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Gibby's Homer: A Children's Story
2007-11-17 19:21
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Tonight, I read to my kids Gibby's Homer, the first book in the Daddy's Heroes series, written by Tom Garcia and Karun Naga and illustrated by Jenifer J. Donnelly. It was a fun read, and my kids seemed to enjoy it even though Dodger baseball, for the most part, still means the ambivalent prospect of having to sit in a loud stadium for two hours or so.

My daughter found the story exciting, but her favorite part was this:

Tommy loved to eat Italian food, especially pasta.

Same with her!

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2007-11-17 19:42:38
1.   Bob Timmermann
"And the magical strike zone fairy made Mike Davis walk..."
2007-11-17 19:58:34
2.   Matt Conroy
My kids are a little puzzled as to why Daddy supports the Dodgers, when all of their classmates are Yanks and Mets fans, with the odd Red Sox fan thrown in. Will have to pick this one up to read to my boy.

And can we have some love for my Crimson, who beat the tar out of George W. Bush University today in New Haven, not only destroying their perfect season, but taking the Ivy League title in the process?

2007-11-17 20:02:50
3.   gvette
"The parking lot glowed with the tailights of departing Dodger fans, all of whom now claim they witnessed Gibby's Mighty Blow."
2007-11-17 20:09:49
4.   Terry A
From the previous thread (and in reverse order):

"386 - Terry's Bench Coach blog was one of my favorites. It was a shame when that went away."

You, sir, are far too kind. Far too kind.

"That top post is more than four thousand words long. Which makes me suspect Terry A., except I don't think he's old enough."

HA! I thought just yesterday that I should repost the record-holding post (316 words, IIRC). But I wasn't sure anybody remembered the achievement. We're about three weeks from its one year anniversary.

2007-11-17 20:21:29
5.   Bob Timmermann
4
I think you hold the record for longest LUCID comment.
2007-11-17 20:22:25
6.   Johnny Nucleo
2 And they have that opera-singing fullback!

No streakers this year?

2007-11-17 20:23:52
7.   Johnny Nucleo
4 The longest post ever record is held by Underdog, of course. "To underdog" became a verb on that memorable occasion.
2007-11-17 20:26:03
8.   Terry A
5 and 7 --

I think my record, if indeed it still stands, is for the longest single sentence.

But "lucid" may be giving it too much credit.

2007-11-17 20:27:26
9.   Matt Conroy
6 - hehe... No, far too cold for that. Possibility of snow tonight!
2007-11-17 20:33:40
10.   Daniel Zappala
9 We're gearing up for the snow season here in Utah, too. This is the year our kids take ski lessons, so we're very excited.
2007-11-17 20:34:23
11.   Daniel Zappala
Interesting article on suspension bridges built by the Incans:

http://tinyurl.com/2b5hnb

2007-11-17 20:41:23
12.   Matt Conroy
10 - I need to try that this year. Maybe somewhere newbie-friendly in Vermont. Ever since the kids came along our ski equipment has been gathering dust. I think I would need a refresher course (and maybe new gear) it's been so long.
2007-11-17 20:42:10
13.   StolenMonkey86
why haven't we had a bunch of rumors about Scott Kazmir? Did Julio Lugo scare Ned away from Tampa Bay?
2007-11-17 20:43:17
14.   StolenMonkey86
or just rumor-makers?
2007-11-17 20:58:37
15.   Bob Timmermann
11
It would have been more surprising if the Incas had built cantilever bridges. Or bascule bridges.
2007-11-17 21:00:24
16.   Daniel Zappala
15 Spoil sport.
2007-11-17 21:00:59
17.   Marty
Or toll bridges.
2007-11-17 21:02:07
18.   Strike4
The twins finished sending their cal state and uc app's tonight. UCLA leads for one, UCSB for the other. Seems like just yesterday they were on my lap with their little storybooks. They seem quite grown up, and going to college is only months away. Now I'm their advisor... and their bank. On-line apps makes it easy to add more campuses at $60/65 apiece.
2007-11-17 21:02:15
19.   Daniel Zappala
12 I've skied a grand total of maybe 10 times in my life, but every time I get back out there I manage to do fine on the intermediate stuff, which is enough to keep me happy. This year I'll be attempting to double that in just one year, so if I suddenly stop posting here you'll know something's gone horribly wrong.
2007-11-17 21:02:16
20.   Strike4
The twins finished sending their cal state and uc app's tonight. UCLA leads for one, UCSB for the other. Seems like just yesterday they were on my lap with their little storybooks. They seem quite grown up, and going to college is only months away. Now I'm their advisor... and their bank. On-line apps makes it easy to add more campuses at $60/65 apiece.
2007-11-17 21:02:55
21.   Strike4
The twins finished sending their cal state and uc app's tonight. UCLA leads for one, UCSB for the other. Seems like just yesterday they were on my lap with their little storybooks. They seem quite grown up, and going to college is only months away. Now I'm their advisor... and their bank. On-line apps makes it easy to add more campuses at $60/65 apiece.
2007-11-17 21:03:54
22.   Strike4
No wonder it cost so much, I must have kept hitting send.
2007-11-17 21:09:23
23.   Bob Timmermann
22
Maybe that's how you ended up with twins too.
2007-11-17 21:13:37
24.   Bob Timmermann
When I studied pre-Columbian America, I learned that the Incas always told all their stories to their children in inverted pyramid form.
2007-11-17 21:14:47
25.   underdog
7 Sigh, just when I'd thought perhaps that was forgotten. Well, that was the record for longest unintentional post. I think it's more impressive when someone actually writes the longest post, rather than cutting and pasting it spastically.

--

Strike, you sure you don't have triplets?
Anyway, they can't go wrong with either school.

--

I love the artist rendering of both Eckersley and Gibson in Gibby's Homer. I should go out and make some children just so I can read that to them. Speaking of which, any word from Humma re: Spawn Of...?

2007-11-17 21:20:09
26.   Daniel Zappala
24 And when they took spelling tests, missing two letters in the same word counted as a double error. For young children, negative scores on spelling tests were quite common.
2007-11-17 21:26:05
27.   Strike4
The twins didn't care whether their school would have a good football team. I told them to leave off possibly Fresno State and they would have nothing to worry about.
2007-11-17 21:31:33
28.   Indiana Jon
So all summer long, my wife laughs at me as I stay up late, watching Dodger games, and talking to my "online friends". Now I'm buying children's books for my daughter based on the recommendation of this site. She's going to love this!
2007-11-17 21:42:20
29.   Strike4
23
It took real incompetence to triple post. It took lots of practice to have twins.
2007-11-17 22:02:52
30.   LA Native
I don't see the harm in going with a guy like Rowand or Hunter in the outfield and then dumping Pierre (trading him for very little). I would think someone would take him for next to nothing so we could at least get rid of the contract. The only impediment to this is that it makes Ned look bad since he just signed the guy last year for 5 years (might even hurt signing free agents in the future a little bit as people never know where they stand with the Dodgers given the Grady example as well and who knows what happens to Nomar).

An outfield of Rowand, Kemp, and Eithier with Young and Repko as the backups works for me. I personally would keep third open for LaRoche as I still think he is going to be a relatively good everyday major league third baseman. Also, think Young has a bat we could really use, although he reminds me of Antonio Perez for some reason.

2007-11-17 22:13:56
31.   Uncle Miltie
The Pac 10 needs to consider dropping Oregon State from the conference. Losing to Alaska-Fairbanks in basketball is embarrassing.

So which schools could replace Oregon State?
San Diego State
Colorado Boulder
Utah
BYU
Nevada

New Mexico would be an awesome addition to the conference, but that's probably pushing it in terms of distance.

2007-11-17 22:36:44
32.   Bob Timmermann
The Big 10 should consider dropping Michigan State for losing to Grand Valley State.

Oregon State for years was one of the best teams in the conference not named UCLA. They could become good again.

