Baseball Toaster Dodger Thoughts
Log in | Register | Help
Jon Weisman's outlet
for dealing psychologically
with the Los Angeles Dodgers
and baseball.
Hot from the Toaster
BlogAds
Search
Google Search
Web
Toaster
Dodger Thoughts
Archives

2008
11  10  09  08  07 
06  05  04  03  02  01 

2007
12  11  10  09  08  07 
06  05  04  03  02  01 

2006
12  11  10  09  08  07 
06  05  04  03  02  01 

2005
12  11  10  09  08  07 
06  05  04  03  02  01 

2004
12  11  10  09  08  07 
06  05  04  03  02  01 

2003
12  11  10  09  08  07 
06  05  04  03  02  01 

2002
09  08  07 
About Jon
Support Dodger Thoughts

Dodger Thoughts T-Shirts
On sale through February 16, 2008
DT Blue on WhiteDT-WhiteonBLue
Click here to order.

* * *

Cover 11.25 jpeg

The Best of Dodger Thoughts
A 325-page book featuring the top selections from this website from 2002-2005.

Click here for more information.

On Sale Now at Lulu.com

Support independent publishing: buy this book on Lulu.

* * *

Or, just make a donation to support the site. Many thanks.

"Dodger Thoughts, like TiVo, is one of those things you can completely do without until you start using it."

- Fanerman

Dodger Sites
Dodger Resources
Non-Partisan Baseball Sites
Partisan Baseball Sites
Baseball, Among Other Things
Invaluable Resources
Less Dodgers, More L.A.
All in the Family
Other Writing by Jon on the Web

SI.com
NL West Preview
Evaluating Defense
Colletti and Depo
World Baseball Classic
Minor League Broadcasters
Slow Starts
Eric Gagne
Groundball Pitchers
Dodger Prospects
Albert Pujols
Humbled Angels
You Be the Manager
Eric Gagne II
Unreliable Relievers
Revived Angels
It's Okay To Sell
Dodger Turnaround
Andre Ethier
Padres-Dodgers Showdown
NL Final Weekend
Mets-Dodgers NLDS
Postseason ratings
NL Wish Lists
Manny vs. J.D.
McGwire Controversy
Dodger Offense
Trainers Matter

Variety
Will Arnett
John C. McGinley
Laura Dern
Imelda Staunton
SAG Awards
Ellen Pompeo
Grey's Anatomy
2004-05 Rookie Dramas
Anthony Hopkins
NATPE
Scrubs
Award Shows
Topher Grace
Ashton Kutcher
Writing on Improv Shows
Rainn Wilson
T.R. Knight
Guest Actors
Animation Guests
Joey Carson and Tennis
Donald Trump and Golf
2006 Emmys Nominees*
*Comedy Series
*Comedy Director
*Comedy Writer
*Comedy Actor
*Comedy Supporting Actor
Blue's Clues
Lizzy Caplan
Ann Donahue
CMT: Giants
CMA Awards
Little Miss Sunshine
Actor-Directors
Freshman Series
Clint Eastwood
Showrunners vs. Censors
Little Children
Breaking and Entering
Tartikoff Legacy Awards
Jackie Earle Haley
Knights of Prosperity
Office Online
2007 Screenplay Noms
Friday Night Lights
Robert Benton
ABC Fridays
Rookie Actors
Global Casting
2007 Pilot Casting
Sublime Slime

Also ...
A Season in Savannah (Stanford Magazine)
Five Questions: Los Angeles Dodgers (2005) (Hardball Times)
Rick Monday (Baseball Analysts)
Baseball's Odd Couple (Baseball Prospectus)
Five Questions: Los Angeles Dodgers (2006) (Hardball Times)
Five Questions: Los Angeles Dodgers (2007) (Hardball Times)

More Shameless Self-Promotion
2008 Season

Dodger home record: 50-35 (.588)
When Jon attended: 9-5 (.643)
When Jon didn't: 41-30 (.577)

1991-2008

Dodgers at home: 795-635 (.556)
Jon attended: 302-238 (.559)*
Jon didn't: 498-404 (.552)
* includes road games attended

2009 Payroll Worksheet

Current Roster with Estimated 2009 Salaries
(updated November 14)

Most figures are estimates (some are wild estimates) but will be updated as information comes in. Corrections welcome.

