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Good News for the Offseason: Friday Night Lights and an Office Spinoff
2008-04-02 11:43
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Both are targeted for early 2009, writes Josef Adalian of Variety.

Update: The details of NBC's long-rumored FNL deal with DirecTV have begun to crystalize. From a press release:

"DIRECTV would have exclusive rights to the season's 13 new episodes beginning Wednesday, October 1 on DIRECTV's entertainment channel 'The 101.'

"NBC would begin broadcasting the Season 3 episodes of the Peabody Award-winning drama on Fridays (9-10 p.m. ET), starting soon after NBC's telecast of the Super Bowl in 2009. "

Update 2: The Office spinoff will premiere in the post-Super Bowl slot.

* * *

A 1954 scouting report by Branch Rickey on Don Drysdale has been published on Baseball Digest Daily (link via Baseball Think Factory).

Comments (125)
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2008-04-02 11:49:50
1.   KG16
Wow, reading through that, I just realized that ER is the only show on NBC that I watch any more... and that's only rarely these days.
2008-04-02 11:51:03
2.   KingKopitar
Who would star in a spin-off of The Office? Andy?
2008-04-02 11:53:12
3.   Terry A
The girls from Benihana.
2008-04-02 11:54:55
4.   LogikReader
Bob Vance of Vance Refrigeration?
2008-04-02 11:56:08
5.   LogikReader
CREED!!
2008-04-02 11:57:59
6.   KG16
Wow, the Bums get to play the Giants 6 times in September, the baseball gods must really like us to give us that many wins so late in a pennant race.
2008-04-02 11:58:28
7.   Humma Kavula
I was going to comment on the fact that the best offense of all time is getting shut out, but it would appear that that ground is well-covered.

Now I head to a meeting. Carry on!

2008-04-02 12:03:19
8.   Dodgers49
From previous thread:

380 I look forward to reading it tonight.

For those who would rather not wait:

Hollywood Beginning

>> When the Dodgers are in the field, Torre and Bowa sit next to each other on the bench. If a player makes a mistake, Torre asks Bowa, "You want to talk to him, or should I?" Bowa usually responds, "I got it." While Torre is preternaturally calm, Bowa is his fiery alter ego, the enforcer of his boss's beliefs. <<

http://tinyurl.com/yukxgs

2008-04-02 12:05:06
9.   GobiasIndustries
Jon - Any word on the show Journeyman? I read the linked article but saw no mention of it.
2008-04-02 12:06:28
10.   GMac In The 909
2 I'm holding out for Karen.
2008-04-02 12:06:46
11.   cargill06
without granderson, pudge, jones, inge is a hidious 789
2008-04-02 12:08:59
12.   Jon Weisman
9 - If you didn't see it there, I wouldn't hold out hope for it.

10 - That was my first thought.

2008-04-02 12:12:35
13.   Eric L
Found this over at BTF...

Branch Rickey's scouting report on Drysdale:

http://tinyurl.com/2shzo6

2008-04-02 12:13:14
14.   madmac
Verducci predicts our minotaur as the 2008 NL ROY

http://tinyurl.com/33ll69

2008-04-02 12:17:39
15.   GobiasIndustries
10
Isn't she on some show called "Unhitched" or something like that on FOX right now? I know Craig Bierko is in the show too.
2008-04-02 12:18:48
16.   cargill06
14 he also compared him to doc gooden.
2008-04-02 12:19:04
17.   Jon Weisman
15 - Yeah, but I don't think that show has legs.
2008-04-02 12:21:08
18.   berkowit28
14 And what is the minimum number of games or innings required on a major league team for a pitcher to be eligible for ROY?
2008-04-02 12:22:55
19.   cargill06
14 man i heard him compare to gooden on the radio a couple weeks ago now he put it in his article man do i feel stupid.
2008-04-02 12:22:55
20.   madmac
16 yeah, in the good way
2008-04-02 12:23:46
21.   regfairfield
18 There is none.
2008-04-02 12:23:53
22.   LogikReader
17

Speaking of not having legs, what happened to the "Worlds Greatest Offense?"

