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Bad, Bad OPS
2008-05-26 09:35
by Jon Weisman

In May 2006, I wrote somewhat optimistically about Jeff Kent in the wake of the second-worst month of his career - a .554 OPS.

In the past, Kent has usually recovered from bad months. Only in June-July 1994 has he had consecutive months with an OPS below .750.

Following the worst month of his career in April 1995, Kent's OPS jumped to .779 in May, .840 in June and .944 in July. He slumped in August (.654) but then was at .887 in September. Kent was 27 years old that year. ...

I wish I could tell you whether his current slump is due to age, health or just one of those things. (Despite a consistent line-drive percentage, Kent's batting average on balls in play this season is .211, compared to .298 in 2005 and .309 in 2004.) But if it continues past May, that'll be a first for him.

Kent did recover in 2006 - twice in fact. Here are his OPS marks by month that season:

April: .554
May: 1.066
June: .977
July: .601
August: .902
September/October: .933

Kent rebounds like Dennis Rodman (and isn't it about time those two were in the same sentence).

But with a week left in this particular May, Kent is poised to set a new standard for inefficiency. His OPS this month is .425. In 69 plate appearances, he has seven singles, a triple, a homer and five walks.

If there is any reason to think at age 40 he'll make yet another comeback, it would be that he has only struck out eight times this month and his batting average on balls in play is a gruesome .145. So maybe he's had bad luck. It was only last July that Kent OPSed 1.237 (.500 on-base percentage, .737 slugging percentage). My suspicion is that it isn't just a matter of luck anymore - it's that his athleticism and his ability to make solid, impressive, profound contact with a baseball has declined too far. But maybe, somehow, his muscles have one more warm month left in them.

* * *

Here's a list of the worst adjusted OPS seasons in Los Angeles Dodger history (minimum 150 plate appearances). Kent's in the top 50 for now, while Andruw Jones is nestled between Gene Michael and Alfredo Griffin in the top 10. Some other very familiar names dot the list.

No. 1? My goodness, did Maury Wills have a horrific farewell season: 17 for 132 with 10 walks, .129 batting average, .190 on-base percentage, .167 slugging percentage, .357 on-base percentage, OPS+ of 3.

* * *

A daytime start after traversing two time zones for the Dodgers:

Dodgers at Cubs, 11:20 a.m.

All my best to everyone on this Memorial Day, to those who have lost loved ones and to the memories of those lost. It's more than I'll ever be able to grasp.

Comments (565)
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2008-05-26 09:41:59
1.   D4P
Seems pretty clear that Torre's not willing/able to "stand up" to Kent over his PT/spot in the lineup.
2008-05-26 09:45:21
2.   Marty
Even though it sounds weird, I wish everyone a happy Memorial Day.
2008-05-26 09:45:24
3.   tethier
86 from previous thread...

I just saw the lineup on ItD and thought the same thing. Why not throw Tiffee out there if you're going to give Loney a rest? I liked Maza at second yesterday - at short - not so much. Would Kent have had those two popups in short right yesterday?

2008-05-26 09:49:11
4.   old dodger fan
In ST who would have thought Sweeney, Kent, Maza and DeWitt would be our starting infield in a game in May?
2008-05-26 09:50:07
5.   Bob Timmermann
How many people knew the Dodgers had Luis Maza in the organization?
2008-05-26 09:55:24
6.   D4P
How many people knew Planet Earth had Luis Maza in the organization?
2008-05-26 09:56:55
7.   LAT
Kent will not play this poorly the remainer of the season. Remember JDS Uniphase still had a few good runs before it bottomed.
2008-05-26 10:09:17
8.   Jon Weisman
7 - I love that that stock has become our rallying cry.
2008-05-26 10:13:47
9.   Bob Timmermann
The dizzying highs and the terrifying lows.
http://tinyurl.com/659pbx
2008-05-26 10:14:50
10.   Bob Timmermann
Buddy Carlyle was activated from the DL today.
2008-05-26 10:16:58
11.   Bob Timmermann
And Arizona reactivated Chad Tracy today.
2008-05-26 10:17:08
12.   scareduck
7 - True. It's possible for him to get worse.
2008-05-26 10:27:09
13.   Bob Timmermann
2-0 Braves over AZ in the first against Webb.
2008-05-26 10:36:24
14.   JL25and3
BABIP for batters isn't necessarily a matter of luck. Since 2006, Kent's line drive % has gone from 22.9 to 17.5 to 15.4, while his ground ball % has risen from 33.7 to 37.8 to 43.1.

