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You Be the Manager: Deleted Scenes
2008-04-02 20:34
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

So now Tim Lincecum of the Giants and Chad Billingsley of the Dodgers are pitching in relief, in the rain.

It's like Joe Torre and Bruce Bochy lined up behind each other in the slow line at the checkout stand, then switched ... into the other slow line.

I can't necessarily say the moves to shelter Lincecum and Billingsley from the storm, by holding them off from making starts during a potential rainout, backfired. What the strange managerial tactics did produce, among other things, was a chance to see Hong-Chih Kuo as a starting pitcher again, and Kuo did well. He walked the first two batters, then scattered a hit, a walk and an error (by Rafael Furcal) over his three innings.

And the Dodgers scoring a run in the bottom of the fourth off Lincecum lined up rookie reliever Ramon Troncoso for the win - and Billingsley, in theory, for the one-to-five-inning save.

Update: But now Billingsley has allowed the tying run to score. Here in inning five, we're back at square one ... sort of. The tarps have been pulled out with one out in the fifth, and the game is not yet official.

The question is, what kind of weather reports were Torre and Bochy getting that they thought the situation had improved as of the fourth and fifth inning?

Update 2: KCAL Channel 9's Jackie Johnson said at 8:56 p.m. the rain should be "short-lived."

Update 3: The Giants push across a second run in the sixth inning off Dodgers swingman Esteban Loaiza. Billingsley ended up pitching a third of an inning, while Lincecum came back after the rain delay and went four.

Comments (426)
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2008-04-02 20:42:45
1.   Marty
Still no rain in Altadena
2008-04-02 20:45:07
2.   bhsportsguy
According to the same Tony Jackson blog entry that featured Larry Bowa's quotes about Bob Watson, he notes that Charley Steiner said he remembered him doing this in New York a few times when rain was in the forecast there. He also noted that Billingsley could be lined up to pitch in relief if the game went deep enough.
2008-04-02 20:46:13
3.   overkill94
What does this mean for Chad then? Wait another five days until his next scheduled turn or get moved up a couple days? Stupid rain.
2008-04-02 20:46:35
4.   Frip
That's almost looks like a soaking rain.
2008-04-02 20:47:57
5.   KG16
299 (last post) - Line Drive Loney works nicely
2008-04-02 20:48:23
6.   KG16
wow, ok, that's some real rain there
2008-04-02 20:49:34
7.   Bluebleeder87
yeah, those drop-lets look big now, no sprinkles anymore...
2008-04-02 20:50:45
8.   overkill94
What the heck is Andruw doing?
2008-04-02 20:50:47
9.   Indiana Jon
wow
2008-04-02 20:50:59
10.   KG16
ok, time to call the game off, right now.
2008-04-02 20:51:04
11.   ucladodger
I despise the way Torre has managed this game with the pitching staff. With it starting to rain, why bring in Bills for 1 innings or 2 innings max?

What in the world was Andruw doing there?

2008-04-02 20:51:09
12.   Eric Stephen
Ugly play. I wonder how much the rain played a role in that drop by Ethier.
2008-04-02 20:51:42
13.   Frip
Maybe that's where "chemistry" is supposed to kick in.
2008-04-02 20:52:14
14.   Indiana Jon
12 Jones played a bigger role in Ethier's drop. That was his all the way.
2008-04-02 20:54:14
15.   Bluebleeder87
I'd be very very surprised if this game isn't completed with out any delays

I'm very very surprised, & I'm not kidding this kind of stuff just doesn't happened in California.

2008-04-02 20:55:28
16.   ucladodger
Torre might have cost us a win there. Bring in a guy used to pitching in relief (like Proctor or Broxton) and we get 3 outs before the rain.
2008-04-02 20:56:05
17.   Eric Stephen
14
Wow, you're right. I wasn't even thinking about Andruw on that play. I rewound it and, you're right, that should have been Jones making that play.
2008-04-02 20:59:01
18.   El Lay Dave
16 Over our vociferous complaints, Billingsley got plenty of relief experience last season.

I wonder if Bills could have gotten through 5 IP faster than G/Kuo and Troncoso got through 4?

2008-04-02 20:59:30
19.   Jon Weisman
The Kamenetskys have Larry Bowa audio and a vivid description of Andy LaRoche's hand.

http://sportsblogs.latimes.com/sports_baseball_dodgers/2008/04/lest-there-be-a.html

2008-04-02 21:01:56
20.   ucladodger
16

Obviously, but he hasnt been a reliever for a while. Totally different mindset and preparation, especially for the craziness of todays game. Bills is a astarter now- you either start him or you dont pitch him.

2008-04-02 21:03:01
21.   Tom Meagher
Is there a web application yet that notifies you when a rain delay is ending? If not, can we convince someone (MLBAM? FanGraphs?) to invent and program one? I had been mentally preparing myself for the rain delay, but once Bills came out all that work evaporated, and with Jones inexplicably not calling off Ethier... grr.

Comcast Sports Network is showing an interview with Jeffrey Leonard. I remember Jeffrey Leonard. I have fond memories of him. But this interview is not doing anything for me, and I'd rather watch "The Puffy Shirt" for the 34th time, commercial breaks included.

2008-04-02 21:06:04
22.   jtrichey
I am having a real hard time understanding this one. You make a interesting, maybe smart, decision to not start Billingsley because of the weather. You are obviously listening to someone who knows something about the weather. The strategy is working out fairly well, but the rain didn't reach the stadium quite when expected. Still, the radar is showing the hardest rain is still coming. You decide to throw Billingsley out there when the radar is showing the yellow about 5 minutes away? The Giants broadcast was following the radar all night, and you could see the rain cell coming closer and closer. You don't want to waste a Billingsley start but now you have so utterly and completely wasted Billingsley. Did Torre stop listening to the person he did listen to originally? And if so, why did he even listen to them to begin with? I am more than a little miffed about this. And just because the Giants did it first doesn't make it OK. This is beyond reasonable IMO.
2008-04-02 21:06:43
23.   Xeifrank
The rain has already tapered off here in Ventura County. The doppler radar shows the last bands of rain heading over LA right now with the next band of rain currently heading toward the channel islands. After the tarps are lifted there will most likely be about a 2 hour window before we see more rain. Keep in mind I am lifting most of this from the National Weather service storm discussion page and I am not a weather man, I just like to pretend being one.
vr, Xei
2008-04-02 21:08:45
24.   Jon Weisman
20 - I don't agree that you can't use Billingsley as a reliever at all. I think Torre overthought things, but the fact is, preparing to enter a game at the start of an inning and possibly go five innings or so is not a totally different mindset.
2008-04-02 21:09:35
25.   Xeifrank
The bringing in of Lincecum and Billingsley right before the rain started seems to have backfired. I do like the strategy of pinch hitting for your starter the first time he comes to bat and then pinch hitting for his replacement when he comes to bat. It's a good strategy to use for your 4th and 5th starter usually. Nobody does it, but it's highlighted in Tom Tango's (and other authors) book, The Book, Playing The Percentages In Baseball. Best baseball research book out there imho.
vr, Xei
2008-04-02 21:12:50
26.   El Lay Dave
22 And Bochy did the same with Lincecum. I don't understand it either.

If the delay is short enough to feel like a long half-inning, does Chad go back out?

2008-04-02 21:19:18
27.   Frip
KCAL ladies, such ugly outfits tonight. Sheesh.
2008-04-02 21:23:06
28.   txdodger73
I would have pulled Billingsley from this start for the simple reason of how pathetic the Giants offense is and the having won Games 1 and 2 of the series. You start Chad in Game 1 vs the Padres and Kuroda in Game 2, thus skipping Loaiza.

Was anyone else concerned that Chad was topping out at 92 and as the inning progressed his velocity was hovering around 88-89. Was he not loose? Was he holding back because of he weather?

I definately agree that if you pull his start because of the weather you give him the night off. At this point I would not send Chad back out if the game resumes. I would push Penny up by 1 day and start Chad on Sunday or Monday considering he has thrown nothing more than a bullpen session this far.

Tx

2008-04-02 21:27:03
29.   ucladodger
24

Ya, it is Jon. Everything changes from routine, to warm-up time, etc. Chad has had experience relieving so i dont think it was that big of a problem, but i think it had an effect on both Chad and Lincecum.

But jritchey is right and reiterated what i said earlier. It was a total waste for Chad to come in there, and just because Bochy did something stupid didnt mean that Torre had to follow suit.

2008-04-02 21:31:16
30.   Bluebleeder87
22

I'd give a pass to JoeTo just because he's been in NY for so long...

2008-04-02 21:31:34
31.   KG16
I hate rain delays, time to build a dome
2008-04-02 21:32:13
32.   Jon Weisman
No, everything doesn't change. Some things change. Some things don't. And at any rate, the changes don't render a pitcher helpless.

Again, I'm not endorsing Chad's entrance in the fifth - but the idea that pitchers can't switch between starting and relieving is a myth.

