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Turn the Beat Around II
2008-04-05 08:18
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

San Diego has won 10 of the past 11 games Jake Peavy has started against the Dodgers. The only loss in that stretch was the 4+1 game.

During that time, Peavy has thrown 77 1/3 innings vs. Los Angeles with a 1.86 ERA and 79 strikeouts, while allowing 71 baserunners and six home runs.

Dodgers at Padres, 12:55 p.m.

Comments (264)
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2008-04-05 09:26:18
1.   Eric Stephen
The battle of the 0.00 ERAs!
2008-04-05 09:27:51
2.   underdog
Peavy today, Haren on Monday, Cain on Tuesday... etc. I know all the teams have the same problem, but boy, the pitching in this division is murder. Can't wait 'til the Dodgers get to hit outside the division.
2008-04-05 09:28:43
3.   underdog
(Cain last Tuesday, I meant above.)

It's all another reason I'm not going to worry too much about who's doing what in the Dodger lineup until another couple of weeks, basically. At least.

2008-04-05 09:32:02
4.   Eric Stephen
2
I choose to look at the Arizona series as the Dodgers missing Webb. Turn that frown upside down! :)
2008-04-05 09:35:36
5.   DGutierrez32
2 You said it. At least we can take satisfaction in the fact that other teams have to face Penny, Lowe, Kuroda, and Billingsley.
2008-04-05 09:36:40
6.   oshea2002
2 - other teams can't be excited about what they face with us sans Loaiza. The Pads had to face an unhittable Kuroda last night and then Penny and Lowe. Assuming the 5th starter in the second half is Schmidt or Kershaw (possibly Kuo?), that should be even better.
2008-04-05 09:38:24
7.   Jason in Canada
Go Blue!!
2008-04-05 09:45:01
8.   underdog
4/6 - True, true!

As I said, other teams have the same problems. For once, I'm sure everyone looks forward to their trips east.

Btw, there's a neat little story on minor league second baseman Kevin Howard in the LV paper today, that also ends in really lame fashion:
http://www.lvrj.com/sports/17321214.html

2008-04-05 09:52:44
9.   jasonungar07
Go Sue!
2008-04-05 09:54:43
10.   Frip
7

That's funny. You come on here and just say "Go Blue!" I don't think that's ever been said here before, beleive it or not. Seriously. How innocent.

2008-04-05 09:56:12
11.   KG16
From the last post about being a Dodgers and Angels fan... growing up, I was a fan of both but really focused in on the Dodgers in the early 90s (jr high, high school) and stopped paying a lot of attention to the Angels. The last few years, the Angels have started to pique my interest, but I really don't like the DH, so I don't pay much attention to the AL.

Also, I live 15 minutes from Angel Stadium, so it's much easier for me to get to an Angel game.

My guess is that the further south you move, the more likely you are to see fans who are fans of both teams. At least until you get to San Oneofre.

2008-04-05 10:00:23
12.   Bob Hendley
11 - In the early 60s, at least, the Angels had a farm team in Hawaii (Bob not around to correct spelling), where I had grown up. I thought that was very cool.
2008-04-05 10:01:16
13.   Jon Weisman
9 - Thanks - actually, I'm going to make a new post separate for this one about her.
2008-04-05 10:03:19
14.   Indiana Jon
That's great Jon. I hope she has a nice birthday. I'm in a very similar situation with my grandma. In fact, she's such a sports fan that she compared her recent recovery from a fall to John Wooden and judged her progress to be acceptable as long as she was ahead of his schedule. I take it she is a Dodger fan?
2008-04-05 10:05:03
15.   Lexinthedena
Today's lineup...

Furcal, SS

Martin, C

Loney, 1B

Kent, 2B

Ethier, RF

Jones, CF

Pierre, LF

DeWitt, 3B

Penny, P

I hate seeing Kemp out of the lineup, he's looked bad lately, but deserves the chance to battle through it. Good to see Loney stay in the third spot, I suspect he stays there throughout the season.

2008-04-05 10:06:07
16.   underdog
Did I miss the initial post about Sue?

For a second I thought she was the ballgirl who almost took down Andy LaRoche. Happy Birthday!

2008-04-05 10:07:31
17.   KG16
15 - eh, Kemp could probably use a day off, looks like he's been pressing lately. Though I don't like having Pierre's arm in left in a game where runs will be at a premium.
2008-04-05 10:07:44
18.   underdog
15 I did call that last night, didn't I? Alas. I had a feeling - also became even more likely with the day game following the night game. Of course, Russell gets to stay in, though I have a feeling he'll sit either tomorrow or Monday, depending on how he's feeling; if his bat continues to warm up they may keep him in there longer.
2008-04-05 10:10:38
19.   D4P
Does Torre play Pierre for the team's benefit or for Pierre's...?
2008-04-05 10:11:14
20.   LogikReader
This is nuts

Why would ticket master put Lakers playoff tickets on sale if there aren't any available. They were "sold out" at 10:01! That makes no sense.

2008-04-05 10:12:40
21.   Bob Hendley
15 - I think we figured that JP was going to start one of these games, though people were saying it would make more sense against Young based on base stealing. If that is the thinking, however, could we actually be seeing back-to-back starts for JP with Ethier sitting tomorrow?
2008-04-05 10:14:28
22.   Jason in Canada
I know the is REALLY random but my 5 year old son is watching Saturday morning cartoons and Spiderman is on. In the credits I saw someone named "Greg Weisman"... Is that Jon's brother?

If it is, here I am reading DT in British Columbia, and seeing that...? Cosmic convergence? Is this a sign? Should I buy a lottery ticket?

2008-04-05 10:15:42
23.   Johnny Nucleo
This time around we don't have the "Pit Bull" to face the Padres. Lucky for them, because he dominated them last year.
2008-04-05 10:17:20
24.   LogikReader
22

Yep

http://dodgerthoughts.baseballtoaster.com/archives/918341.html

2008-04-05 10:19:00
25.   LogikReader
19

Hard to say; this rotation is working out so far, but of all the days to start Pierre!

