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Ad Astra Per Aspera

2008-09-05 17:15

by Jon Weisman

Amo, amas, amat, amamus, amatis, amant.

Diamondbacks at Dodgers, 7:05 p.m.

Comments (559)

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2008-09-05 17:21:47

1. Longhorn Bill

That was my high school's motto.

2008-09-05 17:22:33

2. KG16

I see dead languages

2008-09-05 17:23:19

3. Mike Scioscias tragic illness

You're majoring in a 5000 year old dead language? You're out of my room.

2008-09-05 17:24:14

4. Jon Weisman

In case anyone was wondering, I'm trying to convey a message of dedication, ambition and love. Because that's what it takes to be a fan in nervous times, right?

2008-09-05 17:24:14

5. Alex41592

Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.

2008-09-05 17:25:41

6. Jim Hitchcock

And here I thought it was part of the Stanford fight song...

2008-09-05 17:25:54

7. Sean P

Amans iratus multa mentitur sibi...

the theme of the last 20 years of my relationship with the Dodgers

2008-09-05 17:26:52

8. bhsportsguy

I had to look it up.

http://tinyurl.com/DT952008

2008-09-05 17:27:30

9. KG16

is it sad that I was raised Catholic and don't know any Latin? Does it help that I'm only 30?

2008-09-05 17:28:15

10. Bob Timmermann

Dust in the wind ...

All we are is dust in the wind ...

2008-09-05 17:28:30

11. fanerman

8 I had to look it up, too. During senior year of college, my roommate found a folder that had written on it "Finis Coronat Opus." He bought the folder just because of that. We spent the semester incorporating the phrase as a slogan in every project we had to do.

2008-09-05 17:28:33

12. KG16

9 - actually, that's not entirely true. I did pick up a couple of phrases in law school.

2008-09-05 17:28:55

13. Bob Timmermann

gpellamjr is going to be mighty upset that there was Latin used here and he wasn't the one to do it.

2008-09-05 17:30:16

14. Alex41592

For the first time all season the Cubs are going through 'that' time of the season. But, Milwaukee hasn't taken advantage.

2008-09-05 17:32:08

15. Jacob Burch

4 From the site owning the top google hit for "amo, amas, amat:"

"I love the Diamondbacks."

Bad Omens, Bad Omens.

2008-09-05 17:33:20

16. Gold Star for Robot Boy

4 - Then you haven't enlisted in the South African Air Force?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_Astra_Per_Aspera

2008-09-05 17:33:58

17. UVaDodger

12 I took two years of Latin in undergrad, and I find it shocking sometimes how little of it people know here at law school.

Actually, I only find it shocking when there are obvious cognates. My favorite is how confused people were my first year by "in loco parentis."

2008-09-05 17:39:10

18. underdog

15 Well hopefully the DBacks and that DBacks fan will be cum mortuis in lingua mortua after the weekend.

Contra spem spero!

2008-09-05 17:39:45

19. Gold Star for Robot Boy

Reminds me of the time I saw my first space shuttle launch.
I was at a souvenir shop about to buy a shirt bearing the mission patch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STS-110). Some guy looked at the names (Bloomfield, Frick, Ross...) on the logo's border and then asked the clerk in all seriousness, "Is that Latin?"

2008-09-05 17:41:19

20. underdog

Or, as Monty Python would translate it from the Hungarian, "Mea navis aëricumbens anguillis abundat."

2008-09-05 17:41:51

21. Gagne55

8 Ok, the title of the thread means "through hardships to the stars" but what does "Amo, amas, amat, amamus, amatis, amant" mean?

2008-09-05 17:44:11

22. Gagne55

Oh, looking it up they're different conjugations of "to love." I should have known since Amor is "to love" in Spanish.

2008-09-05 17:44:12

23. sporky

21 If I'm guessing correctly, it's the conjugation of the verb "to love."

2008-09-05 17:44:31

24. underdog

21 I believe they are all the conjugations of "to love." (I love, he loves, etc.)

2008-09-05 17:46:21

25. underdog

20 refers to this, btw:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_ve37gVwxw

2008-09-05 17:47:07

26. Johnny Nucleo

There's another DT'er leaving Latin phrases all over the internet:

http://tinyurl.com/66a5kf

2008-09-05 17:47:43

27. Eric Enders

"to love" = to use one's unusually large hindquarters to push opponents out of the low post.

