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On the Horizon: Andrew Lambo
2008-08-08 10:24
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

David Laurila of Baseball Prospectus has an interview with rising Dodger prospect Andrew Lambo today. Here's his introduction:

Andrew Lambo is making a name for himself with the Great Lakes Loons. Rapidly emerging as one of the top prospects in the Dodgers organization, the 19-year-old Lambo has been one of the best players in the Midwest League this summer, earning All-Star honors while ranking among league leaders in several offensive categories. A left-handed hitting outfielder who was taken by Los Angeles in the fourth round of last year's draft, Lambo debuted in the Gulf Coast League in 2007 where he hit .343/.440/.519 in 54 games. With the Loons, Lambo is hitting .293/.348/.487 with 15 homes runs and 49 EXB (extra-base hits). A notable facet of the lefty swinger's game is an ability to hit southpaws; on the season Lambo is hitting .333/.382/.552 against left-handed pitchers. ...

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2008-08-08 10:30:35
1.   Reddog
It would be exciting if they brought Lambo up when they expand to the 40 man roster.
2008-08-08 10:31:55
2.   Suffering Bruin
From the interview: "I grew up in a place called Southern California..."

I love it.

2008-08-08 10:32:38
3.   Reddog
I assume when he becomes a Dodger, he'll be referred to as Rambo. It seems like a great, natural nickname.
2008-08-08 10:33:06
4.   Greg Brock
Lambo sounds like an incredibly smart hitter.
2008-08-08 10:34:22
5.   Eric Stephen
3 ,1
I like the nickname, but I don't think there's reason for him to draw first blood on the 40-man for a couple of years. No need to waste his option years when they don't have to.
2008-08-08 10:34:40
6.   ToyCannon
It will be fun to see how the San Fernando trio of Moustakas, Dominguez, and Lambo fare as they progress up the minor league steps. We stole Lambo, clean and simple.
2008-08-08 10:37:12
7.   Eric Stephen
Hopefully Lambo can become the best Newbury Park Panther in MLB history. He really only has Robert Fick to beat (sorry, David Lamb).
2008-08-08 10:37:18
8.   Greg Brock
He also dispels the myth that the only difference between LF and RF is having an arm.

They are very different.

2008-08-08 10:39:02
9.   JoeyP
Sample size is irrelevant here, and you seem to think that if Kuo could go back to starting he could throw his fast ball just as HARD as he does as a reliever and just as OFTEN. Neither of those things is true

I think you're arguing that Kuo is only effective in relief because he throws his fastball a bit faster than he does starting. I think that thinking is really under-estimating his other pitches.

A reliever cant get by on just 1 pitch, especially if its fastball & only 93 mph. Maybe if the guy is throwin 98-100, sure. But Kuo isnt that type of pitcher.

Kuo must have other skills to have the success he's had. Those other skills would work in starting or relieving IMO.

2008-08-08 10:39:24
10.   El Lay Dave
Lambo describes "patient hitting" better than I've seen Torre quoted on it:

That's all a hitter can really look for, is to get your pitch to hit. If you sit there chasing a pitcher's pitch, you're going to have a hard time.... When you're in a pitcher's count ... you might strike out on a tough pitch ... [but] Getting fooled, for the most part, is looking stupid on a hitter's count like 2-0 or 3-1 when they throw you something that's not your pitch – and you chase it.

That's the goal; it's a effect that one ends up making the pitcher throw more, one earns more walks, etc.

2008-08-08 10:41:38
11.   Suffering Bruin
Lambo also said he needed to work on the little things. Please, Andrew, please get good at those because nothing is more important than the little things.
2008-08-08 10:42:01
12.   bhsportsguy
2 Home of the Cobra Kai.

(I couldn't resist)

2008-08-08 10:43:38
13.   Jon Weisman
2 - Only Navin Johnson's opening line in "The Jerk" tops it.
2008-08-08 10:45:19
14.   Suffering Bruin
12 I cannot tell you how many valley kids were hopping like praying mantis' during that time. It was a lot.
2008-08-08 10:45:34
15.   Jon Weisman
171 - From the last thread -

You also need to teach Juan Pierre to throw right-handed. After that, though, the sky's the limit ...

2008-08-08 10:46:00
16.   Humma Kavula
10 Good lord, this guy gets it. And he is 19 years old.
2008-08-08 10:47:24
17.   bhsportsguy
14 And hanging out at the Castle Miniature Golf, playing video games, etc.
2008-08-08 10:47:56
18.   bhsportsguy
13 That's how my life story would begin.
2008-08-08 10:48:05
19.   Disabled List
This morning, a co-worker of mine, upon being told that the Russians had invaded Georgia, said: "Oh yeah. I know a lot of people who've moved to Atlanta."

For some reason, Lambo's quote reminded me of that.

2008-08-08 10:50:34
20.   El Lay Dave
12 "Not that boy from Reseda."
2008-08-08 10:50:55
21.   bhsportsguy
19 There have been times when I have told people when traveling that I am from Los Angeles and they look at me as if I came from outer space.
2008-08-08 10:52:44
22.   Eric Stephen
21
It was probably the silver one-piece jumpsuit.
2008-08-08 10:53:24
23.   Humma Kavula
21 That reminds me of the viral audio of the guy trying to get his phone bill fixed... the person at the phone company asks where he's from. He says he's from New Mexico. She says that's not possible, their company only handles domestic customers. New Mexico is a state, he says. No, it isn't -- you can't fool me, she says.

The conversation ends quickly after that.

2008-08-08 10:54:50
24.   Greg Brock
This is also a case where making seriously bad decisions helped somebody in the long run.

Life is weird.