2008-04-05 10:19:06
26.   still bevens
If memory serves me correct one of those 10 losses to Peavy involves the Nomar blown save of last year.
2008-04-05 10:19:37
27.   Jason in Canada
How'd I miss that one? Oh I was on vacation!
2008-04-05 10:19:54
28.   Bob Loblaw
Kemp has whiffed 6 times in 4 games without a walk. He needs to sit a game. I think Torre may prefer contact hitting vs. Peavy's nasty movement.
2008-04-05 10:21:13
29.   D4P
25
I have a hard time believing Torre really thinks Pierre will outperform Kemp on any given day. I think Torre only gives Pierre PT as a way of trying to reduce hurt feelings, problems in the clubhouse, Ned's embarrassment, etc.

The fact that he sticks Pierre at the bottom of the lineup says a lot.

2008-04-05 10:24:10
30.   Indiana Jon
29 Same place in the lineup he stuck Kemp last night.
2008-04-05 10:24:59
31.   Rob M
I'm not surprised Kemp is sitting today. As many of you have already said, he's been looking uncomfortable at the plate and I'd rather have him in there against Young anyways. He's a fly ball pitcher and Kemp may take him deep. Peavy makes everyone look bad, but he's the kind of guy that Slappy might get a few seeing eye singles off of.

By the way, what trade was more lopsided, the Gasol trade for the Lakers, or the Young/Adrian Gonzalez for Otsuka and Eaton trade between the Pads and Rangers?

2008-04-05 10:25:24
32.   underdog
I think Torre has already made it clear several times he doesn't care as much about someone's feelings as he does winning. He's not Grady Little in that regard. Pierre is starting today , I guarantee, because Kemp is pressing and as 28 says Kemp is not going to bust out of that against Peavy. Why not sit him today. Pierre probably won't do much but might as well have him thrown to the lions, trying to bunt on for a hint, while giving Kemp the day off. Kemp will be back out there tomorrow and Pierre will most likely be on the bench.
2008-04-05 10:26:00
33.   Daniel Zappala
From the previous thread, underdog said about Orange County: "It's like Long Island, a once beautiful place that was ruined over time by development and people."

You can actually say that about Los Angeles too. It used to be really beautiful, with lots of open space. I wish I could have seen LA in the 50s.

2008-04-05 10:26:34
34.   D4P
31
To be fair, Memphis wasn't really looking to get "equal value" in return as much as they were looking to get rid of salary.
2008-04-05 10:27:01
35.   Bob Loblaw
21 - Speed is a good weapon against Young. Starting Pierre 2 days in a row is very possible.
2008-04-05 10:27:08
36.   Rob M
I should add the caveat that, in a perfect world, we'd trade Pierre and have a 4th outfielder that wasn't a threat to put Kemp on the Bench for any extended period in the event of a slump.
2008-04-05 10:31:06
37.   D4P
36
In a perfect world, "we'd" recognize that Pierre is that non-threatening 4th outfielder.
2008-04-05 10:32:02
38.   Rob M
34 Indeed. I was going to mention that in the initial post. Because they were actually successful in achieving the salary goals, I think the Padres trade was a bigger steal.
2008-04-05 10:32:56
39.   Bob Hendley
36 - Granted, but at least for today, I believe that sitting is more for Kemp's benefit than Torre thinking that he has to give playing time to a rampaging fourth outfielder.
2008-04-05 10:39:18
40.   underdog
33 That's true, I realized that after I wrote that. (Irony police, where are you?) But maybe I just couldn't picture LA ever looking beautiful. ;-) Maybe I just picture the movie "Chinatown" when thinking of pre-50s LA. But anyway, I said it wasn't entirely rational, though I do get sad when I go to places like Dana Point and around there and see gated communities, strip malls, sidewalk-free zones, no bookstores, and just this general attitude of closed-mindedness that has always bothered me. Yes, LA has some places like that, too, but there's a lot more culture. But anyway, as I said, it's my own personal thing.
2008-04-05 10:40:50
41.   underdog
(I meant to add above, "like Dana Point - that are in a beautiful area...")

I'm off. Enjoy the game that I shall be Tivo-ing.

2008-04-05 11:30:08
42.   Jon Weisman
Edwin Jackson leads the Yankees after three, 2-1.
2008-04-05 11:31:32
43.   D4P
42
Did you know he beat Randy Johnson when he was only 21 years old...?
2008-04-05 11:32:03
44.   El Lay Dave
The Dodgers' ground crew pulls off a niftier "prank" on Bowa than eyeblack in Gibson's cap.

From the article Jon linked in the last thread:
http://tinyurl.com/3o726m

...the third-base coaching box at Dodger Stadium. It turned out, however, that the box was only 15 feet wide, while rules call for it to be 20 feet wide. Manager Joe Torre said the grounds crew has been notified and the box will be brought into compliance when the club returns home next week.

2008-04-05 11:33:33
45.   D4P
I see that Willy Aybar is playing 3B for Tampa Bay today, and has, of course, drawn a walk.
2008-04-05 11:35:15
46.   El Lay Dave
Kuroda was very good last night and I hope it is a sign of good things to come. I will temper my enthusiasm by noting that Kaz Ishii struck out ten in his debut, and in each of his first two starts allowed no runs and two hits, in 11 2/3 IP total.
2008-04-05 11:37:12
47.   Gagne55
43 I think it was actually his 20th birthday.

Also, accuscore doesn't like the Dodger's chances today.

2008-04-05 11:39:01
48.   Bob Hendley
42 - Whoa! If this keeps up will soon have someone signing in as BC4JT.
2008-04-05 11:41:07
49.   Bob Hendley
5 - Shew! (Hope Peavy hasn't copyrighted this).
2008-04-05 11:44:00
50.   schoffle
Ok so a few weeks ago many here were angst that Pierre would start over Either, now it seems that instead Pierre is playing over Kemp, yet there is no similar outrage.