2008-04-02 21:34:24
33.   KG16
Taking a look at the other local team with a lot of potential this year... Kobe is 3 assists away from his 15th career triple double, with 8:45 to play in the game
2008-04-02 21:34:33
34.   Quik
It feels weird having watched what was essentially a five-inning baseball game. Imagine if they were all like this to try and lure younger viewers? I think I'm gonna be sick.
2008-04-02 21:39:37
35.   Xeifrank
34. Has the game been cancelled?
vr, Xei
2008-04-02 21:40:22
36.   Indiana Jon
33 Hard to believe he only has 14.
2008-04-02 21:41:22
37.   Quik
35 No, I'm just making an observation based on what we have so far.

Radar's showing the rain's almost over Downtown now, it should only be a matter of time.

2008-04-02 21:43:07
38.   Quik
And now the tarp's coming off the field! Time to finish this.
2008-04-02 21:43:22
39.   dzzrtRatt
I'm out of town. Is it cold, or just wet?
2008-04-02 21:43:57
40.   Frip
RE: Michigan Congresswoman's SPOUSE. Strange how the news so casually ruins peoples' lives. As easy as telling us the dew point.
2008-04-02 21:44:35
41.   Delino DeShields
i'm not in LA, so any weather updates would be appreciated. kent brockman anyone?
2008-04-02 21:44:42
42.   Xeifrank
37. Ok, when I read your past tense, I thought the game was called. One more rain band coming in, but it should hold off til late in the game or just after it's over.
vr, Xei
2008-04-02 21:45:04
43.   KG16
36 - I'm surprised that he's only averaging 4.6 assists a game over his career, with the exception of 05-06, he's been over 5/game each of the last 8 years.
2008-04-02 21:45:28
44.   Bob Timmermann
Blown save for Hoffman in San Diego.
2008-04-02 21:46:04
45.   Quik
39 41 Rain's slowing down or already stopped, tarp's coming off the field, and as Xei said, one more band coming in but it should hold off long enough.
2008-04-02 21:46:44
46.   Xeifrank
Here are the tri-county rain gauges for those of you out of town. The rain totals are around a tenth of an inch or less in most places. They should be able to get the game in. vr, Xei
http://www.vcwatershed.org/fws/trico12h.htm
2008-04-02 21:47:07
47.   oshea2002
3 run bomb for Berkman - not Trevor time tonight
2008-04-02 21:47:54
48.   Bob Timmermann
I will withhold any references to Bob Dylan songs.
2008-04-02 21:47:56
49.   KG16
44 - couldn't happen to a nicer closer
2008-04-02 21:48:45
50.   Bluebleeder87
So is Andrew Shimmin a D-Back fan now or what? I saw a post saying he was gonna give up being a dodger fan if Pierre would start.
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2008-04-02 21:51:16
51.   bablue
Yes!! It looks like all of our division competitors will lose! Now we just need that W! :)

I strongly disagree with the decision to use Billz in the 5th if he doesn't come back out. Why not just leave Troncoso in and then pinch hit for him after that inning? There was no rush to take him out, he didn't throw that many pitches. And it had already started raining. I don't get it..

2008-04-02 21:55:24
52.   Indiana Jon
With Bills only going 1/3 of an inning, although it was a long 1/3, I think we will see him come right back and pitch this weekend. No big loss, we're in the 5th inning tied up at one, thats about what we would be hoping for even with him starting tonight and he would not have come back after the delay anyway.
2008-04-02 21:55:38
53.   Bluebleeder87
Hey Quick is it you?? (from fan fest) if it is thanks for posting that pic of me at fan fest, from what I saw you took some really cool pics man.
2008-04-02 21:57:30
54.   Quik
53 It's me, was nice to meet you, man.
2008-04-02 21:59:28
55.   Louis in SF
Don't know if this has been answered yet, but surprised that they didn't let Kuo pitch another inning. He was pitching pretty well and if you are trying to protect your starting pitcher from getting caught in a rain delay and want to protect your pen, shouldn't they have done something different?
2008-04-02 22:01:35
56.   Bob Timmermann
Loaiza time!
2008-04-02 22:01:38
57.   El Lay Dave
Assuming they are done for the night, this is a very strange scheme that both Messrs. Torre and Bochy have concocted to limit the innings of their youthful starters.
2008-04-02 22:02:09
58.   KG16
And now Loazia is coming in?

Are the Dodgers carrying 18 pitchers today?

2008-04-02 22:02:20
59.   KingKopitar
And now Billingsley is out. Whoops...
2008-04-02 22:02:29
60.   Indiana Jon
Lincecum and Loaiza warming up.
2008-04-02 22:03:41
61.   Indiana Jon
58 Thats good news. We will probably see Chad come back on Saturday now in his place.
2008-04-02 22:03:50
62.   berkowit28
Enough with the TV ads. Too many.
2008-04-02 22:04:35
63.   Bob Hendley
Son los tiempos de Loaiza!
2008-04-02 22:05:26
64.   El Lay Dave
55 G/Kuo threw 56 pitches and wasn't stretched out to starter innings this spring. 56 seems reasonable for a long reliever outing that happened to coincide with the start of the game. I agree with the idea in 51 though. Troncoso threw 19 pitches; couldn't he go two innings?
2008-04-02 22:05:38
65.   bablue
Loaiza's coming in. Lincecum stays in for the giants. Don't like bringing in Billz at all. Doh, just realized I got to change my name. It looks like the its "baby blue" when the ba actually stands for "bay area". ;)
2008-04-02 22:06:37
66.   KG16
Great catch by Sr. Jones
2008-04-02 22:06:41
67.   Ken Arneson
65 Send an email to support2008 at baseballtoaster.com, and I can change your screen name for you.
2008-04-02 22:06:59
68.   Jon Weisman
55 - I doubt Kuo had thrown 50 pitches in a game all spring, let alone 70 or more.
2008-04-02 22:08:53
69.   Lexinthedena
Jones gets amazing jumps.
2008-04-02 22:09:18
70.   Bob Hendley
66 - He does that alot, because he plays so shallow. Nice catch in any event.
2008-04-02 22:11:20
71.   Vishal
loaiza hit 88
2008-04-02 22:12:11
72.   KG16
The Solution says, "You can go to Jacksonville, I like it here in LA"
2008-04-02 22:12:50
73.   Bluebleeder87
54

it was nice meeting you to, I peaked at 73mph on some other gun but it's not recommended to throw the ball as hard as you can with out warming-up let me tell you (muscles tighten up really really quick, don't know why but they do) anyways, thanks for sharing your pics bro.

2008-04-02 22:13:05
74.   bryanf
I am loving Dewitt.
2008-04-02 22:13:25
75.   Indiana Jon
How's The Solution's speed? He appears slow, but I'm not sure he is.
2008-04-02 22:14:01
76.   KG16
75 - he beat a throw from just behind the bag on that infield basehit.
2008-04-02 22:14:31
77.   KG16
76 - behind second base, sorry
2008-04-02 22:15:51
78.   KG16
and he did manage to steal third last night, that usually requires a decent allotment of speed
2008-04-02 22:16:33
79.   sporky
Lincecum looks like a slightly beefier waif this year.
2008-04-02 22:17:22
80.   bhsportsguy
Is it just me or does it seem like the leadoff spot gets a lot of at bats with runners on base.
2008-04-02 22:17:24
81.   Bob Timmermann
Stealing third takes more gumption than speed. And as we all know, Blake Dewitt is nothing but gumption.
2008-04-02 22:18:01
82.   natepurcell
I have PA #15 for Russ' first hit.
2008-04-02 22:18:21
83.   Vishal
is it just me, or does lincecum's delivery look like a more compact version of orel? i think it's the way he tilts his head back.
2008-04-02 22:18:28
84.   natepurcell
80

Thats what happens when your #8 hitter is an on base machine!

2008-04-02 22:18:54
85.   silverwidow
61 Penny pitches on Saturday. If anything, Bills might go on Sunday in place of Lowe.
2008-04-02 22:19:22
86.   KG16
81 - I would say it's equal parts gumption and speed.

80 - well, when your #8 hitter has an OBP of .700, that's going to happen.

2008-04-02 22:19:48
87.   Indiana Jon
Every time I see Lincecum pitch, I just can't help but think that his stuff is as good as anyone. I can't believe he lasted as long as he did in the draft, regardless of his size.
2008-04-02 22:20:37
88.   bablue
67,

Ok great thanks.

On another note, that curve Lincecum threw to Martin was sick.

2008-04-02 22:21:04
89.   Bob Hendley
81 - Me thinks Torre supplied the gumption on that one.
2008-04-02 22:21:41
90.   Indiana Jon
83 He could be Orel's son.
2008-04-02 22:21:51
91.   Bluebleeder87
83

I love watching him pitch man, I just don't like it when it's against the Dodgers...

2008-04-02 22:22:19
92.   Quik
73 Tell me about it. Before the Fan Fest got busy and we were still waiting for people, I threw a few after playing half an hour's worth of catch the prior day. Every time it slowed down, I'd throw a few more. My arm's just about back to normal now, hah.
2008-04-02 22:22:24
93.   Franklin Stubbs
What was Vin's story about Gil Hodges? I am watching the game on MLB.com and they come back late after commercials. Is anyone out there noticing this season what a great flavor Vin brings to the game?

Maybe it's cause I just moved to Portland...but I love him!

