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Details on Saturday's Dodger Thoughts Picnic
2008-08-14 12:46
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

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The Dodger Thoughts picnic is two days away. It will officially run Saturday from 11 a.m. to 2 p.m. at Elysian Park, at the northwest corner of Scott Avenue and Stadium Way, west of Dodger Stadium. Pregaming picnic point person BHSportsguy will have an egg breakfast for the first few people who join him after 9:30 a.m. to secure the site from Martian invaders.

The picnic area is a nicely treed, horizontal strip of land that will allow for catch, wiffle ball and other games that don't require an entire ballfield — not to mention the Bob Timmermann "Riddles from The Griddle" Dodger Trivia Challenge. There is also a small play area for children.

Please remember that while some attendees will be bringing extra food, there are no guarantees – you are responsible for your own food and non-alcoholic drinks. Absolutely no alcohol is permitted. There are a couple of barbecues for grillin'.

Though the picnic is scheduled to end at 2 p.m., you are free to hang out afterward, especially since some of you will want to attend the Dodgers-Brewers game at 7:10 p.m. Dodger Thoughts takes no responsibility for any injuries, loss of valuables or other strife suffered before, during or after the picnic.

Just for curiosity's sake: If ye plan to attend, say "Aye" followed by a number one greater than the number of the person who said "Aye" before ye. And if ye plan to bring a guest, raise yeer number accordingly. However, RSVPs are not required.

See you there!

Driving directions
From the northbound and southbound 110
Exit at Dodger Stadium (Stadium Way) offramp.
Left onto Stadium Way.
Bear right on Stadium Way when it intersects with Chavez Ravine Place.
Continue past Elysian Park Ave. and Boylston Ave. to Scott Ave.
As you cross Scott, picnic site will be on your left.

From the southbound 101
Exit at Alvarado.
Left on Alvarado.
Continue about six blocks to Sunset, turn right.
Continue three blocks to Portia, turn left.
Continue two blocks to Scott, turn right.
Straight ahead to Stadium Way, turn left.
Picnic site will be on your left.

From the southbound 5
Exit at Stadium Way.
Continue on Stadium Way to Academy Road, turn right.
Make immediate left onto the continuation of Stadium Way.
Proceed toward Scott Ave.
Picnic site will be on your right at the corner of Stadium Way and Scott.

Comments (178)
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2008-08-14 13:04:17
1.   Jon Weisman
Aye! 1
2008-08-14 13:36:21
2.   Xeifrank
Who's up for waffle ball? :)
vr, Xei
2008-08-14 13:36:29
3.   Linkmeister
Regrettably, nay.

"barbecues for grillin'"

Bobby Flay is attending?

2008-08-14 13:36:50
4.   bhsportsguy
Aye! 2
2008-08-14 13:37:42
5.   cargill06
Over/Under- 5.5 duplicate numbers during this post.
2008-08-14 13:39:54
6.   Eric Stephen
Aye matey! 3
2008-08-14 13:41:19
7.   Eric Stephen
This gives me a chance to tell one of my favorite jokes:

A pirate walks into a bar, the bartender says to him, "Hey buddy, do you know there is a steering wheel on your belt buckle?"

The pirate responds, "Aye matey, it's drivin' me nuts."

[That joke is way more fun to say aloud!]

2008-08-14 13:42:05
8.   trainwreck
6
You forgot to count the strippers your bringing.
2008-08-14 13:42:20
9.   trainwreck
you're
2008-08-14 13:44:57
10.   gibsonhobbs88
Aye! 1 I will look forward to finally meeing some of you and placing the faces with the (post)names.
2008-08-14 13:45:50
11.   Jon Weisman
10 - That's Aye! 4.
2008-08-14 13:46:17
12.   Howard Fox
a man walks into a bar with his dog

bartender say to him that no dogs are allowed

the man says my dog can talk

bartender says if he can talk he can stay

the man turns to his dog and asks "who is the greatest ballplayer ever?"

the dog responds "ruth" and the bartender throws them out

once outside, the dog turns to his master and says "ya think maybe I should have said gehrig?

