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DL Deletion: Jones, Garciaparra To Be Activated Friday
2008-07-03 10:29
by Jon Weisman

Tony Jackson of the Daily News has a great quote from Dodger assistant general manager Kim Ng on the accelerated return of Andruw Jones and Nomar Garciaparra on Friday.

As for whether club officials have any concerns about what this will mean for Nomar's left calf and Andruw's surgically repaired right knee, assistant GM Kim Ng said. "We always have concerns. That is our job, to be concerned."

There's a quote from a movie or TV show this reminds me of, but it is on the run from Jonny Brain.

Jackson and others add that conversely, Brad Penny's return from the DL has been postponed to give him time to get better command.

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Dodgers at Astros, 11:05 a.m.

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2008-07-03 10:38:41
1.   JoeyP
LAT:

120--

I wouldnt mind for 2009 season.

1b- Teixeira (age 29)
2b- Russ Martin (age 26)
SS- Ivan DeJesus (age 22)
3b- Andy LaRoche (age 25)

Put Lucas May or Santana at catcher. They'll struggle for 2009, but imagine how good the Dodgers should be in 2010.

2008-07-03 10:40:53
2.   bhsportsguy
1 I'm shocked to find gambling here.

LAT too.

With Diamond's announcement, the Dodgers can still activate both Nomar and Jones without having to DFA anyone by just putting Furcal on the 60-Day DL.

Now in terms of who goes tomorrow (or probably today after the game),

A. Jason Repko (nice 4-day visit to Texas)
B. Angel Berroa (don't know his status, he was playing in the minors for KC so he might just get optioned)
C. DeWitt/LaRoche.

Post a comment (

2008-07-03 10:41:41
3.   schoffle
1

Is there any reason to believe that Martin can handle playing 2nd base in the majors, any at all?

2008-07-03 10:42:56
4.   Rob M
I really don't understand this desire to get Russ out from behind the dish. He's good there! Leave him alone!
2008-07-03 10:43:16
5.   Bob Timmermann
When I first quickly scanned the headline, I thought Jon was writing about Dalton Jones.
2008-07-03 10:43:34
6.   CodyS
Even if Nomar can play SS every day without getting reinjured, there's still the tiny matter of him not being a capable shortstop! You are giving away at least a hit every other game with him there, compared to an average SS. And probably one hit a game compared to Hu.
That's assuming he's still a good a SS as he was in 2004-5, which is also unlikely, so take the above as kind of best case!
2008-07-03 10:45:55
7.   ToyCannon
I'll take the under. If Nomar survives SF I'll be surprised. On the other hand I am strangely excited to see him play SS.

Welcome back Andruw Jones. Please do not suck.

2008-07-03 10:47:30
8.   Jon Weisman
6 - Torre has already said they don't plan to play Nomar at SS every day, for what that's worth.

Like it or not, Hu is unavailable right now. The choices are Garciaparra, Maza, Berroa and DeJesus.

2008-07-03 10:48:02
9.   silverwidow
B. Angel Berroa (don't know his status, he was playing in the minors for KC so he might just get optioned)

Except that he's out of options. He's been DFA'd before by KC.

2008-07-03 10:48:25
10.   bhsportsguy
6 That's probably too much but if Nomar can hit, this may be one case where based on what the Dodgers were getting from their SS, you have to take it.

Its true, Nomar is not going to have the range to take hits away but how often do those plays happen.

Also, if Hu recovers from his eye injury in the next few weeks, he may be up by the end of July.

2008-07-03 10:49:18
11.   bhsportsguy
9 Then he'll be DFA (and still may end up in Vegas).
2008-07-03 10:49:33
12.   blue22
6 - The very worst shortstops last year were Jeter and Hanley, who scored -34 and -37 on Dewan's +/- system. That only works out to be a missed play every 4th or 5th game against the average.

If Nomar can throw up a 700 OPS (as he did last year) I think that makes up for the defensive deficiencies.

