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Out There in the Fields
2008-08-09 10:20
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Bringing back an old Dodger Thoughts feature: Tell us something in the comments that we might not know about a team other than the Dodgers.

Or, chat about the Dodgers. Or the Olympics. Or whatever. It's a lazy Saturday...

Reminder: The Dodger Thoughts Picnic is a week from today.

Comments (113)
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2008-08-09 11:16:25
1.   KingKopitar
The Los Angeles Kings have Dustin Brown, a 23 year-old right winger who scored 33 goals last year and led the league with 323 hits. He does this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw4r4FmwZ28

(It didn't have to be baseball, did it?)

2008-08-09 11:20:43
2.   overkill94
Not quite team-specific, but there are a ton of closer situations that are in flux right now:

Mets - Wagner on the DL, Heilman the favorite, old friend Sanchez in the mix but dealing with a dead arm, new guy Kunz a dark horse

Indians - Kobayashi blowing it lately, R. Perez used more as a smokejumper but also getting some save opps, Jensen Lewis for some reason got the save last night

Pirates - Hard to know since they get so few save opportunities, but Grabow looks like the favorite with Yates and newly-acquired Craig Hansen (who got the save in the 12th last night) also in the mix.

A's - With Street struggling lately, wunderkid Brad Ziegler is a possibility to grab some saves and look to extend his MLB-record 37-inning beginning of his career streak.

I'm sure there are others, but those are the most volatile.

2008-08-09 11:25:07
3.   Alex41592
Joe Inglett is a HR shy of the cycle in three at bats.
2008-08-09 11:29:32
4.   overkill94
Orange alert for Joe Inglett of the Blue Jays!
2008-08-09 11:30:18
5.   overkill94
3 I knew I should have refreshed first.

On a side note, I just picked Inglett up for my AL-only fantasy team a few days ago

2008-08-09 11:36:34
6.   Andrew Shimmin
Todd Helton is having the worst year of his career; 102 OPS+ with a SLG below .400. He's signed through 2011 and still owed $52.4 million after this year (plus a $4.6 million buyout of his 2012 option year).
2008-08-09 11:50:33
7.   CajunDodger
LSU football starts in 21 days 2 hours and 9 minutes.

Not that I'm counting or anything...

2008-08-09 11:51:57
8.   Tripon
Free Todd Helton.
2008-08-09 11:53:05
9.   underdog
The Marlins signed old heart and soul catcher Paul Lo Duca to a minor league deal. Lo Duca heads to Triple A as the team's insurance plan.

And speaking of old friends/catchers, how about Henry Blanco still playing, yet alone his game winning RBI last night for the Cubs? He has a .289 OBP in his 11 year career.

4 Did you have fun at the game last night? (If you went.) We enjoyed it. :-)

2008-08-09 11:55:15
10.   underdog
I'm off to get lost at REI for an afternoon of overshopping. Will be setting Tivo to tape the game tonight, since I won't be going or around to watch most of it. I won't accept anything less than 2 out of 3 this weekend from LA.
2008-08-09 11:58:30
11.   overkill94
9 Didn't make it to last night's game, we went and saw the Dark Knight again instead.

I am going to tonight's game and hopefully tomorrow's game. Tonight I have tickets in the lower box, section 104 which is right around the RF foul pole. They look like decent enough seats and only cost $30 apiece.

2008-08-09 12:01:28
12.   underdog
11 Nice! That's not too much farther than where we sat last night, and cheaper than my tix were. I think just a bit more exposed to the elements (bring a jacket!) Enjoy.

Oh, and before I go, here's a story from a couple days ago on how Meloan is progressing at Buffalo.

http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/story/408260.html

I'm sort of surprised he's not up with the Indians given the state of their bullpen, but obviously he'll join them in a month.

2008-08-09 12:04:43
13.   Andrew Shimmin
Did FSN loan Lindsay Soto to NBC for the Olympics, or did she jump ship?
2008-08-09 12:05:22
14.   preacherroe
Cajun, Auburn fan here. The Tigers and Tigers are supposed to be the big dogs in the SEC West. Who's going to be the qb for LSU? As usual the SEC will be a war. Best football conference bar none in USA.
2008-08-09 12:06:50
15.   cloakedarbiter
Northwestern football is going to finish in the top half of the Big Ten this year.