2008-08-08 10:55:59
25.   Sean P
The 35BB to 99K that he has put up this year is a little bit a red flag (458 PA). Of course, he is still very young. But I would like to see those numbers start moving towards each other a little more.
2008-08-08 10:56:33
26.   GoBears
8 He also dispels the myth that the only difference between LF and RF is having an arm.

They are very different.

I don't see it. He says that a LH hitter hits the ball differently to LF than to RF, and same for a RH hitter. Well, sure that's true. But to make the case that it requires different skills (other than arm strength) to play RF than LF, you'd have to argue that LH hitters hit to LF differently than RH hitters hit to RF. Balls hit to the opposite field slice. Balls that are pulled hook.

The only difference that I can imagine would be cause by the handedness of the pitcher (and I don't know if that's true). Maybe the ball comes off a LH hitter's bat differently if thrown by a LHP than RHP (and same for a RH hitter).

Now, if most hitters are RH, then most plays by LFers are on pulled balls, and most plays by RFers are slicing. So the two positions would be different in terms of frequency of certain types of plays. And I suppose an OFer, just like an IFer, could be better at moving to his left versus his right (or v-v).

But otherwise, playing LF should just be the mirror opposite of playing RF. OFers should think about pulled balls vs. opposite-field balls.

Or am I missing something?

2008-08-08 10:57:01
27.   Greg Brock
25 Is there a way to find out if those K's are swinging or looking?
2008-08-08 10:57:24
28.   CanuckDodger
9 -- This can serve as a reply to ToyCannon in the last thread too. I am not saying that Kuo couldn't start and be at least okay in that role, or that he only has one pitch. Kuo is not just an okay reliever; he is god-like in that role, so there is no point in taking him out of the role in which he is amazing to slot him into one where there are good reasons to believe he would not be nearly as effective. And while Kuo has a slider, curve, and change-up, he has said himself (I recently heard, and I don't remember where) that he does not have much much control or command with them. A pitcher who himself admits that about his non-fastball offerings really isn't not suited to starting. And as for possible improvement, we're not talking about a 20-year-old kid like Kershaw. Kuo is past 25, so there is not a tremendous amount of room left for improvement.
2008-08-08 10:59:26
29.   UVaDodger
24
What bad decisions? I don't really know the Lambo biography so well.
2008-08-08 10:59:32
30.   Daniel Zappala
23 I wish I had audio for my conversation with our dentist the other day. I explained that they hadn't credited our account for a payment we made at our last visit. She said that since the payment wasn't in their computer system, it never happened. I explained that the payment had already cleared our credit card account so it must have happened. She said I would have to take it up with the credit card company, since they must not have sent them the money. I said I would be happy to show them the receipt and the cleared statement. As I was about to get ready to drive over there, she called me back, and said the payment somehow didn't get credited properly. At least she apologized profusely.
2008-08-08 11:03:08
31.   CanuckDodger
29 -- Lambo stole a car, and got caught in a school classroom smoking marijuana.
2008-08-08 11:03:14
32.   Greg Brock
26 I'll just say that in my experience, they were very different. Perhaps I am wrong. That does tend to happen quite a bit. For me, however, they were very different.
2008-08-08 11:03:16
33.   bhsportsguy
13 If only more bosses were as honest as Navin's when he explained how the weight guessing game really worked.
2008-08-08 11:03:34
34.   GMac In The 909
0 Lambo is hitting .333/.382/.552 against left-handed pitchers.

OK, but can he hit tough lefties?

2008-08-08 11:07:28
35.   UVaDodger
31 Wow. Seems so grounded and pulled together in the interview. Hopefully he's grown up some, as he seems to be ok at the whole baseball thing.
2008-08-08 11:07:39
36.   Gagne55
29 He got in trouble at Cleveland High, I think for drugs. He then transfered to Newbury Park because the coach, Scott Drootin, was the coach of a little league team he was on. Lambo had an immediate impact on the Panthers. In his first season, junior year (my senior year at NPHS), he broke the school record for homeruns in a season. Even his pitching was better than all others in the league other than Agoura's Jason Stoffel, a senior who would be drafted in the third round. Newbury Park, a school that had been an also ran in baseball for many years improved to 13-1 in League and won the Marmonte League pennent. Second place Agoura was pegged as a national powerhouse coming into the season.
2008-08-08 11:09:14
37.   Greg Brock
The SFV has seriously good baseball. I've always hated that.

Darn you and your good baseball.

2008-08-08 11:10:11
38.   cargill06
31 Rick Vaughn stole a car and he ended up being a good guy.
2008-08-08 11:14:13
39.   Gagne55
37 Newbury Park is in Ventura County.
2008-08-08 11:15:22
40.   Sospiro0
Another story about Lambo which I think I've told before: I was next door to the place where he was staying earlier this year, when I walked outside and found the whole side of the house on fire. I called the police, my girlfriend called Lambo and screamed, "Your house is on fire, get over here right now!" Lambo: "Nah, I'm busy. I'm driving to the airport." House burned to the ground and is still in ashes.

The cause of the fire had nothing to do with him, however, and everything to do with his roommate.

2008-08-08 11:16:24
41.   Sospiro0
*called the fire department that is
2008-08-08 11:16:26
42.   Greg Brock
39 I was just musing. Lambo is from the San Fernando Valley.
2008-08-08 11:17:40
43.   Gagne55
That said, the Marmonte League has produced a fair number of major leaguers: Robert Fick and Tyler Johnson from Newbury Park, Jack Wilson form Thousand Oaks, Mike Leiberthal from Westlake, Jay Gibbons from Moorpark, Jeff and Jered Weaver from Simi Valley.
2008-08-08 11:19:54
44.   ToyCannon
37
That is what happens when you play baseball year round and don't have the beach beckoning within a Lambo throw.