Royals 4
Worlds Greatest Offense 0, and only 2 hits!

9th inning

2008-04-02 12:24:53
23.   Kevin Lewis
I can't think of anyone on the Office that could carry a spin off show. They all compliment each other so well...maybe Creed, but I can't see his character being the main focus of a show.
2008-04-02 12:26:01
24.   Jon Weisman
23 - They'll probably just create new characters, the way they did with the Stamford branch.

Updates to this post above.

2008-04-02 12:26:29
25.   Kevin Lewis
I've been re-watching the season four episodes of the Office on hulu...they are hilarious.
2008-04-02 12:27:14
26.   Kevin Lewis
24

Steve Guttenberg?

2008-04-02 12:38:02
27.   GMac In The 909
12 , 24 It also would be cool if Roy were somehow involved.
2008-04-02 12:40:52
28.   underdog
22 My Tiger fan friend/colleague is not a happy camper right now. Only the first 2 games of the season, but swept at home by Kansas City? Tee-hee.
2008-04-02 12:44:37
29.   Dodgers49
18 14 And what is the minimum number of games or innings required on a major league team for a pitcher to be eligible for ROY?

>> Additional eligibility requirements were set forth in 1971 with a rookie formally defined as a player with less than 130 at-bats, a pitcher with less than 50 innings pitched, or anyone with less than 45 days on any Major League roster. <<

http://tinyurl.com/2dp2sp

2008-04-02 12:49:10
30.   KG16
21 - but there is a max, correct? Such as, after x IP, a pitcher no longer qualifies. Or is it just games on the 25 man roster?
2008-04-02 12:49:33
31.   KG16
30 - never mind
2008-04-02 12:56:10
32.   Sam DC
397 last thread -- LOL.
2008-04-02 13:15:51
33.   Bluebleeder87
Thanks for the link Jon, good stuff.
2008-04-02 13:24:03
34.   Louis in SF
Helms was just released by the Phillies are the Dodgers going to hopefully stand pat with DeWitt or are they going to go fishing in waters that seem to offer not much more than what we have
2008-04-02 13:29:08
35.   trainwreck
34
I am thinking the latter.
2008-04-02 13:35:13
36.   underdog
Would Helms cost us anything in trade? If not, I don't mind the idea that much. If so, I don't see the point.

---

snarky comment on SFGate after article on the Giants-Dodgers game last night:

"This year the Marlins have a $22 million payroll, the lowest of any major league team. The Giants have a $77 million payroll, which must be the highest of any minor league team."

2008-04-02 13:36:44
37.   underdog
Btw, you'd think the Giants would be even more desperate for someone like Helms, given how bare their cupboard is. We at least have DeWitt for now and LaRoche hopefully soon. They have... Luis Castillo starting at third and Aurilia at first.
2008-04-02 13:42:24
38.   ToyCannon
Wes Helms will decide who he signs with.
a. Dodgers - at best he's a stopgap and would probably find himself released when the flurry of DL candidates start coming back (Abreu, Nomar, LaRoche)

b. Giants - could start and even stay with the team all year in some capacity

C. Marlins - had his best year with them. Only Cantu would be blocking his path

I'd be very shocked if he chose the Dodgers.

It is why Giles retired, why bother when at best you would only be in the bigs for several weeks before being released. What would be the point of that?

2008-04-02 13:42:33
39.   cargill06
jack cust has now struck out 6 times in 8 AB's
2008-04-02 13:43:56
40.   CodyS
All the easily available third basemen are PROVEN TO BE BAD BASEBALL PLAYERS. None of them have any real chance of helping. Between our own bad (as far as immediate contribution) baseball players (DeWitt, Hu, Chavez, Young, Martinez), we have it covered at least as well without needing to pay anybody extra, trade anybody, upset club chemistry, wonder what to do with this new guy after a few weeks, etc....

Wes Helms is sometimes adequate offensively, but more often catastrophic. In the field, he is terrible. That is not an upgrade, even if it comes at league minimum.

