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Hale, Hardy and Still Humble
2008-10-02 21:47
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

The bottom of the ninth inning will remind the Dodgers of their fallibility, but 'tis a mere scratch in their fans' Chicago bliss. What a pair of games for the Dodgers. I mean - these are the Dodgers, right? For 8 1/2 innings, there was hardly anything for me to comment on other than the gaping wonderment on my face.

Chad Billingsley was sensational, the execution on offense was sensational (that hit-and-run in the second inning was straight outta '88), the whole night was ... what's the word? Oh - sensational.

Gonna keep it short tonight, but there's one thing I want to add. And I completely, entirely do not mean it as a putdown. I'm only pointing it out as fair play.

Every crowd shot in the ninth showed empty seats in the stands. Many Cub fans stayed, but plenty left. And why shouldn't they - pushing midnight on a school/work night and down by nine. Sure, they missed out on something and might have missed out on more. But leaving was a valid choice. And fans everywhere make it. Everywhere.

Saturday, some Dodger fans will leave early, but it's actually possible they'll be doing it with a smile sweeping across their faces ...

Comments (87)
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2008-10-02 22:08:12
1.   Rob M
Awesome game - post season wins are a separate class of fun that I indulge in all too rarely. Yay! And goodnight to all.
2008-10-02 22:10:03
2.   caseybarker
What an anti-climactic game.
2008-10-02 22:11:42
3.   Eric Stephen
Between favorable odds on the Dodgers and a possible refund for Sunday, this could be a profitable week for me! :)
2008-10-02 22:14:24
4.   njr
Woohoo! Go Dodgers!! Amazing game. I honestly can't believe that we've won the last two games. Feels unreal. Let's finish this series in LA!

I don't want to play the persecuted fan, but it's amazing how little was said about Billz in the TBS coverage. He was so good tonight. Hey-- I'm happy with Billz flying under the radar for as long as possible. And now that I think about it, let's be the underdogs! Go Dodgers!

2008-10-02 22:17:13
5.   underdog
If Dodger God forbid the Dodgers lose Game 3, I would be stunned if it isn't Lowe back for Game 4. It's already been decided of course, and I'm assuming that's the decision. I'll be veddy happy if it doesn't even come to that, but will also be pretty confident in Lowe out there for another game.

Okay, off to get some work done. High fives all around.

2008-10-02 22:18:09
6.   Tripon
Boxton had some good defense behind him tonight. Amazingly, started by Berroa. Also, this is the 2nd straight game for Furcal, and he's looking great.

Kuroda's rested, he's pitched great in San Fran on Monday. He's going to keep us in the game, lets work Harden and try to knock him out fast, and shock baseball all over again.

2008-10-02 22:19:03
7.   underdog
Btw, Pinella hanging Fukudome out to dry in that press conference seemed uncalled for. He's been terrible, but he shouldn't even be playing. That's on the manager, and the errors in the infield aren't his fault either. And Billingsley pitched superbly. Fukudome should be benched, but Pinella going off about it at the presser seemed out of line to me. Whatever, go ahead and implode Lou.
2008-10-02 22:19:19
8.   Eric Stephen
This is the craziness of the playoffs. The Cubs were the best team in the NL all year, and before they know it, they get the gut punch of a 2-0 hole, and all of a sudden the wind is out of the sails.

All the momentum in the world can vanish in a second. Here's hoping the Dodgers never let up, and find a few more guts to punch along the way.

2008-10-02 22:20:48
9.   kinbote
{I'm speechless}
2008-10-02 22:20:52
10.   LoneStar7
so i guess it was definitely a mistake watching tbs...all i got was a cubs pep rally telling them its not over till its over, then twice they showed an interview in which pinella expressed his disgust with fukudome, and then the phillies highlights..
2008-10-02 22:22:29
11.   Jon Weisman
2-Man, we get jaded quickly.
2008-10-02 22:23:26
12.   superbas
i was impressed how after a long season billz stepped up in his first playoff game...he's a bulldog. i was always nervous last year whenever he pitched because you never know whether it's the good or bad chad. this year he's really improved and been alot more consistent and battle when his stuff isn't there.
2008-10-02 22:23:31
13.   Tripon
My greatest fear is that the Dodgers fans become Red Sox Nation.
2008-10-02 22:25:04
14.   Neal Pollack
Let them talk about the Cubs all they want...we're in the driver's seat. It feels so smooth and comfortable and leathery.
2008-10-02 22:25:37
15.   superbas
torre press conference on espn news
2008-10-02 22:25:39
16.   LogikReader
13

Hear Hear! Enough with the nations! Can we at least keep it down to a sovereign state? A municipality? Dodger Fanatic District!!!