So maybe his low BABIP is a function of his decreasing ability to drive the ball.

2008-05-26 10:46:41
15.   regfairfield
14 It is, but no one should have a BABIP under .200 or so.
2008-05-26 10:50:53
16.   twerp
OT....posted this during the thread about favorite sportswriters, but linked to a googilized version which was a foul ball in a couple ways, including cutting off the very powerful ending.

Have since found the real thing and am relinking it here on Memorial Day since the subject matter ties in somewhat with that--even though it was written about Christmastime, 1945.

In my original post on this I said probably not too many DT readers had seen it. Also, it's a serious debunking of the idea that sportswriters can't write other things well. Anyone with a sense of history and appreciation of good writing, which quite a few DTers have, probably will enjoy it.

For those who may have read it the first time--or tried to--this original version is worth a reread because it's actually the whole thing, including the ending, which I think particularly appropriate today.

http://tinyurl.com/5rpjzq

2008-05-26 11:03:38
17.   sporky
Arizona down 5-1 in Atlanta. Mark Reynold made a throwing error on Jair Jurrjen's bunt, and eventually allowed for 2 more runs to score in the second.
2008-05-26 11:06:53
18.   twerp
Someone last thread mentioned Mitch Williams....every time I see his name it reminds me of an item in Sports Illustrated describing how in one relief appearance he walked the bases full, then struck out the side, giving his manager fits.

The item appeared under a heading of "Wild Thing...you make everything groovy."

I think Williams went on to try the pro bowlers tour after baseball, where he wasn't totally embarrassed but also didn't win much money, IIRC.

2008-05-26 11:08:14
19.   JoeyP
Courtesy of the Dodgers' future 1st basemen--Mark Teixeira. 2-2, with 4 RBIs.

James Loney's season to date:
.276/.332/.438
And some really bad defense.

2008-05-26 11:09:40
20.   StolenMonkey86
THT's PrOPS says Kent should be hitting .269/.312/.415 based on his batted ball types. I think Kent will rebound a bit, although his walk rate dropping this year does seem to stick out.
2008-05-26 11:16:54
21.   LA Native
Anyone care to share their favorite announcers in LA Dodger history. I think the first choice is unanimous for everyone, but I'd be interested to hear the other choices. Here is my list (I'll only give play by play announcers):

1. Vin Scully
2. Don Drysdale
3. Jerry Doggett
4. Charley Steiner
5. Rick Monday
6. Ross Porter

No need to say more on Vin. He is slowing down some, but still the best even in his 80s. I thought Drysdale was underrated as an announcer. He added a spark and obviously knew a great deal about the game as a former player that none of the previous announcers had. I actually like his rarely played call of Gibson's home run even better than Vin's or Jack Buck's who were doing it for national audiences.

Doggett was fairly solid, and had such an easygoing and pleasant style in calling the games. I didn't like the Steiner signing much, but he has grown on me a bit. Monday knows the game as well as anyone, but his monotone broadcasting voice and style just seems to turn me off no matter how much I like the guy.

Ross Porter called the game a little more smoothly and natural than Monday does and was an overall nice guy. Not sure I can ever forgive McCourt for how poorly they treated him in getting rid of him in his 28th season. He was a class guy, but I think he really knew very little about the game despite giving off those horribly inane and meaningless stats every game about the Dodgers being 12-2 in one run games played on astroturf on Saturday games during the year.