More contract details here.

Starting Pitchers (5)
$10,000,000 Hiroki Kuroda
*$475,000 Chad Billingsley
*$415,000 Clayton Kershaw
*$405,000 Eric Stults
*$400,000 James McDonald
*Total: $11,695,000

Bullpen (7)
*$2,500,000 Takashi Saito
*$1,300,000 Scott Proctor
*$1,500,000 Jonathan Broxton
*$425,000 Hong-Chih Kuo
*$420,000 Cory Wade
*$410,000 Ramon Troncoso
*$400,000 Scott Elbert
Total: $6,955,000

Also on 40-man roster
Mario Alvarez
Yhency Brazoban
Greg Miller
Justin Orenduff

Starting Lineup (8)
$17,100,000 Andruw Jones
*$3,000,000 Russell Martin
*$2,500,000 Andre Ethier
*$600,000 Matt Kemp
*$600,000 James Loney
*$500,000 Angel Berroa
*$410,000 Blake DeWitt
*$400,000 Tony Abreu
Total: $25,110,000

Bench (5)
$10,000,000 Juan Pierre
*$600,000 Jason Repko
*$410,000 Delwyn Young
*$400,000 Danny Ardoin
*$400,000 Chin-Lung Hu
Total: $11,810,000
Note: Team can buy out Ozuna's 2009 option for $200,000

Also on 40-man roster
A.J. Ellis
Lucas May
Xavier Paul

Disabled List
$12,000,000 Jason Schmidt

Also Paying ...
$2,000,000 Brad Penny (buyout of $9,000,000 option)
$50,000 Gary Bennett (buyout of $900,000 option)
Note: Kansas City is responsible for $500,000 buyout of Angel Berroa's $5,500,000 option for 2009.

Working total: *$68,020,000

The 2008 Dodgers

ESPN BR BP Cube Alvarez
ESPN BR BP Cube Abreu
ESPN BR BP Cube Beimel
ESPN BR BP Cube Bennett
ESPN BR BP Cube Billingsley
ESPN BR BP Cube Brazoban
ESPN BR BP Cube Broxton
ESPN BR BP Cube DeWitt
ESPN BR BP Cube Ethier
ESPN BR BP Cube Furcal
ESPN BR BP Cube Garciaparra
ESPN BR BP Cube Hu
ESPN BR BP Cube Jones
ESPN BR BP Cube Kemp
ESPN BR BP Cube Kent
ESPN BR BP Cube Kuo
ESPN BR BP Cube Kuroda
ESPN BR BP Cube LaRoche
ESPN BR BP Cube Loaiza
ESPN BR BP Cube Loney
ESPN BR BP Cube Lowe
ESPN BR BP Cube Martin
ESPN BR BP Cube May
ESPN BR BP Cube McDonald
ESPN BR BP Cube Meloan
ESPN BR BP Cube Miller
ESPN BR BP Cube Orenduff
ESPN BR BP Cube Park
ESPN BR BP Cube Paul
ESPN BR BP Cube Penny
ESPN BR BP Cube Pierre
ESPN BR BP Cube Proctor
ESPN BR BP Cube Repko
ESPN BR BP Cube Saito
ESPN BR BP Cube Schmidt
ESPN BR BP Cube Stults
ESPN BR BP Cube Sweeney
ESPN BR BP Cube Troncoso
ESPN BR BP Cube Wade
ESPN BR BP Cube Young

