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Kershaw XII: Kerdyshawck
2008-08-07 11:10
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Be the ball, Clayton ...

(This does not constitute an endorsement of ceaseless quotes from this film or a debate of the film's merits.)

* * *

Dodgers at Cardinals, 11:15 a.m.

Comments (291)
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2008-08-07 11:15:09
1.   Tripon
Apparently, there is a baseball game going on.
2008-08-07 11:15:52
2.   underdog
How about another quote from Airplane! instead? (paraphrasing) "I just want to tell you good luck (Clayton). We're all counting on you."
2008-08-07 11:16:42
3.   underdog
Yep, and Juan Pierre's already out.
2008-08-07 11:17:45
4.   underdog
And Kemp's still batting.
2008-08-07 11:17:59
5.   Greg Brock
It does is consitute an endorsement of a smattering of jokes from the movie?

No?

Okay.

2008-08-07 11:18:26
6.   larry slimfast
Not a good AB by Pierre. I don't care who starts anymore, I just want a big winning streak - however it happens.

Can we say 'nanananananah' during K'shaw's strike three pitches?

2008-08-07 11:19:22
7.   Eric Stephen
2
You forgot to follow that up with the same quote a few minutes later.
2008-08-07 11:19:49
9.   UVaDodger
Random Question:

Does BABIP factor in foul pop ups, or are they too statistically insignificant to worry about?

2008-08-07 11:20:23
10.   underdog
Tripon, how about a double with nobody on instead?
2008-08-07 11:20:36
11.   Eric Stephen
5
Not sure how Clayton measures himself with other pitchers, but...

Kershaw - 6'3"
Lohse - 6'2"

2008-08-07 11:21:13
12.   D4P
The Gameday dot for Kent's hit is in a weird spot for a ground-rule double...
2008-08-07 11:22:04
13.   goofus
I know it's Rosenthal (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8419620?MSNHPHMA) but I still like it when he says Pierre can clear Waivers and the dodgers would only have to pay half his salary ($15,000,000) to get some team to take him. If I were the Dodger owner, I'd be all over that. He mentions other players that can be had. I wouldn't mind picking up Randy Winn (at least he'd quit hurting us) IF we didn't already have more outfielders than concession servers in the stadium. Come to think of it, we could utilize Pierre running up and down the aisles selling ice cream, and Andruw drawing beers. He looks like he's had a lot of practice...
2008-08-07 11:22:17
14.   UVaDodger
Manny Ramirez, clogging the bases.
2008-08-07 11:22:30
15.   underdog
Stupid "unintentional" intentional walks.

7 Wait for it...

2008-08-07 11:22:53
16.   Eric Stephen
9
Yes, any foul outs are counted as balls in play.
2008-08-07 11:24:17
17.   underdog
Good job James!
2008-08-07 11:24:29
18.   Greg Brock
Not a double play!
2008-08-07 11:24:46
19.   larry slimfast
nice piece of hitting by the lone star
2008-08-07 11:25:08
20.   underdog
Way to go the other way with it. They're making Lohse throw a lot of pitches to start too. Which is nice.
2008-08-07 11:25:19
21.   Eric Stephen
Loney scores Kent!

BTW, Kent's double was near the wall, the good side!

2008-08-07 11:26:28
22.   underdog
That was a terrible strike three call. Whatever.
2008-08-07 11:26:48
23.   larry slimfast
Lone Star! - he's from Texas isn't he?
2008-08-07 11:27:05
24.   Eric Stephen
Blake gets nothing, and likes it!
2008-08-07 11:28:23
25.   okdodge
Who knew Cesar Izturis was a career below .300 OBP guy? That's bad.
2008-08-07 11:29:28
26.   D4P
Izturis leading off? Geez.
2008-08-07 11:29:46
27.   Eric Stephen
25
[raises hand]
2008-08-07 11:29:57
28.   underdog
I'm sure I'll jinx it, but talk about a black hole... 6-9 for the Cards today...
2008-08-07 11:30:23
29.   underdog
6-1, I should say.
2008-08-07 11:30:55
30.   underdog
Siddown! Grab some pine!

{opens door} "I just want to tell you good luck (Clayton). We're all counting on you."

2008-08-07 11:31:01
31.   Eric Stephen
Don't worry, Joe Mather. Kershaw has sent batters far younger than you back to the dugout. Didn't want to do it; he felt he owed it to them.
2008-08-07 11:31:37
32.   Greg Brock
31 You are playing with fire.
2008-08-07 11:32:07
33.   underdog
I think Pujols makes Kershaw nervous.
2008-08-07 11:32:16
34.   D4P
This game bodes well for Kershaw's best game of the year thus far.
2008-08-07 11:33:58
35.   underdog
How was that not a strike? Oh... mutter...
2008-08-07 11:34:18
36.   UVaDodger
33 Pujols makes me nervous.
2008-08-07 11:35:16
37.   regfairfield
29 I'd throw Mather in there too.
2008-08-07 11:38:44
38.   JoeyP
Dont walk the bases loaded.
2008-08-07 11:39:58
39.   bhsportsguy
Mandatory tough 1st inning.
2008-08-07 11:39:59
40.   underdog
Well done, Clayton.

I think he's just going to walk Pujols and Ludwick each time.

