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Happy Independence Day ... From the Dodgers
2008-07-04 09:18
by Jon Weisman

Before today's game at San Francisco, two players will indeed be emancipated, at least temporarily, to make room for Andruw Jones and Nomar Garciaparra - assuming the latter can get past the gettin'-out-of-bed hurdle. (Don't laugh - I wake up backsore all too often.)

Remember back in April when games with the Giants were supposed to be gimmees? Not quite that simple, is it?

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By the way, the other day when talking about shortstops, I forgot to mention Ramon Martinez as a candidate to help back up the position. I realized this in the comments Thursday, but Martinez was recently reactivated at Las Vegas.

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Tim Brown writes at length about Dodgers assistant general manager Kim Ng and female baseball executives in general at Yahoo! Sports.

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Dodgers at Giants, 1:05 p.m.

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2008-07-04 10:13:05
1.   Johnny Nucleo
I'm annoyed that neither today's game nor tomorrow's game will be on Prime-HD. Nor was last Sunday's for that matter. As one of many non local Dodger fans, it would be nice to be able to have more games available on Prime Ticket.
2008-07-04 10:13:30
2.   blue22
L-II hit .194 with a .473 OPS last year, which should earn him a good 3 weeks worth of starts this year.
2008-07-04 10:15:05
3.   Greg Brock
Does Andrew Jones come back and hit above or below league average CF?

Predictions?

2008-07-04 10:15:35
4.   Greg Brock
And what of Andruw Jones?

Stupid spelling.

2008-07-04 10:15:45
5.   Marty
A friend of mine pulled a calf muscle getting out of bed. So, we got that going for us.
2008-07-04 10:19:46
6.   blue22
3 - Not sure what the average is, but the median centerfielder in the NL is Chris Young at .304/.424/.728. That seems a bit high for Andruw, but optimistically achievable I guess.
2008-07-04 10:20:42
7.   Jon Weisman
1-Every game on Channel 9 instead of cable is a game local fans without cable get to see that they otherwise wouldn't. You see more in the end.
2008-07-04 10:24:54
8.   Bob Timmermann
1
And it's not even your holiday! Go back to swearing allegiance to the Queen of England!

Or Wayne Gretzky and Mark Messier or whatever You People™ do on July 4?

2008-07-04 10:25:02
9.   blue22
6 - Andruw's line from last year was .311/.413/.724.
2008-07-04 10:28:05
10.   Bob Timmermann
Jason Varitek's catching gear that he is wearing for today's game makes me wish that we had lost the American Revolution.
2008-07-04 10:29:19
11.   Disabled List
Everyone, let's please conform our triple-slash stats to the International Sabermetric Standardized Protocol: AVG/OBP/SLG.

For a second there, I thought that Andruw Jones and other average outfielders had .700 slugging percentages last year.

2008-07-04 10:29:56
12.   Bob Timmermann
In the spirit of the holiday, I have told the soldiers billeted in my apartment to go find their own place.
2008-07-04 10:30:28
13.   D4P
I'm not sure we could have lost the American Revolution. If we had, it would have been called something else (e.g. the British Beatdown).
2008-07-04 10:32:35
14.   Greg Brock
It wasn't a revolution. It was a war for independence.
2008-07-04 10:32:45
15.   Bob Timmermann
I'm betting that historians would not have opted for the British Beatdown. That's because most historians don't write books that are aimed at the same people who read ESPN the Magazine.
2008-07-04 10:33:52
16.   Bob Timmermann
14
Although I'm certain all of Greg Brock's lesson plans are done in ESPN the Magazine style. He has lots of flashy graphics and uses really big fonts.

And conveys little information.

2008-07-04 10:34:11
17.   Greg Brock
The Colonial Insurrection, or something to that effect.
2008-07-04 10:35:20
18.   D4P
"Dontcha know, talkin' 'bout a war for independence, it sounds, like a whispah..."
2008-07-04 10:37:12
19.   Johnny Nucleo
7 Thanks. I didn't know what the TV arrangements were for local fans. I just selfishly wish there's some way I could always see a Dodger game on days when I don't have to work - which would be Sundays, and miraculously, today.

I'll go back to swearing allegiance to the Queen of England now. I have an exciting croquet game lined up with some fellow Canuckistani expatriates.