2008-10-02 22:26:52
17.   trainwreck
Harden always has pitch count and fatigue issues. Even if Harden is pitching well, we stay patient and we can get him out of the game early.
2008-10-02 22:27:37
18.   Bob Timmermann
My greatest fear is that one day I'll be walking down the street and a bus will careen off the street and nearly miss me, but when I dust myself off I'll find out that I scratched my knee and then the flesh-eating bacteria will come after and I'll lose one of my arms. And then upset because I lost my arm, I'll go get drunk and kill a doctor's wife, but the doctor will get blamed for it and sent to prison, but he'll escape because of a train wreck and then he'll eventually come after me because he knows I did it.
2008-10-02 22:28:32
19.   KG16
18 - someone has been watching TV Land. Or TNT.
2008-10-02 22:28:50
20.   Louis in SF
While the 9th inning was a bit rough for Saito, I wonder if he was warmed up enough. He also didn't seem to want to through his slider or his best slider.

Thought TBS was funny, right after the Pinella comment by Fukodome, they showed a Paul Silas clip from a few years back, where he said he was not going to talk anymore about Eric Snow-both together were pretty funny.

2008-10-02 22:31:58
21.   LogikReader
With the series shifting to LA, my Dad and I will be headed to Game 3 on Saturday night! woo hoo... S-A-T-U-R... D-A-Y... night!

I hope they still run the Dodger trolley!

2008-10-02 22:34:36
22.   TellMeTheScoreRickMonday
21 Got a Dodgers press release today confirming the Dodgers Trolley (Paid For By The City Of Los Angeles, Not The Cheap Frank McCourt) is indeed up and running for the NLDS.
2008-10-02 22:36:53
23.   Frip
18 You either dropped acid tonight or you're letting your inner doofis run free. Either way, I like it.
2008-10-02 22:40:09
24.   PDH5204
Three down. Three to go.
2008-10-02 22:40:28
25.   I Heard Ron Cey to Steve Howe Davey Lopes
0 Hmm... Did Jon just say sweeping?
2008-10-02 22:45:20
26.   68elcamino427
I am ready for a dramatic three game win streak.

Billingsley - The Ace of the staff.

2008-10-02 22:45:23
27.   I Heard Ron Cey to Steve Howe Davey Lopes
18 I suppose that could happen - or you could be on the bus and somehow prevent it from happening to someone else. And then, you know, suddenly - you're a hero.
2008-10-02 22:46:22
28.   kadycee
Headline from the Guardian (in summary that came up in Google news Search):

Ruthless Dodgers Crush Cubs

How awesome is that? We are Spartans!

2008-10-02 22:46:48
29.   Alex41592
My goodness on Saturday night Dodger Stadium is going to be rocking.
2008-10-02 22:47:11
30.   Eric Enders
I'm sure I just totally jinxed everything, but I booked a flight to L.A. for October 25. You know, just in case.
2008-10-02 22:49:57
31.   DougS
4 10 Maybe I'm just getting old, but I have a hard time caring these days what the national sporting press says about my local teams. If they ignore and underestimate Bills, well, what's most important is that the Dodgers understand what he's worth.

I spent a six-year stretch living in Chicago, so I was actually kind of amused by all of the dour crowd shots. I loved the city in a lot of ways, but Cub fandom and Notre Dame fandom irritated me.

Man, these last couple of days have been beautiful. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.

