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Los Angeles: Injury Town
2008-04-22 15:10
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

In following the Lakers this season, I've waited like everyone else for the return of Andrew Bynum and Trevor Ariza from injuries. The fact that their recoveries have taken a long while, relative to initial expectations, evokes the Dodgers to no end.

In the Times, Jonathan Abrams writes about the NASA-inspired treadmill designed to help players like Bynum and Ariza.

The treadmill is replacing swimming pools and other methods for players recouping from leg injuries. Instead of a player running in a pool, where water lightens their body weight but also alters how fast an athlete can run in place, this new treadmill allows them to retain their natural stride and reduce the weight on their injury.

"Pools are kind of like that old 'Far Side' cartoon where the scientist has an equation that says 'Step 2', then a miracle happens," said Jack Irving, vice president of sales and marketing for Alter-G, based in Menlo Park.

It's all well and good, except ... is the treadmill actually working?

At least the Lakers aren't rushing these guys back, and it seems like Jason Schmidt is back to taking his time.

Elsewhere:

  • Baseball Savvy is encouraging donations for National Organ and Tissue Donor Awareness Week.

  • Ross Porter recalls his experience broadcasting that 22-inning Dodgers-Expos game by himself in 1989 at Real Sports Heroes.

  • As some eagle-eyed Dodger Thoughts commenters have noted, the Dodgers have had precious few save opportunities this year. Monday, Chan Ho Park upped the team total to three. The team is tied for last in baseball with two saves. One of the team's advantages going into the season, the Takashi Saito-Jonathan Broxton combo, has been neutralized so far.

    * * *

    Dodgers at Reds, 4:10 p.m.

  • Comments (488)
    Show/Hide Comments 1-50
    2008-04-22 15:14:41
    1.   Neal Pollack
    Never thought I'd be relieved to see Pierre in the lineup over Jones, but here we are.
    2008-04-22 15:17:47
    2.   Eric Enders
    LATed Re: Save opportunities

    As Park's save showed, technically every team leading after either five or six innings has a save opportunity, no matter what the score is.

    Those three-inning saves are weird because they can change the numerator, but they don't always change the denominator. Same applies to blown saves by setup men. It only counts as a save opportunity if they blow it. Whereas for the three-inning relievers, it only counts as a save opportunity if they don't blow it.

    2008-04-22 15:18:21
    3.   Daniel Zappala
    1 I'm not relieved in the slightest. Jones is still a far better hitter.
    2008-04-22 15:19:50
    4.   Jon Weisman
    2 - Wins, saves and rationality. It's not the greatest combo.
    2008-04-22 15:21:25
    5.   Lexinthedena
    320 From last thread...

    Me and my romate live in Pasadena, and arelooking for aleague to play in...

    2008-04-22 15:22:38
    6.   Bob Timmermann
    I must disagree with Andrew's LAT'd comment about Sarah Vowell. She is my ideal woman.
    2008-04-22 15:23:34
    7.   tjdub
    Isn't the three inning save contingent upon the subjective effectiveness of the pitcher? I don't consider 2 runs in 3 innings particularly effective.
    2008-04-22 15:24:23
    8.   Bob Timmermann
    7
    Not any more!

    This is one battle I won!

    2008-04-22 15:24:24
    9.   Jon Weisman
    7 - Uh oh ... here we go.
    2008-04-22 15:24:28
    10.   Eric Enders
    Let's revamp the save rule so that what are now considered "holds" are counted as saves instead. And you should also get one for coming into a tie game and maintaining the tie. Lump all this stuff together and call it saves. That way the accounting system for saves and blown saves would actually (mostly) make sense. And more importantly, teams would be more free to use their best relievers in spots where the baseball situation dictates they should, instead of when the rulebook dictates they should.
    2008-04-22 15:24:42
    11.   Bob Timmermann
    9
    Too late!
    2008-04-22 15:27:27
    12.   Bob Timmermann
    The cheapest save since the rule was put in place in 1969:
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CLE/CLE197306062.shtml

    The least tension in any save ever:
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BAL/BAL200708221.shtml

    2008-04-22 15:27:35
    13.   ToyCannon
    Man, an injury post about LA teams and Clippers get no love at all. I mean come on, if any team can complain about injury issues in LA it is the Clippers.

    MC Safety asked about cribbage in the prior thread. Used to play with my Dad all the time until he moved away two years ago. As a family we played a lot of spades and hearts and a game called wisk. I think part of the allure of cribbage are the cool boards.

    2008-04-22 15:29:06
    14.   Xeifrank
    Chan Ho upped the total to three and the team is in last with two saves. My math minor tells me we might have a typo?
    vr, Xei
    2008-04-22 15:29:50
    15.   tjdub
    I think there is some psycho-social correlation between grade inflation and the cheapening of the save. Someone decided failed starters needed to have their self-esteem re-built. Can we blame LaRussa for societal degradation?
    2008-04-22 15:29:52
    16.   Bob Timmermann
    Three save opportunites - two saves = one blown save.

    MCCLOUTH!!!

    2008-04-22 15:30:17
    17.   Daniel Zappala
    6 Sorry, Bob, she's an atheist.
    2008-04-22 15:31:14
    18.   Bob Timmermann
    17
    I can work around that. Her voice is hypnotic.
    2008-04-22 15:31:51
    19.   Xeifrank
    16. Ok, gotcha. Math was the minor, not english. :)
    vr, Xei
    2008-04-22 15:32:20
    20.   natepurcell
    a little late to the party...non-baseball hobbies:

    Boozer, strippers and gambling.

    2008-04-22 15:32:22
    21.   Eric Stephen
    16
    Doesn't have the same resonating sound as "McBain!!!"
    2008-04-22 15:32:29
    22.   ToyCannon
    A hypnotic atheist, sign me up.
    2008-04-22 15:33:10
    23.   Xeifrank
    21. Or McFly!!!
    vr, Xei
    2008-04-22 15:33:20
    24.   bhsportsguy
    Another strange part of this season is that the only holds that Dodger bullpen has earned was forlast week's game against the Pirates where Proctor, Beimel and Broxton "held" the one run lead for Saito.

    I guess that falls in line with the feast or famine offense. Saito's save was earned in the last series finale in San Diego where the Dodgers scored in the top of the 9th to take the 1 run lead.

    In other news, Jim Tracy would not have enjoyed managing this team.

    2008-04-22 15:33:34
    25.   silverwidow
    Chan Ho should really be DFA'd.
    2008-04-22 15:33:44
    26.   Andrew Shimmin
    18- Hypnotic like a muppet.
    2008-04-22 15:33:52
    27.   Eric Stephen
    20
    You collect things related to the Utah power forward?
    2008-04-22 15:34:16
    28.   Eric Enders
    But she's from Muskogee, Oklahoma. The song implies they don't have no durn atheists there.
    2008-04-22 15:34:27
    29.   ToyCannon
    Those of us who can count decades should do a hobby decade. That might be more interesting after looking at Nate's.
    2008-04-22 15:35:36
    30.   tjdub
    12-both box scores are things of beauty. Thanks. Clearly, their minds unencumbered by the concept of failure, the principles responded with untold triumph.
    2008-04-22 15:36:24
    31.   Hythloday
    27 like chest hair
    2008-04-22 15:38:52
    32.   bhsportsguy
    20 You will need a good paying job or massive expense account to keep up with those hobbies.
    2008-04-22 15:39:31
    33.   regfairfield
    As the resident Nate McLouth idolizer, I should point out that it's not "McClouth" like you'd think.
    2008-04-22 15:40:17
    34.   natepurcell
    32

    Not if you're good at the third one :)

    2008-04-22 15:40:34
    35.   Xeifrank
    32. Or move to the Philippines.
    vr, Xei
    2008-04-22 15:42:45
    36.   ToyCannon
    Man I'd love to have Josh Hamilton roaming CF for us. I couldn't believe the Reds traded him after making such a great pickup in the Rule 5.

    The kid pitching tonight has got talent but Josh Hamilton is a game changing talent. I wonder if Ned was ever in on him since he was going to replace his CF anyway?

    Everytime I watch Josh play I think that this is what a Natural looks like. How come one of you screenwriters hasn't penned a screenplay on this guy?

    2008-04-22 15:43:59
    37.   Xeifrank
    36. They got a decent pitcher and were also thinking about Jay Bruce. But you're right Josh is good. vr, Xei
    2008-04-22 15:45:22
    38.   LAT
    20. Speaking of strippers. Last night, I watched the "Rock of Love 2 Reunion Show". Knocked 20 points off my IQ in 60 mins flat.
    2008-04-22 15:45:34
    39.   MC Safety
    13 Cribbage is a great game.
    2008-04-22 15:46:55
    40.   MC Safety
    35 Hilarious.
    2008-04-22 15:47:29
    41.   bhsportsguy
    34 Touche'

    Scene: Caesars Palace, Las Vegas, Nevada
    Blackjack Table, single dealer with 3-4 casino employees around him. Surrounding a young man dressed in a black tux are showgirls and several other "working girls"

    Dealer: Would you like another card Mr. Minotaur.

    Minotaur: Muttering to himself, 1 for good, 2 for bad, 1 for good, 2 for bad.

    Eye In The Sky: He's doesn't have any electronic devices on him, no partners signaling, and we all know that noting human can count into a 8 deck shoe that is reshuffled every 3rd hand.

    Dealer: Sir?

    Mr. Minotaur: Yes, I'll double down.

    Dealer: On a 19? Yes sir, A 2, that makes 21. You win again.

    2008-04-22 15:47:45
    42.   Eric Enders
    Cribbage needs a new name, or at least a good PR campaign. No matter how great it is, I could never resign myself to playing something called "cribbage." Sounds too much like cabbage.
    2008-04-22 15:49:06
    43.   Bob Timmermann
    42
    I wonder if Mike Cubbage is good at cribbage or likes to eat cabbage.
    2008-04-22 15:49:26
    44.   ToyCannon
    37
    Yes they got a decent pitcher but would you have traded Matt Kemp for a pitching prospect who wasn't a complete blue blood like Kershaw, Gallardo, Hughes, or Bucholz? I'm just asking because I'd rather have Hamilton then Kemp(breathe into the bag Canuck before replying).

    I read somewhere that maybe the Reds were worried that the hard drugs may have damaged his ability to stay healthy for a whole season but it was just conjecture.

    2008-04-22 15:51:30
    45.   Kevin Lewis
    5

    How would you rate your competitive levels?

    All the guys I am talking to played ball at least through high school, but we are pretty relaxed. Yes, we like to win, but some of them are going to be very rusty. If you are looking for an intensely competitive team, than it might not be for you. If not, than we should chat... email me at

    kevblewis at sbcglobal dot net

    2008-04-22 15:52:13
    46.   Xeifrank
    44. I'm not sure. I don't know how long each player is under team control. I'd need someone to chase down all the facts for me and present it in a nice little neat package before making that decision.
    vr, Xei
    2008-04-22 15:54:38
    47.   Eric Enders
    There's no way in hell I'd take Hamilton over Kemp. Hamilton, for one thing, is 27 this year and Kemp is 23. Even then, Hamilton's more likely to be a complete flameout due to not playing baseball during the years when most players are honing their skills at the major or high minor league levels. Hamilton has already reached the age at which players begin to decline. Even if he's able to consolidate his skills and remain a viable major leaguer, last year and this year are probably as good as he will ever get.
    2008-04-22 15:55:09
    48.   Bluebleeder87
    Reliever Yhency Brazoban hasn't allowed a run in 7 2/3 innings for Jacksonville and also has impressed by losing up to 10 pounds.

    "If we need help, he would be at the top of the list," Torre said.

    Icaros is gonna have to dust off & wash up his Ghame Ohver shirt, I'm thinking he'll come up this year.