This is a fact. You heard it hear on Dodger Thoughts first!

2008-08-09 12:07:05
16.   overkill94
Is there a statistical reason for the Dodgers to have so much better playoff odds than the D-Backs (56.1-40.9% according to espn.com) or is it more of an objective thing?
2008-08-09 12:07:08
17.   old dodger fan
Something you might not know about the Olympics-Soccer started 2 days before the Opening Ceremony because it takes more than 2 weeks to run the tournament.

Something you certainly don't know-I was able to attend 2 of the games on Thursday in Shanghai. My 1st (and probably last) Olympic events attended. What a treat.

2008-08-09 12:07:51
18.   Frip
At my favorite Inland Empire Outback Steakhouse bar last night and they were showing a pre-season football game instead of the Dodger game. Disturbing. I almost wept for this country.
2008-08-09 12:10:51
19.   cloakedarbiter
The Olympics Equestrian events will be held in Hong Kong.

It's the sport where competitors take their horses and leap over obstacles and do funny dances in the shortest amount of time.

2008-08-09 12:15:01
20.   Greg Brock
Equestrian for Summer Olympics on the Apple IIe was the most impossible video game ever.

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2008-08-09 12:17:47
21.   old dodger fan
18 I think I would have gone somewhere else.

Where I live (Virginia) we are 3 hours from any ML teams but the NFL is the undisputed King of favorite sports among my co-workers. College FB is probably second. MLB is, at best, a distant 3rd. NHL does not exist. NCAA BB tournament is a big deal too but it's all about the money (I love it because I won 2 of the last 3).

2008-08-09 12:18:19
22.   old dodger fan
18 I think I would have gone somewhere else.

Where I live (Virginia) we are 3 hours from any ML teams but the NFL is the undisputed King of favorite sports among my co-workers. College FB is probably second. MLB is, at best, a distant 3rd. NHL does not exist. NCAA BB tournament is a big deal too but it's all about the money (I love it because I won 2 of the last 3).

2008-08-09 12:19:16
23.   old dodger fan
My 1st double post. Stupid computer (It couldn't be me).
2008-08-09 12:19:43
24.   overkill94
Wow, I didn't realize how good the Dodgers have been at limiting HR's this year - leading the majors with 86 given up which is one less than the A's and 16 fewer than the next-best in the NL, San Francisco.
2008-08-09 12:22:45
25.   D4P
Equestrian for Summer Olympics on the Apple IIe was the most impossible video game ever

The Track and Field arcade game was pretty tough.

2008-08-09 12:28:20
26.   goofus
It's just my opinion but I'd wager a little money on it if I had to... Broxton has plenty of physical ability to be a good closer. BUT he will never be as good as Gagne or Saito or ..... because he doesn't have enough confidence in himself. Call it 'heart', call it 'stones', call it whatever you like, but as he has already demonstrated enough to convince me, he is not going to reach the level of the 'automatic save'. If I were Ned and someone offered a great youn player or two in exchange, I'd take it.
2008-08-09 12:30:28
27.   Icaros
7

I was on Bourbon Street the night of January 4, 2004.

2008-08-09 12:30:31
28.   MollyKnight
Philip Rivers looked better in training camp than the seven other NFL QBs I saw (all the west teams, minus KC, plus Dallas).
2008-08-09 12:32:59
29.   Greg Brock
It's double entendres galore at the rowing events.
2008-08-09 12:33:06
30.   Tripon
26 Saito was a career reliever in Japan, and was constantly injured. Gagne had help in the form of HGH. Lets not try to write off Broxton because he's still learning his craft, he just has to learn how to pace himself.

Before when he was warming up as the 8th inning set up man, he usually went into the game. Now, as the closer he's usually only in when there's a lead in the 9th. The problem is that he's still warming up on days he's not used due to the close leads the Dodgers had, or lost close games. Broxton's fine, its just the Dodgers have been using him incorrectly.