2008-08-14 13:47:54
13.   Howard Fox
and its a nay here...will be up north moving my daughter home from college...
2008-08-14 13:48:19
14.   Jon Weisman
Dwight Schrute proposes replacing the Olympic decathlon with a centathlon.

http://www.tvweek.com/news/2008/08/exclusive_nbcs_latest_olympian.php

2008-08-14 13:48:23
15.   bhsportsguy
12 I thought the punchline was Dimaggio.
2008-08-14 13:48:42
16.   Daniel Zappala
12 Heard that on Prairie Home Companion recently.
2008-08-14 13:49:07
17.   Daniel Zappala
Except the version I heard used Mel Ott.
2008-08-14 13:49:23
18.   Howard Fox
its a very old joke
2008-08-14 13:50:19
19.   Eric Stephen
That joke is like "The Aristocrats" (only much, much cleaner). It gives the teller creative license.
2008-08-14 13:50:48
20.   xaphor
Aye! 5

I might bring a cricket bat and some tennis balls if ya'll want to see how the other half lives. Still rummaging through for a scorebook for Bob. :)

2008-08-14 13:51:04
21.   Jon Weisman
12 - I thought the dog says "ruff" or "rooff"
2008-08-14 13:52:05
22.   Eric Stephen
14
I would like to watch "Murder Checkers".
2008-08-14 13:53:08
23.   bhsportsguy
14 Hide the Hamster, the possibilities are endless.

Bob, I am sure crustmaking is one of the 100.

2008-08-14 13:54:37
25.   Bob Timmermann
Aye, 6
2008-08-14 13:54:55
26.   Howard Fox
21 ok ok....so they all picked on you in yesterday's thread...now its my turn....lol
2008-08-14 13:56:19
27.   therickdaddy
Hmmm, 5-year anniversary or DT picnic ...

I guess I'll miss it this year. :(

2008-08-14 13:57:13
28.   Howard Fox
27 there is always your 6th anniversary next year
2008-08-14 13:58:48
30.   Eric Stephen
28
Missing the 5th might ensure freedom on all future August 16s.
2008-08-14 13:59:53
31.   Eric Stephen
The Pirate eye chart:

I I R I R R I R I I R...

2008-08-14 14:02:06
32.   Kevin Lewis
Aye! 7
2008-08-14 14:02:40
33.   Kevin Lewis
I laughed really hard at the steering wheel joke
2008-08-14 14:04:05
34.   Howard Fox
so are we changing the name of this site to Pirate Thoughts now?
2008-08-14 14:05:32
35.   gibsonhobbs88
11 - Sorry I forgot about that to include the number before mine. I was just letting you know I was just bringing myself. My wife was letting me have some guy time for a few hours. Looks like the Rockies are the Snakes whipping boys this year. 10 out of 12.
2008-08-14 14:07:06
36.   regfairfield
Aye, 8. Depending on how much fun I have at Dread Zeppelin the night before.
2008-08-14 14:07:38
37.   tjdub
34 I hear the Pirates have a young 3rd baseman with impressive minor league credentials (although a bit of an injury bug). I think they'll give him a chance to play.
2008-08-14 14:11:58
38.   Xeifrank
29. and a rule #1 violating post too? :)
vr, Xei
2008-08-14 14:17:22
39.   StolenMonkey86
Nay. I have to work, and I live on the other coast.
2008-08-14 14:17:44
40.   wronghanded
So a rope walks into a bar and the bartender says "Hey we don't serve rope here". The rope goes outside, messes up his hair, ties himself up and walks back into the bar. The bartender asks "Hey aren't you the same rope I just threw outta here?" The rope replies "I'm a frayed knot!"
2008-08-14 14:19:46
41.   trainwreck
40
{rimshot}
2008-08-14 14:20:24
42.   KG16
nay.
2008-08-14 14:20:41
43.   D4P
38
Rats.
2008-08-14 14:20:50
44.   Howard Fox
40 that's knot funny
2008-08-14 14:22:07
45.   Zak
It's a good weekend for AZ to be playing Houston. We really should win at least 2 of 3 this weekend.

I'm going to only my 2nd Dodger game of this season tonight. Hopefully my nine month old daughter can make it through the whole game.

