I will say that Nomar really has never been healthy at 3B since the Dodgers have tried playing him there. Now, it could be just coincidence or that he would be hurt no matter what, but their concern about him playing anywhere but 1B does seem to have some truth behind it.

1 - But that's not really the point. Because they never needed him to play 3B every day. Instead, they used a complete unwillingness to play him at third as an excuse to deny Loney any chance of playing first base a year ago.

Of course Nomar is an injury risk. But he's an injury risk at any position. He got hurt playing first base in 2006, did he not?

tonight also figure-four leg-locks last night's myth that "Arizona's big comeback win = beachball fastballs for their hitters and a long winning streak for the team."

Speaking of Nomar, I read a comment where Torre said he would use Nomar at SS, but not every day. That it "wouldn't be fair to Nomar" to play him there every day.

Can someone help with this comment? What does that mean, wouldn't be fair?

Nomar is under contract. He is old, so it's not like they are trying to protect him ala Kershaw. Get what you can out of him. It's only a couple more months and then he's history. Is it really that much harder (physically) to play SS then say 3rd? Or even 1st? Maybe over 162 games, but there is less then 80.

4 - I think it's just managerspeak. The reality is, rest, at least at this stage, will probably do both Nomar and the team good.

To play off what I wrote in 2 , I think there's reason to question whether Nomar could even DH every day without getting hurt.

Dara Torres is phenomenal! I could see a marathon runner achieving this at age 41, but a sprint swimmer is seemingly impossible. Goodness gracious sakes alive! She competed in the 1984 olympics in Los Angeles.

I just read the Plaschke article as well, and it would be great for someone to debate him considering all of the fluff he puts out. Ironically if his main beef is the Dodgers not going after Scoiscia, whose fault was that? If anything it was top Dodger management.

One other point while Kemp may still be learning on the job he gets better each week, early in the season when other Dodgers besides Furcal were not hitting Kemp was. He also improved significantly in center field when he was subbing for Jones.

If I was into conspiracies between Ned's interview and the Plaschke article I should be concerned, but am hoping that with the Dodgers forced to play the kids and the vets for the next month, people will begin to see how good this team really is.

Can it be that as Eric Byrnes goes, so go the D-Backs?

7 Actually all of Kemp's stats went down when he played CF for Jones.

If any DT's are at the game tomorrow in SF, come by LB 121, row 35. I will have a Dodger hat on. Went to the game last year with the group Underdog organized, it was lots of fun. Hopefully in August or September we can do it again.

5 But rest is all Nomar has had this year. He's had like 85 games of rest. One would think that Nomar would want to play as much as he can given it's his last year and all.

If he needs a day here or there Maza is more then sufficient.

I mean, where does Nomar play if they get Wilson? Please don't tell me he takes over 3rd or 1st? That's even worse then the players they would have to reportedly trade for Wilson.

No, the only spot for Nomar is SS, and he's lucky Furcal is injured or it would be the bench. Let him make the best of the situation.

DePodesta was fired on October 30, 2005.

On July 12, 2004, Mike Scioscia was given a contract extension through the 2007 season and in November of 2005, Scioscia's contract was further extended to 2009.

At what point was DePodesta supposed to engage in contract tampering?

Since I was out of town and I missed the coverage, but was Billingsley's performance during the no-hitter like game by the Angels ever acknowledged?

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Pardon being unclear. You are correct his offense did suffer, but his CF defense seemed to improve

The main requirement for being a sports journalist is the ability to produce readable copy in a short period of time on a daily basis. This skill is infinitely more important than having any kind of insight into what makes a sports franchise succeed. Indeed, if you look you will find that the majority of sportswriters get by with nothing more than a set of received notions that are impervious to evidence. Like most sportswriters, Bill Plaschke's stock in trade is human interest. This is largely because human interest is what engages the common reader. Like many sportswriters Plaschke deludes himself into believing that the values of the human interest story coincide with the factors that make for success in sports. The fact for instance that a talented player of mediocre character is far more valuable to a team than a mediocre player of high character cannot be reconciled with the human interest point of view. Jon, you and Bill Plaschke do not have a disagreement. To paraphrase Scott Adams, ignorance is not a point of view. Bill Plaschke is stupid. He is the man who said the Portland Trailblazers were going to defeat the Lakers because they'd acquired Scotty Pippen. He is the man who said that Pete Carroll would fail as football coach at USC. He is a renaissance idiot. It so happens that being stupid is not a handicap in his line of work as he practices it, so there's no reason why he can't continue to be stupid. They give him awards for it.