2008-04-02 13:47:44
41.   Jon Weisman
If Wes Helms is cheap and better than Angel Chavez, and if you use him properly, I don't know how strong the argument is against getting him.
2008-04-02 13:55:26
42.   bhsportsguy
41 The question if LaRoche, Abreu and Nomar are healthy, do you need Helms.

That's a big if, its likely that none will be available until the end of April and in a situation like last night, do you want an extra inning at-bat to go to Chavez or Helms as the last bat on the bench.

2008-04-02 13:55:34
43.   Bob Hendley
Quite a Bengals backlash. I am guessing it has to do with the normal reaction of wanting to cutdown the braggard (Detroit media?) are perhaps it is Miggy envy. If he does (very) well, we look bad for not trying harder to get him. After all, if we could have unloaded Loney and Kemp, at least we won't have had the leftfield/thirdbase "debates". ;)
2008-04-02 13:56:40
44.   Bob Hendley
39 - Swinging?
2008-04-02 13:57:24
45.   cargill06
44 twice today, not sure about the other 4.
2008-04-02 13:58:55
46.   ToyCannon
Wes Helms is one year removed from an offensive OPS of 965 playing in a pitchers park. He's got a career OPS against LHP of 835.
He can play 3rd, 1st, and pinch hit. The man has his uses for a team deploying a AA 3rd baseman in the starting lineup and someone named Angel Chavez taking up a roster spot.
2008-04-02 13:59:27
47.   madmac
38 but I thought everyone wants to wear dodger blue
2008-04-02 14:04:43
48.   regfairfield
Wes Helms is a better third baseman against left handed pitching than Blake Dewitt. Angel Chavez is our second utility man. There's no reason to not take him.
2008-04-02 14:04:44
49.   regfairfield
Wes Helms is a better third baseman against left handed pitching than Blake Dewitt. Angel Chavez is our second utility man. There's no reason to not take him.
2008-04-02 14:10:30
50.   Bob Hendley
45 - That's his MO. We all loved him in Baltimore cuz even when he struck out, which seemed like all the time (small sample), you really got the idea that he was trying.
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2008-04-02 14:11:27
51.   regfairfield
Not so bold prediction: Jack Cust will set the strike out record this year.
2008-04-02 14:15:06
52.   Bob Hendley
46 - Sign him up. With our starting 3rd baseman and backup 1st and 3rd baseman both injured, seems like a small price to send Chavez back down. Hard to imagine that Dewitt is going to do so well that we won't want to send him down, for his own good, when the time comes.
2008-04-02 14:15:23
53.   bhsportsguy
Today's premium BaseballAmerica.com cover story is about the Minotaur. Tony Jackson wrote it.

A couple of interesting points, the Dodger scout that first saw him was there to scout Jordan Walden, a Texas HS righthander (who was one of the last draft and follows, signed by the Angels last year). Kershaw was somewhat known (BA had him as the 34th ranked pre-season high school pitcher.) but he did not vault up the rankings until his senior year.

White came down and saw him strike out 14 out of 15 and then he tried to keep it low key knowing the Dodgers had the 7th pick.

The article closes with the idea that Kershaw will never see Vegas unless he goes there after he turns 21 but that he will jump from AA to the Dodgers sometime later this year.

