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*$475,000 Chad Billingsley
*$415,000 Clayton Kershaw
*$405,000 Eric Stults
*$400,000 James McDonald
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*$1,300,000 Scott Proctor
*$1,500,000 Jonathan Broxton
*$425,000 Hong-Chih Kuo
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*$410,000 Delwyn Young
*$400,000 Danny Ardoin
*$400,000 Chin-Lung Hu
Total: $11,810,000
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Ballplayers Who Conceal Injuries Are Not Heroes - They Are Egotistical Goats
2008-06-25 18:43
by Jon Weisman

After being told he was going to be optioned, Dodgers reliever Scott Proctor revealed his elbow had been bothering him for "close to a month," according to Manager Joe Torre.

- Diamond Leung

I thought the point was to help the team. How does hiding information that would help a manager make an informed decision about what's best help the team? How does preventing yourself from being at your best help the team?

I understand the instinct. I understand the mentality. Doesn't make it right. And it is so, so tiresome.

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White Sox at Dodgers, 7:10 p.m.

Comments (267)
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2008-06-25 18:47:58
1.   Greg Brock
El Lay Dave thinks he should be beaten. I think that's excessive.

Fined and demoted works for me.

2008-06-25 18:52:12
2.   Icaros
Looks like no game on Extra Innings tonight. This sucks.
2008-06-25 19:01:01
3.   Suffering Bruin
Following two of my favorites here so pressure is on. I need to say something incisive but at the same time entertaining.

I got nothin'.

2008-06-25 19:02:46
4.   Icaros
3

At least you get to watch the game.

2008-06-25 19:04:01
5.   The Trolley Dodger
Goats at least are able to keep your lawn in check. Or your infield. They just were not allowed at Wrigley Field once upon a time.
2008-06-25 19:06:29
6.   Suffering Bruin
No, wait!

Far be it from me to be sympathetic to the devil that is "playing hurt" but ballplayers have been playing hurt for eons and they keep playing through it lest they be accused of being called JD Drew. If my arm was hurting, I'd try to play through it. Tightness? Maybe it'll go away. Oh, it's been there a week? Let's check with the trainer. But for heaven's sake, don't let ANYONE, pardon my shouting, hear me complaining about pain.

Proctor, Furcal, Gagne, etc. ad nauseam... they all thought they were better off in the lineup than out. They probably didn't think they were hurting the team until after the fact, if then. It's the mentality I want in a ballplayer, even if its counterproductive. Put another way, no starting pitcher ever says he's tired, even when they are. It's the manager's call.

You want a shorter post? Read someone else. I'm back, baby. With a vengeance. It's summmer and I ain't teaching. I'll be posting.

A lot.

2008-06-25 19:08:08
7.   Eric Enders
I'd like to thank the Bulldogs for their impeccable timing in ending the game. No conflict with the Dodger game now.
2008-06-25 19:08:13
8.   El Lay Dave
1 I don't think ripping off his number and slapping him across the face with a pair of black batting gloves quite equals "beaten"!
2008-06-25 19:09:32
9.   Suffering Bruin
"Egotistical goats?"

I've never known goats to be egotistical. Then again, there is nothing so ugly in personality as a goat with a God complex. So I get it now.

2008-06-25 19:11:13
10.   Andrew Shimmin
If Proctor re-asserted that he wasn't hurt, might that cause problems for the team trying to DL him?
2008-06-25 19:13:59
11.   Greg Brock
We could get an ad hoc effigy team together.

But our point man on effigies is in Cleveland right now.

2008-06-25 19:19:17
12.   Andrew Shimmin
Vin's got a case of Nick/Steve Swisher confusion going.
2008-06-25 19:19:19
13.   scareduck
11 - Ned is in Cleveland?
2008-06-25 19:20:01
14.   StolenMonkey86
9 - In South Park, God is portrayed as a goat.
2008-06-25 19:20:27
15.   Icaros
12

His Juan/Jose Uribe confusion makes me sadder.