2008-05-26 11:18:12
22.   Kevin P
19 I see this a lot. Do most of you think giving up on Loney for Teixeira is the right thing to do? After waiting for Loney to finally be promoted last season, why the quick turn around? His line isn't great right now but it's not horrible. And his defense has looked pretty mediocre at times but take out those throws to second and the pop on the head yesterday and I can't think of many other terribly embarrassing plays...
2008-05-26 11:19:12
23.   regfairfield
Can anyone actually say how many throwing errors Loney has this season?
2008-05-26 11:21:39
24.   Marty
JoeyP has a long-standing disdain for Loney. Most others here like him more.
2008-05-26 11:22:36
25.   LoneStar7
22 actually take away those two plays and your left with a quite a few really good plays..and 19 is this Ned himself speaking?

.262 5 27 .348 .415...why are these numbers worth trading young talent for?

2008-05-26 11:23:30
26.   JoeyP
22-Trading prospects for Teixeira wouldnt have been smart last year.

But signing him as a free agent is absolutely the right move. Over the next 5yrs, the only advantage Loney will have is he's cheaper.

Teixeira will likely be the better player. Loney would be a fine backup though.

2008-05-26 11:23:46
27.   Kevin P
Loney has 5 errors. Tex has 2.
2008-05-26 11:24:54
28.   JoeyP
25--Because Teixeira is much more proven. And there's no need to trade, simply sign as a free agent.
2008-05-26 11:26:13
29.   Greg Brock
22 Addressing no problem with 120 million dollars would be awesome.
2008-05-26 11:26:54
30.   D4P
That kid with the blue mohawk reminds me of Clark Peters from "King of the Hill".
2008-05-26 11:28:23
31.   JoeyP
I've never seen Pierre take 6 pitches in a row.
2008-05-26 11:28:35
32.   scareduck
19 . 22 - James Loney is twenty-four years old. I'm not sure if 19 promotes a deal for Teixeira, but if it does, it would be one of the dumbest ideas I've read here on DT in a great long while.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/loneyja01.shtml

I will admit this much: PECOTA hates him (RR):

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/pecota/loneyja01.php

Most of his comps are on a downhill slide, but that said, PECOTA tends to get lost in the early part of careers when all you have to go on is minor league numbers. Further, I point to the career of one Paul Konerko, whom the Dodgers threw away in his age 22 season for the privilege of watching Jeff Shaw close their games for one good and two mediocre years. What fun that was! (And that's without mentioning Tommy Lasorda's screwup on Shaw's contract!)

http://www.baseball-reference.com/k/konerpa01.shtml

2008-05-26 11:29:30
33.   D4P
If I were a pitcher facing Juan Pierre, I would throw strikes at all costs, even if it meant lobbing it 50 MPH down the middle.
2008-05-26 11:30:50
34.   scareduck
28 - okay, 19 is officially ridiculous.
2008-05-26 11:32:40
35.   Icaros
What a great baserunner.
2008-05-26 11:32:53
36.   Bob Timmermann
Each time Texeira has an Ofer, we will have to make note of it.
2008-05-26 11:33:14
37.   Andrew Shimmin
Haven't gotten anyone caught in a rundown in a good week or two. I was starting to miss it.
2008-05-26 11:33:53
38.   Greg Brock
I can't tell where parody begins and seriousness ends. It's like a mobius strip.
2008-05-26 11:35:21
39.   Icaros
Dodgers baseball and psychedelic drugs go together like root beer and ice cream.
2008-05-26 11:36:52
40.   D4P
Worse leadoff hitter:

Pierre or Soriano?

2008-05-26 11:36:52
41.   D4P
Worse leadoff hitter:

Pierre or Soriano?

2008-05-26 11:37:10
42.   Ken Noe
It's hard for me to blame Pierre--I too would have been shocked that Sweeney made contact.
2008-05-26 11:38:25
43.   D4P
I too would have been shocked that Sweeney made contact

...especially with Kent batting.