2008-04-02 22:24:05
94.   bhsportsguy
Bob, what is the rule of where the coaching boxes are located on the field.

Here's what the Padres did today after last night's ejection of Larry Bowa.

The Padres repainted the third base coaching box at Petco Park on Wednesday, extending it about 20 feet toward home plate.

2008-04-02 22:24:10
95.   bryanf
Maybe during the offseason I just forgot quite how good Vinny is, but MAN I feel like he is really on his game and it's only the third of the season! At some points in the past couple of years I've really heard his age come through during the broadcasts, but these past two games, it's like everything he says is perfect. I suppose just hearing him at all after so many months off is affecting me.

I've also noticed that Charlie Steiner on the radio has not bothered me nearly as much, but Monday is his usual self.

2008-04-02 22:24:58
96.   CanuckDodger
Letting Lincecum pitch after he had already pitched and then sat for so long is pretty foolish. That is just asking for an arm injury. I believe Joe Girardi did the same thing to Josh Johnson, and Josh Johnson's subsequent injury was blamed on Girardi.
2008-04-02 22:26:54
97.   thinkingblue
Right now is the time when the dodgers play after the rain

I've been watching and watching these offenses is such a pain

You know and I know the rain don't have that long to last

And offensive prowess is only a figment of past.

(c'mon, someone's gotta get this one)

2008-04-02 22:27:02
98.   Underbruin
Good news: the Giants have a AAA lineup.

Bad news: Esteban Loazia is a AAA pitcher.

2008-04-02 22:28:49
99.   Vishal
winn is 16 for 32 against loaiza
2008-04-02 22:28:52
100.   Bluebleeder87
Winn is a Dodger killer, [gulps]
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2008-04-02 22:29:10
101.   Bob Timmermann
94
MLB.com hasn't added the rule to its website to include the new addition to the coaches box rule.

It was summed up this way:
"An added comment to Rule 4.05 requires that a coach, until being passed by a batted ball, must position himself no closer to home plate than the front edge of the coach's box and no closer to fair territory than the edge of the coach's box closest to the field."

2008-04-02 22:30:05
102.   Bob Hendley
99 - So he only gets a hit every other time (please don't let this be that time!)
2008-04-02 22:30:08
103.   Vishal
phew, 16 for 33.
2008-04-02 22:30:37
104.   Vishal
still, the run scores.
2008-04-02 22:30:46
105.   Indiana Jon
96 They had to bring him back. He's one of their better hitters.
2008-04-02 22:30:47
106.   KG16
103 - actually, it'll stay at 16 for 32, sac fly

You know, productive out

2008-04-02 22:31:31
107.   KG16
RAFFY!
2008-04-02 22:31:53
108.   Bob Timmermann
The coaches boxes, according to the rules, are supposed to be 20 feet long and 10 feet wide and are supposed to be parallel to the baselines and start even with first and third bases.
2008-04-02 22:32:23
109.   Bluebleeder87
Nice play by Rafael Furcal & it's not like the Giants pen is all that, judging from what Vinny said yesterday, I hope the Dodger hitters get timely hits.
2008-04-02 22:32:24
110.   Who Is Karim Garcia
I'm loving Furcal this year. (It just occured to me how this is one of those comments that at the end of the year you might wonder how/why you ever thought this.)

Still, I think Furcal is healthy and looking to land a big contract.

2008-04-02 22:32:25
111.   Who Is Karim Garcia
I'm loving Furcal this year. (It just occured to me how this is one of those comments that at the end of the year you might wonder how/why you ever thought this.)

Still, I think Furcal is healthy and looking to land a big contract.

2008-04-02 22:33:29
112.   Vishal
106 oh yeah, duh. man, it's been a long offseason :)
2008-04-02 22:33:55
113.   bhsportsguy
101 I think a 25 foot coaching box might be playing with fire with MLB rules.
2008-04-02 22:34:18
114.   thinkingblue
So I was at opening day monday, and when I got back to school monday, I tried the joke "I had a doctor's appointment, with Dr. Chavez Ravine, his offices are located at Dodger Stadium," and no one got it (sigh). Not even after I said "Dodger Stadium."
2008-04-02 22:34:35
115.   KG16
112 - I was going to let it go, but couldn't pass up the chance to use "productive out"
2008-04-02 22:35:16
116.   bryanf
Who Is Karim Garcia, I've missed you. I just haven't posted that much over the offseason and after meeting you at DT day, I'm just happy to see you again.

I'm loving Furcal this year too. I picked the wrong years to have him on my fantasy team, clearly.

2008-04-02 22:35:20
117.   Bluebleeder87
The Dodger coach boxes look small, get a measuring stick!!
2008-04-02 22:35:45
118.   Quik
Way to work the count, Andre.
2008-04-02 22:35:57
119.   natepurcell
way to battle Andre!
2008-04-02 22:36:30
120.   KG16
Andre needs a nickname
2008-04-02 22:36:31
121.   Underbruin
Well, good at-bat by Ethier. Question - if the Dodgers don't score this inning, is the game called, or do they continue to play until either the rain necessitates another stoppage or the usual 9 innings goes past?
2008-04-02 22:38:23
122.   Underbruin
... Nevermind, question answered for me.

Still waiting to see Jones tag one.

2008-04-02 22:38:28
123.   bryanf
Was that Shawn Green at bat? Oh no, sorry, maybe Andruw just hits into a lot of double plays. Anybody with the stats to back this up?
2008-04-02 22:38:38
124.   Frip
Uncanny how Kent's body and batting stance echo his personality.
2008-04-02 22:38:44
125.   Ken Arneson
120 I suppose "Andre the Giant" is out of the question?
2008-04-02 22:39:01
126.   El Lay Dave
121 the usual 9, extra innings, or called for rain. Multiple stoppages do happen.
2008-04-02 22:39:24
127.   thinkingblue
94.

Maybe a sarcastic response to MLB's new stiffer rule enforcement, kind of like how one might write taking up two lines with each letter after being told their handwriting is too small, or when one might just unplug themselves after being told to turn their instrument down.

2008-04-02 22:39:35
128.   Bluebleeder87
Is it just me or what. but I think the Giant brain trust don't think of there young pitchers LONG TERM career.
2008-04-02 22:39:36
129.   Telemachos
Hm.... I wish some of our guys would work the count more. If we're not gonna score against Lincecum, at least we can get him out of the game soon.
2008-04-02 22:39:40
130.   ROC
120 3.5 becomes Everyday 'dre?
2008-04-02 22:39:51
131.   CanuckDodger
Hey, Nate, do you have the URL for the blog run by the guy who was known as "Gagne" at Fanhome? I believe his first name is Jared? I lost all my bookmarks on my computer and I can't remember the name of his blog, or if it even had one.
2008-04-02 22:39:56
132.   bryanf
125 beat me to the punch...
2008-04-02 22:40:04
133.   bablue
God, Andruw has looked awful at the plate thus far this year. He's either out in front rolling over or he's late on fastballs. I sure hope he can get back to pre-07 form.
2008-04-02 22:40:32
134.   Bob Timmermann
114
Perhaps your students know that Dodger Stadium technically isn't in Chavez Ravine.

http://tinyurl.com/36kxnb

2008-04-02 22:40:47
135.   Underbruin
126 - Right, thanks.
2008-04-02 22:40:53
136.   Fallout
What's with Jones? Not exactly busting down the line.
2008-04-02 22:41:40
137.   KG16
123 - 160 GDP in 6414 AB coming into tonight. Averages about 15 a season. Could be worse, I suppose
2008-04-02 22:41:43
138.   silverwidow
131 I have it...

http://thinkbluela.blogspot.com/

2008-04-02 22:41:51
139.   thinkingblue
120.

He's 3.5 remember?

2008-04-02 22:42:07
140.   natepurcell
131

http://thinkbluela.blogspot.com/

2008-04-02 22:42:42
141.   bhsportsguy
123 He's been in the top ten a few times in the GDP.