2008-08-07 11:40:06
41.   Eric Stephen
Whew. I guess the Cardinals will have to continue beating themselves.
2008-08-07 11:45:05
42.   JoeyP
Glaus had a couple bad swings on the 3-0 count tuesday & that 3-1 pitch.
2008-08-07 11:45:25
43.   underdog
Lohse, you were ardoined!
2008-08-07 11:45:26
44.   bhsportsguy
40 Lowe would have been better off just walking Pujols and Ludwick yesterday..
2008-08-07 11:45:53
45.   JoeyP
Consecutive IBB's with the bases loaded?
2008-08-07 11:46:30
46.   underdog
Man, he looked safe at second. They always call that out though.
2008-08-07 11:46:30
47.   Greg Brock
At least we cleared the leadoff spot for next inning.
2008-08-07 11:46:57
48.   underdog
And then there's Pierre.

I hope I get to see Ethier starting tomorrow night when I'm there in person.

2008-08-07 11:46:59
49.   D4P
Pierre can take a pitch.
2008-08-07 11:47:28
50.   still bevens
Professional at bat (tm)
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2008-08-07 11:48:38
51.   ssjames
Does anyone think that if we bought Torre a subscription to BP that he would actually read and come to his senses vis-a-vis Pierre? That article yesterday explained the whole problem we are facing.
2008-08-07 11:49:31
52.   Doctor
It's not the actual 20 foot dribbler, its the perceived threat of the 20 foot dribbler that makes Pierre so effective.
2008-08-07 11:49:45
53.   bhsportsguy
44 I say that in part in jest.

In some strange almost mysterious way, Juan Pierre is almost begging to not play.

History has shown that despite statistical evidence showing that unless he has a high OBP, JP does not do enough other things to warrent his playing time, in his whole career, managers have continued to play him.

But now, I am observing what has to be basically pouting. Which goes against everything you heard about him.

2008-08-07 11:49:59
54.   Jon Weisman
Did Pierre try to bunt for a hit with two out and the pitcher on first base? Or is Gameday misleading me?
2008-08-07 11:50:29
55.   Eric Stephen
52
Excellent. Just what the Doctor ordered.
2008-08-07 11:50:50
56.   Eric Stephen
54
Gameday is not misleading you.
2008-08-07 11:51:29
57.   jdbeauchamp
Vinny must be the only announcer on Fox Sports who never has to pitch the channel's "Best D--- Sports Show Period."

I assume he has refused on professional or moral grounds. Anyone with a take on this?

Nice half inning, kid.

2008-08-07 11:51:30
58.   underdog
51 I've started to get the feeling that he may be coming to his senses re Pierre anyway, today's start notwithstanding. Maybe everyone in the universe remind him he sucks plus Pierre's public whining has made him see the light. But Ethier got the last two starts. We'll see what happens in SF. If Ethier starts 2 of 3, that's a sign.
2008-08-07 11:52:31
59.   underdog
54 Shouldn't that get him publicly reprimanded and traded to Pittsburgh, or is that just what happens to LaRoches?

GREAT 2nd inning for The Minotaur, though.

2008-08-07 11:52:36
60.   Eric Stephen
53
I know Simers is being Simers, but today's quote, "to his credit [Jones] has never turned nasty or become sullen and unapproachable like Juan Pierre" was pretty much the first media attack on Pierre's formerly spotless character.
2008-08-07 11:53:19
61.   Eric Stephen
57
George Grande on Reds broadcasts refuses to say the "Damn" part all the time.
2008-08-07 11:53:31
62.   underdog
Darnit, I have to go on a conference call in a few mins. Guess I'll keep one eye on the game, quietly for awhile.
2008-08-07 11:54:11
63.   underdog
Now our real lead off hitter is up.

In a way our line-up is like the Cards - pitcher, and then the #9 hitter. Sort of.

2008-08-07 11:55:23
64.   underdog
On the other hand... the Bison didn't look too good to end that at bat.
2008-08-07 11:55:35
65.   Eric Stephen
Kent used to be something before electricity.
2008-08-07 11:56:29
66.   Jon Weisman
53 - The thing is, the pouting isn't new anymore. We've seen signs of it ever since last October.

That doesn't render him a worthless human being, but it should make him a little less sainted.

2008-08-07 11:56:45
67.   underdog
Kent looks more like Kent today.
2008-08-07 11:57:02
68.   Greg Brock
Well that was nice.
2008-08-07 11:57:03
69.   Eric Stephen
65
My reverse jinx worked!
2008-08-07 11:57:22
70.   Doctor
MANny
2008-08-07 11:57:32
71.   MonkeyBlue
I love Manny.
2008-08-07 11:57:34
72.   thinkblue88
Manny being Manny.
2008-08-07 11:57:37
73.   surfing slug
ManRam!
2008-08-07 11:57:54
74.   Eric Stephen
Au revoir, baseball!
2008-08-07 11:57:59
75.   cargill06
lord almighty
2008-08-07 11:58:01
76.   jdbeauchamp
Kudos to Jeff for distracting the pitcher so Manny could make ball go far.
2008-08-07 11:58:03
77.   UVaDodger
What does that raise Manny's OPS to? 2.000?
2008-08-07 11:58:10
78.   Michael D
It's nice to have a good feeling whenever a Dodger comes up to bat like I do when Ramirez comes up. Every time he comes up, while like Lyons just said I just have to watch his AB every time.
2008-08-07 11:58:58
79.   GMac In The 909
ManRam's push to lead the Dodgers in home runs continues.
2008-08-07 11:59:51
80.   bhsportsguy
If I was a Red Sox fan, I would be really annoyed.
2008-08-07 12:00:05
81.   Eric Stephen
More importantly, Manny has now passed Gary Bennett in PA.
2008-08-07 12:00:31
82.   JayB
Joe has found his new #3 hitter!
2008-08-07 12:00:35
83.   DaDoughboy
really Manny?
2008-08-07 12:00:43
84.   Jon Weisman
60 - You mean since the day before?
2008-08-07 12:00:54
85.   scareduck
Well, come in late to the game and look what happens.

