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*$475,000 Chad Billingsley
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*$405,000 Eric Stults
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*$1,300,000 Scott Proctor
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*$425,000 Hong-Chih Kuo
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*$400,000 Tony Abreu
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*$600,000 Jason Repko
*$410,000 Delwyn Young
*$400,000 Danny Ardoin
*$400,000 Chin-Lung Hu
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2008-07-30 10:59
by Jon Weisman

Though I'm pressed for time, I wouldn't want to let Tuesday's game pass without congratulating Jason Johnson on his six shutout innings. You can dismiss it as a fluke or as "it was the Giants," but the guy got the job done without any offensive support (the Dodgers scored in the bottom of the sixth), and it mattered. He's had a rugged journey in recent years, and I'm happy for him.

I know the Dodgers are under a lot of pressure with the waiver-free trade deadline approaching Thursday. I'm probably remiss in not acknowledging the benefits of pressure, mainly because I don't like pressure. Pressure can often drive you to positive results. Deadlines can be good. The important thing, though, is to keep your cool. Don't stop thinking. Don't self-defeat.

The bullpen is fine. The pitching is deep. That doesn't mean that there won't be some bad games in there, but perfection isn't an option. (In passing, I just want to tell Brad Penny not to rush back until he's ready – really ready.)

Third base is done for now. The team has made its choice.

There could be improvement in the outfield, but there's nearly $30 million of salary committed to that area, so I'm not sure what more can be achieved this year without causing more problems than are solved. I'm open to ideas.

Shortstop is a rough spot offensively with both Rafael Furcal and Nomar Garciaparra out, but given the absence of available offense at that position, I'd emphasize defense. And I'd note that if Chin-Lung Hu's problems this year were vision-related, as they now seem to have been (he's 15 for 34 at Las Vegas since his return from the disabled list), he needs to be reconsidered. Even if he OPSes .650 in the majors. In the absence of offense, infield defense might be the Dodgers' path to victory.

Keep Danny Ardoin as the backup catcher, but if Delwyn Young is going to be out for longer than two weeks, pursue other cheap but more effective pinch-hitting options for the bench.

Have faith in September. This is a deep organization, and there are guys in the minors who can help out.

Believe in your talent. Patience in the younger players has been paying off, in case you haven't noticed.

If there's a good move to be made, based on factors other than batting average and gamerness, make it.

To us, I say, if the Dodgers make a move, keep a cool head, at least when conversing.

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2008-07-30 11:04:20
1.   Michael Green
What worries me is that tomorrow, Plaschke will have a column on how the Angels are so much better because they made a trade at the deadline. Then Ned will feel compelled to go do something for the sake of doing something, so that he can feel he is appeasing the media.

The Dodgers can win with this team, especially if the bench includes Andruw Jones, at least until he shows that he has regained something approaching his old form (and even then, I would stick with the trio in the OF). As Kemp and Ethier showed last night, the younger guys can hit smart and well.

2008-07-30 11:05:37
2.   fanerman
1 Simers already wrote one today, but I bet Plaschke probably will tomorrow. 2 more days...
2008-07-30 11:07:35
3.   sporky
It was presumptuous of me to do so, but if I point out a NPUT before Jon's NPUT, is that the anti-LAT?
2008-07-30 11:08:04
4.   Alex41592
Just 25 hours and 52 minutes left and it can't get here fast enough.
2008-07-30 11:08:22
5.   fanerman
3 I find it to be good sport to point out NPUT's before Jon does. I don't know if Jon would agree.
2008-07-30 11:09:34
6.   underdog
Thanks Jon, good report.

I agree about SS, if there is no offense upgrade available (without great expense), bring back Hu.

I posted this at end of previous thread;

Thanks Eric and BH, both very helpful (for your posts on the Dodgers FA situation/draft picks).

And to DRatt: Hee. No worries! I figured. (Er, sorry about the teen-car struggles, though.) And that emoticon for Jason Johnson was a crying face. And I guess that jinxed things in his favor. Sorry, JJJ! You pitched great, buddy.