Grounded into Double Plays
2004 NL-24-3rd
2005 NL-19-6th

2008-04-02 22:46:41
142.   thinkingblue
Does Jones have a nickname? If not, can he be something like el gordo fuerte?
2008-04-02 22:47:09
143.   Underbruin
I love watching Lincecum pitch, but I can't help but get the feeling one day his arm is going to detach from his shoulder and go sailing into the dugout.
2008-04-02 22:47:24
144.   CanuckDodger
138, 140 -- Thanks.
2008-04-02 22:47:55
145.   KG16
Line Drive Loney with extra bases. And the Robot made of Nails coming up... followed by The Solution.
2008-04-02 22:49:42
146.   thinkingblue
unproductive out
2008-04-02 22:49:56
147.   Frip
T.J. Simer's says he teared up when he heard Plaschke won the sportswriter award. How do you just lie like that?
2008-04-02 22:50:21
148.   KG16
ok, someone with a wikipedia account needs to update DeWitt's entry to reflect his nickname.
2008-04-02 22:50:40
149.   bhsportsguy
Matt had some good cuts up there.
2008-04-02 22:51:42
150.   larry slimfast
Blake DeWitt is Joe Torre's Bubba Crosby.
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2008-04-02 22:52:08
151.   silverwidow
DeWitt is like Ethier Jr.
2008-04-02 22:52:09
152.   Underbruin
You cannot question The Solution!
2008-04-02 22:52:27
153.   thinkingblue
The solution with a line drive in the box score
2008-04-02 22:52:28
154.   Bluebleeder87
You can't blame Loney for playing it safe...
2008-04-02 22:52:33
155.   Quik
So, is everyone still glad we signed Andruw instead of Aaron?
2008-04-02 22:52:34
156.   KG16
I think Blake DeWitt can sublease his apartment in Jacksonville
2008-04-02 22:53:05
157.   bhsportsguy
147 Its called sarcasm or in Simers case, his column.
2008-04-02 22:54:11
158.   El Lay Dave
Lincecum through 3 IP and Kuo had similarities. Both threw 56 pitches, with Kuo having 2 less strikes. Both walked 3. Kuo's 3 Ks were 1 more. Both had 5:2 GB:FB ratio. Kuo 1 hit, Lincecum 2.
2008-04-02 22:54:41
159.   bryanf
Can DeWitt play any second base? Maybe he can stick around as a super-utility player.
2008-04-02 22:54:45
160.   Underbruin
Oooohhh, some poor fan bit it hard trying to get to a foul ball. Ouch.
2008-04-02 22:55:22
161.   thinkingblue
another unproductive out
2008-04-02 22:55:31
162.   Bob Timmermann
148
Done!
2008-04-02 22:56:10
163.   thinkingblue
154.

Of course we can, we are sports fans!

2008-04-02 22:56:30
164.   Frip
147 No it wasn't sarcasm. He was trying to prove his admiration for Paschkie so he could criticize him the next paragraph.
2008-04-02 22:56:42
165.   bhsportsguy
159 No, they tried that once, though who knows, now they said Young couldn't play second either.
2008-04-02 22:56:58
166.   Jacob Burch
155 - I'd hope? three games in a season where Jones has looked mediocre offensively but pretty good defensively, and two vs. five. still don't see how you can start making arguments using a two and a half game base.
2008-04-02 22:57:09
167.   Linkmeister
DeWitt's 3 for 3? Sign him to a long-term deal!
2008-04-02 22:57:17
168.   El Lay Dave
I thought Sweeney was a "professional hitter".
2008-04-02 22:57:21
169.   overkill94
This has to be Lincecum's last inning, right?
2008-04-02 22:58:15
170.   silverwidow
Russ HAS to do his thing now.
2008-04-02 22:58:18
171.   bhsportsguy
Well, if someone is due.
2008-04-02 22:58:21
172.   bryanf
Good time for Golden God to get his first hit.
2008-04-02 22:58:23
173.   Bluebleeder87
Golden god...
2008-04-02 22:58:24
174.   natepurcell
Lets go, redemption Russ!
2008-04-02 22:58:54
175.   overkill94
Come on Russell, papa needs a win from his $1 Loaiza!
2008-04-02 22:59:04
176.   Bluebleeder87
Russ is hungry like a wolf...
2008-04-02 22:59:09
177.   El Lay Dave
155 Yes. Rowand's contract will stink in the long run. If Jones' stinks, his contract doesn't have a long run.
2008-04-02 23:00:05
178.   Bob Timmermann
168
Even Manny Mota struck out 320 times in the regular season.

That was strikeout 398 of Sweeney's career.

2008-04-02 23:00:18
179.   El Lay Dave
OK Lincecum, make a sacrificial offering to the Golden God!
2008-04-02 23:00:30
180.   silverwidow
This is big time pressure.
2008-04-02 23:00:43
181.   KG16
Lincecum is trying to be a little too cute with two strikes

Or not.

2008-04-02 23:00:54
182.   overkill94
Ugh, what has happened to our Golden God?
2008-04-02 23:01:00
183.   bryanf
Ouchie wowchie.
2008-04-02 23:01:09
184.   Bluebleeder87
to close to take Russ, if he'd swung I really feel he would have hit a dunker some where.
2008-04-02 23:01:18
185.   sporky
Sigh. Hopefully we'll see squishy underbelly of the bullpen in the 8th.
2008-04-02 23:01:24
186.   thinkingblue
whaddaya know, the pitcher fooled the umpire
2008-04-02 23:01:41
187.   Frip
There's 160 games left and I feel guilty for being tired and just wanting to go to bed.
2008-04-02 23:01:49
188.   Underbruin
Argh.

How often does a team get a leadoff double, a 1-out double, have no double-plays or other forced outs (e.g. CS) and score zero runs in an inning?

2008-04-02 23:02:43
189.   natepurcell
Russ' slump is not working out well for us.
2008-04-02 23:02:47
190.   El Lay Dave
Somewhere, Dusty Baker is grumbling, chewing on a toothpick, and shaking his head. Called third strike indeed.
2008-04-02 23:03:13
191.   Telemachos
188 Sounds like something the Giants would do.
2008-04-02 23:03:18
192.   Bluebleeder87
Proctor can not afford to gamble in this situation, go right after 'em Scotty!
2008-04-02 23:03:21
193.   bhsportsguy
182 Again, the big plays were Matt Kemp not being able to advance Loney and then Sweeney not being able to put the ball in play. Asking Russell Martin to come through with 2 out with a hit would have been a great first hit of the season.
2008-04-02 23:03:29
194.   bryanf
189 ...or my fantasy team.
2008-04-02 23:03:51
195.   Zak
Ughh, it's going to be one of those nights.

Just want to add that it's fun reading the comments and watching the game with DT. It's like the old days before I had kids.

2008-04-02 23:04:05
196.   thinkingblue
168.

In the same way Plaschke is a "professional sportswriter," and Ramon Martinez is an "experienced veteran."

2008-04-02 23:05:29
197.   Fallout
193 bhsportsguy
Should have had Pierre PH for Kemp and bunt him over. :)
2008-04-02 23:05:29
198.   Zak
I think I will always have bad memories of Dan Ortmeier... instant hatred.
2008-04-02 23:05:32
199.   silverwidow
Proctor sitting at 91 MPH (which tells me the gun is slow again this eyar).
2008-04-02 23:06:03
200.   El Lay Dave
196 that's "award-winning sportswriter" to us mere blog commenters.
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2008-04-02 23:06:47
201.   txdodger73
85.

With Loaiza pitching tonight Penny will likely move up to Friday on a normal 4 days of rest. The same could happen to Lowe, thus keeping Billingsley behind Lowe and giving him 3 days of rest after his 20 pitch inning.

Tx

2008-04-02 23:06:51
202.   LogikReader
Hello everyone. Well, here I am back in Santa Barbara watching a game that I was at two hours ago.

What a... well I don't want to say strange, but it was fascinating being at this game tonight.

We addressed the unusual pitching matchups tonight, so I'll address the atmosphere.

First a major tip of the hat to the guy who revealed his white Dodger Thoughts t-shirt, Superman Style. Whoever that guy is I must say you are very cool. He and everyone in Infield Reserve, Section 2, had some fun with these Giants fans towards the back. Even some of the ladies were having "fun" with them. Just the usual fun rivalry smack talk.

But yes, my pop and I were there and once there was a rain delay, that was that; we both had to work the next day so we couldn't risk hanging out until past midnight at the Ravine. So instead I'm back here, sitting at my usual spot in front of the computer.

2008-04-02 23:06:53
203.   natepurcell
199

Lincecum was normal velocity.

2008-04-02 23:07:16
204.   KG16
197 - no, just if either one of Kemp or Sweeney put the ball in play, a run would have scored. Instead, strikeouts left the runners where they were.
2008-04-02 23:08:15
205.   thinkingblue
By the way, I think Sid the Sloth is a good nickname for James Loney
2008-04-02 23:08:26
206.   Frip
202 Cute story, nice to have you.
2008-04-02 23:09:02
207.   Bluebleeder87
Time for Andruw Jones to earn his paycheck right here in this inning.
2008-04-02 23:10:08
208.   El Lay Dave
197 He could have PRed for Loney though. Hu went in for Kent in the double-switch with the game tied yesterday.
2008-04-02 23:10:25
209.   berkowit28
When all is said and done, it really does seem we need Proctor more than Betemit. He did well.
2008-04-02 23:11:19
210.   LA Native
207

Andruw looks closer to 40 years old than 30 so far. I am hoping he is not relaxing after signing his big contract (because his walk year was so impressive).

2008-04-02 23:12:15
211.   Bob Hendley
191 - Not the Giants. They only have one double all season! This is a pitiful team (that we are losing to).
2008-04-02 23:12:28
212.   underdog
Tonight's game will be brought to you by productions of Harold Pinter's "Betrayal" and Christopher Nolan's "Memento."
2008-04-02 23:12:58
213.   thinkingblue
200.

Ah yes, and Danys Baez, who was "an all star."