2008-06-25 19:24:18
16.   Andrew Shimmin
Floyd, coming into the day, had a BABIP allowed of .207. Looks like that might be coming back to earth.
2008-06-25 19:24:47
17.   Eric Enders
OK, Stults. There's your run.
2008-06-25 19:24:51
18.   scareduck
The look of offense.
2008-06-25 19:25:23
19.   scareduck
14 - I think I like Satan better if that's true.
2008-06-25 19:25:45
20.   CanuckDodger
I would like the Dodgers to keep Stults in the rotation and return Kershaw to Double A when either Penny or Kuroda returns. Stults is MLB ready, and Kershaw still needs more seasoning. Stults is getting his fastball as high as 93 tonight, he has a slider to go along with his curve, and he is confident throwing his change-up anytime. He threw four different pitches in his first four pitches to Swisher. It is not about who has more potential for the future (Kershaw, obviously), I just think Stults deserves to be here NOW.
2008-06-25 19:26:33
21.   Andrew Shimmin
Do you think Bowa knows, when the camera gets trained on him, that Vin's giving him the business over the helmets?
2008-06-25 19:26:39
22.   nick
So, so often, bad performance turns out to have been due to an injury.

I've been thinking about this for a while: why not simply write into contracts the following stipulation: if pitcher P has X number of bad starts, as defined by Y, an MRI is mandatory?

This would be in the interests of teams, while at the same time getting around the stupid macho ethos of ballplayers..

2008-06-25 19:27:31
23.   Gen3Blue
Having a tough week, I stupidly contrived a way to stay up for the Dodgers game, when it is not on DTV, WGN, or anywhere. Another form of stupidity. Playing hurt really hurts a team nowadays. I just can't trust Furcal. Good night.
2008-06-25 19:28:31
24.   Andrew Shimmin
I've been thinking about this for a while: why not simply write into contracts the following stipulation: if pitcher P has X number of bad starts, as defined by Y, an MRI is mandatory?

Because Hendrickson would have died of radiation poisoning.

2008-06-25 19:28:44
25.   scareduck
My! People come and go so quickly here!
2008-06-25 19:29:57
26.   nick
24 but he would have died for a good cause!
2008-06-25 19:30:16
27.   StolenMonkey86
In response to Jon's post, there's also the comparison to the Tony Abreu situation. Management accused Abreu of lying about his condition, which turned out to be true. In this case, it strikes me as more likely that Proctor should hit the DL. But there's no surprise - look at the lineup. Andy LaRoche continues to sit - getting a hit last night and some great defense wasn't good enough.

It's one thing to miss a game for general soreness, it's another to play with an injury that makes you a liability on the field. Especially if you're the manager's old favorite.

2008-06-25 19:30:17
28.   Icaros
23

Saturday and Sunday's games vs. Anaheim will also not be shown. Plan accordingly.

2008-06-25 19:31:24
29.   Andrew Shimmin
Be slower, rose bush.
2008-06-25 19:31:42
30.   StolenMonkey86
19 - I could never support anyone who hooks up with Saddam Hussein.
2008-06-25 19:32:09
31.   Eric Enders
I thought veterans don't make outs on the bases.
2008-06-25 19:32:45
32.   scareduck
30 - it does show a certain level of self-esteem issues.
2008-06-25 19:33:03
33.   fanerman
I love the way Jeff Kent plays the game. His gritty veteran base-running is something the youngin's should try to emulate.
2008-06-25 19:33:35
34.   scareduck
30 - they also never need to go potty.
2008-06-25 19:34:39
35.   StolenMonkey86
31 - Veterans make front-page of the NY Post outs on the bases. Ordinary outs on the bases are for kids.

Getting picked off of 2nd or 3rd is territory reserved for Juan Pierre.