Now, let's see if Kershaw can miss Pujols' bat with the bases loaded. Or even without.

2008-08-07 12:01:10
86.   thinkblue88
Maybe Kent is the right guy to be batting third with Manny behind him. Sort of how he batted in front of Bonds back in his SF days.
2008-08-07 12:01:11
87.   underdog
Is it acceptable for a grown man to type or say "hehehehehehe!" after that home run? 'cause that's what I felt like doing. God bless that long haired freak of nature.

Okay, off to a meeting, with a smile on my face.

2008-08-07 12:01:40
88.   Jon Weisman
77: 1.905
2008-08-07 12:01:51
89.   Eric Stephen
77
Not quite. Manny is at 1,905 as a Dodger, .619/.667/.1.238.
2008-08-07 12:02:10
90.   Terry A
84 - Finally, a hero for all of us. A man committed to using his powers for good instead of eeee-vil. T.J. Simers, we salute you!
2008-08-07 12:02:22
91.   cargill06
77 1.904.... hopefully he can keep it up
2008-08-07 12:03:23
92.   Eric Stephen
84
You mean since the day before?

Yep. I guess I grouped both Simers pieces together.

2008-08-07 12:03:30
93.   ssjames
I would love to see Manny get over 2.000 and get a single that would actually drop his OPS. How ridiculous is this. Marlon Byrd better watch out, because his position as Dodgers' career OPS leader is in jeopardy.
2008-08-07 12:03:34
94.   bhsportsguy
86 Kent usually batted 4th behind Bonds.
2008-08-07 12:03:53
95.   The Dude Abides
Pierre is teh suck. Manny's dreads getting into his eyes on that home-run swing (and Lyons pointing it out) was teh awesome.
2008-08-07 12:04:10
96.   UVaDodger
89 I thought it was something like that. I'm convincing myself that he will keep this up for the rest of the year. And the next three years if we re-sign him.

I am probably delusional.

2008-08-07 12:04:16
97.   Doctor
This isn't Marlon Anderson either... he can do this for 2-3 months. (ok, maybe not 1.905 OPS, but.... )
2008-08-07 12:05:18
98.   ssjames
93 Anderson, not Byrd obviously. I always get those Marlons confused.
2008-08-07 12:06:45
99.   MonkeyBlue
Great DP!
2008-08-07 12:06:57
100.   bhsportsguy
Nice play James.
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2008-08-07 12:07:16
101.   underdog
Now THAT was some great baserunning.

Tee-hee!

2008-08-07 12:07:23
102.   scareduck
Not very good baserunning by Izturis.
2008-08-07 12:08:27
103.   Eric Stephen
15 straight IP for Kershaw.
2008-08-07 12:09:29
104.   scareduck
I was looking at the Manny homer on Gameday video. You just don't throw a pitch that high to Manny.
2008-08-07 12:10:17
105.   okdodge
103 Not only 15 straight IP, but 15 straight scoreless IP's.
2008-08-07 12:10:17
106.   MonkeyBlue
Kent is looking good batting 3rd.

I would like the lineup like this...

Kemp
Ethier
Kent
Manny
Loney
Martin
Blake
SS
P

2008-08-07 12:10:40
107.   Physics DR
66 from the previous list

Insert my usual grumble about forgotting the Dodgers existed before 1958. Stat. lists should include all Dodger history. I believe.

HOWEVER Duke Snider was still at the top!

2008-08-07 12:10:50
108.   ssjames
For those not paying attention at home, Kershaw's ERA has now dropped below Lohse's ERA. At this rate, I doubt we will see Kershaw back in the minors again.
2008-08-07 12:12:25
109.   Who Is Karim Garcia
93

I think you mean Marlon Wayans.

2008-08-07 12:15:57
110.   MonkeyBlue
Pierre just earn himself a start
2008-08-07 12:16:19
111.   Michael D
Well it looks like Ethier won't be starting tomorrow now.
2008-08-07 12:16:50
112.   Sac Town Dodger Fan
Juan being Juan
/not really
2008-08-07 12:16:55
113.   Fallout
86 thinkblue88
Exactly. I called it a couple of days ago.
When Kent hit behind Bonds he didn't do very well but when he hit in front of Bonds he had a great year. The difference of course is that Kent is not the hitter he was then. It's easy to plug him into the 3rd spot when Martin is on the bench.
2008-08-07 12:16:59
114.   Jon Weisman
107 - The thing is, Baseball-Reference.com's game logs only go back through 1956. So that makes 1958 a convenient cutoff point for some lists.
2008-08-07 12:17:04
115.   The Dude Abides
Slappy being Manny. He just bought himself at least five starts in a row.
2008-08-07 12:18:11
116.   Ken Noe
Cards' announcers claim "a Dodger coach" told them that Jones is "stubborn...won't adjust...still wants to pull everything."
2008-08-07 12:18:18
117.   still bevens
triples:

Loney = 5
Pierre = 2

2008-08-07 12:19:12
118.   Jon Weisman
Would it be all right if we suspended all the "This guy did or didn't get a hit, so he will/won't be starting tomorrow/forever" comments?