2008-07-03 10:49:50
13.   Ken Noe
I hope Nomar can play, because otherwise I figure Ned swaps Pee Wee and/or Stults/Penny for somebody like Eck + Stairs or Jack Wilson. But to be honest, I think 7 is dead on.
2008-07-03 10:53:35
14.   CodyS
12 Well, that's encouraging then. I just looked at range factor per nine, which of course has its limitations. Nomar was half a play per nine below average, 3&4 years ago.
2008-07-03 10:54:07
15.   Suffering Bruin
"We always have concerns. That is our job, to be concerned."

See? I've been saying this for years now. Being on this site is like being an unpaid GM.

2008-07-03 10:54:09
16.   silverwidow
Andruw return = Repko optioned (obvious)

Nomar return = Sweeney's Dodger career over

2008-07-03 10:57:42
17.   Neal Pollack
Penny's return pushed back--so why did we option Kershaw, again? Did we NEED Ramon Troncoso or Brian Falkenborg last night? Can anyone honestly say that the club is better with either of those guys than with Kershaw?

I actually like the idea of Nomar at SS. Better than the soul-suck that is Angel Berroa. Platoon him with Maza, who seems to have enough juice to be a valuable UT.

2008-07-03 10:58:15
18.   bhsportsguy
16 At least this weekend, I would expect to see a lineup with Martin, Loney, Kent, Nomar, DeWitt/LaRoche, Ethier, Jones, Kemp with a bench of DeWitt/LaRoche, Young, Maza, Ardoin, Sweeney.
2008-07-03 10:58:48
19.   Xeifrank
What happens if we DFA Berroa when Nomar comes back and then some other team claims Berroa (I know, I know, hear me out), then Nomar gets hurt, what are we going to do for our backup SS? DeJesus is next on the depth chart, but that's asking a lot from him. Just thinking out loud here. :)
vr, Xei
2008-07-03 10:59:34
20.   silverwidow
18 Choosing to dump Berroa instead of Sweeney is fine by me. But the front office might want "insurance" for Nomar.
2008-07-03 11:00:17
21.   D4P
Nomar return = Sweeney's Dodger career over

Sweeney's not going anywhere until they pry him from Ned's cold, dead hands.

On a related note, how long until Sweeney is eligible for his MLB pension...?

2008-07-03 11:01:15
22.   Ken Noe
19 If Nomar goes down, Ned pulls the trigger on a trade and Maza remains the backup until Hu or DeJesus are deemed ready. I think the Berroa experiment may be over either way.
2008-07-03 11:01:22
23.   Xeifrank
Today's win probabilities.

Source: Fave/Win%/Runs
LV Hilton: LAD/53.49%/8.5
AccuScore: LAD/51.00%/9.4
My Simulator: LAD/53.08%/8.78

vr, Xei

2008-07-03 11:02:08
24.   bhsportsguy
17 I think makes sense with no days off until the All-Star break, you didn't know what Kuroda could do especially against the Astros at home, if goes in the 3rd/4th inning, your options become murky. Also, they have had an idea that Penny wasn't going to pitch this weekend so they knew they couldn't use Park again.

I don't really thinks it a bad move, Kershaw will get a couple of starts before the ASB and who knows, if Penny can't make it back, maybe he'll be up right after that.

2008-07-03 11:02:12
25.   El Lay Dave
16 Some might like to think so, but with Nomar as a starter would Torre carry a bench of Berroa, Maza, Young, Ardoin and DeRoche?

7 I somehow don't think that Derek Lowe will be "strangely excited" to find that the middle IF behind him is Nomar/Kent.

2008-07-03 11:02:25
26.   Jon Weisman
19 - Ramon Martinez was activated at Las Vegas June 24. He went 4 for 5 with two doubles in that game. For the season, he is OPSing .690. And he's a better defender. I think that could replace Berroa.
2008-07-03 11:03:05
27.   blue22
16 - That leaves a lot of infielders and right-handed batters on the bench. You'd have Kent, Maza, Berroa, Nomar, LaRoche, and DeWitt for 3 IF positions, which seems excessive. Delwyn would be the only left-handed pinch hitter.