2008-06-25 19:35:03
36.   Icaros
Kent basically does all of the bad things that the young players who are ruining the team supposedly do. I remember just as many baserunning blunders from him last year as Matt Kemp.
2008-06-25 19:36:12
37.   ucladodger
Kemp really does need to tell himself that if he sees the red dot on the baseball and it starts at his knees- DONT SWING! Pretty ugly AB.
2008-06-25 19:36:19
38.   Gen3Blue
Wait-- i'm staying we have a very small black hole with Stulltz and Kent playing.
Maybe I can bear Gameday for a while.
2008-06-25 19:37:22
39.   scareduck
27 - In response to Jon's post, there's also the comparison to the Tony Abreu situation. Management accused Abreu of lying about his condition, which turned out to be true.

WHAT was true? That Abreu was injured? Or that he was faking it?

2008-06-25 19:37:36
40.   Eric Enders
37 True -- that was a horrendous at-bat by Kemp. On the other hand, he used his terrible baserunning skills to steal second base. For the 14th time in 18 attempts.
2008-06-25 19:37:54
41.   Icaros
38

The Gameday stringer is apparently drinking on the job. Take care.

2008-06-25 19:38:13
42.   Greg Brock
I always seem to miss the opportunities to mock Jeff Kent.

I'll assume he did something stupid.

Ha ha!

2008-06-25 19:38:22
43.   scareduck
20 - concur.
2008-06-25 19:40:01
44.   StolenMonkey86
29 - pardon my poor pronoun referencing. The former, that Abreu was hurt, turned out to be true.
2008-06-25 19:41:24
45.   StolenMonkey86
Joe Crede has an .869 OPS on the year, but Ozuna can play Ozzie ball.
2008-06-25 19:41:33
46.   LoneStar7
I really wish we could of gotten 3 or 4 runs out of that inning...oh well
2008-06-25 19:41:48
47.   Hallux Valgus
Brian Anderson would be way more interesting if collected real monkeys.
2008-06-25 19:43:29
48.   StolenMonkey86
47 - It's all in how you collect them ...
2008-06-25 19:43:33
49.   Marty
If they played a game in an hour and a half nowadays it would be done before it's completely dark.
2008-06-25 19:44:09
50.   Ken Noe
I really hope JP gets a lot of hits tonight and tomorrow night. The Sox really need a speedy centerfielder/leadoff guy who works really hard, don't you Kenny Williams?
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2008-06-25 19:44:35
51.   Eric Enders
47 Then he would be Shea Hillenbrand.
2008-06-25 19:45:45
52.   Hallux Valgus
48 I imagine Brian Anderson reenacting episodes of Lancelot Link in his basement using his vast monkey army, and I giggle.

and I hope he doesn't steal them. That's just immoral.

2008-06-25 19:45:56
53.   JoeyP
Crede's like 5-55 vs lefties this year. Thats why he isnt in there.

Real weird, since he's a right handed hitter.

2008-06-25 19:46:03
54.   scareduck
"You're listening to a winning team, so why not join one?"

Somebody needs to tell Rick Monday that the Dodgers have a ways to go before they get to .500.

2008-06-25 19:46:32
55.   Hallux Valgus
51 ah, touche
2008-06-25 19:46:37
56.   Bluebleeder87
you've heard it all before Jon, great stuff... in a weird way I'm actually back in neutral terms with NedCo reading your stuff though!?!?!? The biggest issue I have with Ned is best illustrated by Eric's post two threads ago, but all & all I'm o.k. with Ned.
2008-06-25 19:46:55
57.   scareduck
47 - and if he could make them fly out of his butt, better still.
2008-06-25 19:47:28
58.   StolenMonkey86
53 - So Ozzie plays the percentages by looking at the percentages?

Ozzie?

2008-06-25 19:47:57
59.   Icaros
56

How can you agree with Eric's post and still be okay with Neddles?