    2008-04-22 15:56:08
    49.   LAT
    bh. From the last thread, what cooking school are you working with.
    2008-04-22 15:57:39
    50.   bhsportsguy
    46 As far as service time issues, Hamiltion won't be a free agent until after 2012, not sure if Kemp has over a year of combined service time so either 2012 or 2013 for him. Hamilton is three years older so Texas could just pay him the minimum through 2009 and then trade him, however given his past, they could both take a risk and sign a deal through his first couple of arbitration years with team options. I would be cautious not because of the drugs but more because he will turn 34 during his first FA year.
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    2008-04-22 15:59:27
    51.   bhsportsguy
    49 Check your email.
    2008-04-22 16:00:38
    52.   bhsportsguy
    47 I always thought 27 was the magic age for most players.
    2008-04-22 16:02:11
    53.   Marty
    I played a lot of cribbage as a lad. I played almost all card games a long time ago. Canasta, Casino, Spades, Hearts, Pinochle, Bridge. Poker and Bridge are really the only two card games worth playing.
    2008-04-22 16:02:35
    54.   wronghanded
    I thought "prime years" were defined as 27-32 am I wrong?
    2008-04-22 16:02:38
    55.   trainwreck
    From something Jon mentioned in previous thread:

    I do not buy for one second that Pathology is so gory that it will turn gore-hounds off.

    2008-04-22 16:03:41
    56.   Eric Stephen
    50
    Kemp has 1 year, 49 days service time accrued coming into 2008, according to Cot's Baseball Contracts.

    I'm going to the game vs. the Rockies this Saturday so I'll buy a media guide to confirm these things.

    2008-04-22 16:03:46
    57.   D4P
    Why is there a bat behind Edinson Volquez in his Gameday photo...?
    2008-04-22 16:04:46
    58.   Tangled Up in Blue
    5 Speaking of softball. I have been looking to get into a league in Long Beach....
    2008-04-22 16:05:28
    59.   Eric Enders
    52 It's either 26 or 27. In Win Shares, I believe Bill James did a study showing that while the aggregate age 27 performance is better than age 26, the age at which the most players had their career years was 26.

    I think this was a study of Hall of Fame and Hall of Very Good players, though, so the results might or might not apply to players like Hamilton.

    2008-04-22 16:06:22
    60.   Brent Knapp
    I'm in St. George, UT, for work and would love to catch the Dodger game, anyone know of any sports bars that would play that game?
    2008-04-22 16:07:07
    61.   trainwreck
    Mike Dunleavy is doing commentary during the Hornets/Mavs game. It is like old times.
    2008-04-22 16:07:16
    62.   Jon Weisman
    57 - You mean like a "Lost Weekend" bat? That bodes ill.
    2008-04-22 16:07:33
    63.   bhsportsguy
    56 Or save yourself some money and go here.

    http://tinyurl.com/3294v7

    Actually I like getting the Media Guide, I did get one on Opening Day, it was a nice gift that gave out at last years, DT day.

    2008-04-22 16:08:13
    64.   Eric Enders
    54 Yeah, that's definitely wrong. The best year is normally 26 or 27, so the prime years would extend for a couple of years in either direction. Something like 25-29 or along those lines.

    Of course, those are just averages, and not all players fall within that range. Zack Wheat peaked at 36, Al Kaline at 20.

    2008-04-22 16:09:26
    65.   bhsportsguy
    64 First time I read that theory was when I bought John Benson's Fantasy Guide.
    2008-04-22 16:10:22
    66.   Bluebleeder87
    It's a nice day for Volquez (cool last name!!) to get hit slash have his first bad outing
    2008-04-22 16:10:47
    67.   Eric Enders
    56 The 2008 Dodgers media guide says the same thing: 1 year, 49 days.
    2008-04-22 16:14:44
    68.   ryu
    Wow, I just looked at the standings and it says we are only 1 game out of 2nd place.

    I don't feel so bad now.

    2008-04-22 16:15:23
    69.   fanerman
    2 K's to start the game.
    2008-04-22 16:16:57
    70.   Xeifrank
    Results-wise, Guo and Volquez are very similar pitchers. Lots of Ks, the potential is there for some serious wildness. I hope our version does better. vr, Xei
    2008-04-22 16:17:28
    71.   Underbruin
    53 - Poker and Bridge are really the only two card games worth playing.

    Seconded.

    2008-04-22 16:18:40
    72.   Bluebleeder87
    We too have a flame thrower by the name (depending on who you ask) K/Gou, if he stays with in him self I'm thinking he's gonna have a good day at the office.
    2008-04-22 16:18:42
    73.   Xeifrank
    71. I prefer a good game of "cups", even if the rules are hard to follow.
    vr, Xei
    2008-04-22 16:18:57
    74.   Underbruin
    Also, 54 / 64 - I believe the 27-32 is for pitchers, who tend to have their peak seasons slightly later in their careers than hitters.

    No?

    2008-04-22 16:19:35
    75.   LAT
    51. No email. Did you send it to

    l.tabb@mpglaw.com

    2008-04-22 16:24:50
    76.   Bluebleeder87
    Ha!
    2008-04-22 16:25:19
    77.   MC Safety
    Juan Pierre couldn't have done that.
    2008-04-22 16:25:22
    78.   Gen3Blue
    Nice play Kemp. And Loney
    2008-04-22 16:25:27
    79.   fanerman
    That's why they call him The Bison!!
    2008-04-22 16:25:48
    80.   Bluebleeder87
    Matt Kemp just DP'ed the Reds. Sorry but I couldn't begin to explain how it happened.
    2008-04-22 16:26:59
    81.   Xeifrank
    Hit N Run dp?
    vr, Xei
    2008-04-22 16:27:10
    82.   Gen3Blue
    How can you think those kind of outfield throws are not important to a team.

    And that's a nice touch if Kemp is in center. And realistic too.

    2008-04-22 16:27:22
    83.   Daniel Zappala
    Nobody mentioned playing "Go" as a hobby. I've always wanted to learn.
    2008-04-22 16:27:39
    84.   bhsportsguy
    75 I resent it to that address.
    2008-04-22 16:27:49
    85.   fanerman
    81 He caught a fly ball and threw out Hairston Jr. who was doing who knows what away from 1st base.
    2008-04-22 16:28:05
    86.   Xeifrank
    Nice 13 pitch inning from Guo. Volquez threw 17. vr, Xei
    2008-04-22 16:28:27
    87.   Bluebleeder87
    Bob would know how to score that...
    2008-04-22 16:28:50
    88.   Andrew Shimmin
    81- Yeah, but it was still dumb. He had time to get back.
    2008-04-22 16:29:10
    89.   bhsportsguy
    87 Easy.

    F8,8-3 DP

    2008-04-22 16:29:29
    90.   Gen3Blue
    Somehow I have two broadcast teams and both of them sound pretty bad.
    2008-04-22 16:30:37
    91.   Gen3Blue
    OOps sorry, I think one of them is the D's. Is it Stiener and someone.
    2008-04-22 16:31:36
    92.   Daniel Zappala
    First four Red Sox batters: HR, double, FC, single. The Angels got out of it with only one run scored.
    2008-04-22 16:32:08
    93.   Andrew Shimmin
    Learning that bhsportsguy's cooking classes are too secret to be talked about in the open makes me think of Ron Howard taking his children to the secret celebrity zoo with the fantastipotamus.
    2008-04-22 16:34:05
    94.   Andrew Shimmin
    JAWFMK
    2008-04-22 16:34:59
    95.   nofatmike
    Grabowski Principle in effect: Volquez just walked Kemp.
    2008-04-22 16:46:07
    96.   dzzrtRatt
    Juan Pierre was a Dusty Baker favorite, Charlie Steiner has just informed us.
    2008-04-22 16:46:43
    97.   MC Safety
    Kuo bat flip!
    2008-04-22 16:47:54
    98.   MC Safety
    Back to back doubles by Kuo and Furcal!

    1-0, good guys.

    2008-04-22 16:48:05
    99.   Ken Noe
    96 I tried to make that trade last winter.
    2008-04-22 16:48:14
    100.   El Lay Dave
    Kuo got through two IP in 26 pitches.
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    2008-04-22 16:48:39
    101.   trainwreck
    97
    Baah, I wish I could have seen it.

    Go, Kuo!

    2008-04-22 16:50:32
    102.   El Lay Dave
    Furcal esta en fuego.

    FWIW, Furcal, not Nomar, was the headline and lead in La Opinión today.

    2008-04-22 16:51:45
    103.   Jon Weisman
    Kuo's career OPS is .765.
    2008-04-22 16:52:51
    104.   Bluebleeder87
    I was gonna say, Dusty doesnt look good in Cincy Red or is it just me?
    2008-04-22 16:52:55
    105.   Frip
    The Great American Ballpark. What a dork name. Some corporate name like Bear Asprin Park would be better.
    2008-04-22 16:58:41
    106.   Jim Hitchcock
    Way to go Kuo has a nice ring to it.
    2008-04-22 17:00:12
    107.   Linkmeister
    Gameday needs to fix the title section of its HTML: it still reads Gameday 2007.
    2008-04-22 17:03:11
    108.   Jon Weisman
    107 - I'm linking to last year's version.
    2008-04-22 17:04:20
    109.   Linkmeister
    108 Ah.
    2008-04-22 17:05:19
    110.   Ken Noe
    105 It is a corporate name. Great American Insurance.
    2008-04-22 17:05:22
    111.   bigcpa
    Bako, Votto. Votto, Bako.
    2008-04-22 17:07:01
    112.   Lexinthedena
    Isn't Bako's actual first name Gabor?
    2008-04-22 17:07:08
    113.   Gen3Blue
    I'm amazed that Joe got to see what he had in Kuo, early. This could mean a chance to get the best out of him and perhaps save his arm for a while.
    2008-04-22 17:08:36
    114.   Gen3Blue
    Hey' if a guy commits to bunting before the pitch, and you have a good overhand fast-ball. Throw it--pop-up. Easy enough.
    2008-04-22 17:11:02
    115.   El Lay Dave
    According to Tony Jackson's blog, Jones sitting is only partially due to slumping:
    Whatever it is, Andruw said his entire body has been feeling a bit achy lately. That's why, when Torre asked him if he wanted to sit tonight, Andruw didn't exactly argue about it. Torre called [it] a little flu bug, but he also said his wife's relatives, who live here in Cincinnati, have told him on this trip that the allergy season here has been particularly severe this year.
    2008-04-22 17:11:14
    116.   ToyCannon
    104
    Dusty hasn't looked good since he shedded the Dodger Blue.
    His 1976 season was bizarre then and it still looks bizarre now.
    2008-04-22 17:11:14
    117.   Andrew Shimmin
    Votto refuses to run on Pierre's arm. He's a gentleman.
    2008-04-22 17:11:59
    118.   El Lay Dave
    And Diamond Leung's blog quotes Jones:
    "My allergies have been killing me," Jones said. "I just didn't feel good. I'm still the same, just aching. You feel like you're sore, like you've been hit by a car."
    2008-04-22 17:13:05
    119.   MollyKnight
    Ouch.

    Boo!

    2008-04-22 17:14:12
    120.   MollyKnight
    118-Get the man some benadryl. And an espresso machine.
    2008-04-22 17:14:18
    121.   Gen3Blue
    Although I feeling warm towards Juan tonight, and he is doing OK, that was a time when you might want a left fielder with an arm.

    Well you want to talk about bad luck, we have it. Poor Kuo (Gou). Whatever.