2008-08-09 12:33:18
31.   xaphor
26 Or we could just resign ourselves to using him in important situations instead.
2008-08-09 12:33:26
32.   larry slimfast
The Royals are still in the league
2008-08-09 12:35:48
33.   Tripon
The Royals are still a farm team for the Yankees.
2008-08-09 12:38:10
34.   xaphor
33 If Berroa is any indication, the Royals are trading up.
2008-08-09 12:43:15
35.   Tripon
Eric Brynes is doing a skit arguing that the Cubs is the best team in the NL. Does he even play with the D'Backs anymore, or does he just work for FOX doing these silly skits?
2008-08-09 12:46:23
36.   Linkmeister
Who the heck expected the US to sweep the medals in women's sabre? Who knew the US participated in women's sabre?

And a note to the volleyball announcers: Heather Bown pronounces her last name Bow-en.

2008-08-09 12:49:01
37.   Xeifrank
For the first month of the season the Tampa Bay Rays could be had at 150:1 odds to win the World Series. That would be quite a hual if they were to pull it off.
vr, Xei
2008-08-09 12:49:46
38.   Joe Pierre
With the aquistions of Casey Blake and Manny Ramirez the Dodger dynamics have certainly changed for the better.
I no longer hope only for a division title, maybe a win in the first round and being proud the team is one of the top eight teams, but now........
YOU NEVER KNOW.
2008-08-09 12:51:03
39.   Disabled List
Today is the 20th anniversary of the Wayne Gretzky trade.

Something to reflect on while we root for another recently acquired superstar who wears #99.

2008-08-09 12:52:14
40.   xaphor
Manchester City's summer signing of 21-year-old Brazilian forward Jo was bought from CSKA Moscow to the tune of £19 million ($38 million) and will be on the field later tonight/tomorrow in China hoping to bring home Brazil's first gold medal in the event.
2008-08-09 12:54:55
41.   Andrew Shimmin
Byrnes is on the DL. He's been out for more than a month, after trying to come back from having lost a month. He probably won't be back this year. Turns out, hamstrings are kind of important.
2008-08-09 13:05:58
42.   Andrew Shimmin
Bush 41 gave his hankie to the sabre gold medalist who'd gotten a little misty eyed on the stand. Pretty smooth.
2008-08-09 13:07:08
43.   Prescott Pete
Bishop Amat football will be better this year. Or not.
2008-08-09 13:14:12
44.   trainwreck
43
I hope so, since UCLA already has two commits from that school.
2008-08-09 13:15:29
45.   trainwreck
This is a sad day, folks. Bernie Mac, the man with perhaps the greatest short routine in stand-up history, is gone. Easily the best Def Jam performance ever and one of the best comics there ever was.

RIP Bernie Mac

2008-08-09 13:17:26
46.   Tripon
UCLA will win 7-5 games, and then go to the Las Vegas bowl, and promptly spend all day and night at Circus Circus and lose the game 20-6 to a hungry Mountain West team, and nobody will care because they're following the pattern USC made in 2002. :)
2008-08-09 13:17:53
47.   Tripon
46 I mean, 2001.
2008-08-09 13:19:20
48.   trainwreck
If UCLA goes to a bowl game and wins 7 games, then we had a great year.
2008-08-09 13:20:55
49.   Tripon
48 UCLA went 6-6 last year. And you're happy with 7-5 this year?

What a difference a year makes.

2008-08-09 13:24:27
50.   trainwreck
The offense is absolutely terrible. The o-line and quarterback are just plain bad.
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2008-08-09 13:27:15
51.   Greg Brock
I would be absolutely shocked if the Bruins have a .500 record or better this year.
2008-08-09 13:33:42
52.   Kevin Lewis
45

Wow, complications from pneumonia and at age 50. Very sad

2008-08-09 13:34:50
53.   overkill94
Anybody else see that a "close friend" of Manny says he wants to play for the Yankees next year? We all saw how well that worked out for Johnny Damon and the Yankees.
2008-08-09 13:37:29
54.   Eric L
19 I learned this morning that being fat is not a desirable trait for a female equestrian participant. The announcer gave one of the girls kudos for "being in much better shape" which is fine until she followed it up with "as she has had a weight problem for quite some time."