2007-11-17 22:45:13
33.   Bob Timmermann
Angry Florida sportswriter:

http://tinyurl.com/yocxlb

2007-11-17 23:04:02
34.   Uncle Miltie
I'm kidding, it's just frustrating to see a team in the conference play at level far below the other teams. I'm more interested in seeing if anyone thinks the Pac 10 should add 2 teams. I think Utah and Colorado would be nice additions to the conference. BYU is a solid athletic school, but I'm not sure if the Pac 10 would be ok with a religiously affiliated school.
2007-11-17 23:13:56
35.   trainwreck
Well the Pac-10 had a few bad loses today in basketball.
2007-11-17 23:35:20
36.   bhsportsguy
33 35 This is going to get worse before it gets better.

http://tinyurl.com/2wccnk

2007-11-18 00:00:15
37.   Bob Timmermann
36
Good thing Greg Brock is holed up in a poker game tonight.
2007-11-18 00:05:00
38.   bhsportsguy
37 As Trainwreck knows, some folks on the UCLA boards are incensed.
2007-11-18 00:08:40
39.   Bob Timmermann
38
Last week, the same writer said USC fans expected too much out of their team and were spoiled.

Of course now, USC has a very good chance of winning the Pac-10 and going to the Rose Bowl.

2007-11-18 00:20:03
40.   bhsportsguy
39 He could write next about Juan Pierre, picking his targets by descending fan interest.

After Juan Pierre comes the Los Angeles Kings and then why isn't there an NFL team in L.A.

2007-11-18 00:24:18
41.   bigcpa
Latest Rosenthal...

Add the Dodgers to the list of teams pursuing Mike Lowell...

http://tinyurl.com/3bdr69

2007-11-18 00:34:38
42.   trainwreck
38
Ignoring that newspaper would help LA sports fans a lot.
2007-11-18 00:45:40
43.   trainwreck
41
Sometimes I wish we were a small market team.
2007-11-18 00:48:13
44.   bhsportsguy
BTW, the paella turned out okay (I thought) friends liked it but it was too heavy on the chorizo and I think I may have used too much rice.
2007-11-18 00:54:16
45.   bhsportsguy
41 I think Mike Lowell's reps are trying (like a lot of agents) are really spinning the media this off-season.

They have seen A-Rod go back to the Yankees, leaving more money on the table had he just negotiated the extension. And now, teams seem very willing to wait for the arbitration deadline to aproach and see if teams offer it to their marginal free agents before signing them.

Lowell reportedly has a 3 year offer on the table from the Red Sox and I seriously doubt he will get another team to bump that up a year (which he wants so he can go back to Boston).

2007-11-18 01:14:05
46.   trainwreck
I am much more worried about Rowand than Lowell.
2007-11-18 06:18:55
47.   Sub4Era
I'm not usually one to get too into trade rumors etc, but I keep hearing about a Pierre+Meloan for Garland thing with the Sox. You guys think theres any legs to it whatsoever?
2007-11-18 06:44:21
48.   Sam DC
All kids should be read the book The Mysterious Tadpole.

It even has a librarian in a supporting role.

2007-11-18 07:29:11
49.   Bumsrap
I am of the theory that one has to release something before something new can take root. In the case of the Dodgers, they need to release Pierre before adding a Rowand. If Nomar's role is clearly the pinch hitter replacing Saenz then that has to be accomplished in the minds of both Torre and Nomar before adding Cabrera, not after.
2007-11-18 07:35:20
50.   Bumsrap
If I were convinced Cabrera could be the Dodgers third baseman for the next 10 years I would give up LaRoche and Kemp for him but I wouldn't add any of the Dodgers top young pitchers nor Loney or Abreu.

I wouldn't give up any of the Dodgers best young players for 2 years of Cabrera. I want to work toward a ten year team.

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2007-11-18 08:01:24
51.   Gen3Blue
I like the way Rosenthal mentions Pierre's contract as he sets up the price of centerfielders, then blithely says the D's are leaning toward Rowan without a word about why the D's would need a center fielder when they helped establish the market with a five year contract last year!

That's about as long a sentence as I can write and stay somewhat coherent.

2007-11-18 08:16:59
52.   Daniel Zappala
34 BYU is a solid athletic school, but I'm not sure if the Pac 10 would be ok with a religiously affiliated school.

About the only impact is that BYU doesn't want to play on Sunday. The basketball tournament finishes on a Saturday, so I'm not sure this is a big deal.

2007-11-18 08:35:16
53.   Disabled List
47 You gotta source rumors like that one. Where did you hear that?
2007-11-18 09:07:38
54.   Sub4Era
53 710 ESPN yesterday. Don't see anything on the website though. The dodgers message board also had something on it from a station in Chicago.. although we all know that website isn't exactly reliable. Thats why I was asking if it had legs, has anyone else heard about this?
2007-11-18 09:13:03
55.   Jon Weisman
Isn't Oregon State the two-time defending College World Series champion?
2007-11-18 09:19:42
56.   dzzrtRatt
Let me understand this: A Chicago radio station is saying the White Sox... want... Pierre?

It's a Festivus miracle!

2007-11-18 09:20:16
57.   Gen3Blue
Sorry I don't tinurl, maybe I'll have to learn. But since I don't, see if you can find a site called Dodger Watchdog o e-Blogger. The piece is called "An open letter to Joe Torre".You can also get there with a recent article at Baseball Primer.Strong opinion and maybe a bit optimistic about the young players but it hit a lot of stuff right on the nose. I think Canuck, Cannon and OldD'sfan will like it.
2007-11-18 09:26:02
58.   Gen3Blue
Hope 57 isn't redundant. I don't think I've looked through all of last nights posts.
2007-11-18 09:27:33
59.   Bob Timmermann
55
Yeah, but what had they done for Uncle Miltie lately?
2007-11-18 09:38:18
60.   Bob Timmermann
52
No religious schools in the Pac-10? What about the Fighting Methodists?
2007-11-18 09:59:40
61.   overkill94
36 I love how part of his defense for Dorrell is that they "played competitively against Washington State and Arizona". I'm not sure how a 27-7 loss to a team with only 1 other conference win is either a positive or competitive. It's only fitting that he brings race in at the end to try and cover up his other tenuous arguments.
2007-11-18 10:05:48
62.   MC Safety
56- That doesnt sound like a Ned Coletti move, but hey I'll take it. Supposedly, the Sox are looking for some bullpen arms as well so all fingers and toes are crossed.
2007-11-18 10:18:03
63.   LAT
Given the Mets catching saga we could trade Russel Martin to the Mets for Wright, Beltran, Reyes and the Bronx.
2007-11-18 10:20:42
64.   Bob Timmermann
63
The Mets may bring back Lo Duca after all. And it doesn't seem like any Mets fan likes him.
2007-11-18 10:40:26
65.   gpellamjr
64 Don't like whom? Lo Duca? Martin? LAT?
2007-11-18 10:45:16
66.   Bob Timmermann
64
I stand by my antecedent.
2007-11-18 10:46:05
67.   D4P
66
Are you still standing by "appallingly bad management"?
2007-11-18 10:53:44
68.   Bob Timmermann
67
Yes.

But I'm more worried about gpellamjr's disapproval of my pronoun use.

2007-11-18 10:57:04
69.   D4P
gpellamjr implied that I (D4P) am ignorant. But at least he (gpellamjr) included Andrew in his (gpellamjr's) indictment as well.
2007-11-18 10:57:26
70.   Linkmeister
66 If Lynne Truss were Tammy Wynette that's the song she'd sing.
2007-11-18 11:00:22
71.   Bob Timmermann
From "Rabbit Seasoning" a 1952 Looney Tunes cartoon:

Bugs: It's true, Doc; I'm a rabbit all right. Would you like to shoot me now or wait 'til you get home?
Daffy: Shoot him now! Shoot him now!
Bugs: You keep outta this! He doesn't have to shoot you now!
Daffy: He does so have to shoot me now! [to Elmer] I demand that you shoot me now!