It's a collective Rule 8 situation, and considering how fluid the lineup has been, it's kind of pointless at this point.

2008-08-07 12:21:23
119.   UVaDodger
40

Looks like you're right.

2008-08-07 12:21:48
120.   MonkeyBlue
118. Ok I'll stop. Sorry if it bothered anyone else.
2008-08-07 12:21:57
121.   Physics DR
114 Thank You for that. I learn so much here!
Would you like 10,000 pages on string theory in return?
2008-08-07 12:24:39
122.   MonkeyBlue
Wow I thought that was out!
2008-08-07 12:25:06
123.   bhsportsguy
113 During his last 5 years with the Ginats, only in 2002, when Kent started 67 games batting 3rd, did he have an higher OPS batting in front of Bonds than behind him.

It was also the only season where he had started a significant number of games batting 3rd.

Year - OPS
1998 - .943
1999 - .889
2000 - 1.018 (MVP)
2001 - .892
2002 - 1.054 (3rd); .838 (4th)

2008-08-07 12:26:08
124.   Disabled List
118 Considering how capricious Joe Torre has been with who he chooses to start, it seems that Pierre or Ethier's most immediate performance is a pretty salient topic of discussion.

The meme is a little played out, though.

2008-08-07 12:26:18
125.   Jon Weisman
120 - My comment wasn't directed at any one person, believe me.

121 - :)

2008-08-07 12:28:30
126.   MonkeyBlue
125. I know. I'm just saying I'll stop it.
2008-08-07 12:35:07
127.   Fallout
118 Jon Weisman
Phew.
2008-08-07 12:35:33
128.   Greg Brock
This kid is going to be amazingly good amazingly quickly.
2008-08-07 12:35:34
129.   still bevens
Has this been discussed yet? I guess nobody really cares or expected much anyway.

Said this morning, before the game, that Schmidt is probably done for 2008.

``Yes, for this year,'' Torre said. ``At this juncture, a lot would have to happen in a hurry for him to be able to pitch for us at this level. He would have to start throwing bullpens (now), and then his rehab probably would take him through the second week of September at this point. I think it would be a long shot.''

2008-08-07 12:36:42
130.   Jon Weisman
Gurnick:

http://tinyurl.com/5sro7b

Torre said he and the coaching staff have considered Cardinals manager Tony La Russa's preference for batting his best slugger, Albert Pujols, third, the pitcher eighth and putting a speedster, in St. Louis' case former Dodgers shortstop Cesar Izturis, ninth. That way, Pujols bats in the first inning and in subsequent at-bats he is preceded by three position hitters.

"We're flirting with a number of things, even moving Manny to third," said Torre. "The nine-hole hitter gives you three guys to get on. We would have [Juan] Pierre batting ninth. We haven't gone there yet."

2008-08-07 12:36:51
131.   okdodge
To bad Izturis led off the game the way he did, or else this game might be pretty interesting.
2008-08-07 12:38:07
132.   whodat807
Just checked Gameday at work. Manny went deep AGAIN? He is out of his mind! I love seeing a Dodger hit homeruns that you can identify right off the bat.
2008-08-07 12:38:56
133.   Eric Enders
Let it roll, kid.

It's amazing how many swinging bunts the Cardinals have today.

2008-08-07 12:39:06
134.   scareduck
Just as Monday starts talking about how much in control Kershaw is, he gives up an infield single and uncorks a wild pitch.
2008-08-07 12:39:31
135.   MonkeyBlue
The Kid has much to learn.
2008-08-07 12:39:50
136.   Greg Brock
A dribbler, a passed ball/wild pitch and a gork.

Cheap.

2008-08-07 12:39:56
137.   bhsportsguy
Kershaw is approaching his pitch and inning limit.
2008-08-07 12:40:22
138.   Ken Noe
129 If McCourt can't afford to sign Manny this winter, the $24 million spent on Schmidt and the $22 million still to be paid is going to make a certain GM look really shaky.
2008-08-07 12:40:44
139.   ssjames
Cesar Izturis?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Sure now he hits. Can anyone check ex-Dodgers against the Dodgers and just how much of a "take that jerks" effect is created when they face us? It seems like it is huge.
2008-08-07 12:40:44
140.   Fallout
123 bhsportsguy
I can't argue against the numbers. Without looking it up, I remember that when Bonds was going crazy, Kent did much better batting in front of him.
2008-08-07 12:40:58
141.   bhsportsguy
Kershaw is going to have to at least learn to peak over at 1st.
2008-08-07 12:41:02
142.   Disabled List
"We're flirting with a number of things, even moving Manny to third," said Torre. "The nine-hole hitter gives you three guys to get on. We would have [Juan] Pierre batting ninth. We haven't gone there yet."

I love this idea. If you're gonna play Pierre, that's the spot for him.