2008-08-14 14:23:16
46.   Zak
Holliday just homered. Maybe the Rox can find some semblance of pride and come back.
2008-08-14 14:29:14
47.   Jim Hitchcock
7 ,12 Eric and Howard want bad jokes?

I'll bet most of you don't know there was a fourth Alou brother who played pro ball.

Alas, he changed his last name to Powell, as Boog Alou caused far too much snickering from the stands...

2008-08-14 14:33:36
50.   Kevin Lewis
Is there anyway we can get Kemp to come to the picnic?
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2008-08-14 14:37:15
51.   Tripon
50 Kemp's value is never higher. Time to trade him for a year's pass to Disneyland.
2008-08-14 14:37:26
52.   scareduck
Aye.

50 - RMON does not answer letters.

2008-08-14 14:38:59
53.   Eric Stephen
39
I have to work, and I live on the other coast.

I love how you ordered those reasons! :)

2008-08-14 14:39:01
54.   Kevin Lewis
Woah, the font for comments after fifty just got really small
2008-08-14 14:39:37
55.   cargill06
Ok this one you probably won't get written it needs to be said in person a certain way but I'll give you guys a chance...

What are the 2 sexiest animals in the barn?

Brown chicken brown cow

2008-08-14 14:40:03
56.   cargill06
55 say it fast.
2008-08-14 14:41:45
57.   wronghanded
I love bad jokes thoughts. :)
2008-08-14 14:44:50
58.   Jon Weisman
The storybook marriage of George Lazenby and Pam Shriver is coming to an end.
2008-08-14 14:46:12
59.   Kevin Lewis
55
That was good
2008-08-14 14:46:22
60.   larry slimfast
what does snoopy dogg dogg use to wash his clothes?

Bleee-ach!

2008-08-14 14:48:12
61.   Howard Fox
58 who?
2008-08-14 14:49:18
62.   Eric Stephen
61
James Bond and Martina Navratilova's ex-doubles partner.
2008-08-14 14:49:30
63.   mintxcore
I think its up to Aye 10. So, Aye 10. I'll be the one wearing a dodgers cap...
2008-08-14 14:50:13
64.   Eric Stephen
61 ,62
Or, perhaps "On Her Majesty's Secret Service Game"
2008-08-14 14:50:41
65.   bigcpa
I'm in #11. I'll have the fish.
2008-08-14 14:50:45
66.   UVaDodger
Nay, have to be driving to the east coast.
2008-08-14 14:51:15
67.   Howard Fox
as in tennis? or partner partner?
2008-08-14 14:51:48
68.   Eric Stephen
67
Tennis.
2008-08-14 14:57:29
69.   Tripon
D'Backs win 6-2 in Denver.
2008-08-14 15:04:49
70.   trainwreck
What has nine arms and sucks?

...

Def Leppard

2008-08-14 15:10:26
71.   regfairfield
70 I love that joke.
2008-08-14 15:14:23
72.   ToyCannon
Whats with all the single digits? I thought families would be coming for those that had them?
2008-08-14 15:17:10
73.   trainwreck
One more:

"What do you like most about me?" a wife asked her husband. "My pretty face or my sexy body?"

"I like your sense of humor," he replied.

2008-08-14 15:19:22
74.   JJ42
Aye, 13!

Count us in for wiffle ball!

My friend and I are trying to attend 5 games in 5 pro ballparks this weekend and the picnic would be a nice additional to our agenda.

2008-08-14 15:20:00
75.   Kevin Lewis
72

I think my wife feels like going to the picnic would be equal to affirming the amount of time I spend on this blog :) And, she might head to Santa Barbara instead.

2008-08-14 15:21:29
76.   MollyKnight
Nay.