2008-06-25 19:49:06
60.   Marty
For an alleged PR guy, Ned says some stupid things on the record.
2008-06-25 19:49:07
61.   Bluebleeder87
Stults has such an easy hit it wear it's pitch stroke no wonder he has so many hits.
2008-06-25 19:49:09
62.   LogikReader
Just checked in. Wow, the Dodgers are up 2-0!

I got a new-style Dodger baseball cap at the store today, then put it on about 45 minutes ago. Then I check into the Dodger game and they're up 2-0 in the 1st inning. My goodness! have I started a good luck charm?

I just took it off for a bit, I hope I don't mess up the karma.

2008-06-25 19:49:27
63.   Greg Brock
Lancelot Link: Secret Chimp was great.
2008-06-25 19:50:12
64.   Icaros
I forgot that Stults is a better hitter than Pierre.
2008-06-25 19:50:14
65.   StolenMonkey86
59 - Bluebleeder's a peaceful character.
2008-06-25 19:50:17
66.   LogikReader
A word about the new cap. Well, it's not wool anymore, but it feels very nice. It won't itch any more, plus I believe it has a low crown now, but I can't confirm. I like low crown hats. It's also the first hat I bought that's the right size: 7 1/2

Anyone else have one of these new style mlb caps?

2008-06-25 19:50:29
67.   Bluebleeder87
59

I don't know you figure it out, I just am...

2008-06-25 19:50:54
68.   scareduck
61 - could you translate that into English?
2008-06-25 19:50:55
69.   Marty
Pierre may have dribbled it like a baby having its first real food, but he showed a lot of veterany patience.
2008-06-25 19:53:44
70.   Bob Timmermann
New obelisk entry: Cleveland's allegedly Rapid Transit Authority.

Makes me homesick for the Blue Line.

2008-06-25 19:54:02
71.   Eric Enders
Pierre can dribble better than anyone in the NBA.
2008-06-25 19:54:39
72.   Jon Weisman
20 - I've been mulling the same thing. Question is, should Park start ahead of either of them.
2008-06-25 19:55:13
73.   Icaros
I'm just saying, to be able to agree with Eric's post and still be cool with Ned shows some serious tolerance skills.
2008-06-25 19:55:57
74.   LogikReader
70

That's really saying something, Bob, but the Blue line works well for the first mile or so.

2008-06-25 19:56:16
75.   MonkeyBlue
I loving Eric so far. Glad he taking advantage on another player injury.
2008-06-25 19:57:13
76.   Mark Joseph
Vin mentioned, in light of the 2:05 game yesterday, that the quickest game in Dodger Stadium history was a 3-0 win against Houston in 1972, which lasted an hour and a half. For anyone interested, the retrosheet link is here:

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1972/B05200LAN1972.htm

Downing pitched a two-hit shutout.

2008-06-25 19:57:22
77.   Marty
I don't suppose the Cuyahoga burns anymore.
2008-06-25 19:58:10
78.   scareduck
70 - Cleveland MTA was a fun crowd when I did contract work for them a decade or so ago. Not that I ever used their service.

Chicago was interesting. In the dispatch center, you could regularly hear calls from the bus drivers reporting passengers getting stabbed (or the drivers themselves being assaulted). Good times.

2008-06-25 19:58:12
79.   JoeyP
White Sox look like the Dodgers last night.
Lots of eary in the count hackin.

40 pitches for Stults thru 3.

2008-06-25 20:00:43
80.   Mark Joseph
Looking at the box scores of the 1959 World Series, I notice an oddity. In the first game Jerry Staley came in in the 8th inning, with one man on and no outs, ahead 11-0. He got the last six outs, and was credited with a save. Why? Was the save rule different then? Am I even right in thinking that the same situation today would not receive credit for a save?
2008-06-25 20:00:59
81.   Bob Timmermann
After boarding my train that arrived over 35 minutes late with no explanation, the other passengers and I dutifully put our $1.75 into the farebox. Which should have given us a ticket. But it didn't. However we were all asked to show a ticket. Even though the guy driving the train knew there were no tickets

Apparently, Franz Kafka has devised the system.