The other guy who would have graduated with those three was Robert Stock who decided to leave HS early and was the starting catcher for USC in what would have been his senior year in HS.

2008-08-08 11:19:57
45.   cargill06
40 Wow, what a tool. Thanks for ruining me rooting for a Dodger prospect. Damn punk kids and their MTV.
2008-08-08 11:21:20
46.   Sospiro0
To be honest, I don't think he really believed the house was completely ablaze.
2008-08-08 11:21:24
47.   Humma Kavula
45 I would also urge Lambo to get off my lawn.
2008-08-08 11:25:54
48.   El Lay Dave
36 Cleveland High in Reseda. See 20 .
2008-08-08 11:27:38
49.   Greg Brock
40 He has tremendous poise. You can't teach that.

Give me nine guys like that.

2008-08-08 11:28:27
50.   Gagne55
I lived on a coldasack off the street Lambo lived in Newbury Park. I'd see him sometimes when walking down the street. He'd say hi to me, recognizing me as the guy who announced NPHS baseball games. I'd never say more than hi back. I felt in awe of his presence, a man so much greater than me.
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2008-08-08 11:29:37
51.   El Lay Dave
49 Which is a useful skill when one has coaches like Larry Bowa around.
2008-08-08 11:33:43
52.   GoBears
coldasack? You hate the French that much?

Awesome.

2008-08-08 11:34:46
53.   Terry A
I've heard bags of frozen peas are the most effective tool for producing the coldasack.
2008-08-08 11:36:14
54.   Terry A
0 - Also, I like the introduction of the new baseball term "homes runs." Because really, you hit homes runs at multiple parks; therefore there are multiple homes, yes?
2008-08-08 11:36:17
55.   Tripon
Larry Bowa eats the young of Dodgers fans.
2008-08-08 11:37:25
56.   himynameisyoo
3 quite the nick name. lambo the rambo?

i also like lamram. then if we have both manny and lambo, we'll have an outfield of manram and lamram.

2008-08-08 11:46:09
57.   underdog
53 Chico Marx would be prouda that one.
2008-08-08 11:47:19
58.   Humma Kavula
57 You can't fool me. There ain't no such thing as Sanity Clause.
2008-08-08 11:53:46
59.   Dane Bramage
Groucho: "Say you're on a horse and want to ford the river..."

Chico: "Why you wanna the Ford when you gotta the horse?"

2008-08-08 11:55:33
60.   silverwidow
Ivan DeJesus (#6) and James McDonald (#9) appear in this week's Prospect Hot Sheet:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/prospect-hot-sheet/2008/266639.html

Old Friend Carlos Santana checks in at #10.

2008-08-08 11:56:06
61.   underdog
58 Well, who you gonna believe, me or your own-a eyes?
2008-08-08 11:57:00
62.   timm
Who's going down or released to make room for Penny?
2008-08-08 11:57:48
63.   underdog
60 Interesting write-up on young Ivan:

"DeJesus's offensive game is predicated upon his strike-zone discipline and his ability to make contact. He has a .303 batting average and a .410 OBP with 66 walks and 70 strikeouts in 108 games. The OBP alone is plenty valuable for a middle infielder, and a promising sign for a player as young as DeJesus already in Double-A. Although he has excellent bat speed, DeJesus doesn't have much power, nor does he project to have much pop. He's slugging just .393, which may pose a problem against major league pitchers who will adjust and attack DeJesus within the strike zone more often if he doesn't show the ability to drive the ball against them. But DeJesus has youth on his side, so even a bit of additional strength would go a long way in his development. What was unusual about DeJesus's week is that the normally smooth-fielding middle infielder made four errors. His range and arm would play better at second base, where his clean actions could help him be an above-average defender."

2008-08-08 11:59:04
64.   Uncle Miltie
Sorry if this has already been discussed, but what prospects are likely to get a September callup? I would assume that Chin Lung Hu will be called up as a defensive replacement/pinch runner.

How close is James McDonald to the majors? What type of pitcher does he project as? Does anyone have a scouting report on him?

I've been so preoccupied with school this year that I haven't had time to follow the Dodgers farm teams.

2008-08-08 12:11:54
65.   Linkmeister
DT icon Danica McKellar is on Science Friday talking about her new book written for middle-school girls.

http://www.sciencefriday.com/program/archives/200808084

2008-08-08 12:12:48
66.   underdog
64 Hu's a definite. DeWitt, too, I should think. McDonald seems likely, too. They may call up a third catcher just to give them more depth/flexibility, like AJ Ellis?

I'm not sure whether they'll bring up DeJesus, too, but it would be fun to see him. And then another pitcher, probably Stults. That's about it. Maybe another hitter from Vegas...

2008-08-08 12:15:26
67.   underdog
Actually, Ellis isn't on the 40 man so scratch that. Would have to be Lucas May, or (gulp) Gary Bennett if they needed catching depth.

Another hitter would have to be Repko, and/or Xavier Paul.

2008-08-08 12:16:48
68.   underdog
64 Re: McDonald, from that aforementioned BA prospect Hot Sheet:

" Why he's here: 1-0, 1.50, 6 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 HR, 2 BB, 10 SO
The Scoop: Solid command of two offspeed pitches, especially a changeup that features good separation and arm speed, has brought McDonald to the cusp of the big leagues. He fanned 10 and walked two in his six-inning Triple-A debut Wednesday at New Orleans. Even though just eight Zephyrs put the ball in play against him, leadoff batter Jesus Feliciano homered to lead off the game, highlighting one area for improvement for the 6-foot-5 righthander. Despite his height, McDonald has just average velocity and plane on his fastball, traits that could be exploited by opposing batters now that he's pitching his home games in Vegas' power-friendly Cashman Field."