(And I'm with Jon, it's hard not to feel good about Johnson's comeback, even if it's likely short-lived. But you never know - look at Chan Ho.)

2008-07-30 11:10:12
7.   Kuo-fax
Continuing with the questions of free agents departing, I notice nobody has mentioned Nomar. Is this because he isn't even Type B, would be too risky to offer arb or just forgotten? Anyone know?
2008-07-30 11:10:16
8.   cargill06
Jason Johnson, Chan Ho Park, Eric Stults just this year.

Countless others in previous years, you have to think the Dodgers are one of the best teams in the leauge in finding fake pitchers.

2008-07-30 11:10:27
9.   sporky
6 Conversely, look at Stults :|
2008-07-30 11:12:28
10.   ToyCannon
TGFTO
2008-07-30 11:13:05
11.   underdog
Reposting this link -- Jim Callis of BA hosting chat as we speak:

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=21732

I wish they'd go to a CoverItLive type live blogging software instead of that old school way, but whatever. Odds of any of us getting a question answered by him are roughly 1-1000.

2008-07-30 11:14:09
12.   ibleedbloo
631 Thanks Eric. It's also comforting to know that there is no upside to offering Nomar arbitration. Should the Dodgers offer Kent arbitration? It might be bad news if he pulls a Favre.
2008-07-30 11:14:47
13.   bhsportsguy
Actually 25 hours and 54 minutes until the deadline passes.

Here's a question for Canuck, Nate, ToyCannon, and the rest.

Assuming Kershaw gets 8 outs on Friday, who is the Dodgers's best prospect?

Out of the pre-season top ten, only Elbert, Withrow, McDonald and Baez remain eligible and certainly Withrow and Baez have not moved their stock this year.

Certainly, De Jesus, Lambo, Gallagher, Martin, Kyle Russell, Morris now enter the picture but the excitement that surrounded the last few years of Dodger prospects may finally be leveling off after a tremendous 5 year period.

2008-07-30 11:14:50
14.   Eric Stephen
6
On second thought, Blake might end up a Type B. He's going to probably straddle the line between B & A though.
2008-07-30 11:17:23
15.   JoeyP
#1. DeJesus
#2. Lambo
#3. Gallagher
#4. McDonald
#5. Russell
2008-07-30 11:17:47
16.   Bob Timmermann
13
Thanks. If I today were really Thursday, I'd be in big trouble.
2008-07-30 11:18:32
17.   Bluebleeder87
I agree we definitely need to give Hu a legit shot.
2008-07-30 11:20:15
18.   dzzrtRatt
What's the chance we can keep Park after this season? Of all the Dodgers poor-to-middling reclamation projects over the past few years, Park's stands out as a complete success. I think he's legit, and can probably sustain another two years at this level of productivity if he doesn't get hurt. I don't want him pitching for someone else next year, especially not in our division.
2008-07-30 11:21:17
19.   CanuckDodger
13 -- Elbert will be our top prospect once Kershaw loses his eligibility, in my way of thinking..
2008-07-30 11:21:36
20.   Eric Stephen
7
Nomar barely qualified as a Type B last season, and that included his fine 2006 campaign. The rankings are based on the trailing two years stats, so for this upcoming offseason 2007-2008 stats will be used and I would guess Nomar doesn't come close to Type B status.

If he's not a Type A or B free agent, there is no reason to offer him arbitration since there's no compensation. If the club wants him back, they can simply negotiate with him when he becomes a free agent.

2008-07-30 11:22:00
21.   underdog
15 - Top 4 seems about right. Elbert should be in the top 6 or 7, no? Josh Bell up in top 10. Yeah, definitely a weakened group compared to recent years but it could move back up pretty soon.
2008-07-30 11:22:26
22.   underdog
Er, top 4-5, I meant.
2008-07-30 11:26:09
23.   Bluebleeder87
you guys have to under stand that Park is to legit to legit to quit...
2008-07-30 11:27:28
24.   regfairfield
13 Off the top of my head...