Does anyone think that Either has surpassed Kemp in value, is it that people are placing their trust in Torre to do what is best for Kemp's or is there some other explaination as to why the furor over a possible platoon with Either is less than that for an actual platoon (ok maybe it's a bit early to state) with Kemp?

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2008-04-05 11:46:20
51.   Jason in Canada
10 It's been said many times on here by me o'er the years. And one more time, Go blue!!
2008-04-05 11:47:46
52.   regfairfield
50 Because we had three months to post long winded rants about Ethier. All we can do three hours before the game is say "grrr, Pierre is starting over Kemp". Just seems kind of unnecessary.
2008-04-05 11:48:28
53.   Bob Hendley
Read where the Lakers have made the playoffs in 55 of the 60 years the franchise has existed. Even with the expansion of the playoffs, that is truely impressive.
2008-04-05 11:49:08
54.   Jimmy B
This has nothing to do with anything here with the Dodgers, but am I high for really liking the Tampa Bay Rays team this season?
2008-04-05 11:49:38
55.   Indiana Jon
50 Ethier is nowhere near surpassing Kemp and never will be.
2008-04-05 11:50:00
56.   Jon Weisman
50 - My assumption is that Pierre won't regularly start in place of Kemp.
2008-04-05 11:51:09
57.   Gagne55
48 The thing about Jackson, though is that with his options used up he had to spend all of 2007 in the majors. The Dodgers could not have afforded to have had Jackson getting pounded on a regular basis as he was in the first half of '07 while in a tight division race. And Jackson would likely have gotten waived anyway. Tampa Bay, a last place club without any decent pitching options anyway, could let Jackson take his licks.
2008-04-05 11:53:30
58.   Bob Hendley
50 - I think its the Torre trust thing. There was the thinking (resignation)that JP was going to start one of the games and that Kemp might need a one-day sitdown, particulalry against Peavy. Now, when Ethier sits tomorrow, there will be bear to pay!
2008-04-05 11:55:40
59.   D4P
My assumption is that Pierre won't regularly start in place of Kemp

But it appears that Pierre will start occasionally in place of Kemp. Thus far, Pierre will have started 2 of the first 5 games. I did the math, and that's 40%.

Which begs the question I posed in 19 .

2008-04-05 12:00:30
60.   Bob Hendley
57 - I hear you, but we were willing to have a couple of PVLs pounded instead?
2008-04-05 12:01:27
61.   Jon Weisman
59 - I think he does it for the team's benefit. Whether he's right or wrong is another matter.
2008-04-05 12:01:57
62.   Jon Weisman
Jackson leads 5-1 after five.
2008-04-05 12:02:59
63.   schoffle
56

2 out of 5 is beginning to worry me. It seems to indicate that perhaps Torre is a big fan of small samples (which is a theory that I also support by pointing to the shuffling of the batting order), or that Torre is intent on placating Pierre and doesn't think very highly of Kemp. Maybe Torre is just figuring out the team before he gets settled but I do not think getting pulled from the lineup is doing much for Kemp's confidence leave (and that could be important to an inexperienced player).

2008-04-05 12:03:41
64.   Eric Enders
59 "I did the math, and that's 40%."

And two hours ago, it was 20%. It's a little early to think we know for sure what the pattern will be.

2008-04-05 12:04:20
65.   Eric Enders
Actually, two hours ago it was 25%. I am obviously not as good at math as D4P.
2008-04-05 12:04:25
66.   D4P
61
What do you think Torre thinks Pierre brings that Kemp doesn't? I remember Torre touting Pierre's leadoff-hitting kinda skills (i.e. speed, etc.), but then Torre doesn't put Pierre at the top of the lineup.
2008-04-05 12:05:31
67.   D4P
65
Yeah. Leave the math to those of us with numbers in our names.
2008-04-05 12:06:36
68.   Eric Enders
57 "The thing about Jackson, though is that with his options used up he had to spend all of 2007 in the majors. The Dodgers could not have afforded to have had Jackson getting pounded on a regular basis as he was in the first half of '07 while in a tight division race."

Of course they could have. As it was, they spent all year watching their fifth starter get pounded on a regular basis, whether it was Tomko or Hendrickson. It could easily have been Jackson getting pounded instead.

2008-04-05 12:09:02
69.   Jon Weisman
66 - I think that Torre thinks Pierre will get on base against Jake Peavy more than Kemp will on April 5, 2008.

The main thing for me, I suppose, is I just want to enjoy the weekend rather than worry about Matt Kemp not starting 162 games.

2008-04-05 12:11:22
70.   Bob Loblaw
I would hope JP starts fewer than 25% of the games. However, I do see reasoning for him to start today & tomorrow.
2008-04-05 12:11:23
71.   Bob Loblaw
I would hope JP starts fewer than 25% of the games. However, I do see reasoning for him to start today & tomorrow.
2008-04-05 12:13:27
72.   Eric Enders
I would rather Pierre started tomorrow instead of today. Tomorrow, with TCY pitching, he's likely to genuinely be one of our three best OF options.

As it stands, he'll probably start BOTH today and tomorrow, and then the number will be 50% and D4P can really commence worrying.

2008-04-05 12:15:55
73.   D4P
then the number will be 50% and D4P can really commence worrying

Well, I don't want to ruin Jon's weekend...

I'm actually not worrying so much as trying to understand where Torre is coming from and what is motivating him to start Pierre.

2008-04-05 12:21:35
74.   JoeyP
Kemp's been benched 2 out of 5 games already for Juan.

If that doesnt worry people, then nothing will.

Go Memphis!

2008-04-05 12:22:49
75.   JoeyP
However, I do see reasoning for him to start today & tomorrow.

There's never a good reason to start Juan Pierre over Ethier, Druw, or Kemp.

2008-04-05 12:24:51
76.   D4P
To clarify, I would better understand (though not support) Torre's position if Pierre were hitting 1st or 2nd in the lineup. This would at least jive with the old-school, Pierre Gets On Base An Awful Lot, Pierre Wreaks Havoc On Pitchers, Pierre Sets The Table, etc. philosophy.