[Elmer raises his gun. As Daffy sticks his tongue out at Bugs, he is shot. Daffy walks back over to Bugs, gunsmoke pouring out of his nostrils]

Daffy: [to Bugs] Let's run through that again.
Bugs: Okay.
Bugs: [deadpan] Would you like to shoot me now or wait till you get home.
Daffy:[similarly] Shoot him now, shoot him now.
Bugs: [as before] You keep outta this, he doesn't have to shoot you now.
Daffy Duck: [re-animated] Hah! That's it! Hold it right there! [to audience] Pronoun trouble. [to Bugs] It's not "he doesn't have to shoot you now", it's "he doesn't have to shoot me now"
[Pause]
Daffy: [angrily] Well, I say he does have to shoot me now!! [to Elmer] So shoot me now!
[Elmer shoots Daffy again]

2007-11-18 11:09:58
72.   regfairfield
Oh Daffy, can you ever win?
2007-11-18 11:18:27
73.   D4P
Daffy needs to battle Wile E. someday.
2007-11-18 11:49:21
74.   bigcpa
If there's anything to the Pierre rumor we know it wouldn't happen before a CF signing. Ned did allude to a potential FA signing opening up possible trades. Still holding out hope for A Jones.
2007-11-18 11:50:52
75.   Ken Noe
62 The Chisox also are desperate for a center fielder and lead-off hitter. They seem out of the running for Hunter and Rowand. Wonder if this was the "cold feet" deal--if I'm Williams, I may be wary of taking Pierre unless the pot is sweetened beyond Meloan.
2007-11-18 11:54:05
76.   D4P
Pierre is a perfect fit for Ozzie "The key to our 2008 offense is bunting more than 2007" Guillen. I think there's a real possibility they'd be interested, if Ned is willing to oblige.
2007-11-18 11:54:38
77.   Bill Crain
60
We lost our faith.
2007-11-18 12:08:12
78.   ChicagoDodger
Pierre and MeLoan for Garland? That could be the best deal the Dodgers could do this entire offseason. Of course, I could see them messing it up then by signing Rowand. Pierre is still due $36 million while Garland is only due $12 million.

It would be a great deal...for the Dodgers.

2007-11-18 12:25:46
79.   thinkblue0
78-

That would be amazing.

2007-11-18 12:34:05
80.   gpellamjr
78 Great, another "C...Dodger". Bob obstinately refusing to make sense, and there being so many of these, this website has ceased to be coherent.

I think I shall change my handle to "ColumbusDodger".

2007-11-18 12:43:36
81.   Bob Timmermann
80
As long as I understand what I write, I don't care what others think.

I think I'm going to abandon subject-verb agreement. And the use of the objective case.

2007-11-18 12:44:19
82.   Sub4Era
75 76 78 Seeing as how no one else had even heard about it though kinda brings down my hopes. The trade does seam viable though.
2007-11-18 12:44:23
83.   MC Safety
I could get away with "Carlsbad Dodger".
2007-11-18 12:45:21
84.   D4P
81
I thought it was obvious that "him" referred to Lo Duca.
2007-11-18 12:48:08
85.   alex 7
it's been discussed that most trades Ned's made gathered little pre-trade noise. There's hope yet.
2007-11-18 12:50:24
86.   ChicagoDodger
82 I agree with you. I was simply commenting on the earlier post 47 .

It seems to favor the Dodgers quite a bit, but it does almost look believable. Pierre might fit Guillen's style, and they (Sox) may not want to spend upwards of $75 million to sign one of the available CF's when they could have Pierre for essentially $6 million a year factoring in Garland's contract.

2007-11-18 12:54:44
87.   bigcpa
85 Except for Betemit/Proctor that sat out there for a few weeks.
2007-11-18 12:55:36
88.   Bob Timmermann
The White Sox center fielders last year were actually worse than Juan Pierre.

Jerry Owens, Darin Erstad, Luis Terrero, Brian Anderson, et al.

2007-11-18 12:55:39
89.   D4P
Garland for $12 million isn't a good deal, so I could understand a team being interested in dumping his contract.
2007-11-18 12:55:48
90.   Dodgers49
Will someone please give this guy Ned's number. :-)

Sox's hunt for OF is on

>> In addition to landing a center fielder of Hunter's caliber, Williams must retool a horrendous bullpen and possibly acquire an accomplished leadoff hitter. <<

http://tinyurl.com/2dnloz

2007-11-18 12:56:20
91.   D4P
88
Yep. The White Sox are the only team in the league for whom 2007 Juan Pierre is an upgrade.
2007-11-18 13:01:22
92.   ChicagoDodger
89 $12 million a year over 3 years is bad. But 1 year is not that bad. Especially when you consider they are getting rid of Pierre and his $36 million. Garland wouldn't be a horrible 5th starter pitching half his games at Dodger Stadium.
2007-11-18 13:01:32
93.   regfairfield
I definitely remember hearing rumors about Navarro for Hendrickson before it happened.
2007-11-18 13:04:05
94.   bigcpa
A cyber-vigil is underway. Let our voices carry far and wide.
2007-11-18 13:07:15
95.   Sub4Era
86 Yea. Garland could easily fit into the back end of the rotation and who knows, he might have some slight success switching leagues. More importantly... Kemp and Ethier would both play.
2007-11-18 13:11:01
96.   regfairfield
Sadly the deal is contingent on Kenny Williams having absolutely no idea what he's doing, so I'm thinking it won't happen. As bad as Garland is, almost every starting pitcher has value these days. Heck, Garland had a 4.23 ERA in an AL hitters park, that's definitely not a guy you should have to just dump.
2007-11-18 13:15:03
97.   ChicagoDodger
96 Ordinarily I would agree with you, but there is always the school of thought that one man's trash (Pierre) is another man's bargain!

Stranger things have happened. And, as someone may have mentioned, perhaps this was the deal Colletti referred to where the team (Sox) got cold feet?

2007-11-18 13:17:24
98.   trainwreck
We also knew about the Maddux deal for awhile.
2007-11-18 13:17:59
99.   regfairfield
97 That's where the Kenny Williams needs to have no idea what he's doing part comes in.
2007-11-18 13:19:21
100.   bigcpa
97 I don't think this was the "cold feet" deal. It's not like Colletti aka Mr. Depth to leave himself one OF short heading into FA bidding. This would have to be contingent on one of the FA's signing first.
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2007-11-18 13:19:52
101.   D4P
Has Kenny Williams ever paid Neifi!...?
2007-11-18 13:19:53
102.   Daniel Zappala
80 For the longest time, I thought CajunDodger was CanuckDodger. Very confusing. I could be another C...Dodger if I used the town I live in, but then no one would know my real name, and what's the fun in that?
2007-11-18 13:21:36
103.   Sub4Era
102 ...guess I could be ColtonDodger
2007-11-18 13:22:38
104.   regfairfield
101 Nope. The Neifi payers list:

Bob Gebhard
Dan O'Dowd
Brian Sabean
Jim Hendry
Dave Dombrowski

2007-11-18 13:24:16
105.   Bill Crain
102
Who's nuts enough to use their real name?
2007-11-18 13:25:01
106.   D4P
But Kenny has paid Podsednik and Erstad, right...?
2007-11-18 13:25:43
107.   LAT
The "C. . .Dodgers" don't bother me but I used to get tripped up by "Sam SC" all the time. Whatever happened to him?
2007-11-18 13:26:03
108.   ChicagoDodger
In any event, is this the first rumor, in a long time, where it actually seems to benefit the Dodgers?

For fun, can anyone post any other rumors that had the Dodgers coming out on top?

2007-11-18 13:26:11
109.   ChicagoDodger
In any event, is this the first rumor, in a long time, where it actually seems to benefit the Dodgers?