    2008-04-22 17:15:05
    122.   LAT
    115 and 118. Druw has never heard of Claritin-D?
    2008-04-22 17:16:27
    123.   MollyKnight
    122-I think you just came up with a new nickname for him.
    2008-04-22 17:16:31
    124.   El Lay Dave
    120, 122: Does that work on slider allergies?
    2008-04-22 17:16:54
    125.   fanerman
    118 Allergies kill me like that, too. My productivity at the office drops significantly.
    2008-04-22 17:17:05
    126.   El Lay Dave
    Can anyone describe the Keppinger "single to first"?
    2008-04-22 17:17:36
    127.   Gen3Blue
    Darn, Kuo pitched Griffey great.
    2008-04-22 17:18:28
    128.   fanerman
    127 Darn?
    2008-04-22 17:19:22
    129.   Lexinthedena
    Man, if Kuo could stay healthy...
    2008-04-22 17:20:07
    130.   bhsportsguy
    117 Wasn't it more a case where he refused to run on Furcal's arm.

    126 Lined somehere below Kuo's Mendoza line, ball went into foul territory near 3B.

    2008-04-22 17:20:13
    131.   El Lay Dave
    Kuo was ahead in the count on each of hits that inning, 0-2 to Votto, 1-2 to Hairston, 0-1 to Keppinger. Plus no walks. Command must be decent tonight.
    2008-04-22 17:22:03
    132.   DXMachina
    126 - The ball hit Kuo and ricocheted off.

    As a side note, Kuo is now pronouncing his name in a higher octave.

    2008-04-22 17:23:10
    133.   Frip
    It's not just machismo Charlie, it's that guys don't want to lose their jobs.
    2008-04-22 17:23:39
    134.   El Lay Dave
    130 Thanks. A little fortunate to have it stay in the infield, I suppose.
    2008-04-22 17:25:03
    135.   El Lay Dave
    132 This would be a good time for him to try and karaoke to Frankie Valli.
    2008-04-22 17:26:54
    136.   El Lay Dave
    From Diamond's blog:

    Tony Abreu saw his Philadelphia-based surgeon today and is headed back to Los Angeles to undergo a contrast MRI on his right hip.

    Right hip? Now what?

    Andy LaRoche went 0 for 2 with three walks and a hit by pitch [in extended Spring Training, I imagine] and is off to begin a rehabilitation assignment with Class AA Jacksonville.

    2008-04-22 17:27:25
    137.   Frip
    Hell would be having to listen to Yogi Berra repeat that dumb line from the Aflac barber shop commercial

    "not so close, whaddya think I got that insurance?"

    over and over and over. Kinda like what we've had to go through for two years now with this sickeningly stupid ever present ad.

    2008-04-22 17:27:57
    138.   El Lay Dave
    Kuo 54 pitches through 3.
    2008-04-22 17:30:34
    139.   MC Safety
    137 I love that commercial.
    2008-04-22 17:30:50
    140.   ucladodger
    The ump just cost the team a run. kuo with a beauty of a 2-2 pitch on the corner that he calls a ball (how do you call a thigh high slider from a lefty on the outside corner a ball?) and Dunn hits the next pitch out.
    2008-04-22 17:31:06
    141.   El Lay Dave
    That was not the true outcome I was hoping Kuo would get from Dunn.
    2008-04-22 17:31:56
    142.   Andrew Shimmin
    Encahnarcion is no gentleman.
    2008-04-22 17:32:24
    143.   dzzrtRatt
    "Run-On" Juan Pierre.
    2008-04-22 17:32:28
    144.   Gen3Blue
    My announcers just spent a good bit of time working through the question of when a player who is hurt should gut it out and play, vs. when they should sit for the good of the team. This is relevant because we had a guy(Furcal) who gritted his teeth and played on a bad ankle last year. Being one and two with Juan Pierre he gave the D's an early line-up that nothing could overcome, and that influenced last years story.
    2008-04-22 17:32:38
    145.   Frip
    MC Safety, do you really love that commercial?
    2008-04-22 17:32:59
    146.   Lefty Supremacist
    Was that a "GAB HR", or was that a "Dunn HR"?
    2008-04-22 17:33:07
    147.   Bluebleeder87
    You have a guy with a LONG swing & you pitch him out side, what the hell man, you gotta sneak it middle in & I GUARANTEE YOU Dunn WON'T TUCH IT, GUARANTEED!!!
    2008-04-22 17:35:24
    148.   Bluebleeder87
    Well at least we set up the DP...

    Let's go K/Gou (claps)

    2008-04-22 17:35:29
    149.   bhsportsguy
    147 I think Adam Dunn has hit a lot of balls in the middle of the plate.
    2008-04-22 17:35:30
    150.   Frip
    I'm really not in the mood to lose tonight. REALLY not.
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    2008-04-22 17:35:43
    151.   Gen3Blue
    The umpires have subtely influenced this game all the way tonight. But I don't think they have any intent so it is just one of those things that turned a game around.
    2008-04-22 17:36:14
    152.   MC Safety
    145 Pretty much.
    2008-04-22 17:36:21
    153.   Bluebleeder87
    The OLD SQUEEZE, (ha didn't work)
    2008-04-22 17:36:58
    154.   El Lay Dave
    Kuo with only five swinging strikes through Encarnacion's double. Not missing many bats tonight.
    2008-04-22 17:37:28
    155.   bhsportsguy
    He may be done tonight.
    2008-04-22 17:38:48
    156.   bhsportsguy
    Kuo still seems to be relying on his 90+ fastball, guys foul it off and build up pitch counts.
    2008-04-22 17:39:08
    157.   Bluebleeder87
    I think Adam Dunn has hit a lot of balls in the middle of the plate.

    the pitch was middle away (the dinger) but I think if K/Gou pitches him middle IN you won't have the result K/Gou had.

    2008-04-22 17:39:52
    158.   Frip
    This guy has the most annoying at bat presence I've ever seen.
    2008-04-22 17:40:01
    159.   dzzrtRatt
    144 What if you had a guy working for the team whose job would be to select the players who would play each day, based on who was better, who matched up with the opposing pitcher better, and who was in good enough shape to play in the event of an injury. You'd call him, maybe, a "manager."

    Nah, that's crazy talk.

    They write about Furcal's injury and his inability to recover due to daily play as if Furcal was solely responsible for putting himself in the lineup each day.

    Grady could've sat him, but apparently was, what, afraid to?

    2008-04-22 17:40:29
    160.   Bluebleeder87
    80 pitches so far for K/Gou I really hope he gets out of it & Torre switches him.
    2008-04-22 17:41:13
    161.   Bob Timmermann
    Dunn's homer came on a 91.9 mph fastball with a pFX of 17", a break of -7.8" and an arc of -50.3 degrees. I.e., it was right over the plate.
    2008-04-22 17:41:36
    162.   Bluebleeder87
    Nice move by Torre to take the ball from K/Gou, I really like the move.
    2008-04-22 17:43:11
    163.   JoeyP
    Good move to pull Kuo there.
    He's at 80 pitches, really laboring.
    2008-04-22 17:43:24
    164.   underdog
    Sigh. I missed good Kuo, tuned in in time to see bad Kuo (though I agree that he was squeezed on that pitch preceding Dunn's homer) and now Kuo exiting.

    Sigh. Well, these guys can come back. Just need to limit the damage.

    Otherwise, who knows, before long we could be seeing The Schmidtataur, or the Minotaur.

    2008-04-22 17:43:58
    165.   underdog
    Now I hope we get to see Good Proctor, not the Bad Proctor we saw in Atlanta.
    2008-04-22 17:44:33
    166.   Zak
    162 , 163 I agree.
    2008-04-22 17:44:50
    167.   bhsportsguy
    I also wonder how much that liner that hit him affected him.
    2008-04-22 17:46:18
    168.   PDH5204
    Really laboring? Two fielding plays missed. If not, he's out of the inning with 1 run scored. Now we get to see Proctor give away the show.
    2008-04-22 17:46:42
    169.   underdog
    {Rule 1 violation, commencing, now.}

    4 great pitches and one bad one.

    2008-04-22 17:46:54
    170.   Bluebleeder87
    The Bison™ made it close there.
    2008-04-22 17:46:59
    171.   ucladodger
    Nice 0-2 hanging slider there, Scott. Too bad the mound got in the way or else Bako is toast. This team is either really good or really really bad. Not fun.
    2008-04-22 17:47:38
    172.   underdog
    Kuo looked like he was laboring to me, too. Alas, you were correct about Proctor. Still think it was the right move, though.
    2008-04-22 17:47:41
    173.   Lexinthedena
    Proctor is having a rough season. I feel no confidence when he comes in.
    2008-04-22 17:48:10
    174.   JoeyP
    Middle relievers are such garbage...and anytime you trade for them you're just asking to get burned.
    2008-04-22 17:49:18
    175.   Bluebleeder87
    It just goes to show how the game trajectory can change by BAD PLAYS, sigh.
    2008-04-22 17:49:22
    176.   underdog
    You guys are actually putting me in a worse mood than the game itself. I'm outta here for the eve.
    2008-04-22 17:50:24
    177.   JoeyP
    168--80 pitches in less than 4 innings is a rather large workload.

    Probably the right move to pull him, but a crappy result.

    If the team doesnt come back tonight, its absolutely imperative they win at least 1 vs the Dbax.

    2008-04-22 17:50:33
    178.   underdog
    Sorry, that wasn't really directed at anyone. Maybe the game itself has put me in a bad mood. I'm gonna go play Hot Wheels at work and then go home. That'll make me feel better. Peace out, blue faithful.
    2008-04-22 17:50:36
    179.   Bluebleeder87
    I still have confidence but it sure makes it harder though.
    2008-04-22 17:52:02
    180.   dzzrtRatt
    How is it that our #1 starter, Penny was followed by our #5 starter, Kuo & committee? When did they get out of order?
    2008-04-22 17:53:05
    181.   Bluebleeder87
    178

    [kisses fingers, shows peace sign & walks out the door]

    2008-04-22 17:53:09
    182.   underdog
    Well done, Slappy McOut. I actually miss Andruw today. Okay, I said I was leaving. Sorry, just one more for the road.
    2008-04-22 17:53:12
    183.   Zak
    This inning is huge. The Dodgers have to get something back and they cannot let Volquez have an easy inning.
    2008-04-22 17:53:43
    184.   Bluebleeder87
    180

    The whole system is out of order!!!

    2008-04-22 17:53:51
    185.   bhsportsguy
    Unless Kuo can develop some type of consisttent off-speed pitch, I don't know what to make of him, he can't be a reliever because he can't pitch on multiple days and also apparently he needs time to loosen up.
    2008-04-22 17:54:12
    186.   ucladodger
    Seems like that was Delwyn's first AB in a week or so. Not fair to him at all, and the expected result occurred. I don't think its DT, underdog, it's watching this team play.
    2008-04-22 17:54:16
    187.   El Lay Dave
    180 The Billingsley mist/rain game.
    2008-04-22 17:54:16
    188.   PDH5204
    Proctor has this fatal habit of throwing some great pitches but then throwing the one meatball.
    2008-04-22 17:54:46
    189.   bhsportsguy
    180 The Dodgers skip this spot whenever they can.
    2008-04-22 17:55:35
    190.   Gen3Blue
    It's obvious the Dodgers are just setting up this young pitcher to jump on in the next inning.
    2008-04-22 17:55:42
    191.   ucladodger
    185

    His slider is a bona-fide out pitch. Kuo didnt pitch as bad as his line looked. Votto got a single by sticking the bat out and toching the ball, Hairston had a blooper, Dunn should have been k'd but then hits a homer, and Votta gets a dribbler for a hit. Thats 4 hits right there that were pretty much the result of bad luck.

    2008-04-22 17:55:58
    192.   JoeyP
    Volquez was nasty that inning.
    Dusty has some pretty good young arms to ruin with him, Cueto, and Bailey.
    2008-04-22 17:56:48
    193.   bhsportsguy
    187 No that wasn't it. The 5th starter only had to pitch twice in the teams first 15 games due to off days. Penny pitched on Wednesday night and they wanted to keep him on a regular 5 day rotation so he pitched yesterday.
    2008-04-22 17:57:36
    194.   bhsportsguy
    Loiaza is fighting for the start on Sunday.
    2008-04-22 17:57:36
    195.   El Lay Dave
    188 Middle relievers are like that, otherwise they'd be 8th inning guys or closers.

