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Kershaw XII: Kerdyshawck

2008-08-07 11:10

by Jon Weisman

Be the ball, Clayton ...

(This does not constitute an endorsement of ceaseless quotes from this film or a debate of the film's merits.)

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Dodgers at Cardinals, 11:15 a.m.

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Comments (291)

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2008-08-07 11:15:09

1. Tripon

Apparently, there is a baseball game going on.

2008-08-07 11:15:52

2. underdog

How about another quote from Airplane! instead? (paraphrasing) "I just want to tell you good luck (Clayton). We're all counting on you."

2008-08-07 11:16:42

3. underdog

Yep, and Juan Pierre's already out.

2008-08-07 11:17:45

4. underdog

And Kemp's still batting.

2008-08-07 11:17:59

5. Greg Brock

It does is consitute an endorsement of a smattering of jokes from the movie?

No?

Okay.

2008-08-07 11:18:26

6. larry slimfast

Not a good AB by Pierre. I don't care who starts anymore, I just want a big winning streak - however it happens.

Can we say 'nanananananah' during K'shaw's strike three pitches?

2008-08-07 11:19:22

7. Eric Stephen

2
You forgot to follow that up with the same quote a few minutes later.

2008-08-07 11:19:49

9. UVaDodger

Random Question:

Does BABIP factor in foul pop ups, or are they too statistically insignificant to worry about?

2008-08-07 11:20:23

10. underdog

Tripon, how about a double with nobody on instead?

2008-08-07 11:20:36

11. Eric Stephen

5
Not sure how Clayton measures himself with other pitchers, but...

Kershaw - 6'3"
Lohse - 6'2"

2008-08-07 11:21:13

12. D4P

The Gameday dot for Kent's hit is in a weird spot for a ground-rule double...

2008-08-07 11:22:04

13. goofus

I know it's Rosenthal (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8419620?MSNHPHMA) but I still like it when he says Pierre can clear Waivers and the dodgers would only have to pay half his salary ($15,000,000) to get some team to take him. If I were the Dodger owner, I'd be all over that. He mentions other players that can be had. I wouldn't mind picking up Randy Winn (at least he'd quit hurting us) IF we didn't already have more outfielders than concession servers in the stadium. Come to think of it, we could utilize Pierre running up and down the aisles selling ice cream, and Andruw drawing beers. He looks like he's had a lot of practice...

2008-08-07 11:22:17

14. UVaDodger

Manny Ramirez, clogging the bases.

2008-08-07 11:22:30

15. underdog

Stupid "unintentional" intentional walks.

7 Wait for it...

2008-08-07 11:22:53

16. Eric Stephen

9
Yes, any foul outs are counted as balls in play.

2008-08-07 11:24:17

17. underdog

Good job James!

2008-08-07 11:24:29

18. Greg Brock

Not a double play!

2008-08-07 11:24:46

19. larry slimfast

nice piece of hitting by the lone star

2008-08-07 11:25:08

20. underdog

Way to go the other way with it. They're making Lohse throw a lot of pitches to start too. Which is nice.

2008-08-07 11:25:19

21. Eric Stephen

Loney scores Kent!

BTW, Kent's double was near the wall, the good side!

2008-08-07 11:26:28

22. underdog

That was a terrible strike three call. Whatever.

2008-08-07 11:26:48

23. larry slimfast

Lone Star! - he's from Texas isn't he?

2008-08-07 11:27:05

24. Eric Stephen

Blake gets nothing, and likes it!

2008-08-07 11:28:23

25. okdodge

Who knew Cesar Izturis was a career below .300 OBP guy? That's bad.

2008-08-07 11:29:28

26. D4P

Izturis leading off? Geez.

2008-08-07 11:29:46

27. Eric Stephen

25
[raises hand]

2008-08-07 11:29:57

28. underdog

I'm sure I'll jinx it, but talk about a black hole... 6-9 for the Cards today...

2008-08-07 11:30:23

29. underdog

6-1, I should say.

2008-08-07 11:30:55

30. underdog

Siddown! Grab some pine!

{opens door} "I just want to tell you good luck (Clayton). We're all counting on you."