2008-05-26 11:38:27
44.   68elcamino427
19
From the BR today.
Mr. T 262/348/415 5 HR's

Five years from now he will be 33 years old.

2008-05-26 11:38:56
45.   Bob Timmermann
Pierre has a higher OBP than Soriano. There is the matter of 11 home runs that Soriano has that could be figured in.
2008-05-26 11:40:16
46.   Andrew Shimmin
Bogut.
2008-05-26 11:41:15
47.   regfairfield
44 It's still early. Just like Loney will probably improve, Teixiera will too.
2008-05-26 11:41:22
48.   Ken Noe
43 So true.
2008-05-26 11:41:23
49.   Greg Brock
Must be nice to miss a ball and hit it out of the yard.

Derek Lee is crazy strong.

2008-05-26 11:43:29
50.   JoeyP
Wind is blowing out today.
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2008-05-26 11:46:08
51.   Rob M
Steve Lyons' defense of Pierre was painful.
2008-05-26 11:46:31
52.   DXMachina
49 - Pity the Cubs traded Hee-Seop Choi to get him. (runs waya)
2008-05-26 11:47:04
53.   Andrew Shimmin
51- Hey, who could have guessed the Cubs would have a second baseman?
2008-05-26 11:47:35
54.   DXMachina
52 - "(runs away)" I can't even escape properly.
2008-05-26 11:47:36
55.   Rob M
"He's not looking at DeRosa (who was about 3 feet behind Theriot directly in Pierre's line of sight), that's a good, aggressive play..."
2008-05-26 11:48:56
56.   Greg Brock
On this Memorial Day, let us not forget the countless virtual soldiers killed by Choi grenades.
2008-05-26 11:49:03
57.   Rob M
That said, I like the fact that Juan seems to be trying to take more pitches. If he morphs into Brett Butler I'll be pleasantly surprised.
2008-05-26 11:49:32
58.   Bob Timmermann
And Hee-Seop Choi begat Guillermo Mota, among others, and Mota begat Hanley Ramirez (among others.)
2008-05-26 11:50:58
59.   jasonungar07
Rob as a leadoff hitter Juan has a OBP of less than .290

He has 9 runs scored in 18 games.

Brett Butler is a long ways away.

2008-05-26 11:50:59
60.   Sam NYC
I know this may be off-topic, but in the process of thinking that Kershaw-Billingsley may be the new Koufax-Drysdale, I decided to look at Drysdale's career stats and ... why is he is Hall of Famer? He only won 15 games seven times in his career and he doesn't have any of the standard numbers for HOFers. His lifetime record isn't even that impressive, only 40 games above .500. If he's a HOFer, isn't Hershiser?
2008-05-26 11:52:12
61.   Andrew Shimmin
Torre's so smart. He saw how good having a second baseman worked out for the Cubs, and he went ahead and copied it.
2008-05-26 11:52:35
62.   regfairfield
59 If Juan Pierre hits like has the whole year, I would have no beef with him if he weren't a corner outfielder.
2008-05-26 11:53:46
63.   Bob Timmermann
60
Drysdale is one of the classic borderline HOFers. He benefited from being on good teams and being popular with members of the BBWAA.
2008-05-26 11:54:24
64.   Greg Brock
The WGN America logo looks like it's from a dystopian uber-dictatorship.
2008-05-26 11:56:02
65.   Johnson
64 In dystopian uber-dictatorship, you do not watch WGN, WGN watches you.
2008-05-26 11:56:05
66.   Marty
64 Watch it buster. That's MY dystopian uber-dictatorship your making fun of.
2008-05-26 11:57:22
67.   jasonungar07
62 Seriously? And if he wasn't in leadoff. Or 2-7 hole. Or 8 hole. Or...

In another Month JP's numbers will be where they have been the last 3 years...