McDonald, Elbert, Lambo, Gallagher, DeJesus then it gets way more confusing. Just consider the source of this opinion.

2008-07-30 11:28:41
25.   Jon Weisman
18 - The chances are good he'll stick, but it's not something to get stressed about.
2008-07-30 11:29:25
26.   Bob Timmermann
I believe that Chan Ho Park means "Rudy Seanez" in Korean.
2008-07-30 11:30:58
27.   silverwidow
1. Scott Elbert
2. James McDonald
3. Ivan DeJesus Jr.
4. Ethan Martin
5. Andrew Lambo
2008-07-30 11:34:08
28.   Kevin Lewis
Rudy's K/BB ratio took a major dive
2008-07-30 11:34:22
29.   CanuckDodger
24 -- You mention five of my top 6 right now.
2008-07-30 11:36:17
30.   Sushirabbit
I "heart" Russell Martin.

The only time I feel like an LA guy (and I'm really not) is when the Dodgers play the Giants. Staying up late is brutal. But I have to do it. Thank God my wife understands.

Since Vin clearly reads this, I just want to say how much I appreciate his "On this day..." reports.

2008-07-30 11:36:29
31.   Sagehen
I agree that Hu deserves another shot. It needs to be a success, though, if the Dodgers are going to allow him take over the job full-time, so a little bit more development time in August won't hurt him. If Furcal and Nomar are still hurting in September, though, I will be gravely disappointed if Hu doesn't get a shot.

That said, I'd like to see Hu up now just for the defense that he brings. It's not likely, though, because, if I'm not mistaken, Berroa and Ozuna are out of options -- not that we'd run any risk of losing Berroa if we sent him down, or that it would be any loss if we did. But I doubt management thinks that way.

If Nomar goes on the DL, Hu could be called up to replace him, but Berroa and Ozuna will still be on the team for those reasons.

I think we probably need a decent pinch hitter more than we need Hu up. He's not on the 40 man roster, but I'd be tempted to give Lindsey a chance, given the season he's had. There's Tiffee when he gets back from the Olympics (also necessitating a 40 man roster move). Even Repko would be worth trying over Jones and Sweeney at this point. Our bench pinchhitting option is LaRoche, but I don't have a problem with him getting some regular playing time to get his bat hot again.

Sorry for the long rambling post here. I want Hu. I want a decent pinchhitter. Sending down the seldom used Troncosco would allow both.

2008-07-30 11:37:33
32.   Jon Weisman
26 - exactly.
2008-07-30 11:39:12
33.   Bluebleeder87
26 if Park maintains that velocity he definitely is not Seanez.
2008-07-30 11:42:03
34.   Eric Stephen
20
I should add that the arbitration / FA rules have changed in the last couple of years. As recently as 2004, if a club didn't offer arbitration to a free agent by early December (the deadline date is different each year), the club could not sign said player until May (I always forget if it was May 1 or May 15).

The Dodgers tried to come to terms with playoff winner Jose Lima after his 2004 campaign, but the sides could not strike a deal before the arbitration deadline. The Dodgers then declined arbitration and Lima ended up signing with KC.

Covered by Jon here: http://tinyurl.com/5z7jer

Now clubs can negotiate with a FA even if they don't offer arbitration.

2008-07-30 11:42:14
35.   Sagehen
Given that Park's only success has been with the Dodgers, I think he is motivatated to stay here if at all possible. Unless Ned does something stupid and completely lowballs him, I think Park stays.
2008-07-30 11:43:24
36.   Bob Timmermann
The NFL is getting rid of the "forceout" rule for receivers on sideline plays.

Get both feet down or it doesn't count.

2008-07-30 11:43:46
37.   regfairfield
33 Rudy Seanez was throwing really hard for the Dodgers.
2008-07-30 11:43:53
38.   old dodger fan
Interesting stats

Angels 66-40 Scored 480; given up 437; +43 runs

A's 53-53; scored 446; given up 404; +42 runs

2008-07-30 11:46:10
39.   silverwidow
Tracy Ringolsby has another anti-Dodger article up at Foxsports.com.