:(

2008-08-14 15:29:07
77.   bhsportsguy
76 We'll hold a special DT - NLDS picnic so you can attend and get paid to come back to LA.
2008-08-14 15:35:54
78.   sporky
Nye! I shall be there in spirit.
2008-08-14 15:36:20
79.   Alex41592
Ziegler's scoreless streak is over! 39 1/3 consecutive scoreless innings. The Rays scored in the top of the ninth.
2008-08-14 15:37:53
80.   Greg Brock
This is almost like a company picnic, except that people actually want to be there and everybody likes the guy in charge.
2008-08-14 15:38:28
81.   Greg Brock
79 Thank God.
2008-08-14 15:41:23
82.   cargill06
The flags will be at half staff at McAfee Coliseum
2008-08-14 15:42:22
83.   KG16
comparatively speaking, which is tougher to break, Orel's scoreless inning streak or DiMaggio's hitting streak?
2008-08-14 15:48:37
84.   cargill06
Zieglers ERA+ 1,722
2008-08-14 15:50:07
85.   Eric Stephen
I'm torn on recognizing thirds of an inning as scoreless. If you enter an inning and give up a run, that inning isn't scoreless, so one shouldn't be given credit for 1/3 or 2/3 depending on how many outs he got before the run.

On the other hand, if a reliever comes in with one out and gets two outs without giving up a run, that should be 2/3 scoreless for him.

So I guess I would not count any inning thirds if a run scored at any point during said inning, regardless of who gave up the run.

2008-08-14 15:50:25
86.   DodgerBlueBruce
Nye
Wrong Coast however...
A Dodger Thoughts Picnic Toast will be given for every beer I drink from 2pm-3pm EST.
2008-08-14 15:50:29
87.   UVaDodger
84 Ha
2008-08-14 15:54:29
88.   D4P
I'm torn on recognizing thirds of an inning as scoreless

Are you cold and shamed, lying naked on the floor?

2008-08-14 15:54:38
89.   KG16
85 - i have no problem with the 1/3 of innings measurement. that's how innings pitched are counted.

it's just a matter of determining when the run was scored, before/after which out. if it's in between the second and third out, then it's zero. if it's between the first and second, it's a third; before the first, two thirds.

2008-08-14 15:55:55
90.   Bluebleeder87
aye for sho'!

I'll get there early to help out BH too.

2008-08-14 16:00:30
91.   Jon Weisman
85 - I was kind of disappointed that MLB stopped recognizing thirds of an inning in the scoreless-inning competish.
2008-08-14 16:01:22
92.   Jon Weisman
The Dodgers made Saturday's game a Fireworks Night game.
2008-08-14 16:01:57
93.   Eric Stephen
89
Consider this scenario.

Batter A walks.
Batter A steals second.
Batter B sacrifices; Batter A to 3B
Batter C grounds out to 2B; Batter A scores

In this case the outs were used to get the run home. It's 0 scoreless innings in my book.

2008-08-14 16:03:06
94.   Jon Weisman
Tonight's lineup:

Kemp, CF
Ethier, RF
Kent, 2B
Ramirez, LF
Loney, 1B
Martin, C
Garciaparra, SS
Blake, 3B
Kuroda, P

2008-08-14 16:03:19
95.   Bob Timmermann
Elias and the Sporting News will record Ziegler's streak as 39 innings.
2008-08-14 16:03:51
96.   bhsportsguy
83 Dimaggio's streak has held for 67 years. Only one player, Pete Rose has come within two weeks of the record when he had a 44 game hitting streak. But he still had 12 more games to tie and 13 to break.

Hershier broke Drysdale's record 20 years after it was set, and since then Brandon Webb has come within 2 complete games of breaking the record in 2007.

Both records are certainly difficult, in the modern era only a few pitchers have ever had 40+ consectutive scoreless innings. But given the number of batters that have had all these years to go after Dimaggio and only one in 67 years completing 79% of the record, I would think that the pitching record will fall again before the hitting streak even gets close to being broken.

2008-08-14 16:05:55
97.   Brent Knapp
Nay, I'll be at the A's v. White Sox game in Oakland.
2008-08-14 16:06:38
98.   UVaDodger
93 I thought the suggestion was this:

Batter B strikes out
Batter B hits a home run
Pitching Change
Batter C grounds out
Batter D flies out.

Why shouldn't the second pitcher get credit for those two scoreless outs?