    11 pitch inning for Volquez, 73 in 5 IP, not that Dusty's counting.

    2008-04-22 17:57:54
    196.   Bluebleeder87
    I was in such a good mood too, man...

    I'm kind of PO'ed right now but I don't wanna show it, are my acting skills up to par peepz?

    2008-04-22 18:00:01
    197.   Bluebleeder87
    Looks like Torre threw in the towel...
    2008-04-22 18:00:18
    198.   Frip
    So all the sudden we've lost.
    2008-04-22 18:01:13
    199.   Bluebleeder87
    I've heard Loaiza really really struggles in April so why not NOT use him then, aaahhh!!
    2008-04-22 18:01:23
    200.   Gen3Blue
    Oh my, I hadn't realized we had conceeded and put in Loiaza. I'm kind of shocked.
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    2008-04-22 18:01:29
    201.   Bob Timmermann
    196
    You spell better when you get angry. I bet if we woke up in the middle of the night, you'd sound like James Earl Jones.
    2008-04-22 18:02:35
    202.   Gen3Blue
    Oh well, thank god Kemp didn't run over JP.
    2008-04-22 18:02:37
    203.   bhsportsguy
    I realize its frustration but when your starter doesn't make it out of the 4th, you tend to lose. Joe is just hoping that he doesn't have to burn out his pen tonight.
    2008-04-22 18:03:53
    204.   El Lay Dave
    In a four run game in the fifth and Chan-Ho unavailable, I don't see Torre using anyone but Loaiza here. Certainly not Broxton, Beimel or Saito.
    2008-04-22 18:04:19
    205.   LogikReader
    Has Jon ever titled a post "The Dodgers are not a good baseball team?"

    Welp fellas, at least we have our health! That goes for the Dodgers, too :)

    2008-04-22 18:05:14
    206.   Hallux Valgus
    I'm really starting to dislike this Votto character.
    2008-04-22 18:06:52
    207.   Frip
    You win some, lose some, it's all the same to me.

    --Motorhead

    2008-04-22 18:07:29
    208.   Bluebleeder87
    What? it's only the 5th...
    2008-04-22 18:07:40
    209.   Jacob Burch
    If this team starts playing a little bit better so there's an actual shot at the playoffs, I can see them usurping 2005's team as the most frustrating team to watch. I know talk-jocks and journalists love to jump on the feast or famine idea, but I can't remember a team that really hit it as much as this team.
    2008-04-22 18:08:01
    210.   bhsportsguy
    205] If the Dodgers go on and lose, the 5th starter spot will be 1-2 with one more start in April.

    The bad thing is if you have to burn up your pen everytime but if you can somehow win 50% of those starts, I think you will take that with a smile.

    2008-04-22 18:09:30
    211.   Johnny Nucleo
    Paul Bako's first IBB since he was a Dodger.
    2008-04-22 18:09:33
    212.   Bluebleeder87
    I'm not sure the Reds have a good bullpen (plus there the Reds man!) so I'm still clinging on to some childish hope I guess.
    2008-04-22 18:10:10
    213.   overkill94
    Cycle alert is at Red for Hinske in Tampa Bay
    2008-04-22 18:11:02
    214.   LAT
    Forget the pitching. How can you win when you only have 3 hits and one is from your pitcher?
    2008-04-22 18:11:08
    215.   thinkblue0
    this team just simply isn't good.

    So glad that Jones signing is working out for us!

    2008-04-22 18:11:39
    216.   PDH5204
    204 If the one out was that important to put in Proctor knowing that he'll be hit for top of next inning, why not Broxton in lieu of Proctor? If you're going to rely on Loaiza, I don't see why Joe couldn't have used Broxton there and then Loaiza through 7, and then Beimel and Saito. Of course, Loaiza's performance makes all this sterile debate.
    2008-04-22 18:11:50
    217.   Ken Noe
    Here we go, the amazing comeback begins.
    2008-04-22 18:12:12
    218.   Bluebleeder87
    Man I love Russell, he realized we need runners not an 8 run home run so he takes the walk, you gotta love that.
    2008-04-22 18:12:38
    219.   Bob Timmermann
    213
    First red alert of the year.

    Did you order that red alert?

    Tell me the truth!

    2008-04-22 18:12:45
    220.   Andrew Shimmin
    This team is good. It's been a rough three weeks, but the team will be fine.
    2008-04-22 18:12:54
    221.   bhsportsguy
    In no way comparing respective talent but

    2008 Dodgers first 20 games possibly 8-12

    2007 Yankees first 20 games - 8-12 (finished April 9-14, May 22-29)

    Joe has seen this before.

    2008-04-22 18:13:01
    222.   Gen3Blue
    Russel should probably steel here. I wouldn't blame him if he's caught. You have to try and shake this pitcher. Of course Nomar should help.

    Peeeeeew.

    2008-04-22 18:13:31
    223.   Bob Timmermann
    220
    That's Serious Andrew speaking there.
    2008-04-22 18:13:37
    224.   Ken Noe
    217 Well, so much for that.
    2008-04-22 18:14:51
    225.   Andrew Shimmin
    223- I was inspired by last night's House rerun. People can change!
    2008-04-22 18:15:20
    226.   Frip
    Fairly good point by Lyons on ump calls and necessary hacks.
    2008-04-22 18:17:29
    227.   El Lay Dave
    224 But wasn't Nomar supposed to get a good pitch to hit with Kent behind him?
    2008-04-22 18:18:36
    228.   Bob Hendley
    210 - And, we are not talking about the 4 spot as well, unlike last year. Plus, the mythical one lurking.
    2008-04-22 18:18:45
    229.   Frip
    Sometimes Kent looks like a handsome leading man, sometimes he looks like a hick.
    2008-04-22 18:18:48
    230.   Bluebleeder87
    man, Loaiza has no business being in the bigs with 82 mph heat, or was it an off-speed pitch.
    2008-04-22 18:19:02
    231.   still bevens
    226 I'll take the backwards K against a double play anyday.
    2008-04-22 18:19:45
    232.   Bob Timmermann
    To be correct, the red alert is not in Tampa Bay or even St. Petersburg. The Rays and Jays are playing in Lake Buena Vista, Florida at Champion Stadium.
    2008-04-22 18:19:45
    233.   Reddog
    Bums
    2008-04-22 18:21:02
    234.   dzzrtRatt
    222 Channeling bluebleeder?
    2008-04-22 18:21:41
    235.   MollyKnight
    Looks like my setting the runs over/under at 1 was sadly accurate today.

    :(

    2008-04-22 18:22:22
    236.   JoeyP
    This is the 2nd joker that Ned's been fooled on when it comes to a loss in velocity.

    The 1st was Schmidt.

    2008-04-22 18:22:41
    237.   Bluebleeder87
    229

    I'm thinking he looks like this tonight >> [http://tinyurl.com/3eznj3 ] You gotta copy & paste frip, you MUST! (too funny!)

    2008-04-22 18:23:15
    238.   Gen3Blue
    Bums!
    2008-04-22 18:23:42
    239.   El Lay Dave
    217 Ethier, Kemp, Loney due up. Maybe now?
    2008-04-22 18:23:43
    240.   bhsportsguy
    235 Your Knight on Cheeseburgers should be sold as a poster.
    2008-04-22 18:25:04
    241.   El Lay Dave
    86 pitches for Volquez through 6 IP.
    2008-04-22 18:25:12
    242.   bhsportsguy
    Chris Paul has 27 points and 15 assists tonight as the Hornets will take a 2-0 lead. The Mavericks will have to get out early in Game 3 or else Avery Johnson will be out looking for a new job.
    2008-04-22 18:25:29
    243.   NorCal-Dodger
    NedCo

    J. Schmidt - Bust
    E. Loaiza - Bust

    A. Jones - So far a Bust
    J. Pierre - He is what he is.

    Nomar- Resigned

    Hope he is on a short leash if this season continues the way it is.

    2008-04-22 18:25:38
    244.   natepurcell
    Volquez has a lot of moving parts in his delivery. I can see how he can have games where his control is all over the place.

    Although I do like his arm action. He needs to stop cuffing the ball though.

    2008-04-22 18:25:40
    245.   Lexinthedena
    I wanted to scoff at the Pedro comparisons, and Volquez is no Pedro, but he is definitely Pedro-esque.
    2008-04-22 18:26:11
    246.   Bluebleeder87
    I think Sabean & probably a few others are worse, but it's scary that guys like this are GM's I mean think about it, IMO I don't think they have good evaluation skills, they have GREAT COMMUNICATION skills but no evaluations kills.
    2008-04-22 18:27:20
    247.   Frip
    That's hilarious BlueBleeder. Very much the Gomer.

    Though a few minutes ago after his at bat he looked like he could star in his own Marlboro layout.

    2008-04-22 18:27:39
    248.   Lexinthedena
    246 That's how I imagined Ned getting the job, by being a fantastic interview for a green owner who probably let Tommy sit in on the interview.
    2008-04-22 18:28:33
    249.   bhsportsguy
    This is why Jon had another child, something to distract during these games.
    2008-04-22 18:29:20
    250.   Bluebleeder87
    The ump is being very gracious with the low strike tonight. I really dislike jumping on Ned when things go wrong but he can be such an easy target with things are gong wrong, personally I'm gonna stop bashing Ned (tonight at least)
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    2008-04-22 18:29:26
    251.   LogikReader
    What was it we said about silver lining? Last place would be curtains for Ned... I mean, wouldn't it?
    2008-04-22 18:30:30
    252.   LogikReader
    Oh well... Time to watch the Suns/Spurs game.

    Any predictions?

    2008-04-22 18:31:09
    253.   Hallux Valgus
    246 He isn't the only one doing the evaluating. Actually, considering that he didn't come from the scouting community at all, I'd say that he's not doing the majority of the evaluating.

    Ned is not a monarch in the front office.

    2008-04-22 18:31:30
    254.   fanerman
    243 Furcal? Kuroda?
    2008-04-22 18:31:47
    255.   Suffering Bruin
    I didn't start Voloquez tonight on my fantasy team. I didn't feel it was morally right; he's pitching against my favorite team, after all.

    I have friends who are telling me tonight that I be a sentimental fool.

    2008-04-22 18:32:02
    256.   bigcpa
    Monday & Reuss are now lecturing on the weakness of the Quality Start stat. They of course fixate on the worst possible 6ip, 3er variety and Reuss calls the stat "laughable." They said 4.50 ERA isn't even avg. The avg starter ERA in 2007 was 4.64 in the NL and 4.61 in the AL.
    2008-04-22 18:32:17
    257.   NorCal-Dodger
    252 More points will be scored than what we did on this road trip.
    2008-04-22 18:32:23
    258.   Lexinthedena
    249 I'm laughing right now because my daughter is in Palm Springs with her mom, visiting Grandma, which is forcing me to pay even more attention this game.
    2008-04-22 18:32:42
    259.   trainwreck
    If you were all hockey fans, you would not be so bored.
    2008-04-22 18:32:50
    260.   D4P
    I see that Nomar is 0-3 thus far. I guess he forgot that he was gonna get a bunch of fastballs to hit with Kent hitting behind him.
    2008-04-22 18:32:56
    261.   Gen3Blue
    Wow, that was an impotent looking at bat.
    2008-04-22 18:33:13
    262.   Bob Timmermann
    Why do people spell the guy's name Voloquez? I wonder if Edinson Volquez is the Spanish equivalent of Jack Stephan.
    2008-04-22 18:33:55
    263.   Gen3Blue
    Well, Nomars been hitting 3rd, so he's the best we have.
    2008-04-22 18:34:36
    264.   natepurcell
    262

    Voloquez rolls off the tongue better.

    2008-04-22 18:34:41
    265.   JoeyP
    Ned said that he consulted some of the Dodgers internal scouts for explanations on Loaiza, Druw, and Schmidt.