2008-10-02 22:51:39
32.   underdog
24 Don't you mean 2 down, 1 to go? Or is this referring to some other math equation?
2008-10-02 22:55:57
33.   ucladodger
Rafael Furcal is the difference between being a good team to maybe the most dangerous team in the playoffs. What he adds really is just amazing. The addition of Manny was huge and helped us get to the playoffs. The addition of Furcal is what will propel this team to places many of us couldnt have imagined even a month ago.
2008-10-02 22:59:19
34.   Tripon
http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/photos?photoId=2051489&gameId=281002116

Apparently, the camera loves Kemp.

2008-10-02 23:00:51
35.   Reddog
12.

Billingsley is a bulldog, and there were quite a few times tonight when he really reminded me of Orel Hershiser.

We're the hot team right now, everything's working, we keep it up and no one'll stop us!

2008-10-02 23:05:53
36.   kadycee
34 hilarious
2008-10-02 23:11:22
37.   trainwreck
34
Spider-man, Spider-man...
2008-10-02 23:12:51
38.   xaphor
SportingNews' Stan McNeal knows the score...

What we learned: Billingsley's the real deal
http://tinyurl.com/3frsnp

"Hero of the game
Russell Martin smoked a bases-loaded double in the second inning that broke open the Dodgers' 10-3 victory, but Game 2 belonged to 24-year-old Chad Billingsley."

2008-10-02 23:17:08
39.   Tripon
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-simers3-2008oct03,0,7854972.column

Simers article.

2008-10-02 23:22:12
40.   ryu
"Billingsley, as nice a young man as the Dodgers have in the clubhouse ..."

Wow, did Simers actually pay someone a compliment?

2008-10-02 23:24:31
41.   Tripon
http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3622643&categoryId=2521705&n8pe6c=2

Bill Simmons does an interview about his Manny article.

2008-10-02 23:26:33
42.   trainwreck
Keep focusing on the Cubs and ignore we exist ESPN.

We can continue to make you look foolish.

2008-10-02 23:37:17
43.   Tripon
http://www.latimes.com/sports/baseball/mlb/dodgers/la-sp-plaschke3-2008oct03,0,6065145.column

Plaschke article.

2008-10-02 23:42:22
44.   Tripon
http://www.latimes.com/sports/baseball/mlb/dodgers/la-sp-media3-2008oct03,0,5163696.story

Steve Springer rips the FSN Prime Dodgers crew of being homers.

This is too awesome.

2008-10-02 23:51:41
45.   trainwreck
44
People watch that expecting real analysis?
2008-10-02 23:51:53
46.   xaphor
I think its safe to stop reading 44 at this point, "If they want information, they go to the media."
2008-10-02 23:56:02
47.   Eric Stephen
We are about 5 minutes from the anniversary of one of the worst days in Dodger history. Yet, on this October 3, Dodger fans are ecstatic.
2008-10-03 00:16:54
48.   El Lay Dave
39 "This is not do or die; we've got the chance to play better baseball in L.A., and bring it back here." -- Lou Piniella

Uh, Lou, one more loss and you're done. I think it is do or die.

2008-10-03 00:29:15
49.   njr
The kids get some props on ESPN.com:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2008/news/story?id=3623370

2008-10-03 00:33:00
50.   trainwreck
48
Lou is like a raccoon. He gets crazy when he is backed into a corner.

He basically keeps giving us no credit. There is a reason your team is not playing well, because we are pwning you.

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2008-10-03 00:38:38
51.   Tripon
Not to rag on anyone's parade, but Joe Torre is the same guy who managed the 2004 Yankees to a 3-0 lead in the ALCS and somehow lost that series to the Red Sox.

This series isn't over until we kick the crap out of the Cubs one last time, and until then I won't be smug about it.

2008-10-03 00:39:45
52.   underdog
49 That article warms me no end.

>>No, these aren't your father's Los Angeles Dodgers. They're not even your big brother's. The Baby Blue Crew has pushed names like Nomar, Kent and Pierre to the bench and shipped Hall of Famer Greg Maddux to the back of the bullpen. And yet with little or no postseason experience, they're smacking around the Chicago Cubs in the Division Series like it's a Spring Training warm-up against Cal-State Fullerton.<<

51 Definitely, they still need to finish the job. I'm sure they're aware of that though and aren't taking anything for granted. I'm sure Torre remembers that very well.