Stupid agendas.

2008-07-30 11:46:28
40.   Jon Weisman
36 - They've narrowed the playing field!
2008-07-30 11:47:18
41.   standuptriple
They looked primed for a 1st round playoff exit, assuming they even make it in.
2008-07-30 11:47:43
42.   Eric Stephen
Dodger-related question from the Jim Callis chat:

>>>who has more upside potential? who is more likely to be a productive regular? LaRoche, DeWitt, or Brandon Wood?

Jim Callis: (2:31 PM ET ) LaRoche.<<<

2008-07-30 11:48:03
43.   cargill06
36 if they're trying to get rid of the "grey area" calls, maybe they should give a defenitive defenition of what a hold is.
2008-07-30 11:50:16
44.   Bob Timmermann
43
According to the NFL, the situation came up just 18 times all of last season.

So the NFL just wants to make the out of bounds definitions simpler. Forceouts weren't subject to review.

I remember when the NBA had a "forceout" rule. Those were the days.

2008-07-30 11:51:27
45.   Eric Stephen
44
I wish I followed the NBA when the "3 to make 2" free throw rule was in place. That just sounds bizarre.
2008-07-30 11:51:34
46.   cargill06
Brendan: kershaw, price, or bumgarner?

Jim Callis: (2:49 PM ET ) Kershaw.

2008-07-30 11:53:20
47.   Bumsrap
Before I heard about Hu's vision problems I thought that Hu could come back after getting 50 at bats in Vegas. Now that perhaps most of his problem might have been eyesight, I think he should be brought back as soon as Nomar's status is known.

Nomar will make a great pinch hitter. If Nomar goes on the DL, Hu would have time to show if he can replace Berroa or Ozuna.

2008-07-30 11:53:46
48.   Marty
Playing basketball as a kid, whenever we were touched anywhere near the out of bounds line we'd yell FORCE OUT!

Just in case...

2008-07-30 11:54:54
49.   Bluebleeder87
Park & Seanez come from totally different baseball back grouds... I respectfully disagree.

Career starter
Career reliever

2008-07-30 11:55:22
50.   KG16
38 - there's a hundred different conclusions one could draw from that data point.
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2008-07-30 11:55:36
51.   Bob Timmermann
45
That was what you got when you were fouled when shooting and your team was in the bonus.
2008-07-30 11:56:06
52.   old dodger fan
45 It didn't seem any stranger than one and one.
2008-07-30 11:56:18
53.   Flonne
31

I believe Hu's bat is for real and he is a bonafide starter at shortstop. Sickels, Goldstein, Law, Neyer, and Callis said the same thing regarding to Hu. The thing is will management believe that the one month trial earlier in the season was indicative or an aberration of future performance. ( It's most likely the latter).

2008-07-30 11:56:46
54.   sporky
26 Chan Ho Park can actually mean 'cold pumpkin.' The guy had a pumpkin-flavored ice cream bar named after him.
2008-07-30 11:57:16
55.   Eric Stephen
This Callis excerpt sounds like a Keith Law chat:

>>>Jason (Birmingham MI): Edgar Renteria or a parking meter with a bat taped to it?

Jim Callis: (2:50 PM ET ) The parking meter might have more range, too.<<<

2008-07-30 11:57:25
56.   Sac Town Dodger Fan
Dont stop thinking. Don't Self-defeat

Great post, but are you sure you want Ned thinking? See Jones, Pierre, Schmidt etc. for Coletti "thinking."

2008-07-30 12:00:49
57.   Sagehen
53
Logan: aberration
Ned: indicative
Who will win the front-office debate? Hu's future depends upon the answer.

(I'm leaving Torre out of this because I have no idea how he would come in on this -- I still like to believe he can be a good manager for these kids)

2008-07-30 12:02:24
58.   JayB
An observation: in the few games when Ardoin is in the line-up, and with the weak offense by any of the Dodger shortstops other than Garciapara, it seems like it is almost always a 1,2,3 out inning. Any comments on juggling the line-up a bit. For instance, moving Pierre to the 8th spot on those occasions???
2008-07-30 12:02:46
59.   Jon Weisman
48 - Totally.
2008-07-30 12:05:23
60.   68elcamino427
Just rushing in and out -

Great Post Jon - You are all over it.