    Evidently, those guys saw stuff with their eyes that didnt show up in the stats or radar gun that caused them to give an endorsement of signing each guy.

    2008-04-22 18:34:47
    266.   Hallux Valgus
    The Reds have cheerleaders? what?
    2008-04-22 18:34:59
    267.   Bob Timmermann
    Is it wrong for me to enjoy reading the sufferings of others?
    2008-04-22 18:35:28
    268.   Bob Timmermann
    264
    That sir, is almost, but not quite impossible to believe.
    2008-04-22 18:35:29
    269.   Frip
    So 1 in 150 people have autism. Who knew?
    2008-04-22 18:35:59
    270.   Bob Timmermann
    Hinske at bat in Lake Buena Vista. Red alert.
    2008-04-22 18:36:11
    271.   NorCal-Dodger
    254 Hopefully, Ned will work on resigning Furcal and keep Repko away from him...too early to tell on Kuroda could turn into an Ishii pumpkin...just duck when the liner gets hit up the middle.
    2008-04-22 18:36:21
    272.   bhsportsguy
    251 Why would you think that, did anyone say World Series or bust.

    GMs, even bad ones, usually are not as expendable as managers, possibly because they are closer to the owners than the field manager.

    Also, Torre will deflect some of the attack.
    Now if Joe wants him fired, that's another story.

    2008-04-22 18:37:35
    273.   Bob Timmermann
    Hinske K's.

    Cycle alert canceled.

    Stand down.

    2008-04-22 18:37:58
    274.   Hallux Valgus
    267 I prefer to say schadenfreude. It sounds classier because it's foreign.
    2008-04-22 18:38:26
    275.   D4P
    I tend to think it's a little unfair to fire the GM if ownership has supported all of the GM's transactions.*

    *Unless, of course, said GM does not mingle at club Christmas parties.

    2008-04-22 18:38:37
    276.   natepurcell
    265

    I think scouts use radar guns.... unless the Dodgers only have scouts who are 80 years old.

    2008-04-22 18:39:25
    277.   bhsportsguy
    It is strange how this team either all hits a guy or don't hit a guy. I remember the late '90s teams with Piazza, Karros, and Mondesi sometimes with Wallach or Zeille. It seemed back them that they would do the same thing.

    Now they were all right handed so that could explain, Piazza generally hit everybody but it wasn't enough.

    2008-04-22 18:40:16
    278.   NorCal-Dodger
    I think it was some 80 yr old scout that suggested the Ethier/Bradley trade.
    2008-04-22 18:40:39
    279.   Bob Hendley
    273 - How do the good people at Thief Falls, Wherever decide when to stand down on a red alert. Hinske was the final out of the game?
    2008-04-22 18:41:13
    280.   Lexinthedena
    262 Fastballs and Changeups? call Edison Volokowski!
    2008-04-22 18:41:50
    281.   Hallux Valgus
    276 you can tell the Dodger scouts because they're the ones riding the bikes with the big huge front wheels to the stadium.
    2008-04-22 18:42:20
    282.   Frip
    Shouldn't cheerleaders be called cheerproducers?
    2008-04-22 18:42:22
    283.   LogikReader
    272

    I have to admit, finishing in last, with the Giants in the same division, would take a monumentally bad team. If that doesn't fire a GM in the Nation's #2 market, I'd be surprised.

    ---

    Here is a summary of my frustration tonight.

    When I go around the dial on Extra Innings, I see everyone, almost every team getting extra base hits.

    If the Dodgers were losing 13-3, it might be more tolerable, but tonight, we could end up scoring 1 run in 3 out of 4 games. That doesn't even seem fair. Most teams can score 3-5 runs by accident.

    That's basically it. I know the Dodgers will pick it up, but at the moment that's what I'm thinking.

    2008-04-22 18:43:12
    284.   Andrew Shimmin
    274, 281- This is fast becoming the Simpsons' quote baitingest thread in the history of the internet.
    2008-04-22 18:43:42
    285.   Gen3Blue
    Andruw batting for Loiaza. How apt. 25 milion in aquisitions.

    If the D's had no money they would be close to Arizona and Colorado.

    2008-04-22 18:43:49
    286.   LAT
    Imagine you are talking to a Tiger (7-13), Indian (7-12) or NYY (10-10) fan. They are lamenting that their team, despite the payroll and trades, is terrible and will finish in the cellar. You don't care about these teams (except maybe to hate the latter)-you are a Dodger fan. You laugh inside knowing the season is only 20 games old and neither the Tigers, Yankees nor Indians will be anywhere near the bottom come September. Yet, we completly lose our perspective when the Dodgers lose.

    The same is true of the D'Backs. I am especially guilty of this. I swear the D'Backs will have an "x" next to their name in the standings by June. But if I believe that I'd also have to believe the Marlins (12-7) will win their division, Baltimore (12-8) is really the second best team in the AL East and the White Sox (11-7) will trounce the Tigers and Indians.

    None of these things are true. The Tigers, Yanks and Indians are very good teams. The Dodgers will heat up. The D'Backs will cool down. I wish we had opened the season hot but we led the division into Aug last year and what good did that do us? The truth is 20 games into the season there are a lot of mis-leading records, including the Dodgers'.

    (So anyone convinced? Anyone?)

    2008-04-22 18:43:51
    287.   JoeyP
    272--You might have a point if the payroll wasnt $127 mils. With that big of payroll, comes some rather large expectations.

    Ned will get the heat this year. Last year, he passed it to Grady. He wont get the chance to do it with a "proven winner" like Torre.

    2008-04-22 18:44:28
    288.   Bob Timmermann
    279
    I was told that the Rays bullpen is like money in the bank.
    2008-04-22 18:45:18
    289.   PDH5204
    255 I have both Volquez and Kuo on multiple teams. I was hoping for a close, low run game. Also have Shields on those same teams. Would have been survivable had Proctor not served up the meatball.
    2008-04-22 18:45:32
    290.   Hallux Valgus
    284 was 274? I know I used the visual for 281, but I don't remember 274.

    Crap, now I'm stealing and not even knowing it. This must be what Dane Cook feels like.

    2008-04-22 18:46:17
    291.   Gen3Blue
    Yeahhh, Nomar.
    2008-04-22 18:46:26
    292.   Andrew Shimmin
    290- No one who speaks German could be an evil man!
    2008-04-22 18:47:07
    293.   trainwreck
    290
    Oh, he knows.
    2008-04-22 18:47:26
    294.   natepurcell
    best case scenario:

    -Team sucks til ASB
    -McCourt cans Colletti. Anoints White as GM
    -White calls up Clayton
    -Dodgers have a natural progression to the mean in the second half and win wild card
    -White gets 10 year contract
    -Justin Upton demands a trade to the Dodgers.

    2008-04-22 18:47:34
    295.   Frip
    If Nomar doesn't get a hit, he should just sit for the rest of the year.
    2008-04-22 18:48:03
    296.   Gen3Blue
    Don't worry we have Kent. And this is a hard ballpark to be a pitcher in.
    2008-04-22 18:48:04
    297.   Lexinthedena
    I'm very self conscious when it comes to criticizing umps. What to do...what to do....
    2008-04-22 18:48:21
    298.   Bob Timmermann
    I guess the reports of C.C. Sabathia's demise were premature.
    2008-04-22 18:49:00
    299.   Frip
    Nomar walks with his pelvis, kinda wierd.
    2008-04-22 18:49:15
    300.   Ken Noe
    I'm okay with Nomar becoming Sweeney when LaRoche gets back.
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    2008-04-22 18:49:56
    301.   StolenMonkey86
    humorous distraction:

    A's Mum on Interest in Big Hurt, and so is the reporter

    http://tinyurl.com/4ttvxj

    2008-04-22 18:50:16
    302.   Bob Hendley
    288 - What's the word on the Reds pen?
    2008-04-22 18:50:19
    303.   Ken Noe
    265 Perhaps they all have "the face."
    2008-04-22 18:50:38
    304.   Gen3Blue
    yeeeaaahhh Jeff.

    Yeaaahh Giants.

    2008-04-22 18:50:56
    305.   D4P
    I'm okay with Nomar becoming Sweeney when LaRoche gets back

    It's more likely that LaRoche will become Betemit.

    2008-04-22 18:51:00
    306.   JoeyP
    294--Would you trade both Kershaw/Kemp for Justin Upton? Do you think the D-bax would? Not that either would ever happen, but it'd be interesting to see how you value those players.
    2008-04-22 18:51:36
    307.   StolenMonkey86
    305 - So which middle reliever will we trade LaRoche for?
    2008-04-22 18:52:37
    308.   Lexinthedena
    That's it...like Jack Clark before them, Kent and Ned are secret agents on sabotage missions.
    2008-04-22 18:52:39
    309.   Bob Timmermann
    Houston goes back in front of the Padres and Peavy 4-3 on a 2-run homer by Pence.
    2008-04-22 18:52:45
    310.   D4P
    So which middle reliever will we trade LaRoche for?

    Only The Shadow knows...by which I mean Ned.

    2008-04-22 18:54:03
    311.   PDH5204
    And now we bring in Broxton...
    2008-04-22 18:54:13
    312.   natepurcell
    306

    Will Upton agree to a Longoria type contract?

    2008-04-22 18:54:43
    313.   natepurcell
    So which middle reliever will we trade LaRoche for?

    Joba Chamberlain.

    2008-04-22 18:54:46
    314.   Lexinthedena
    306 I just watched Kershaw's famous inning again....Out of this world.....I don't know if I trade him for anyone. Upton is amazing, but Kemp isn't that far off, and Kershaw might be 'that' guy....
    2008-04-22 18:54:51
    315.   D4P
    BTW: does anyone know where the Dodgers rank in "hold opportunities"...?
    2008-04-22 18:56:02
    316.   Andrew Shimmin
    I agree with everything regfairfield says, here:

    http://www.truebluela.com/2008/4/22/447484/support-ned

    But I voted for Colletti anyway. And it felt good.

    2008-04-22 18:56:55
    317.   trainwreck
    314
    I think Kemp is far off from Upton.
    2008-04-22 18:57:21
    318.   Jacob Burch
    290 I believe it was in "when flanders failed." season 2-4ish.

    those germans have a word for everything!

    2008-04-22 18:57:27
    319.   Frip
    All Joe's look says is "Why can't I be smarter"
    2008-04-22 18:58:09
    320.   fanerman
    I voted for J.P. I mean come on, his initials are J.P.!!!
    2008-04-22 18:58:39
    321.   Bob Timmermann
    Orlando should beat Toronto because of Lawler's Law.
    2008-04-22 18:59:29
    322.   bhsportsguy
    306 I don't think Boras will sign any extensions but Upton won't be eligible for arbitration until after 2010 season. If they just sign him for the minimum, they could get All-Star performance for less than 2 million dollars.

    Upton will be like A-Rod where his first FA year will be just as he hits his prime years, you know Boras will point at A-Rod's deals though defensively a RF is less valuable than a SS.

    D-Back fans can feel at ease for now but come 2010, they better hope Boras is no longer his agent.

    2008-04-22 19:00:28
    323.   bhsportsguy
    315 They have 3 and no blown saves for middle relievers so my hunch is that rate near the bottom there too.
    2008-04-22 19:00:30
    324.   Lexinthedena
    317 based on what?
    2008-04-22 19:00:42
    325.   Hallux Valgus
    318 nah, he was referencing the Sideshow Bob/ Cape Fear episode. "Die Bart, Die"

    Which is definitely a stretch. I feel okay about my joke now. Heck, after 20 years, pretty much every joke can be stretched into a Simpsons joke.

    2008-04-22 19:01:57
    326.   natepurcell
    Wow I did not know Boras is Upton's agent.

    Sorry Dbacks, you will only enjoy him until he is 26.

    2008-04-22 19:02:36
    327.   natepurcell
    324

    plate discipline and in game power.