2008-09-05 17:47:59

28. Sam DC

Somewhere, there's a very happy Mr. Corsello.

2008-09-05 17:50:34

29. Gold Star for Robot Boy

27 - No, it's to hook up with a rock musician on the rise, eventually drive him to suicide and then use the tragedy to elevate your own career in music and film.
(Bitter? Of course not. Why do you ask?)

2008-09-05 17:50:48

30. Gagne55

27 lol wut?

2008-09-05 17:51:14

31. KG16

17 - I remember a case in contracts (or some other first year course) where the entire case was written in English, and then the judge says, "which brings us to the well settled rule..." and then proceeded to spell the rule out in Latin. Two full lines. No translation. Still don't know that rule.

2008-09-05 17:54:31

32. UVaDodger

31 Ha. Was the vast legal research resource of Google not available at the time? Anyway, if the rule was all that important, you probably do know it...you just don't know that it is the same one from that case.
I have found that the law is fond of repeating itself.

2008-09-05 17:56:03

33. GMac In The 909

0 I need to get Manny to translate that for me.

2008-09-05 17:56:59

34. The Trolley Dodger

I have a Star Fleet Academy coffee mug from the sadly defunct Star Trek Experience in Vegas. It has the Academy logo and motto, "Ex Astris, Scientia."

I will miss sharing a Warp Core Breach with my wife at Quark's Bar.

2008-09-05 17:58:35

35. UVaDodger

33 He's too busy writing phony English-Hungarian phrase-books.

2008-09-05 18:00:18

36. Bob Timmermann

Phillies up on the Mets 3-0 in the 7th.

2008-09-05 18:00:29

37. Johnny Nucleo

The motto of my alma mater's engineering society is "Quis Dolor Cui Dolium", which means "Who suffers who has a cask of wine?". It's intended to be a loose translation of "What the hell, as long as there's free beer"

2008-09-05 18:02:37

38. old dodger fan

0 I didn't know what it meant but my 13 y.o. daughter did!

In Chinese it's "ai" (pronounced "eye")

2008-09-05 18:05:55

39. Andrew Shimmin

Didn't Pellam admit the other day that he reads DT the way people read Woodward books? He'd never have known about the Latin if Bob hadn't dropped his name in the thread. And now we're all doomed. Thanks Bob.

2008-09-05 18:06:08

40. The Trolley Dodger

35 My hovercraft is full of eels!

2008-09-05 18:10:35

41. MollyKnight

0,1,6, etc.

On the Northwestern application 10 years ago they asked me what I would write on some NU rock and they gave me about an inch of space for my answer. Ad Astra Per Aspera beat Think Blue.

2008-09-05 18:15:44

42. KG16

32 - that prof turned off the internet connection in class.

41 - I'm glad no school ever asked me a question like that when I was 18. It would have been bad. Very, very bad.

2008-09-05 18:19:34

43. JRSarno

That reminds me of something I said to Justice Kennard this week. Inclusio unius est exclusio alterius? Whatever, the Dodgers need to conjugate a WIN TONIGHT!

2008-09-05 18:20:50

44. sporky

In my own words: Nomar Garciaparra.

Air it all you want now. It shall be useless in 2 months.

2008-09-05 18:29:54

45. gpellamjr

39 You've made a horrible miscalculation, amicissime. While I only skim DT for my name, I also skip all of Bob's posts. You are the one who alerted me to the pernicious goings-on of this thread.

Si es quod es quod es est quod te est. Deus enim dixit esse esse esse.

2008-09-05 18:30:29

46. 68elcamino427

Dedication, ambition, and love - Dodger Love!

Message to Bison - Time to put the team on your back.

2008-09-05 18:32:43

47. UVaDodger

42 That's downright criminal. What did you do during class?

2008-09-05 18:33:30

48. Mike Scioscias tragic illness

Pablo Ozuna back on the team - for what reason I have no idea. Mario Alvarez to the 60-day DL.

2008-09-05 18:37:47

49. sporky

I've scheduled my weekend around this series. Please, please, please win.

2008-09-05 18:39:52

50. sporky

The photo of Ed Wade on the BP website is muy creepy.