I've learned so many new things while feeding my son. When he wakes up from a nap, he is usually starving and whatever the last channel I flipped to stays on for a bit.

2008-08-09 13:43:40
55.   Tripon
53 I had to roll my eyes at that, the rag posting that is the Post!

Not that I don't expect the Yankees making a push for Manny.(They're the Yankees, just getting a guy that can stick it to the Red Sox might be worth it, and they certainly have the money.) But that Post story was weak, and didn't have any great sources. Its the same slockey stuff that Dan Shaughnessy wrote for the Globe.

IF anything, all the Post is saying that the Yankees are going to be suitors for Manny along with the Dodgers, and perhaps two or three other teams.

2008-08-09 13:51:40
56.   tjdub
BYU is 2nd to USC on my CFB rooting list, but I must say that I'm glad Ben Olson transferred. BYU is much better off with Max Hall.
2008-08-09 14:00:01
57.   CajunDodger
14
Ahhh...SEC football talk on a site that enforces rules of decorum.

I think that Andrew Hatch will end up with the job. He is a classic drop back QB with a previous relationship with Gary Crowton (our offensive coordinator). He will have a pretty short leash.

2008-08-09 14:06:03
58.   CajunDodger
27
I had tickets but could not make the game (ended up making 200 bucks profit, though).

As a longsuffering fan, it is almost criminal that I missed that game.

Prediction: my Tigers will be 10-2 with losses to Georgia and Auburn. Just not enough QB to cope with the Georgia defense.

2008-08-09 14:10:41
59.   Louis in SF
Went to the game last night has part of the Norcal DT contingent and had a great time. Am going tonight and will be on the 3rd base side section LB 121 seat 31. Overkill if you come by that way say hello.
2008-08-09 14:12:13
60.   CajunDodger
56
I coached basketball against Olson when he was at Harvard Westlake. He was an athletic freak on the court. Lets you know just how good you have to be to make it in D1 college sports.
2008-08-09 14:13:55
61.   Prescott Pete
59
Rumor has it Bonds will be at the game tonight as part of the Giants "outfield" celebration. I hope our guys can run up a dominate win tonight.
2008-08-09 14:19:47
62.   trainwreck
60
Weird to think of Mr. Goofy Slowfoot as an athletic freak.
2008-08-09 14:20:48
63.   overkill94
59 Will do! I'll be the one in the blue DT shirt.
2008-08-09 14:26:55
64.   Tripon
Olsen is a white elephant.
2008-08-09 14:33:31
65.   Tripon
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080809/ap_on_re_us/cloned_dogs_mormon_hostage

The woman who cloned her dog is apparently a bail jumping sexual assault S&M committing stalker.

2008-08-09 14:35:22
66.   GoBears
26 It's just my opinion but I'd wager a little money on it if I had to... Broxton has plenty of physical ability to be a good closer. BUT he will never be as good as Gagne or Saito or ..... because he doesn't have enough confidence in himself.

I have a different hypothesis - that the difference between a good closer (really, reliever) and a great one is that the great ones have an out pitch that fools hitters, rather than overpowering them. Gagne and Hoffman had devastating change-ups that got guys swinging. Saito had all that late movement on what - slider? But as successful has he was, I was always nervous watching him. With Gagne and Hoffman, it seemed like 2 strikes automatically meant 3.

In Mariano Rivera's case, it's that cutter that batters still hit, but never hit hard.

A pitch that fools hitters takes the outcome out of the hands of the umpire, for one thing, close strike/ball calls irrelevant. I think a big curve ball would do the same thing as a pitch in the dirt.

When Broxton gets into trouble, it's often from falling behind after not getting borderline calls. He either overpowers guys or needs calls on the outside corner (to RHB). With his 97 MPH FB, I think he would be great if he could add a 78 MPH changeup. If he could dip that into the 60s, like Gagne did, wow. But so far, he hasn't been able to.