Hope the Dodgers win again tonight.

2008-07-30 12:08:31
61.   ToyCannon
13
DeJesus, McDonald, Elbert, Lambo, Josh Bell, Austin Gallagher, Morris, Watt, Jensen

Picking look slim but we do have Hu, LaRoche, and DeWitt who lost eligibility cooling their heels in AAA so it is not as bad as it looks.

We have yet to see Withrow or Martin so they might be better then any of them but at some point Withrow has to throw some innings.

After Carlos Santana, Victor Garate was my favorite story this summer and I'm curious how he does in the Cal League. Could be a late blooming lefty. I still like Pedroza.

2008-07-30 12:09:24
62.   cargill06
*Steve (Las Vegas): Andrew Lambo... regular? backup? worse?

Jim Callis: Regular.*

2008-07-30 12:09:36
63.   Bluebleeder87
so watch Park blow us all away & bust a Saito surca a few years back.

I can dream can't I.

2008-07-30 12:09:49
64.   Doctor
Yankee broadcasters just mentioned that the Dodgers were looking at Brian Roberts in a trade, didn't say for whom.
2008-07-30 12:11:57
65.   Gilberto Reyes
I am in favor of the Dodgers standing pat at the trade deadline. I think the Angels move to acquire Texeira actually helped the Dodgers save their future. Arizona's offer to Atlanta appeared to be the best for the Braves until the Angels stepped up and offered Kotchman. If the D-Backs would have picked up Tex, I think Colletti would have been pressured to respond. A bad move like Jack Wilson for LaRoche would have been the likely result.
2008-07-30 12:13:38
66.   ToyCannon
Management has now seen Berroa perform exactly to expectations. If they feel that is better then Hu, because of one month of putridness then you have to question the decision making abilities of our management. Other then rust, Hu should be here right now and Berroa should be getting ready for winter baseball.
2008-07-30 12:15:35
67.   Kevin Lewis
Wow, Simers really likes to look at the situation without the proper context.
2008-07-30 12:16:22
68.   underdog
Roberts has been mentioned earlier this week, in rumors. Not sure if they have new info or are just quoting previous rumors. (I wouldn't mind Roberts replacing Kent, frankly, and even more so next year, but once again that old refrain: Am scared as to what the Dodgers would have to give up for him.)
2008-07-30 12:16:50
69.   Sagehen
With the pickings now a little slim, I have to ask this: Is the Logan Mystique all about two or so good drafts when he first started?

I'm running for cover as I ask, but it is an honest question. I am still a Logan fan.

2008-07-30 12:17:48
70.   ToyCannon
Canuck - what is the story with Luis Ferreras pitching in AA. They couldn't promote someone from the Cal league, they had to snag this 18 year old?
2008-07-30 12:18:06
71.   underdog
39 Ringolsby is always anti-Dodger it seems to me so I won't take him too seriously. In fact, I can't even bring myself to read it. Anyone got the Clif's Notes?
2008-07-30 12:19:19
72.   fanerman
66 Management wasn't expecting anything beyond Mendoza Line performance?
2008-07-30 12:20:05
73.   MC Safety
I wonder what it would take to get Brian Roberts.
2008-07-30 12:20:07
74.   underdog
69 Others will want to chime in but from what I can tell, it's more a matter of timing at this very moment. A lot of the fruits of his labor are now being productive on the Dodgers, with a few others very close by in Vegas. Then a few are injured or recovering from injuries. And plenty more are just too young to be close to impact yet. It's sort of a lull period that doesn't prove much against him, imho. But we'll see how these last two draft classes fare in the next couple of years.
2008-07-30 12:21:12
75.   OhioBlues12
71 - Samething we have heard a million times. Angels claiming superiority in So. Cal, Angels making bold moves, Dodgers all talk, blah blah blah.
2008-07-30 12:22:35
76.   Kevin Lewis
Interesting to see the Blue Jays dugouts are just about field level with no protection in front (as far as I can tell)

That seems to be asking for some injuries.