    2008-04-22 19:02:38
    328.   Hallux Valgus
    316 I voted for JP. The Thomas move was inexcusable. A week ago, I might have voted differently.
    2008-04-22 19:03:23
    329.   bhsportsguy
    326 Also he doesn't need the money thanks to his signing bonus.

    The deal includes a $6.1 million signing bonus payable over five years, the largest-ever sum for a drafted player on a minor-league contract.

    He gets $400,000 of the signing bonus upon approval of the contract, $400,000 at the end of the year, $1 million each in 2007 and 2008, $1.3 million in 2009 and $2 million in 2010, according to the Associated Press.

    2008-04-22 19:03:23
    330.   natepurcell
    I am also getting annoyed at how freakishly good Scherzer is doing in AAA. Its basically like Lincecum good last year.
    2008-04-22 19:03:34
    331.   fanerman
    325 Nah Jacob Burch is right. There was the conversation between Lisa and Homer about schadenfreude, when Homer was laughing at Flanders' failure (the Leftorium closing down, I think). Then Homer said, "Those Germans have a word for everything."
    2008-04-22 19:04:24
    332.   natepurcell
    Will the Upton brothers go down as the best pair of brothers to play in the Majors?

    Both are going to be superstars.

    2008-04-22 19:04:51
    333.   Lexinthedena
    327 but Kemp is FAR from Upton?
    2008-04-22 19:05:43
    334.   bhsportsguy
    329 Notice the bonus covers his pre-arbitration years. Scott Boras knows what he is doing.
    2008-04-22 19:06:20
    335.   natepurcell
    333

    what is considered "far?"

    2008-04-22 19:06:29
    336.   Hallux Valgus
    331 oh dang it. I still didn't get it from that show. I like that word because I've heard it pronounced a hundred different ways by people who think it makes them sound smart (note- it does not. Especially not after this).
    2008-04-22 19:06:38
    337.   Bob Timmermann
    332
    The best brother combination was the Gwynns!

    Or possibly the Ripkens. If the Dodgers had ever signed a Ripken, it would have been Billy.

    2008-04-22 19:07:03
    338.   natepurcell
    reports out of Minny has the Jaren Allen deal as basically done.

    Exciting!

    2008-04-22 19:07:37
    339.   Lexinthedena
    335 I said thatKemp isn't far from Upton...Trainwreck said he is. So I guess it's up to you.
    2008-04-22 19:07:41
    340.   trainwreck
    324
    Almost everything. Kemp may have him in defense and speed.
    2008-04-22 19:08:10
    341.   bhsportsguy
    332 Depends, Upton is good but is he Joe Dimaggio good. Dom Dimaggio was a very good CF and a good hitter.

    That's an HOF and an All-Star. And I am excluding Vince.

    2008-04-22 19:08:43
    342.   Hallux Valgus
    the best brother combination was the Martinez brothers. Pedro, Ramon, and the unforgettable Jesus.
    2008-04-22 19:08:47
    343.   nofatmike
    337 Fear not, we have a LaRoche!
    2008-04-22 19:08:52
    344.   natepurcell
    okay...first pitch to kemp...def not a strike.

    protest Joe, protest.

    2008-04-22 19:10:44
    345.   Gen3Blue
    That first pitch to Kemp was not a strike. Little things like this should pile up later in the season.
    2008-04-22 19:11:05
    346.   natepurcell
    Hopefully that line drive gets Loney back on track. Big, big slump after that hot start.
    2008-04-22 19:11:06
    347.   Zak
    345 Or even out.
    2008-04-22 19:11:24
    348.   LAT
    Best Brothers: Joe and Dom
    2008-04-22 19:12:09
    349.   Gen3Blue
    this has been injustice.

    But I will ease a bigger injustice by feeding the cats fromupstairs.

    2008-04-22 19:12:28
    350.   Hallux Valgus
    but for serious- Dizzy and Daffy, anyone? I loved reading about the Gashouse Gang when I was a kid.
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    2008-04-22 19:12:56
    351.   natepurcell
    345

    Its probably the homer in me talking but Kemp gets so many of those outside pitches that are 3-5 inches off the plate called strikes on him. Normally I don't care, but for a player like Kemp who is actively working on his plate discipline skills, it might motivate him to ditch the effort and just swing at those pitches if the umps keep calling them strikes.

    which in turn, won't let him realize his potential and eventually cause the Bison to become... extinct.

    /end homer rant.

    2008-04-22 19:13:20
    352.   Bob Timmermann
    Paul Dean had just one good year. Dizzy Dean's career wasn't all that long either, but he was certainly famous.
    2008-04-22 19:13:53
    353.   fanerman
    351 homer rant? Never!
    2008-04-22 19:14:14
    354.   natepurcell
    Which players will be available this year for whom we can trade Meloan for.
    2008-04-22 19:16:30
    355.   Jacob Burch
    331 H: What's the opposite of that shameful joy thing of yours?
    L: [nastily] Sour grapes.
    H: Boy, those Germans have a word for everything!
    2008-04-22 19:16:49
    356.   Hallux Valgus
    352 I was going to check the numbers, but I loved the stories I use to read about them so much, I just knew I would be disappointed. Now I don't have to check the numbers, and I can keep my childhood whimsy.
    2008-04-22 19:18:48
    357.   bhsportsguy
    Best Brothers (And no, the Aarons are not on this list)

    1. Dimaggios
    2. Waners
    3. Bretts
    4. Alous
    5. Ripkens

    Pitchers

    1. Perrys
    2. Niekros

    2008-04-22 19:19:52
    358.   fanerman
    Loney steals a base successfully! And there was much rejoicing.
    2008-04-22 19:19:57
    359.   bhsportsguy
    357 The old wives tale on Lloyd Waner getting elected to the HOF is that the Veterans' Committee that they were voting for Paul.
    2008-04-22 19:20:12
    360.   KG16
    357 - I think you have to include the Martinezs on the list of pitchers

    Otherwise, can't argue too much.

    2008-04-22 19:21:40
    361.   Hallux Valgus
    360 Thank you! Jesus is very grateful.
    2008-04-22 19:22:06
    362.   fanerman
    The Alomars aren't good enough?
    2008-04-22 19:22:31
    363.   LogikReader
    Flyers win after some free hockey, 3-2 in OT, to take the series.

    Boy the Philly Flyers sure have a knack for winning overtime games on the road!

    example: http://tinyurl.com/5nxrj6

    2008-04-22 19:22:46
    364.   LAT
    Aaron, as in Hank, had a brother? (I hope you didn't mean Aaron as in Boone)
    2008-04-22 19:23:33
    365.   Dodgers49
    If only Juan Pierre played football:

    >> The Seattle Seahawks released former MVP Shaun Alexander, just 26 months after he signed a $62 million contract as the franchise's cornerstone. <<

    http://tinyurl.com/3kk5p7

    2008-04-22 19:25:18
    366.   Hallux Valgus
    I want to see how long a list it would take before you got to the Giambis, or the Cansecos.

    Or the Hairstons.

    2008-04-22 19:27:07
    367.   CanuckDodger
    354 -- Why the eagerness to dump Meloan? He's not doing a hell of a lot worse than Scherzer at the same level and at the same age. If there isn't room in the rotation for Meloan, let him have Proctor's job.
    2008-04-22 19:27:32
    368.   bhsportsguy
    364 It was Henry and Tommie Aaron. Combined they have most HRs by any set of brothers, 768 (755+13)

    http://tinyurl.com/5qgnuc

    2008-04-22 19:27:32
    369.   LAT
    The Molina brothers should count just because there are so damn many of them.
    2008-04-22 19:30:43
    370.   natepurcell
    367

    Because like Scherzer, I think their elbows are going to explode and require a trip to Dr. Jobe.

    2008-04-22 19:30:53
    371.   LAT
    Tommie's really pulling his weight there.

    Can there be any dispute that Bobby and Barry are the best father-son combo to ever play. Only other one I can think of is the Alous. But just wait until Preston gets here. He and Don will knock the Bonds off that pedestal.

    2008-04-22 19:31:47
    372.   LAT
    Oh yeah, those Griffey guys too.
    2008-04-22 19:31:50
    373.   natepurcell
    To clarify, I'm not looking to dump him Danys Baez style, has to be a solid return.
    2008-04-22 19:32:54
    374.   natepurcell
    371

    I hope you don't have some place to be while you wait because you might be waiting a while.

    2008-04-22 19:35:42
    375.   bhsportsguy
    371 What about Gus, Buddy and David Bell. Or Ray, Bob, and Aaron and Bret Boone. Yogi and Dale Berra? Pete and Pete Rose Jr.?

    Cecil and Prince Fielder (oh wait, Prince has no father according to him). Leron and Derrick Lee.

    Actually a more fan friendly version would be Ken and Jr. Griffey.

    2008-04-22 19:38:18
    376.   bhsportsguy
    373 I think those types of deals are done in the off-season now.
    2008-04-22 19:42:24
    377.   twerp
    Wonder if Ned's PVL attraction/possible panic will have the Dodgers going after the Big Hurt?

    Makes no sense, doesn't fit the Dodgers' apparent strategy of playing the young guys, offers no answer to where he'd play in the field. And Thomas doesn't seem to be near what he was.

    In other words, an ideal move for Ned.

    Wonder if it's crossed Ned's mind to look up Sammy Sosa?

    Bite my tongue--twice.

    2008-04-22 19:42:45
    378.   Bob Timmermann
    Leron Lee is Derrick Lee's uncle.
    2008-04-22 19:46:19
    379.   natepurcell
    NFL Network reports that Jared Allen is a VIking.

    OMGz best D-line EVARRRzzzz

    2008-04-22 19:48:35
    380.   KG16
    377 - just in the off chance that Ned reads this, let's stop giving him ideas, ok?
    2008-04-22 19:48:41
    381.   Hallux Valgus
    379 Thank God he's out of the AFC West.
    2008-04-22 19:52:56
    382.   natepurcell
    He is going to eat Jon Kitna, Aaron Rodgers and Rex Grossman. EAT THEM!
    2008-04-22 19:53:23
    383.   NorCal-Dodger
    378 Best Uncle/Nephew combo
    2008-04-22 19:53:33
    384.   trainwreck
    381
    Come on, Chris Long!
    2008-04-22 19:54:21
    385.   dzzrtRatt
    377 If Ned passed on Bonds and Piazza, why would he sign Thomas?

    Why would any GM? Thomas won't have a job until Piazza and Bonds do, and that will only happen if a team like the Red Sox gets decimated by injuries.

    2008-04-22 19:55:22
    386.   twerp
    A promising start for Eric Hull with Pawtucket--

    1-0 , ERA 0.00, 5.2 IP, 5H, 0 BB, 7K, WHIP 0.88. One hold, 2 GF.

    Small sample, etc. But too bad the Dodgers didn't think he deserved more of a chance despite putting up pretty good numbers in Las Vegas' launching pad.

    2008-04-22 19:55:24
    387.   trainwreck
    385
    The A's may sign him, because he is better than Piazza and it won't be such a circus to have him like Bonds.
    2008-04-22 19:55:59
    388.   jujibee
    Does anyone else think that this Pierre thing that keeps dragging on is hurting the team. It seems to me that the other outfielders are having to watch their backs and can't just let things happen because they can't relax. I hate to beat a dead horse, but this situation is, in my opinion, hurting the whole flow of the concept "team".
    2008-04-22 19:58:04
    389.   Lexinthedena
    382 Who plays QB for the Vikes?
    2008-04-22 19:58:33
    390.   Bob Timmermann
    One batter has to reach base for the Padres in ninth for there to be another red alert.

    But no alert now.