I might be completely wrong about this. Does it sound at all right to people?

2008-08-09 14:36:43
67.   trainwreck
65
Brock is going to love her.
2008-08-09 14:38:59
68.   GoBears
65. Wow, how long before that's an Law & Order episode?

Wow.

2008-08-09 14:43:19
69.   trainwreck
66
I have been saying Broxton needs a change-up since I first saw him pitch. Makes total sense to me.
2008-08-09 14:44:11
70.   twerp
About halfway thinking out loud what would happen if the Dodgers get Maddux===

A 6-man rotation might result. Definitely outside the MLB box, but maybe feasible. Torre was threatening it earlier in the year, but the idea quickly dissipated. A 6-man would weaken the bullpen by subtracting a pure reliever, I suppose. But then the bullpen might be needed less if better-rested starters went deeper into games more often, which in turn would rest the remaining relievers more.

There'd be talk that a 6-man would foul up the starters' off-day routines and such. Maybe. But this reaction is likely to be mostly mental, more to do with comfort levels with the way things have been done for however many years. An organization as tradition-bound and conservative as the Dodgers isn't likely to do it, especially since they probably would perceive it as taking too much risk with the playoffs still very achievable. And maybe they'd be right. But then maybe it shouldn't be just automatically ruled out.

As far as specific starters: Kuroda probably would benefit. It's what he's been used to in Japan. More of the dominating Kuroda who earned opponent praise as having the best stuff seen all year (twice, I think, after each of his shutouts) would be great. He's had a ton of adjustments to make in a tougher league, but being able to get into his normal weekly routine might allow him to be more consistent, at least.

Lowe might not be helped. Sinkerballers can have trouble with being too fresh and throwing too hard and losing some action on their sinkers. Sinkers that don't sink don't do much, except maybe disappear over a fence somewhere. (See Lowe, D. v. Cardinals, St. Louis, this week.) Seems like I've heard that sinkerballers actually pitch better when they're a bit tired since they can't overthrow. Also, Lowe has been a successful reliever before, so in theory he could be a swingman. (But, then, what if any, theories apply to Lowe?)

Penny, with probably a still-tender shoulder, probably would be helped bc of less workload, at least in theory. Younger pitchers Kershaw and Billz might benefit from less innings at the time of year when fatigue factors in more. It certainly would help limit Kershaw's innings, an organizational goal.

Maddux depends more on guile these days; I wouldn't think it'd matter much with him. Also, while the future HOF starter might not go for it, he'd probably be an ideal swing man between the rotation and the pen due to his smarts and PVL factor (the good kind).

Turns might be skipped or maybe swapped for matchups, stadium factors, certain lineups, and such. At this time of year fresher arms hardly could be a bad thing, especially since pitching is the key to the Dodgers going anywhere.

OK, so much for baseball heresy. Back to the usually scheduled whatever.

{goes on alert for tomatoes tossed his way for non-traditional thinking}

2008-08-09 14:51:23
71.   Tripon
68 Hopefully its the original Law and Order series, and not SVU. The SVU crew would somehow turn this into an unwatchable ep, like they did with the Second Life ep. :(
2008-08-09 14:51:55
72.   overkill94
Every reliever would benefit from a diverse arsenal, but you really only need two plus pitches to be great. To my eyes, Broxton's slider isn't quite sharp enough to be a plus pitch, but it's good enough that it allows him to be effective. He's not quite in the elite category yet, but he's still definitely good enough to be a top-20 closer.
2008-08-09 14:55:45
73.   Gagne55
Why would anyone want a six man roatation. It's hard enough for many teams just to find five capable starters. You would be taking innings away from the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th best guys and giving them to the sixth.
2008-08-09 14:56:17
74.   regfairfield
72 Top 20 is way underestimating him. The number 20 closer in baseball is somewhere around George Sherill. Broxton is below the elite guys like Nathan and Papelbon, but he's better than almost anyone else.
2008-08-09 15:00:12
75.   Daniel Zappala
Angels: Jose Arredondo, 24 years old and a rookie, has become a setup man for K-Rod, along with Scott Shields. He's been very effective, with a WHIP below 1, and has replaced the ineffective Speier as a key member of the bullpen. Pitching (both starting and relieving) is what makes the Angels favorites to make it to the World Series from the AL.
2008-08-09 15:01:14
76.   Daniel Zappala
After two homers, the Angels are back in it against the Yankees, 3-3 going to the 8th.
2008-08-09 15:14:13
77.   68elcamino427
This Angels team looks pretty good.
2008-08-09 15:25:13
78.   gpellamjr
The Dodgers could be in first place a half game up at the end of the day! How exciting is that?
2008-08-09 15:30:54
79.   overkill94
74 Yeah, I guess you're right considering how many closer roles are in flux
2008-08-09 15:36:10
80.   Dodgers49
51s can't stem tide in loss to first-place Sacramento