2008-04-02 23:13:08
214.   bhsportsguy
197 I'm just saying, Matt should have been thinking about the situation instead of pounding the ball out the ballpark. But he will learn.
2008-04-02 23:13:18
215.   Bluebleeder87
They pressed the mute button to late, my virgin ears still heard the profanity
2008-04-02 23:13:37
216.   El Lay Dave
209 Would you say the same thing if DeWitt had gone 0-11 to start the season, looking bad while doing it?
2008-04-02 23:13:53
217.   Telemachos
211 'Tis a pitiful team, but it's also been a strange, bizarre game.
2008-04-02 23:14:15
218.   MC Safety
Me and Bob are looking like rocket scientists right now.
2008-04-02 23:14:17
219.   dzzrtRatt
So I'm just getting back to this now...

Am I to understand the Dodgers have just five hits, and Blake DeWitt has three of them?

2008-04-02 23:14:44
220.   El Lay Dave
214 Bowa will learn him.
2008-04-02 23:14:56
221.   Fallout
214 bhsportsguy
I agree with your thought in 193 .
2008-04-02 23:14:57
222.   thinkingblue
Oh, and I think Andre Ethier should be "Snoop Dog" because he always plays that one song when he bats.
2008-04-02 23:15:51
223.   El Lay Dave
219 and scheduled starter Billingsley came in to start the 4th and pitched 1/3 of an inning. Then it rained.
2008-04-02 23:15:53
224.   underdog
So odd to come home at 930, watch the game from the beginning on Tivo, then fastforward through much of the recording (Sharks Report and some other nonsense), then see that my Tivo ran out in the middle of the last Dodger rally, then frantically turn the live TV on to rewind Tivo to where it left off (bless you Tivo!) to now be fully caught up with the real game at 11:14.

And I think I stopped caring about the game somewhere in the middle of fastforwarding through the rain delay and still have some work to do and yet here I still am, watching.

I still don't quite understand bringing in Billingsley at all today after they made the decision to sit him for safety's sake (which made sense to me), but I guess that's what happens when you play guessing games based on meteorology.

2008-04-02 23:15:55
225.   Linkmeister
Ouch. Ethier and Martin 3Ks apiece.
2008-04-02 23:16:14
226.   bhsportsguy
219 And Loney has the other 2.
2008-04-02 23:16:18
227.   Bluebleeder87
Stainer seems a lot better with his depth perception this year, good for him.
2008-04-02 23:16:33
228.   Frip
If Vin can bother with a suit at his age, Steiner can surely do better than a hoodie.
2008-04-02 23:16:34
229.   Bob Hendley
217 - Yeah, I should have gone to bed a long time ago, but the game is just so strange that I can't turn it off.
2008-04-02 23:17:51
230.   bhsportsguy
Now can James get his third hit?
2008-04-02 23:18:04
231.   KG16
And now the productive part of the line up is coming up with two outs.

228 - TV vs Radio, my friend

2008-04-02 23:18:26
232.   El Lay Dave
219 And how was the cocktail party?
2008-04-02 23:18:43
233.   fanerman
That's a start!
2008-04-02 23:18:52
234.   bryanf
Walk the sloth, pitch to the bison...
2008-04-02 23:18:52
235.   larry slimfast
Line Drive Slo-ney
2008-04-02 23:18:55
236.   KG16
Make them pay, Bison

Make. Them. Pay.

2008-04-02 23:18:56
237.   overkill94
Intentional walk to get to the bison? This can't end well for los gigantes.
2008-04-02 23:18:57
238.   natepurcell
interesting....
2008-04-02 23:19:06
239.   Underbruin
Wow. Walk a guy to get to Kemp. Big opportunity here.
2008-04-02 23:19:09
240.   bhsportsguy
Okay Matt, just calm down and look for your pitch.
2008-04-02 23:19:10
241.   GMac In The 909
222 You mean the one by Dr. Dre?
2008-04-02 23:19:15
242.   silverwidow
BISON TIME
2008-04-02 23:19:28
243.   Frip
This pitcher has a pretty big butt for a Viking.
2008-04-02 23:20:10
244.   KG16
241 - hmmm, The Doctor is in... left field. That has some potential
2008-04-02 23:20:13
245.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
It's Bison time!

WWSH

2008-04-02 23:20:42
246.   Jacob Burch
222 - that song (unless they've changed it?) is "forgot about 'dre" by dr. dre.
2008-04-02 23:21:22
247.   silverwidow
Hard Ball Made Easy by Ron Stilanovich
2008-04-02 23:21:43
248.   El Lay Dave
{double-checking) yep, they intentionally put the go-ahead run on first. Interesting.
2008-04-02 23:21:50
249.   Bluebleeder87
Wow. Walk a guy to get to Kemp. Big opportunity here.

I'm sure the Bison isn't taking that insult kindly...

2008-04-02 23:22:37
250.   Bob Hendley
The Maori warrior comes through (its the tatoo). Go Druw.
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2008-04-02 23:23:57
251.   bhsportsguy
Kemp is now 0-3 against Wilson with 2 strikeouts.
2008-04-02 23:24:02
252.   bryanf
Ouchie wowchie.
2008-04-02 23:24:07
253.   El Lay Dave
Let's see if the Dodgers are picking up good vibrations here.
2008-04-02 23:24:17
254.   Underbruin
Argh times 2.

I can just see the Plaschke column writing itself right now, as he drifts off to sleep with sweet dreams of Pierre in his head.

2008-04-02 23:24:17
255.   natepurcell
This is extremely frustrating.
2008-04-02 23:24:17
256.   ryu
D'oh! Not a very good at-bat by Kemp.
2008-04-02 23:24:31
257.   MSarg29
This MLB Extra Innings commercial is driving me crazy.
2008-04-02 23:24:32
258.   El Lay Dave
well, no.
2008-04-02 23:25:42
259.   KG16
Who's left to pinch hit after DeWitt gets on base to start the bottom of the ninth?
2008-04-02 23:25:44
260.   Bob Timmermann
Not every action in a Dodgers game is reflected in the writings of Bill Plaschke. Nor should people care if it is.
2008-04-02 23:26:50
261.   El Lay Dave
260 Don't you need to rest up for tomorrow? Are you soothing your throat with tea, lemon and honey perhaps?
2008-04-02 23:26:59
262.   underdog
Kemp and Martin both look just a tad slow on their cuts so far this season. It's a little early to be freaking out about it though, frustrating as it is, as I'm pretty confident that will speed up just a bit very soon.
2008-04-02 23:26:59
263.   Linkmeister
nate, what's going on with Arizona Bball? First the interim coach is designated replacement for Olson when Olson retires, and now it's announced he won't be back next year?
2008-04-02 23:27:09
264.   natepurcell
259

Juan!!!

2008-04-02 23:27:20
265.   KG16
Plashchke will be too busy writing about how Gasol is saving the Lakers' championship dreams by returning tonight.
2008-04-02 23:27:22
266.   bablue
207,
Well I hope he doesn't earn 18 million because of one inning! ;)
2008-04-02 23:27:39
267.   silverwidow
259 Chin Lung Hu

I can't think of anyone else who gets on base on awful lot...

2008-04-02 23:27:42
268.   El Lay Dave
259 JP and all the backup IFs.
2008-04-02 23:28:11
269.   underdog
259 Um, Hu do you think?

And then there's Brad Penny of course.

Oh yeah, and that other guy, the Chavez fellow.

And some other guy, some outfielder.

2008-04-02 23:28:24
270.   Bluebleeder87
255 256

yeah, his approach at the plate wasn't exactly what we had in mind.

2008-04-02 23:28:42
271.   KG16
I think Vin is reading this thread... as soon as I asked, he answered on the teevee
2008-04-02 23:28:48
272.   Underbruin
260 - It's more the horses he chooses to ride. And considering the seeming willingness of Frank McCourt to allow popular pressures to affect his decision-making, I think it does merit some concern, as well as monitoring.
2008-04-02 23:29:07
273.   underdog
EDSP did his job, at least.
2008-04-02 23:29:13
274.   Linkmeister
Nice work by Proctor.
2008-04-02 23:29:37
275.   fanerman
That was a quick inning.
2008-04-02 23:29:57
276.   underdog
I really don't think Joe Torre reads or cares what Bill Plaschke has to say about anything. As far as I'm concerned that's all that matters.
2008-04-02 23:30:08
277.   Dark Horse
It might be nice to be reminded, about now, that our catcher will eventually get a base hit and Kemp is not just "a basketball player trying to play baseball," right? Er...right?
2008-04-02 23:30:10
278.   fanerman
270 How was it in his other at-bats?
2008-04-02 23:30:16
279.   El Lay Dave
272 Does he ride horses or merely serve as the back end of them?
2008-04-02 23:30:32
280.   silverwidow
I'm calling a Blaker home run right now. Not to jinx him or anyting.
2008-04-02 23:30:38
281.   Bluebleeder87
I'm some how reminded of the song "the final countdown" right now.
2008-04-02 23:31:21
282.   El Lay Dave
273 Efficiently too. 20 pitches for 2 IP.
2008-04-02 23:31:53
283.   Bluebleeder87
OH YEAH!!!
2008-04-02 23:31:55
284.   silverwidow
YEAH, DEWITT. On base machine.
2008-04-02 23:32:00
285.   Bob Timmermann
The influence of Bill Plaschke is highly overrated. The incompetence of Frank and Jamie McCourt is, believe it or not, highly underrated.
2008-04-02 23:32:00
286.   fanerman
Who's pinch-hitting?
2008-04-02 23:32:08
287.   underdog
Can we just say that The Solution has some real good protective Mojo working tonight?
2008-04-02 23:32:09
288.   thinkingblue
222.