    2008-04-22 19:58:49
    391.   trainwreck
    389
    Tavaris Jackson.
    2008-04-22 19:59:03
    392.   Bob Timmermann
    Actually, two people have to reach to get to Adrian Gonzalez.
    2008-04-22 19:59:16
    393.   Hallux Valgus
    384 Not from what I'm reading. Maybe Gholston, and I don't like the look of Gholston/ Burgess against Kuper/ Pears one tiny bit. that's the look of Denver's starting tackles right now. Pathetic.
    2008-04-22 19:59:35
    394.   Terry A
    The other outfielders need to form an alliance.
    2008-04-22 20:00:52
    395.   Lexinthedena
    391 I meant it in the snark sense:)
    2008-04-22 20:01:03
    396.   trainwreck
    393
    Yeah, well you can just run the ball on every play and we won't be able to stop it.
    2008-04-22 20:03:20
    397.   Gagne55
    383 Bobby Bonds and Reggie Jackson.
    2008-04-22 20:05:24
    398.   alex 7
    Don't think there's a chance they land Dorsey if he's passed up at the #3 spot?

    Or trade down with the Jets and still get Ellis? Chris Long doesn't excite me too much. Solid vs. the run, will make some hustle plays, but does he have the burst to rush the passer against LTs as a 4-3 DE?

    2008-04-22 20:05:34
    399.   twerp
    385 When Ned passed on Piazza and Bonds the Dodgers hadn't had this bad start. So he probably didn't feel a need to do anything. Let's hope he resists any urge to "fix" things now with PVL.

    I don't really think he'll do anything as dumb as signing Thomas. Kind of a DT reverse psychology...mention it and maybe he won't make that or other PVL moves. But there is precedent for mind-numbingly dumb ones.

    2008-04-22 20:05:51
    400.   natepurcell
    395

    He was 10x better in the second half. Essentially in # of games played, he was still in his first year last year. I think he will be good enough with all the other talent on the team.

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    2008-04-22 20:06:08
    401.   Hallux Valgus
    396 I appreciate the sentiment, but we won't run anything behind Kuper/ Pears/ Holland. That's 3/5 of a terrible line. And the other 2 are coming off injuries. Right now, I'm Ryan Clady or bust on the 12 pick.
    2008-04-22 20:07:05
    402.   dzzrtRatt
    388 Actually, I think Torre is handling the situation a lot better than Grady did. I think all four of them trust Torre to give them enough time on the field to show their stuff and make whatever impact they can. He hasn't sat anyone specifically as a punishment for a bad game. Just the reverse. So I don't think they're watching their backs at all.

    They're all in different situations, and he seems to have figured out what they each need:

    Ethier: a chance to play everyday, which by all rights he has earned.
    Kemp: a chance to mature without feeling like he's got to carry the offense
    Jones: a chance to shake off whatever nerves are preventing him from getting comfortable. There's only so much Torre can do, but he hasn't made it worse.
    Pierre: a chance to show he belongs in the lineup, either here or somewhere else.

    Given how crummy the Dodgers are playing now, it seems that Torre's got them on an even keel, and capable of playing a game like last night's. This doesn't feel like a death spiral.

    2008-04-22 20:08:25
    403.   Lexinthedena
    400 He was better, but I have my doubts. If the game is on the line, I'm worried. I love Sid Rice though.
    2008-04-22 20:09:27
    404.   natepurcell
    403

    Sidney Rice was def the better pick over Dwayne Jarrett. I'm glad they did okay there.

    oh and that #28 isn't half bad.

    2008-04-22 20:11:01
    405.   Lexinthedena
    404 A Frankenstien creation made from Bo Jackson and Erick Dickerson.
    2008-04-22 20:18:36
    406.   trainwreck
    398
    From what I understand, Rams and Falcons both want Dorsey, so we will never get him.
    2008-04-22 20:24:55
    407.   alex 7
    I'm thinking Davis trades next year's 1st to jump back into the mid-1st round this year. So now you have to choose between a combination of Long and Mendenhall/F. Jones, or McFadden and Rivers/Sweed/Cherilus.
    2008-04-22 20:25:45
    408.   heato
    Phoenix has only scored two second half points nearly 9 minutes into the 3rd quarter. They've been outscored 17-2.
    2008-04-22 20:26:53
    409.   Johnny Nucleo
    402 Well said.
    2008-04-22 20:27:15
    410.   trainwreck
    407
    We do not need another RB. Rivers would be only player that would interest me in jumping back to first to get.
    2008-04-22 20:35:54
    411.   alex 7
    I don't think Davis sees McFadden as "another" RB. And if you're counting on Fargas staying healthy, and M. Bush being back to his old self...well there's at least reason to consider upgrading that spot.

    No rushes over 40 yards last year. Fargas got fat against Denver, KC, and Miami (3 of the worst 5 run defenses). Fargas never had more than 3 catches a game and lacks consistent hands, a plus in McFadden's resume.

    2008-04-22 20:40:22
    412.   trainwreck
    411
    The way the zone blocking system works, you can plug in practically any running back and they will succeed. No need to waste a pick on a position we do not need. Even Rhodes went off in the two games he started.
    2008-04-22 20:40:40
    413.   alex 7
    struggled to run against GB, Chicago, Minnesota, and Indy. Just saying Davis will certainly take a long look at upgrading that. I think McFadden fits the zone-blocking scheme perfectly. 1,400 yard guy, durable, pass-catching threat, buzz.

    Just think he would impact the game more than Long if Long has to play in a 4-3.

    2008-04-22 20:43:05
    414.   trainwreck
    We upgrade the D and we win with defense and a slow by effective running game. That is what it will take for us to win, especially with Jamarcus in his first year as starter.
    2008-04-22 20:45:10
    415.   trainwreck
    Our d-line is trash and the lines are how you build a football team. We have to upgrade either DE or DT this off-season.
    2008-04-22 20:49:10
    416.   alex 7
    Rhodes did well, as did Fargas, just think there is a difference between a guy that can get you 25-100 against some defenses, and a guy that can break out 25-130 enough times, with pass catching involved, and that momentum changing big run.

    Look at Denver's rushing attack with guys like Portis and T. Davis, to guys like Reuben Droughns and Travis Henry. Yeah, the 1,100 yards still show up at the end, but the effectiveness is not the same.

    Come on, it's Al Davis :)

    Is the upgrade from Richardson/Edwards to Long that big? Or who's your pick.

    2008-04-22 20:51:55
    417.   alex 7
    I would be happy with Ellis, McFadden, or a trade down.

    Solid one-dimensional run-plugging DTs can be found in the 4th round, or discarded by other teams in the summer. Guys like Grady Jackson, Sam Adams, John Parrella back in the day...those guys seem available often enough.

    2008-04-22 20:52:02
    418.   trainwreck
    416
    I want Dorsey the most, but he won't be there. Chris Long is a total upgrade over Richardson and Edwards. Richardson can't rush the passer and Edwards has been a complete bust in the league.

    McFadden goes dead on contact when you hit him low. He has to be in open space, much like Reggie Bush. I am not sure those types of players are worth that high a pick.

    Someone else needs to start posting for Raider Thoughts to end.

    2008-04-22 20:56:32
    419.   Bluebleeder87
    happy earth day all
    2008-04-22 21:00:23
    420.   alex 7
    awww, not the dead on contact thing. Justin Fargas leads the league in taking de-cleater shots, yet he can run for 1,000. You're telling me a guy who's stronger, faster, catches the ball better, cuts hard, and blew up the SEC three years in a row can't put up 1,700 total yards?

    And I still don't see Long as a legit pass-rushing threat in a 4-3 defense.

    2008-04-22 21:00:54
    421.   Marty
    All this talk about brother combinations and I don't think anyone mentioned Dizzy and Daffy Dean.
    2008-04-22 21:02:56
    422.   trainwreck
    420
    Fargas is clearly stronger, just look at their combine numbers. McFadden is not even that much faster. McFadden's legs are skinny as heck. That is why he falls when he gets hit low.
    2008-04-22 21:03:25
    423.   KG16
    there's a certain symmetry to having Howie Long's son in silver and black; though this being Al Davis, you have to worry that he'll take a wide receiver with speed way earlier than he should.

    Not that I care all that much, Raiders aren't my team.

    I didn't watch that much NFL or college last year to be able to say much about the draft.

    2008-04-22 21:05:04
    424.   alex 7
    hmm, that Reds lineup impressed me a bit today.

    Lack of homeruns from Kemp, and corner IF positions have sputtered the offense.

    Kershaw by late May?

    2008-04-22 21:07:25
    425.   LAT
    I would love it if the Dodgers signed Barry Bonds. In fact, I think there is a Bud conspiracy to keep him out of baseball. He is still too good, too productive and too willing to play not to be on a team. He could clearly be had for an incentive laden contract yet no one goes near him. Its not the perjury charge that is keeping 30 teams away. Any number of teams could use him yet none of them call. The only answer I can come up with is Bud.

    BTW, as I have said before here, I believe Barry will beat the charges. I have read part of the grand jury examination and less objectionable questions from first year law students.

    2008-04-22 21:07:34
    426.   alex 7
    McFadden is much faster on the football field due to something, be it vision or cutting ability. Fargas was unimpressive at Michigan and USC facing less stellar defenses than LSU, Alabama, Florida, Tennessee, etc.

    Fargas also has skinny legs and rarely breaks tackles. Just saying I dont see how McFadden isn't seen as a pretty good upgrade, especially considering health history and hands.

    2008-04-22 21:08:26
    427.   dzzrtRatt
    Can we get American Revolution thoughts back? This NFL Draft Thoughts is the pits. Sorry. I'm not even sure what teams you guys are talking about when you use first person plural pronouns, or if you're all talking about different teams. I'm supposed to be excited by the Vikings? The Vikings who repeatedly ruined the Rams' seasons in my youth? And the Raiders? Jesus, this is an LA site, isn't it? The Raiders committed an evil act to the populace of this city. I hope every player the Raiders draft decides to celebrate their new-found pro football riches by stopping all conditioning and dedicating themselves to eating Hostess Ding-Dongs three meals a day.
    2008-04-22 21:11:32
    428.   Bluebleeder87
    419 there's a really cool KROQ earth song but I can't remember it right now
    2008-04-22 21:11:48
    429.   trainwreck
    427
    There's a good chance if football returns to LA it will be Raiders or Chargers.
    2008-04-22 21:12:42
    430.   KG16
    424 - home runs are over rated. The inability to get a hit with runners on base (.224 BA w/men on, .311 BA w/no men on - 4 homeruns with runners on, 11 solo shots) is what's killing the team.
    2008-04-22 21:16:38
    431.   KG16
    425 - Bonds has no knees, makes it hard to play defense. I think a lot of teams don't want to take the PR hit, either. Plus, there's a bit of a youth movement through out baseball right now. On a certain level, it's kind of sad, Bonds is probably the best ballplayer in a couple of generations, but he burned too many bridges.

    429 - I suspect if football returns to the area it will be in the form of the San Diego Chargers of Anaheim.

    2008-04-22 21:19:38
    432.   alex 7
    right now if we get down 3 runs I just feel like we need 5 or 6 hits in one inning just to have a shot. Nothing scientific there, I know, just a sense that we may not have a guy hit 25 HRs this year. Would love to have that threat in close games.
    2008-04-22 21:21:21
    433.   Bob Timmermann
    Nate's love of the Minnesota Vikings is deeply disturbing to me. Extremely disturbing. It's almost enough to get him on a list.
    2008-04-22 21:22:35
    434.   KG16
    432 - most teams are going to need to string together 5 or 6 hits to dig out of a 3 run deficit.

    I'm a big believer in not waiting around for the home run, I'd rather just put the ball in play and see what happens.

    2008-04-22 21:25:16
    435.   KG16
    Trading for Shaq is not working out as well for Phoenix as it did for Miami.
    2008-04-22 21:25:19
    436.   natepurcell
    433

    I have an affinity for teams that continually let down their fan base.