With Furcal's injury, I think Sweeney is saved from any sort of roster-crunch motivated release. Now it would simply be a matter of performance, and LA looking to upgrade at his position.

2008-07-03 11:03:14
28.   Bob Timmermann
Players are eligible for a pension now after just one day. There are different levels you get paid out depending upon your tenure.
2008-07-03 11:03:15
29.   dzzrtRatt
Besides his poor performance this season, Hu is unavailable why? Did I miss something?
2008-07-03 11:04:01
30.   Xeifrank
26. Ok, that's another option, albeit not a good one. :) I was just going by your depth chart in #8.
vr, Xei
2008-07-03 11:04:28
31.   Xeifrank
29. He can't see. Vision problems.
vr, Xei
2008-07-03 11:05:04
32.   Bob Timmermann
Apparenlty Mr. Ratt and Hu suffer from the safe affliction.
2008-07-03 11:05:17
33.   dzzrtRatt
I somehow don't think that Derek Lowe will be "strangely excited" to find that the middle IF behind him is Nomar/Kent.

Derek Lowe, welcome to PVL-HELL! You asked for it, you got it.

His ex-wife made a deal with Satan to make this happen.

2008-07-03 11:05:25
34.   D4P
Players are eligible for a pension now after just one day. There are different levels you get paid out depending upon your tenure

So, what was the deal with Tomko?

2008-07-03 11:05:57
35.   Jon Weisman
30 - I had forgotten about him too until for some reason your comment made me think of him.
2008-07-03 11:06:02
36.   old dodger fan
Why send Kershaw to JAX instead of Vegas?
2008-07-03 11:06:34
37.   dzzrtRatt
31 No eye doctors in Vegas?

I had heard about these vision problems, but I was unaware they were lingering such that he can't play.

2008-07-03 11:07:10
38.   El Lay Dave
36 Because Vegas is no fun until you are 21.
2008-07-03 11:07:41
39.   Sushirabbit
As I head out away from civilization, it's nice to see a decent line-up for once, I hope when I come back the Dodgers are up by 5 games. :-)
2008-07-03 11:08:12
40.   kirk gibson
Rather than Andruw Jones, let's just put Chin-Lung Hu in Centerfield and call it even.
2008-07-03 11:09:04
41.   bhsportsguy
36 He's only 20, what fun could he have in Vegas?

BTW, one thing that probably has not escaped the Dodgers attention is that Delwyn Young has adapted well to being a PH, he's 10 for 31 (.323) which is 3rd in the NL for PH with 25 or more PA.

That ability will keep Young on this club for a while.

2008-07-03 11:10:25
42.   fanerman
Goodness gracious, 3 months ago I wouldn't have believed that we'd be pining for Nomar Garciaparra and Lucille II at SS.
2008-07-03 11:11:50
43.   Xeifrank
Game started. Kemp leads off with a K.
vr, Xei
2008-07-03 11:14:37
44.   fanerman
It seems like Matt Kemp has been taking more pitches lately.
2008-07-03 11:14:58
45.   jasonungar07
That's awesome BH...regarding Young.
2008-07-03 11:17:04
46.   El Lay Dave
43 ... for the third game in a row.
2008-07-03 11:17:27
47.   El Lay Dave
Loney with the two-out, RISP, extra-base hit.
2008-07-03 11:18:21
48.   Jon Weisman
My oh my.
2008-07-03 11:18:33
49.   MonkeyBlue
Dewitt! 2 RBI single!
2008-07-03 11:18:50
50.   bhsportsguy
45 Well, thanks, though a lot of the credit should go to Peanuts.

:)

I hope we are able to enjoy DeWitt hitting well these days.