Selected Recent Ex-Dodgers

ESPN BR BP Cube Alomar
ESPN BR BP Cube Alvarez
ESPN BR BP Cube Aybar
ESPN BR BP Cube Baez
ESPN BR BP Cube Bako
ESPN BR BP Cube Beltre
ESPN BR BP Cube Bradley
ESPN BR BP Cube Cabrera
ESPN BR BP Cube Carrara
ESPN BR BP Cube Carter
ESPN BR BP Cube Chen
ESPN BR BP Cube Choi
ESPN BR BP Cube Cora
ESPN BR BP Cube Crosby
ESPN BR BP Cube Cruz
ESPN BR BP Cube Dessens
ESPN BR BP Cube Dreifort
ESPN BR BP Cube Drew
ESPN BR BP Cube Encarnacion
ESPN BR BP Cube Edwards
ESPN BR BP Cube Erickson
ESPN BR BP Cube Falkenborg
ESPN BR BP Cube Finley
ESPN BR BP Cube Flores
ESPN BR BP Cube Gagne
ESPN BR BP Cube Grabowski
ESPN BR BP Cube Green
ESPN BR BP Cube Guzman
ESPN BR BP Cube Hanrahan
ESPN BR BP Cube Hernandez
ESPN BR BP Cube Hundley
ESPN BR BP Cube Ishii
ESPN BR BP Cube Izturis
ESPN BR BP Cube Jackson
ESPN BR BP Cube Karros
ESPN BR BP Cube Ketchner
ESPN BR BP Cube Ledee
ESPN BR BP Cube Lima
ESPN BR BP Cube Lo Duca
ESPN BR BP Cube Lofton
ESPN BR BP Cube T. Martin
ESPN BR BP Cube Mayne
ESPN BR BP Cube G. Mota
ESPN BR BP Cube Mueller
ESPN BR BP Cube Myrow
ESPN BR BP Cube Nakamura
ESPN BR BP Cube Navarro
ESPN BR BP Cube Nomo
ESPN BR BP Cube Osoria
ESPN BR BP Cube A. Perez
ESPN BR BP Cube O. Perez
ESPN BR BP Cube Phillips
ESPN BR BP Cube Proctor
ESPN BR BP Cube Roberts
ESPN BR BP Cube Robles
ESPN BR BP Cube Romano
ESPN BR BP Cube C. Ross
ESPN BR BP Cube D. Ross
ESPN BR BP Cube Sanchez
ESPN BR BP Cube Schmoll
ESPN BR BP Cube Sele
ESPN BR BP Cube Seo
ESPN BR BP Cube Shuey
ESPN BR BP Cube Stanley
ESPN BR BP Cube S. Stewart
ESPN BR BP Cube Thompson
ESPN BR BP Cube Thurston
ESPN BR BP Cube Valentin
ESPN BR BP Cube Venafro
ESPN BR BP Cube Ventura
ESPN BR BP Cube Weaver
ESPN BR BP Cube Werth
ESPN BR BP Cube Wilson
ESPN BR BP Cube Wunsch

Dodger Thoughts Land
Thank You For Not ...

1) using profanity or any euphemisms for profanity
2) personally attacking other commenters
3) baiting other commenters
4) arguing for the sake of arguing
5) discussing politics
6) using hyperbole when something less will suffice
7) using sarcasm in a way that can be misinterpreted negatively
8) making the same point over and over again
9) typing "no-hitter" or "perfect game" to describe either in progress
10) being annoyed by the existence of this list
11) commenting under the obvious influence
12) claiming your opinion isn't allowed when it's just being disagreed with

Syndication

rss2.0

Add to My Yahoo!
Lineup Change
2008-10-12 12:13
by Jon Weisman

Mike Scioscia's Tragic Illness has the starting lineup of the Dodgers' first game against Jamie Moyer - on July 10, 1986:

1. Bill Russell RF (RF?!)
2. Steve Sax 2B
3. Ken Landreaux LF
4. Enos Cabell 1B
5. Jeff Hamilton 3B
6. Reggie Williams CF
7. Mariano Duncan SS
8. Jack Fimple C
9. Orel Hershiser P

In that game, Davey Lopes started at third base for the Cubs over Ron Cey. Greg Maddux made his major-league debut for Chicago two months later.

* * *

Speaking of obscure but memorable Dodgers, minor-league coach Garey Ingram and two others have been let go by the team, reports Tony Jackson of the Daily News.

Comments
2008-10-12 12:20:17
1.   Alex41592
If the Dodgers have the same success tonight as they did on that date we're in great shape.
2008-10-12 12:25:07
2.   jtrichey
But, oh!, that lineup. 1986 and 1987, the bad old days for sure.
2008-10-12 12:26:03
3.   LoneStar7
eh I got LAT'd but it my statement was pretty unimportant, basically I'm going to just try to keep myself busy until game time because the nerves are really setting in now..