But playing Pierre (when there are other options) and batting him 7th doesn't really make sense from any perspective.

2008-04-05 12:28:58
77.   Eric Enders
76 I'm not sure I understand this. You're against playing him, but if he does play, he needs to bat in a prominent place in the lineup, and one which will net him more at-bats?
2008-04-05 12:30:36
78.   Bob Hendley
76 - Seems simple to me, JP is starting today because Torre wants to sit Kemp against Peavy and if JP starts tomorrow it will be because of the old-school logic, whereby Ethier sits.
2008-04-05 12:30:47
79.   Jon Weisman
76 - Torre thinks Pierre will get on base more than Kemp but less than Ethier, Loney, etc.
2008-04-05 12:39:08
80.   Dave60
From Baseball Prospectus today, the only right-handed hitters, age 22 or less, since World War II to hit .320 with at least 250 at-bats: Alex Rodriguez, Matt Kemp, Al Kaline, Albert Pujols, Hank Aaron, Vladimir Guerrero, Miguel Cabrera, Paul Molitor, Frank Robinson, and Cesar Cedeno (twice). What're the odds that Torre reads BP?
2008-04-05 12:42:20
81.   Eric Enders
80 If you up it to .340 the list becomes just A-Rod, Kaline, and Kemp.
2008-04-05 12:45:10
82.   gpellamjr
77 I think you're missing D4P's point. He is questioning Torre's motivation for starting Pierre here. If he put him up at the top of the order, then that would at least mean that Torre is just an old-school kind of manager, wanting the slap-hitting speedster at the top of the order. Though wrong, this move would have some reasoning behind it.

But if he starts Pierre and puts him at the bottom of the batting order, then he realizes that Pierre is not a good hitter, but is just trying to force him into the lineup.

I'm not sure if I agree with D4P here, but I do share his concern that Pierre will be starting way too much this year.

2008-04-05 12:50:15
83.   trainwreck
Ugh, not Vasgersian.
2008-04-05 12:50:55
84.   Eric Enders
82 I understand the worry, I just think too much is being made of it too early. We haven't given Torre a chance to establish a pattern of usage before criticizing that usage. And Pierre starting two of three games against the Padres, the one team in baseball most susceptible to the stolen base, is not the end of the world.

It's not even necessarily about Pierre, either. Even knowing what we do about sample sizes and all that, having watched Matt Kemp hit the last two days, does anyone really think he'd do well against Peavy today?

2008-04-05 12:51:12
85.   gpellamjr
For some reason it seems like I'm not being blacked-out on mlb.tv!!!
2008-04-05 12:52:18
86.   ucladodger
Edwin looked really good today, especially the last 3 innings. After walking the leadoff hitter of the game, he only had 1 more in 6 innings to go with 4 k's (Jeter twice and A-Rod once). The Ray bullpen is trying to blow the game, but i'm happy for Edwin to start the season on a big positive.
2008-04-05 12:53:03
87.   gpellamjr
84 I think Kemp is more likely than Pierre to do will against Peavy today.
2008-04-05 12:53:21
88.   JoeyP
having watched Matt Kemp hit the last two days, does anyone really think he'd do well against Peavy today?

I'll put more credence into Pierre's suckage his entire career, rather than Kemp's last two days suckage.

2008-04-05 12:54:09
89.   Bob Loblaw
I think Pierre playing today and/or tomorrow is just a matter of matchups. Torre probably feels that Peavy would exploit the holes in Kemp's swing, whereas Pierre making contact will at least give him a chance to get on base. Tomorrow Kemp probably plays and Ethier sits because Pierre's speed is an asset with Young's inability to hold runners.

I don't think it means Pierre is a starting outfielder.

2008-04-05 12:55:48
90.   Frip
Can anyone tell me the fastest/best way to find the opposing teams lineup on any given day? I went to the Padres MLB site and I couldn't find it. Thanks for any help.
2008-04-05 12:56:10
91.   overkill94
James "Popeye" Loney?
2008-04-05 12:56:29
92.   trainwreck
Beimel's best skill is doing the starting lineups.
2008-04-05 12:57:01
93.   LogikReader
All right! A shout out to "Troy from West Virginia" from Joe Beimel during the lineups!

I think he said "And now, Troy from West Virginia's biggest fan, Andre Ethier"

Very nice.

2008-04-05 12:57:37
94.   bigcpa
If Kemp was sitting with Brian "Arm Angles" Lawrence pitching I'd be more concerned. Torre gives Kemp a rest and preempts a possible 0-5 with 4 K's. I'm over it, but he better be back in there tomorrow.
2008-04-05 12:57:52
95.   Retire 55
Wow @ Joe Beimel. Awesome.
2008-04-05 12:57:53
96.   JoeyP
I see that Willy Aybar is playing 3B for Tampa Bay today, and has, of course, drawn a walk

And a home run.

2008-04-05 12:58:20
97.   D4P
82
You have accurately described my point.
2008-04-05 13:00:21
98.   overkill94
Ugh, looks like it might be a long day for the Dodgers' offense...as expected
2008-04-05 13:00:57
99.   scareduck
82 , 77 , etc. -- I agree with those saying that it's way too early to start criticizing Torre's usage patterns when he's barely established any.

Jake Peavy is making it look easy. This is gonna be a hard game.

2008-04-05 13:01:26
100.   Jimmy B
Peavy looks absolutely vicious today. Either that or the Dodgers look sleepy.
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2008-04-05 13:01:29
101.   trainwreck
Well that was not the greatest of starts.
2008-04-05 13:01:57
102.   JoeyP
Peavy, wow.
2008-04-05 13:03:03
103.   MollyKnight
Oof.

Did anyone record a loud foul?