11 What seems to be the DT assumption is that someone like Wilson would be necessary if/when Nomar gets hurt. We're all crossing our fingers that he can stay healthy as long as possible, but the raw truth is that he can't be counted on.

Wilson makes sense since he's still under contract for 2009 which would give Hu and DeJesus another year to develop. That being said, I wouldn't give up a whole lot to get him (maybe something like May and Adkins). Although he's a fan favorite in Pittsburgh and doing well at the moment, Pirate management would be dumb to not get something for him while they can.

The 1/2 game deficit that the Dodgers find themselves in tonight is the closest the Dodgers have been to first since April 7th when they were 1 game behind the D-Backs after losing the first game of their series in Arizona.

16 Since then the Dodgers have had to work hard to play to a 38-41 record while the D-Backs have had 2 months of .400 baseball and overall, a 38-42 record, to find the NL West leader under .500 on July 4th.

15 Well I wrote the same thing in the last post in terms of who could/should be given up to acquire someone like Wilson.

But the Rosenthal article, (I know, who trusts him anyway), said that some of the players mentioned in the CC trade are mentioned in a potential deal for Wilson.

The ones mentioned in the CC trade were McDonald, Hu, and LaRoche. I wouldn't trade any of those for Wilson. And I wouldn't include LaRoche for CC either. Can't they just give Andy the 3B job already?

Haven't read one of Plaschke's articles for quit some time.
This one sounds like Tommy Lasorda was a co-author and written before the recent win streak began.
That might help explain reference to Scioscia. The propaganda smokescreen continues unabated.
Blame the young players who are producing (Martn, Kemp, Loney, Ethier) for the play of the older players who have not been producing (Bennett - hurt, Brazoban - hurt, Furcal - hurt, Garciaparra - hurt, Jones - hurt, Kent - until the past two weeks, Loaiza - gone, Penny - hurt, Proctor - hurt, Schmidt - hurt, Sweeney).
Necessity has led Torre to field a line-up that is now scoring runs. A line-up with Kemp batting lead off.
Too much.

Just got back from the fireworks show. I didn't watch any baseball today, but am amazed at some of the scores. 35 runs in one game, that's the Coors Field we all know and love! The Rays won again, 150:1 baby! I don't think Plaschke even deserves a response. It's like responding to potty-talk from a three year old. It's best left ignored and not given any attention. Congrats to Dara, remind her to bring an inhaler and some anti-biotics along. The air is terrible. I doubt it will be cleaned up.
vr, Xei

OK. He knows:

'"The guy for us who changed the momentum was Kuo," said Torre. "He just shut them down."'

[Gurnick]

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Gave me hope (when I reach that age) & I wanted more so read up on her here {http://www.womenshealthmag.com/life/meet-dara-torres}

14 - no, Plashcke believes, it seems to me, that the human interest story coincides with what makes success in sports interesting. Why was Bonds treated so different than say Ripken, McGwire, or Sosa during their runs at history? In large part, because Bonds was a cad, and likely a cheater.

Most people, in real life, work incredibly hard at what they do. They believe that they get by on their work ethic and their talent. They want to root for athletes who also get by on their work ethic and talent, who also happen to show a little bit of gratitude for the opportunity to play a game for several hundred thousand dollars, if not millions.

I'll be honest, I'd prefer to root for a team with 25 Blake DeWitts than 25 Barry Bonds'. I'd also like to root for a winner, and I think that what the Dodgers are going to be winners long term, and they're going to do it with a team that can engage in the human interest trade.

As for Plashcke's previous predictions, they were not out of bounds. Carroll had no prior success in football as a head coach, predicting his continued failure was logical. As for the Blazers, they did take the Lakers to the limit, if I recall - and then imploded for reasons distinct from Scottie Pippen. We've all made predictions that have been way off.