I'll maybe check in later, go blue!

2008-10-12 12:27:29
4.   Bob Timmermann
Of players who participated in that game 22 years ago, Davey Lopes is the oldest. He's 62. Bill Russell turns 60 next week.
2008-10-12 12:33:42
5.   Bluebleeder87
with out looking I'm thinking Steve Sax probably had a good year in '86 maybe Duncan as well, Hershiser from what I remember was o.k. (still coming into his own that year) but that's about it, Landreaux for some reason I feel bad for because (i'm I remember correctly) got traded or retired in '88 & that's the year we won it all...
2008-10-12 12:39:28
6.   Bob Timmermann
Landreaux's ineffectiveness, probably not helped by his substance abuse problems, led the Dodgers to acquire a slightly younger and just as bad center fielder in John Shelby in 1987.

Sax almost won the batting title in 1986.

2008-10-12 12:52:34
7.   jasonungar07
Did Ken always have problems or just when Enos Cabell came to town?
2008-10-12 13:11:54
8.   berkowit28
Am I mistaken, or has Loney not been next only to Ramirez as a contributor to postseason hitting, right up through the last game? And didn't Garciaparra go out on the very last at bat of the last game on 3 pitches, swinging ineffectually at all 3? And hasn't Blake been somewhat under par as a hitter in the postseason?

I get it that Loney has done well in the past against Moyer, and that he doesn't have the dexterity for handling 3rd base. But is he really going to get more hits than Loney? Can there be some other reason for starting him over Loney?

2008-10-12 13:15:00
9.   Bob Timmermann
I think that once Moyer leaves the game, Loney comes in. The Dodgers just have to worry if Romero comes in to relieve.
2008-10-12 13:18:14
10.   Bob Timmermann
7
During Landreaux's entire career, he had a reputation for a poor work ethic and not living up to his ability. When the Angels and Twins traded him, his teammates were not sorry to see him go.
2008-10-12 13:18:28
11.   Bluebleeder87
Romero this year (I've notice) has Billinglsey like thighs...
2008-10-12 13:19:51
12.   Bluebleeder87
8

Nomar hits Moyer very well Berkowit28... I'm cool with it (lefty righty) but like Bob says once Moyer is out bring in Loney.

2008-10-12 13:26:29
13.   Alex41592
Per ITD

Rollins, SS
Victorino, CF
Utley, 2B
Howard, 1B
Burrell, LF
Werth, RF
Feliz, 3B
Ruiz, C
Moyer, LHP

Furcal, SS
Ethier, RF
Ramirez, LF
Martin, C
Nomar, 1B
Blake, 3B
Kemp, CF
DeWitt, 2B
Kuroda, RHP

2008-10-12 13:28:41
14.   atg12
Something came up last minute and I can't go to the game tonight. Have two tickets in reserve section 25, 2nd row. If anyone wants these, you can have them for under face value. 310 945 6811.
-Alan
2008-10-12 13:32:04
15.   DBrim
I can't believe we're rewarding Nomar with ABs after that atrocity he ended Friday's game with.
2008-10-12 13:37:29
16.   goofus
Wasn't Landreaux stopped once in an airport with a gun in his pocket during his playing days?
2008-10-12 13:37:31
17.   Who Is Karim Garcia
10

During a game last year me and my brother had a conversation about the worst Dodgers we'd ever seen play. I gave my argument for Mel Rojas, Alan Mills and Shelby. My brother went on this huge rant about how he hated Ken Landreaux.

Turns out the woman seated in front of us was his sister in law and she called him down from where he was sitting to sit with.

Never met a better guy. Great baseball talk and had great things to say about Loney and Delwyn Young.

Weird, eh?

2008-10-12 13:37:43
18.   Bluebleeder87
15

the guy had not played in about a week, relax man... besides he OWNS Moyer.

2008-10-12 13:39:08
19.   Who Is Karim Garcia
15

It was one at bat.
Against a very good closer.
In a high pressure situation.