2008-08-07 11:31:01

31. Eric Stephen

Don't worry, Joe Mather. Kershaw has sent batters far younger than you back to the dugout. Didn't want to do it; he felt he owed it to them.

2008-08-07 11:31:37

32. Greg Brock

31 You are playing with fire.

2008-08-07 11:32:07

33. underdog

I think Pujols makes Kershaw nervous.

2008-08-07 11:32:16

34. D4P

This game bodes well for Kershaw's best game of the year thus far.

2008-08-07 11:33:58

35. underdog

How was that not a strike? Oh... mutter...

2008-08-07 11:34:18

36. UVaDodger

33 Pujols makes me nervous.

2008-08-07 11:35:16

37. regfairfield

29 I'd throw Mather in there too.

2008-08-07 11:38:44

38. JoeyP

Dont walk the bases loaded.

2008-08-07 11:39:58

39. bhsportsguy

Mandatory tough 1st inning.

2008-08-07 11:39:59

40. underdog

Well done, Clayton.

I think he's just going to walk Pujols and Ludwick each time.

2008-08-07 11:40:06

41. Eric Stephen

Whew. I guess the Cardinals will have to continue beating themselves.

2008-08-07 11:45:05

42. JoeyP

Glaus had a couple bad swings on the 3-0 count tuesday & that 3-1 pitch.

2008-08-07 11:45:25

43. underdog

Lohse, you were ardoined!

2008-08-07 11:45:26

44. bhsportsguy

40 Lowe would have been better off just walking Pujols and Ludwick yesterday..

2008-08-07 11:45:53

45. JoeyP

Consecutive IBB's with the bases loaded?

2008-08-07 11:46:30

46. underdog

Man, he looked safe at second. They always call that out though.

2008-08-07 11:46:30

47. Greg Brock

At least we cleared the leadoff spot for next inning.

2008-08-07 11:46:57

48. underdog

And then there's Pierre.

I hope I get to see Ethier starting tomorrow night when I'm there in person.

2008-08-07 11:46:59

49. D4P

Pierre can take a pitch.

2008-08-07 11:47:28

50. still bevens

Professional at bat (tm)

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2008-08-07 11:48:38

51. ssjames

Does anyone think that if we bought Torre a subscription to BP that he would actually read and come to his senses vis-a-vis Pierre? That article yesterday explained the whole problem we are facing.

2008-08-07 11:49:31

52. Doctor

It's not the actual 20 foot dribbler, its the perceived threat of the 20 foot dribbler that makes Pierre so effective.

2008-08-07 11:49:45

53. bhsportsguy

44 I say that in part in jest.

In some strange almost mysterious way, Juan Pierre is almost begging to not play.

History has shown that despite statistical evidence showing that unless he has a high OBP, JP does not do enough other things to warrent his playing time, in his whole career, managers have continued to play him.

But now, I am observing what has to be basically pouting. Which goes against everything you heard about him.

2008-08-07 11:49:59

54. Jon Weisman

Did Pierre try to bunt for a hit with two out and the pitcher on first base? Or is Gameday misleading me?

2008-08-07 11:50:29

55. Eric Stephen

52
Excellent. Just what the Doctor ordered.

2008-08-07 11:50:50

56. Eric Stephen

54
Gameday is not misleading you.

2008-08-07 11:51:29

57. jdbeauchamp

Vinny must be the only announcer on Fox Sports who never has to pitch the channel's "Best D--- Sports Show Period."

I assume he has refused on professional or moral grounds. Anyone with a take on this?

Nice half inning, kid.

2008-08-07 11:51:30

58. underdog

51 I've started to get the feeling that he may be coming to his senses re Pierre anyway, today's start notwithstanding. Maybe everyone in the universe remind him he sucks plus Pierre's public whining has made him see the light. But Ethier got the last two starts. We'll see what happens in SF. If Ethier starts 2 of 3, that's a sign.

2008-08-07 11:52:31

59. underdog

54 Shouldn't that get him publicly reprimanded and traded to Pittsburgh, or is that just what happens to LaRoches?

GREAT 2nd inning for The Minotaur, though.

2008-08-07 11:52:36

60. Eric Stephen

53
I know Simers is being Simers, but today's quote, "to his credit [Jones] has never turned nasty or become sullen and unapproachable like Juan Pierre" was pretty much the first media attack on Pierre's formerly spotless character.