2008-08-07 12:41:28
143.   Eric Enders
134 Those events don't indicate that he was anything but completely in control. The swinging bunt was exactly the kind of infield grounder you want to induce and the wild pitch could have been a passed ball.
2008-08-07 12:41:39
144.   MonkeyBlue
Good job for Kershaw. This should be his last inning?
2008-08-07 12:42:33
145.   bhsportsguy
140 Okay, but it must have been just one year or you could be mixing Kent up with the former stage manager of the Metropolitan Opera.
2008-08-07 12:42:34
146.   Jon Weisman
Kershaw has allowed one run on 62 pitches. If he can get Mather, why would he come out?
2008-08-07 12:43:04
147.   ssjames
144 I would think one more at least, he has only made 81 pitches.
2008-08-07 12:43:26
148.   Eric Enders
137 Why would you assume his pitch limit is 60 when he's gone over 100 before?
2008-08-07 12:43:27
149.   scareduck
130 - this reminds me of the lineups that Mike Scioscia makes with the Angels, frequently putting a high-average slap-hitter in the nine hole. He's not doing it much this year, though.
2008-08-07 12:43:49
150.   DodgerBakers
142 exactly my though. Pierre can be a good player in context and when used properly. If we're going to play him, this seems the way to use him.
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2008-08-07 12:44:30
151.   Jon Weisman
146 - Sorry - mistyped the pitches, but my question still works.
2008-08-07 12:44:31
152.   Disabled List
Through five innings, each pitcher has thrown 81 pitches. 49 strikes for Clay-K, 51 for Lohse.
2008-08-07 12:45:04
153.   Sean P
146

It's 81 pitches.

Even so, with a 3 run lead why not give the kid a chance to earn a quality start?

2008-08-07 12:45:37
154.   Eric Enders
Hereby retracting 148 . Got some bad info. Remind me never to believe that guy again. ;)
2008-08-07 12:45:44
155.   Jon Weisman
Actually, I will say that my rule is that if there's doubt he can pitch more than one more inning - and his next inning is going to be tough - you could hit for Kershaw with a man on. But the Dodger bench is so thin ...
2008-08-07 12:47:09
156.   still bevens
153 Plus our bullpen has been overworked, no day off tomorrow and Kershaw will lead off the 7th.

Im just a little scared of Pujols and Ludwick.

2008-08-07 12:48:24
157.   bhsportsguy
I said approaching, with Kuo having had 3 days off and Broxton presumely back from his tired arm, I think this his last inning.
2008-08-07 12:49:26
158.   MonkeyBlue
Big out to get Albert!
2008-08-07 12:49:57
159.   Tripon
Just got back. And I see Manny has another homer in this game. I see Manny really wants to make a good impression.
2008-08-07 12:50:42
160.   Jon Weisman
158 - That's what I thought in the 11th inning Tuesday.
2008-08-07 12:51:58
161.   scareduck
159 - it's all that macrobiotic sushi and downward dog yoga.
2008-08-07 12:52:11
162.   MonkeyBlue
160. I almost forgot of that game... ;)
2008-08-07 12:53:02
163.   bhsportsguy
160 The problem was Johnson couldn't do what Kershaw did to Ludwick.
2008-08-07 12:53:12
164.   The Dude Abides
A "fastball" at 86? Really Charlie? I would call that a changeup, especially when his fastball is consistently 94-95.
2008-08-07 12:55:06
165.   Eric Enders
164 It certainly looked like a fastball. The Cards announcers called it a fastball too. He's been in the high eighties with his fastball in this inning. Probably just changing speeds on it a little.
2008-08-07 12:55:09
166.   Tripon
So is Manny gets 40 homers for the year, will people stop saying that he's in a decline?
2008-08-07 12:57:17
167.   MonkeyBlue
Clayton with a better start than last time he pitched against the Cards!
2008-08-07 12:57:37
168.   Eric Enders
Well this is unexpected.
2008-08-07 12:57:38
169.   Tripon
Huh, Kershaw's still in the game. I guess despite his pitch count, the tired bullpen is more of a concern.
2008-08-07 12:58:04
170.   Greg Brock
1) If he gets in any trouble you can yank him
2) Mark Sweeney would have hit.

I have no problem with letting him stay in.

2008-08-07 12:58:06
171.   cargill06
"Torre letting young Clay lead-off the 7th, let's see if they let him take the mound for the bottom half."- Rick Monday

ummmm????

2008-08-07 12:58:12
172.   CodyS
As of right now, Kershaw has an ERA of 0.5 in his last three starts. I did that in my head!
2008-08-07 12:58:45
173.   MonkeyBlue
Hmmmm... I guess Torre and Honeycutt think he has another inning in his arm.

Way to work the count Pierre.

2008-08-07 12:59:41
174.   Eric Enders
171 A lot of managers lately have started letting their pitchers hit even if they're taking them out of the game. It's a result of pitchers taking up many more roster spots than they used to, meaning most teams don't have enough pinch hitters.
2008-08-07 13:00:00
175.   CodyS
Either the Dodgers are going to discard Kershaw's pre-season inning limit or they don't really expect to go to the playoffs, or Torre thinks the bullpen's conditional expected ERA for today is around 9.
2008-08-07 13:01:06
176.   dontraiseplz
Kemp and Loney have putting some decent balls in play, just no BABIP on their side. Although Kemp has had a really high BABIP the whole season.
2008-08-07 13:01:41
177.   Tripon
Off topic, but Oscar De La Hoya and Manny Pacquiao are looking to stage a fight together. I don't know what De La Hoya is thinking, Manny's going to kill him!
2008-08-07 13:02:09
178.   Jon Weisman
Kershaw threw his 1,000th career major-league pitch in this game.
2008-08-07 13:02:26
179.   underdog
Pleased to watch Clayton's performance today, even while stuck on the phone for an hour.

