I figure if you're going to run a campaign based on 50 years in LA, you might as well use the whole 50 years, tie it all together (except the Fox years)
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2007-09-26 18:08:17
51.   Sam DC
7-6 Nationals over the Mets.

40 is a really great idea for an ad campaign. Didn't they do something a little similar where an image of Koufax pitching morphed into Ramon Martinez or something?

2007-09-26 18:10:49
52.   regfairfield
48 I want the Rockies to make the playoffs both because it would be a great story, and I'd look like Nostradamus for even giving the Rockies hope at a playoff shot.
2007-09-26 18:10:55
53.   Sam DC
45 I don't really understand. Are you saying that The Who was something other than compelling and incredible?

Does not compute.

2007-09-26 18:10:57
54.   xaphor
"The Kids Are Alright" is a better choice than Ned's pick, "I Can't Explain" or Plasche's, "Substitute".
2007-09-26 18:12:23
55.   Greg Brock
45 Whoa. Did you just take a shot at The Who?

Not cool.

2007-09-26 18:14:07
56.   oldfan60
My worst nightmare:

Kemp, Broxton, Kershaw for Cabrera. Cabrera shows up at Vero weighing 300 lbs. He plays third until the end of June and at that point it is obvious that he can't play third anymore. Ned and Grady examine the rulebook and discover there is no DH in the NL (Dang! How did that happen?). Cabrera gets moved to first. Loney is traded. We finish in fourth place, barely ahead of the Giants. Logan goes to work for another team.

2007-09-26 18:15:09
57.   Izzy
Russel is awesome! Heck, even Lieberthal knows that. Didn't the Dodger used to have a team captain back in the day? Like Lopes or somebody? I know Pee Wee was. Grady should just appoint him, because he already is and it might calm this tiresome frenzy.
2007-09-26 18:17:12
58.   scooplew
56 Wake up! Wake up!
2007-09-26 18:18:24
59.   scooplew
45 I must disagree. The Who's rock opera, Tommy, was one of most creative things ever done. I would rank them third during their time after the Beatles and the Stones, and that is very select company.
2007-09-26 18:19:43
60.   Sam DC
Greg -- I know you've had ups and downs lately, and I hope things are on a good path for you.

Is it poor form/selfish to say it's nice having you back around the place?

And not just because you stand up for The Who.

2007-09-26 18:21:37
61.   Sam DC
I really hope Milwaukee wins tonight.
2007-09-26 18:22:19
62.   scooplew
Unless he is injured, or stalking Simers, I see no reason that Kemp is not in the starting lineup tonight against righty Fogg. Even at this lost stage of the season, Little insists on playing Pierre. That is difficult to understand. He must be smitten.
2007-09-26 18:23:15
63.   Jimi Shelter
The Who put out their share of dross. But I would put their best work (and there is a lot of it) up against any rock and roll band. I saw them many times; the two most memorable were at the Forum in 1970 and in 1973. The effect was permanent! Deep Purple? I don't really know much about them, other than the hits.
2007-09-26 18:25:17
64.   Jimi Shelter
59.

This may surprise you, but I would squeeze Hendrix and the Stones into the two spot ahead of the Who.

2007-09-26 18:25:43
65.   Greg Brock
60 I'll survive. Anyway, anyhow, anywhere...
2007-09-26 18:25:45
66.   Sam DC
Man - The Who at the Forum in 1970 must have been something.
2007-09-26 18:25:49
67.   Bob Timmermann
57
Davey Lopes was the Dodgers last team captain. He quit in a huff.
2007-09-26 18:26:10
68.   Bluebleeder87
59

yeah, but there all Brits though (nothing wrong with it, just saying) how about some love for The Doors.

2007-09-26 18:27:34
69.   Eric Stephen
45 You should consult Greg Brock (he of post 55 fame) for advice when he teaches the next course in his "Against The Grain" series, entitled "How To Insult Rock & Roll Legends."

Also, why not play "The Who" for Chin Lung Hu PA? Then again, I always wanted to play "Yellow Submarine" when Byung-Hyun Kim came in to pitch.

2007-09-26 18:28:45
70.   Greg Brock
66 The Who at the Hollywood Bowl a couple of years ago was great. Even without Moon :-(
2007-09-26 18:29:48
71.   KG16
62 - Matt Kemp is not stalking Simers, he is waiting in the parking lot for Plaschke.
2007-09-26 18:31:32
72.   Sam DC
"I'm not going to be one of those young guys who talks a lot. I need to have the team's respect before I do that. And I still have to earn that respect."

I know he's Saint Russ and all, and this is his even his own personal thread, but my first reaction on reading this was that it was a veiled shot at other rookies who are talking a lot without having earned that right.