2008-04-02 14:20:43
54.   madmac
these last two days have been my first chance to see the dodgers this year and I really didn't think Andruw Jones looked too bad. A little bulky, but not bad at all.
2008-04-02 14:25:25
55.   Xeifrank
Are there any ramifications to the 40 man roster for adding Helms? Is he available via trade or waiver claim? Looking over his projections for this year, he appears to be more valuable than Nomar. He is 32 years old, so isn't really a long term solution, but would make a good platoon partner at 3rd for DeWitt until LaRoche comes back. At that point, I assume you send DeWitt down to the minors to play every day. I have no problems with picking him up (keeping in mind my caveat listed above). I assume Chavez would then be the one sent down.
vr, Xei
2008-04-02 14:26:27
56.   ibleedbloo
Is it true Jim and Pam are moving in next to the Ropers and Joey?
2008-04-02 14:26:32
57.   Ken Noe
Helms would be an improvement on Chavez. But I'm with Toy Cannon, I can't imagine why he'd pick the Dodgers and be looking for a job again in a few weeks. The Fish tried to get him back last winter, and I read another old team, the Braves, might be in the mix too.
2008-04-02 14:28:52
58.   KG16
46 - Wes Helms also put up a line of .249/.297/.368 in Philly last year, seeing more ABs than he did in FLA
2008-04-02 14:30:25
59.   KG16
he also had 9 errors in 68 games at third last year
2008-04-02 14:32:25
60.   regfairfield
55 Yeah, DFA Chavez to make room for Helms seems like the right thing to do. He wouldn't be bad as the new Olmedo.
2008-04-02 14:32:28
61.   Xeifrank
Ok, I see that they have 10 days to waive or trade Helms and that previously the Phillies had tried to trade Helms to the Dodgers for Seanez but the Dodgers didn't bite. The Phillies are having to DA Helms because they need his roster spot to add Seanez. Like others have noted, Florida and Atlanta are the two most likely targets with the Dodgers being one of them. vr, Xei
2008-04-02 14:42:57
62.   Bob Hendley
54 - Seemed that during ST the (opposition) announcers were always remarking on his size and how slow he seemed getting down the line. Hope you are right and he does seem to be getting on base as well. But remember that this "not too bad" is raking in $18 million.
2008-04-02 14:43:29
63.   underdog
If the Dodgers wouldn't trade the waived Seanez for Helms then, then I'm guessing they won't work too hard to get him now.
2008-04-02 14:44:06
64.   Bob Timmermann
61
I hope you know my remark about the weather in the previous thread was just a joke taken from a Bob Dylan song.
2008-04-02 14:45:13
65.   Bob Hendley
62 - Oh, and of course no one is running on him.
2008-04-02 14:45:33
66.   regfairfield
63 They would have had to eat his contract if they traded for him. They'd probably much more willing to sign him for the league minimum.
2008-04-02 14:46:22
67.   Xeifrank
64. I had to slip on my Bob Timmermann decoder ring to figure it out. Good luck with your talk tomorrow. Sorry I live so far away and have a real job and all. :) vr, Xei
2008-04-02 14:49:33
68.   madmac
62 I'm fine with that
2008-04-02 14:53:26
69.   ToyCannon
66
Right, no one is going to trade for Helms given his contract. He is not that valuable that the Marlins, Giants, Braves, and Dodgers will rue the day they didn't trade something for him.
2008-04-02 14:56:01
70.   StolenMonkey86
Helms 2007:
.221/.261/.313 vs RHP
.282/.346/.444 vs LHP

Career he's got a .100 OPS better vs LHP, and I think it's safe to say he's a platoon player and bench guy. He'll become a lot less useful once Nomar is back, and if we wanted to sign him, that's something he'd take into consideration.

2008-04-02 14:57:21
71.   Bob Timmermann
67
Thank you. The Dylan song had one of the first ever music videos made with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-xIulyVsG8&feature=related
SFW
2008-04-02 14:59:25
72.   underdog
Hot off the presses from the AP:

Dodgers third-base coach Larry Bowa was suspended for three games and fined by the commissioner's office Wednesday following a wild argument.

---

Good!

2008-04-02 15:01:15
73.   Bob Timmermann
72
And coaches cannot appeal suspensions I believe, so Bowa should have to sit out tonight.

I recall Frank Robinson trying to appeal a suspension he got after his altercation with Mike Scioscia. Robinson's defense was "He started it!"

2008-04-02 15:02:06
74.   natepurcell
Loons roster is up...

no Withrow, Watt, or Gallagher.

but yes on Baez, Lambo and Justin Miller.

interesting.

2008-04-02 15:03:46
75.   D4P
He'll become a lot less useful once Nomar is back

So will Nomar.

2008-04-02 15:04:39
76.   Humma Kavula
71 That was created as part of D.A. Pennebaker's Don't Look Back. Great film.