2008-08-07 11:53:19

61. Eric Stephen

57
George Grande on Reds broadcasts refuses to say the "Damn" part all the time.

2008-08-07 11:53:31

62. underdog

Darnit, I have to go on a conference call in a few mins. Guess I'll keep one eye on the game, quietly for awhile.

2008-08-07 11:54:11

63. underdog

Now our real lead off hitter is up.

In a way our line-up is like the Cards - pitcher, and then the #9 hitter. Sort of.

2008-08-07 11:55:23

64. underdog

On the other hand... the Bison didn't look too good to end that at bat.

2008-08-07 11:55:35

65. Eric Stephen

Kent used to be something before electricity.

2008-08-07 11:56:29

66. Jon Weisman

53 - The thing is, the pouting isn't new anymore. We've seen signs of it ever since last October.

That doesn't render him a worthless human being, but it should make him a little less sainted.

2008-08-07 11:56:45

67. underdog

Kent looks more like Kent today.

2008-08-07 11:57:02

68. Greg Brock

Well that was nice.

2008-08-07 11:57:03

69. Eric Stephen

65
My reverse jinx worked!

2008-08-07 11:57:22

70. Doctor

MANny

2008-08-07 11:57:32

71. MonkeyBlue

I love Manny.

2008-08-07 11:57:34

72. thinkblue88

Manny being Manny.

2008-08-07 11:57:37

73. surfing slug

ManRam!

2008-08-07 11:57:54

74. Eric Stephen

Au revoir, baseball!

2008-08-07 11:57:59

75. cargill06

lord almighty

2008-08-07 11:58:01

76. jdbeauchamp

Kudos to Jeff for distracting the pitcher so Manny could make ball go far.

2008-08-07 11:58:03

77. UVaDodger

What does that raise Manny's OPS to? 2.000?

2008-08-07 11:58:10

78. Michael D

It's nice to have a good feeling whenever a Dodger comes up to bat like I do when Ramirez comes up. Every time he comes up, while like Lyons just said I just have to watch his AB every time.

2008-08-07 11:58:58

79. GMac In The 909

ManRam's push to lead the Dodgers in home runs continues.

2008-08-07 11:59:51

80. bhsportsguy

If I was a Red Sox fan, I would be really annoyed.

2008-08-07 12:00:05

81. Eric Stephen

More importantly, Manny has now passed Gary Bennett in PA.

2008-08-07 12:00:31

82. JayB

Joe has found his new #3 hitter!

2008-08-07 12:00:35

83. DaDoughboy

really Manny?

2008-08-07 12:00:43

84. Jon Weisman

60 - You mean since the day before?

2008-08-07 12:00:54

85. scareduck

Well, come in late to the game and look what happens.

Now, let's see if Kershaw can miss Pujols' bat with the bases loaded. Or even without.

2008-08-07 12:01:10

86. thinkblue88

Maybe Kent is the right guy to be batting third with Manny behind him. Sort of how he batted in front of Bonds back in his SF days.

2008-08-07 12:01:11

87. underdog

Is it acceptable for a grown man to type or say "hehehehehehe!" after that home run? 'cause that's what I felt like doing. God bless that long haired freak of nature.

Okay, off to a meeting, with a smile on my face.

2008-08-07 12:01:40

88. Jon Weisman

77: 1.905

2008-08-07 12:01:51

89. Eric Stephen

77
Not quite. Manny is at 1,905 as a Dodger, .619/.667/.1.238.

2008-08-07 12:02:10

90. Terry A

84 - Finally, a hero for all of us. A man committed to using his powers for good instead of eeee-vil. T.J. Simers, we salute you!

2008-08-07 12:02:22

91. cargill06

77 1.904.... hopefully he can keep it up

2008-08-07 12:03:23

92. Eric Stephen

84
You mean since the day before?

Yep. I guess I grouped both Simers pieces together.

2008-08-07 12:03:30

93. ssjames

I would love to see Manny get over 2.000 and get a single that would actually drop his OPS. How ridiculous is this. Marlon Byrd better watch out, because his position as Dodgers' career OPS leader is in jeopardy.