2008-08-14 16:07:08
99.   Alex41592
In addition to the August 17th game being on TBS and the August 24th game at the Phillies being a nationally televised game on ESPN. The Dodgers game at Arizona on August 31st will also be carried nationally on ESPN2.
2008-08-14 16:08:41
100.   Jim Hitchcock
83 It's probably just me, but I think Gagne's streak should be in there too.
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2008-08-14 16:09:05
101.   UVaDodger
98 To clarify, that's why 89 said "if it's in between the second and third out, then it's zero. if it's between the first and second, it's a third; before the first, two thirds."
2008-08-14 16:11:08
102.   UVaDodger
94 Looks like Martin's performance yesterday earned him a jump up the lineup card.
2008-08-14 16:12:46
103.   Eric Stephen
98
I have no problem giving credit for thirds of an inning no runs were scored at any point in the inning after said pitcher came in.
2008-08-14 16:13:57
104.   bigcpa
Debut of the Pirates' heart of the order:

N. McLouth
A. LaRoche
A. LaRoche

2008-08-14 16:14:14
105.   Jon Weisman
Tony Jackson goes ... jadedly whimsical?

http://www.insidesocal.com/dodgers/2008/08/early-birds-are.html

2008-08-14 16:14:42
106.   Bluebleeder87
Woah, I just saw the ChiSox highlights, 4 dingers in arrow.
2008-08-14 16:16:15
107.   El Lay Dave
Aye 15.
2008-08-14 16:16:20
108.   Bluebleeder87
It's probably just me but I feel Martin has played more games this year than in the past.
2008-08-14 16:17:18
109.   gpellamjr
94 With the exception of Manny, 1-8 are pretty interchangeable as to where they fit into the lineup-- in a good way. That's pretty cool. No more black hole!
2008-08-14 16:17:39
110.   UVaDodger
103 I didn't think so. I am a little confused about your scenario, however. Is it just the unofficial thirds of innings at the end of scoreless inning streaks that you find objectionable?
Because technically in even your example the pitcher would have been fine if that ground out had been a strike out instead, so shouldn't the sacrifice count as a third of an inning?
2008-08-14 16:17:41
111.   Tripon
94 Blake's not a true 8th hitter! Actually, he cooled off so its the most logical pick in the current lineup.
2008-08-14 16:19:36
112.   Disabled List
After Orel Hershiser gave up two runs in the 5th inning against the Expos on August 30, 1988, he got the last out of the inning. He also got the first two outs of the 1st inning against the Reds on April 5, 1989. In between he threw 59 consecutive scoreless (regular-season) innings.

If you count the fractions, his streak ought to be 60 innings.

2008-08-14 16:20:08
113.   UVaDodger
111 You're forgetting that Casey Blake "knows" how to lead off.
2008-08-14 16:20:25
114.   KG16
93 - typically the out is recorded before the run scores, so you're right that it would be zero, even in my formulation. it's similar to how a run can score on a play where the third out is made (batter reaches first safely, runner scores, batter gets thrown out trying to take second)
2008-08-14 16:21:53
115.   UVaDodger
113 Bat eighth, bat eighth, not lead off. Drat.

And that is a lesson in how to ruin an already weak joke.

2008-08-14 16:24:06
116.   Dane Bramage
I will try to be there at the Picnic, but honestly, with my folks coming to town to spend an entire week at my house, I can't really say for sure YET.

If I do make it, I'll be the one with a freshly-turned two-year-old (today - YAY!) and the 10-year-old who is six feet two inches tall. That's right, you heard correctly, he is 6'-2"!!

Following in Sandy Allen's footsteps, I suppose...

2008-08-14 16:26:11
117.   Kevin Lewis
The ten year old is on my whiffle ball team!
2008-08-14 16:27:09
118.   Tripon
115 Considering that both Loney and Martin batted 8th the last two games, Casey Blake batting 8th is like Torre saying that he trusts everyone in the lineup.
2008-08-14 16:28:17
119.   Sam DC
Nats broadcast just said that Dodgers claimed Ronnie Belliard (tonight's starting shortstop!) off waivers and are trying to work a trade.

I actually didn't hear it but was told so by a reliable interlocutor.

I say this so you realize, I am not even the messenger here. I am less than a messenger!

2008-08-14 16:28:18
120.   Eric Enders
112 And of course, he really threw 67 innings.