I don't strongly think it's that. I just think it could be. And folks in the locker room can probably tell right away if it is or if it's not.

2007-09-26 18:32:04
73.   Eric Enders
I don't have anything against The Who, necessarily. They had a few good songs. But I probably wouldn't put them in my top 200 bands/artists of all time.
2007-09-26 18:32:18
74.   KG16
I've always put the British rockers in a different category from their American counterparts.

British Rushmore of Rock Legends: Beatles, Stones, Who, Zeppelin

Americans: Doors, Hendrix, Dead, Joplin (even though she was really more of a blues singer)

2007-09-26 18:33:28
75.   Greg Brock
72 I wasn't super-pumped about that quote.
2007-09-26 18:33:28
76.   Bob Timmermann
I don't have anything against The Who, necessarily. They had a few good songs

And Nolan Ryan had a few strikeouts.

2007-09-26 18:33:37
77.   Jimi Shelter
66.

It was amazing. I was 15, and a major music fan. I had been to a few shows before- Strawberry Alarm Clock, Brenton Wood, Joe Tex, the Chambers Brothers, Canned Heat. But nothing prepared me for the Who, playing the Who's Next material. That was definitely an adult portion. The synthe sounds so dated now, but "Baba O'Reilly" and "Won't Get Fooled Again" were just stunning. Having said that- the 1973, Quadraphenia show was even more memorable.

2007-09-26 18:34:04
78.   spacebrother
69
My favorite musical moment was at a Padres game a few years back (at the Murphy stadium) when Mike Myers came in to relieve. They played the theme from "Austin Powers" as he was warming up. It had to get to him.
2007-09-26 18:34:21
79.   Eric Enders
72 I thought it wasn't all that veiled. The 25-and-under set views Martin as their unquestioned leader. I mean, look at LaRoche's quote from his chat yesterday. I think this was just Russ' way of letting them know it would behoove everyone to keep things in-house. Which I suspect he may have discussed with them in person already (though that's pure speculation on my part).
2007-09-26 18:34:38
80.   trainwreck
No love for Sabbath?
2007-09-26 18:35:22
81.   Prescott Pete
Like Jimi, I saw The Who at the Forum in '73. Best concert ever. Plaschke's favorite Who tune, "Tommy Can You Hear Me?"
2007-09-26 18:35:23
82.   Jimi Shelter
72. It made me appreciate Martin even more.
2007-09-26 18:35:58
83.   Eric Enders
76 Long career of varying quality, overrated by the general public, but still clearly a Hall of Famer. Yeah, I can see the Who being Nolan Ryan.
2007-09-26 18:37:08
84.   KG16
72, et al - what troubles me about his quote is that he doesn't think being the only All Star starter on the team, and the most consistent player for two years, is enough for him to earn the respect of the other players. Really, if it isn't enough for some of the vets, then there is something seriously amiss in the clubhouse.
2007-09-26 18:38:00
85.   KG16
83 - those are fighting words, on both fronts
2007-09-26 18:38:22
86.   Sam DC
El Duque in to relieve in Flushing. Still 7-6 Nationals, now in the seventh. Phillies ahead of the Reds.
2007-09-26 18:39:16
87.   Bob Timmermann
83
The Who's vast body of work ensures that CBS will be able to create an undending series of "CSI" spinoffs.

CSI:Milwaukee - Theme song "Mama's got a Squeezebox"

CSI:Rochester, NY - Theme song "My Generation."

CSI: Belleville, IL - Theme song "Cousin Kevin."

2007-09-26 18:39:20
88.   Eric Enders
85 Hey, tell it to Timmermann!
2007-09-26 18:39:25
89.   Jimi Shelter
81. The show I went to was the ONLY concert I have attended where the applause didn't stop when they brought the house lights up and put on the canned music. My detail obsessed friend says the applause lasted 12 minutes before we got our
fourth encore- Pete smashing the only guitar of the tour. Sorry to derail the Dodger talk! Trust me, I want this win tonight. Its getting harder to justify all this couch sitting. :-)
2007-09-26 18:40:42
90.   Bluebleeder87
I was just watching D.Youngs dinger, the ball was on a T & D.Young just flat out crushed it, nice swing.
2007-09-26 18:41:35
91.   D4P
Sorry to derail the Dodger talk!

Yes. Let's shift the focus from The Who back to The Hu.

2007-09-26 18:42:39
92.   Eric Stephen
88 I read Bob's comment in 85 as The Who had many, many hit songs, more than a few, just like Ryan had lots and lots of Ks.
2007-09-26 18:43:36
93.   Bob Timmermann
Phillies ahead of the Reds.

Well, it was the Braves who ended up losing to Philadelphia.