>> Things were going so smoothly for the Las Vegas 51s on Friday night at Cashman Field.

A 3-0 first-inning deficit to Sacramento had turned into a 4-4 tie after five innings, starting pitcher B.J. LaMura yielded the ball to reliever Jerome Williams, and a calm fell over the 51s crowd.

The calm before the storm. <<

## • NOTES -- The Dodgers released second baseman Kevin Howard after he batted .257 in 60 games for the 51s. Howard missed more than 50 games with a sprained medial collateral ligament. ... The 51s activated infielder Rex Rundgren from the disabled list in an unrelated move. . ##

http://www.lvrj.com/sports/26468474.html

2008-08-09 15:36:45
81.   68elcamino427
26
Broxton turned 24 on June 16th.
So far this season:
IP 47.2, BB 18, SO 57 - This is MLB baseball!
Stones? Probably wouldn't be wise to be within 50 yards of Broxton and ask him a question like that.
Broxton is the Closer. Is he comparable to Gagne at this stage of his career?
66
Sounds all right to me. Gee whiz - Broxton's only starting out - he'll learn some more tricks.
2008-08-09 15:44:47
82.   GoBears
72 Every reliever would benefit from a diverse arsenal, but you really only need two plus pitches to be great.

Yeah, this is what I've always heard too. My point is that the pitcher is best off if that 2nd pitch is one that deceives. But perhaps that's too vague.

There are basically 3 ways to fool a hitter:

1. A pitch that looks like a ball but darts into the zone. A big curve ball is the most likely one here, but not too many closers throw one, perhaps because if it's recognized, it will cease to fool (think Zito) and since it's ending up as a strike, it will be hit hard.

2. A pitch that looks like a strike, but ends up out of the zone. Sliders, some sidearm curves, splitters, forkballs, changeups. This is usually the 2nd pitch of a good reliever.

3. A pitch that looks like a fastball, but isn't. These are the changeups and 2-seamers that sink. I guess usually a subcategory of #2, but some guys throw changeups for called strikes, just hoping batters will swing early.

Seems to me that the most common 2nd pitch these days is a slider, and there aren't that many guys who can either disguise their slider as a FB, or who have a enough bite, as you say, to avoid solid contact. A swooping slider is no good, because batters will just spit on it.

Nothing wrong with a hard slider, but I agree that Broxton needs to change speeds more dramatically to become top-notch.

2008-08-09 15:46:53
83.   gpellamjr
Courtesy of ITD:

Kemp, CF

Ethier, RF

Kent, 2B

Manny, LF

Loney, 1B

Martin, C

Blake, 3B

Berroa, SS

Kuroda, P

2008-08-09 15:48:27
84.   PalmdaleSteve1
Plasma or LCD?

I'm getting a second HD receiver for my Dish network, so I get to buy a second HD TV. The question is Plasma or LCD?

I've found a deal on a Plasma that is actually cheaper than the same size in LCD, so if money was the decision point...

What say you O great and might DT readership?