The postseason innings don't count because, what, they're not challenging enough?

2008-08-14 16:29:26
121.   trainwreck
116
A UCLA basketball scholarship provides good education, a great way to learn discipline, and an opportunity to go to the Final Four every year as your son plays for the most prestigious basketball program of all time.
2008-08-14 16:30:18
122.   D4P
I am less than a messenger!

A "lessenger", if you will.

2008-08-14 16:30:36
123.   regfairfield
119 I'd be really happy if that happened.
2008-08-14 16:30:58
124.   Disabled List
120 I could not agree with you more. I can understand postseason games not counting for records in counting- or rate-stats, but for streaks? There's no reason they shouldn't count.
2008-08-14 16:32:04
125.   Tripon
129 I'd rage, but this is clearly just to pick up a backup at SS and 2nd. Berroa's days are numbered!

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5765

Belliard is OPSing .782 this year. It wouldn't be a horrible trade.

2008-08-14 16:32:17
126.   Dane Bramage
121 Sadly, no Bruins basketball scholarship in his future. With Marfan Syndrome, the cardiac risks make it impossible -- unless it's an academic scholarship, of course!
2008-08-14 16:33:14
127.   trainwreck
126
Academics...

Well I don't know much about that.

2008-08-14 16:34:33
128.   bhsportsguy
127 So is Christian Ramirez not red-shirting this year?
2008-08-14 16:35:08
129.   ToyCannon
My wife taught a 10 year old who was 6 feet a few years ago. After playing at Taft he is a sophmore at LSU and I think topped out at 6'10. Don't think he has a basketball future but he paid for his education.
Her class won the volleyball championship that year:)
2008-08-14 16:36:03
130.   trainwreck
128
I thought he had to. Didn't he get academically suspended for the year?
2008-08-14 16:36:44
131.   Alex41592
119 - Considering Belliard has played 5 games in his entire major league career at short and is starting there tonight. Something smells fishy...
2008-08-14 16:37:49
132.   ToyCannon
125
Belliard can hit and should be a good guy off the bench compared to Osuna and Berroa. He is a rolly polly guy with surprising quickness considering his girth.
The last time we traded a single A player for a National's 2nd baseman it was widely panned until he became the Dodger leader in OPS.
2008-08-14 16:39:40
133.   Sam DC
131 The reason given for his SS start tonight is that backup SS Alberto Gonzales (acquired by flipping old friend Jonny Nunez to NYY) went on the DL today and then starting SS Cristian Guzman got scratched at the last minute with a recurring thumb problem.

But that doesn't explain why Belliard instead of Pete Orr . . .

I know, the Nationals are a real powerhouse.

2008-08-14 16:40:17
134.   xaphor
105 Jackson is also getting in on the impromptu talk-like-a-pirate action with one of my favourites, "To me left".
2008-08-14 16:40:25
135.   bhsportsguy
130 That's what I thought too but there is a post on the premium board about it.

Belliard is signed through 2009, he has about $400K left for this year and a $1.9 salary for 2009.

2008-08-14 16:40:25
136.   Sam DC
Jhonny . . . sorry.
2008-08-14 16:41:22
137.   trainwreck
128
We are totally screwed at the guard position in the 09 class, huh?

Oh, well.

2008-08-14 16:41:41
138.   bhsportsguy
136 So how many Dodger/Nat games will you be attending?
2008-08-14 16:42:27
139.   Eric Enders
132 I think if you go back and look at the threads, you'll find that the notion that the Anderson trade was widely panned at the time is a myth.
2008-08-14 16:44:48
140.   regfairfield
139 There was some idiot that wondered why we were doing that when we could have called up Delwyn Young instead.

135 That's less appealing.

2008-08-14 16:45:27
141.   bhsportsguy
139 Would you trade a "Josh Wall" level prospect for Belliard?
2008-08-14 16:45:39
142.   Zak
1. Gagne's streak does not belong with Orel's and Dimaggio's streak. I think Gagne's streak will be beaten fairly easily in the next 10-20 years. I think we will see Orel's streak end one day, but I doubt anyone will come close to hits in 56 straight games.