I think with Penny going tomorrow (in that game I will nervously be watching in person) they probably want to spare the pen as much as possible. I would love to see Kuo tomorrow, especially if it's for the 3 inning save. :-)

2008-08-07 13:03:28
180.   MonkeyBlue
Kent the cat!
2008-08-07 13:03:50
181.   underdog
And one line drive out to the 2nd baseman deserves another.
2008-08-07 13:04:23
182.   Greg Brock
94 in the seventh inning.
2008-08-07 13:05:04
183.   JoeyP
Kershaw's last 3 games have been really good.

Still surprised Manny's getting as many pitches to hit as he has been. He's in such a zone & with the hitters around him, figured he'd be walked alot more.

Kershaw with 7 ks.

2008-08-07 13:05:20
184.   underdog
Thanks for chasing!
2008-08-07 13:05:42
185.   MonkeyBlue
KERSHAW! nice inning! Kid is growing.
2008-08-07 13:05:48
186.   underdog
183 Yep, and I hope the Giants are that stupid this weekend. :-)
2008-08-07 13:05:58
187.   bhsportsguy
That's a great start, man do I go to 3 games against the Phillies.
2008-08-07 13:06:26
188.   thinkblue88
Awesome. Good job Clayton.
2008-08-07 13:06:52
189.   surfing slug
108 pitches for the kid. That should probably do it for him. Another great outing.
2008-08-07 13:06:55
190.   skybluestoday
Watching Clayton Kershaw mow down the Cardinals is one of those small, good things that make life worth living.
2008-08-07 13:07:03
191.   Terry A
160 and 162 - I was thar!
2008-08-07 13:07:14
192.   Jon Weisman
So how much did he go to other pitches besides his fastball today?
2008-08-07 13:07:46
193.   Tripon
Hopefully we see Kuo, and then Broxton. Or just Kuo for two innings. We should give a save to Kuo, he earned it. :)
2008-08-07 13:08:42
194.   68elcamino427
What a great performance by the twenty year old!
2008-08-07 13:09:02
195.   MonkeyBlue
Another hit for Kent!
2008-08-07 13:09:13
196.   bhsportsguy
193 Or they could score a few more runs and make that question moot.
2008-08-07 13:10:02
197.   Gilberto Reyes
Would it be safe to say that this has been Kershaw's most impressive major league performance? Considering it is on the road, in St. Louis, coming off a pair of tough losses by the team in a place they can never seem to win anymore.
2008-08-07 13:11:20
198.   Tripon
Hee, I was right about Kent's three hits.
2008-08-07 13:12:44
199.   Eric Enders
192 25 curveballs, 2 changeups, and 2 sliders among the 108 pitches, according to PFX. Since Kershaw doesn't have a slider I'm assuming those 2 sliders were misidentified changeups. They were in the 82-84 mph range.
2008-08-07 13:12:46
200.   bhsportsguy
For all you Nor Cal DTers, I would expect to see some Dodgers in the City around 9:00 p.m.
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2008-08-07 13:13:03
201.   still bevens
197 Im impressed Kershaw had 4BBs but still kept his pitch count low and was able to go deep into the game.
2008-08-07 13:13:21
202.   Tripon
Eek! Double play!
2008-08-07 13:14:06
203.   Gilberto Reyes
Russell Martin should be watching the correct way how Kent hits 3rd in front of Manny.
2008-08-07 13:14:16
204.   bhsportsguy
Kershaw and Billingsley in StL; 12 IP, 2 runs.
2008-08-07 13:14:57
205.   xaphor
Nice consolation hug there between Kemp and Manny.
2008-08-07 13:15:30
206.   Eric Enders
197 This was impressive, but I'm going to go with his scoreless performance in his last start against Arizona, with 4 hits and only one walk.
2008-08-07 13:15:49
207.   Dane Bramage
I'm just finally getting around to checking out the game...(shock!!) JP has a triple?!?

The Large Hadron Collider isn't fully fired up yet, but surely there must already be a rip in space-time!

2008-08-07 13:16:48
208.   Tripon
Kershaw's ERA is now at 3.71 over Perhaps he is a pitcher, and not just a belly itcher.
2008-08-07 13:17:39
209.   Eric Enders
The funny thing about Pierre's triple is that it came while the St. Louis announcers were pointing out that despite Pierre's speed, his bad defense and total lack of extra-base hits basically makes him a bad player. And then he hits a triple which appeared to prove them wrong.
2008-08-07 13:18:39
210.   underdog
200 Know any of their favorite hang out spots? Not that I'm gonna stalk them or anything. They sometimes stay down near Union Square at the Hotel Nikko or whatever it's called. I'll look for some of them tomorrow at the SF Shopping Center, or at the worst, at the game. :-)

Methinks Manny will be hard to miss.

2008-08-07 13:19:11
211.   Tripon
209 Even a dead clock can accurately tell time twice in a dead. The St. Louis announcers are still right.
2008-08-07 13:19:35
212.   Jon Weisman
Giant's Lewis deals with tragedy:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=lewis

2008-08-07 13:20:06
213.   68elcamino427
Berroa is playing it this week.
2008-08-07 13:20:48
214.   bhsportsguy
The fellow that Arizona traded for a middle reliever is doing well for the Nats.
2008-08-07 13:21:05
215.   Fallout
210 underdog
Don't bother Manny. He doesn't like to be bothered when he eats.
2008-08-07 13:21:34
216.   MonkeyBlue
Kuo vs Pujols
2008-08-07 13:21:35
217.   bhsportsguy
210 Citizen Cupcake?
2008-08-07 13:21:53
218.   Eric Stephen
Manny has now matched his longest stretch as a Dodger without getting on base, at 2 PA.
2008-08-07 13:23:38
219.   MonkeyBlue
Kuo! :)
2008-08-07 13:23:50
220.   68elcamino427
Kuo-Guo!
2008-08-07 13:23:52
221.   Tripon
Pujols kicked his bat. If this was basketball, he would be called for a technical foul.
2008-08-07 13:24:06
222.   underdog
Siddown Pujols!