2008-08-09 15:49:20
85.   Gagne55
78 Not very much considering that the Dodgers have been in such a situatuion a ton of times over the month and been turned away every time.
2008-08-09 15:49:44
86.   GoBears
I want to make it clear that I'm not complaining about Broxton. As 81 says, he's very young and very good. But that's what I think he should spend this off-season working on.

I'm sure this would not be news to Honeycutt or anyone else. It's odd how few guys can throw good changeups, and probably not for lack of trying. I remember Pedro Martinez attributing his terrific changeup to his freakishly long (and double-jointed?) fingers. That burying the ball deep in his palm and having it roll off those long fingers allowed a much slower delivery with the same arm motion.

Any pitchers around here who can explain the key to the changeup?

2008-08-09 15:52:47
87.   Gagne55
The Dodgers were tied for first five times between July 7 and July 21. They never took the lead and were 1-4 in such a position.
2008-08-09 15:54:46
88.   Gagne55
Not to say this won't necessarily be the breakthrough game. I'm just not very confident. The Dodgers have had sole position of first once this season: April 4.
2008-08-09 15:55:04
89.   Fallout
The problem with growing pitchers to be a closer is that they don't get enough innings to learn an extra pitch and be able to use it in a stressless situation.
2008-08-09 15:57:09
90.   preacherroe
#57- I can exercise decorum until some redneck brings up Nick Satan and the Crimson Tide. I'm sure he's a popular cat in Bayou Bengal country too. I respect the LSU ,Florida and Georgia programs. (Don't care much for Fat Phil and the Volunteers)
Georgia's scary with Stafford and Moreno. Moreno's as good a running back as there's been in the SEC in a while.
Auburn's iffy with the new offense and a depleted secondary. They have a lot of weapons on offense and a really good O line and defensive front seven. Trey Blackmon, the linebacker known as the "little ball of hate" is looking to have a breakout year.Looking forward to an exciting fall.
2008-08-09 15:57:48
91.   Xeifrank
I just recently started listening to the Angels radio station in the car, when the Dodgers aren't on, and boy they sure do hate the Dodgers and Dodger ownership. Why don't they just worry about themselves, they have a nice thing going. Kind of sounds like the SF fans. They want to have their World Series parade in downtown LA, to stick it to the Dodgers. sheesh!
vr, Xei
2008-08-09 15:58:23
92.   bhsportsguy
I have to run but it is rather odd that the week after Joe basically said that his outfield was going to be Pierre, Kemp and Manny, in these last 5 games, Kemp and Manny have started all 5, Jones and Pierre once and Ethier 3 times.
2008-08-09 15:58:24
93.   larry slimfast
86 the thing that makes most change-up's slow is that doesn't roll off of the longer fingers... or if it does it is on the ring finger side of the middle finger. This often causes it to break the opposite of a curve or slider and is why most pitcher without a really strong change throw it only to opposite handed batters.

Less spin off of the fingers makes it slower with the same arm motion as a fastball.

2008-08-09 15:59:50
94.   bhsportsguy
84 Plasmas weigh a lot more than LCDs if that matters to you.
2008-08-09 16:00:32
95.   overkill94
86 All I know is that I was never able to throw one. My fingers aren't all that long so I guess that had something to do with it. I just couldn't get the ball to roll off correctly and could never command it. It's especially tough for power pitchers to throw a good change-up because there's so much force going into the delivery. Guys like Jamie Moyer can throw a great one because their motion is slow enough that the ball can freely roll off their fingers. Growing up I threw a knuckle-curve that acted a lot like a splitter, but that was pretty hard to command as well.

I ended up pretty much using a power reliever's arsenal even though I probably top out at about 80 - 4-seam fastball, cutter, slider, and occasional curve.

2008-08-09 16:01:05
96.   natepurcell
83

I would switch Martin with Blake. Other than that, nice lineup.

2008-08-09 16:06:39
97.   overkill94
82 I must say that Broxton's slider is one that would trick hitters into thinking it's a fastball considering it's coming in at around 90 MPH and doesn't have a huge break.

For whatever reason it seems that lefties like Big Unit and Wagner are able to have hard sliders with huge breaks. The best slider I can think of by a righty is K-Rod's, but even his has more of a slurve break to it. Broxton's slider is pretty typical of most power pitchers' - tight spin but not a ton of break.