For fun, can anyone post any other rumors that had the Dodgers coming out on top?

2007-11-18 13:27:16
110.   Icaros
Pellam's anger has me worried he may transform into ColumbineDodger.
2007-11-18 13:27:18
111.   LAT
BTW, are we sure the Ned in additon to giving JP lots of yers and money also didn't give him a full or limited no trade clause.
2007-11-18 13:28:57
112.   natepurcell
I will pray every night for that deal to happen.

Meloan is a small price to pay when you can get rid of Slappy.

2007-11-18 13:30:16
113.   regfairfield
111 He doesn't have one.
2007-11-18 13:32:00
114.   natepurcell
from dodgers.com

Talk in Chicago is the Dodgers are trying to move Pierre to them for Garland and may be willing to include Meloan to get the Sox to take on Pierre's contract. The Sox have been offering Contreras straight up to take on the contract but LA has not yet bitten.

It sounds fake. Why does it sound fake? Because Pierre for Contreras was something I thought up of a couple days ago.

2007-11-18 13:36:51
115.   regfairfield
106 I can even excuse him paying Erstad when his in house options were Brian Anderson and Jerry Owens.
2007-11-18 13:38:02
116.   MC Safety
114- Wow, this might actually happen.
2007-11-18 13:38:54
117.   Dodgers49
97 Stranger things have happened. And, as someone may have mentioned, perhaps this was the deal Colletti referred to where the team (Sox) got cold feet?

Another possibility, the bait and switch. Broxton for Meloan?

2007-11-18 13:38:57
118.   bigcpa
116 Should be noted that's a message board post not an mlb.com column.
2007-11-18 13:39:52
119.   bigcpa
Anyone see this?

Phil Dawson 51 yard field goal is No Good.

Kick hit crossbars and bounced back.

Play Challenged by Replay Assistant and REVERSED. P.Dawson 51 yard field goal is GOOD.

2007-11-18 13:40:01
120.   natepurcell
116

Yea my bad. I meant dodgers.com message board.

sorry to get your hopes up.

2007-11-18 13:40:35
121.   natepurcell
Another possibility, the bait and switch. Broxton for Meloan?

No way.

2007-11-18 13:42:14
122.   goofus
I still like Andruw Jones, 5 years, $80 mill with a 2 year opt out clause. He can pad his stats for two years and then leave if he wants.
2007-11-18 13:42:36
123.   D4P
Would you rather have

1. Pierre
2. Contreras at 2/20 and Rowand at 3/45

2007-11-18 13:43:41
124.   regfairfield
123 The second, but there's no way Rowand gets only 3/45.
2007-11-18 13:44:32
125.   goofus
123 None of the above
2007-11-18 13:45:35
126.   MC Safety
I heard Rowand wants 5/60.
2007-11-18 13:48:09
127.   Daniel Zappala
Wouldn't it pain you to have to give up Meloan just because Colletti was dumb enough to sign Pierre? Neither Contreras nor Garland are a much of an upgrade to the staff.
2007-11-18 13:51:17
128.   natepurcell
127

For Contreras, I wouldn't. For Garland, I probably wouldn't mind. I think he could be above league average next year and 200+ innings of 4.00 ERA or so is worth it.

Plus you would get two draft picks after that.

2007-11-18 13:51:25
129.   Bob Timmermann
The second field goal by Cleveland in OT was good. I can only assume that the field goal at the end of OT, hit the post supporting the crossbar, which would have made it good.

I think the good people of Baltimore will be quite angry, but the good people of Cleveland will have a win over one of the few sports owners more unpopular than Walter O'Malley ever was in Brooklyn.

2007-11-18 13:58:42
130.   ChicagoDodger
127 I think 4 more years of Pierre would pain me more then losing MeLoan, and I was looking forward to seeing MeLoan in a Dodger uniform. I agree with Nate, I wouldn't do the Contreras deal, as that is 2 years for a total of $20 million.

Of course, I wouldn't mind it if they just moved Pierre to the bench, but can't see Dodger management doing that.

2007-11-18 14:07:43
131.   bigcpa
129 This was the kick at the end of regulation. It hit the left upright, hit the support past the plane popping straight up, then landed just in front of the uprights. It was reminiscent of the botched HR call in the WS.
2007-11-18 14:08:37
132.   Ken Noe
Bait and switch: Contreras instead of Garland?
2007-11-18 14:18:46
133.   bigcpa
Either we trade Meloan for $15M in debt relief + Contreras or $23M in debt relief + Garland. I would actually prefer we get Contreras and not have to sweeten the pot. Garland is not worth pot sweetening.
2007-11-18 14:24:22
134.   Disabled List
For reasons that are far too complicated to explain, I am actually a long-time Cleveland Browns fan. This is despite the fact that I've never set foot in the state of Ohio and don't have any particular attachment to the region.

Today's game = Awesome.

2007-11-18 14:25:26
135.   Sub4Era
133 But is Meloan worth that difference in cost?
2007-11-18 14:26:36
136.   Ken Noe
134 Browns fan until they moved to Baltimore, re-upped with the new version last summer. Just in time it seems. :-)
2007-11-18 14:34:58
137.   JROBB
133
I am surprised that we spend so much time writing about Meloan. The key is that Pierre will be eliminated. THAT is the beauty of it. Never in a million years did I think we could trade him. With Either and Kemp plus a new CF who can play good outfield and has an arm that keeps teams from going 1st to 3rd on a single will help the pitching staff.

I am convinced that eith Either, Kemp or Pierre are going to be traded because I would guess that the Rowand deal is good as done. If it takes Meloan to get rid of Pierre, no problem.

2007-11-18 14:39:33
138.   Disabled List
Pierre for Contreras straight up looks like a gift, but it's a little complicated. Contreras was really, really bad last year, and he's turning 36. The $20 million left on his contract is compounded by the $7 million (?) we still owe to Esteban Loaiza, who I think will probably be cut if we pick up Contreras.

Factor in the cost of a new centerfielder like Rowand or Jones, and it might not be worth it.

2007-11-18 14:41:07
139.   Black and Blue
Jon, thanks for posting about Daddy's Heroes. Have just ordered book and shirt for the youngest son.

I've spent the last 2 years trying to get dads more involved in reading at my kids' school. Hard work sometimes, but every now and then you hear about something like Daddy's heroes and it motivates you a bit more.

2007-11-18 14:41:20
140.   JROBB
we are talking about the next 4 years of Pierre.
2007-11-18 14:44:54
141.   Lexinthedena
137- Rowand is gonna seem like a huge uppgrade over Pierre if he is in fact on his way, but I really don't think that highly of him...outside of Philly he is barely above average offensively....

And please Ned, don't trade Kemp...please!

2007-11-18 14:52:08
142.   trainwreck
In a year or two we will be hoping that Rowand is gone.

If we can get rid of Pierre we should offer Jones a short deal. He has the best defense of the free agent centerfielders and he has pop at least.

2007-11-18 15:07:20
143.   natepurcell
http://tinyurl.com/yq8qcs

Boston Globe article about Miggy the Piggy. Some good quotes from a special assistant to Colletti.

The Dodgers have good young players they could give up like James Loney, Matt Kemp, Chad Billingsley, Jonathan Broxton, Clayton Kershaw, and Andy LaRoche, but they are drawing a line. Cabrera is a heck of a player, but Lajoie is very protective of the Dodgers' young talent.

2007-11-18 15:39:30
144.   Bluebleeder87
Rowand doesn't impress me AT ALL to be honest. If we're gonna go after a CF'der lets go after the best the market has to offer, anything less is just wrong in my opinion. The Pierre story sounds way to good to be true.
2007-11-18 15:48:07
145.   Bob Loblaw
If we can't pawn Pierre off on the ChiSox, maybe we could send him to the Orioles in a package for Bedard. That's my wish.
2007-11-18 15:55:25
146.   das411
So since it seems everybody is off having some Football Thoughts, let me just make sure I have this straight:

Terrell Owens begins career in SF, Jeff Garcia magically becomes an incredible QB.