2008-08-08 12:20:43
69.   Terry A
Why is the team still pretending that Gary Bennett is going to return? Cut the cord already.
2008-08-08 12:25:00
70.   OhioBlues12
67 - or John Lindsay.

I think there are a couple of assumptions to be made regarding the expanded roster. We have to factor in health. I would say that Furcal, Proctor, Bennett, and DY come back in September. Nomar is going to displace someone next week.

2008-08-08 12:31:54
71.   Jon Weisman
From the press notes:

"Tonight's game marks the fourth time in the last eight games that the Dodgers will face a former Cy Young Award winner, as they have also taken on Brandon Webb, Randy Johnson and Chris Carpenter in addition to Barry Zito since July 31. Other Cy Young Award winners to face the Dodgers this year include C.C. Sabathia, Jake Peavy, Greg Maddux, and Johan Santana for a total of 13 games or 11.3 percent of the schedule to date."

2008-08-08 12:32:20
72.   Gagne55
69 It's more like having a guy on the 60 day DL does no harm, so why not keep him there. I think anybody who has been up at any time this year and is healthy will be called back up: Stults, DeWitt, Repko, Hu, Young. Plus there's always a third string catcher (May) and I think McDonald will get the call as well.
2008-08-08 12:32:23
73.   Jon Weisman
Also: "Over the last month, Matt Kemp has helped carry the Dodgers offensively. Since July 9, the outfielder is batting .337 with a .385 on-base percentage and .574 slugging mark. He has 34 hits, six doubles, six homers and 15 RBI during that span."
2008-08-08 12:33:51
74.   Gagne55
71 Sounds pretty normal to me.
2008-08-08 12:37:50
75.   El Lay Dave
70 Lindsay would need to be added to the 40-man roster, which does not have an open spot.
2008-08-08 12:42:42
76.   OhioBlues12
75 - True, I would have no problem letting go of Alverez.
2008-08-08 12:48:34
77.   GoBears
I suppose the Dodgers are clinging to Berroa in the hope that Garciaparra can make it back for September. But if he can't, then I'd swap Hu and Berroa before the Sept 1 deadline. I'm not counting on Furcal at all.

I'd also try to get Young up, once his oblique is healthy (assuming it's really injured) and give Sweeney a brass watch.

Those seem like two obvious in-house moves to make. Sadly, I'm sure Torre's PVL habit gets really bad come September.

2008-08-08 12:53:51
78.   Eric Stephen
Total Games Started, MLB 2008: 3438
Games Started by former CYA Winners: 217 (6.3%)
2008-08-08 12:56:22
79.   Eric Stephen
Giles vetoed the move to Boston:

-------------

"in the final analysis, Brian said, 'I made a commitment to the Padres three years ago that I would like to fulfill. And it's my hope that at the end of the current season, that they would elect to pick up my option for next year, and I can finish my career with the Padres.'"

http://tinyurl.com/6yof8g

2008-08-08 12:58:18
80.   Eric Enders
Calling up Elbert would have no downside. He needs the work, he's already on the 40-man, you wouldn't be using an option year, and you'd have an alternative in case you were ever tempted to use Jason Johnson in extra innings.
2008-08-08 12:59:28
81.   UVaDodger
79 He just gave up $3-4 million for that move, right? With the trade kicker in his contract? That's a lot of money to avoid living in a hotel for two months.
2008-08-08 13:01:58
82.   Eric Stephen
81
His salary for this year, and next, would increase by $2m if traded. On a prorated basis, he'd gain about $600k this year.

His 2009 option would go from $9m to $11m and be less likely to be exercised. There is a $3m buyout.

2008-08-08 13:03:02
83.   Bob Timmermann
I expect Kemp to hit well tonight since I put him in my brother's fantasy league starting lineup, benching Jermaine Dye.

He's on vacation in the boonies.

2008-08-08 13:03:52
84.   Eric Enders
78 It would be interesting to see the percentage broken down by leagues since almost all former Cy winners pitch in the NL (including AL winners Sabathia, Martinez, Santana, Zito).

The only AL guys are Halladay, plus six starts by Colon.

The NL has the four ex-ALers mentioned above plus Peavy, Carpenter, Webb, Johnson, Glavine, Smoltz, and Maddux.

2008-08-08 13:03:59
85.   Johnson
78 According to that, there's only a 2.7% chance that we'd have faced so many former Cy Youngs. But that's under the assumption that former Cy Youngs are distributed evenly. Looks like of the former CYs, only Halladay and Colon are currently in the AL, and of the 9 in the NL, 5 are in the NL West.

So that would skew our numbers a bit.

2008-08-08 13:04:45
86.   UVaDodger
82 So the salary for the remainder of the season is pro-rated? So at this point it is only a $600k trade kicker for this year? Would his '08 salary only jump the full $2m if he was traded before the season?
2008-08-08 13:06:33
87.   Eric Enders
83 Kemp is the 38th best player in baseball this year according to the Yahoo fantasy baseball rankings.
2008-08-08 13:06:52
88.   Johnson
85 That 9 number of mine doesn't jive with 84 's 11 because I didn't include Smoltz and Pedro due to injuries. Though I did include Carpenter for some arbitrary reason.
2008-08-08 13:07:45
89.   Eric Stephen
86
Would his '08 salary only jump the full $2m if he was traded before the season

Yes.

2008-08-08 13:09:52
90.   Gagne55
80 It costs approximately $70,000 for each minor leaguer called up for September. Those guys don't play for free.
2008-08-08 13:11:17
91.   Bob Timmermann
Spotted in Washington today, a kid wearing a UCLA baseball cap and an SF Giants t-shirt.