2008-07-04 10:42:14
20.   Bob Timmermann
19
But since you're not an American, you have to put up with that platoon of Marines living in your house.
2008-07-04 10:47:17
21.   Greg Brock
"American Revolution" kills "American War for Independence" in a Google fight.

15.9 million to 1.3 million.

Sigh.

2008-07-04 10:47:43
22.   Ken Noe
15 Actually as I write Civil War history, I always ask myself, "How can I work the Yankees or Red Sox into this?" Oddly, its tougher to fit the Sox.
2008-07-04 10:49:02
23.   D4P
22
Vietnam War writers presumably have no problem working "Dodgers" into their writings.
2008-07-04 10:52:31
24.   elandcohen
1
time warmer has kcal on hd
2008-07-04 10:53:08
25.   MonkeyBlue
Sweeny is gone right?
2008-07-04 11:01:04
26.   Bumsrap
Sweeney are still liberal
2008-07-04 11:01:31
27.   Johnny Nucleo
Diamond says Sweeney DFA'd, Repko optioned.
2008-07-04 11:01:44
28.   ROC
Sweeney to DL, Repko down.
2008-07-04 11:02:14
29.   Johnny Nucleo
Oops make that Sweeney on the DL.
2008-07-04 11:02:29
30.   bhsportsguy
Diamond's words not mine.

The Dodgers have placed pinch-hitting specialist Mark Sweeney on the disabled list with a strained right hamstring. Jason Repko has been optioned. Rafael Furcal has been transferred to the 60-day disabled list.

2008-07-04 11:02:44
31.   D4P
Sweeney to DL

Note to Ned:

1. See cord
2. Cut

2008-07-04 11:05:07
32.   Bob Timmermann
I wonder which hurts more: Sweeney's hamstring or Bennett's foot?
2008-07-04 11:05:21
33.   tjdub
31 Be nice. Without that lingering hamstring issue I have no doubt Sweeney would be hitting at least .124.
2008-07-04 11:06:08
34.   Greg Brock
Specialist.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

I'm a nuclear physics specialist!

2008-07-04 11:08:54
35.   Greg Brock
Before we get all pedantic up in this piece, I'm just making a joke.

Yes, it's his specialty. He just happens to suck at it.

2008-07-04 11:08:55
36.   bigcpa
All of the sudden we have a sweet bench... presumably Delwyn and DeWitt today. Unless Delwyn starts over Ethier but Ethier deserves a shot at a LHP.
2008-07-04 11:08:56
37.   Bob Timmermann
If you get a chance to see a replay of Youkilis' triple that he just hit, it is one of the oddest plays I've seen.
2008-07-04 11:09:28
38.   bhsportsguy
Okay, now this appears to be the roster heading to the All-Star break, the only remaining move left will be if Penny pitches next week, which reliever (Falkenborg or Troncoso) goes down.

SP: Billingsley, Kuroda, Lowe, and Stults
RP: Park, Kuo, Troncoso, Falkenborg, Wade, Beimel, Broxton, and Saito
C: Martin and Ardoin
IF: Loney, Kent, Garciaparra, DeWitt, LaRoche, Maza, and Berroa
OF: Kemp, Jones, Ethier and Young

Probable starters
Martin
Loney
Kent
Garciaparra
DeWitt
Kemp
Jones
Ethier

Bench
LaRoche
Berroa
Maza
Young
Ardoin

2008-07-04 11:10:15
39.   tjdub
Anyone watching Yankees Red Sox? After Damon missed making a great catch at the wall, the ball remained perched atop the wall for a few seconds before dropping to the warning track. Any idea what the ruling would be if it had stayed?
2008-07-04 11:11:59
40.   Disabled List
I'm actually waiting for the lineup announcement with a bit of anticipation. I honestly have no idea what Torre is gonna roll out there today.

My guess:

Kemp
Nomar
Loney
Jones
Kent
Martin
Ethier
DeWitt

2008-07-04 11:12:43
41.   bhsportsguy
31 Why, he's on the DL, he's get paid anyway if he is on the DL or DFA.

Frankly, I'm more surprised Berroa still made the trip to San Francisco.