We'll talk then.

Just look at the drop off between him and Furcal..

2008-05-26 11:57:38
68.   Greg Brock
The Cubs have always been at war with the Cardinals.

The Cardinals have always been at war with the Cubs.

2008-05-26 11:57:46
69.   MMSMikey
ugh, get out of the way dumpster c'mon.
2008-05-26 11:57:53
70.   bhsportsguy
60 Bill James went through this in his first Historical Abstract.

Part of the reason is career record was not that great was the lack of run support. But basically James concluded that Drysdale was (1) one of most famous pitchers of his time, (2) He had an impact on a number of pennant races, and (3) helped his teams win.

2008-05-26 11:59:47
71.   Gen3Blue
Thanks for mentioning WGN guys, I remembered I had it in my DTV package.
I'd been sitting here simmering at Gameday and watching the Snakes with the Braves announcers.
2008-05-26 11:59:51
72.   regfairfield
67 That's probably true, but just looking at Pierre's leadoff numbers and ignoring that he's been pretty solid elsewhere in the lineup isn't fair to him.

I also forgot he was slugging .321.

2008-05-26 12:00:24
73.   bhsportsguy
So basically folks are back at being upset at Juan Pierre playing everyday again.

He certainly is going to be playing while Jones is out and he is going to bat leadoff until Furcal comes back.

But everyone knows that but yet they complain.

2008-05-26 12:01:00
74.   Sam NYC
70 - Couldn't you say the same about Hershiser?
2008-05-26 12:01:31
75.   Greg Brock
I can't think of a worse feeling than having a great day camping and rafting, only to find the cooler is full of Busch Light.
2008-05-26 12:01:56
76.   Bob Timmermann
Maza needs a hit today to move into the known #2 slot for longest hitting streak by a Dodger to start his career. Maza is at 5. Dick Gray had a streak at 6. Matt Kemp had a streak of 7.

Other Dodgers with streaks of 5 straight games with hits to start their career:
The black Mike Ramsey
Don LeJohn
Doug Camilli
Don Sutton

There could have been a longer streak earlier.

2008-05-26 12:02:15
77.   JoeyP
73--Its Dodger Mgmt decision that Pierre play everyday.

LaRoche could very easily be called up and play LF.

2008-05-26 12:03:11
78.   Evan Darrow
72 - Sounds about right for the team SLG for the past week or so.

This game is starting to look eerily reminiscent of Lowe's last start: one bad pitch for two runs, Dodgers still lose.

2008-05-26 12:03:24
79.   Rob M
62 If Pierre was a Mazeroski level defensive 2B and not a lefty thrower I could easily live with his offensive production.

Better yet if he could pitch like Kershaw. As a pitcher, he makes a hell of a nice hitter.

2008-05-26 12:03:27
80.   Andrew Shimmin
73- Back? Who left?
2008-05-26 12:05:43
81.   bhsportsguy
80 Well there was a period when Jones was active that people wanted this outfield.

Why is there this insistence that a player who has played nothing but 3B can now play major league level outfield.

2008-05-26 12:06:21
82.   scareduck
Helen's still on her way back from the gym. I hate to disabuse her of the notion that she'll get to hear Vinny call this game.
2008-05-26 12:07:02
83.   imperabo
Drysdale was in top 10 in ERA 9 times, to Hershiser's 5. Drysdale had a 121 career ERA+ to Hershiser's 112. There's a signifcant difference between them, though it looks like Hersh had a better peak.
2008-05-26 12:07:02
84.   sporky
LaRoche is playing 1B again.
2008-05-26 12:07:20
85.   DXMachina
70 - And then in his book about the Hall of Fame (Politics of Glory) James changed his mind and argued that Drysdale didn't belong after all.
2008-05-26 12:08:07
86.   Sam NYC
77 - You can't be serious. Laroche has played 7 games in the outfield in his entire career.
2008-05-26 12:08:10
87.   regfairfield
84 They just want him to have the versatility that Terry Tiffee does.
2008-05-26 12:08:24
88.   JoeyP
Because anyone can play LF in the majors.--see Adam Dunn, Manny Ramirez,etc.
And even they are bad at LF, the amount you gain in having LaRoche's bat in the lineup instead of Pierre makes up for it.