Terrell Owens is traded to Philadelphia, Donovan McNabb magically becomes an incredible QB. Garcia, not so much.

Terrell Owens is traded to Dallas, Tony Romo magically becomes an incredible QB. McNabb, not so much.

anyone else see a pattern here?

2007-11-18 16:04:04
147.   D4P
Jerry Rice plays for SF, Joe Montana magically becomes an "incredible" QB.
2007-11-18 16:10:34
148.   Benjamin Miracord
I think the good people of Baltimore will be quite angry, but the good people of Cleveland will have a win over one of the few sports owners more unpopular than Walter O'Malley ever was in Brooklyn.

More unpopular than Frank McCourt currently is in Vero Beach? :-)

2007-11-18 16:15:19
149.   trainwreck
146
McNabb was good before TO. His numbers just got better, because he actually had a talented wide receiver.
2007-11-18 16:18:11
150.   Bob Timmermann
147
Joe Montana quarterbacked a 49ers team to a Super Bowl win without Jerry Rice on the team.

Dwight Clark + Freddie Solomon < Jerry Rice

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2007-11-18 16:18:39
151.   Daniel Zappala
147 Not this again!
2007-11-18 16:19:27
152.   D4P
Joe Montana quarterbacked a 49ers team to a Super Bowl win without Jerry Rice on the team

But he wasn't an "incredible" QB then.

2007-11-18 16:20:43
153.   D4P
151
I'm like a campaign manager.
2007-11-18 16:23:17
154.   LogikReader
D4P, I have to take exception to that. Are you saying "the catch" wasn't incredible?
2007-11-18 16:25:15
155.   LogikReader
ps: Garcia is still good now with TB
McNabb was good before and after TO.
TO was not nearly as effective before Romo. Bear in mind he played half of last year with other QBs.
2007-11-18 16:26:18
156.   LogikReader
TO is a GREAT WR, but it's prudent to give credit to the QBs he had throwing to him.
2007-11-18 16:30:19
157.   D4P
Are you saying "the catch" wasn't incredible?

The catch was better than the throw. But either way, it was one play. Big deal.

2007-11-18 16:30:47
158.   Daniel Zappala
In D4P's world, the receiver is far greater than the giver. He also believes that all those lepers and people who were lame from birth are responsible for Christ's popularity.
2007-11-18 16:34:09
159.   Bob Timmermann
158
Don't forget Lazarus dying.
2007-11-18 16:36:12
160.   D4P
Actually, I think most of the credit should go to offensive lines. They make or break QBs and RBs, and WRs for that matter. If I were an owner, I would spend the lion's share of my payroll on acquiring the best offensive lineman at each o-line position, paying whatever it takes to get them.

Then I'd skimp on "skill" positions, because once you have a great offensive line, the rest falls into place anyway.

I'm not sure if the defensive line is as important, but if it is, I would follow the same approach.

2007-11-18 16:37:08
161.   Jon Weisman
We survived yet another Juan Pierre debate for this? Sigh ...
2007-11-18 16:37:31
162.   D4P
159
And coming forth. I'm pretty sure that's on Jesus's Greatest Hits album.
2007-11-18 16:38:57
163.   trainwreck
160
That is actually the Eagles way of building their teams. They try to build the defensive and offensive lines. Then worry about QB, RB, and rest of skill positions.

It definitely makes sense.

2007-11-18 16:41:59
164.   D4P
163
The drawback is it's probably not a great way to put butts in the seats. Only fans like Bob watch the offensive line.
2007-11-18 16:43:03
165.   trainwreck
163
Patriots are like that too, but they have to pay attention to linebackers more because they run the 3-4.
2007-11-18 16:45:29
166.   Bob Timmermann
164
I don't watch offensive line play at a football game. Too many years of stat keeping at prep games made me always follow the ball.

A team with an offensive line that had five Jonathan Ogdens and the present Miami Dolphins backfield would be pretty gruesome to watch.

2007-11-18 16:46:50
167.   D4P
Patriots are like that too

Their offensive line undoubtedly gets the credit for Brady's success. Well, that and the cheating.

2007-11-18 16:47:55
168.   D4P
166
I didn't mean you per se, but rather your football equivalent.
2007-11-18 16:50:18
169.   Marty
I suspect most (but by no means all) people in the Montana isn't great club are in the Brady isn't great club too. And if they're old enough, they were in the Starr isn't great club as well.
2007-11-18 16:52:58
170.   Bob Timmermann
169
And you can go back to the "Otto Graham isn't great" club I suppose. Or the really hard core "Sid Luckman isn't great" and "Sammy Baugh isn't great".
2007-11-18 17:07:20
171.   Suffering Bruin
Just got back from SanFran. From the outside, AT&T park looks very, very nice.

May I play in this debate? Thank you.

1) Joe Montana is the best quarterback of the modern era. I consider the modern era to be any time after "receiver-can-run-free-free-born-free without being harassed" rule changes.

Before that time, Johnny U.

2) According to my informal poll/conversations with San Franciscans, the popularity of Barry Bonds is based on three things...

a) Lots of fairweather fans thanks to Pac-Bell. In other words, the place is full of non-baseball fans. It's a celebrity thing. The fairweather fan doesn't pay attention to the steroid issue and is much more interested in the novelty of attending the ballpark.

b) San Franciscans don't get why their guy is being attacked while 40% of baseball was using the juice. (If I had a dollar for every time I heard the 40% argument, I'd still be at City Lights buying books.)

c) He's their guy. "If he was your guy, you'd be cheering for him, too."

FWIW...

2007-11-18 17:10:59
172.   Bob Timmermann
171
The "he's their guy" is the one I've always believed.
2007-11-18 17:13:41
173.   Bob Timmermann
Johnny Unitas was only good because of Raymond Berry.
2007-11-18 17:15:50
174.   Jon Weisman
How come it's never the Wide Receiver was only good because of the Quarterback?
2007-11-18 17:18:27
175.   Marty
160 I have two words for you. Dieter Brock :)
2007-11-18 17:18:30
176.   trainwreck
You can count the number of good wide receivers regardless of their QB on one hand.
2007-11-18 17:20:08
177.   Marty
I suppose the Dieter Brock argument could be turned against me though, now that I think about it. After all, he was playing against a great team that had Jim McMahon on it.
2007-11-18 17:20:11
178.   trainwreck
176
Current players that is.
2007-11-18 17:22:48
179.   bhsportsguy
178 If BRO had a set of rules like Jon put in for DT, a lot comments would be deleted today.
2007-11-18 17:25:27
180.   trainwreck
179
Yeah, rule 8's just cover the entire board.
2007-11-18 17:28:20
181.   Marty
Bruin, whenever I'd find myself at City Lights, I'd always go across the way to Vesuvio for a drink. I hope it's still there.
2007-11-18 17:43:39
182.   Daniel Zappala
BYU is 25th in the BCS standings. I'd take them over Oregon with Leaf at QB.
2007-11-18 17:45:08
183.   Suffering Bruin
181 It's there. If not for the wife and kid, I'd a been. God, I love North Beach.

180 This may be a rule 8 violation but here goes.

The late Bill Walsh and I had an animated conversation on this very subject. I was a firm believer that John Elway was the best QB for many of the reasons talked about on this thread. Now, when I say "animated conversation" know that I was the one animated, Dick Enberg was the one who was annoyed the conversation was even happening and Walsh was responding to my rambling (I was star struck) in an even-handed, focused manner with a smile on his face that said, "Yes, I hear your point, but..." look.