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2008-09-05 18:43:45

51. LAbits

Well, here is my sentiment, I want to hear the Diamondbacks each say this after the series,

Tam examinus quam tunicum Nehru fio.

2008-09-05 18:54:04

52. Andrew Shimmin

amicissime= my friend?

Si es quod es quod es est quod te est. Deus enim dixit esse esse esse.

Let's see. Hmm. If something who something who something is who you are. God something says, something something something?

2008-09-05 18:55:41

53. Andrew Shimmin

Personally, my bet is that God says: esse esse esse, oi oi oi.

2008-09-05 18:59:02

54. Ghost of Carlos Perez

This thread made me look up my school's motto: "Leges sine moribus vanae"

My undergrad/masters school's motto was: "Enter to learn, go forth to serve"

2008-09-05 18:59:44

55. Charenton

The other day when Manny did his translation for Berroa, I was wondering how many of the talking heads (media and fans) that like to denigrate Manny's intelligence would be able to handle a spontaneous translation from one language to another on national TV.

2008-09-05 19:01:00

56. Alex41592

ESPN is blacked out for those in L.A.

2008-09-05 19:01:52

57. trainwreck

Whoopie...More Orel and Steve Phillips.

2008-09-05 19:03:03

58. Andrew Shimmin

My school's motto was: Get up on the downstroke, everybody get up.

2008-09-05 19:03:08

59. UVaDodger

52 "quod" is "what", "es" is "you are."
"If you are what yo are, what you are is what you is"? Is that it?
"Esse" means "to be." Or, if you like metaphysics, it means the being of a thing, in contradistinction to its essence (essentia). "Enim" means truly and is often simply used for emphasis.
"God truly says to be to be to be"?

2008-09-05 19:03:36

60. Bilshaw

I Love Vin Scully

2008-09-05 19:04:18

61. Andrew Shimmin

Oops. You're supposed to get up for the downstroke, not on it. My mistake.

2008-09-05 19:05:53

62. Andrew Shimmin

59- No longer will DT be held hostage to one smartypants Ohioan. We now have redundant Latin translators. World domination is just a little bit closer!

2008-09-05 19:06:06

63. Bilshaw

Saito, Penny could return next weekend. Good News.

2008-09-05 19:06:36

64. Bob Timmermann

55
Manny's translation was not exactly word for word.

2008-09-05 19:07:15

65. Andrew Shimmin

Still no doctors, though, right? Although, with WebMD and the ability to loot drugstores at will, I think we'll probably be okay.

2008-09-05 19:08:24

66. Bob Hendley

If my mlb.tv signal is intermittent, would it help at all to change from 800k down to 400k?

2008-09-05 19:08:27

67. Ghost of Carlos Perez

65
I think D4P is a doctor

2008-09-05 19:08:43

68. Jacob Burch

If you are, you are, if you wish to be. In fact, God says...to be living is to be? That only works with another "en" in there, so that last triple esse has got me. I hope we get the answer.

2008-09-05 19:10:38

69. underdog

I learned from Steve Phillips that not only is Manny critical to the Dodger offense (obviously) but Casey Blake as well. (No mention of Kemp, Loney or anyone else.) And that the DBacks are in better shape this year than last because of their veterans.

Anyway.

Let's go Blue!

2008-09-05 19:10:47

70. Andrew Shimmin

67- Of city planning. D4P's medical advice for every ailment would be: lose some weighty, tubby. I take no pleasure in saying so, but I do not think he will long survive the revolution.

2008-09-05 19:11:02

71. Gen3Blue

I seem to have up to 3 possible broadcast possibilities including DTV and ESPN. But the first one I tried was Vin, and with that kind of portent I think I will live or die here. I hope its a "good Lowe" night.
By some theories the later in the season, the more tired, the more sink.

2008-09-05 19:11:44

72. Alex41592

Getting Drew is a big key for Lowe. Good start.

2008-09-05 19:12:04

73. sporky

Wow, Eckstein is tiny.

2008-09-05 19:12:44

74. UVaDodger

62 I can only transliterate, sadly.

68 What are the idioms in there? Are there any?

2008-09-05 19:13:54

75. Alex41592

Zero on the board lets get some runs.

2008-09-05 19:14:19

76. Bob Timmermann

73
But you need to measure his heart to see how good he is.

2008-09-05 19:15:38

77. Jacob Burch

74 I seem to vaguely remember esse etc being an idiom, but it may just be from conjugation tables. But Latin Idioms are all over the place and I could certainly be lacking the vast vocabulary needed.