2. 1/3 innings should count even if they produce outs that lead to future runs. Let's say there is a walk, steal and a groundout leaving a runner at 3rd with one out. The one out should not count any differently whether the pitcher then retires the next two batters without giving up a run or not.

3. Sorry, I also disagree that postseason games should count towards streaks and definitely not towards records. I feel postseason games are managed differently than regular season games and there is no doubt in my mind that when a player has any kind of semi-major streak going on during the regular season, the manager does everything he can to keep that streak going. To me, this is too big a conflict.

I wish I didn't sound so contrarian. Half an hour more until I leave work and head to the stadium. Can't wait. Good lineup and no complaints on Belliard unless he plays over Raffy or Nomar or Blake or Loney.

2008-08-14 16:46:39
143.   Tripon
135 Jim Bowden is the worst GM ever. Why Selig picked him to GM the Nats I have no idea.
2008-08-14 16:49:28
144.   regfairfield
143 He's getting better production from two million worth of Ronnie Belliard than we are from nine million of Jeff Kent.
2008-08-14 16:51:42
145.   Tripon
144 With that comment, you have just guaranteed Jeff Kent's return next year.
2008-08-14 16:51:54
146.   ToyCannon
139
Widely panned is incorrect, it was Andrew who had strong opinions about the deal. Since he has so much sway I threw in widely panned.
2008-08-14 16:52:24
147.   Eric Enders
141 I dunno. Maybe. I mean, would we even want Belliard if we could get him for nothing? Not that he's awful, but do we need an extra multimillion dollar commitment for 2009 for a guy who will probably end up getting released in spring training? It's like the position player version of the Loaiza deal. Although admittedly cheaper.

I wouldn't cry too many tears over losing a Josh Wall type prospect. Although I believe that Nate or Canuck, or both, think more highly of Wall than I do. The guy throws hard but hasn't shown any signs of putting it all together.

2008-08-14 16:53:18
148.   Zak
144 Are you implying that our valiant leader is a worse GM?

Also, are you still on the fence about the Manny trade or have you decided that you like it or not? Does making the postseason factor into the equation or is it about the decision at the time?

2008-08-14 16:54:10
149.   ToyCannon
The problem with the hitting streak is that you are dependent on pitchers giving you pitches to hit.
2008-08-14 16:55:04
150.   Sam DC
138 I dunno, first week back at school. May not make it to the park.
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2008-08-14 16:55:41
151.   ToyCannon
141
Maybe if we give up DeJesus they will pay his 2009 salary:)
2008-08-14 16:55:43
152.   Bluebleeder87
2 premium 3rd base seats just landed on my lap...

oh yes! [knotting head up & down]

2008-08-14 16:56:58
153.   regfairfield
148 On the fence. I pretty much said the trade will have to be judged in hindsight.

I can't judge a trade two weeks later when the real effects won't be seen for years and Manny is putting up unsustainable video game numbers.

2008-08-14 16:57:16
154.   Eric Enders
That sounds painful.
2008-08-14 16:58:18
155.   Travis08
100 Two impressive active streaks:

Carlos Quentin's 6 games with a HBP. No other player since at least 1956 has as many as 4.

Trevor Hoffman's 226 games with no more than 1 inning pitched.
http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/HKHq

2008-08-14 16:58:49
156.   Zak
153 True. I like LaRoche. I hope he has a good career, just not a HOF one. :)
2008-08-14 17:00:10
157.   ToyCannon
155
I find your first one impressive. The Hoffman streak less so.
2008-08-14 17:00:49
158.   Jon Weisman
Penny and Wade to the DL. Stults and Sturtze coming. Details to come.
2008-08-14 17:01:08
159.   Brent Knapp
142 Statistically speaking, which streak (gagne's, orel's, and dimaggio's) is the hardest. Couldn't someone with stat skills figure it out based on save conversion rate, a simple ratio of innings in which orel gave up a run, and dimaggio's career BA?
2008-08-14 17:01:54
160.   D4P
Penny...to the DL

Surprise, and surprise.