2008-10-03 00:39:55
53.   Jacob Burch
49 Bad Matt for preemptive calling. You are not DeRosa. Still, context is key there I suppose.
2008-10-03 00:40:50
54.   Tripon
On a better note, BP has updated its post season rankings and has the Dodgers winning the WS with a 14.1% chance, second only to the Red Sox. This despite the Dodgers ranking 16th in their secret sauce stat, and last among playoff participates.
2008-10-03 00:54:50
55.   Tripon
BP also puts us a favorite over the Phillies in a hypothetical match up.
2008-10-03 00:56:07
56.   trainwreck
51
I said it before, but I have gone through this twice with the A's and that is why I have stressed about finishing this on Saturday.
2008-10-03 00:57:13
57.   trainwreck
Even if worst comes to worst, we got Bills pitching the 5th game.

I definitely have confidence in that.

2008-10-03 01:03:32
58.   Bill Crain
Hey, guys; good news!

We've all been transferred to a different universe!

2008-10-03 01:15:29
59.   LAT
After sitting in a downtown bar drinking and watching the game I expected to come home get on line and find Chad was the new darling of the national media. Instead it looks like ESPN and the rest of the country went to bed by the second inning. I guess the VP debate took the wind out of the media sails. Come on, where is the national media asking who is this guy and where did he come from. Bills is awsome give him some love.

Ok, don't recognize him and he will remain LA's secret. It better that way.

2008-10-03 01:27:10
60.   trainwreck
59
This is why we believed in our young guys all these years. The whole baseball world is going to get to know them this year and for years to come.
2008-10-03 01:53:22
61.   DodgerPhan
Can someone transcribe (or provide a link to video) what Piniella said regarding Fukudome, I missed the press conference.
2008-10-03 01:59:00
62.   trainwreck
Summer Height High looks like such a good show. Can't wait.
2008-10-03 02:09:03
63.   LoneStar7
51 I hope everyone, especially the players are thinking that way, these cubs wont roll over and die
2008-10-03 02:11:15
64.   Jacob Burch
61 Question was something along the lines of "Lou, regarding Fukudome...."

Lou: "From now on I don't want to hear about Fukudome anymore as far as whether he's going to play or not. I'm gonna play Fontenot or Reed Johnson or somebody else and that's the end of that story. The kid's struggling and there's no sense sending him out there anymore."

2008-10-03 05:08:22
65.   Eric Stephen
OK guys, all we gotta do is come out Saturday and win at a rockin' Dodger Stadium to turn this thing around and force a Game 4, and we can go from...wait, we're up 2-0? Well alright!
2008-10-03 05:18:53
66.   Andrew Shimmin
32 - I expect the equation in question is based on rooting for both the Dodgers and the Rays.
2008-10-03 06:09:18
67.   Ken Noe
Oh, we're two-thirds of the way there
Oh! Livin' on a prayer
Take Furcal's hand, grab Manny by the hair
Oh! Livin' on a prayer
2008-10-03 06:57:27
68.   Gen3Blue
Two in a row!! This is a long forgotten feeling for a Dodgers fan.
And thanks to Jon for pointing me to the Bill Simmons ESPN.com piece about Manny. It is lengthy, but it is helping me resolve my schizoid feelings about Manny (here in NE, surrounded by Sox fans). His two main arguments seem to be that the Red Sox establishment and media are no band of angels, and the blame is mostly Scott Boras'. As some people may know, I am delighted to take that view.
2008-10-03 07:01:01
69.   Gen3Blue
And the poor Cubs in that second inning. That had to be the turn-around for the 2 at the plate game a few years back.
2008-10-03 07:11:03
70.   seesdifferent
In Chicago, the Cubs' infield defense was exposed as kind of a joke. In LA, it could be the Cubs' outfield defense that will be exposed...Dodger Stadium is a much bigger space.

Soriano is a pathetic outfielder, Edmonds has clearly lost a step or two in center, and they are benching their best right fielder. Manny may not be Willie Mays, but he doesn't make many mistakes, and Ethier and Kemp really cover a lot of ground.

2008-10-03 07:26:31
71.   JoeyP
Its kind of odd that the pitching matchups favored the Dodgers at Wrigley, but will favor the Cubs at DS.