Tonight he's facing Moyer, not Lidge. He's starting, not pinch hitting. And look at his career numbers and season splits and not just one at bat.

2008-10-12 13:39:31
20.   Jon Weisman
This is an unsourced report, so I offer it just to balance other unsourced reports:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/melissa_segura/10/09/dodgers.scouting/index.html?eref=T1

"White has led the last seven Dodger drafts, three of which have been ranked in the top five by Baseball America. Every Dodgers first-round pick from 2002 to '06 has made the majors, giving the team an astounding 100 percent rate of return on its first-rounders when the industry standard is around 65 percent. White's work has earned him a spot on the hot list of potential GM candidates, talk he slinks away from. An industry source indicates that it might be tough to pry him away from the Dodgers because of his loyalty to the McCourt family, which owns the team."

2008-10-12 13:41:24
21.   DBrim
18 19 - Old Nomar against Moyer, not current one. Also, look at who we benched. Loney's been our most timely hitter over the postseason, and even if it's a lefty it doesn't make much sense to me to bench him.
2008-10-12 13:48:21
22.   goofus
20 Does anyone wonder why Kim Ng and not White is interviewing for the Seattle job? Could it be that he has been told that Ned is a lame duck and he is the new GM next year?
2008-10-12 13:49:20
23.   Who Is Karim Garcia
21

I see your point, however, my initial response was geared towards your assessment that Nomar's at bat was atrocious and that he was being "rewarded" for it.

He's getting a start today because of his career numbers. Whether it be an old Nomar or new Nomar the fact is that the current Nomar is facing the current Moyer.

Loney is hot, so I think it's risky, but I do see the logic in it even if I'm not sure I agree with the move.

2008-10-12 13:54:03
24.   Bob Timmermann
I also think that Torre hopes that the Dodgers, like the Brewers, can get some quick runs against the Phillies and force them to go to their long and middle relief.

Not that the Dodgers did all that well against the middle relievers in the first two games.

2008-10-12 13:55:51
25.   Alex41592
Torre was going to start Nomar in Game 3 before Game 2 took place. Nomar had a terrible at bat but that's all it was. Also, Nomar is at home and could benefit from that. Plus, I don't trust Nomar to play third base very well. With Rollins and Victorino running Nomar would be a giant liability at third base.

I also agree that once Moyer is out of the game or the fifth inning comes Nomar will be out of the game, whichever comes last.

2008-10-12 13:58:47
26.   Bob Timmermann
Interesting fact (at least to me):
Of Josh Beckett's 93 pitches last night, Rays batters swung and missed at two of them.

That's Ericksonian.

2008-10-12 13:59:46
27.   Bluebleeder87
MLB.TV just said that D-Lowe will get the nod for game 4 monday, is this true?
2008-10-12 14:03:26
28.   Jon Weisman
22 - I can't imagine that Colletti hasn't punched his ticket to at least be able to serve out his contract.

As for Seattle, maybe they're just interested in the more experienced executive.

2008-10-12 14:03:34
29.   Jon Weisman
27 - yes
2008-10-12 14:08:02
30.   Bluebleeder87
oh man... this is my first playoff game in gawd knows how long. I'm expecting more people & louder noise that's all.
2008-10-12 14:10:29
31.   Bluebleeder87
29

I like the move (really like the move) he like Kuroda are SICK at home.

2008-10-12 14:12:20
32.   Bob Timmermann
Today will be my first NLCS game I've attended since Game 2 of the 1981 NLCS.

Is Ray Burris starting for the Phillies?

2008-10-12 14:15:09
33.   Bill Crain
28
For all our wide-ranging discussion and speculation, the truth is we really know very little about Logan White, and even less about Kim Ng, in the sense of how they would operate as top-level decision makers.

Not that I wouldn't welcome the opportunity to find out more...

2008-10-12 14:45:26
34.   Jon Weisman
NPUT
2008-10-13 15:16:48
35.   seesdifferent
it's the fifth inning at Fenway, and the Red Sox Nation is booing their heroes.

Seriously.
and Sarah Palin isn't even there.

Post a comment   (Help)

To comment, please log in.

Not a member? Register!