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2008-07-03 11:18:51
51.   old dodger fan
Considering his last outing, Billingsley must be pretty happy right now.
2008-07-03 11:19:05
52.   MonkeyBlue
Aren't the Dodgers best with RISP with 2 outs?
2008-07-03 11:19:16
53.   fanerman
James! Blake!
2008-07-03 11:20:26
54.   El Lay Dave
I hope Tony Jackson is tracking the RISP hitting today.
2008-07-03 11:21:12
55.   blue22
53 - Why are you watching tennis? The Dodgers are on.
2008-07-03 11:21:22
56.   old dodger fan
Looks like the Astros have their own bad Back(e) problems.
2008-07-03 11:22:05
57.   Bluebleeder87
It's always nice to get an early lead!
2008-07-03 11:24:54
58.   arborial
Since all of the discussion of infield positions uses DeWitt/LaRoche as they are somewhat interchangeable I propose that we use the term DeLa (or DeLa Woche) to refer to them. I like the first one better.
2008-07-03 11:26:32
59.   MonkeyBlue
First ball swinging! I like!
2008-07-03 11:28:39
60.   Jon Weisman
A first-pitch popout from Berkman. Excellent.
2008-07-03 11:28:44
61.   Greg Brock
50 ESPN has him hitting .133 in his last seven games.
2008-07-03 11:29:01
62.   Bluebleeder87
By the way, I'd definitely take a chance on Furcal even with his back issues he was still performing great the only gamble NedCo will have is IF Furcap has a recuring (sp) back problem, I'm not a gambling man but I really feel Furcal's back will be o.k.

2 year offer take it or leave it.

2008-07-03 11:32:12
63.   Xeifrank
How does Chris Kaman get to play for Germany in the Olympics just because his great-grandparents were from Germany?
vr, Xei
2008-07-03 11:32:36
64.   MonkeyBlue
Yessh Bison!
2008-07-03 11:33:44
65.   blue22
63 - I read he actually got German citizenship recently.
2008-07-03 11:34:14
66.   Xeifrank
62. Ned Inc., has a bad track record with signing players who end up or were hiding an injury. Not sure what I'd offer. vr, Xei
2008-07-03 11:35:01
67.   Xeifrank
65. Yeah, I would too if I was 7 foot tall and played in the NBA. My great-great grandparents are from Germany. :)
vr, Xei
2008-07-03 11:35:28
68.   Bob Timmermann
63
Each sports federation sets its own eligibility rules. Some are looser than others.

The WBC tried to get Dan Haren to play for the Netherlands. Despite the fact that Dan Haren is not Dutch. At all. He didn't play for the Dutch.

Mike Piazza played for Italy in the WBC.

And the nationalities of Alex Rodriguez and Albert Pujols are whatever they want them to be at the time.

2008-07-03 11:37:17
69.   Bob Timmermann
I'm a little surprised that Kaman has relatives from Germany as Western Michigan is much more of a Dutch area.

I once flew out to my brother's house in Michigan and Kaman were on the same two legs of the flight to Gerald R. Ford International Airport.

Chris Kaman is a very large human being.

2008-07-03 11:38:40
70.   Jon Weisman
Chin-Lung Hu played 210 innings with no errors and a range factor, according to Baseball-Reference.com, of 4.92, which was .78 higher than Furcal and .50 higher than the NL average. Anyone know what his +/- is?

Maza's range factor, though, is somehow 5.93 in 82 innings.

2008-07-03 11:39:30
71.   fanerman
64 What did he do?
2008-07-03 11:39:41
72.   MonkeyBlue
WOW! nice comeback count for Bills! KK!
2008-07-03 11:42:00
73.   scareduck
70 - yet another strike against Dewan's +/- system: it's not available in-season. Honestly, it doesn't seem any better than fielding percentage as a means to determine defensive ability.
2008-07-03 11:42:19
74.   MonkeyBlue
71. Caught looking and strike out.

Edit: Ethier! nice HR!