2008-04-05 13:03:06
104.   scareduck
OMG that XM ad is annoying. Yanksox alla time is one of the most annoying misfeatures of modern MLB marketing, and they hammer that point.
2008-04-05 13:04:04
105.   overkill94
103 Nope
2008-04-05 13:04:25
106.   scareduck
Now that I think about it, I wish I was watching the Dodgers game at home considering how badly the Angels' home opener turned out. Just a real laugher for the Rangers, though the bottom of the ninth was pretty funny.
2008-04-05 13:04:31
107.   Eric Enders
I would like to thank my local Fox station for picking such an opportune time to go completely off the air.
2008-04-05 13:05:01
108.   overkill94
I think my favorite Beimel introduction was Brad "I don't know if I want to be a redneck or a Hollywood starlet" Penny
2008-04-05 13:06:02
109.   RELX
The question is, does Torre consider Kemp an everyday player? If so, he deserves a chance to hit his way out of slumps, and play against touch pitchers. He shouldn't be benched every few games, or against tough right handers. As a comparison, Torre didn't bench Martin after his 0 for 10 start, nor has he benched Jones, who is 3 for 15 with one extra base hit so far and hasn't looked very good either.

Until Pierre is traded, this is going to be a continuing issue--unless the Dodgers plan on continuing with this nonsense for the next four seasons.

2008-04-05 13:06:45
110.   scareduck
Welp, there's the ballgame.

(J/k)

2008-04-05 13:07:54
111.   arbfuldodger
85 Thanks gpellamjr for letting us know ... I'm in Wa. and I just assumed the Fox games would be blacked out like they were the past 2 season, and our Fox game is Det/CWS game since we are in a AL region.
2008-04-05 13:11:02
112.   Jimmy B
Um. That's not how I saw the game starting out.
2008-04-05 13:11:42
113.   Frip
108

If Beimel said that he's super cool funny.

2008-04-05 13:12:36
114.   trainwreck
This is like getting beaten to death by a yo-yo.
2008-04-05 13:12:53
115.   JoeyP
How did Gonzalez not run on Pierre's arm?
2008-04-05 13:14:25
116.   oshea2002
I guess there's no sense in Penny wasting a good performance on Peavy, might as well get one of the clunkers out of the way.
2008-04-05 13:15:23
117.   JoeyP
Ditto Kouzmanoff.

Lots of respect for Juan's arm..

2008-04-05 13:15:52
118.   ucladodger
Penny cant locate the curve. 3 runs might be enough for Peavy.
2008-04-05 13:16:08
119.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Dusty Baker says:

The Padres are base clogging machines.

2008-04-05 13:16:47
120.   oshea2002
118 - I think 1 run might be enough for Peavy. 3 is like 8 for other guys.
2008-04-05 13:16:56
121.   scareduck
114 - or being barked to death by Pomeranians.
2008-04-05 13:17:34
122.   Branch Rickey
Beimel's whole intro was pretty funny but in the interest of accuracy he said "hollywood star" not "hollywood starlet". Let's not start any bizarre rumors.
2008-04-05 13:18:10
123.   Jimmy B
Well on that 4+1 game, Penny gave up 4 runs in the first inning going up against Peavy. So that's where my hope lies.
2008-04-05 13:18:18
124.   Who Is Karim Garcia
108

I hate myself for missing that.

2008-04-05 13:19:46
125.   Who Is Karim Garcia
If we do need a pitcher for extended relief, is Loaiza the guy? Actually, I guess it would be Park considering he was called up specifically for this kind of situation.
2008-04-05 13:20:21
126.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Indians Manager Lou Brown says:
Get in front of the ball, Dorn!!!!
2008-04-05 13:21:54
127.   ROC
After a work week with Torre, here's my takeaways:
1) Mostly, he goes with the hot hand
2) It defines his lineups (or used w/benchings)
3) The 'grind out the SP' strat NYY used last year being repeated

Other patterns (e.g. SP w/rain & 80% Kemp) I think are just being magnified early in the season. If Either slumps in early May, I think Pierre will take his starts like he is Kemp right now.

2008-04-05 13:21:57
128.   scareduck
125 - Joe Torre agrees.
2008-04-05 13:22:11
129.   Bluebleeder87
I'm hearing the game on the radio & Monday says Penny is leaving his curveball up, sigh
2008-04-05 13:22:56
130.   JoeyP
38 pitches for Penny.
2008-04-05 13:23:28
131.   JoeyP
38 pitches for Penny.
2008-04-05 13:24:03
132.   Who Is Karim Garcia
130

Curt Schilling is suing for copyright infringement.

2008-04-05 13:24:13
133.   Frip
124 Good point. Pomeranians aren't even dogs, they're malfunctioning toys stuck on yap mode.
2008-04-05 13:24:30
134.   gpellamjr
I blame that whole inning on Juan Pierre.

Either him or D4P, I'm not sure which.

2008-04-05 13:24:35
135.   oshea2002
I wonder how many times the Padre lineup will bat around this year?
2008-04-05 13:25:44
136.   NWdodger
Penny appears to be overthrowing his fastball and not locating his curveball. He hit 97 several times. So far no sign of the cutter.
2008-04-05 13:27:17
137.   Frip
Would be interesting to see if Penny would yell at Torre for being yanked early like he did Grady Little. I don't think that kind of outburst would cut it with Torre.
2008-04-05 13:30:31
138.   JoeyP
Park's probably the long man today, unless Torre's comfortable throwing Troncoso for 2-3 innings.
2008-04-05 13:32:37
139.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Let's hope that Penny can settle down and Peavy.... um, let's hope.... um,... that.... well... is rain in the forecast?

DeWitt gets DeRunner! Nice play.