2008-07-04 11:14:00
42.   Bob Timmermann
If the ball had stayed on the fence, it would have been in play.
2008-07-04 11:15:16
43.   D4P
Why, he's on the DL, he's get paid anyway if he is on the DL or DFA

But why keep him at all? He sucks. For some reason, Ned just can't let go of these guys.

I get the impression that he doesn't want to hurt their feelings or deal with the messy personal stuff associated with DFAing vets like Sweeney, Tomko, etc., so he stalls and delays the inevitable at the expense of the team.

2008-07-04 11:17:45
44.   tjdub
42- That's what I figured as there can't be a specific "ground rule" for that. It's not liek it was stuck in Ivy or anything. It would have been funny watching Damon/Cabrera have to jump up to retrieve it.
2008-07-04 11:17:53
45.   Greg Brock
43 Or he believes they have value and are helping the team.

So, you know, make of that what you will.

2008-07-04 11:18:06
46.   underdog
Hey guys!
Happy Independence Day and all that.

I'm in Sta Barbara and fortunately not in any fire danger though we did have some smoke issues last night and saw flames from the Gap fire up close on our way down. Scary stuff. It's better today. Fingers crossed.

Anyway, I followed yesterday's game on my cell phone and squeed a few times. Today I am DVR-ing the game and will try to watch it later without being rude to my family. But the Dodgers are better off without me being in SF watching the game in person or probably even watching it live on TV.

If they take 2 outta 3 from the Giants I will be pretty happy. Less than that, not happy. I wish we had Bills pitching in the series but they don't have Lincecum pitching.

As for Sweeney, the DL made me laugh - might as well put it down as "Pulled Ego" or "Broken Swing" but whatever, getting him off the active roster is better than nothing. And I agree, Berroa should be replaced. Since Hu isn't available, Martinez would be okay.

Happy Fourth!

Go Blue!

2008-07-04 11:18:08
47.   silverwidow
40 LaRoche SHOULD start today against LHP Jonathan Sanchez.

In fact, LaRoche should start most days now that Sweeney is out, with DeWitt being an additional lefty bat on the bench.

2008-07-04 11:18:11
48.   LogikReader
Happy Independence Day, everyone!

We hold these truths to be self evident:

That we take a moment to look back and thank all the great founding fathers, soldiers who fought for our freedom before, and soldiers who are out and about fighting for freedom today.

That we have the ability to enjoy a truly independent nation that has its own quirks and diversity. For instance, we follow baseball as our national past time, not soccer as much.

That we are able to say and preach what we believe in without having to worry about a beheading, and finally...

That we get to watch our Boys in Blue make a charge for the NL West! Go (Red White and) BLUE!!!!

---

I had my first "It's It" today! I thought they only sold them in San Francisco, but I found them at my local SoCal Albertsons. Man they are so good. Just like Cool a Coos. Do they sell these It's Its at AT&T Park?

2008-07-04 11:18:40
49.   Neal Pollack
How are we gonna get rid of Berroa?

Trade Troncoso or Falkenborg for Kershaw, and we'd have our best players available out there. I still don't understand why they sent him down. Or I DO understand why, and don't agree with the reasoning.

2008-07-04 11:20:20
50.   bhsportsguy
43 I guess it is just me again, but Mike Sweeney's lack of production has not been the cause for the Dodgers inability to win ballgames. But then, I am not a produce or dump person.
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2008-07-04 11:20:27
51.   berkowit28
Or they're just being careful in case Nomar and/or Andruw fall down hurt again this weekend.
2008-07-04 11:21:30
52.   dzzrtRatt
Maybe Sweeney has pictures of somebody doing something they shouldn't.
2008-07-04 11:22:05
53.   D4P
Mike Sweeney's lack of production has not been the cause for the Dodgers inability to win ballgames

That's for sure.

2008-07-04 11:23:10
54.   underdog
Btw, I do feel a little sorry for Repko. He had that truly awful game, and then didn't have any opportunity to rectify it. Not that he necessarily would have, but it has to stink to be sent back after faring that poorly, very briefly, and then that's it.

But it'll be good - or at least interesting, and hopefully not "interesting" in that other sense - to have Andruw back.