My girlfriend, in theory, has four years of latin under her belt. Any time I quiz her she comes up empty on memory, but I'll give it a shot.

2008-09-05 19:15:43

78. Linkmeister

I remember seeing Illegitimi non Carborundum for the first time on a plaque on the back of a frat-house door; I didn't see the relevance then.

Now I do.

2008-09-05 19:15:49

79. gpellamjr

"es" and "est" respectively are the third-person-singular forms of both "sum, esse" meaning "to be" and "edo, esse" meaning "to eat". Furthermore "esse esse esse" has the first "esse" is the accusative form of the gerund of "to be" and the final "esse" as the gerund of "to eat", the middle one being the infinitive in indirect speech introduced by "dixit".

So this little Latin saying, which I made up to impress a professor who had hitherto been thoroughly unimpressed by me, says:

"If you are what you eat, what you eat is what eats you. Indeed God says that being is eating (or 'that to be is to eat')."

The solution offered in 59 fails only in not recognizing the forms of "edo", and in not realizing that "te" would have no meaning without a transitive verb.

2008-09-05 19:16:59

80. Indiana Jon

Thankfully the game has started. I haven't understood anything in this whole thread with the exception of the Phillies 3, Mets 0, and I have no idea why that was thrown in there.

2008-09-05 19:18:50

81. Gagne55

I've noticed that on 3-0 pitches the strike zone grows significantly. Umpire don't like four pitch walks.

2008-09-05 19:19:21

82. sporky

SQUEE!

2008-09-05 19:19:30

83. Alex41592

ETHIER! #20!

2008-09-05 19:19:34

84. trainwreck

Ethier is on fire.

2008-09-05 19:19:39

85. LogikReader

We're on the board!

2008-09-05 19:19:41

86. Gagne55

Ethier has turned into quite a power hitter.

2008-09-05 19:19:43

87. Uncle Miltie

Ethier is a stud. What a sweet swing.

2008-09-05 19:20:11

88. Tripon

The Dodgers signed Andruw Jones for his 26 Home runs in 2007.

Ethier just reached 20.

The Dodgers may be in the playoffs in spite of Ned Coletti's wheeling and dealing.

2008-09-05 19:20:13

89. Indiana Jon

That should be enough. Lowe will be tough tonight.

2008-09-05 19:20:17

90. Rob M

Damn - waaaaaayyyyy out.

I think he's worked himself up to about 1.75 status.

2008-09-05 19:20:21

91. Bob Timmermann

If Ethier truly knew how to humiliate a team, he would have done a pirouette after that home run.

Pirouettes have been known to kill the hopes of franchises for 10 or more years.

2008-09-05 19:20:51

92. Andrew Shimmin

Not too clever, there.

2008-09-05 19:21:01

93. Gagne55

If you make the turn, you got to try to go the second.

2008-09-05 19:21:07

94. sporky

Oy.

2008-09-05 19:21:20

95. Tripon

Duncan needs to learn how to read a play.

2008-09-05 19:21:22

96. Alex41592

That horrible 3 and 0 call costs us a run.

2008-09-05 19:21:46

97. regfairfield

93 Duncan seemed pretty insistent about Manny going back.

2008-09-05 19:21:57

98. Bob Timmermann

Gagne in to try to protect a 2-1 Brewers lead in the 8th.

After two pitches, Brian Giles tied the game on a home run.

2008-09-05 19:22:00

99. Gen3Blue

Ah, Andre, the guy who spent a lot of time on the bench for Pierre and Andruw. And about due for arbitration.

2008-09-05 19:22:20

100. Gagne55

91 Is "Pirouettes" another Latin word?

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2008-09-05 19:22:32

101. underdog

Darn! Should be two on with one out. Oh well. Nice start all the same.

Belated "Squee-thier!" btw.

2008-09-05 19:22:48

102. Gen3Blue

Manny being Manny.

2008-09-05 19:23:08

103. Bob Timmermann

Pirouette is an English word taking from French I believe.

2008-09-05 19:23:20

104. sporky

98 Gagne is anything but unpredictable.

2008-09-05 19:23:29

105. underdog

Btw, I think Dodger Stadium needs to start an aggressive gnat eradication program. The pitchers will thank them at least.