Tee hee.

2008-08-07 13:24:36
223.   Eric Enders
And Kuo causes Albert to kick his bat in frustration.
2008-08-07 13:25:19
224.   Uncle Miltie
Kuo is a stud. I don't really see any incentive for bringing in Broxton in the 9th, rather than just letting Kuo finish the game. Joe is a traditional manager, thus he feels the need to bring in his closer in the 9th.
2008-08-07 13:26:06
225.   Eric Stephen
221 ,223
I'm not watching, but I'm imagining a DiMaggio-esque reaction after Gionfriddo's catch.
2008-08-07 13:26:29
226.   Disabled List
Man, I'm enjoying this game. Clayton was amazing, Manny homered, Kuo vs. Pujols ends happily.

So far, so good. I was really depressed after those last two games. We need a rebound here.

2008-08-07 13:26:42
227.   Eric Stephen
224
Today is finally the save Torre was waiting for Tuesday night. Of course Broxton is coming in! :)
2008-08-07 13:27:01
228.   Eric Enders
225 That's pretty much exactly what it was.
2008-08-07 13:27:37
229.   Eric Stephen
Dodgers need to send 8 men to the plate for Manny to extend his streak of 2+ hit games.
2008-08-07 13:29:44
230.   bhsportsguy
Manny in 38 PA against Barry Zito, .214/.421/.571, with a double, 3 home runs and 10 walks and 2 strike outs.

Manny only has 3 PA against Matt Cain, he has one hit, a home run.

2008-08-07 13:30:19
231.   Fallout
I wish that Penny would get 7 innings out of 110 pitches.
2008-08-07 13:30:36
232.   cargill06
230 that was when zito was you know... good
2008-08-07 13:32:35
233.   Tripon
Broxton's in.
2008-08-07 13:34:58
234.   JoeyP
Should have left Kuo in.

If you're really concerned about Broxton being tired, then dont pitch him in a low leverage situation.

2008-08-07 13:36:30
235.   Jim Hitchcock
I can't watch. Oh, wait, I'm on Gameday.
2008-08-07 13:37:14
236.   D4P
234
Seems obvious, huh. But I guess that's why we're sitting at home watching the game, while the real experts are, well, sitting in the dugout watching the game.
2008-08-07 13:37:36
237.   misterjohnny
Is three runs enough cushion?
2008-08-07 13:38:28
238.   misterjohnny
236 Don't forget getting paid a bajillion dollars for sitting in the dugout watching the game.
2008-08-07 13:39:02
239.   D4P
238
I'm not allowed to talk about that anymore.
2008-08-07 13:39:49
240.   underdog
Someone looks a tad, er, rusty.

C'mon Ox! Don't make this one go to extras.

Sigh... I want to eat my lunch.

2008-08-07 13:39:49
241.   JoeyP
Well now its becoming higher leveraged...
2008-08-07 13:40:00
242.   MonkeyBlue
Come on Broxton!
2008-08-07 13:40:19
243.   Eric Stephen
I don't need any more chapters in the Ankiel Legend thank you very much.
2008-08-07 13:40:45
244.   LogikReader
Broxton has to be hurt. The 9th inning right now reminds me of last year in Colorado in September. He went on the DL right after.
2008-08-07 13:40:51
245.   underdog
How about the fact the Broxton needs the work desperately? Why are we complaining about this? Sheeesh. We may need Kuo tomorrow for all we know, with Penny pitching.
2008-08-07 13:42:30
246.   cargill06
244 Rick Monday is saying his fastball is has been at 90 or 91, I may agree with you.
2008-08-07 13:42:37
247.   gibsonhobbs88
Kershaw can't depend on the bullpen to hold hs leads. Chan Ho blew his last one against the D'Backs and now Broxton is threatening to do the same, and Broxton was given a 3 run cushion. I wish we had a manager that thought "out of the box" once in awhile and went with the "hot arm" in Kuo.
2008-08-07 13:42:49
248.   bhsportsguy
The Eric Gagne years ruined watching closers after he left.
2008-08-07 13:43:32
249.   bhsportsguy
247 If you can't go to your closer with a 3 run lead, when do you go to him?
2008-08-07 13:43:57
250.   Jonny6
So during today's radio broadcast, Monday said that Kuroda would be coming off the DL for his next start. Then he repeated himself the next inning. Then he mentioned that the Dodgers would still be one game below 500 if they won this game. And then he repeated that.

Don't they have any fact checkers on the radio these days, or does Monday just choose to ignore those little voices in his earpiece? I usually don't mind Monday too much despite his shortcomings, but I was pretty mystified by his repeated inaccuracies today. I had to check a handful of things when I got home just to make sure I wasn't going crazy.