The PA on the train sounds like a McDonald's drive through.

2008-06-25 20:02:00
82.   Andrew Shimmin
I stabbed a passenger in Chicago, just to hear my name in the dispatch center.
2008-06-25 20:02:35
83.   MonkeyBlue
Look like the Dodgers offense are comfortably giving the a pitcher a easier time.
2008-06-25 20:04:42
84.   Eric Enders
81 Has there ever been a PA system on a public transportation vehicle, anywhere, that actually works?

I'm just saying, there's no need to pick on Cleveland specifically. If you're riding the New York subway you'd damned well better be paying attention to what's going on outside the windows because you'll never find out from the driver what stop you're arriving at.

2008-06-25 20:05:49
85.   Jon Weisman
Kevin Pearson with a personal thought:

"Proctor has been hiding the injury for well over a month and said that he was hoping to make it through his entire career without going on the DL. It was a nice mentality to have, but at some point, he was doing more harm than good and -- and this is just my personal opinion -- you would have to think his teammates would prefer him to miss two weeks than to keep hurting the club by pitching poorly while hiding an injury."

http://www.beloblog.com/Pe_Blogs/prosports/2008/06/dodgers-proctor-comments.html

2008-06-25 20:05:59
86.   CanuckDodger
72 -- Kershaw should probably be back in Double A regardless of our other options, for the sake of his development. He was skipped over high A completely and gets about a half season in Double A before being turned loose in the majors. Billingsley had a quick ride to the majors, but is wasn't THAT quick. Billingsley put in a full season in Double A and then had half a season in Triple A. Now, I am okay with letting Kershaw avoid Vegas, but I still would have liked to see him get in a full season in Double A. If I wasn't convinced of that before he was called up I am now, after six starts against big league hitters that have really shown his rough edges.
2008-06-25 20:06:19
87.   KG16
82 - I shot a man in Reno...
2008-06-25 20:07:24
88.   JoeyP
I wish every player had the approach that Russell and Quentin have. Its a joy to watch.
2008-06-25 20:08:59
89.   KG16
86 - It's a philosophical question. Do you want to have a player at a level where he will dominate, and thereby not necessarily improve his stuff? Or do you want a player at a level where he can be competitive but must develop additional tools in order become dominant?

I'd prefer the second, but then I was also the kind of guy who would rather be the last man off the bench for the varsity team rather than the star of the JV team.

2008-06-25 20:11:54
90.   JoeyP
Stults is very impressive so far in his call up.
2008-06-25 20:12:33
91.   Hallux Valgus
89 but being the star of the JV team doesn't necessarily mean that your skills stagnate. You can be the star of the JV team and work on your secondary pitches and control- with little pressure- in order to improve your profile at the top level. I believe that is CD's point.
2008-06-25 20:12:49
92.   Bob Timmermann
The LA MTA announcements are quite clear. It is about the only thing it does welll.
2008-06-25 20:13:39
93.   KG16
Almost a nice stop by DeWitt, and a great back up play by Berrora.
2008-06-25 20:13:42
94.   Eric Enders
I'm loving Vin's Bill Nicholson stories.
2008-06-25 20:13:42
95.   LoneStar7
stultsy pitching well again
2008-06-25 20:13:44
96.   Bluebleeder87
when you get a play like that...
2008-06-25 20:14:26
97.   Eric Enders
Nice play by Berroa.

He hasn't been as bad defensively as I feared. Offensively, he has.

2008-06-25 20:15:30
98.   Travis08
84 The D.C. Metro's announcements are reasonably clear.

80 Retrosheet credits all pre-1969 non-winning relievers who finish out a win with saves, regardless of the situation when they entered.

2008-06-25 20:16:34
99.   LoneStar7
atta boy james
2008-06-25 20:17:08
100.   KG16
91 - I'm not saying that being on the JV team causes a player's skills to stagnate, but I am suggesting that being on the JV team provides less incentive to improve one's more marginal skills.