2008-09-05 19:23:53

106. Tripon

Andre Ethier, Jayson Werth, or Cody Ross?

2008-09-05 19:24:22

107. Alex41592

98 - Goodness Gagne is hearing it from the fans.

2008-09-05 19:24:26

108. Gagne55

a rapid whirling about of the body?

2008-09-05 19:25:11

109. Bob Timmermann

Pirouette comes from Middle French. It's a mixture of "pir" meaning "peg" and "rouette" which means "little wheel."

2008-09-05 19:25:13

110. Gagne55

107 I so wish I could change my DT alias.

2008-09-05 19:25:43

111. LogikReader

I never thought, of all the incumbent Dodgers, Andre Ethier would be the first to 20 HRs. This is awesome!

2008-09-05 19:26:06

112. Tripon

110 Eric Gagne wishes he could drown himself in beer.

2008-09-05 19:27:29

113. Alex41592

I don't get it they let Sabathia pitch with a huge lead for 9 innings more than once. But, in a one run game they take him out to bring in Gagne. 106 pitches for Sabathia is nothing.

2008-09-05 19:27:47

114. Tripon

I was listening to the local ESPN radio show today, Denholm and Long. For some reason, he kept on blaming Kemp, and Loney, and Ethier to 'stop being prospects' and 'start being superstars'. A bunch of eye rolling was commencing.

2008-09-05 19:28:00

115. LogikReader

Bob's description of Gagne's appearance cracked me up big time. Well played, sir!

2008-09-05 19:28:16

116. sporky

Did FSN ever do a special on Lowe?

2008-09-05 19:28:56

117. MollyKnight

Eckstein is shorter than I am. Dustin Pedroia is my height.

I'm 5'6.

Turtle and E from Entourage are also my height.

2008-09-05 19:29:18

118. Sam DC

110 Unless it's a personal commitment to that alias that is blocking you, you can.

Ask Bokonon42.

2008-09-05 19:29:22

119. Tripon

Adam Dunn, personally trying to help Lowe reach type-A Free Agency.

2008-09-05 19:29:43

120. Gagne55

Strangely, Ethier already has more PA than all of last year, despite 30 fewer games played.

2008-09-05 19:30:15

121. sporky

119 Bless his high-OBP heart.

2008-09-05 19:30:17

122. Bluebleeder87

20 jacks for Ethier, 3.5 will be a myth from now on...

Good Job Ethier.

2008-09-05 19:30:35

123. Gagne55

118 You mean without creating a new account?

2008-09-05 19:31:01

124. Tripon

120 He was doing a lot of pinch hitting due to Gonzo being on the team, and Grady Little having no guts to sit an aging vet.

2008-09-05 19:31:29

125. UVaDodger

79 Yeah, the te really confused me...but thanks, that was fun. Haven't worked out the Latin part of my brain in far too long.

77 This is also my problem.

2008-09-05 19:31:38

126. bokonon42

118- Shhh!

2008-09-05 19:32:01

127. Bob Timmermann

Gagne was able to get out of the jam by retiring the formidable (in the eyes of Vin) Chip Ambres.

Sabathia, despite giving up only one run, wasn't particularly sharp. He looked to be laboring on every pitch.

2008-09-05 19:33:08

128. Andrew Shimmin

123- No, you can't do it without creating a new account. But it's pretty easy to create a new account, and there's really no benefit from seniority around here.

2008-09-05 19:33:11

129. Sam DC

123 Hmmm, by the looks of 126, I guess it does take a new account.

Or maybe bugging Ken?

2008-09-05 19:33:26

130. UVaDodger

Looks like its good Lowe tonight. At least it does via Gameday.

2008-09-05 19:33:58

131. underdog

114 Who are Denholm and Long? Sound like a couple of actors in a Merchant-Ivory film, but based on those comments you cite I assume they're circus clowns.

2008-09-05 19:34:00

132. Tripon

You might even be able to recreate a memorable entry such as I Love L.A.

2008-09-05 19:34:31

133. underdog

Just don't change your name to Dreifort55.

2008-09-05 19:34:40

134. Gagne55

116 One of their reporters did.

2008-09-05 19:35:24

135. LogikReader

Bob Timmermann had the descr