2008-07-04 11:23:16
55.   dzzrtRatt
48 I believe Cool a coos stole the idea from "It's It." Wikipedia could probably resolve the issue, but if I looked up "It's It" on Wikipedia, I'd have to shoot myself afterward.
2008-07-04 11:24:41
56.   bhsportsguy
49 I understand it but I do think that we will see him back right after the All-Star break.
2008-07-04 11:25:03
57.   Greg Brock
Somebody needs to read the "Know Your Sweeneys" post from the Griddle.
2008-07-04 11:26:18
58.   bhsportsguy
54 When you are the 6th outfielder in an organization, it takes a lot to stick on a team.

That said, if Repko could still play SS...

2008-07-04 11:26:19
59.   silverwidow
Diamond has become the #1 Dodger beat reporter in my estimation.

Breaks stories fast, no outward biases. Just solid journalism.

2008-07-04 11:26:36
60.   underdog
48 You know, I don't remember if they sell It's-Its at AT&T Park, but they should. And all I'll say is even with lactose intolerance, I say "screw that" when an opportunity to eat one of those arises. It's worth it.

49 Kershaw's "demotion" sounds very temporary. He wouldn't have an opportunity to pitch for too long, with the all-star break coming up. It's better he get the work in and then come back later. Stults has been fine. I don't think it's that big a deal. He'll be back.

2008-07-04 11:26:44
61.   Disabled List
Forgot about the lefty going today. If I was running the show, this would be my lineup:

Martin
Loney
Kemp
Kent
Jones
Ethier
LaRoche
Nomar

Except for the absence of Furcal, this is pretty much the ideal lineup we had in mind for the Dodgers at the start of the season, and we ought to get something very close to it today.

2008-07-04 11:27:00
62.   berkowit28
46 I wasn't able to reply in a timely manner the other night, underdog, but be prepared in Santa Barbara for some minor issues that don't compare with maybe having to be evacuated, but might interfere with your TV plans.

For two evenings now, electricity has been cut off for virtually all of Santa Barbara and Goleta. (I live close to downtown SB.) Wednesday for 4+ hours, last night for 2+. It must get overloaded when people turn on the lights or something. Aside from not being able to see anything if you haven't got a flashlight and candles (my situation Wednesday, rectified yesterday), your Tivo/DVR can't record anything. Today's game is a day game so you're OK. Also make sure to charge up your cell phone during the day, and keep a battery radio handy.

2008-07-04 11:27:43
63.   bhsportsguy
57 Fine, Mark, Mike none of those guys are the reasons why the Dodgers are under .500.
2008-07-04 11:27:47
64.   underdog
58 I know, but still... I have empathy for the guy. And yeah, he must have been a really bad SS, they never once considered moving him back there.
2008-07-04 11:28:40
65.   Bob Timmermann
Right now BOTH Mike and Mark Sweeney are on the DL.

So you just have to worry about Ryan Sweeney.

2008-07-04 11:29:39
66.   underdog
62 I know, yer right. My folks warned us. They'd lost power the night before but last night was okay. We have emergency radios, flashlights and candles at the ready. Fortunately the fire is getting a bit more controlled and the winds have died down, but yeah if it kicks up again tonight it could spell trouble. Hope they keep shrinking it. Anyway, stay safe.

We're off to Summerland for the day where the air's better. :-)

2008-07-04 11:29:58
67.   Bob Timmermann
64
But lots of guys are drafted as shortstops. It's the "he's the best guy in school so let's play him at short" phenomenon.

Heck, Troy Glaus played shortstop at UCLA.

2008-07-04 11:30:39
68.   bhsportsguy
Diamond linked to a story about the one player the Dodgers signed over slot money in the 2008 draft.

Caseres said the Dodgers wanted to take him in the sixth round of the draft last Thursday but decided not to when he told them he was sticking to his signing bonus demand of $300,000. The New York Yankees also tried to get him to sign for less than his asking price in the fifth round, offering $158,000.

Then, between the draft's first and second days, Caseres dropped his price to $250,000, and the Dodgers scooped him up in the ninth round.

Days later, they offered $258,000, even though it was higher than slot money, and Caseres said little negotiation was required.

2008-07-04 11:30:44
69.   underdog
65 - I checked and both Julia Sweeney, DB Sweeney and Sweeney Todd are doing okay.
2008-07-04 11:30:46
70.   Greg Brock
63 He's not good at baseball. He shouldn't be on the team. Pretty straightforward.