2008-07-30 12:22:35
77.   underdog
Meanwhile, the Minneapolis Star Tribune's Joe Christensen, who is normally fairly reliable, writes this:
>>If the Twins trade for a second baseman to replace the injured Alexi Casilla, it won't be Baltimore's Brian Roberts, according to a person familiar with the situation.

The Twins talked to the Orioles about Roberts last winter, but this month, the O's have told teams he's not available.<<

http://tinyurl.com/669gps

2008-07-30 12:22:41
78.   ToyCannon
69
Legitimate question. No one can live up to those drafts but has he done okay since then relative to his peers and his draft position?
2006 is looking good when you consider Kershaw. 2007 has Lambo who looks like a steal compared to where he was drafted. Watt has come on like gangbusters.
It will be a good exercise this winter to look at it in more detail. He certainly is not shooting blanks.
2008-07-30 12:23:54
79.   thinkblue0
you're right about pitching, but the OF could use work. Why not see if we can package say Eithier and Laroche for Jason Bay? Then DFA Jones. Sure, we eat the salary but his spot in the lineup kills us.

Outfield of Bay, Pierre and Kemp? Definitely an upgrade.

2008-07-30 12:24:54
80.   Jon Weisman
71 - The Dodgers think they're so great. They think they can throw payroll at a problem and solve it. Well, they're wrong. And by the way - they need to make a move!
2008-07-30 12:24:55
81.   SevenNineSixtyFive
Jon -

Since I took the time to call out your last post, I want to commend you on this one. Measured and spot on, I thought, in every regard.

And as someone who's dealt with the whole diabetes/insulin thing, I'm even more impressed by what Johnson accomplished - in this game and throughout his career. In a way, I would think it's even tougher to handle the pressures of relieving than starting, though, which is what he was doing before last night. For instance, if I know I'm going to go on a run, I can adjust by upping the carb intake and/or decreasing insulin intake before hand. I've never had a pump - thank god - but the issues are the same whether the insulin is delivered through a pump or self-injected. Heavy exercise simulates/stimulates insulin in the body (which it does depends on your reserves) so that if you don't adjust your insulin (downward) and carbs (upward), you can have a dangerous "down" (low blood sugar), and actually pass out or worse.

Which means you can plan for a start. But being in the bull pen would be much tougher. I would have to think that he prepares for each game as if he's going to play, and then - if he doesn't - either works out for an hour or so after the game, or increases his insulin intake at that point. Or both. (Otherwise, assuming that he upped his carbs and/or decreased his insulin, he might end up with a high blood sugar count.)

I'm hopeful about the team as well - and even more hopeful for cool heads. It's a funny thing about the uncertainty of the Dodger front office - one has to wonder after a while if, despite how much one may disagree with his actions and/or philosophy, Coletti is to blame, or if the true origins of that uncertainty lie higher up.

2008-07-30 12:25:17
82.   ToyCannon
I would enjoy seeing Brian Roberts playing 2nd base for the Dodgers either this year or next year but I'd rather just sign Mark Ellis then trade for Roberts.
2008-07-30 12:27:44
83.   ToyCannon
I just like to see the old journeyman succeed when everyone expects disaster. Since Bob lost Maza as his favorite Dodger he can now turn his affection toward JJ.
2008-07-30 12:31:07
84.   underdog
80 Gack. Glad I skipped it.

Is there a place to post comments/feedback there?

81 Thanks for adding personal insight on the diabetes thing. I have friends in the same situation and I'm always impressed with how they handle it - and impressed with the new technology they have now which makes it easier to deal with. And that was yet another reason I've been pulling for Johnson. (And another reason I'm rooting even harder for Jay Cutler this season.)