2008-04-05 13:32:48
140.   madmac
DeWitt sucks at 3rd
2008-04-05 13:33:37
141.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Penny isn't getting the corners at all today.
2008-04-05 13:33:57
142.   Bob Hendley
138 - Who's throwing day is it?
2008-04-05 13:35:04
143.   oshea2002
139 - the only chance as I see it is to get a couple cheapies and have this be like 4-2 in the 9th for Trevor Time!
2008-04-05 13:35:07
144.   Who Is Karim Garcia
138 I think it would usually be Billingsley's, but considering he went two innings yesterday...
2008-04-05 13:35:30
145.   NWdodger
Looks like someone told Penny to slow it down a little, he's hitting 93-94 this inning.
2008-04-05 13:36:00
146.   Frip
Steiner and Monday are WAY jumping the gun on Dewitt's talent.
2008-04-05 13:38:02
147.   Who Is Karim Garcia
146 What did they say, Frip?
2008-04-05 13:39:21
148.   JoeyP
58 through 2ip for Penny.
2008-04-05 13:40:48
149.   gpellamjr
143 That's the only chance? Is Peavy superhuman? He never loses games?
2008-04-05 13:41:32
150.   madmac
Penny was twice as effective that inning. Can't wait till the 3rd
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2008-04-05 13:42:32
151.   scareduck
6-3 Rays? The Rays beat the Yanks at home?

Oh my God! We're in the alternate, evil universe!

2008-04-05 13:43:07
152.   scareduck
150 - 3rd inning: three pitches, three outs. You watch.
2008-04-05 13:44:25
153.   JoeyP
DeWitt another long Ab.
He's totally changed his approach from his minor league days.
2008-04-05 13:44:27
154.   ROC
DeWitt had the best AB vs. Peavy so far...
2008-04-05 13:45:50
155.   Who Is Karim Garcia
143 Of course it isn't our ONLY chance. I mean, a comet could strike petco park....

Jake Peavy only gave up 5 or more earned runs in an outing twice last season.

2008-04-05 13:46:09
156.   oshea2002
149 - not "no" chance. But realistically a 4 run lead for Peavy with how he normally pitches against us is a tall mountain to climb, very tall.
2008-04-05 13:46:19
157.   madmac
152 that prob won't come till the 4th or 5th.
2008-04-05 13:46:55
158.   JoeyP
Did Peavy end up signing his extension with the Padres?

If so, what amount?

2008-04-05 13:48:31
159.   madmac
working the counts, getting his pitch total is prob our best shot at this point.
2008-04-05 13:49:23
160.   schoffle
ok, so game day durring DeWitt's at bat showed Pitch 3 (Ball) a heck of a lot closer than Pitch 5 (Called Strike), did anyone watching notice this to be the case, or is it time for me to abandon my trust in gameday?
2008-04-05 13:50:19
161.   scareduck
Nice to see Jimmy Edmonds is still suceptable to the eye-high fastball.
2008-04-05 13:51:01
162.   madmac
ah, love it. Karros impersonating Brantley
2008-04-05 13:51:29
163.   scareduck
158 - $52M, 3 years, with a club option for a fourth year.
2008-04-05 13:51:48
164.   Gagne55
149 Not against the Dodgers anyway.
2008-04-05 13:52:49
165.   gpellamjr
160 Yes, I noticed that. I almost didn't believe that strike 2 was called a strike.
2008-04-05 13:53:52
166.   madmac
what did I say. twice as effective in the 3rd than the 2nd
2008-04-05 13:54:16
167.   Jimmy B
Great baserunning by Furcal!
2008-04-05 13:54:17
168.   madmac
3baG baby
2008-04-05 13:54:28
169.   scareduck
Nice to see the Padres' recent tradition of hiring dancing bears for the outfield continues unabated.
2008-04-05 13:54:43
170.   Who Is Karim Garcia
153 I really won't have a real opinion of DeWitt until he hits somewhere other than 8th. I think htting in front of the pitcher aids him seeing more pitches since most pitchers won't mind pitching around him to get to the ninth slot.
2008-04-05 13:55:09
171.   MollyKnight
Yes. Yes!
2008-04-05 13:56:16
172.   madmac
but is doesn't matter where you are in the batting order
2008-04-05 13:56:55
173.   madmac
that was my question, a guy was holding the catcher as caught it
2008-04-05 13:57:07
174.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Every time I see Peavy pitch I can't help but think of what Darren Dreifort could have been. I think they are very similar in terms of the break on their pitches.
2008-04-05 13:57:19
175.   scareduck
Wow, that could be huge if Martin's out isn't an out.
2008-04-05 13:57:45
176.   madmac
ok, maybe not
2008-04-05 13:57:46
177.   KAYVMON
Its close, but his glove was in the dugout.
2008-04-05 13:57:58
178.   madmac
nice
2008-04-05 13:57:59
179.   fanerman
We scored!
2008-04-05 13:58:16
180.   overkill94
Does that count as a sac fly?
2008-04-05 13:58:19
181.   ROC
Correct call...an out + run scores.
2008-04-05 13:58:22
182.   scareduck
Every day the game is played, something amazing and unpredictable can happen. That is just wild.
2008-04-05 13:58:33
183.   KAYVMON
But why is Furcal scoring the remedy? Shouldn't Martin just get to hit
2008-04-05 13:58:37
184.   overkill94
Error? That's harsh.
2008-04-05 13:58:43
185.   Who Is Karim Garcia
172 Really? The 8th batter will get more walks simply because the softest batter in the lineup is behind him. Maybe you have a different take on it.
2008-04-05 13:59:07
186.   madmac
funny, if he dropped it he wouldn't have got an error
2008-04-05 13:59:13
187.   MollyKnight
What happened? Yahoo froze!
2008-04-05 13:59:18
188.   Still love Campy
I'll take a run any way I can get it.
2008-04-05 13:59:32
189.   Who Is Karim Garcia
180 I was ready to ask Bob when the last time (if ever) we had a sac fly to the catcher.
2008-04-05 13:59:39
190.   ROC
Let's hope the wackiness discombobulates Peavy and we tack on some more.
2008-04-05 14:00:37
191.   madmac
185 talk to regfairfield
2008-04-05 14:00:40
192.   NWdodger
I can't see how that is an out.
2008-04-05 14:00:47
193.   Jimmy B
Jim Edmonds is having a rough time out there in center.
2008-04-05 14:00:55
194.   Still love Campy
Oh, yeah, this is the start.
2008-04-05 14:01:24
195.   ROC
Edmonds (whom I share a High School with) has appeared to have lost a step ;)
2008-04-05 14:01:29
196.   MollyKnight
Yes! Loney!
2008-04-05 14:01:31
197.   scareduck
Woo hoo! Go Loney!