That segment with Dylan flipping the cards has been parodied many times... my favorite might be in Nuke LaLoosh's movie Bob Roberts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2af69xt0VKE

SFW

2008-04-02 15:06:23
77.   StolenMonkey86
75 - HA! Wow, I missed you D4P.
2008-04-02 15:07:29
78.   TopCat
64 See 401 in previous thread.
2008-04-02 15:09:30
79.   Marty
Ken needs to get links to comments in previous threads working.
2008-04-02 15:09:32
80.   DGutierrez32
Tonight's UEFA Champions League results:

@Arsenal 1 - Liverpool 1

@Fenerbache 2 - Chelsea 1

My gardener back in Turkey is a Fenerbache fan, he must be elated with the result. I visited Istanbul over New Year's but unfortunately didn't get to see their stadium (although I saw the stadiums of the other two major Istanbul clubs--Galatasaray and Besiktas). Do we have a lot of footy fans at Dodger Thoughts? The only thing I've read is re: Henry in the Gillette commercial the other day.

2008-04-02 15:10:24
81.   CodyS
Helms is really bad defensively. To even call him a third baseman is a stretch.
Offensively, he's average on average, but with a huge variation from year to year.

I don't know why Angel Chavez is on our team, and replacing him with almost anybody else would be fine, EXCEPT that if we get somebody that rises to the level of mediocre, like Wes Helms, we may feel guilty (seriously) and give him playing time beyond when he is needed (these next few weeks). If the Dodgers had the fortitude to release him after the guys come back from the DL, that'd be one thing. But I don't think they do. After all, he is a veteran!

2008-04-02 15:10:54
82.   underdog
So now the Dodgers are not only looking for a backup third baseman, they have to find a backup third base coach, too? How serendipitous.
2008-04-02 15:12:21
83.   natepurcell
Dewitt leads the team in walks and you want to replace him!!
2008-04-02 15:15:07
84.   kinbote
Things I hope we see tonight:

1. Kuo mowing down the Giants at the end
2. Ethier & Kemp in the lineup
3. Martin getting a big hit

So far, I'm happy with the patience we're showing at the plate. Even though we haven't always come through, our approach has been good.

2008-04-02 15:17:14
85.   KG16
74 - Quien son los Loons?
2008-04-02 15:17:47
86.   fanerman
85 That should be Quien*es* right?
2008-04-02 15:19:00
87.   DGutierrez32
Haha, there's a Vance Refrigeration shirt available from the NBC store. I myself own the "Stanley nickel:Schrute buck=Unicorn:Leprechaun" t-shirt.
2008-04-02 15:19:10
88.   Humma Kavula
84 Agreed. I like these patient Dodgers. When I saw even Pierre work a count full last night, I had great faith that they would eventually pull it out.

My faith did waver slightly during the fateful sixth. I was so hoping Kemp would come through there. But it all worked out OK.

2008-04-02 15:19:47
89.   cargill06
looking at the map at weather.com, 5:30 looks like not much of a threat of rain

http://tinyurl.com/ph9hr

2008-04-02 15:20:40
90.   DGutierrez32
85 Great Lakes Loons, I think they are LA's low A affiliate.
2008-04-02 15:23:06
91.   KG16
86 - es is singular, son is plural. I think.

90 - ah, thanks

2008-04-02 15:23:51
92.   Dodgers49
I don't think we have to worry about Helms for at least 10 days:

Phillies release infielder Helms

>> In making the addition of reliever Rudy Seanez official on Wednesday, the Phillies said goodbye to infielder Wes Helms.
The team designated Helms for assignment and has 10 days to shed his contract. The 31-year-old, who batted .246 in 112 games last season, is owed $2.9 million this season -- $2.15 million in salary and another $750,000 in a buyout.