I'll never forget what he said that not only turned me around but ended the conversation: "Joe Montana gave us the edge at the QB position in every game we played. No one was better prepared, no one made fewer mistakes, no one played harder and I never, ever coached a better athlete. Not many people talk about what a great athlete Joe was--his speed, his jumping ability, his quickness and his strength. John Elway was a great quarterback and I would never apologize for having him on my team. But Montana was just a little bit better than anyone who ever played." And then he grabed my hand and said, "And I really appreciate this conversation."

I like to think he meant that last part.

2007-11-18 17:50:11
184.   D4P
I never, ever coached a better athlete

I think I just broke Rule 13.

The guy couldn't run very fast, couldn't throw very far. If you want to praise his "clutchness" and "magic" and "leadership" and "decision-making ability" and all that jazz, that's one thing.

But the best athlete Walsh ever coached? Come on! Was he a better athlete than Jerry Rice? Was he faster? Stronger? Quicker?

Gimme a break.

2007-11-18 17:52:14
185.   Sam DC
Rule 13 fails of its intended purpose if so used.
2007-11-18 17:56:03
186.   regfairfield
I just realized that there are parents today who haven't been alive long enough to be aware of Gibson's home run when it happened.

I'm starting to realize that I'm supposed to be a responsible adult now.

2007-11-18 17:59:12
187.   Jon Weisman
185 - Correct.
2007-11-18 17:59:19
188.   D4P
I suspect most (but by no means all) people in the Montana is great club are in the Eckstein is great club too.
2007-11-18 18:00:18
189.   Ken Arneson
From top to bottom, this is the single worst DT thread I've ever read.
2007-11-18 18:01:13
190.   Marty
Always remember responsible adult should be redundant.
2007-11-18 18:03:38
191.   Marty
The Spanish Prisoner starts in two minutes on Encore Mystery channel.
2007-11-18 18:03:52
192.   Bob Timmermann
Since I always consider myself a pioneer around here of holding an irrational hatred toward something in spite of the facts, I should probably not comment on 184 .

I'll be off to the local bakery tomorrow looking for a peach pie instead.

2007-11-18 18:15:14
193.   Benaiah
186 - I am 23 and I don't remember Gibson's home run at all. Gibson's home run is a great moment, but next year will be the 20th anniversary! I have always thought that Dodger Blues was hacky and overly cynical, but his countdown from the last great Dodger moment is gaining poignancy year after futile year.
2007-11-18 18:18:04
194.   LogikReader
189

That's a little harsh.

---

Parity is back today, but the Patriots don't want to co-operate. 12 minutes until Laker Time!

2007-11-18 18:21:04
195.   dzzrtRatt
189 And I missed it! (Except for one early comment about...what else?...Juan Pierre.)

188 is just ridiculous. 'Nuf said.

2007-11-18 18:21:15
196.   Bob Timmermann
But among the players on both teams playing in Game 1 of the 1988 World Series, who was the last one to play a major league game?

The correct answer played a game one day later than two other guys.

2007-11-18 18:21:20
197.   bigcpa
189 Just be happy the Pierre trade didn't happen yet and irreparably crash your servers.
2007-11-18 18:24:53
198.   Ghost of Carlos Perez
186 193
I've got a 14-month old, and I don't remember the Gibson home run (I was six at the time, and living in Switzerland).

Even so, I think it is a bit unfair to say there has not been a great Dodger moment since then. When times are tough, I think back to my sweet memories of the Spring of '99. A new sheriff in town, some huge FA signings, a new coach, etc. We were widely regarded as the class of the NL.

No matter how bad Dodger baseball gets, I'll always have the Spring of '99. Kevin Malone, thanks for the memories.

2007-11-18 18:32:39
199.   Icaros
Bruin,

I thought you were going to call me when you were in SF...?

Ouch.

2007-11-18 18:54:23
200.   natepurcell
Brian Cook is pretty bad at basketball. Why on earth does Phil start him?
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2007-11-18 18:58:10
201.   Ken Arneson
194 Harsh, but for me, true. This thread has taken both the best and worst moments of my sports fandom, and performed sacrilege on both.
2007-11-18 18:58:34
202.   D4P
200
Isn't Turiaf hurt?

Didn't Cook used to be a good outside shooter?

2007-11-18 18:59:07
203.   Eric Stephen
196
I would have thought at least one of the answers were Dodgers, but Ramon Martinez (20 in 1988) ended his career in May 2001. Hershiser mercifully ended hi career in June 2000.

Jose Canseco & Stan Javier both ended their careers on 10/6/01, and Mark McGwire was one day later.

2007-11-18 19:11:07
204.   trainwreck
200
The worst part is that the Lakers extended him.
2007-11-18 19:11:38
205.   Bob Timmermann
203
Also I was referring to participants in the game, so Ramon Martinez wouldn't have counted anyway.

1988, I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now.

2007-11-18 19:13:01
206.   Sam DC
Well, this promises to be an exciting 30 minutes of football.
2007-11-18 19:17:23
207.   Eric Stephen
205 1988, I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now

I agree, but I don't think Greg Brock, Suffering Bruin, et al are "mongrel dogs." :)

2007-11-18 19:21:52
208.   Benaiah
I hate the Patriots more than any team perhaps ever. The inevitability of their march to a perfect season makes me ill. My favorite teams (the Dodgers, the Bills, Auburn football and Duke Basketball since 2002 (my freshman year), have never won in my memory. Being a fan is a constant lesson in dealing with disappointment, but even worse, the teams I truly despise (the Braves, the Patriots, the Big 12 and Big 10 in general) seem to win all the time. Sigh.
2007-11-18 19:22:17
209.   Eric Stephen
As a Raider fan, I have hated the Patriots with the fire of a thousand suns for some time. However, I am fascinated by the 2007 version. They have embraced the role of villain beautifully, and it's amazing to watch.

They just went for it on 4th & 1 at the 3 yard line, up 35-7 with 9 minutes left in the 3rd. Villains indeed.

2007-11-18 19:24:06
210.   trainwreck
208
I feel sorry for Bills fans, but there is absolutely no reason to feel sympathy or sorrow to Duke fans.
2007-11-18 19:25:05
211.   trainwreck
209
And we helped facilitate this with the Moss trade, which at the time I thought was a good thing.
2007-11-18 19:27:00
212.   Eric Stephen
Tom Brady now has 3,014 yards on the season, and we're not even through game 10! He's up to 38 TD with only 4 picks.

I'm going to go out on a limb and make him the favorite for league MVP.

2007-11-18 19:28:54
213.   Eric Stephen
211
And it doesn't help with Moss now over 1,000 yards and 16 TD through less than 10 games. Nice to see that kind of effort the last few year in Oakland!
2007-11-18 19:29:14
214.   Benaiah
210 - I was never a Duke fan growing up (I actually rooted against them in 2001, since I am from Arizona) but I got in and even those of us to cool to be caught dead in blue facepaint at Cameron still like the team. While I was there the best team was my sophomore year when we lost in the Final Four to eventual champions UCONN. I don't expect sympathy for being a Duke fan, but it hasn't helped my personal streak of misery.
2007-11-18 19:30:59
215.   Benaiah
214 - ugh "to cool". I am not representing my alma mater well.
2007-11-18 19:43:27
216.   Jon Weisman
You don't start Trent Edwards, you pay the price.

Not saying the Patriots won't be different, but I seem to recall plenty of other inevitabilities that never inevitabilitized.

2007-11-18 19:59:46
217.   Benaiah
216 - Well, here's hoping. The next best team in the league, at home, with a huge advantage on penalties and a lead for most of the game, couldn't beat the Patriots. I just can't see a better opportunity than that, and with all of the injuries the Colts have now I don't know if there will even be a rematch.
2007-11-18 20:01:58
218.   Sam DC
Where's Frank Reich when you need him?
2007-11-18 20:11:49
219.   trainwreck
Sorry Jon, but the Simpsons just had an awesome Alan Moore joke.

Watchmen Babies in V for Vacation.