Karros: "Can you ask me again how Jim Edmonds is gonna adjust to this field?"

Same old Jimmy Edmonds from St. Louis, except he's a step slower and more injury-prone.

2008-04-05 14:02:19
198.   scareduck
190 - looks like you got your wish.
2008-04-05 14:02:29
199.   Who Is Karim Garcia
TIme for us to start clogging the bases.
2008-04-05 14:03:54
200.   NWdodger
The recap the first out: Martin hit a foul ball that Bard caught while sliding into the dugout. It was ruled he went out of the field of play and Furcal was awarded home. They still gave the Padre's the out and gave Bard an error.
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2008-04-05 14:03:55
201.   scareduck
195 - Edmonds has always been a showboat who liked to play shallow. When he was younger he could get away with that, but not anymore.
2008-04-05 14:05:00
202.   Indiana Jon
What happened with Martin?
2008-04-05 14:05:11
203.   NWdodger
Still giving Peavy that high strike
2008-04-05 14:05:59
204.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Somebody get Bob Timmerman to give us the exact rule.
2008-04-05 14:06:07
205.   madmac
bummer
2008-04-05 14:06:26
206.   NWdodger
Martin was called out.
2008-04-05 14:06:46
207.   Frip
Monday: "There are instances where you have to report four outs in an inning"

kewl

2008-04-05 14:07:53
208.   schoffle
165

Thanks

203

I was about to ask that (based on gameday)

2008-04-05 14:08:37
209.   Branch Rickey
Strange looking play bur the call was pretty straight forward: It was ruled that he caught the ball and in the process of catching the ball, he went out of the field of play. Batter is out and runner is awarded one base.
2008-04-05 14:08:51
210.   ROC
200 he was also assisted by Padre coaches/players...does that factor in?
2008-04-05 14:08:55
211.   madmac
ok, penny. 5 pitches here
2008-04-05 14:11:00
212.   Vishal
59 because bob doesn't appear to be here, i will point you to: http://begthequestion.info/
2008-04-05 14:11:51
213.   fanerman
Shoulda been there for that one Andruw!
2008-04-05 14:13:46
214.   Dylan Hernandez
Rule 7.04c

Each runner, other than the batter, may without liability to be put out, advance once base when…

A fielder, after catching a fly ball, falls into a bench or stand, or falls across ropes into a crowd when spectators are on the field.

2008-04-05 14:14:15
215.   fanerman
My that Ethier, what a scrappy dive!
2008-04-05 14:14:22
216.   NWdodger
Web gem by Ethier
2008-04-05 14:14:35
217.   gpellamjr
Ee-thee-ay! Ee-thee-ay!
2008-04-05 14:14:46
218.   overkill94
204 5.10 (f) states:

"The ball becomes dead when an umpire calls 'Time'. The umpire-in-chief shall call 'Time' --"

"When a fielder, after catching a foul ball, falls into a bench or stand, or falls across ropes into a crowd when spectators are on the field. As pertains to runners, the provisions of 7.04(c) shall prevail."

Then, 7.04(c) says:

"Each runner, other than the batter, may without liability to be put out, advance one base when--"

"A fielder, after catching a fly ball, falls into a bench or stand, or falls across ropes into a crowd when spectators are on the field"

2008-04-05 14:15:21
219.   Zzyzx
Great catch!
2008-04-05 14:17:00
220.   gpellamjr
214 Does it say whether the player who falls into the dugout or stands, thereby allowing the runner(s) to move up, should be given an error? Or does it say it's only an error when the home team's ace is pitching and his ERA is to be protected at all costs?
2008-04-05 14:17:31
221.   Bluebleeder87
I don't think a right handed RF makes the play Ethier made, just got back home & that's the play I saw, cool!
2008-04-05 14:17:48
222.   scareduck
That was a scrappy at-bat. Minus the "s".
2008-04-05 14:19:30
223.   Bluebleeder87
Andruw Jones swing sickens me, it seems like he puts no thought into it (pull pull pull) if your a pitcher it's a no brainer how you wanna pitch to him, AGH!!
2008-04-05 14:19:30
224.   overkill94
220 Well, his run was earned anyway since Loney got a double right afterward, but let me check to see what the error rule says...
2008-04-05 14:20:56
225.   scareduck
Well, that's one way to get on base. Ouch.
2008-04-05 14:21:27
226.   fanerman
DeWitt takes one for the team, ensures our #9 hitter doesn't lead off in the 6th.
2008-04-05 14:21:31
227.   Bob Hendley
A proposal for the nickname James Loney challenge. Given the way that the ball rifles off his bat, he should be called the Rifleman. But since the Dodgers have already had a Rifleman, we can call him the Texas Rifleman (Chuck Connors was born in Brooklyn, by the way). The name is a tribute to his hitting, pays homage to Dodger tradition and Hollywood, and acknowledges his roots. Downside: Not sure if this is PC enough to get this past the Stanford-types, where the mascot is a tree trunk.
2008-04-05 14:22:22
228.   gpellamjr
224 That makes sense. Thanks.
2008-04-05 14:23:01
229.   ROC
Stilanovich's influence on DeWitt pays off. Combined.
2008-04-05 14:23:16
230.   Bob Hendley
214 - I think that there is a Texas clause to that, which covers the situation when a player is roped by the crowd.
2008-04-05 14:24:28
231.   Frip
Ad: "This isn't some trendy micro-brew, this is Budweiser."

Now that takes some nerve.

2008-04-05 14:24:52
232.   overkill94
224 10.12(a) says:

"The official scorer shall charge an error against any fielder who -- "

(1) "...or permits a runner to advance one or more bases..."

so it looks like according the rule book it is a legitimate error unless the official scorer thinks the runner would have scored anyway.

2008-04-05 14:25:57
233.   schoffle
222

223

If Joe wants to start Pierre tommorrow, he should consider him in centerfield rather than left.

Not that I am advocating starting Pierre, I just happen to believe that Torre wants to start him.