What do I do? Too much internal conflict!

2008-08-08 13:12:57
92.   GoBears
Back to an earlier point (and ESPN's #1 post-Favre obsession):

Unless he has text messages or phone transcripts in which Manny admitted he was not trying, the commish could never prove that he was purposely dogging it to get out of Boston. But it's pretty clear that he was.

If I were running the BoSox, I would think about suing Ramirez for breach of contract. They'd lose, but they'd make a point, and maybe deter future goldbrickers with the threat of a time-consuming, possibly costly lawsuit.

OTOH, in losing, they might create open season for goldbrickers.

2008-08-08 13:14:14
93.   JoeyP
Wander if there'll be a "Brian Giles isnt competitive" article written re: Giles declining to take part in a pennant race..?

I think Raffy Palmeiro (before the steroid thing), had declined a trade to the Cubs and he was criticized for it.

2008-08-08 13:14:19
94.   GoBears
91 It's all bad, as far as I'm concerned. Send the kid to a re-education camp.
2008-08-08 13:16:22
95.   Eric Enders
90 True, but that's an insignificant sum for a team that's paying Gary Bennett half a million bucks to stay as far away from the ballpark as he can.
2008-08-08 13:17:44
96.   regfairfield
92 It's going to be hard to prove that Manny wasn't trying when he hit .351/.467/.622 after the All Star Break for Boston.
2008-08-08 13:19:02
97.   regfairfield
80 Elbert isn't on the 40 man.
2008-08-08 13:19:13
98.   UVaDodger
96 I think you are forgetting just how good Manny Ramirez is at baseball.
2008-08-08 13:19:47
99.   silverwidow
80 Elbert isn't on the 40 man. He will need to be added this winter for the Rule 5 draft.
2008-08-08 13:20:08
100.   Eric Enders
92 They'd not only deter groldbrickers, but any players who would consider signing there.

That's another thing caused by the advent of free agency. Teams won't do things like sue their players, and will only very rarely terminate contracts for cause, because it will deter future players from signing there. The only such player I can think of who had such action taken against him is Denny Neagle.

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2008-08-08 13:20:11
101.   regfairfield
98 Pre break: 293/.389/.518

Manny is really bad at dogging it.

2008-08-08 13:20:54
102.   Alex41592
Matt Kemp and Jeff Kent own Barry Zito:

Kemp: 9 for 18 with 3 walks
.500/.571/.556/1.127

Kent: 8 for 16 with 1 HR and 3 walks
500/.579/.813/1.391

Loney, Ethier, Berroa, Casey and Martin all struggle against Zito.

Pierre is 3 for 13.

Manny is 6 for 28 with 3 HR's.

Jones is 3 for 12 with 2 HR's, FWIW.

Pablo Ozuna is 6 for 19 against Zito.

2008-08-08 13:23:40
103.   Bob Timmermann
Shawn Chacon's contract was terminated for cause.
2008-08-08 13:26:13
104.   GoBears
96 Good point. They'd have to point to observable measures of effort, not results. Things like skipping games with phantom injuries, the Green Monster and IPod incidents, etc. Of course, the lesson learned might be - "See? None of that goofy stuff matters - he produced, period!"

100 Also a good point. They would only want to do that if they could assemble some really good (and public-record) evidence.

2008-08-08 13:27:19
105.   regfairfield
104 You could counter that by saying Manny's played more games than anyone on the Sox but Youkliss.
2008-08-08 13:36:13
106.   ToyCannon
On July 5th Zito struck out 10 Dodgers and walked one. Since then he has made 4 starts and struck out 16 while walking 18 and giving up 11 runs in 24 innings. He did throw eight innings of shutout ball in his last start.

Hoping for an Andruw Jones start tonight. 6-4-2 spending some money to take a jab at Ned with his sponsership of the A Jones baseball reference page.

Hard to make fun of Fred Lewis playing LF with Manny in LF for us now, especially after reading that tale about Lewis the other day.

2008-08-08 13:41:34
107.   delias man
I will bet Jones starts today with Pierre and Dre's career #'s vs Zito.
2008-08-08 13:43:08
108.   Eric Stephen
I am happy I will get to listen to Vin tonight and tomorrow, as I will be in the OC and have access to Prime Ticket & KCAL, respectively.
2008-08-08 14:05:28
109.   cargill06
107 If there is someone willing to take that bet I'd say bet the farm.
2008-08-08 14:08:27
110.   cargill06
Can someone look at the top stat line and please explain?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?year=2008&team=TOT&lg=NL

2008-08-08 14:09:57
111.   Alex41592
Paul Lo Duca has signed a minor league deal with the Marlins and has been assigned to AAA Albuquerque. A place he knows pretty well.
2008-08-08 14:10:55
112.   Eric Stephen
110
It was a couple of umpire errors, where they didn't have the correct number of balls.
2008-08-08 14:26:43
113.   joekings
Everyone's favorite reporter at a restaurant in China.

http://tinyurl.com/5mgku9

2008-08-08 14:28:55
114.   Greg Brock
113 I know where you that tag leads, and you might want to slap a warning on it.
2008-08-08 14:28:59
115.   Zak
112 Sounds like a painful problem. I hope they can fix it.

Sorry... I tried to hold off, but it was just sitting out there for 20 mins.

2008-08-08 14:51:44
116.   Jim Hitchcock
Underdog (or others in the know), if you're out there, I'm halfway thinking of driving to the game tomorrow.

Wondering about parking, how good seats are on the arcade level (and would I be able to buy them before the game?), and how far off Interstate 50 tyhe stadium is.