In 10 days, any team can sign Helms for the Major League minimum of $390,000. Helms became expendable after the Phillies signed third baseman Pedro Feliz in the offseason, and the team tried all Spring Training to find him a new home. <<

http://tinyurl.com/2jznfz

2008-04-02 15:25:10
93.   fanerman
91 I mean "quienes son", not "quien es"... unless los Loons is singular because it's referring to one team and not many players.
2008-04-02 15:25:15
94.   GobiasIndustries
89
I'm at work in Montebello, about 15 minutes from Dodgers stadium and it's sunny and cool right now. Doesn't even look like it's gonna rain.
2008-04-02 15:25:30
95.   DGutierrez32
91 I assumed he was saying he thinks it should be "Quienes son...."
2008-04-02 15:26:17
96.   underdog
80 I play footy, if that counts. Not well enough for the EPL, mind you. I root for the Quakes and enjoy watching the EPL though I don't really have loyalty to teams other than usually rooting for the underdogs, of course.
2008-04-02 15:26:27
97.   KG16
The Times has an on line poll asking what's your favorite LA Dodger moment, not surprisingly Gibby leads with 68% of the vote.

Surprisingly, they don't have Monday saving the flag.

2008-04-02 15:27:18
98.   Xeifrank
83. I don't think anyone is advocating replacing DeWitt, but perhaps finding a platoon partner for him. I think the walks are great, but how many of them are they pitching around him to get to the pitcher?

84. Good chance that Guo pitches tonight. Any chance that Martin sets tonight? Torre doesn't like his players to get stale on the bench. :)

89. NOAA says the storm is breaking up, but rain is still likely in LA County after sun down now. The rush hour commute might be spared. Still sticking with .25 inches near the coast. I suggest anyone going to the game to bring a rain pancho. Remember, I am not a weather man, I just pretend to be one.
Doppler Radar (SFW): http://tinyurl.com/2rfg6t
vr, Xei

2008-04-02 15:27:32
99.   KG16
93 - ah, yeah, probably. For the son of a Cuban, my Spanish is way rusty
2008-04-02 15:27:41
100.   Jon Weisman
Pedro Guerrero was at last night's game and no one told me?

From the press notes:

"Last night, former Dodger Pedro Guerrero was in attendance at the game, visiting Los Angeles from Miami, FL. Guerrero was shown on DodgerVision in the fourth inning to a loud ovation and before the game, visited with his former manger, Joe Torre. Torre managed Guerrero in St. Louis from 1990-92. Tomorrow marks the 34-year anniversary of one of former Dodger General Manager Al Campanis' finest deals. On April 3, 1974, Campanis shipped left-hander Bruce Ellingsen to the Cleveland Indians for Guerrero. Elllingsen appeared in 16 big league games, all in 1974. Guerrero went on to become a four-time All-Star with the Dodgers from 1978-88, while finishing in the Top-5 of the NL MVP vote on three separate occasions. The native of the Dominican Republic also won the 1981 World Series Tri-MVP, along with Ron Cey and Steve Garvey."

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2008-04-02 15:29:33
101.   regfairfield
98 I figured I have to break out my "there's no evidence that the guy hitting eighth takes more unintentional walks than anyone else" macro sometime soon.
2008-04-02 15:32:59
102.   Marty
100 Was he trying out for third base?
2008-04-02 15:33:28
103.   madmac
100 he asked us not to say anything
2008-04-02 15:33:48
104.   cargill06
will jack cust hat trick today???

stay tuned...

2008-04-02 15:34:52
105.   DGutierrez32
91 I think it would be referred to as plural even though it's one team. It's like saying "Who are the Dodgers?" instead of "Who is the Dodgers?"

96 I've never played, I just enjoy watching. I almost chose my next military assignment strictly on my ability to watch Arsenal in person. I'll have to settle for getting Fox Soccer Channel or GolTV when I get back to the US. I'm totally jealous of my sister who lives in Kaiserslautern Germany, a short drive from Fritz Walter Stadion. I actually got lucky today and managed to catch the last 13 minutes of the Arsenal-Liverpool match. There is this program called StreamPlayer that allows us to watch the AFN channels on our computers, and they also have one UK channel (Sky Sports 2) loaded on there, presumably for the RAF troops deployed here. Sky Sports 2 usually gets cricket/rugby/golf while Sky Sports 1 gets the football; well tonight 2 got the Champions League match.