2007-09-26 18:45:04
94.   jujibee
Earlier today from a BA chat with Jim Calis:

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Kyle (Minneapolis): What do you think of the report of the Dodgers offering up Kershaw and Kemp for Johan in the offseason? Enough to get him?

Jim Callis: Didn't see that report. If I had to trade Santana, that would be a good starting point. And as crazy as this sounds, the Dodgers might regret that trade. If Kershaw and Kemp reach their potential, they'll be bargains while they're cost-controlled.

Later somewone threw in Loney and Laroche to the proposed trade in which Callis replied that the Dodgers would pretty much be crazy to trade away 4 cost controlled cornerstones of a franchise for Santana. Anyway, it's nice to know there are people out there who like our prospects enough to not be willing to part with 2 of them for one of the best pitchers in baseball.

2007-09-26 18:45:58
95.   Sam DC
93 Oh what, you thought I was talking about tonight's game? I was, you know, talking about season totals. That wasn't obvious?
2007-09-26 18:49:18
96.   scooplew
64 I had the Stones in the No. 2 hole. Hendrix' career was meteoric; he was kind of like Fidrych -- brilliant, but short-lived. Of course, Fidrych didn't burn his glove on stage; Hendrix set his guitar on fire at the Monterey Pop Festival in 1967.
2007-09-26 18:51:06
97.   D4P
The destruction of musical instruments does not impress me much.
2007-09-26 18:51:07
98.   scooplew
94 I think Loney has progressed beyond the prospect description.
2007-09-26 18:52:17
99.   scooplew
97 Agreed. It was a historical footnote.
2007-09-26 18:52:37
100.   Hallux Valgus
no love for Country Joe and the Fish? Paul Butterfield Blues Band?

ok, just kidding

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2007-09-26 18:54:10
101.   Bluebleeder87
I haven't fallowed Kershaws career (like I did Russell, Bills & others on Jax.tv.) to have an opinion on him but from everything I've heard he's got an electric arm & from watching Kemp if he figures things out we can have a special crop of young'uns like 94 & Jim Callis (BA) have suggested (very cheap & under our control for many years) Neds own job can be at stake here if he makes a bone head move this winter, veremos.
2007-09-26 18:55:23
102.   Jimi Shelter
97. Of course. But, as theatre, it was remarkable to see Pete do it.
2007-09-26 18:57:13
103.   Bluebleeder87
Agreed. It was a historical footnote.

a historical footnote that NOBODY HAD DONE (from what I understand) which made it unique back in '67, gets total original points from me.

2007-09-26 18:58:09
104.   D4P
My favorite The Who related album:

http://tinyurl.com/yrt5r8

2007-09-26 18:59:13
105.   trainwreck
No Cream or Yardbirds either?
2007-09-26 19:03:03
106.   Jon Weisman
Bonds is not playing in Los Angeles this weekend. Tonight is his final game of the year.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3038065

2007-09-26 19:03:17
107.   Jimi Shelter
105. Uh oh, I can go on like this all night! No Kinks or Buffalo Springfield either? (Actually, I'm not as mired in the 60's as it may seem. Although a Koufax, Drysdale 1 and 2 sure sounds pretty good right about now.)
2007-09-26 19:04:50
108.   Jon Weisman
Can I get a little help here? I just had to endure Bill Plaschke trashing Matt Kemp, could I be spared having to read people trash the Who?
2007-09-26 19:05:29
109.   spacebrother
104

How is Peter Frampton related to The Who?

2007-09-26 19:07:08
110.   Bluebleeder87
I also hope Scott Elbert makes some noise in ST if anything at least for he could get a sept. call up in '08.
2007-09-26 19:08:18
111.   Jimi Shelter
108. You'll never hear me trash the Who or Kemp. But I'm ready to pile on Plaschke again. I wish I could stop reading him- but I can't seem to find the will power.
2007-09-26 19:08:48
112.   D4P
How is Peter Frampton related to The Who?

Uh, I don't know much about classic rock...

2007-09-26 19:09:25
113.   spacebrother
It's funny listening to those 1960s bands. To me, they sound like classical music, compared to some things that came afterwards.

Not knocking all post-hippie era music, but I was in high school just as the Sex Pistols/ Ramones, etc. broke out and started all that new stuff. It's very funny to hear "Blitzkrieg Bop" played at a sports stadium when I can remember that sort of music scaring people.

2007-09-26 19:09:28
114.   Hallux Valgus
108 The Who is easily- EASILY- my favorite band of that era. to make you fel better, I recommend heading down to Amoeba Records tomorrow and picking up the new Springsteen on vinyl.
2007-09-26 19:09:49
115.   Bob Timmermann
The Cubs lost. The Brewers are behind 3-2 to the Cardinals in the 7th.
2007-09-26 19:11:21
116.   spacebrother