Even better, he is now Dr. Dre

2008-04-02 23:32:11
289.   fanerman
286 Ignore that comment.
2008-04-02 23:32:13
290.   Neal Pollack
The moment of truth has arrived. Let Pierre pinch-run. Let Hu hit. God, this is a strange game. I've never seen managers so psyched-out about the weather.
2008-04-02 23:32:16
291.   Underbruin
Wow. DeWitt WILLS himself on base.
2008-04-02 23:32:16
292.   overkill94
Ideally DeWitt will get another one of his patented doubles and Slappy can do what he does best and sacrifice him over to third.

Hmmm, I think I'd still have him bunt, even after Aurilia's gift.

2008-04-02 23:32:19
293.   bhsportsguy
272 I think there are those are clouded by Plashcke's rants against the LoDuca deal and his dislike of Paul DePodesta. What other moves has Plashke endorsed did Frank McCourt actually follow.

Now Juan Pierre can do what he does best.

2008-04-02 23:32:26
294.   KG16
reaching on an error, good for the OBP?
2008-04-02 23:32:34
295.   silverwidow
286 Some guy I've never heard of.
2008-04-02 23:32:43
296.   bryanf
Anyone ever see "Angels in the Outfield"? There was a little kid named J.P. in that movie I believe. Pierre looks like him. Coincidence?
2008-04-02 23:32:47
297.   Neal Pollack
Is Pierre ACTUALLY a good bunter?
2008-04-02 23:32:51
298.   silverwidow
294 No, just caught up in the moment.
2008-04-02 23:33:08
299.   GMac In The 909
Lesson No. 1: Scrappyness.
2008-04-02 23:33:26
300.   thinkingblue
241.

Perfect, Andre is now Dr. Dre

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2008-04-02 23:33:37
301.   LogikReader
Let's hear it for The Solution! He's unstoppable tonight. annnd now here's Pierre.

oh well...

2008-04-02 23:33:46
302.   Quik
Vintage Juan Pierre.
2008-04-02 23:33:50
303.   Neal Pollack
No, he is not.
2008-04-02 23:34:09
304.   overkill94
Write an article about that one, Billy Boy
2008-04-02 23:34:13
305.   Neal Pollack
No, he is not.
2008-04-02 23:34:15
306.   Underbruin
285 - Fair enough.

I think it's just one of those nights tonight. Le sigh.

2008-04-02 23:34:16
307.   natepurcell
what a bad bunt.
2008-04-02 23:34:24
308.   silverwidow
300 He's Dr. K tonight.
2008-04-02 23:34:33
309.   underdog
Wow, that was close at 2nd. I didn't think he was going to get him. Still not sure he did, but oh well.
2008-04-02 23:34:41
310.   Bluebleeder87
Not a great bunt by Pierre but he was on the bench & is not use to those situations.
2008-04-02 23:34:44
311.   KG16
298 - see, that doesn't make sense to me, logically, I'd think that errors and FCs would help OBP, since the hitter got on base and all.
2008-04-02 23:35:07
312.   bhsportsguy
297 No, and that is not based on that bunt.

Though that being said, that was not a good play by the Giants, Dewitt looked safe to me.

2008-04-02 23:35:38
313.   bryanf
311 I was thinking the same thing...you know the "on base" part...
2008-04-02 23:35:41
314.   fanerman
Well, Pierre's a better baserunner than DeWitt, right? 98th percentile baserunner?
2008-04-02 23:35:56
315.   El Lay Dave
Does he end up stealing a base, get driven in and look like a hero?
2008-04-02 23:35:57
316.   Neal Pollack
If he gets picked off, I am lighting my torch.
2008-04-02 23:35:57
317.   overkill94
Time for Pierre to embrace his new role as the world's most expensive designated stealer...now
2008-04-02 23:35:59
318.   Underbruin
293 - Well, to be fair, what other 'moves' has Plaschke endorsed that an owner would actually have a say in, other than the choice of a GM and/or manager?
2008-04-02 23:35:58
319.   GMac In The 909
300 He's still 3.5
2008-04-02 23:36:17
320.   KG16
Send Juan here
2008-04-02 23:36:29
321.   Bluebleeder87
[yells from the bench] play for the team Furcal!!
2008-04-02 23:36:39
322.   silverwidow
OUT BY A MILE.
2008-04-02 23:36:48
323.   overkill94
Slappy McWorthless
2008-04-02 23:36:48
324.   Neal Pollack
KILL.
2008-04-02 23:36:49
325.   MSarg29
I'm speechless
2008-04-02 23:36:52
326.   Vishal
i knew that was gonna happen.
2008-04-02 23:36:55
327.   Bob Timmermann
FCs and ROEs don't count in OBP because the batter didn't do anything positive to get on base.
2008-04-02 23:36:56
328.   Bluebleeder87
ugh, what a bad ending! good night.
2008-04-02 23:36:59
329.   bryanf
Ouchie wowchie.
2008-04-02 23:37:00
330.   Quik
VINTAGE JUAN PIERRE, UGH
2008-04-02 23:37:05
331.   Underbruin
... Argh.
2008-04-02 23:37:14
332.   thinkingblue
And the dodgers do not sweep the giants. Honestly, I'm not sure if I've ever been less satisfied with taking 2 out of 3 in a series.
2008-04-02 23:37:23
333.   El Lay Dave
Hoping for havoc to be wreaked.
2008-04-02 23:37:34
334.   natepurcell
crud.
2008-04-02 23:37:37
335.   KG16
well, so much for the Bums being undefeated in games started by The Solution
2008-04-02 23:37:44
336.   Neal Pollack
I hope to god Joe Torre learned his lesson tonight.
2008-04-02 23:37:52
337.   Fallout
What a bad way to lose...
2008-04-02 23:38:02
338.   overkill94
311 Pierre's OBP would skyrocket with all his worthless FC's if that were the case. OBP is a merit-based stat, not a way to keep track of how many times a guy touches first.
2008-04-02 23:38:14
339.   GMac In The 909
Pierre accounted for two outs that inning. Pretty good for five minutes worth of work, even by his standards.
2008-04-02 23:38:24
340.   underdog
And... Scene.

That was actually a fitting way to end a game that felt like a comic play anyway.

Bleh.

2008-04-02 23:38:29
341.   fanerman
332 That's how I feel exactly =/.
2008-04-02 23:38:30
342.   coachjpark
Pretty bad for Pierre to fail in bunting AND stealing. So what exactly is he good for then???
2008-04-02 23:39:02
343.   natepurcell
332

absolutely. outside of Kent's bomb, the offense has been anemic.

2008-04-02 23:39:12
344.   RELX
What a miserable game! Even though they were only down by one run, I never felt like they were going to catch up. Other than DeWitt and Loney, everyone looked like they were asleep.
2008-04-02 23:39:21
345.   LogikReader
You know what? I really don't know how good this Dodger team is so far. We'll find out more about them over the weekend. Hardly an "impressive" series, when you consider how bad the Giants are. However, holding our own against their top two starters; I think I can see some positives there.
2008-04-02 23:39:27
346.   thinkingblue
308.

Ok, nevermind. 3.5 is cool enough

2008-04-02 23:39:30
347.   Bob Hendley
Yuck.
2008-04-02 23:39:31
348.   underdog
(And I have to add your comments above about the last minute made me laugh. Almost makes up for the pain of the UnSolution.)
2008-04-02 23:39:33
349.   bhsportsguy
Juan Pierre is way down the list of reasons why the Dodgers lost today but go ahead make him into the scapegoat.
2008-04-02 23:40:58
350.   Dark Horse
Let us be done with the charade that Pierre has ANY value to this team (or any team) at all. Let us campaign, immediately, for his release. Surely it should be evident even to Ned Colletti that Pierre's value as a bench player is less even than his value as a starter...which is saying something.

I realize JP is not the reason we lost this game, but he brings nothing at all to the table at this point. Let us be done with him, forever.

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2008-04-02 23:41:09
351.   Fallout
342 coachjpark
Bad bunt. But, Furcal has to take some blame on taking that pitch.
2008-04-02 23:41:18
352.   El Lay Dave
Not that kind of havoc. I hate the strike-em-out, throw-em-out DP. Especially to end the game. Yuck.
2008-04-02 23:41:24
353.   underdog
I said it yesterday and I'll say it today, anyone fretting too much about the Dodgers offense based on the first few games - or even the first week of games - should take a deep breath. Some tough pitchers, some of the Dodgers don't seem quite ready yet either, it's a little early to be panicking. But I do agree this was not the most satisfying of series wins.

Time to beat the Padres.

2008-04-02 23:41:36
354.   bhsportsguy
The Giants can pitch, it will be a pain in the butt to hit against them especially at AT&T.
2008-04-02 23:41:39
355.   Linkmeister
Despite my newspaper's claim, this thing wasn't televised out here. I think I'm glad.

Bleah. Caught stealing to end the game, with the bat in Martin's hands? Huh?