2008-04-02 15:37:22
106.   ToyCannon
Ranking Dodger Smiles
1. Pedro
2. Saito
3. Sweet Lou Johnson

Ranking Dodger Snarls
1. Kevin Brown
2. Jeff Kent
3. Mike Marshall

Over/Under on K's tonight is 15 according to the TC Line

2008-04-02 15:39:08
107.   Zak
80 Hi, I'm a Milan fan, so my season is pretty much over. Nice to see Fenerbahce get that win. I think Chelsea is going out of the competition. I can see Fenerbahce actually playing better in London than they did at home.

I'm not a big Man U fan, but they are probably playing some of the best soccer I've ever seen anyone play. They are red hot favorites for the ECL and it should be a Man U - Liverpool final unless a certain Lionel Messi gets fit in a hurry and pulls out a miracle.

Are you from Turkey? I had some turkish friends when I used to play soccer up in Valencia some years ago.

2008-04-02 15:39:30
108.   ToyCannon
101
But is there evidence that they don't?

If not, whose to say whose right?

2008-04-02 15:40:32
109.   cargill06
107 valencia ca or valencia italy?
2008-04-02 15:41:04
110.   Bob Timmermann
Valencia, Italy?
2008-04-02 15:41:55
111.   silverwidow
BOWA SUSPENDED THREE GAMES
2008-04-02 15:42:40
112.   Jon Weisman
Game thread is open up top.
2008-04-02 15:44:10
113.   regfairfield
108 I looked for the evidence and it's not there. I haven't seen anything that's proved me wrong.

http://www.truebluela.com/2007/9/4/201518/6293

2008-04-02 15:44:11
114.   Zak
Valencia, CA. I wish it was Italy though. But no, soccer in Valencia, next to a bowling alley across from Mountasia and a seldom used railway track.

Sigh, should have gone with Valencia, Italy.

2008-04-02 15:44:31
115.   Kevin Lewis
I just watched the Bowa incident on Youtube. I know Bowa is in the wrong with the argument, but the umpire did not help the situation with his body language and yelling. Can't they print out the "How to Deal with Difficult People" paperwork that Phyllis found on google?

"I understand this ruling has angered you, tell me how it makes you feel"

2008-04-02 15:45:46
116.   bhsportsguy
100 I wish he was there on Monday.

My question is will Jon come out from his zone defense at Weisman Family Court if the Dodgers have a 1981 World Series Champions Day and Pedro is scheduled to be among those honored?

2008-04-02 15:46:37
117.   cargill06
114 i live less than half a mile from there.
2008-04-02 15:47:31
118.   cargill06
ok actually less than 2 miles.
2008-04-02 15:47:33
119.   delias man
Typical Pete... a day late to the stadium.
2008-04-02 15:50:00
120.   DGutierrez32
107 I'm not from Turkey, I'm stationed at Incirlik Air Base...although currently deployed to Iraq until late May.

114 You could have gone with Valencia, Spain as well. David Villa is a hell of a striker.

2008-04-02 15:50:03
121.   Zak
117 Oh cool, in the apartments or homes near Home Depot or towards Bouquet Canyon? I still have a lot of friends in that area, but a lot of them have moved towards Stevenson Ranch and Copper Hill.
2008-04-02 15:51:27
122.   Zak
117 Oh cool, in the apartments or homes near Home Depot or towards Bouquet Canyon? I still have a lot of friends in that area, but a lot of them have moved towards Stevenson Ranch and Copper Hill.
2008-04-02 15:52:55
123.   Zak
120 Nice to have someone from there following the Dodgers. I could not even imagine being there, but I'd like to think I'd be following the Dodgers from there as well.
2008-04-02 15:53:09
124.   Kevin Lewis
I'm still holding out that my neighbor will need a softball replacement tonight and that the rain will not start
2008-04-02 16:00:27
125.   DGutierrez32
123 Wherever I go, I'll follow my sports teams: LA Dodgers, USC football, and Arsenal.

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