Thanks in advance!

2008-08-08 14:52:12
117.   delias man
Diamond says Russ will not be batting 3rd
2008-08-08 14:53:12
118.   delias man
that was yesterday.
2008-08-08 14:56:50
119.   kngoworld
Between 112 and 115 along with 113 we are traveling on shaky grounds.
2008-08-08 15:03:29
120.   Jim Hitchcock
119 We held Gonad Thoughts on July 2, the day of the infamous Eric Byrnes testicular fracture (it still hurts to type that!).
2008-08-08 15:03:41
121.   Uncle Miltie
91 - probably a Matt Williams and Rick Neuheisel fan. It's understandable.
2008-08-08 15:12:11
122.   Eric Stephen
120
It was Chris Snyder, catcher on my fantasy team.
2008-08-08 15:12:32
123.   ToyCannon
For JoeyP
http://tinyurl.com/65c4bx

Headline via Andrew Shimmin circa April 2006 Dodger Thoughts
http://tinyurl.com/6ko3c5

Royalties will be forthcoming.

2008-08-08 15:21:34
124.   Eric Stephen
112
Upon further review, that was phrased very poorly.

One of the "4-2" counts was on June 29. Orlando Hudson took ball four, but the umpire had the count wrong and called it ball three. Hudson flew out to CF on his 4-2 count.

Details:
http://tinyurl.com/5sql6g (1st paragraph)
http://tinyurl.com/5q46fe (4th inning)

The other 4-2 count was the Pirates' Jason Michaels, who ended up walking anyway on ball 5. I couldn't find the game, but it's one of these:

http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/YS9Z

2008-08-08 15:22:50
125.   Eric Stephen
123
Your second link is a dead one. It redirects to another Tiny URL.
2008-08-08 15:25:54
126.   Jim Hitchcock
122 Oops, thanks!
2008-08-08 15:34:28
127.   ToyCannon
125
http://tinyurl.com/6486mo
2008-08-08 15:35:31
128.   Lexinthedena
113 Cannibalistic
2008-08-08 15:36:08
129.   trainwreck
113
I like how seriously Plaschke takes it at the beginning. Like his some trailblazer and all this.
2008-08-08 15:36:28
130.   trainwreck
*he's
2008-08-08 15:36:36
131.   dzzrtRatt
The Globe story is really dubious. Boras called the Sox after the trade was completed? After he'd gotten what he allegedly wanted? If so, what was supposed to happen? Were the Sox going to call the Dodgers and Pirates and say "jinx?" The trade was completed and the deadline had passed. I don't think MLB has an "I changed my mind" rule.

Boras denies it. The Sox have only made the allegation anonymously. Who's Selig going to ask? The Sox dictated this story so that if Manny caught fire in LA and if Bay was a bust, they'd have put this out there to mitigate the damage. Bud likes it if he can use it to keep the Dodgers from signing Manny long-term.
2008-08-08 15:45:26
132.   Eric Stephen
127
It was Nate who came up with "Kuotastic" in post 276. This of course was before Nate sold out and started working for The Man®.
2008-08-08 15:46:57
133.   ToyCannon
Jim Edmunds with two more home runs today. You could have served up Edmunds and Jones on a Denny toast platter in May. 90 at bats for San Diego produced a .498 OPS.

For the Cubs he's having his best streak since 2004. Who knew this simple innocuous pickup would have paid off so handsomely for the Cubs.
2008-08-08 15:47:40
134.   underdog
116 Hey Jim,
Cool! I'll be there tonight.

Interstate 50, or Interstate 80? 50 is nowhere near SF, but you can change to the 80 in Sac and take that across the Bay Bridge to SF and get off right near the ball park right after the bridge.

Arcade seats are atop right field I believe and next to the bleacher seats, a bit higher and better than bleachers with a view behind you of the water. Not the greatest seats in the world but better than nosebleeds (view reserve). I bet you can find tix for any of the games online or even at the game. Usually Giants-Dodgers sell out or come close but that was in the Barry days. Maybe stubhub?

Parking down third street on the other side of the drawbridge near the stadium, there are lots further down, then you can walk or shuttle to the game. Or park closer to downtown, like 5th and mission garage and walk down to the park. Good luck!

wish I could go to all of them. sunday is tempting...

2008-08-08 15:47:53
135.   ToyCannon
132
Google credits Mr. Shimmin but upon review you are right. Can never trust something called "google".
2008-08-08 15:48:30
136.   delias man
133 And they were about to cut him after the first week also.
2008-08-08 15:56:31
137.   Jim Hitchcock
134 Thanks much, underdog. Have fun tonight...I hear the real Brad Penny is going to show up!
2008-08-08 16:02:28
138.   Jim Hitchcock
Oh, and maybe lower box seats are the way to go. If I'm reading the seating chart right, it's one level below arcade.
2008-08-08 16:03:38
139.   bigcpa
Per ITD. 1/2 day off for Martin.

Kemp, RF
Martin, 3B
Kent, 2B
Manny, LF
Blake, 1B
Jones, CF
Berroa, SS
Ardoin, C

2008-08-08 16:10:19
140.   Dodgers49
After giving up on the Dodgers when they lost the first two games of the 4-game series with the D-Backs, Tony Jackson appears to be back on the bandwagon. :-)

Dodgers' fortunes are on the rise

>> With Martin resting in the series finale, Torre dropped veteran second baseman Jeff Kent into the three-hole. Kent responded by going 3-for-4 with a double and scoring twice, including on Ramirez's home run.

Look for Kent to stay there, maybe for the rest of the season. <<

http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_10134374

2008-08-08 16:11:54
141.   Zak
139 I predict a lot of mid-game manuevering in this game once the SPs are done.