2008-07-30 12:31:25
85.   Sagehen
81 Thanks. That explains quite nicely why the Dodgers moved Johnson into the rotation as quickly as possible, even though there were other candidates (Park in particular), who were doing quite well there. Needing Park for the 7th inning just hasn't struck me as enough of an explanation.
2008-07-30 12:33:02
86.   Sagehen
74, 78. Thanks for responding. I will look forward to such an analysis this winter.
2008-07-30 12:34:47
87.   CanuckDodger
70 -- About Ferreras pitching in Jacksonville, if they needed an emergency pitcher it makes sense that it would be somebody from the GCL team, as those players would be in the same state as Jacksonville -- can't really fly in somebody from the other side of the country to "fill in" for a couple of innings. Why the 18-year-old Ferreras got picked to be that guy, when there are some older pitchers on the GCL team, I can only think he is exceptionally polished for his age. I believe two years ago the 18-year-old Steven Johnson got in a few innings with Jacksonville too, when Jacksonville needed an extra arm.
2008-07-30 12:35:19
88.   MC Safety
82 I read McPhail wanted to get a young SS out of Sherril nut was unsuccessful. If that applied to Roberts also, we should almost certainly be in mix offering Hu or Ivan Jr.
2008-07-30 12:37:46
89.   underdog
85 I'm sort of guessing here, but I think they like Park in long relief and haven't wanted to push it too much with him getting too many starts. I would think they feel the same about Kuo, who has been unbelievably good in relief, so why muck with it. But having Johnson do well just gives the Dodgers now 3 solid options for starting + long relief, which is more than a lot of teams have.
2008-07-30 12:39:24
90.   okdodge
Just got tickets to watch the 51's play in OKC on Friday night. I'll give an update on Saturday.
2008-07-30 12:39:37
91.   Jon Weisman
Plaschke has a 48-second video up at the Times called "Dodgers, it's your turn."

It's everything you expect, except he talks in one paragraph.

2008-07-30 12:39:53
92.   Bluebleeder87
anyways... I really hope Hu gets a serious look at short and doesn't get the La Roche, Betemit and Aybar treatment. Veremos.
2008-07-30 12:40:28
93.   ssjames
69 In order to properly evaluate, you need to look at what you expect out of a draft generally. A good draft would give you two major league contributors as a rule. More than that is great and one is sort of average. When you look at the drafts in question with Logan here is what you see for possible/probable major league contributors:

2002: James Loney, Johnathan Broxton, Delwyn Young, Russell Martin, Eric Stults (Possibles Greg Miller, Zach Hammes).

2003: Chad Billingsley, Matt Kemp, Andy LaRoche, Travis Denker [traded] (Xavier Paul, Lucas May)

2004: Scott Elbert, Blake Dewitt, Justin Ordenduff, Cory Wade (Justin Ruggiano)

2005: Ivan Dejesus, Josh Bell, John Meloan (Steven Johnson)

2006: Clayton Kershaw, Bryan Morris (Kyle Orr, Preston Mattingly, Jaime Ortiz)

2007: Chris Winthrow, Michael Watt, Austin Gallagher, Andew Lambo, Justin Miller, Jaime Pedroza, Bobby Blevins, Timothy Sexton.

Now obviously looking at that list of players who either are or could substantially develop into major leaguers, I would say it is fair to say that Logan is still doing a great job.

The issue is that several players are just over the prospect limit, but have not really been integrated into the team yet which hurts when just ranking players who qualify as prospects.

Such players include Kershaw, LaRoche, Hu and Dewitt. If those were the top 4 with rest making up the top 10 we would say that we have a great system which is closer to the truth.

2008-07-30 12:42:49
94.   Sagehen
89 That does seem to be a huge difference this year. In the past, when the starting pitcher had a bad night, that was it. Grady used to drive me nuts, not letting any reliever go more than two innings. This year, though, when the starter has an off night, a long reliever comes in and keeps the Dodgers in the game without blowing through the entire bullpen. Is it a difference between how Grady and Torre handle the pitching staff? Or is that this year, the Dodgers have some quality long relievers. Hmmm. I tend to think it's both. Park and Kuo are certainly a huge improvement over Hendrickson.