2008-08-07 12:03:34

94. bhsportsguy

86 Kent usually batted 4th behind Bonds.

2008-08-07 12:03:53

95. The Dude Abides

Pierre is teh suck. Manny's dreads getting into his eyes on that home-run swing (and Lyons pointing it out) was teh awesome.

2008-08-07 12:04:10

96. UVaDodger

89 I thought it was something like that. I'm convincing myself that he will keep this up for the rest of the year. And the next three years if we re-sign him.

I am probably delusional.

2008-08-07 12:04:16

97. Doctor

This isn't Marlon Anderson either... he can do this for 2-3 months. (ok, maybe not 1.905 OPS, but.... )

2008-08-07 12:05:18

98. ssjames

93 Anderson, not Byrd obviously. I always get those Marlons confused.

2008-08-07 12:06:45

99. MonkeyBlue

Great DP!

2008-08-07 12:06:57

100. bhsportsguy

Nice play James.

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2008-08-07 12:07:16

101. underdog

Now THAT was some great baserunning.

Tee-hee!

2008-08-07 12:07:23

102. scareduck

Not very good baserunning by Izturis.

2008-08-07 12:08:27

103. Eric Stephen

15 straight IP for Kershaw.

2008-08-07 12:09:29

104. scareduck

I was looking at the Manny homer on Gameday video. You just don't throw a pitch that high to Manny.

2008-08-07 12:10:17

105. okdodge

103 Not only 15 straight IP, but 15 straight scoreless IP's.

2008-08-07 12:10:17

106. MonkeyBlue

Kent is looking good batting 3rd.

I would like the lineup like this...

Kemp
Ethier
Kent
Manny
Loney
Martin
Blake
SS
P

2008-08-07 12:10:40

107. Physics DR

66 from the previous list

Insert my usual grumble about forgotting the Dodgers existed before 1958. Stat. lists should include all Dodger history. I believe.

HOWEVER Duke Snider was still at the top!

2008-08-07 12:10:50

108. ssjames

For those not paying attention at home, Kershaw's ERA has now dropped below Lohse's ERA. At this rate, I doubt we will see Kershaw back in the minors again.

2008-08-07 12:12:25

109. Who Is Karim Garcia

I think you mean Marlon Wayans.

2008-08-07 12:15:57

110. MonkeyBlue

Pierre just earn himself a start

2008-08-07 12:16:19

111. Michael D

Well it looks like Ethier won't be starting tomorrow now.

2008-08-07 12:16:50

112. Sac Town Dodger Fan

Juan being Juan
/not really

2008-08-07 12:16:55

113. Fallout

86 thinkblue88
Exactly. I called it a couple of days ago.
When Kent hit behind Bonds he didn't do very well but when he hit in front of Bonds he had a great year. The difference of course is that Kent is not the hitter he was then. It's easy to plug him into the 3rd spot when Martin is on the bench.

2008-08-07 12:16:59

114. Jon Weisman

107 - The thing is, Baseball-Reference.com's game logs only go back through 1956. So that makes 1958 a convenient cutoff point for some lists.

2008-08-07 12:17:04

115. The Dude Abides

Slappy being Manny. He just bought himself at least five starts in a row.

2008-08-07 12:18:11

116. Ken Noe

Cards' announcers claim "a Dodger coach" told them that Jones is "stubborn...won't adjust...still wants to pull everything."

2008-08-07 12:18:18

117. still bevens

triples:

Loney = 5
Pierre = 2

2008-08-07 12:19:12

118. Jon Weisman

Would it be all right if we suspended all the "This guy did or didn't get a hit, so he will/won't be starting tomorrow/forever" comments?

It's a collective Rule 8 situation, and considering how fluid the lineup has been, it's kind of pointless at this point.

2008-08-07 12:21:23

119. UVaDodger

Looks like you're right.

2008-08-07 12:21:48

120. MonkeyBlue

118. Ok I'll stop. Sorry if it bothered anyone else.

2008-08-07 12:21:57

121. Physics DR

114 Thank You for that. I learn so much here!
Would you like 10,000 pages on string theory in return?

2008-08-07 12:24:39

122. MonkeyBlue

Wow I thought that was out!