2008-07-03 11:42:30
75.   thinkblue88
Wow, Andre is on a power surge!!
2008-07-03 11:42:34
76.   Greg Brock
Big oppo bomb for 3.5.
2008-07-03 11:42:50
77.   scareduck
BOOM! 4-0 Dodgers, and if they can hold on to this one, the Dodgers go undefeated in July!
2008-07-03 11:43:09
78.   jujibee
"Adnt that's why it was so important to keep these guys off the board in the early goings, because now with a lead, Billingsley looks unhittable." -Astros Announcers(something very close to that anyway)

I liked hearing that. Looks like Andre found his stroke.

2008-07-03 11:43:11
79.   Jon Weisman
Andre Encore!
2008-07-03 11:43:21
80.   MC Safety
Ethier is on fire right now.
2008-07-03 11:43:42
81.   jujibee
78. And still trying to figure out how Adnt got there.
2008-07-03 11:43:53
82.   DaDoughboy
YES 'DRE!!
2008-07-03 11:44:12
83.   Bluebleeder87
We will see how that goes... I'm cool with Hu taking over though.
2008-07-03 11:44:36
84.   Jon Weisman
73 - How can you say it's not better than fielding percentage when it takes range into account?

77 - Knock on wood.

78 - They saw Chad pitch well against them last year.

2008-07-03 11:44:38
85.   regfairfield
73 How do you reach that conclusion? Also, midseason defensive stats are generally useless, especially ones that don't account for opportunity like range factor or rate2.
2008-07-03 11:44:42
86.   Johnny Nucleo
I really want to believe that what we're starting to see here is the kids taking ownership of the team.
2008-07-03 11:45:23
87.   blue22
70 - Maza (.886) and Hu (.880) are much closer on their Zone Ratings. Both of those figures rank very highly amongst all shortstops this year, though neither have enough chances to officially qualify.
2008-07-03 11:45:27
88.   regfairfield
Which explains how Maza is the most dominant defensive force in baseball today.
2008-07-03 11:46:01
89.   regfairfield
86 The team that's been carried by Kent the last couple weeks?
2008-07-03 11:46:11
90.   DaDoughboy
That hit may be the Backe breaker..
2008-07-03 11:48:13
91.   MonkeyBlue
Fat Elvis with a nice play.
2008-07-03 11:49:01
92.   Gilberto Reyes
I have a strange feeling that the Dodgers are about to go on an extended winning spurt. I don't know how long it will last, but I really feel like they could win 20 of the next 30 games and make a move in this hapless division. The bats are finally showing some life.
2008-07-03 11:49:21
93.   Gen3Blue
Jeepers, James was hustling and it looks like he's running fast, but he still takes a while to get down the line.
2008-07-03 11:50:26
94.   MMSMikey
could young look any worse
2008-07-03 11:51:07
95.   Dane Bramage
92 This is just the Astros after all. I'm reserving hope until the bats come to life against teams that are well above .500
2008-07-03 11:51:11
96.   MonkeyBlue
D. Young look like a different hitter with RISP(A bad one).
2008-07-03 11:51:22
97.   MC Safety
Pee Wee is going to start seeing a lot more breaking stuff. He looked pretty bad right there.
2008-07-03 11:52:11
98.   jujibee
84. They must have seen him before. They cannot stop talking about how tough he is when pitching with a lead. It's nice to hear other teams' announcers give Billingsley some respect though.
2008-07-03 11:52:12
99.   Bob Timmermann
So why do we still use "hapless," but not its root "hap?" "Hap" is a perfectly acceptable word meaning "happiness" or "luck."

I demand the return of the word to everyday language!

2008-07-03 11:52:50
100.   JoeyP
Pierre out of the lead off spot, and the bunching of the best hitters at the top--has really helped the Dodgers the last 3 games score in the 1st inning.
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2008-07-03 11:53:13
101.   Bob Timmermann
Delwyn Young looks to be the same hitter with runners on base as without runners on base.
2008-07-03 11:53:14
102.   Greg Brock
It's worse when he moved out of the way of a 78 mph curveball the pitch before.