How was Disneyland?

2008-07-04 11:32:42
71.   D4P
I don't see why the following question should serve as a litmus test for determining whether Player X should be kept instead of other players:

Q: Is Player X the reason why the Dodgers are under .500?

2008-07-04 11:38:28
72.   Disabled List
The problem is that Players X, Y, Z, Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Zed are the reasons why the Dodgers are under .500.
2008-07-04 11:40:30
73.   bhsportsguy
I just hate he sucks, let's dump him mentality, so maybe I'm just a softie too.

Disneyland was nice, it seems that with so many people buying annual passes, when you go on days requiring the one that let's you go everyday of the year, less people show up. Add that it was still a work day for a lot of people, it was actually not bad getting on the rides and such.

All that said, only went on a few rides and saw a parade. Will probably go back in a month or so.

2008-07-04 11:42:19
74.   D4P
72
The bigger problem stems from using the team's record as a means of identifying which individual players should stay or go.

I suspect even bhsportsguy doesn't ultimately agree with such a practice, despite apparent evidence to the contrary.

2008-07-04 11:43:41
75.   Bob Timmermann
I think bhsportsguy advocates a holistic approach to roster construction. D4P views the roster in granular terms.
2008-07-04 11:44:14
76.   Greg Brock
The he sucks let's dump him mentality is what made this nation great!

Herbert Spencer and bhsportsguy would not get along very well.

2008-07-04 11:44:30
77.   D4P
I just hate he sucks, let's dump him mentality

Are there any conditions under which you support cutting ties with a player?

I'm starting to get the impression that there aren't...

2008-07-04 11:44:36
78.   Bob Timmermann
75
Did that sound sufficiently academic?
2008-07-04 11:46:03
79.   overkill94
67 as well as for the Blue Jays! He played 8 games there in 2006 which for some reason qualified him as a shortstop in Yahoo leagues that year.
2008-07-04 11:47:58
80.   underdog
I think everyone's right. Sweeney has been terrible this year and really shouldn't be on the team. But by the same token, his suckitude has been an almost negligible percent of what has ailed the Dodgers this season.

Okay, outta here for reals. Enjoy the game. More later!

2008-07-04 11:48:06
81.   JoeyP
Fine, Mark, Mike none of those guys are the reasons why the Dodgers are under .500.

This isnt logical at all.
Every player contributes something to the Dodgers, and either contributes positively or negatively. Mark Sweeney has contributed negatively, would you agree?

Sure, a pinch hitter isnt going to matter as much as a starting player. However, any incremental improvements to the team should be made if possible. By not DFA'ing a guy that definitely deserves it, the GM isnt being fair to someone else in the organization that deserves to be on the 40 man roster.

If you want to move Furcal to the 60-day DL, thats fine. But dont do it in order to keep Mark Sweeney. DFA Sweeney also, and add another more deserving player to the 40-man.

The raise in pay for a minor leaguer to be added to the 40-man roster is quite substantial. Instead of doing the fair thing, Ned is just keeping his old PVL buddies around through a phantom DL.

Its just bad management.

2008-07-04 11:52:19
82.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers would be better off with great bench players like Reggie Willits.

At least he does the "little things."

Or perhaps he just does a few things.

2008-07-04 11:55:37
83.   Bob Timmermann
The Padres had to put Michael Barrett on the DL after he fouled a ball off of his own face while batting. The Padres called up Nick Hundley and he will the Padres FIFTH catcher this year.
2008-07-04 11:58:45
84.   bhsportsguy
81 Deserving, that is probably the least likely reason to add someone to the 40-man roster. Professional baseball players operate in a system that is inherently unfair towards young players.

Once you sign with a team, a team can continually control your rights for a period of no less than 10 years (minors and majors) or maybe 11 or 12 depending on your age when you sign and a couple of other things.

So when teams decide to promote a player to the 40-man roster, it is done for 2 reasons, need or because they have to in order to retain their rights.

It's that simple. Did Justin Orenduff deserve to be on the 40-man roster? Blake DeWitt, NL Rookie of the Month for May, wouldn't be on the 40-man at all had not all of those injuries occurred.

Players may not like that reality but it is what they signed into when they decided to play baseball for money.