    2008-04-22 21:30:12
    437.   alex 7
    umm, it's not a one or the other thing. What does it even mean to "wait" for the 3-run homerun? It's not as if batters aren't trying to hit the ball hard while they wait for that HR.

    Those guys that do put the ball in play? I would just rather we show that we have one or two that can hit it over the wall more than 25 times this year.

    2008-04-22 21:30:28
    438.   Bob Timmermann
    The Minnesota Vikings had Fran Tarkenton play for them.

    Just thinking of that man creates a sense of revulsion I usually reserve for genocidal maniacs.

    2008-04-22 21:34:29
    439.   alex 7
    maybe it's just me, but it just feels like HRs suck some serious juice out of a team.

    "Take that, below average pitcher".

    Those Mark Reynolds HRs in AZ made me feel the Dodgers were very inferior. Again, maybe it's just me, but I wonder what effect those bombs have on a team's psyche during a game or even long-term if the HRs are strung together over an important series.

    2008-04-22 21:34:54
    440.   KG16
    437 - there is a difference between a home run swing (usually long) and a non-home run swing (shortened up). Waiting around for the home run means you don't bother shortening up your swing in situations where you should (usually with two strikes or in close games with a runner in scoring position).
    2008-04-22 21:34:57
    441.   Greg Brock
    427 American War for Independence.

    The American War for Independence was not a revolution. Please do not refer to it as such.

    Thanks ;-)

    2008-04-22 21:36:02
    442.   underdog
    I have to hand it to him. Tony Jackson's aside/comment about Juan Castro made me chuckle out loud. So, kudos to you, Tony! Even unintentional, I needed the laugh. Hopefully, that really is nothing more than a joke. And not in the cosmic sense.

    Speaking of the NFL draft, should I represent the Broncos or has Hallux already done that? My hope is that they get Ryan Clady, but now it sounds like he may be gone before they pick at 12. In which case Williams of Vandy (who has blocked for Cutler before). They need another OT desperately. I would also be happy about USC's LB Rivers. Some of the other guys they're interested in sound like reaches at 12 so they could also draft down for more picks.

    I think the Raiders should go with the best guy available and if that's not one of the Longs, then it should be Dorsey or Gholston. If they want an RB, then McFadden, but something about him scares me off.

    2008-04-22 21:37:18
    443.   underdog
    Oops, would help if I read 401 and before it. ;-) What Hallux + underdog said.
    2008-04-22 21:38:24
    444.   Bob Timmermann
    441
    And what does Greg Brock call the unpleasantness from April 1861 through April 1865.

    The War for Southern Awesomeness?

    2008-04-22 21:38:28
    445.   alex 7
    Would be nice if Torre notices the lack of save opportunities and starts using Broxton and Saito in more meaningful moments.

    However, I think Torre just wants to ride this out and believes the winning will come.

    Guessing we are better than our record shows, but it would probably help that record if we used those guys in more important situations.

    2008-04-22 21:39:49
    446.   trainwreck
    Hallux, do you follow hockey?

    If so, our teams will be battling again. Sharks vs the Avalanche.

    2008-04-22 21:40:17
    447.   Greg Brock
    444 Nothing about the South is awesome. I've lived there.

    Okay, I'll give you fried foods. The war of fried food supremacy, perhaps?

    2008-04-22 21:41:56
    448.   alex 7
    If Dallas offers the Raiders their two 1's (and possibly Bobby Carpenter), I would think Felix Jones and a DT, DE, or OT at the bottom of round 1 would help the Raiders more than Chris Long would.

    Denver taking Rivers would be a great fit, and not a happy thought to Oakland fans.

    2008-04-22 21:42:16
    449.   neuroboy002
    435 Shaq really kills his own team at the free throw line. It's painful. Steve Nash deserves better. Hopefully the Suns will be able to make it into a series when they head back to Phoenix.

    When he was traded, Shaq told his team to not worry about fitting him into their game, that he will be the who adjusts. It's not looking that way.

    2008-04-22 21:43:22
    450.   alex 7
    Has there ever been any type of evidence that shortening one's swing leads to more hits than having that hitter use the normal swing that got them to the MLB level?

    I could see how a shorter swing might lead to more contact, but as Pierre shows us, that does not lead to better hitting.

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    2008-04-22 21:44:48
    451.   KG16
    449 - I was visiting a female friend in Phoenix shortly after the trade. I was talking to a couple of Suns fans and flat out told them that as a Lakers fan, I loved the trade. Marion was always the guy that killed the Lakers in the playoffs (along with the rest of the conference in the regular season).
    2008-04-22 21:45:24
    452.   underdog
    446 Go Sharks!

    At least something went right today.

    2008-04-22 21:46:16
    453.   KG16
    450 - just like anything else in life, there isn't one "normal" swing. It depends on the situation.

    No, I have no evidence for this, other than 20+ years of watching baseball.

    2008-04-22 21:46:37
    454.   MyTummyHurts
    428

    [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxIIAtV_LSw]

    Dramarama - What are we gonna do

    2008-04-22 21:48:31
    455.   underdog
    This was surely mentioned earlier, but re: Diamond Leung's comment tonight, what's up with the Gnome? Why didn't they use it again tonight? Go with what works boys!
    2008-04-22 21:52:57
    456.   trainwreck
    Nevermind, Sharks have to play Stars.
    2008-04-22 22:05:10
    457.   Greg Brock
    You can be the type of person who looks to the future, or you could look to the past. I'm saying you should look to the past. Look to the party of William Henry Harrison and John Tyler. Look to the party of Henry Clay.

    Vote Whig in '08. Thank you.

    2008-04-22 22:08:14
    458.   das411
    363 = awesome. And the game you link to was even more awesome, even though I fell asleep at the beginning of the 5th overtime.

    Baseball thought: if Pat Burrell keeps this up, will he actually make that All-Star team? And finally make [JD Drew / Beltre / Eric Chavez] the most overpaid player never to make one?

    Movie Thought: When this "King Kong" remake that's on AMC came out in 1976...did people think those special effects were actually realistic?

    If so...what was wrong with those people??

    2008-04-22 22:10:16
    459.   Greg Brock
    458 Jessica Lang never looked so good. And Jeff Bridges in a precursor to his Dudeness (with the long hair and what not).
    2008-04-22 22:12:35
    460.   trainwreck
    459
    That was my first thought when I saw that movie a few years ago. Good grief, Jessica.
    2008-04-22 22:12:57
    461.   Bob Timmermann
    457
    I'm voting Federalist.
    2008-04-22 22:14:56
    462.   Greg Brock
    461 The Federalists are all about the past. The Whigs are about a more recent past.

    Vote for the less old past.

    2008-04-22 22:16:53
    463.   Marty
    I'm voting a straight know-nothing ticket.
    2008-04-22 22:19:36
    464.   ucladodger
    440

    Thats actually not true at all. The difference between a single and a home run isnt the length of the swing, its where you hit the ball. When Matt Kemp hits a bomb its because his swing is short and compact and super quick. Watch any one of Chase Utley's 9 homers this year and you'll see what i mean. For the most part, the team isnt making solid contact day in and day out, and thus, they are extremely inconsistent.

    As for shortening your swing, that really doesnt exist today in the major leagues. Juan Pierre does that but thats because he knows he cant ever strike out. I actually dont like when players do that because it is unnatural and can lead to mechanical problems.

    2008-04-22 22:19:54
    465.   Greg Brock
    463 You and all the other former Whigs.

    Come back into the fold, Marty. We need you!

    2008-04-22 22:24:50
    466.   KG16
    I'm declaring myself with the anti-Federalists. Or maybe Tories. I haven't decided.
    2008-04-22 22:24:51
    467.   KG16
    I'm declaring myself with the anti-Federalists. Or maybe Tories. I haven't decided.
    2008-04-22 22:25:16
    468.   Xeifrank
    Bob, your 2008 Griddler Software is in the mail. vr, Xei
    2008-04-22 22:30:07
    469.   alex 7
    saw Gagne blew another save today. Is he married? Does he have something great to go home to every night? Cant be too much fun being his brain most nights.
    2008-04-22 22:30:45
    470.   underdog
    Funny, I had Brock pegged as a Readjuster Party man. Goes to show you.

    Guess I'm the only Free Soiler here?

    Actually, I feel like everyone on DT should be a Torre Party member.

    2008-04-22 22:41:16
    471.   KingKopitar
    Anti-Masonic Party, represent.

    Lousy Freemasons.

    2008-04-22 23:00:53
    472.   trainwreck
    If we sign Juan Castro, I hope someone makes Tony Jackson's site crash.
    2008-04-22 23:20:39
    473.   nofatmike
    No love for for the Greenbacks? And to think I respected some of you...
    2008-04-22 23:26:18
    474.   dzzrtRatt
    So, Greg Brock, what if the Democratic Party splits? Could Hillary run as a Whig?
    2008-04-22 23:28:23
    475.   Greg Brock
    No love for for the Greenbacks?

    No.

    2008-04-22 23:31:05
    476.   Greg Brock
    474 Oh Ratt, that would violate any number of Philosopher King rules. Needless to say...

    No.

    2008-04-22 23:41:38
    477.   dzzrtRatt
    Funny, I always thought she wore one.
    ---
    Man, I'm worn out from doing nothing but watching the Dodgers and election returns. This ain't living!
    2008-04-23 00:32:04
    478.   Bob Timmermann
    It's been really hard for me to sleep at night ever since Greg Brock crucified me on a cross of gold.
    2008-04-23 05:14:54
    479.   Ken Noe
    What, no Constitutional Unionists?

    My one solace this morning: the Snakes aside, the rest of the NL Worst is as bad as we are. How can this team be a game out of second?

    2008-04-23 05:41:24
    480.   Bluebleeder87
    Just a little bump in the road I really feel the bats will be more consistent in the near future.
    2008-04-23 06:24:21
    481.   Marty
    That's what Ray Milland said.
    2008-04-23 06:39:52
    482.   Penarol1916
    471. I assume that like all prominent members of the anti-masonic party, you are also secretly a free mason. You can't fool us. Also, I've decided to one up Greg's look to the past, but the more recent past message by reforming the Bull Moose party.
    2008-04-23 06:51:20
    483.   Sushirabbit
    Happy #1 Day, or Pee Wee Reese day. I'd be pleasantly surprised if Vin remarks on it.
    2008-04-23 07:15:05
    484.   Andrew Shimmin
    Happy St. George's Day, too!

    And did those feet in ancient time,
    Walk upon England's mountains green:
    And was the holy Lamb of God,
    On England's pleasant pastures seen!
    And did the Countenance Divine,
    Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
    And was Jerusalem builded here,
    Among these dark Satanic Mills?

    Bring me my Bow of burning gold;
    Bring me my Arrows of desire:
    Bring me my Spear: O clouds unfold:
    Bring me my Chariot of fire!
    I will not cease from Mental Fight,
    Nor Shall my sword sleep in my hand:
    Till we have built Jerusalem,
    In England's green & pleasant Land.

    2008-04-23 07:32:11
    485.   Sushirabbit
    484, I always hear that in Greg Lake's voice in my head.
    2008-04-23 07:44:09
    486.   JoeyP
    most teams are going to need to string together 5 or 6 hits to dig out of a 3 run deficit

    And thats really rare to do.

    I'm a big believer in not waiting around for the home run, I'd rather just put the ball in play and see what happens.

    I'd rather just put it over the fence.

    home runs are over rated. The inability to get a hit with runners on base (.224 BA w/men on, .311 BA w/no men on - 4 homeruns with runners on, 11 solo shots)

    Wouldnt it be better to hit more home runs with runners on base? Sure, getting hits is great with men on. But a home run is also considered a "hit". In every AB, regardless of men on base or bases empty--the goal is to make hard contact against strikes, and not swing at the bad pitches.

    2008-04-23 07:51:21
    487.   Jon Weisman
    NPUT
    2008-04-23 08:05:37
    488.   Bluebleeder87
    483 Mr. Reese!

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