Martin moves to catcher
Blake moves to 3rd
Loney/Sweeney comes in for Ardoin
Pierre comes in for Jones
Osuna comes in for Kent

Man, Joe Torre loves to play with the lineup. Also, all things considered, with the hand he's been dealt with 5 OFs on the team, at least he is playing Matt everyday and rotating Ethier, Jones and Pierre. Hopefully Jones starts showing signs of breaking out.

2008-08-08 16:17:19
142.   Jon Weisman
Remind me how Jones has been doing against curveballs this year?
2008-08-08 16:23:55
143.   ToyCannon
142
This is the future, past performance means nothing.
2008-08-08 16:23:56
144.   Alex41592
139 - An ALL righty lineup. For 6-7 innings at least. Interesting. No Ethier, Loney or Pierre against Zito. None of them are any good against him.
2008-08-08 16:24:58
145.   LogikReader
Not only is I-50 nowhere near SF, there is no Interstate 50!

http://www.interstate-guide.com/interstate.html

http://i50.blogspot.com/2005/12/why-there-is-no-interstate-50.html

How about that?

2008-08-08 16:25:09
146.   D4P
And just like that, Jeff Kent is the best hitter on the team. Who knew.
2008-08-08 16:25:43
147.   underdog
Well, I owe Louis in SF a beer I guess; he was the first to predict that Andruw would start tonight. I have to say, I'd rather see him in there than Pierre so I'm okay with this line-up vs. Zito. But yeah, I can't picture him doing much vs. Zito's curve unless he shows better patience and eye than he has shown so far. We'll see. At least we have Manny and Kemp. Should be interesting. I hope it's Brad and not Bad Penny who pitches tonight.
2008-08-08 16:26:53
148.   Bluebleeder87
It will be interesting to see what Penny we get... My educated guess is that he'll be pretty good sense he is well rested & all.

[ http://tinyurl.com/5enpv4 ]

2008-08-08 16:27:22
149.   underdog
145 It's US Highway 50, not interstate 50. But it does exist.

http://www.westcoastroads.com/california/us-050_ca.html

2008-08-08 16:28:18
150.   Eric Stephen
142
Andruw is hitting .067 with no XBH on curveballs this season:

http://tinyurl.com/5ajxem

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2008-08-08 16:28:56
151.   ToyCannon
148
He'll be pretty good because he's pitching against the Giants.
2008-08-08 16:30:41
152.   ToyCannon
150
That is only because they have all been nasty. Nobody can hit those nasty curveballs he's been getting.
2008-08-08 16:31:44
153.   Jim Hitchcock
145 You know, that makes complete sense, because here in Carson City, 50 makes a turn east. I should've known that!

142 All I know is, my response to his swings on curveballs falls between ugh and arrgh.

2008-08-08 16:34:21
154.   Jim Hitchcock
153 What a dummy. I meant northeast.
2008-08-08 16:38:05
155.   underdog
Well, if Andruw gives the Giants fans something to laugh at but the Dodgers win anyway, I'll leave the game happy.

Btw, it was funny to hear Gary Radnich on KNBR here in SF - he's definitely not a homer anyway - openly say he was rooting for Manny to get a hit every time up because he enjoys watching him hit so much. He said of course he'd prefer to see the Giants win, too (to placate any potentially angry callers) but thinks Manny hitting is a treat for any fan of baseball. Hopefully Manny won't go 0-fer or that'd be a bad sign for LA.

2008-08-08 16:38:21
156.   Alex41592
Andy is still out of the lineup for the Pirates from his injury.
2008-08-08 16:38:24
157.   Bluebleeder87
Sir Paul McCartney spotted at a "Circle K" (quicky mart) in Chicago.

cool! {http://tinyurl.com/6jjv6l}

2008-08-08 16:41:18
158.   Eric Stephen
Highest batting average, Dodger history (minimum 26 PA):

http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/xCmA

I think the nickname of #2 was "No S".

2008-08-08 16:48:01
159.   silverwidow
How about a roster move??
2008-08-08 16:50:01
160.   trainwreck
155
Gary Radnich not a homer?
2008-08-08 16:57:05
161.   Bluebleeder87
man, Babe Herman Rocks! we don't talk about him all that much but his 1930 season was pretty amazing.
2008-08-08 16:58:22
162.   underdog
60 Is he? Every time I hear him in the morning he's making fun of the Niners and the Giants. Maybe I've missed the homer-isms. He seems much more realistic about Bay Area teams than a lot of local announcers...
2008-08-08 16:59:34
163.   underdog
160, rather. And maybe he's just crankier in the morning.

he laughed at some caller who asked about the chances of the Niners making the playoffs this season.

2008-08-08 17:01:26
164.   underdog
Well, in honor of the Giants, I'm going to clean the cat's litter box now before heading out. Wish me luck!
2008-08-08 17:04:11
165.   trainwreck
162
Hmmm, they must have beaten him down. I have not listened to him in ages, but he used to rip on everything Los Angeles and refused to talk about the Oakland teams.

He would have Dodger fans call in and would just berate them.

2008-08-08 17:13:06
166.   Jim Hitchcock
164 Wish you luck cleaning out the cat litter box??
2008-08-08 17:21:42
167.   Dodgers49
150 142 Andruw is hitting .067 with no XBH on curveballs this season:

Our two new miracle working hitting instructors have had several weeks to work with Andruw. Tonight you're about to witness the greatest reclamation project in the history of major league baseball.

Ladies and gentlemen, now appearing for the Los Angeles Dodgers, the new (and greatly improved) Andruw Jones.

Let the cheering began.