2008-08-07 12:25:06

123. bhsportsguy

113 During his last 5 years with the Ginats, only in 2002, when Kent started 67 games batting 3rd, did he have an higher OPS batting in front of Bonds than behind him.

It was also the only season where he had started a significant number of games batting 3rd.

Year - OPS
1998 - .943
1999 - .889
2000 - 1.018 (MVP)
2001 - .892
2002 - 1.054 (3rd); .838 (4th)

2008-08-07 12:26:08

124. Disabled List

118 Considering how capricious Joe Torre has been with who he chooses to start, it seems that Pierre or Ethier's most immediate performance is a pretty salient topic of discussion.

The meme is a little played out, though.

2008-08-07 12:26:18

125. Jon Weisman

120 - My comment wasn't directed at any one person, believe me.

121 - :)

2008-08-07 12:28:30

126. MonkeyBlue

125. I know. I'm just saying I'll stop it.

2008-08-07 12:35:07

127. Fallout

118 Jon Weisman
Phew.

2008-08-07 12:35:33

128. Greg Brock

This kid is going to be amazingly good amazingly quickly.

2008-08-07 12:35:34

129. still bevens

Has this been discussed yet? I guess nobody really cares or expected much anyway.

Said this morning, before the game, that Schmidt is probably done for 2008.

``Yes, for this year,'' Torre said. ``At this juncture, a lot would have to happen in a hurry for him to be able to pitch for us at this level. He would have to start throwing bullpens (now), and then his rehab probably would take him through the second week of September at this point. I think it would be a long shot.''

2008-08-07 12:36:42

130. Jon Weisman

Gurnick:

http://tinyurl.com/5sro7b

Torre said he and the coaching staff have considered Cardinals manager Tony La Russa's preference for batting his best slugger, Albert Pujols, third, the pitcher eighth and putting a speedster, in St. Louis' case former Dodgers shortstop Cesar Izturis, ninth. That way, Pujols bats in the first inning and in subsequent at-bats he is preceded by three position hitters.

"We're flirting with a number of things, even moving Manny to third," said Torre. "The nine-hole hitter gives you three guys to get on. We would have [Juan] Pierre batting ninth. We haven't gone there yet."

2008-08-07 12:36:51

131. okdodge

To bad Izturis led off the game the way he did, or else this game might be pretty interesting.

2008-08-07 12:38:07

132. whodat807

Just checked Gameday at work. Manny went deep AGAIN? He is out of his mind! I love seeing a Dodger hit homeruns that you can identify right off the bat.

2008-08-07 12:38:56

133. Eric Enders

Let it roll, kid.

It's amazing how many swinging bunts the Cardinals have today.

2008-08-07 12:39:06

134. scareduck

Just as Monday starts talking about how much in control Kershaw is, he gives up an infield single and uncorks a wild pitch.

2008-08-07 12:39:31

135. MonkeyBlue

The Kid has much to learn.

2008-08-07 12:39:50

136. Greg Brock

A dribbler, a passed ball/wild pitch and a gork.

Cheap.

2008-08-07 12:39:56

137. bhsportsguy

Kershaw is approaching his pitch and inning limit.

2008-08-07 12:40:22

138. Ken Noe

129 If McCourt can't afford to sign Manny this winter, the $24 million spent on Schmidt and the $22 million still to be paid is going to make a certain GM look really shaky.

2008-08-07 12:40:44

139. ssjames

Cesar Izturis?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Sure now he hits. Can anyone check ex-Dodgers against the Dodgers and just how much of a "take that jerks" effect is created when they face us? It seems like it is huge.

2008-08-07 12:40:44

140. Fallout

123 bhsportsguy
I can't argue against the numbers. Without looking it up, I remember that when Bonds was going crazy, Kent did much better batting in front of him.

2008-08-07 12:40:58

141. bhsportsguy

Kershaw is going to have to at least learn to peak over at 1st.

2008-08-07 12:41:02

142. Disabled List

I love this idea. If you're gonna play Pierre, that's the spot for him.

2008-08-07 12:41:28

143. Eric Enders

134 Those events don't indicate that he was anything but completely in control. The swinging bunt was exactly the kind of infield grounder you want to induce and the wild pitch could have been a passed ball.