2008-04-02 23:42:05
356.   silverwidow
Dodgers sign Marcus Giles (For real)

http://cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/story/10756833/rss

2008-04-02 23:42:26
357.   silverwidow
What a stupid move.
2008-04-02 23:42:26
358.   DodgerOkie88
haha, the new gameday is showing four outs....
2008-04-02 23:42:42
359.   underdog
And I agree with BH, Pierre blew it by being thrown out, but blame should be spread around for the loss, Furcal taking strike three, and many blown opportunities by other hitters. There should be at least 6 or so goats in this game.

Baaaa!

Night all.

2008-04-02 23:42:42
360.   Telemachos
Also Martin, back with the bases loaded. A close pitch, gotta protect the plate.

Let's face it, there are many reasons why the Dodgers lost tonight. But when Pierre made the last out, I had to laugh -- it's the perfect capper for a miserable game.

The wretched thing is, there's no game tomorrow. Bring on Friday!

2008-04-02 23:42:52
361.   KG16
349 - agreed, this one starts with Torre and his pitching strategery. The fact that the only hits came from the 6 and 8 hitters doesn't help. And the rain also hurt, I suppose.

But people always remember the end not the beginning or middle.

2008-04-02 23:43:38
362.   natepurcell
356

I like Dewitt.

2008-04-02 23:44:20
363.   Bob Hendley
356 - Well, that little bit of news really tops off the night,
2008-04-02 23:44:33
364.   dzzrtRatt
What was it Pierre said? Something about how what he contributes is best appreciated by people who are close to the game? I think he's right. I'm sure Bruce Bochy and Dave Righetti really appreciated his contributions tonight.

To be fair, from looking at the box score, pretty much everybody stunk at offense tonight.

2008-04-02 23:44:33
365.   natepurcell
Martin and Kemp are slumping.

Druw isn't helping much with the bat either.

Its only 3 games, no need to panic...yet.

2008-04-02 23:45:16
366.   Frip
Way too early in the year to have strong feelings either way about a game like this. Everyone just go to bed. Next one who posts is a Nebraskan wheat farmer for the rest of his life.
2008-04-02 23:45:23
367.   El Lay Dave
356 Why does that feel like salt in my wounds?
2008-04-02 23:45:27
368.   thinkingblue
356.

Why?

2008-04-02 23:45:37
369.   Telemachos
356 At least that article doesn't say anything about Giles starting immediately. I don't (necessarily) have a problem with him going to AAA as another option in case of emergency.
2008-04-02 23:46:11
370.   bhsportsguy
361 Even that, the Dodgers only gave up 2 runs, Billingsley may pitch this weekend for all we know, we saw that Kuo might be a viable 5th guy, Loiaza showed that he might be the one of the more expensive middle relievers.

The Dodgers lost because they could not make some plays in the field (Furcal's error, Jones not catching the sac fly) and a lot of strike outs.

2008-04-02 23:46:47
371.   Fallout
361 KG16
(Dodger)Pitching is not what hurt the Dodgers.
2008-04-02 23:47:02
372.   Linkmeister
nate, did you see my question about the Az coaches situation above?
2008-04-02 23:48:44
373.   bhsportsguy
369 I thought the plan was for him to play a few games at 3B and see if he can field it without getting killed.

I think the roster spot we are talking about here is Angel Chavez's so Blake can continue to collect his MLB pay for a while.

2008-04-02 23:50:13
374.   KG16
370 371 - except by not starting Bills, it meant that Young pinch hit in the 3rd, taking a stronger bat away for a higher leverage situation.
2008-04-02 23:50:16
375.   Eric Enders
Brace yourself for all the mainstream writers tomorrow bending over backwards to defend Pierre, talking about how he failed because he's in an unfamiliar role and hasn't been able to stay sharp on the bench.

I can see where if you can't hit, can't field, and can't throw, then you market yourself as a guy who contributes with bunting and baserunning. But if it turns out you're also bad at bunting and baserunning, then what good are you to anyone? What reason is there for you to even exist?

2008-04-02 23:50:33
376.   natepurcell
372

I honestly have no idea. Very weird season for Arizona basketball.

2008-04-02 23:50:52
377.   LogikReader
You know who did the national anthem tonight at DS? A violinist! That had to be a sign of strange things to come.
2008-04-02 23:51:09
378.   silverwidow
The Raiders should get Chad Johnson.
2008-04-02 23:51:24
379.   dzzrtRatt
Repeating something I said last night, the NL West is a division that will make pretty good hitters look pretty bad with some regularity. If the division's doormat can throw Cain and Lincecum at you, that tells you what kind of division this is.
2008-04-02 23:52:35
380.   Linkmeister
376 Thanks. Thought you might have some insight, as you're closer. I don't get naming a successor and then saying he's not coming back next year.
2008-04-02 23:54:00
381.   fanerman
366 Yeah. It's too early in the season. Too weird a game. Disappointing, but, let's move on.
2008-04-02 23:54:28
382.   El Lay Dave
370 In revisiting the written play-by-play, it seems that only two strikeouts were really key, Sweeney's because there was only one out, and Furcal's because JP was running. The two out Ks could just as easily been other outs. The bugaboo was poor PAs with runners in scoring position and less than two out. Jones' FC before Loney's RBI single. Kemp's GB to 3rd with Loney on third. Plus Jones' not taking the FB that resulted in Ethier's fielding error.
2008-04-02 23:56:41
383.   El Lay Dave
It was an imbalance of the elements. There was earth (the field), wind (with the fast moving storm) and water (the rain delay), but nothing fiery with Bowa suspended.
2008-04-02 23:56:53
384.   silverwidow
Today's game is bound to make Ned do something stupid. Oh wait...
2008-04-02 23:57:17
385.   silverwidow
At least Minotaur pitches on Thursday. HOOWAH!
2008-04-02 23:57:41
386.   bhsportsguy
380 Maybe Lute decided that it one thing to have a successor in place when you are still in charge, its another to have one who just was the head coach while you were out.

Also, I think next year is a big year for Arizona, not tooting the UCLA horn too much but they have beaten Arizona 7 times in a row and now have gone to 3 Final Fours, yes they have Jennings coming in with an impressive class but UCLA has probably the number one class.

The one thing that Lute mentioned about next year was that he was going back to an open style of play. That was a direct shot at O'Neil who wanted the team to play defense.

So in the end, he could not keep someone who would not continue in his style.

2008-04-02 23:58:08
387.   fanerman
383 But who supplies the heart?!?!
2008-04-03 00:00:58
388.   El Lay Dave
387 The Golden God provides the heart and soul. ;)
2008-04-03 00:01:26
389.   Linkmeister
386 Oh. Hmm. Weird way to run a program, methinks.
2008-04-03 00:02:58
390.   dzzrtRatt
377 Not a fan of the violin?

Not Hilary Hahn? Itzak Perlman? Vassar Clements? Sugar Cane Harris? Ray Nance? Jean-Luc Ponty? Gidon Kremer? Henryk Szering? Nadja Salerno-Sonnenberg? Darol Anger? Doug Kershaw?

I think the violin is the closest instrument to the singing voice, but it can do so much more. The national anthem should be performed only on the violin for the entire season, as far as I'm concerned.

2008-04-03 00:05:43
391.   fanerman
388 So you're saying we're only a Larry Bowa's fire away from summoning Captain Planet? Do you think he'd be a good baseball player?
2008-04-03 00:06:28
392.   trainwreck
I return to a whole lot of seemingly bad news, aside from Kuo.

Marcus Giles, uggh. Losing to the Giants, uggh.

2008-04-03 00:09:02
393.   LogikReader
390

The violinist did a good job, actually. I've just never seen one perform before a baseball game.

A national anthem without Nancy Bea's organ is somewhat disappointing, though.

2008-04-03 00:10:35
394.   silverwidow
At least Kuroda pitches on Friday. Petco will make him look like ACE.
2008-04-03 00:18:18
395.   Eric Enders
386 , 389 Did you guys see the CBS Sportsline column on Olson and O'Neill by, I believe it was, Gregg Doyel? Without going into specifics, it accused O'Neill of backstabbing Olson and criticizing Olson behind his back at every opportunity. It essentially ended with a plea for a gentleman's agreement to bar O'Neill from coaching college basketball again. No sources were cited, and they must have retracted the article because it no longer appears on their site so far as I can tell.
2008-04-03 00:18:39
396.   underdog
While Padre fans are no doubt laughing about the Dodgers signing Marcus Giles, maybe he'll seek some revenge against them this weekend. Who knows? I don't mind the signing if he just gets some spot starts. I think DeWitt is doing fine, but having some infield depth that isn't Angel Chavez doesn't seem like a bad thing to me.

Okay, the Benadryl is finally kicking in. 'Night for real...

2008-04-03 00:26:31
397.   trainwreck
395
From what I have read it appears that Olson was constantly undermining O'Neil, because he hated his style of play. O'Neil apparently did not even talk to his assistants. Two totally opposite approaches to the game that simply cannot co-exist.
2008-04-03 00:30:37
398.   alex 7
my basset hound was named Nadja. alrighty, goodnight. good series, good pitching, love the blue's lineup depth.
2008-04-03 00:34:04
399.   Eric Enders
I don't know who was backstabbing who, but I hate Olson's style of play with a passion, always have. Playing defense is optional, almost discouraged -- just try to outscore the other team. College kids do love playing that way, though, which is why Olson has had such great recruiting over the years.