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2008-08-07 13:44:06
251.   JoeyP
Big K!
2008-08-07 13:44:18
252.   JoeyP
Chased Ball 4.
2008-08-07 13:44:21
253.   MonkeyBlue
Big K!
2008-08-07 13:44:24
254.   Tripon
Strike out for Broxton.
2008-08-07 13:44:36
255.   MonkeyBlue
251. ;)
2008-08-07 13:44:46
256.   underdog
Siddown, Ankle!
2008-08-07 13:45:04
257.   scareduck
Gameday says Brox has only thrown fastballs to Ankiel.

Up to that last one.

2008-08-07 13:45:49
258.   DodgerBakers
246 Gameday says his fastball is coming in at 98
2008-08-07 13:46:08
259.   cargill06
246 nevermind he said his last fastball was 98.
2008-08-07 13:47:03
260.   Tripon
248 I'm sure Broxton would be just as good as Gagne if he had Gagne's extra help.
2008-08-07 13:47:29
261.   Eric Stephen
244
Broxton didn't go on the DL last year.
2008-08-07 13:47:35
262.   MonkeyBlue
YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2008-08-07 13:47:48
263.   68elcamino427
Closer with the save!
2008-08-07 13:47:59
264.   underdog
Yesssssssssssss!

Close this!, says the Big Blue Ox.

2008-08-07 13:48:12
265.   Jim Hitchcock
Whew!
2008-08-07 13:48:19
266.   still bevens
92 mph slider? Wild.
2008-08-07 13:48:34
267.   68elcamino427
Kershaw
Kuo
Broxton
2008-08-07 13:48:49
268.   underdog
Now, can I finally eat my lunch? Thanks.
2008-08-07 13:49:22
269.   bhsportsguy
Jeez, unless a closer goes 1-2-3, people get really impatient.
2008-08-07 13:50:02
270.   MonkeyBlue
269. Gagne and Satio spoiled us. :p
2008-08-07 13:50:08
271.   Bob Hendley
Mongo throw gas!
2008-08-07 13:50:41
272.   LogikReader
Series Salvaged!!!!!

Aw Big Jon, how could I have doubted you??

261

Oh gosh, you're right! My bad..

2008-08-07 13:52:36
273.   JoeyP
Regairfield's new tagline is perfect at truebluela.com
2008-08-07 13:53:03
274.   gibsonhobbs88
249 - I know, that should be true! Thank God Broxton recovered and finished the game there. My anxiety was talking there BH. I hope to see you a week from Saturday at the DT picnic. I was at the 80's luncheon, I ws the first one up and asked the first question to Fernando.

We survived and got one out of StL this time. I will not be rooting for the Cards to make the playoffs should we get there. Albert destroys us!

2008-08-07 13:54:18
275.   Bob Hendley
269 - Its cuz they don't want the other team to get more close.
2008-08-07 13:54:25
276.   Disabled List
I'm thrilled with today's win, but the Dodgers are now 3-3 with Manny. That's not good enough.

On to San Francisco. I WANT A SWEEP.

2008-08-07 13:56:00
277.   Eric Stephen
I actually want the Dodgers to win 4 out of the 3 games in SF this weekend; that's how serious I am about it.
2008-08-07 13:56:30
278.   gibsonhobbs88
269 - Anxiety gets a little higher when your team has little success against a certain team or in a certain park. Recent history at Busch pointed to trouble with two men on and 1 out.
2008-08-07 13:56:31
279.   Eric Enders
Eric Stephen thinks the protest will be upheld.
2008-08-07 13:56:39
280.   Jim Hitchcock
268 Only dehydrated food. Remember, you're in training.
2008-08-07 13:59:38
281.   LogikReader
273

That's assuming NedCo survives 2008. <-- not a given.

2008-08-07 14:00:29
282.   underdog
Hopefully the Dodgers can counteract the jinx of my presence at the ballpark in the same section as Icaros. We're 0-1 in that dept. I did get to see them blow out SF earlier last season though.
2008-08-07 14:01:10
283.   bhsportsguy
273 He's signed through 2009 with an option for 2010. So short of a trade with the Phillies, its not happening.

And if they were going to go that route, they might as well resign Blake.

2008-08-07 14:02:20
284.   Eric Stephen
282
You should go in your Kevin Elster jersey. That's a sure fire winning move.
2008-08-07 14:03:06
285.   regfairfield
283 Fine I'll change it to Joe Crede.
2008-08-07 14:03:10
286.   underdog
280 Heh. Thanks for reminding! Ugh, I can't wait for our backpacker's food. Any suggestions for good ones from Trader Joe's? Last time we went we brought some of those Indian food packets that aren't too bad once or twice but get old fast (and wreak havoc on one's innards). We had that and a fruit and nut trail mix that had us then reenacting the campfire scene from Blazing Saddles.
2008-08-07 14:04:00
287.   underdog
284 Old school and inside, I like it!
2008-08-07 14:04:48
288.   JoeyP
Crede's probably the guy the Dodgers will get.
2008-08-07 14:06:56
289.   JoeyP
283--Blake will probably re-sign himself in effect by accepting arbitration. I cant see many clubs giving him a multi-year deal at his age, and in arbitration he'd probably get 8-9 mils for 2009.
2008-08-07 14:07:22
290.   overkill94
Looks like I got home just in time for the game to be over. I didn't even realize it was a day game, I could have listened to the end on my way home!

Either way, huge outing by Kershaw today. To go a strong seven and save the bullpen after they worked so much the last two days was huge. Glad to see Manny is still Manny!

2008-08-07 14:11:04
291.   Jon Weisman
NPUT
2008-08-07 14:11:19
292.   Daniel Zappala
212 Wow. What a gut-wrenching story.

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