Dodgers still would have a big advantage in game 5, bc Lowe's pitching much better than Dempster.

If the Cubs win game 3, I'd hope the Dodgers start Kershaw in game 4 rather than Maddux.

2008-10-03 07:29:31
72.   Disabled List
I wanted to post a link to the same article in 49 . I can't tell you how vindicating this feels. For almost three years now, I've been telling anyone who'll listen, "Wait and see, these kids are terrific, just give them some time, they're going to be fantastic players."

FTA: In the first two games of the series, the kid Dodgers -- Blake DeWitt, Andre Ethier, Kemp, Loney and Martin have combined to hit two home runs, drive in 10 RBIs and score seven times.

Of course there's Manny, but it's our guys who are carrying us in this playoff run. Total vindication. Awesome.

2008-10-03 08:06:32
73.   MC Safety
My Bloody Valentine was INSANE. Took me right back to the Glory Days. This week has just been too good to be true.
2008-10-03 08:07:25
74.   Frip
44

Steve Springer from the LA Times confusing home town fans with accounting auditors:

"Nothing, except a loss of credibility. Fans might love being fans, but they want to be informed fans. If they want inspiration, they'll go to a pep rally. If they want information, they go to the media.

But only if they think they'll get balanced analysis. Only if they think they can get an unbiased appraisal of their team."

About 1 in 50 home-town fans feel this way.

2008-10-03 08:10:46
75.   MC Safety
50 The word pwned gets me every time. Lol.
2008-10-03 08:11:34
76.   was it tims mitt i saw
Hey, I have two questions that you guys may be able to answer for me.

1. Will the Dodger shuttle will be running this Saturday?

2. If the game is rained out, what happens to the tickets?

2008-10-03 08:18:28
77.   Frip
1. Will the Dodger shuttle will be running this Saturday?

Yes

2. If the game is rained out, what happens to the tickets?

They get wet.

2008-10-03 08:22:12
78.   LogikReader
A little Giants Playoff Baseball History for our neighbors up north:

57 years ago today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrI7dVj90zs

Yesterday: http://tinyurl.com/4u6fw2

2008-10-03 08:22:49
79.   Eric Stephen
71
I have a feeling Lowe will start if needed on Sunday, on 3 days rest.

Worst case scenario: Billingsley pitches Game 5 on regular rest

Best case scenario: Dodgers and Lowe win game 4 (obviously a game 3 win would be better but we're talking IF there is a game 4), then they start the NLCS with a rested Bills followed by Lowe in Game 2 on regular rest.

2008-10-03 08:22:56
80.   MollyKnight
All of this seems to be taking place about two years too early. Don't get me wrong: I'm fine with it.
2008-10-03 08:23:36
81.   Eric Stephen
78
I love it! (the second link; not the first)
2008-10-03 08:26:37
82.   cargill06
I can't wait to see what Harden is bringing. That radar reading will be very important in the bottom of the 1st.
2008-10-03 08:31:34
83.   Eric Stephen
Lowe on 3 days rest:

2008
One game, got tagged in a loss to Angels: 5 IP, 10 H, 7 R

2006
One game, blowout win vs Pittsburgh: 6 IP, 6 H, 4 R, 2 ER

2003
One game, win at Milwaukee: 6 IP, 5 H, 1 R

A real small sample size. I thought he had pitched more on short rest, that's for sure.

2008-10-03 08:35:08
84.   Jon Weisman
NPUT
2008-10-03 08:36:00
85.   Sam PHL
83. Doesn't he claim to like being tired so that the sinker has more sink? Since, he hasn't many starts on short rest, I wonder what he's basing that on.
2008-10-03 08:36:02
86.   cargill06
Updated BP post-season odds

LDS- 86.2%
LCS- 45.1%
WS- 18.1%

We have the best odds off making the world series.

2008-10-03 08:38:20
87.   Gen3Blue
80 I know what you mean, I remember how long it took for the Garvey infield guys to come together. But no complaints.

I just realized that of the starting nine last night, the D's only paid the left side of the infield more than one million dollars, and the rest considerably less.
Amazing.

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