2008-07-04 11:59:27
85.   68elcamino427
(48)
Thanks for a great post. Happy Independence day to everyone. I am ever thankful that I was born in the United States and am able to enjoy all that this great country has to offer.
Like a Dodgers vs. Giants contest today. Johnny Roseboro vs. Juan Marichal - the rivalry continues ...
2008-07-04 12:00:28
86.   fanerman
It's not that he sucks, it's that he sucks majorly, to the tune of a -18 OPS+. Sure he doesn't play much, bet every at-bat he has is an automatic out. He's played 3 games on the field. If he can't hit and he doesn't field, how does he help the team? At least Berroa plays a position where the Dodgers need depth at.
2008-07-04 12:03:34
87.   fanerman
"bet" should be "but"
2008-07-04 12:05:49
88.   immouch
booting method:
he sucks (as a major league baseball player) so he should be vanquished

it isn't a bad plan, actually. i wish the dodgers (ie uncle ned) would use it as a precursor to signing players... and, in repko's case, "vanquished" includes an annual salary of $487,500 (per our favorite dodgers site)... anyway, my guess is even if repko doesn't have a mlb career he's gonna be okay in life. he seems like a decent guy and his effort (at least on the field) cannnot be denied. i'm saving my sadness for the truly wretched... like, say, whoever has to clean up after the hot dog eating contest...

2008-07-04 12:07:39
89.   Greg Brock
This is an amazing conversation to have.

The man is so fundamentally terrible at hitting a baseball. When you start with that, I don't see whatever anything else has to do with anything else. It's like discussing the merits of Battlefield Earth a cockroach sandwich or something.

I'm off to do a little birdwatching at the beach. Have a great Fourth of July, everybody.

2008-07-04 12:08:24
90.   D4P
Question for bhsportsguy:

Which player(s) is/are responsible for the Dodgers being under .500?

2008-07-04 12:11:23
91.   Greg Brock
You're my boy, bhsportsguy! You know that!

Alright, I'm out.

2008-07-04 12:11:40
92.   Andrew Shimmin
Battlefield Earth isn't the reason oil is over $140 a barrel.
2008-07-04 12:15:25
93.   overkill94
No line-up yet?
2008-07-04 12:16:10
94.   Daniel Zappala
Brock, agree or disagree: the Declaration of Independence was not actually a formal declaration of independence; it was a propaganda document meant to rally people against the British.
2008-07-04 12:22:27
95.   Eric Enders
Can't it be both? Heck, it was obviously both.
2008-07-04 12:23:36
96.   Bob Timmermann
94
Can I weigh in before I leave?

I say it was both, but Jefferson definitely laid out his reasons for why the colonies needed to bail on the King in a formal manner.

2008-07-04 12:24:04
97.   silverwidow
Gameday:

Kemp, RF
Ethier, LF
Martin, C
Kent, 2B
Jones, CF
Garciaparra, SS
Loney, 1B
LaRoche, 3B
Lowe, P

2008-07-04 12:24:26
98.   overkill94
Yahoo has it finally:

Kemp
Ethier
Martin
Kent
Jones
Nomar
Loney
LaRoche

2008-07-04 12:25:15
99.   overkill94
22 seconds! And I didn't even put in the fancy commas and positions! Or the pitcher for that matter...
2008-07-04 12:25:51
100.   D4P
I don't like the way the new Gameday scoreboards tell you a game is in the top of the 1st inning when it hasn't even started yet.
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2008-07-04 12:26:24
101.   Eric Enders
A most excellent lineup, other than Torre's chronic overestimation of Nomar's hitting ability. The man should bat eighth. Always.
2008-07-04 12:27:39
102.   Dodgers49
7 1-Every game on Channel 9 instead of cable is a game local fans without cable get to see that they otherwise wouldn't.

There are still local fans without cable? :-)

2008-07-04 12:28:15
103.   ToyCannon
You guys know exactly what BH means so quit dumping on him. Sweeney does not get enough ab's to have made any difference in the Dodgers record at this point in time.
You are bright enough boys to figure it out. If Andy Laroche was hitting a buck fifty in a pinch hitting role this thread would be full of excuses for him. Just as they are full of excuses when he doesn't perform against LHP. Small sample size applies to everyone not just your favorites.
The amount of spittle wasted on our 25th player whoever that happens to be at the time is amazin