2007-11-18 20:12:32
220.   alex 7
did no team seriously think Moss was worth a 3rd round pick last April?
2007-11-18 20:16:14
221.   alex 7
Would the Packers D put up a good fight? Is the Super Bowl outdoors? Seems that might help the Pack if they were there.
2007-11-18 20:27:57
222.   natepurcell
Farmar has improved so much since last year. Laker fans should be excited about Farmar/Bynum combo growing together.
2007-11-18 20:35:14
223.   Icaros
The Lakers might have the best bench in the league.
2007-11-18 20:38:07
224.   Gen3Blue
There is no reason to feel so down in the mouth about the Patriot victory. In most divisions, but particularly tne AFC East, the teams alternate, so that the team that wins the regular season game loses the play-off game. I expect Payton Manning in the Superbowl.
I remember my friends giving up on the '88 Dodgers, saying they could never beat the A's. Buck up.
2007-11-18 20:41:54
225.   Humma Kavula
Just a quick note to say that there is a new Kavula in the world!

Naomi Faye was born Friday, 7 lbs, 20 inches long. She looks like her daddy!

Bride and Spawn are both doing well.

Haven't read the thread, but I hope jasonungar has weighed in and that his family is doing well, too.

2007-11-18 20:43:20
226.   Vishal
212 and thus we have the shortest limb in the history of limbs.

225 congratulations mr. humma k!

2007-11-18 20:44:08
227.   Jon Weisman
219 - I've got nothing against the Simpsons. I do have something against mentions of the Simpsons triggering a quotefest. There's no ban on fresh material by any means.

225 - Congrats!

2007-11-18 20:48:01
228.   Vishal
216 that made me smile.

btw, it's looking like the axe has a good shot at returning to palo alto this year. i'm not looking forward to the big game. cal's season has been arguably crueler than stanford's season last year.

2007-11-18 20:48:43
229.   Gen3Blue
225 Wonderful HK.
2007-11-18 20:49:33
230.   Jon Weisman
228 - Our football team has fallen apart too, in case you haven't noticed.

But ...

http://www.cstv.com/sports/w-soccer/stories/111807aap.html

2007-11-18 20:49:44
231.   Bob Timmermann
Eek, I've just noticed that Joakim Noah is in the game.

I will boo him from my couch.

[boo]

I however do not dislike him as much as D4P dislikes Joe Montana, which is akin to saying that the Yankees only won a lot of World Series despite Joe DiMaggio's contributions.

2007-11-18 20:50:10
232.   trainwreck
225
Congratulations to the HK family.
2007-11-18 20:52:16
233.   Bob Timmermann
230
The #1 UCLA women's soccer squad routed Oklahoma State 4-0.

Athletic Director Eric Taylor was there to offer support.

2007-11-18 20:53:14
234.   natepurcell
If the Lakers put in Mihm for Bynum, they would have an all white squad on the floor.
2007-11-18 20:54:23
235.   Bob Timmermann
234
So you're using the Gary Sheffield standard to judge Jordan Farmar's background?
2007-11-18 20:58:24
236.   Eric Enders
So, just checking in on this thread for the first time, and the first six words of 210 made me think Colletti had gone out and done something stupid. Quit scaring me like that!
2007-11-18 20:58:57
237.   Daniel Zappala
231 The older I get, the harder it is to boo players that are essentially kids.
2007-11-18 20:59:43
238.   Bob Timmermann
237
Joakim Noah would boo you Daniel if given the opportunity.
2007-11-18 21:00:21
239.   Eric Enders
227 "I've got nothing against the Simpsons. ... There's no ban on fresh material by any means."

Do me a favor and tell the Simpsons writers that, also.

2007-11-18 21:14:24
240.   Daniel Zappala
238 I would not boo him back. I would just kick him out of my class.
2007-11-18 21:18:43
241.   Vishal
230 :|

yeah, you guys haven't had a good season, but you weren't a hair's breadth from being ranked #1 (not that we were actually THAT good, but still), only to fall into a 6-game death spiral. you guys even beat USC, which is something to feel pretty good about.

2007-11-18 21:23:05
242.   underdog
219 Not just Alan Moore, but Daniel Clowes and Art Spiegelman (who also wore a Maus mask at one point) - comic book nerd heaven! Plus Jack Black. In an amusing episode. The last 3 Simpsons have actually been pretty funny.

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225 - Major congrats on health Spawn, Humma! Enjoy her! Named after Naomi Watts of course...?

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Man, I officially hate the Patriots.

2007-11-18 21:23:58
243.   underdog
healthy, that is.

I'm tired, and headed the ball a few too many times in our game tonight, and my ability to type coherent sentences is a bit impaired. And stuff. What was I talking about?

2007-11-18 21:26:45
244.   Marty
Congratulations Humma. Naomi is a great name.
2007-11-18 21:27:15
245.   Bob Timmermann
241
Stanford and UCLA could have mirror seasons in a sense.

Stanford could lose to Cal, but beat Notre Dame and UCLA.

UCLA beat Cal, lost to Notre Dame, and will likely lose to USC unless Osaar Rasshan is taken over the spirit of Norman Dow.

2007-11-18 21:52:41
246.   Linkmeister
225 "Naomi Faye was born Friday, 7 lbs, 20 inches long. She looks like her daddy!"

Um. Is that a good thing, or should we be commisserating with her? ;)

Congrats either way, of course!

2007-11-18 22:30:39
247.   bhsportsguy
I turned on TCM just in time to see and hear my favorite quote, "I'm shocked to find gambling here." Followed up by my equally favorite quote, "Here are your winnings."
2007-11-18 22:32:10
248.   bhsportsguy
246 I too like Naomi and congrats and best wishes, your family already got their best holiday gift.
2007-11-18 22:41:53
249.   capdodger
Stupid Cowboys. It would have been donut city at work tomorrow if the Skins had been able to cover TO.
2007-11-18 22:44:24
250.   capdodger
242 Man, I officially hate the Patriots.

But they're so sexy to watch - Like the Cobra Kai Imperial Yankees (sponsored by Standard Oil and Microsoft).

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2007-11-18 22:53:23
251.   Bob Timmermann
250
A 19-0 season for the Patriots would finally make the 1972 Dolphins shut up.

And many other people would be unhappy and I would take glee in that.

2007-11-18 22:56:11
252.   Eric Stephen
251
That's the absolute best reason to root for the Pats to go 19-0.
2007-11-18 22:57:47
253.   capdodger
251 Anything that makes members of the AARP set stop yapping is fine by me. I don't want to hear about how you wore an onion on your belt back then. I know it was the fashion at the time because you already mentioned it. Get on with it.
2007-11-18 22:58:08
254.   Bob Timmermann
The first reason or the second one?
2007-11-18 23:01:47
255.   neuroboy002
Can anyone please help me open up a .docx file? I am trying to evaluate somone's essay but have an older mac version of MS office. I was hoping someone out there could open up the file, perhaps save it as a .pdf or .doc, then send it back to me (?)

I would gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.

2007-11-18 23:04:16
256.   capdodger
255 What version of the OS are you running?
2007-11-18 23:05:58
257.   capdodger
The link below can convert those files as a widget or via email.
http://tinyurl.com/2g34rh
2007-11-18 23:06:56
258.   neuroboy002
256 I sheepishly say 10.3.9 (Panther). I googled .docx to .doc conversion but many of the downloads are 10.4 (Tiger) and above or some websites have their own fees.
2007-11-18 23:07:16
259.   Robert Daeley
249 Bwa ha hah! ;)
2007-11-18 23:09:29
260.   capdodger
I don't care about the game! I just wanted donuts! Maybe I'll bring my own to bribe off my branch chief. Poor guy's a Bills fan.
2007-11-18 23:12:11
261.   Robert Daeley
260 That'd be nice. I can feel his pain.
2007-11-18 23:15:33
262.   Eric Stephen
254
Both, actually.