2008-08-09 16:07:41
98.   68elcamino427
Nice line-up with the Bison, Ethier, Loney, and Martin.
What's Berroa's offensive production like since Manny arrived? Berroa is hitting the ball now.
2008-08-09 16:08:26
99.   Daniel Zappala
84 LCD. Plasma can't be viewed from the side as well. Plasma also sometimes has problems with burn-in.
2008-08-09 16:14:30
100.   68elcamino427
96
Is Martin getting some protection from the experienced vetran Blake?
Maybe Martin will see an extra fastball tonight?
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2008-08-09 16:37:13
101.   Dodgers49
87 The Dodgers were tied for first five times between July 7 and July 21. They never took the lead and were 1-4 in such a position.

But Manny wasn't here then. We're ready to make our move. :-)

2008-08-09 16:37:40
102.   bigcpa
83 That's 4 sits in 5 games since Sticking-it-to-me-gate.
2008-08-09 16:45:29
103.   sporky
ETHIER!
2008-08-09 16:46:10
104.   sporky
102 Did someone get forked?
2008-08-09 16:51:44
105.   Dodgers49
The D-Backs have Haren going tonight with Webb facing Mike Hampton tomorrow so we may have to wait until next week to take over. We just need to keep winning because once Arizona gets past its top three they're in trouble. But our seven games next week against the Phillies and Brewers are going to be tough.
2008-08-09 17:00:08
106.   CajunDodger
90
I have made my peace with Little Nicky (winning another National Title will do that for a fan). Miles is not quite as good of a coach as far as tactics, but he is much better with recruits (we have 16 committed already).

I really REALLY like our defensive line. We can get by the QB situation, but I think we will lose two of the Georgia, Florida, Auburn, and Alabama games.

2008-08-09 17:08:06
107.   Disabled List
I love tonight's lineup. That's probably the best lineup Joe Torre could put out there with the players currently on the team. And that's maybe just the 4th or 5th time this season I've been able to say that.
2008-08-09 17:09:23
108.   oshea2002
106 - I think your qb is such a question mark that people lose sight of how much you guys return at other positions. Plus you have Sheppard coming in next year. My one complaint with LSU this year is the non-conf schedule, complete joke. They are far too elite a program to play that.

We'll see how we cope w/o Mark, I'm guessing no way he plays game 1 at UVA. I think if Mitch plays well that day, PC is almost forced to go with Mitch v. tOSU, especially after what happened last year allowing injured qb's to play.

2008-08-09 17:12:18
109.   Gagne55
104 My rook got forked by a knight.
2008-08-09 17:18:17
110.   Alex41592
Brian McCann 2 run shot! 2-0 Braves Bot 1!
2008-08-09 17:26:08
111.   ucladodger
87

Thats all arm angle. When you have the release point of Randy Johnson, and to a lesser extent, Billy Wagner, you are going to get a sweeping type slider. Brox is pretty much over the top so his is more of a sharp downward break. When his slider is on, that pitch is easily a 70 on the 80 scale. Its pretty dynamic.

I'm also not sure why anyone is saying Brox needs to develop a change, "Stones" etc. He throws his fastball, slider, and has a split which to hi is a changeup. The guy is a complete stud right now. He doesnt need to develop "stones" to succeed in the closer role, considering he has been one of the best relievers in the game over the past 3 years. Just look at the numbers and remember how much better they would be if he didnt have the disastrous outing against the Astros (ERA under 2 in all other appearances, WHIP would be 1). Jon is a premier closer in baseball right now and is going to get even better.

2008-08-09 17:26:33
112.   Fallout
84 PalmdaleSteve1
Whichever you choose, look at the Sony line B4 buying. Sony quit making plasmas but makes the best LCD out there. They have various models at different price points. You can go here for more opinions than you want: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/ Start at LCD flat panels and the Plasma flat panel displays are just under it.
2008-08-09 17:26:45
113.   Jon Weisman
NPUT

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