What I wonder is if these guys were such antagonists, both personality-wise and basketball-wise, why did Olson hire O'Neill as an assistant not once but twice?

2008-04-03 00:59:22
400.   trainwreck
399
I think Olson realized that he needed to make his teams tougher and play a little more defense. Then he had the personal issues and O'Neil was the only logical choice to coach the team. O'Neil coached the team like a head coach should. He wanted total control. Olson did not like his idea of total control and got mad.

I agree with you about the style of play. Olson has continually made fun of UCLA and USC for their style of play and kept saying they can play like that and I will just steal all the recruits. Well Lute, you just keep losing so it does not matter which recruits you get. He hates and almost refuses to praise defensive minded teams.

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2008-04-03 01:23:10
401.   The Trolley Dodger
356 Tony Jackson says the latest Marcus Giles rumor is just a rumor, with Ned denying there's anything going on there.

Angel Chavez has been put on waivers, and Chan Ho Park has been called up.

http://www.insidesocal.com/dodgers/archives/2008/04/chan_ho_park_co.html

2008-04-03 04:41:08
402.   D4P
In 89 ABs thus far in 2008 (including spring training), Matt Kemp has 2 BBs and 24 Ks.

Yikes.

2008-04-03 04:43:19
403.   Terry A
And one international incident.
2008-04-03 05:15:12
404.   Bob Hendley
You just knew when it started that it was going to be a weird game, what with the rain and the change in starting pitchers. And then it just got more weird as it went on. You knew nothing good was going to come of it. But, you just couldn't turn it off and go to bed. It was like you had to tough it out with the boys, stick it out to the bitter end (and oh what an ending with JP, what a nightmare) and not just be a fairweather fan, as it were. Its going to be a long season. But that's what we like about baseball.
2008-04-03 06:02:19
405.   ET90210
Wow, what a mess! MARCUS GILES signed afterall!!

http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2008/04/03/giles-signs-with-dodgers-almost/

2008-04-03 06:40:16
406.   LeeLacy
I know it's early. But Russell Martin's 0-11 start to the season combined with his underwhelming production at the plate during Spring Training has me at least a little bit concerned.

Hopefully, a strong series this weekend will fully restore the brilliance of the Golden God's celestial aura.

2008-04-03 06:52:31
407.   Jon Weisman
Um, just because Juan Pierre gets thrown out on one steal attempt does not mean he can't steal.

As for Giles, why not just wait to see what the Dodgers announce, rather than parsing through unsourced media reports?

2008-04-03 07:13:08
408.   CodyS
Scoring 9 runs in 3 games is just not going to get it done. It puts pressure on every little situation, most of which are relatively low-percentage to begin with. As ironic as it is to see Juan Pierre fail to bunt and fail to steal, you can look at the team's batting line and see they need to hit some HR to compete.
.278/.368/.371 so far. With 4/5 stealing.

That's effectively a lineup of 9 (best case) Juan Pierre's! And it can be seen to suck.

2008-04-03 07:21:58
409.   D4P
That's effectively a lineup of 9 (best case) Juan Pierre's! And it can be seen to suck

But we're on pace to win 108 games this season...!

2008-04-03 07:51:20
410.   Disabled List
I'm disappointed that we couldn't get the sweep, and yeah, some of our guys have looked unimpressive at the plate so far. That's ok, it's early. Obviously, we all would've preferred that the entire lineup started the season off on a rampage, but that just would've meant that the inevitable slump would've happened later rather than sooner, probably against a better team. Look on the bright side: Martin, Druw, Kemp, et al went through their cold spell against a team so lousy, we still took 2 of 3 games.

On another subject, I noticed this bit about the pitching change in the AP wrapup of the game: "Dodgers pitching coach Rick Honeycutt approached manager Joe Torre about the plan they eventually used with Billingsley. Then Torre went over to Giants skipper Bruce Bochy to give him a heads-up on what they were doing and why."

Now, I'm all for professional courtesy, but why give Bochy a heads-up on this? Why should Torre care if Bochy gets befuddled by the pitching change? Let him think Torre's playing mindgames with him. I see no reason for the Dodgers to open their book up to the Giants.

All's fair in love and war, right?

2008-04-03 07:57:29
411.   Bob Hendley
As nice as it would have been to sweep this AAA club, we all knew that they have a couple of superb, young starters, even when used in relief. The season is young as well. Did we learn anything knew, I'm not sure (small sample size). During ST, we saw a growing cockiness from the Bison that we hoped meant, somehow, maturation on his part, but the question of plate discipline remains. JP remains in a funk and is living up to our worse nightmares of him. He can't even seem to do what he does. While Loney seems steady (but needs a nickname), we all knew that it was unlikely that Ethier would continue his ST roll, but great to have him as a regular. Druw reminds us that it was actually a gamble, given the year that he is coming off. We love the Golden Glove out there, but for a veteran he seems strangely tentative and non-pulsed (we are used to hard ass PVLs). Speaking of which, I think we are all glad that Kent is back in the saddle, and its seems like Furcal is capable of carrying this club. Dewitt is more than we could have hoped for and doesn't seem overmatched, as many had feared (or right assumed). The Golden One is struggling at the plate right know, but seems ready to burst out. Finally, the pitching, albeit, against a AAA club, seems to be the upgrade that we all hoped for.

Again, the season is young. Bring on the Swinging Friars!

2008-04-03 08:01:05
412.   DXMachina
410 - I think it's not so much that Torre told Bochy what they were doing, because Bochy does need to know who the starter is going to be, but that he then explained why. That's going a bit too far.
2008-04-03 08:12:55
413.   alex 7
Jones is pulling off of everything. Might be a a few weeks before he finally fixes that and comes around, assuming he eventually does.

As for Martin, Torre saw Jeter go through a much worse spell, so I don't worry about the slow start having any significance or Torre over-reacting to it.

2008-04-03 08:16:11
414.   Bluebleeder87
Strike 'em out throw 'em out is probably the worst way to end a ball game, aside from a triple play I can't think of a worst way to end a ball game...
2008-04-03 08:18:25
415.   Marty
Break up the Nationals!
2008-04-03 08:18:26
416.   Bluebleeder87
A agree with most everything you said Alex...
2008-04-03 08:19:01
417.   Jon Weisman
410 - It's a major breach of baseball etiquette to switch your starter at the last minute, so the explanation was needed.
2008-04-03 08:21:48
418.   TheDictator
To revive an old point.

Schulman's article gives us more background on Bowa's blowup. Not that it makes the blowup right, but it does give us more info.

http://tinyurl.com/2563ye

I still think the blowup was entertaining.

2008-04-03 08:24:52
419.   cargill06
413 he never really fixed it last year.
2008-04-03 08:25:14
420.   Disabled List
417 Hmmm. Was it still necessary to tell him that Billingsley was going to come in and relieve after the anticipated rain dealy?
2008-04-03 08:26:39
421.   Sushirabbit
Broxton plays a role in John Walsh's latest at HBT ( http://tinyurl.com/2b3mbe ), also liked the bit at the end "players submits a comment" where Brian Bannister commented about a previous article.
2008-04-03 08:34:49
422.   cargill06
is anyone else as concerned as me that kemp may have a tough time getting and keeping that OPS above .800 this year?
2008-04-03 08:36:15
423.   JoeyP
Here are some observations from the first 3 games:

--Russell Martin looks thinner to me this year. Maybe its just my imagination, but his face doesnt look as round or body as stout as last year.

--Andruw Jones---looks old. Still with great instincts in the OF, but looks big and slow. He's going to have to hit home runs this year to be a true difference making player.

I think this Giants series was probably an indicator of what the year will bring. Lots of low scoring, close games. Dodgers just dont have the consistent big home runs guys to always get offense.

Last night's 9th inning was a joke for other reasons than for what were already stated. Forget Juan Pierre (who shouldnt have even been up), but giving up an out down 1 run isnt a very smart play.

And why did Joe Torre wait until the 5th to go to Billingsley? They do have TheWeatherChannel in the clubhouse right? It was probably a pretty good bet that there'd be a rain delay. Why warm up one of your best starters to only pitch him 1 inning?

Bizarre game.
The Giants are a really really bad team.

2008-04-03 08:36:49
424.   regfairfield
422 I don't think it will be that much of a problem, he hits the ball too hard and is too fast to hit below .280 or so. Getting it much further than the low .800s is the issue.
2008-04-03 08:38:26
425.   Jon Weisman
NPUT
2008-04-03 08:42:00
426.   alex 7
Only two games of watching him, but Kemp just seems a little antsy and is swinging at pitches just off the plate (mostly a bit high, and inside pitches).

Pitchers are challenging him, and Kemp's minor league numbers show a 3 to 1 strikeout to walk ratio. Thus, he's unlikely to improve on that anytime soon, we just need him to start crushing the ball more often to balance that out.

He's 23 years old.

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