2008-08-14 17:02:57
161.   regfairfield
158 This is what happens when you deal all of your depth that you'll never miss.
2008-08-14 17:03:03
162.   trainwreck
Not Sturtze! Torre is going to totally overuse him.
2008-08-14 17:03:14
163.   Eric Enders
Given a choice between Tanyan Sturtze and James McDonald, who in the world would pick Sturtze? Besides his former Yankees manager, I mean.
2008-08-14 17:04:10
164.   ToyCannon
Anyone think we claimed Belliard to keep him from the Diamondbacks. He would be an upgrade to Ojeda.
2008-08-14 17:04:21
165.   Jim Hitchcock
158 No, please not Wade.
2008-08-14 17:04:53
166.   Eric Enders
So, what is David Wells doing these days?
2008-08-14 17:05:24
167.   Marty
Well, I was all set to start cooking tomorrow and all, but it looks like I'm going to have to miss the picnic. My ophthalmologist just told me I have contracted a dose of pink eye. Reliable people tell me it's fairly contagious for a few days, so I'm thinking it wouldn't be a good idea for me to be spreading it around Saturday.
2008-08-14 17:05:33
168.   Tripon
153 I assume you mean if LaRoche and Morris pans out, not see if Manny stops hitting for whatever reason?

Andy LaRoche might get to a couple of all-star games, but that doesn't mean we over paid for Manny. It just means that LaRoche was able to grab hold of a situation that allowed him to play everyday.

2008-08-14 17:06:36
169.   ToyCannon
I'd rather see McDonald and Elbert but welcome back Mr. Stults. He might help out as a bat off the bench.

I just knew that someday this year Sturtz would find his way onto our roster once we signed him.

2008-08-14 17:06:39
170.   trainwreck
167
That Scott Baio is at it again.
2008-08-14 17:06:50
171.   Eric Enders
164 That's probably a good guess. Which means there's no need to trade for him. Simply claiming him is enough. Either they let us have him for free, or the waivers get withdrawn.

This is what should have been done with that big strikeout fellow from Cincinnati.

2008-08-14 17:07:24
172.   Zak
158 Glad they didn't wait nine starts this time with Penny. It's obvious something is not right and I'm glad he, or the team, decided that he's giving away very hittable pitches.

Of course this means Stults or Johnson gets a start. Eh, still!

2008-08-14 17:07:25
173.   KG16
143 - Selig works for the Owners, the Owners do not want a team that is owned by no one to beat them, thus terrible GM until they find someone willing to buy the team. It's really quite simple.
2008-08-14 17:07:39
174.   Jon Weisman
NPUT
2008-08-14 17:08:01
175.   regfairfield
168 Right. I don't really want to rehash this but if Manny's worth a win or so (if he had his normal numbers, not when he's hitting .450) and it pulls us to the playoffs is it worth losing six years of LaRoche and possibly Morris. I really don't know.
2008-08-14 17:08:18
176.   ToyCannon
167
Bummer, I was looking forward to the potato salad. I did shake your hand last night, hopefully you didn't rub your eye before that, and I didn't rub my eye after that.
2008-08-14 17:08:35
177.   Tripon
158 Huh. Why Sturtze? Wasn't he getting lit up in Triple A?
2008-08-14 17:12:24
178.   Bob Timmermann
Just a 9-run inning for the Red Sox tonight against Texas.
2008-08-14 19:03:03
179.   dzzrtRatt
Wish I could go to the picnic, but I'm leaving very early the next morning on a business trip, so it wouldn't be wise for me to go partyin' the day before.

Have a great time.

2008-08-14 19:24:02
180.   scareduck
Cubs beat the Braves 11-7, sweeping the season series, the only time in history this has happened.
2008-08-15 00:02:21
181.   skybluestoday
Re: 58

Unpopular opinion, I realize, but I think that the Lazenby Bond flick is probably the most intense and personal of all of them. I adore "From Russia With Love" for its straightforwardness and general air of Cold War-era hipness, but I get very tired of the "Goldfinger" style of comic-book James Bond movies. "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" is such a departure from the previous flick (the silly "You Only Live Twice"), and it's a shame that they did not continue in this direction.

2008-08-15 00:04:13
182.   skybluestoday
Plus you have to add in the fact that Diana Rigg was a perfect Mrs. Bond. Never hurt Nick Charles to have a wife!

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