2008-04-05 14:26:09
234.   fanerman
Loney shows off his glove.

Meanwhile, Eric Karros tells it like it is for the Giants. I appreciate his honesty.

2008-04-05 14:26:09
235.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Eric Karros calls this analysis:

Their current players have to score runs and play well everyday to win

2008-04-05 14:30:04
236.   Marty
Nate Colbert.
2008-04-05 14:30:10
237.   Jimmy B
Ugh. Death by papercuts again.
2008-04-05 14:32:03
238.   fanerman
Andre Ethier fights off the sun to catch 2 flyballs in that inning. That's why Stilanovich called him.
2008-04-05 14:33:26
239.   Bluebleeder87
235

Ha!, hey man, he's gotta talk for 3+ hours cut him some slack. I gotta admit though, that was a good one.

2008-04-05 14:35:27
240.   fanerman
Maybe Russell needs a day off.
2008-04-05 14:35:29
241.   Gen3Blue
I got in and started watching in the fourth.
I can sort of guess what happened in the first. Last year I was amazed at how many times our pitchers seemed unready early in the game and then pitched fine later. of course, often it was too late. I didn't think of that when reading in Bill Jame's "Gold Mine" about the Dodgers often trailing after 3 innings. He attributed this to the D's batting their two worst OBP's at the top of the inning, but combining the two it really makes sense.
Looks like a lot of singles by SD in the first--were they accidental dingers or was Penny up in the zone as mentioned?

Looks like Bad Penny/Good Penny.

2008-04-05 14:39:35
242.   MollyKnight
Wow. Bases loaded for the Mets with one out and Jose Reyes lined a single to center. Mark Kotsay dove and trapped it on the bounce. For some reason, the umpires called it a catch. And then Kotsay threw it to second for a double play.

The Mets came screaming out of the dugout, and now the umps have reversed the call. They are calling the Mets runners back out on the bases. I have no idea what they are going to do now.

2008-04-05 14:41:01
243.   MollyKnight
What a mess. The runner on second ended up passing the runner on third. I guess they're just going to allow everyone to advance one base. Oof.
2008-04-05 14:41:13
244.   Bluebleeder87
oh wow, what a nice heads up play by Torre (I didn't know that) I guess the catcher gets some kind of penalty for making a cool catch??
2008-04-05 14:43:36
245.   fanerman
Andre does not make excuses.
2008-04-05 14:43:39
246.   Underbruin
A note in case it hasn't been posted elsewhere:

Old friend Dioner Navarro has been placed on the DL with a finger injury.

2008-04-05 14:43:51
247.   Bob Hendley
242 - Was there a rope involved in the Met's challenge of the umpire?
2008-04-05 14:43:52
248.   Gen3Blue
Confounding! I have the Mets game on while I follow the D's on Gameday. The Umps don't look real good.

Meanwhile, without the first inning, Penny is winning.

2008-04-05 14:44:19
249.   Gen3Blue
Confounding! I have the Mets game on while I follow the D's on Gameday. The Umps don't look real good.

Meanwhile, without the first inning, Penny is winning.

2008-04-05 14:45:08
250.   Marty
It looks like the D-Train's arm may have just unraveled.
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2008-04-05 14:45:49
251.   Frip
Oh I love, I love, I love my Molly-ohhh

Whiskey in the Jar
-Thin Lizzy

2008-04-05 14:48:41
252.   MollyKnight
There was nothing the umps could do in that situation because they blew the initial call, so all the baserunners were hung out to dry. Two runs would have scored on the hit by Reyes. Instead, the runner on third didn't move (because he saw the umpire gesture out), and the so the runner on second lapped him.

In the end, everyone was sad.

2008-04-05 14:48:55
253.   Gen3Blue
Wow, they are really running up Peavy's pitch count this inning.
2008-04-05 14:50:37
254.   Bob Hendley
253 - Forget the pitch count. Kent had the right idea, swing at the first pitch. Bring on the Bison.
2008-04-05 14:53:22
255.   scareduck
I must say Eric Karros has gotten much less annoying as an announcer over the last couple years. He's lost the bitterness he so obviously held toward the Dodgers when he first started broadcasting.
2008-04-05 14:54:39
256.   Bluebleeder87
Here are some Beimel fun facts>>During Beimel's years at Allegany the Trojans advanced to the Junior College World Series both seasons. At Duquesne University he was the team leader in wins and complete games and was second on the staff in strikeouts and ERA.
2008-04-05 14:57:00
257.   Jon Weisman
NPUT
2008-04-05 14:57:28
258.   Bob Hendley
255 - What does he have to be bitter about? Didn't we hand the job to him and unload Konerko?
2008-04-05 14:58:48
259.   Frip
Steiner's favorite refrain is always some variation on "it can be debated long into the night." The guy has never come to a conclusion in his entire life. It's just not in him. (See his XM conversation with Jon).
2008-04-05 15:02:04
260.   ROC
Is Christopher Guest directing DirecTV commercials these days?
2008-04-05 15:02:37
261.   Underbruin
Once again, worth noting that DeWitt has had some excellent at-bats, even when he hasn't gotten a hit in. This last one was another deep count, and he got a good pitch and just didn't quite get it into a gap. Very positive sign.
2008-04-05 15:04:30
262.   RELX
BTW--good thing we didn't start Kemp today, as he would have certainly had problems with Peavy...unlike the rest of the team.
2008-04-05 15:05:21
263.   oshea2002
Well, my plan of 4-2 by the 9th didn't work. Peavy is very tough. Maybe Hoffy will implode.
2008-04-05 15:11:24
264.   DGutierrez32
252 I was hoping by some odd chance they'd allow the runner to score from second, which would give my fantasy team an additional RBI courtesy of Reyes.

How is Troncoso (aka Tronqueso) looking?

Dontrelle Willis with a 6BB no hitter, broken up by Thome (on my fantasy team!). Good to see the Tigers lose again, I'm already tired of seeing them after 3 of their first four games were shown on AFN.

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