I now have to go have a very, very stiff drink.

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Please tell me when the team of 25 Blake DeWitts comes into town because I want to buy tickets to go see my team to put a beatdown on them.

If you are watching sports to see a team win because of its superior moral character, you are going to be waiting a long time to see that happen.

This post makes me sad, Jon, because you're right. The Dodgers are playing well now, because the right players are, for the most part, being put on the field in the right batting order. But we all know it can't last. Even if the Dodgers win at a .700 clip without Pierre, we all know that the day Pierre returns, Ethier goes to the bench. None of us can trust that Nedco won't trade one of our good young players for a "proven veteran" who "knows how to win" and can "put us over the top."

Just once, I want someone with some actual influence over the club (no offense to you, Jon, and I WISH you had Plaschke's job) to say the right thing in print or on the radio.

.5 games back baby! [in a SNL Frank Sinatra voice]

I haven't seen a Plaschke fisk like that since FireJimTracy.com.

Actually, "fisk" is not the right word. Jon was not condescending, he was measured... heck, he was just Jon. Great stuff and a very good read.

Excuse me, but Plaschke didn't say a team with 25 Blake DeWitts would be interesting, he said they would be in first place. The leading indicator that one has insight into what makes a team win is to predict correctly, not to be spectacularly wrong in a defensible way.

Sportswriters didn't like Bonds because he was a cheater, unlike McGwire? Check. And while sportswriters may not have liked Bonds, would any of them have said he wasn't interesting?

18 I agree that it shouldn't take any of our best prospects to get Wilson, but I think your position takes it to the opposite extreme. At this point, all we could get for Greg Miller would be a pinch-hitter or something. You have to give something to get something and while Wilson isn't exactly a stud, he does have value. May and Adkins aren't really in our long-term plans which is why I wouldn't mind giving them up. LaRoche and McDonald would definitely be off the table, but I might be willing to trade Hu straight up for him.

24 - I'm not watching sports to see a team win because of its superior moral character. I watch sports because, like most things in life, I am intrigued by the human aspect.

A team of cads holds little interest for me, unless they are losing (see the Sacramento Kings, circa 1999).

And c'mon now, you should know I am using the examples of DeWitt and Bonds as extremes. I'd also prefer a team of Many Rameriz's or Vlad Guerreos over a team of Bonds'.

Jon, the point re Kemp at leadoff is that his OBP was .333 coming into today. And be consistent, I mean, the argument that the metrics-heads use is that your memory tends to be rather selective, and so, if we were to posit that Matt gets the job done, well, then why all those 0s and 1s on the board there for a while? Can't say that I know what has happened to Matt so far this year, but his coming-into-today line of .281/.333/.437 does not compare favorably with last year's .342/.373/.521. Also not saying that I expected last year's line to have remained the same or even improved, but that is quite the dropoff.

Oh, and Jon, my real beef with you prior was simply that you used J.D. Drew being the second man thrown out at home to discredit Jeff Kent, i.e., you were comparing supposed baserunning skills and compared Matt's sometimes cluelessness with Kent being 1 of 2 thrown out at home on the same play. Most of the negative emotion re that 2 out at home play is associated with Drew and not Kent. Kent was otherwise simply following the lawful direction of his 3B coach, and I assume that there is a clause in his contract that requires him to do just that. Matt's errors, in contrast, largely tend to be of the careless and not situationally aware variety. Not saying that Matt isn't worth more than Kent, but it isn't really fair to take others to task when you've traveled down that same road.

Oh, and so there is no mistake, Jeff has undergone quite the dropoff as well. Take the two combined and that explains as much as anything else, the why of the current win-loss record. I would suggest that we fill the divide and simply understand and report that unless all do their part...and so perhaps Lord Nelson need signal the fleet.

Lastly, it's easy for you and me to bench Pierre as we aren't the ones paying him the big bucks. Presumably, those paying him the big bucks are going to get their money's worth even if it kills them. It wouldn't be the first time in history, nor the last. Fairly predictable, actually.