In other news, Rosenthal is reporting Luis Castillo back to the Mets for 4/$25m.

The Mets also get a 1st rounder (#18) from the Braves for Glavine signing before the deadline to offer arbitration. The pick could change if the Braves sign another free agent rated higher than Glavine (79.327 out of 100 per Elias), but it's unlikely the budget-conscious Braves would sign a higher ranked (and thus more expensive) player.

Why did the Braves sign Glavine now? Wasn't it a no-brainer that he was coming back anyway? Couldn't they have waited until after December 1 to see if the Mets didn't offer him arbitration? Glavine made $13m in 2007, so he would have cost the Mets at least $10.4m in 2008 (a 20% cut) if he accepted their arbitration offer, so it's plausible that they wouldn't offer him arbitration.

I'm still bitter that the Astros pulled the same thing last year, benefiting the Padres by signing Woody Williams when it was clear he wasn't coming back to San Diego.

2007-11-18 23:16:43
263.   Eric Stephen
Bob, sorry for 262 . I should have checked the Griddle!
2007-11-18 23:22:16
264.   Bob Timmermann
263
You better be watching The Griddle closely tomorrow to find out who will win the AL MVP.

I anticipate a close vote.

2007-11-18 23:23:24
265.   neuroboy002
257 So I tried that online .docx to .doc converter 3x but for some reason, when ever I clcik on the link in my e-mail, i get a 404 not found site. ???
2007-11-18 23:41:07
266.   neuroboy002
nobody can help. i guess a man can be an island.
2007-11-19 00:39:01
267.   thinkblue0
251-

SO glad someone else agrees with me. If I have to sit through many more "well, the 72 dolphins are poppin' their champagne bottles right about now!" comments every time the last undefeated loses I'm going to go crazy.

2007-11-19 04:18:46
268.   D4P
I hate the Patriots more than any team perhaps ever

Good man. If you were old enough, you'd probably hate the 80s-90s 49ers more. But given your age, you're doing just fine.

2007-11-19 04:23:49
269.   D4P
To my knowledge, the 72 Dolphins were not caught cheating in any of their games. As you may recall, the Patriots were caught cheating. How does a team get caught cheating and not have to forfeit the game? How does "paying money to the league" compensate the team that was cheated against? If a team cheats against you, you're supposed to feel that justice was done if you get a loss in the standings but the other team has to give money to the league? How is that fair?

The Patriots should have a loss in the standings. Without it, they get an asterisk. Talk way, 72 Dolphins.

2007-11-19 05:47:32
270.   Bumsrap
Can anyone please help me open up a .docx file?

Have you tried tying an onion to your belt?

2007-11-19 05:54:17
271.   Bumsrap
253 - Anything that makes members of the AARP set stop yapping is fine by me

Nice detour from the world of political correctness

2007-11-19 05:56:58
272.   D4P
People are fooling themselves if they think the 07 Patriots (and associated media coverage) would be any less insufferable in their undefeatedness than their Dolphin counterparts.
2007-11-19 06:00:19
273.   Sam DC
Congrats HK. (Humma Kavula, not a Terminator reference).

May Naomi have a glorious life.

And she may never learn how you spent three months calling her Spawn of Kavula in a room full of sortof-butnotreally-strangers.

2007-11-19 06:01:08
274.   Sam DC
I choose the insufferability that I don't know over the insufferability that already bugs me to no end.
2007-11-19 06:06:53
275.   Sam DC
A bigger risk is that 72 Dolphins won't shut and will keep on with their glory ritual because of Spygate.

So we'll have two insufferable teams claiming to be the true last undefeated team.

It'll be like trying to decide the real Mississippi delegation to the 1964 Dem Convention in Atlantic City.

With Tom Brady as Fannie Lou Hamer.

2007-11-19 06:19:32
276.   xaphor
neuroboy002: Hopefully you have already found your answer, but if not...

.docx is the file association for the new Word '07 based around xml and incompatible with all previous versions of Word. This is true for the entire Office suite and all of the extensions have the additional 'x' added to denote this.

You can either have whoever gave you the original file save it in the old file format or get the compatibility pack from Microsoft to enable the old versions of Word the ability to read the new file format.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/924074
http://tinyurl.com/2xp8e3

2007-11-19 06:22:51
277.   D4P
A bigger risk is that 72 Dolphins won't shut and will keep on with their glory ritual because of Spygate.

So we'll have two insufferable teams claiming to be the true last undefeated team.

All the more reason to want New England to lose.

2007-11-19 06:51:38
278.   Daniel Zappala
neuroboy002: If you email the file to me, I'll convert it for you to a PDF or DOC. My email is my last name at byu.edu.
2007-11-19 06:58:50
279.   Daniel Zappala
I only allow myself to hate two teams, the Yankees and Cowboys, so I'm neutral on the Patriots. I admire how they always manage to get a bunch of no-name guys on defense that play well.

My only wish for the NFL is a good Super Bowl, for once. My preference would be for the Packers to beat the Patriots, with Favre finally winning a title and the Patriots having their unbeaten streak broken in the Super Bowl. This would put a pox on both the Patriots and the Dolphins, since the Patriots would have the longer streak but no Super Bowl that season.

2007-11-19 07:05:00
280.   silverwidow
"The Dodgers are definitely near the top," Hunter told Yahoo! Sports from his Prosper, Texas, home. "With Joe Torre there, things have got to change. He's bringing his history with them. I'm telling you, they're going to start winning.
2007-11-19 07:08:40
281.   Sam DC
280 Though he also talks up Kansas City so I'm filing that one under FreeAgentSpeak.
2007-11-19 07:10:10
282.   Ghost of Carlos Perez
279
I think Favre already won a title, back in super bowl XXXI, over the Patriots.
2007-11-19 07:33:41
283.   Daniel Zappala
282 Are you willing to accept that by "finally win a title" I meant "finally win another title"? It's been 10 years, after all.
2007-11-19 07:37:36
284.   Jon Weisman
Most discussion of the Patriots at this site is now officially in violation of rule 8. Enough is enough.

279 was an exception.

2007-11-19 07:41:18
285.   D4P
I admire how they always manage to get a bunch of no-name guys on defense that play well

It's as if they know what the other team's offense is gonna do before they do it...

2007-11-19 07:45:23
286.   Disabled List
The only way the Pats are getting beat this year is if they rest their starters and mail in one of Week 15-16-17 games.

And it doesn't seem like Belichick is in the mood to let up on anyone this year.

2007-11-19 07:50:55
287.   D4P
If I had a lot of money, I would give a lot of it for the following to happen:

1. Patriots go undefeated up to Super Bowl
2. Rams win remaining 6 games, make playoffs, make it to Super Bowl
3. Rams beat Patriots in Super Bowl, gaining some measure of revenge and ending Patriots undefeated season.

Man oh man, that would be sweet.

2007-11-19 07:51:55
288.   Disabled List
Oops, my first official Rule violation. There's goes my perfect season.

Although to be honest, I have violated Rule 11 on a couple of occasions. But nobody caught me.

2007-11-19 07:54:01
289.   D4P
Meanwhile, the Lakers have moved up to 5th in the West, with wins over Phoenix, Utah, Houston, and Detroit.
2007-11-19 07:57:20
290.   Ken Arneson
225 has redeemed this thread. Congrats to the Kavula family!
2007-11-19 07:58:25
291.   fiddlestick
Groundbreaking for the new Spring Training facility takes place today in Arizona. I strongly considered playing hooky from work today since Vin Scully will be in attendance.
2007-11-19 08:37:07
292.   Gen3Blue
I'll be gone for a couple of weeks. No, its not jail. Actually a cruise from Florida to Panama, and it will be good to get away from trade worries. Of course, who knows what shocks might await me when I get back---just in time for the winter meetings, unfortunately.
2007-11-19 08:41:07
293.   Jon Weisman
New post up top.

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