Honestly, I think Kershaw's improvement ark (for lack of a better term) will be higher if he stays with the big club the rest of the year than if he goes back to Jacksonville.

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2008-06-25 20:18:09
101.   MonkeyBlue
Heh didn't think Loney can run.
2008-06-25 20:18:12
102.   KG16
Big James takes second, wow
2008-06-25 20:18:53
103.   LogikReader
One of these days I'd like to see the "Dodger Thoughts Rates the Major Subway Systems of America"

I'm a big fan of our very own Red Line, provided your travel is to mostly landmarks. I've used it to get from Universal City to Staples, Union Station, Langer's, H&H, etc.

Stolen base, Loney!!!

2008-06-25 20:19:09
104.   Greg Brock
Loney is toolsy.
2008-06-25 20:19:39
105.   Jon Weisman
Matt takes all six pitches.
2008-06-25 20:20:09
106.   Bluebleeder87
Loney's obp/slg/ops last 7 days

538/783/1321 he's actually been good the entire month but has gotten on fire of late.

2008-06-25 20:20:26
107.   underdog
Yay! I came home to see the Dodgers up 2-0 and Stultsie pitching well (who needs you Penny?) and Loney's hitting streak continued, and a stolen base for the speedy Crazy Eyes!

Hopefully this won't be the peak of the game.

--

btw, re: the latest injury revelations, not to be a conspiracy theorist but I still feel like Proctor was told to say he was hurting. Basically I feel like his initial more candid response that he wasn't hurt was the truth. And now he's been fed some talking points about his arm.

It's all there on the grassy knoll, there was a second injured arm! I'm telling you! {{mmmph!}}

2008-06-25 20:20:39
108.   MonkeyBlue
DEWITT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2008-06-25 20:20:45
109.   KG16
SOLUTION!

Whoops, thought that was out, but I'll take the yikes-double

2008-06-25 20:21:19
110.   underdog
Yay, Solution!
2008-06-25 20:21:23
111.   scareduck
The Temporary Solution hits a permanent double to cash in two more. 4-0 Dodgers.
2008-06-25 20:22:39
112.   Bluebleeder87
Berroa showing us HOW NOT TO HOLD A BAT WHILE BUNTING.
2008-06-25 20:23:02
113.   MonkeyBlue
Woah! nice bunt!
2008-06-25 20:23:58
114.   Eric Enders
I love how our #8 hitter is bunting so the (superior-hitting) pitcher can drive in the run.
2008-06-25 20:24:05
115.   Jon Weisman
107 - I doubt that. What's their incentive to make him lie?

For all the conspiracy theories about Loaiza and Bennett, they really have had ailments.

2008-06-25 20:24:08
116.   underdog
Hah hah, I love it, bunting the runner over for Stults, which actually makes sense since he is a better hitter than gramps anyway.
2008-06-25 20:24:20
117.   scareduck
They're making Berroa bunt so Stults can hit?
2008-06-25 20:24:45
118.   Hallux Valgus
100 I can see your point, although I don't necessarily agree. I feel like the organization can place an emphasis on his secondary skills by telling him that "this is what he needs to work on if he wants to be the pitcher he can be." I think he can do that at the major league level, but I think it's infinitely tougher on the fringes of a pennant race in a major market.
2008-06-25 20:24:57
119.   Bluebleeder87
107

I was thinking the same thing Underdog but I think Proctor new what to say... They stay on the major league team when injured right?

2008-06-25 20:25:25
120.   MonkeyBlue
Eric delivers :)
2008-06-25 20:25:26
121.   underdog
115 I don't know, I guess I am being paranoid, but something smells fishy about it all. I was thinking perhaps when a pitcher was struggling so much they look for an ailment and then find one, but I guess they might legitimately be finding one.
2008-06-25 20:25:52
122.   Greg Brock
Let's see Mark Sweeney do that!
2008-06-25 20:25:54
123.   scareduck