Sorry, almost forgot, but Rowand looked okay today, yes? Don't suppose that Ned could make a deal with his former mate and so we give them Pierre and Jones and pay their tickets while we get Rowand and they pay his ticket? Then maybe Fukudome threatens to commit ritual suicide unless he can play with Saito and Kuroda in LA? As I've said before, a man can dream.

And come to think of it, Blake DeWitt is a perfect example of the player as human interest story. Cinderella is one of the most popular stories there is. The problem is, Plaschke imagines the clock will never strike midnight.

Funny, I watch sports because I enjoy seeing my team win.

a buddy of mine who has seen Lambo play compares him to Paul O'Neill

30 - "human aspect" is not quite the right term, perhaps "human experience" is a better phrase.

I've been forced, over the years, to root for Gary Sheffield and Kevin Brown and Jeff Kent and Derek Lowe and a few other players who almost certainly would have tried to beat me up in high school. But if the Dodgers won a Series, I wouldn't care. Winning is the only "human interest" I care about.

Maybe not the ONLY human interest, but it's the pre-eminent one.

I'd like to point out that Andre Ethier is not mentioned once in tonight's L.A Times game story. I was gone all day and night and just caught up on everything that's gone down today. Great win and only a half game back. Incredible that when we go to bed tomorrow night we could be in first place. I'll take that.

Ethier is mentioned in the Dodgers notebook.

32 - time waits for no man. The bell tolls midnight for everyone, from Midnight Graham to Barry Bonds, at some point they aren't good enough to hack it. Nothing wrong with enjoying the ride while it lasts. Nor is there anything wrong with hoping it lasts for a very long time.

36 , 37 - I prefer winning, but not if the cost is the soul of my team. Look at the difference between the Cubs and the Marlins... one team hasn't won for a century, the other has two titles in the last 10 years. Which one generates more fan support and interest? The guys who rented two teams to win titles, or the team that has continually tried to do it "right"?

Oh, and by the way, a team made up of "cads" would be very, very interesting, particularly if they were winning. Not edifying, perhaps, but interesting. One imagines them sitting in the dugout, twirling their mustaches, sardonic glint in their eyes as each hatches his own nefarious scheme . . .

40 - crud, it was Moonlight Graham, not Midnight Graham, huh?

39 - Thanks. Nice of them to throw Ethier a sentence.

Also, Nomar can be very valuable to us as a shortstop. That's the only place he can play without blocking anybody and it won't be hard to improve on Maza and Berroa's offensive efforts. I like him there a lot.

As for Andruw Jones well he sits on Sunday. Put Loney back in the 5 spot. Drop Jones to 7 for tomorrow.

Pee Wee's clutch RBI pinch hit did not go unnoticed.

Fred Lewis is probably going to have to buy his own drink tonight in San Francisco.

The one thing I dont get is how DeWitt could be called a Cinderella story ...Cinderella's don't get $1.2 million signing bonuses. If your gonna use a Cinderella story I think Mike Piazza is more like it.

It would be neat if as many of Dodger Thoughts plentiful commenters (as well as its overseer) could write letters to the Times re: Plaschke's indefensible latest piece of tripe. Granted, those letters don't generally affect much, and the Times probably thinks "controversy sells papers" or whatever, but it would be good to have him even more publicly called out for his nonsense with the kind of facts Jon lays out in this post. Maybe they'd print a letter or two. Maybe he'd even see it. At the least it would at least be cathartic. But the more we counteract at least that will prevent the possible harmful side effects that come from Plaschke Disease.

I hadn't read the print version of the Times in quite some time until this morning and looked forward to seeing the sports section to read about the Dodger win yesterday. While the game report was not anywhere on the front page except for a tease, Plaschke's ludicrous negative and error-laden column was front and center. It's depressing.

Anyway, on a less depressing note... Dodgers win! Let's go for another tomorrow.

The Times has picked their letters for Saturday's paper already and they're online.

A lot of them are about the Clippers and there are a lot of complaints about the Angels lack of offense.

Which apparently shows that Angels fans know the deficiency of their own team a lot more than Plaschke does.

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But you didn't notice how the only young player on the Dodgers that Plaschke likes is the white player?