Its also Dodger Mgmt decision that Pierre bat leadoff.

Just because "we know its going to happen" doesnt make the decison any less wrong. And this is a baseball blog that discusses both good and bad that goes on with the Dodgers.

2008-05-26 12:08:33
89.   scareduck
Ethier doubles! Woot!
2008-05-26 12:09:05
90.   68elcamino427
47

Should power producers coming out of the ped generation be subject to careful evaluation?

2008-05-26 12:09:20
91.   Marty
I'm upset that I'd rather see Pierre than Jones. That's a fine kettle of fish.
2008-05-26 12:09:40
92.   scareduck
Dempster has been shockingly effective as a starter this year.
2008-05-26 12:09:44
93.   Bob Timmermann
Todd Hundley would disagree with the notion that anyone can play leftfield.
2008-05-26 12:10:30
94.   regfairfield
90 Did he decide to stop taking them three years after testing started?
2008-05-26 12:10:48
95.   Evan Darrow
Oh hey look, a run-scoring opportunity!
2008-05-26 12:10:57
96.   regfairfield
93 So would James Loney.
2008-05-26 12:11:45
97.   oshea2002
Why is K Cal showing the eastern starting times of other games?
2008-05-26 12:12:20
98.   Bob Timmermann
If DeWitt has earned the nickname of The Solution, I think most people here would dub LaRoche, "The Panacea."

Or possibly "The Nostrum."

2008-05-26 12:12:26
99.   Evan Darrow
So now its up to Kent and Sweeney...

95 - Never mind...

2008-05-26 12:12:46
100.   Greg Brock
Teixeira needs to sign an extension so we can move on.
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2008-05-26 12:12:59
101.   bhsportsguy
I'm not saying Andy LaRoche can't play LF but I'd like to see him do it first before just bringing him up and putting him there.
2008-05-26 12:13:08
102.   D4P
LaRoche has 31 BBs and 8 Ks in LV this season.
2008-05-26 12:14:27
103.   MMSMikey
a leadoff double, cant get him in, good job guys.
2008-05-26 12:14:59
104.   68elcamino427
84

What is the status of the condition of LaRoche's right thumb? Has he regained full strength?
Could this be hampering his ability to throw the ball and to swing the bat?

2008-05-26 12:15:00
105.   scareduck
96 - except Loney was playing right.
2008-05-26 12:15:27
106.   Gen3Blue
Here's exactly the situation you could rest Martin if you had a good back-up. But Torre can't put our guy in whens he's got Kent and Sweeney in the middle of the line-up.
Martin has a right to look a bit tired.
2008-05-26 12:15:36
107.   Evan Darrow
103 - Can't even get him off second.
2008-05-26 12:15:50
108.   MMSMikey
wow, nice cut there mike.
2008-05-26 12:16:02
109.   scareduck
Hm. This looks familiar. Where have I seen this before?
2008-05-26 12:16:05
110.   Bob Timmermann
108
MARK!!!
2008-05-26 12:16:09
111.   oshea2002
wow are we struggling with risp.
2008-05-26 12:16:31
112.   MMSMikey
lol, mark.
2008-05-26 12:16:33
113.   bhsportsguy
106 Except you would have people upset that he is not catching Billingsley.
2008-05-26 12:16:38
114.   imperabo
88 It won't happen because most people overrate sins of commission relative sins of omission. One error that LaRoche commits will carry more weight than 10 homers or walks that Pierre omits. Humans are stupid like that.
2008-05-26 12:16:53
115.   Bob Timmermann
Know your Sweeneys:
http://tinyurl.com/4l4qyw
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