Wear that ball for heaven's sake.

2008-07-03 11:53:15
103.   scareduck
84 , 85 - I take from this

http://www.billjamesonline.net/fieldingbible/summary.asp

that the whole system is based on subjective calls of ability. That is, +/- is no better than figure skating, gymnastics -- or fielding percentage.

2008-07-03 11:54:13
104.   JoeyP
The bats are finally showing some life

It helps that Pierre is no longer leading off or in the lineup.

2008-07-03 11:54:33
105.   scareduck
99 - what about the return of "happy" as a verb? The Elizabethans were perfectly comfortable with the locution of "happy a friend".
2008-07-03 11:55:06
106.   MonkeyBlue
Chad! amazing start so far.
2008-07-03 11:55:28
107.   Xeifrank
100. As far as 1st innings go. Kemp has struck out the three times he led off the game and so did Repko. Other than that, you are correct. :)
vr, Xei
2008-07-03 11:56:23
108.   Xeifrank
If Chad keeps this up, he might get recruited to pitch for the Germans!
vr, Xei
2008-07-03 11:56:51
109.   regfairfield
103 How? Ball gets hit to a location, the guy misses the play that is deemed catchable because someone else caught the same type of ball, he gets -1. He catches it when someone else missed it, he gets +1.

The biggest knock against defensive stats is that they can't replace watching a guy play. This system involves watching every single play and comparing that against every other player in baseball. This is why i use +/-.

2008-07-03 11:57:08
110.   Jim Hitchcock
99 That post really (c)haps my hide!
2008-07-03 11:59:29
111.   Jon Weisman
103 - "A player gets credit (a "plus" number) if he makes a play that at least one other player at his position missed during the season, and he loses credit (a "minus" number) if he misses a play that at least one player made. The size of the credit is directly related to how often players make the play. Each play is looked at individually, and a score is given for each play."

It's not subjective. It's objective. The "credit" is based on a quantitative value. I think the last sentence in the above quote - "looked at" - you're taking as subjective when it's intended as objective.

2008-07-03 11:59:45
112.   Xeifrank
I would love to argue defensive stats with you all, but it seems like all of them have some sort of flaw. I will agree that they are lightning years ahead of errors/field pct. though. vr, Xei
2008-07-03 12:00:51
113.   fanerman
Did they just rule Loney's single an error?
2008-07-03 12:01:15
114.   scareduck
109 - Ball gets hit to a location, the guy misses the play that is deemed catchable because someone else caught the same type of ball

This is still a matter of subjective opinion, though. It's not at all clear to me based on their description that this takes into consideration positioning.

2008-07-03 12:01:27
115.   JoeyP
107---Kemp must have the ability to make the guys beneath him better ;)
2008-07-03 12:01:30
116.   MonkeyBlue
3 k for M. Bison.
2008-07-03 12:01:43
117.   Jon Weisman
112 - Yeah, I'm not saying +/- is perfect. I think it's a pretty big step forward, though.
2008-07-03 12:03:41
118.   okdodge
Not the best past two games for Kemp, wonder if his scratched eye is bothering him.
2008-07-03 12:04:16
119.   blue22
117 - I'm sure some here can provide some editorial on this, but Zone Rating (readily available in-season on ESPN) is sort of a percentage-based version of +/-.
2008-07-03 12:04:33
120.   scareduck
111 - you're taking as subjective when it's intended as objective.

Where is there evidence that this is in fact objective, though? Maybe they're trying to do that but IMO it's misleading if so. On the other hand, this is only the nutshell version, and I understand Dewan's book goes into much greater detail.

2008-07-03 12:04:45
121.   regfairfield
But does where a defender started from matter? All that matters is they catch the ball. Accounting for how far someone ran would punish guys who are better at positioning.
2008-07-03 12:05:37
122.   Bob Timmermann
Cesar Izturis Maza!
2008-07-03 12:05:42
123.   MonkeyBlue
MAZA!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!