And the players who have "issues" happen to be not white. That was the most appalling part of the whole column.

I have written extensively about how much my interest in sports in general and the Dodgers in particular depends on my investment in the characters of the team, using character in a "storyteller" sense. I also like to think that I've shown that I care about people doing the right thing.

I have no trouble rooting for Blake DeWitt or being interested in him. I might even be more interested in his story right now than I am in, say, Ethier's.

But that has nothing to do with the Dodgers' ability to win. The thing is, the Dodgers as a unit are also a character. And in fact, I root for the Dodgers to be good on and off the field. Both of those things include playing the players who deserve to play.

I work hard in my career. But if I get beaten, so to speak, I'm not offended if the person who beats me isn't of superior moral fiber. I might not like it, but if he's a better performer, who the heck am I to complain?

I don't see Plaschke in this column showing the level of character (in the moral sense) he demands from the Dodger ballplayers. And honestly, as much as I'd like to see the Dodger ballplayers have character, it's more important that a sportswriter have it.

Btw, as I've said here before, I really like Jack Wilson and thus part of me was pleased to hear the Dodgers were actually interested in him, too, but have mixed feelings based mostly on my doubts about Colletti's ability to trade properly. I would be up for giving up prospects for him, but not top of the line prospects. But let's see how Nomar fares there. I will be rooting for him.

On the other hand the Sabathia rumors make no sense to me. The Dodgers do not need pitching at all. This strikes me as one of those let's make a splashy trade to make a splashy trade situations where the Dodgers could severely blow it, give up top young players for a (very good, no doubt) pitcher they don't need. I hope that's just a Rosenthal rumor-for-the-sake-of-a-rumor and not my trade-for-the-sake-of-a-trade deals.

{worry}

Anyway, night all.

I plan on going to work tomorrow and going up to someone on my staff and saying to them, "You know what you are. You're a librarian!"

I know how to fire up the troops.

40 - Are speaking philosophically, or are we debating whether the current Dodgers have a soul? Because it's not as if the current Dodgers are lacking in humanity. Are they not for the most part a likable group?

47 - He does like Pierre, doesn't he, even if he didn't say it today.

46 Well, people can respond to Plaschke's column any time soon, doesn't have to appear this weekend per se. Write the Times! Show them there are intelligent Dodger fans out there who care.

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Plaschke likes Pierre to the extent that it helps him prove his point about athletes succeeding because of intangible qualities.

And two of the Angel young players he liked were minorities: Maicer Izturis and Erick Aybar.

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I wrote the Times last night around midnight. I was ahead of the game.

47 - Just read the column, his having issues with the non-white players is disgusting, but how much can we read into it? Still, it adds to the level of stupid that we've seen from Plaschke over the years.

I particularly like the part about the Dodgers having a better batting average and on base percentage but scoring fewer runs and losing more games. No analysis needed, no context of the slugging percentage or the built in advantage of the DH.

I also wonder, what it is in the Plaschke world view that suggests that a guy with flashy talent can't be taught the fundamentals.

As far as young Angels having a better understanding of winning, well, it might have something to do with them playing in a weaker division than the Dodgers and, you know, actually getting to play everyday during pennant races.

I believe if you write the Times using a quill pen, on parchment paper, seal it with wax, and deliver via messenger on horseback, they are more likely to respond and print, I'm told.

51 - speaking philosophically. And I do find the current group of Dodgers, with one or two glaring exceptions, to be likable, which is why I really hope to see them succeed together in LA.

Does anyone know who the guest will be on the KABC Sunday radio show this weekend?

One hopeful thing in the Gurnick article on a possible trade for a SS, Ned says with 3 weeks left before the trade deadline, Nomar should have a chance to prove that they don't need to make a trade.

I don't think Kemp has looked good at all in leadoff so far myself to a tune of a .400 OBP and +.800ops in 4 games, all wins.

I'd just like to say in advance that I miss Andy LaRoche and I really wish we hadn't traded him and James McDonald to Pittsburgh for Jack Wilson.

I for one welcome our new Pirate overlords.

60 Please don't say something like that before bedtime. I'm not going to be able to sleep.