2008-08-08 17:27:02
168.   underdog
166 Yes, seriously. Two cats, two boxes, three days, you do the math.

165 Huh, yeah, sounds like he's mellowed. (Actually I think he even said he's mellowed recently; they aired a clip of him yelling at a caller that was from years ago, just to tease him.) Yeah, he mocks bay area teams in general (sorry, Raiders included) more than he used to. He probably still mocks the Dodgers and Dodger fans, but have heard less of that.

Anyway, go Blue!

2008-08-08 17:30:00
169.   DaDoughboy
167.
Andruw hits a bomb tonight. Mark my words.
2008-08-08 17:41:09
170.   Tripon
169

Andruw Jones uses center field as his own personal bathroom. Mark my words.

2008-08-08 17:44:09
171.   ToyCannon
You Andruw Jones guys are crowding my Island, I thought you had all left.
2008-08-08 17:46:03
172.   Alex41592
I have my own bold prediction:

Manny Ramirez will triple in this series. Ti Koob!

2008-08-08 17:46:25
173.   Dodgers49
167 And then there's this:

Jones: 'Too late now' to right miserable debut season in L.A.

>> Asked if he was looking for one hit, one moment that might turn around his season; he shook his head and said, "It's too late now. I just want to put everything behind me and start new. I think every day I've been saying that. We'll see what happens." <<

http://tinyurl.com/6jyp9a

2008-08-08 17:46:30
174.   ToyCannon
168
Four Boxes, three times a day, you do the math.
2008-08-08 17:46:50
175.   paranoidandroid
Roster move yet?

I think it has to be Jason Johnson.

2008-08-08 17:49:08
176.   UVaDodger
169 , 170 You guys aren't going too far enough...i predict that Andruw Jones reprises the Shawn Green game.
2008-08-08 17:53:25
177.   paranoidandroid
My Andruw prediction (hope I'm wrong):

With runners in scoring position, he strikes out twice and hit into a DP. He does go 1 for 4, his hit meaningless with two outs and nobody on.

However, his average will climb!

We do have a winning record when he starts.

2008-08-08 17:56:08
178.   D4P
We do have a winning record when he starts

Dodgers's OPS in 2008:

vs. LH: .770
vs. RH: .677

2008-08-08 18:12:45
179.   paranoidandroid
If Penny isn't effective, how long until Maddux is a Dodger? I think by next week.
2008-08-08 18:25:15
180.   LeeLacy
157 "Circle K is in my ears and in my eyes/A four of fish and finger pies ..."
2008-08-08 18:27:47
181.   68elcamino427
The photo of Giles on the Dodgers site reminds me of Sutton.
Giles pedigree as a Vero Beach bat boy reminds me of Garvey.
Worlds in collision!
2008-08-08 18:28:42
182.   Bumsrap
Between the St Louis announcers repeating what Bowa told them and Matingly on XM, Torre and Matingly are pointing out Manny's hitting technique live to Jones and anybody nearby. See the pause they tell them.

Bowa said Jones last homerun was a case of the ball hitting the bat. That Jones is lunging forward, trying to pull everything and trying to hit a homerun on every swing.

2008-08-08 18:31:27
183.   Bumsrap
So, who will be the next LaRoche that DTers try to will into the starting line-up?

Hu, DeJesus, Lambo, Elbert, McDonald, Kuo, DeWitt, Abreu?

2008-08-08 18:39:17
184.   Tripon
179 Maddux will be a Dodger by the time Kershaw reaches his innings count. I fully expect Kershaw to be in the bullpen when we reach the playoffs, if the Dodgers are serious about protecting Kershaw's arm, and they are.
2008-08-08 18:46:12
185.   paranoidandroid
I wouldn't be surprised by Maddux arriving in time for his next start and pushing everyone else back a day.

Also, Lowe could then come in out of the pen this weekend if Penny or Kuroda don't get deep into their games.

It is later in August, less money to deal with for Maddux, but I'm sure we don't want to give up too much to get him.

2008-08-08 18:53:19
186.   D4P
Jeff Kent is BAing .364 in August, yet OPSing only .773
2008-08-08 18:53:40
187.   68elcamino427
Dodgers vs. Giants - Roseboro vs. Marichal - Never Forget.

No way the Torre should treat the line-up vs. the Giants like a science experiment.

Bet ya he would never pull such a prank in a Yankees vs. Red Sox contest.

This time it's for real.

2008-08-08 18:56:21
188.   Alex41592
1-0 D'Backs Drew solo HR Top 2. Chipper Jones in back in the lineup for the Braves but GIDP'd in the 1st.
2008-08-08 18:56:54
189.   D4P
For how long has table tennis been an Olympic sport...?
2008-08-08 18:58:01
190.   Tripon
186 Well, Kent is a singles hitter who doesn't walk much now.
2008-08-08 18:58:13
191.   GoBears
I don't want the Dodgers to give up anything to get Maddux. For one thing, Maddux is no longer any better than half a dozen current candidates for that rotation spot. For another, trading anything of value to a division rival is a bad idea, and I'd trust the SD front office to judge value before I'd trust Ned Colletti to do it.

If Colletti does trade for Maddux, it will be an attempt to catch the same bolt of lightning twice. "Hey, this is the one deal I've been praised for!"

2008-08-08 19:02:05
192.   Tripon
Huh, J.D. Drew batting lead off for the Red Sox tonight. 0-3 with a K so far, but its an interesting move.
2008-08-08 19:03:45
193.   The Dude Abides
Tony Jackson reported that the Borg got DFA'd.
2008-08-08 19:05:57
194.   Alex41592
2-1 Braves Prado 2 RBI double Top 2.
2008-08-08 19:07:31
195.   Jon Weisman
NPUT

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